From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Mar 13 09:12:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31859 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2001 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2001 17:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 17:12:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2001 17:12:00 -0000 Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:11:57 -0000 Message-ID: <984503517.2872.82190.sd@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RollerCoasterTalk group. File : /Guidelines.txt Uploaded by : gburnash@bigfoot.com Description : Guidelines for the list- Please read before posting You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/Guidelines.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, gburnash@bigfoot.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 13 10:01:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 13 Mar 2001 18:01:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 67464 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2001 18:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2001 18:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 18:01:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: gburnash@bigfoot.com Received: from [10.1.10.65] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2001 18:01:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:01:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: ADM: Welcome to the list, a couple of brief notes Message-ID: <98lna8+m3jr@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1593 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 4.40.10.171 From: "George Burnash" Greetings and welcome to our new home. Just wanted to let you know about a couple of things happening. First, I'm still waiting to hear from Bob over at Thrillride on whether he has any plans for Coaster-Talk. I emailed him about a week ago, then again a couple of days ago, and haven't heard anything. So my guess is it doesn't look good for CT. I'm hoping to keep this list very similar in attitude, flavor, etc at CT. At least one of CT's moderators has told me he would be happy to do the same here, and I'm hoping for at least one more of them, so you'll see the same style of mod. Which in essence means you probably won't see them/ us, at least not in that capacity. The list is unmoderated- any member can post freely- just as CT is. I have posted some guidelines in the file section at the group site. In essence they are almost the same at Coaster-talks. I have done some revising- as much for site address as anything, and may make some other small revisions. But if you have read them over at Coaster-Talk, there won't be any surprises in them. If you haven't, then I encourage you to read them. Also on the group site is another link labeled "promote". If you have a website and you would like to help spread the news about the list, check the link out. There are a couple of different html buttons and options there that you can add to your site and help us get the word out. If you have any questions, comments, concerns, suggestions, or criticisms, please feel free to let me know. I'd love to hear from you. Keep on ridin' George From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Mar 13 13:34:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31382 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2001 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2001 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 21:34:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.94] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2001 21:34:06 -0000 Date: 13 Mar 2001 21:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <984519241.3200.77584.s3@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RollerCoasterTalk group. File : /definits.txt Uploaded by : gburnash@bigfoot.com Description : Definitions of RC jargon and commonly used terms You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/definits.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, gburnash@bigfoot.com From coastertalk@earthlink.net Tue Mar 13 20:24:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastertalk@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 04:24:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 46687 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 04:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 04:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.49) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 04:24:17 -0000 Received: from sam (evrtwa1-ar5-105-079.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.105.79]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01789 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:24:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002201c0ac3e$f9a71380$4f692304@sam> To: Subject: New List/Quazzi Intro Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:26:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Sam Kislevitz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to know who all is in on this new list. We also do not know completely if Bob from Thrill Rides is gonna shut CT down. I am happy someone took the initiative to start a new list. By the way, for any of you who don't know who I am, I am Sam Kislevitz, a student at Wilsonville High school, near Portland, Oregon. My e-mail for the past 4 years or so has been SammyBK@aol.com, but my current e-mail is sammybk@earthlink.net. A few weeks ago I created a coaster-talk only address (coastertalk@earthlink.net) I can not remember how long I have been on CT, but it has been a long while. All I remember is when I joined there were a whole bunch of Shockwave removal rumors. Sorry for babbling so long, Sam Kislevitz- Who finally dumped his AOL mail account SammyBK@earthlink.net http://members.nbci.com/SammyBK/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 13 20:38:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 04:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 43396 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 04:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 04:38:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: gburnash@bigfoot.com Received: from [10.1.10.117] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2001 04:38:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:38:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New List/Quazzi Intro Message-ID: <98msjq+hgd2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <002201c0ac3e$f9a71380$4f692304@sam> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1566 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 4.40.10.171 From: "George Burnash" There are a handful of the regulars from Coaster Talk here so far, and more coming in. It may take a few days for everyone to get caught up, but I'm hoping that almost everyone will make the transition over. And if those with websites help promote us, then we should be in good shape. I still haven't heard from Bob, even after a couple of attempts and over a week, which I take as an ominous sign. Maybe he'll change his mind later, but I'm afraid that if he does it would be to late. But the good new for us. As I write this we already have 24 people signed on to the list- and it hasn't even been 24 hours since I set it up. So if that keeps up, we'll be doing great. And that doesn't include a couple who said they are on the way and I haven't seen arrive yet. Keep on ridin' George --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "Sam Kislevitz" wrote: > I just wanted to know who all is in on this new list. We also do not know completely if Bob from Thrill Rides is gonna shut CT down. I am happy someone took the initiative to start a new list. By the way, for any of you who don't know who I am, I am Sam Kislevitz, a student at Wilsonville High school, near Portland, Oregon. My e-mail for the past 4 years or so has been SammyBK@a..., but my current e-mail is sammybk@e... A few weeks ago I created a coaster-talk only address (coastertalk@e...) I can not remember how long I have been on CT, but it has been a long while. All I remember is when I joined there were a whole bunch of Shockwave removal rumors. From Xcoaster@juno.com Tue Mar 13 20:47:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 04:47:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 97191 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 04:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 04:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 05:48:58 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWq23aASNd9otIPeW5ToglN9VWDZiGinMHA=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYGELM8V; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:47:52 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:39:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New List/Quazzi Intro Message-ID: <20010313.204000.-3752509.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 10-11,14,17-18,20-49,51-61 From: Xcoaster@juno.com I'm here. I haven't said much on CT lately and I changed my E-mail address a while ago but I'm here. I'm Ryan S. and I live near San Diego and I guess my home park is KBF since I go there the most and like it quite a bit. My closest is Belmont Park even though I have a park about one mile away that's been closed down for a few years. I've been on CT for around a year. My coaster count is still relatively low at only 24 and I still haven't been to quite a few of the parks in my general area (Lego Land, DCA, or many in Northern California but I hope to get out this year). I haven't talked about myself much on any lists lately so I had to get that out. I'm also glad someone started up a list for some of the people from CT. Well, that's it. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:26:43 -0800 "Sam Kislevitz" writes: > I just wanted to know who all is in on this new list. We also do > not know completely if Bob from Thrill Rides is gonna shut CT down. > I am happy someone took the initiative to start a new list. By the > way, for any of you who don't know who I am, I am Sam Kislevitz, a > student at Wilsonville High school, near Portland, Oregon. My > e-mail for the past 4 years or so has been SammyBK@aol.com, but my > current e-mail is sammybk@earthlink.net. A few weeks ago I created > a coaster-talk only address (coastertalk@earthlink.net) I can not > remember how long I have been on CT, but it has been a long while. > All I remember is when I joined there were a whole bunch of > Shockwave removal rumors. > > Sorry for babbling so long, > Sam Kislevitz- > Who finally dumped his AOL mail account > > SammyBK@earthlink.net > http://members.nbci.com/SammyBK/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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From SambPhil@aol.com Tue Mar 13 20:56:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: SambPhil@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 04:56:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 15281 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 04:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 04:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 04:56:01 -0000 Received: from SambPhil@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.38.134c3b1c (18411) for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:55:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38.134c3b1c.27e053ce@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:55:42 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] New List/Quazzi Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10506 From: SambPhil@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I am Sam and I moved here from the CT list. My home park is SFMM, and I can't wait to ride the X! My favorite ride is the Giant Dipper though. I coast simply for the thrill, and there is nothing better than the first ride. Hope to see you all in Sunny Socal. Adios. -I do not like green eggs and ham, I do not like them SAM I AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Pavlojr@aol.com Tue Mar 13 21:11:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pavlojr@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 05:11:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29442 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 05:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 05:11:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 05:11:04 -0000 Received: from Pavlojr@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.69.126fb61e (18411) for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:10:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <69.126fb61e.27e0575e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:10:54 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New List/Quazzi Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Pavlojr@aol.com Hi all im john and i live in las vegas i am one of those who came from coaster-talk i guess my home park for vegas is the Grand Slam Canyon "Adventuredome" which features the worlds largest indoor double loop double corkscrew double helix rollercoaster it reaches speeds of 65 mph pulls 3.5 G's and lifts up to a height of 9 stories. one of arrow dynamics smoothest rides ever built the technicians keep the temperature in the dome in a cool setting so there is no warping on the track one of the best coasters in my book. well i hope to see more on the list and ill post some things on vegas and anything else i hear about in the coaster world john who loves coasters From Mrkwilson@aol.com Tue Mar 13 22:25:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 06:25:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 68220 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 06:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 06:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 06:25:10 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.69.126cd2f4 (3943) for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:25:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <69.126cd2f4.27e068be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:25:02 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New List/Quazzi Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for babbling so long, Sam Kislevitz- Sorry for the triviality of this post... but I just want to say that it feels great to be posting again! Mark Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Tue Mar 13 22:47:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 06:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 710 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 06:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 06:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 06:47:23 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.68.cd3156b (3943) for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:47:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <68.cd3156b.27e06df7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:47:19 EST Subject: INTRO: Mr. K Wilson To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey! My name is Mark Wilson (or Mr. K). I signed up immediately when I saw that this was opening. I am also one of the proud transfers from Coaster Talk *tear*. For anyone who cares, I am fourteen years old and from the boring state of Arizona. My homepark is a greasy, dirty, foul smelling lot called Castles and Coasters- home of the famous looping coaster with lapbars Desert Storm. My all time favorite coaster is by far Millennium Force and my favorite non-coaster ride is Dive Devil at SFMM. I am also a level two (out of three) snowboarder and a bad skater. If you ever just wanna chat about coasters on AOL or AIM you know my screen name. I am known for making a few no brainer posts so if your willing to tolerate me I appreciate it. Once again, it really feels great to be posting again! I am really looking forward to the future of this list and I want to personally thank George Burnash (sorry if I spelled it wrong) for stepping up and making this list. Also thanks to all the mods for giving up their spare time! Mrkwilson "Mr. K Wilson" "Nobody snuggles with Max Power; you strap yourself in and FEEL THE G's!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Mar 14 13:27:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 21:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 43390 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 21:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 21:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 22:28:59 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp120.effingham.net [12.34.177.120]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:37:21 -0600 Message-ID: <006401c0accd$e8992e40$78b1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: intro: (from another C-T refugee) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:29:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang: Just a quick email to introduce (or re-introduce) myself, since I am another C-T refugee. My name is Jon Zerkel. I am 32 years old, single, and live in central Illinois. I consider myself to have 2 "home parks".....Six Flags-St. Louis, and Holiday World. (I live about half-way between those 2 parks!) My coaster count isn't up there with some of those on this list...at last count, I was at 43 coasters, but as far as I'm concerned, that really isn't important, anyway. I think this list should be open to anyone and everyone who loves to ride roller coasters...regardless of how many they have ridden. (This is how the list has been handled in the past, and I hope that that continues.) For those of you on this list who live on the west coast, you ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY MUST tell me at once when X opens at SFMM!! (I know that some on this list have been bashing the ride already...but I think that's really unfair.) To me, it looks like an absolutely incredible ride, and something that I just cannot wait to try out!! I would also like to send out thanks, kudos AND props to George Burnash for starting up the new list. Thanks, George!! I'm very glad someone with more "internet savvy" than what I have took the initiative to give our little rat pack group a new chance at life! See you in line....keep on ridin'....and hands up!! --Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Mar 14 13:54:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 21:54:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 70227 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 21:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 21:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 21:53:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: gburnash@bigfoot.com Received: from [10.1.10.94] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2001 21:53:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:53:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: INTRO: since I haven't done mine yet... Message-ID: <98op8g+g55r@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1365 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 4.40.10.171 From: "George Burnash" Guess I better post up one of these since everyone else is. I'm George Burnash, 31, married with 2 kids, and currently living in Oxnard, CA, about 45 minutes away from SFMM- at least for the next few months. I've been part of coaster talk for at least a year and half, I think longer, but don't remember for sure. Brain is getting fuzzy from to many coasters I guess (no it's not the age, it's not it's not it's not!!) My coaster count is around the 40 mark (not great), but I'm hoping that by the time we move I have that in the 50-60 range. Since I've joined the list, I have learned a ton about coasters, physics, theme parks, and other stuff. And had a great time doing it. Since I still haven't heard from Bob over at Thrillride, and just couldn't bear to see CT die, and since so many were encouraging about it, I went ahead and set up another place for us to meet. And right now, in less than 2 days, we already have 35 of us here. And more coming! Thanks to everywho who has been giving me props for the new list to, but I don't deserve it. I didn't do anything that I don't think anyone else would have done. And it is you guys that make the list, not me. Thank YOU for coming along for the ride and keep up the great posting. It's your posts that made/ will make the list a great place to be! Keep on ridin' George From squillace@icst.com Wed Mar 14 14:36:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: squillace@icst.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 22:36:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 253 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 22:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 22:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 22:36:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: squillace@icst.com Received: from [10.1.2.208] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2001 22:36:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:36:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Intro: Charlene Message-ID: <98orq1+bhul@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 12.33.3.34 From: squillace@icst.com Hi Everyone, My name is Charlene and I'm 28(will be 29 next month) and had been on Coaster Talk since sometime in 97 I think. I didn't post much, and recently haven't been able to post at all from work. I just liked to read the posts and learn. My home parks would be Six Flags Great Adventure, Hershey Park and Dorney Park since I am about the same distance from all three. My boyfriend and I are getting season passes to Six Flags for the first time this year. My coaster count is about 45 or so (give or take). This summer we are taking a trip to Virginia and will be visiting Busch Gardens(haven't been there since '92), PKD(haven't been there since '96) and Six Flags America on the way home(my 1st trip there). I will hit Hershey Park sometime this summer and will get a free visit to Dorney as my company has our picnic there. One interesting note, I was in Germany for Oktoberfest this last year and got to ride the Olympia Looping coaster. It was an amazing ride and even more amazing that it is portable. Charlene From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Mar 14 14:45:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 22:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 20794 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 22:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 22:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 22:45:03 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15510 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:45:02 -0600 Message-Id: <200103142245.QAA15510@buzzneon.com> Subject: Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:45:02 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver Ok, I'll jump on this bandwagon too! I'm Cameron Silver (28), in Chicago - which makes my home park Six Flags Great America. I have no idea what my count is, but I'll guess around 50. I used to work at Williams Electronic Games designing/programming pinball machines, but I just started working at Cisco Systems. I've been a coaster geek for 3 years (started in May 1998), and on coaster talk for about 18 months. I grew up in Melbourne, Australia, and moved to Chicago in October 95. There is a small sea-side amusment park in Melbourne called Luna Park, you can see pictures at: http://www.buzzneon.com/melbourne/luna_park/ I also have some Knott's pictures at: http://www.buzzneon.com/knotts I will be attending my third Stark Reven Mad this year, along with my brother who will be visiting from Melbourne, (he is currently not in to coasters, but I'm about to change all that!!), and several more friends from this area. Well, I guess that's it for me... Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From cobra1562@hotmail.com Wed Mar 14 14:58:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cobra1562@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 14 Mar 2001 22:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 39811 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 22:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2001 22:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.63) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 22:58:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:58:28 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.14.43.154] To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: intro Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:02:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2001 22:58:28.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[48726B40:01C0ACDA] From: "J B" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang, I have been a lurker on C-T for more than a year now. I haven't posted all that much, but I have really enjoyed all of the conversations that went on there. I am 24 years old and recently married. I am from Lexington, KY. My home park is PKI as far as I'm concerned. SFKK is closer, but doesn't have as much that interests me. My wife loves riding coasters but she isn't an enthusiast (I'm workin' on her though!)) As a matter of fact my first date with my wife was at KennyKon last year. My coaster count totals 64. I rode all 64 last year! All the way from Vancouver, British Columbia to Pennsylvania. What a great year it was. Anyway, I hope to have many great conversations with all of you, learn from you and...heck maybe even teach someone a thing or 2. Jason [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tangerineimac@hotmail.com Wed Mar 14 16:05:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tangerineimac@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 00:05:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28492 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 00:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 00:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.9.25) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 00:05:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:05:51 -0800 Received: from 208.10.215.161 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:05:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.10.215.161] To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: INTRO: ME!:-) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:05:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 00:05:51.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2743DD0:01C0ACE3] From: "Alec Goins" Hello All~ I was on coaster-talk for about a year.  I was really sad when I saw that coaster-talk was coming to and end!  I was really happy when I saw other members were creating a new list.  I am probally one of the youngest members of coaster-talk, I am only a 13year old boy!!!  I live in Indiana.  My home park is Paramount's Island.  The closest park to me is SFKK m I also visit Holiday World a few times during the year.  Well, I hope this list will be just as intersting as the old one!!! ************************************************************ Alec Goins tangerineimac@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Mar 14 18:50:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 02:50:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 85787 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 02:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 02:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 02:50:21 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp71.effingham.net [12.34.177.71]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:59:48 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c0acfa$f55ba7c0$47b1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: News: Cornball Express to open at Indiana Beach Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:23:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: I thought you all might enjoy this tidbit. (I learned about it from the latest issue of ACE news.) "Get set for the Cornball Express....as of this writing Indiana Beach's second wooden coaster is the sole American entry for 2001 model year woodies. The Cornball Express, like its larger neighbor, The Hoosier Hurricane, is a project of Custom Coasters International. Like the older HH, the Cornball Express will be of steel structure, with wooden track on top." "The ride begins in a station placed alongside the Hoosier's lift, facing the same direction and just to the lift's right---the Cornball trains do a U-turn left and climb their own lift next to, but opposing the Hoosier's lift. The Cornball's first drop turns left and drops OVER the base of the HH lift, bottoming out near the flume drop and starting a wide circular path which leads the new woodie within a few feet of the Tig'rr--(a steel Jet Star coaster which is built on the roof of a restaurant.) The Cornball train drops deep to the lake's surface, then turns within the circle, twisting and dipping above rides in Kiddieland below....ending in a tight helix before the brakes." I had a few thoughts after reading the article... #1) I know that Indiana Beach's motto is "There's more than corn in Indiana".....but couldn't they come up with a better name than Cornball Express?!? #2) Anyone who thinks "Such and such a park doesn't have any room for expansion" needs to think again. With careful planning and ingenious desings, a coaster can be squeezed in almost anyplace! ACE news had 2 drawings of this coaster....one drawing showed just the Cornball layout, while the other drawing showed both the CE and the Hoosier Hurricane, and how they are "intertwined" at the beginning of both rides. Looks like a nice, little coaster to me....reminiscent of the Raven at Holiday World! Hope you enjoyed it.... --Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From asandy@depauw.edu Wed Mar 14 19:12:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 03:12:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 17603 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 03:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 03:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad2.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.212) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 04:13:50 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K17B1FDNEO99HPGP@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:11:45 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K17B1F7GLC9AQ6UY@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:11:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:11:20 -0500 Subject: Re: News: Cornball Express to open at Indiana Beach To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: Daddy Fat $acks Message-id: <000701c0acfd$9b9dfe60$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000401c0acfa$f55ba7c0$47b1220c@lorenzer> From: Daddy Fat $acks There is a lot of info @ Custom Coasters.com. I had the privilege of seeing construction during early Feb...what can I say, it looks like another CCI winner (and only a few hours away!). Adam, who will be at IB opening day *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org Thu Mar 15 05:31:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 13:31:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 35475 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 13:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 13:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns-crcs.crcs.wnyric.org) (168.169.174.83) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 13:31:05 -0000 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Intro Chris Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:28:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ns-crcs/Servers/CubaRushford/Erie1(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 03/15/2001 08:28:25 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org I may as well jump on board, too. My name is Chris and I live about an hour and a half south of Buffalo, NY. I guess my home park is SFDL, but my top choice right now is SFWOA. I haven't taken a good coaster count, but I worked a summer at PKI as an operator on Racer, and it was great. I teach high school physics and always look forward to Physics day. We went to SFDL last year, were disappointed at the program, and are giving SFWOA a try this spring. Chris Filkins CRCS Chemistry/Physics Yearbook Advisor From lance@screamscape.com Thu Mar 15 07:53:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 15:53:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 87932 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 15:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 15:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 15:53:05 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA85839 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:53:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id QKM0wOS2 Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:53:03 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c0ad67$f79be640$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: I'm Back... with a little news Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:52:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" Hello everyone, Just a quick intro and a message to keep the new message board up and running. Name: Lance Hart Website - http://www.screamscape.com Function - Theme Park News & Rumor Publication The site is a few days late in it's updates, but the latest news bit out today is that the proposed Wonderful World of OZ theme park in Kansas is being put to the final vote today. Last November the council members voting on the project deadlocked 2-2 with 1 not voting due to personal interest. However one of the Anti-Oz members was voted out of office, mainly due to her stance on Oz from what I'm told. Her replacement pitched a Pro-Oz campaign when running for office, but has yet to comment on the project since being sworn into office. We'll see how this all turns out later today I hope since the plans for this proposed park project look fantastic. From jynx31401@yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 07:54:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jynx31401@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 15:54:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 5573 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 15:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 15:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13207.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.192) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 15:54:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010315155435.32025.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.46.3.42] by web13207.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:54:35 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:54:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Intro: from another CT orphan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David McCollum Hello all, my name is David McCollum. I currently reside in Savannah, GA. I am 29 years old (I'll be 30 next month). I grew up in Atlanta, so my home park is SFoG. My current coaster count is about 50ish. I have been reading (only occasionally posting) to CT for about a year now. Although last year with my move to Savannah and a new job, I did not get to go to many parks, I expect that to change this summer. I have plans to go to Virginia and visit BGW and PKD. I will let you know how it goes. Happy St. Patrick's day to all David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From mike_ska@yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 11:34:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 19:34:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 87248 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 19:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 19:34:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010315193417.22415.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.210.241.103] by web4902.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:34:17 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:34:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] INTRO: Mike Cowan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <98op8g+g55r@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan Hey, My name is Mike Cowan and i'm a 16 soon to be 17 year old high school junior. I have strong aspirations towards the engineering feild. I've been on coaster talk for around 10 months(i signed up about two days after my trip to CP). My coaster count is around 61 and hopefully i will hit 80 this year. I have also just started a coaster web site (how many of us havent) it's at www.angelfire.com/punk2/rollerCOAStERs.html As of right know its just skin and bones, but oveer the next week or two it will be alot better. Thanks for the new list. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Mar 15 12:09:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 20:09:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 67112 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 20:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 20:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 20:09:35 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id OAA72520952 Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:02:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB1224E.6679315F@gte.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:13:02 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: QUESTION: Anyone know of any coaster parks in Costa Rica or Colombia? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Yes you read that right. I'm wondering if anyone knows of any coaster or ride parks in the countries of Costa Rica or Colombia. If you haven't gathered yet from my posts this year, we're hoping/planning on moving to San Jose, Costa Rica at the end of the summer and will be there for a year, then moving on to Bogota, Colombia after that. I'm wondering how much coaster withdrawal I'm in for. So anyone know if there is anything out there for me? BTW, don't worry, I'll still have net access in both places and have no intentions of leaving the list! keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From STINO999@aol.com Thu Mar 15 12:35:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 20:35:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27837 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 20:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 20:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 20:35:29 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.dc.3b10f0b (16342) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:35:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:35:12 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Intro Chris To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thats great [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From STINO999@aol.com Thu Mar 15 12:38:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 20:38:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 34361 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 20:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 20:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 21:39:17 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.50.12c7278b (16342) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:37:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50.12c7278b.27e28216@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:37:42 EST Subject: Hey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi I just want to test if i can post on this board because I couldn't on Coaster TAlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From asandy@depauw.edu Thu Mar 15 14:02:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 22:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 26546 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 22:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 22:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad2.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.212) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 22:02:34 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K18EHSTZOG9AQFCF@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:01:31 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K18EHS5BIU9AQ7L9@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:01:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:00:35 -0500 Subject: MISC: Re-Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: Daddy Fat $acks Message-id: <002701c0ad9b$5d327d60$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20010315155435.32025.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com> From: Daddy Fat $acks I guess since some of us are re-introducing ourselves...I am Adam Sandy, from St. Louis but attending my senior year at DePauw University (middle of the cornfield that is Indiana). The closest parks to me are HW-3 hours, PKI-2.5 hours, Indiana Beach-2 hours and SFKK-2.5 hours. I tilt more towards traditional parks, but enjoy spending a day at most any park as long as the employees and other guests are courteous. I kind of break the mold in that a am just as a happy spending time at parks or on rides that most people my age think are dull (ex: one park at the top of my to-do list is Bushkill). My count is at 88 and my first major coaster was the Screamin' Eagle @ SFStL. My favorite wooden coaster is the Legend (Holiday World, IN) with others being: Boulderdash-Lake Compounce (CT), The Giant Dipper-Santa Cruz Beach and Boardwalk (CA), The Cyclone-Astroland (NY), The Raven-Holiday World (IN) and the Phoenix-Knoebels (PA). My favorite steel is S:ROS @ SFNE. Some other favorites are: Kumba-Busch Gardens Tampa (FL), The Big Bad Wolf-Busch Gardens Williamsburg (VA), Steel Force-Dorney Park (PA), Laser-Dorney Park (PA), Millennium Force-Cedar Point (OH). My favorite non-coaster stuff is: Flying Skooters- 10-car version: Knoebels, 8-car version: Whalom Park. Runner-up (10): Paramount's Kings Island. Dark Ride- The Haunted House: Knoebels. Bumper Cars- Skooters: Knoebels Park. Whip- Whalom Park. Runner-up: Rye Playland. Derby Racer- Cedar Downs at Cedar Point & The Derby Racer at Rye Playland. Aside from coasters I am an American history major (focusing especially on 20th cent. popular culture, the Civil Rights movement and turn of the century classes distinctions and recreation) and German minor. I also love music, movies and I guess I am what you would call a "bleeding heart" liberal. Like a lot of people I have a website (located in sig) dedicated to the preservation of memories and great rides. I figured, do what you know and love, and coaster history brings my two fascinations together. Hopefully I will be leaving NBCi.com soon, since it is the worst free server I have had (my page is down more than up). In an extension of my history/amusement park loves for classes I have written papers on Coney Island & Riverview during the 1960's, a historiography of Coney and my 68 page senior thesis on the evolution of the theme park looking at Holiday World, Knott's, Disneyland, POP, Pleasure Island and Freedomland USA. Sorry to ramble on so long, Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Mar 15 14:02:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 22:02:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 46928 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 22:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 22:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.26) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 23:03:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010315220245.599.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:02:45 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:02:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]INTRO: former CTer To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c0ad67$f79be640$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris Well I'm, Jeremy Norris, a 24 (25 next month) rocket scientist currently residing in the DC area. My home park is SFA, though I am going to adopt PKD as a home this year as well. I post somewhat frequently, but really only when I want to start a fight with Nate K or Chris K. I'm not really an enthusiast in the classical sense. I prefer large theme parks to small traditional parks, I never get to the parks when they open and I have only been to one 'enthusiast' event. Some of that may change this year as I'm planning on going to the opening days for PKD, SFGAdv, and SFWoA. And I also am going to try and make the SRM event @ HW and Timbers Fest @ Michigan's Adventure. I'm sure sooner or later I will run into some of you in line. lata, jeremy P.S. Lance, I still cant see the 'screamscape' site without using the "Enable Style Sheets" trick from work. I am using Netscape Communicator 4.7 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jrushi5@lsu.edu Thu Mar 15 14:43:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 22:43:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 51311 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 22:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 22:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.77.251) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 22:43:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk]INTRO: former CTer Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:43:52 -0600 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 03/15/2001 04:43:51 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" Hi, im Joshua Rushing, 18 years old and seems like the only rollercoaster enthusiast in louisiana. I was on the former coaster talk list. I hate to see it go, I learned a tremendous amount of things from all of the postings. I wasnt a very active on coastertalk when it came to posting messages but i slowly got more invovled. Im glad we have a new list so we can keep everything going. Always coasting, Joshua R. From STINO999@aol.com Thu Mar 15 15:02:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 15 Mar 2001 23:02:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 77132 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2001 23:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2001 23:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 23:02:41 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f9.824afa0 (3871) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:02:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:02:31 EST Subject: SFGA: Nitro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all the hype on other coasters I still think Nitro is going to be huge. What does everyone think about this coaster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameronbw@aol.com Thu Mar 15 16:03:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 00:03:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 36899 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 00:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 00:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 00:03:12 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.ff.3b57b60 (3966) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:03:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:03:07 EST Subject: reintroduction To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com Hi I'm from C-T (R.I.P.). My name is Cameron Willis I'm an active member of the late Coaster Talk. I'm 11 years old and live in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. I have a coaster count of 59 and my home park(s) are Camp Snoopy and Valleyfair. You most likely know me by now Cameron ( Adam Sandy, I like your new screen name Daddy Fat $acks ;)) From cameronbw@aol.com Thu Mar 15 16:27:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 00:27:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71947 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 00:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 00:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 00:27:19 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.84.12ccb2a0 (3966) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:26:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <84.12ccb2a0.27e2b7cf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:26:55 EST Subject: My C.P. Disscussion group To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com I now have a CP talk group please come join. It is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk Come check it Cameron From crewie@voyager.net Thu Mar 15 18:55:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: crewie@voyager.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 02:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 86085 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.mx.voyager.net) (216.93.66.200) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 02:55:00 -0000 Received: from pbeegle (d73.as1.jcsn.mi.voyager.net [216.93.120.202]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f2G2iBN05592 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:44:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001c01c0adc1$a5b0e1a0$ca785dd8@pbeegle> To: References: <20010315193417.22415.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: INTRO: Teresa Beegle Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:34:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Teresa" Hi, I'm Teresa Beegle, from Michigan. I'm going to be 17 in April. When I get out of this place, I'm going into Theater Production with a minor in Computer Programming. My home park is Cedar Point. My coaster count is around 35 (I'm a rookie). Anywho, I'll see you all on the list. Keep on coasting! ~Teresa From lance@screamscape.com Thu Mar 15 19:24:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 03:24:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 62434 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 03:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 03:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 03:24:27 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA81259 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:17:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id V8L01DR2 Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:17:33 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <001201c0adbf$34f368e0$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20010315220245.599.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]INTRO: former CTer Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:17:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" > P.S. Lance, I still cant see the 'screamscape' site > without using the "Enable Style Sheets" trick from > work. I am using Netscape Communicator 4.7 Changes were made in the last 24 hours... clear out you cache and try it again. So far it's had 100% success... From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Mar 15 20:52:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 04:52:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64918 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 04:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 04:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 05:53:42 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA73432395 Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:45:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB19CE9.B24F1F9E@gte.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:56:09 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: ADM: Welcome the moderators! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hey everyone. I've had several people asking me about this, and while I wanted to wait a few more days til everyone from Coaster Talk had made their way over, I figure that I better go ahead and make the announcements now to save confusion later. We do have moderators already for RollerCoasterTalk. One of them has not signed on yet, but will be, and you should recognize him immediately since he was also the active moderator on Coaster Talk: Josh aka MxPx2@aol.com I want to personally thank him for carrying over his responsibilities to the new list. Joining him will be a guy that did a lot of moderating on CT without ever being official, but who was agreed on by a select committee that he was the right guy for the job, and that's Nate K. Both are highly respected, active contributors to the list, and I'm sure that they will continue to do a great job. As for me, while I might be the "owner" in name, I'm not going to pretend that I'm a moderator. I'm going to leave that to Josh and Nate and stay out of their way while they run the show. Meaning you probably won't see moderators in action unless things get way out of hand. You guys have been the life of the list, and the ones that keep it running, and leaving the mods not much to do. Let's keep that up! And if you get a chance, let Josh and Nate know that they have your support! Thanks again. Keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From PatCookY2K@juno.com Thu Mar 15 21:08:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: patcooky2k@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 05:08:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 99715 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 05:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 05:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m27.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.90) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 06:09:55 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ZNburrZH6QUt59vfJlG0iU55EACTedQ5dYCV2oqoRRO1Zwi1flxzAw=="> Received: (from patcooky2k@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYMLKYY6; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:08:34 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:07:35 -0800 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <20010316.000737.-3786407.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,9-10,19-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: PatCookY2K@juno.com Hello everyone. I'm Patrick. I was on Coaster-Talk and at his point signed up for this and Coaster-talk Digest. All this talk of it disappearing is weird because i just received todays Digest. By the way, would I have to unsubscribe from that if and when it does or will it just fade out? My home park is Hersheypark and I ride Coasters every weekend. my current count on my Favorite Coaster, great Bear, is 555. The Lightning Racer is number 2 and after 1 year, I rode it 100 times. i'm going to try to break another 100 times on each of them this year. I signed up for the individual E-Mails on this list mainly because I don't use this address for anything anymore but Roller Coaster stuff, but I do check mail frequently on it. If anyone has any questions about Hersheypark or would like to meet there sometime this summer, E-mail me and we'll arrange a date and time to go. I just got my season pass today. I do travel also to SFGADV in Jersey, SF America near Virginia, Dorney Park and make at least one trip a year to Cedar Point. How about that Millennium Force, huh? Looking forward to chatting and sharing stories. Catch you all later! Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Mar 15 22:50:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 06:50:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 48063 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 06:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 06:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 06:50:21 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id AAA123993298 Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:45:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB1B883.5D2B4343@gte.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:53:55 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction References: <20010316.000737.-3786407.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hey Patrick, Welcome to Coaster Talk in it's new form! PatCookY2K@juno.com wrote: > Hello everyone. I'm Patrick. I was on Coaster-Talk and at his point > signed up for this and Coaster-talk Digest. All this talk of it > disappearing is weird because i just received todays Digest. By the way, > would I have to unsubscribe from that if and when it does or will it just > fade out? Sorry you missed out on the original list, but I'm happy you got the new info. Coaster-Talk was sold, along with it's parent site World of Coasters- to Thrillride.com and is being shut down as part of the transfer. In fact I think it's already done as the last message I sent came bouncing back to me. So no,you shouldn't have to unsubscribe. It's fading out on it's own into the sunset. > > I signed up for the individual E-Mails on this list mainly because I > don't use this address for anything anymore but Roller Coaster stuff, but > I do check mail frequently on it. Looking forward to chatting and sharing > stories. > Catch you all later! Wonderful. I do want to warn you though, when the season gets going, this list will take off in a hurry. I had days last year where I was pushing 50 emails a day from the list. I don't know if we will be that busy, and that was rare anyways. But it won't be unusual to have 20 or more a day from the list. So be prepared. If that is to much for you, we can always switch you back to the digest. Once again, welcome to the list. Enjoy the ride! Keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 16 04:38:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 12:38:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 50809 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 12:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 12:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 13:39:55 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.ca.1235bf60 (14376) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:38:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:38:44 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ADM: Welcome the moderators! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Are Roller Coaster Talk posts "moderated" before they are sent, or can the moderators just kick people off after? I really hope it's more like hte second one (which is like the original CT), because we get more freedom. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 16 04:39:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 12:39:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 52671 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 12:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 12:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 12:39:55 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.54.11638660 (14376) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:39:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54.11638660.27e36391@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:39:45 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ADM: Welcome the moderators! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Is Chris K on RCT yet? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 16 08:40:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 16:40:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26084 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 16:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 16:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 16:40:45 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id KAA65432664 Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:34:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB242E3.843418E6@gte.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:44:20 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ADM: Welcome the moderators! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash CPMForce@aol.com wrote: > Are Roller Coaster Talk posts "moderated" before they are sent, or can the > moderators just kick people off after? I really hope it's more like hte > second one (which is like the original CT), because we get more freedom. Posts are not moderated or "approved" before they hit the list. The list operates pretty much the same way as CT did. Your posts go directly to the list, and then if there is a problem the mods will deal with it afterwards. But I'm sure there won't be any problems cause you are all so cool! :-) And no, I haven't seen Chris K yet. If there is someone that you haven't seen yet, or don't see in the member's list on the website, please send them an email. Or if you have their email address, send it along to me also so I can put them on the list (with their approval of course) Keep on ridin' George ________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From asandy@depauw.edu Fri Mar 16 09:11:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 17:11:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27021 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 17:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 17:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 18:12:38 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K19IMY93B499HXMJ@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:10:43 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K19IMXVTM49AQZ9Z@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:10:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:10:24 -0500 Subject: QUES: Miracle Strip To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: Adam Sandy Message-id: <000901c0ae3b$fd9e7e20$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Adam Sandy Ahhh, spring break is not far away and it looks like my first coaster of the year will be the Starliner @ Miracle Strip (if things work out right). I cannot wait for this park, as it looks really nice (despite being in Panama City) and I love Allen's coasters. I was wondering, has anyone heard about the new S&S ride at the park? I saw on CNN that they sold their Matterhorn (and obviously paid more) for an S&S ride (probably a Double Shot) at IAAPA. Has anyone heard exactly what type of ride it will be and when it will be operating? I hope to hit MS and planet bungee next door...we will see if I can get up the courage to do their skyscraper. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From lets_go_caps@hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 10:04:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lets_go_caps@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 18:04:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 57927 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 18:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 18:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.127) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 18:04:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:04:53 -0800 Received: from 166.94.47.60 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:04:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.94.47.60] To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: INTRO: former CTer Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:04:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 18:04:53.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[99E11200:01C0AE43] From: "Greg Mumma" >Some of that may change this year as I'm planning on >going to the opening days for PKD, SFGAdv, and SFWoA. Jeremy - I assume this means that you're going to be at PKD next weekend. Are you going on Sunday, too, or only Saturday? A friend and I were contemplating whether to go to PKD or BGW, since they both open next weekend, but we can only go on Sunday. If you will be there Sunday, then we'll go there so maybe we can hook up with you. Anybody else going to be in the VA area for opening weekend? Greg Mumma Coaster Fanatic from Arlington, VA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From kevinrick@juno.com Fri Mar 16 10:36:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevinrick@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 18:36:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 12323 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 18:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 18:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m5.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.68) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 19:37:09 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"5raB9qz3ZrDKVfYaZ5V9FvS7qhtbyOoxu7FB21MqYIZKBkpbsKtyPw=="> Received: (from kevinrick@juno.com) by m5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYN2EYMZ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:29:44 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:28:39 -0500 Subject: INTRO: Kevin Rickens Message-ID: <20010316.132841.-926265.0.kevinrick@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,9-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Kevin M Rickens Hey all, I'm Kevin from Virginia. As with many others, I'm a CT refugee. I'm 19 and I'm a ride OP at PKD. My home park is BGW. I consider BGW my home park because I consider PKD my HOME all summer. My coaster count is around 55. By the way, can someone help me out with getting myself onto the digest? I guess I thought that's what I signed up for but, it's painfully apparent that I didn't since my mailbox is helaciously full. Anyway, I will see you all on the list. Keep on coasting and I'll see you in the park. Kevin ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From cameronbw@aol.com Fri Mar 16 11:50:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 19:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 21635 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 19:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 19:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 19:50:35 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.36.13078ca2 (3972) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:50:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36.13078ca2.27e3c870@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:50:08 EST Subject: Cedar Point Talk is now Coaster Park Talk To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com Hi I wanted to inform Roller Coaster Talk that to appeal to more members I needed a bigger span of topics. I decided to make my group for ALL coaster parks including CP and MANY more. You can visit and subscribe at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk Thank you for your time, Cameron Willis Chief Moderator and Owner of Coaster Park Talk. Cameronbw@aol.com From chillerjen@yahoo.com Fri Mar 16 13:14:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chillerjen@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 21:14:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 16907 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 21:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 21:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web9204.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.129.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 21:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010316211428.11477.qmail@web9204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.236.40] by web9204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:14:28 PST Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:14:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jennifer Maher Hi all, I'm Jennifer and I live in Orlando. However, up until Oct.2000 I lived in Rochester, Ny, near SFDL, and my absolute favorite coaster, SROS. I REALLY miss Superman, but I love living in Orlando. I was on CT for about a year, but never really said very much. But I loved reading all the posts, and I learned a lot from everyone. I now work in the Magic Kingdom, in Fantasyland attractions. I work on small world, peter pan, the ledgend of the Lion King, and the carousel. Yeah, they're not the best rides, but it's fun, although fantasyland gets crazy sometimes. I really wish some park in central FL would build a hyper. Preferably an Intamin! Thanks for readin', Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From cameronbw@aol.com Fri Mar 16 14:53:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 22:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2249 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 22:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 22:53:21 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.bd.c8fe94d (15869) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:53:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:53:14 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Intro To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: cameronbw@aol.com I now work in the Magic Kingdom, in Fantasyland attractions. I work on small world, OOOOOHHHHHHHHH THE HORROR do you brink earplugs to work? Cameron Willis http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk/message/21 From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 16 15:41:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 23:41:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 36794 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 23:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 23:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 23:41:15 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31999 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:41:14 -0600 Message-Id: <200103162341.RAA31999@buzzneon.com> Subject: Just 50 days to go.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:41:14 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver Until Six Flags Great America opens! Although, looking out the window (dark, wind, snow), it seems much longer than that.. It's amazing how long the 6 month off season seems, and how short the six month coaster season seems! Freaking time! Ok, I'll stop now ;-) -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 16 15:41:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 23:41:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 38165 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 23:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 23:41:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 00:43:01 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.96.11724f72 (17082) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:41:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <96.11724f72.27e3feb9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:41:45 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com For those of you who have been on both: Which is better: Superman: Ride of Steel or Millenium Force -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 16 15:56:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 16 Mar 2001 23:56:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 39731 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2001 23:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2001 23:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2001 23:56:00 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.82.83af470 (17082) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:55:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.83af470.27e401dd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:55:09 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] My favorite park To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Jennifer: Out of curiosity, (and not to annoy Josh, if he's here yet), I have heard that the tradition of each Disney employee getting all of those tests, HAVING MONTHS OF TRAINING, and needing to look a particular way, etc. are gone and being replaced with much less personal care. That's really very sad, because people, and the other parks would look up to Disney for having the care that no one else quite had. How much training did you go through? What tests did you take? What kind of interview did you get? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) P.S. What does it look like backstage? Have you heard of all of the infamous Disney cast-member "pranks"? Are they nice to you? As you can see, I'm a Disney fan and always wanted to work there... :-) From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 16 16:02:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 00:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 72360 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 00:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 00:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 01:03:06 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32141 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:02:01 -0600 Message-Id: <200103170002.SAA32141@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] My favorite park To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:02:01 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <82.83af470.27e401dd@aol.com> from "CPMForce@aol.com" at Mar 16, 2001 06:55:09 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > P.S. What does it look like backstage? I was at Disney World late in 99 (just after Thanksgiving .. had the place to ourselves!) .. We did a 'Behind The Scene's' tour at Magic Kingdom that was excellent .. We were taken backstage, into the costume and employee buildings etc. We even saw the 'tunnels' under the park, trash system, music computer, drainage area for Splash Water Falls etc. I would have taken pictures, but they claimed to remove and destory film from any camera seen during the tour (even if you aren't taking photos!) I would totally love, when I'm older and richer, to retire to Florida and work as an Ice-Cream vendor at Disney World ;-) -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From jzerkel@effingham.net Fri Mar 16 17:21:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 01:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 5805 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 01:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 01:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 01:21:24 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp201.effingham.net [12.34.177.201]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:31:02 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c0ae80$e82ec500$c9b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <82.83af470.27e401dd@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] My favorite park Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:23:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" Have you heard of all of the > infamous Disney cast-member "pranks"? Cast-member pranks? I, personally, have never heard about this. Care to elaborate?? Maybe a couple of examples? Thanks, Jon From IOASpiderman@aol.com Fri Mar 16 19:46:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 03:46:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 87721 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 03:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 03:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 03:46:18 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.50.12d38255 (16642) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:46:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50.12d38255.27e43800@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:46:08 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com Hey guys... as everybody seems to be doing, i will introduce myself... I am another CT refugee, and I was on the list for about a year and a half or two years. After a trip a couple of years to CP and PKI, I really started getting into coasters. But I was always interested in them... I had passes in just about every place I lived to the closest park. But thats when I started knowing stuff about them. By the way, I am 15 years old. Right now, my home park is SFGAd, and I live about an hour and 15 minutes away in northeastern NJ, close to New York City. I am in high school, and play baseball in the spring and soccer in the fall. In my spare time, I like to program, something that I picked up a little last year in a course in school. (Check out my website under my signature to see some of the programs I developed). My coaster count right now is around 80 or 85, depending on how you count. Like 2 sides for Colossus, little carnival rides that are like 2 feet tall, that kinda stuff. Hopefully during this summer, I will get out to SFMM and KBF, and possibly Hershey Park. I also hope to get to SFGAd on opening day to ride Nitro :). Well, thats about it. See ya. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com www.geocities.com/mfsoftware2000 From coasterdude18@juno.com Fri Mar 16 20:51:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 04:51:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 6070 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 04:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 04:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 04:51:01 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNbWVPHaVXYq+pQ+cMyEr4rA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYP5YFKC; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:50:57 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:47:37 -0600 Subject: INTRODUCTION: Nate K. Message-ID: <20010316.224747.-279185.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,12-13,21-22,31-32,38-40,41-32767 From: "Nate K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, all. I just wanted to take a few moments to thank you all for joining RollerCoasterTalk. It's great to know that the Coaster-Talk meant enough to people to allow it to continue. I'm looking forward to many more discussions and debates. For those of you who don't know me (and for those who don't quite remember) I'm 19 years old and attending college at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. I'm still listed as an Engineering major, but that will soon change. My home parks are Big Chief (30-45 minutes away) and SFGAm (about an hour and a half from Madison). I'm going to remain living in Madison over the summer, though "home" for me is still northwestern Wisconsin (Amery to be exact; it's about an hour from Minneapolis/St Paul). Thus, my former home park was Valleyfair. My favorite coasters are (steel) The Incredible Hulk and (wood) Shivering Timbers. My top ten lists and the list of ever coaster I've ridden can be found at http://www.geocities.com/crossroads2000online/rollercoasterindex.html . Currently, my count is 103 and a trip to Virginia and the east coast this summer should bump that up significantly. I'm planning on attending Stark Raven Mad this year and I'd like to get to Timbers Fest but I'm not so sure about that one. I'll probably make it out to Knoebels for PPP, too, so I hope to see some of you this summer! As George posted yesterday, Josh Wozny (MxPx2@aol.com) and myself (coasterdude18@juno.com) are moderating this list for the time being so if you have a question or need help with something, don't hesitate to send an e-mail directly to us or the RollerCoasterTalk help/owner address: RollerCoasterTalk-owner@yahoogroups.com . Thanks--it's nice to see you all on here! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tangerineimac@hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 04:16:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tangerineimac@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 12:16:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 62149 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 12:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 12:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.9.39) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 13:17:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 04:16:50 -0800 Received: from 208.10.215.203 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:16:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.10.215.203] To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: QUES: Tampa Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:16:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2001 12:16:50.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[25144F20:01C0AEDC] From: "Alec Goins" I am going to Fort Myers Florida over spring break. I think we are going to make it up to Tampa one day. I am really excited about riding Montu and Gwazi. Does anyone have any tips for visiting Busch Gardens? Thanks! ************************************************************ Alec Goins tangerineimac@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dionmarx@yahoo.com Sat Mar 17 04:42:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dionmarx@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 12:42:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 65437 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 12:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 12:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 12:42:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dionmarx@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2001 12:42:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:42:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: QUES: Tampa Message-ID: <98vm3v+oiku@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 445 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.93.100.111 From: dionmarx@yahoo.com --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "Alec Goins" wrote: > > > I am going to Fort Myers Florida over spring break. I think we are > going to make it up to Tampa one day. I am really excited about riding > Montu and Gwazi. Does anyone have any tips for visiting Busch Gardens? > Thanks! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Go early and have tickets in hand...... Rick From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 06:34:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 14:34:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 35992 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 14:34:47 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.5f.1256013e (3735) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:34:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5f.1256013e.27e4cffd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:34:37 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] DISNEYLAND To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com The cast member pranks are really funny. Employees always play pranks on each other, their supervisors, and sometimes guests. True Example: An operator from Peter Pan's Flight found a condom on the seat of one of the cars. He went into the break room, blew it up like a baloon, and put it on a stick. Then he went to the other employee at the turnstyle, and told her to hold the baloon for a boy who he had told that baloons are not allowed onto the ride. Entering guests gave her very odd looks, but never said anything. Finally, he told her, and she ran into the break room for the rest of the day. (scroll down) Another Example: At the Disneyland haunted mantion, the pre-show in which the room "streches, is actually an elevator with a stationary top. After guests exit the pre-show, the host takes the elevator back up. One host liked to take of his pants and run around, and then put them back on before the door opened. One day, a fellow employee threw his pants up onto one of the gargoyles. The terrified host had to wait until the gargoyle got close enough to reach, as the elevator acended toward the top. (scroll down) And just a little more: *A janitor used to grab haunted mansion rider's legs. *Employees tie new employees to the Disneyland railroad tracks. *Employees push supervisors into the Rivers of America in frontierland. *Ride operators purposely dipatch the next car to soon on rides, so that the emergency brakes sre triggered. *Tom Sawyer Island boat drivers would take the boats around the island 3 times and then stop at the losding dock instead of the island. *A bus driver drove riders around the Magic Kingdom twice, down the wrong highway, and then to the hotel 3 minutes away. *A Rivers of America ferry driver would fill only one side of the boat, so that it would tip far to the right, with the other side in the air. *Ferry drivers would compete to see how many people they could squash into a boat. One got 64 kids into a boat made for twenty people. And so on and so fourth... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 06:49:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 14:49:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 63898 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 14:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 14:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 14:49:07 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.7b.11ac623f (3735) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:48:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b.11ac623f.27e4d357@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:48:55 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUICK intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Here's all you need to know about me: PLEASE READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love roller coasters more than anything else I can think of. I have gotten a bunch of theme park and dark ride ideas patented, and I plan to use them in the future. I still love Disney parks, but IOA and CP are the best. Viper at Six Flags Great Adventure is my favorite coaster next to Raptor and Mantis at CP, but I also love Appollo's Chariot, Hulk, Batman, V:TBC, etc... so it's hard to decide. (scroll down) I will type "-Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters)" at the end of every message that I send. (unless I forget) I love getting IM's from other coaster fans. (that means you) -Mark Devries (who loves riller coasters) From crontman@aol.com Sat Mar 17 09:12:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 17:12:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 58161 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 17:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 17:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 17:12:13 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.8b.3d5730d (9823) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:11:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b.3d5730d.27e4f4d8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:11:52 EST Subject: INTRO: Dave R. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com Hi all, I'm Dave R., 14 years old. My home park is SFGrAdv. I am also a CT refugee although I didn't post much. My coaster count is only about 20 (don't laugh, I'm only 14). I hope to post more on this list. Dave R. From crontman@aol.com Sat Mar 17 09:20:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 17:20:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 60501 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 17:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 17:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r15.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 17:20:54 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.be.1173efd0 (9823) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:20:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:20:29 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] My favorite park To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com There are 'tunnels' under the park? What are they used for? Dave R. From STINO999@aol.com Sat Mar 17 09:58:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 17:58:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 46714 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 17:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 18:59:50 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.d6.3b87756 (18258) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:58:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:58:42 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INTRO: Dave R. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So we have another SFGA person! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Mar 17 10:39:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 18:39:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21352 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 18:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 18:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 19:40:07 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06636 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:38:58 -0600 Message-Id: <200103171838.MAA06636@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] My favorite park To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:38:57 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "crontman@aol.com" at Mar 17, 2001 12:20:29 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > There are 'tunnels' under the park? > What are they used for? Ok, so 'tunnel' wasn't the right word .. more like walkway. It's basically so that cast members can get around the park easily. It also means that you will never see a Tomorrow Land cast member in any other area but Tomorrow land (since they use the 'tunnel' to walk to Tomorrow land). Most of the doors to/from the tunnels were in shops. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From moonscorch@aol.com Sat Mar 17 11:13:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MoonScorch@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 19:13:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 66244 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 19:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 19:13:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 19:13:07 -0000 Received: from MoonScorch@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.35.1229bffc (4237) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:13:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35.1229bffc.27e5113f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:13:03 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Tampa To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 From: moonscorch@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/01 4:17:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, tangerineimac@hotmail.com writes: > I am going to Fort Myers Florida over spring break. I think we are > going to make it up to Tampa one day. I am really excited about riding > Montu and Gwazi. Does anyone have any tips for visiting Busch Gardens? > Thanks! > Make sure your car is at the gate a half hour before opening if you want to get the best jump in. Hit Gwazi first. The lines for it back up very quickly because of the slow load-in procedure. Don't miss Scorpion. It's a charming little guy. Pray for no rain. Mike Fort Lauderdale "No time for the old in-and-out, love. I'm just here to read the meter!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coaster310@aol.com Sat Mar 17 11:16:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Coaster310@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 19:16:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 13392 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 19:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 19:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 20:17:56 -0000 Received: from Coaster310@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.51.8df61d1 (7402) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51.8df61d1.27e5121a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:16:42 EST Subject: Introduction To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 From: coaster310@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I just wanted to give a brief introduction, or I guess=20 reintroduction.=A0 My name is Aaron, I'm 20 years old.=A0 I have been with = CT for=20 about 2 years, and when I heard it may close for good, I was upset, I don't= =20 post very much I used too, but lately when I tried to post to CT My posts=20 would never show up.=A0 So then I just always read it alot.=A0 I have loved= =20 coasters for as long as I can remember.=A0 I have been employed by Paramoun= t's=20 Kings Island (PKI) the last 3 years, I started out in 1999 on Express/Ship= =20 which is Adventure Express, and Viking Fury, I worked on Action Theater=20 (James Bond 007 A License to Thrill) in 2000, in 2001 I'll be working=20 Vortex/Action Theater.=A0 I have really enjoyed working at the park. I have= =20 visited 3 of the 5 Paramount Parks.=A0 PKI, PKD, and PCarowinds, I have bee= n to=20 CP, Disney World, BGT, SFSL.=A0 Plus a few parks that are no longer open,=20 Boardwalk and Baseball, as well as Opryland.=A0 My Favorite coaster at PKI= =20 would have to be the Vortex for steel, and for wood, Son of Beast.=A0 I lov= e=20 all coasters.=A0 Well, I hope to see some of ya in line this summer at PKI. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 15:10:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 23:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 91113 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 23:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 23:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 23:10:57 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.96.11867ca0 (3703) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:10:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <96.11867ca0.27e548fe@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:10:54 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] My favorite park To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Dave R. Yes, there are tunnels under the Disney parks. There is a whole world down there! It's like a city! Offices, garbadge disposal systems, ride matenence, storage space, underground streets for emergency cars, break areas, etc. As a matter of fact, EOCOT is actually built 2 stories above the ground, due to the 2 floor underground area! It's bigger than the park! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From gocubs7@hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 16:53:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 00:53:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 59582 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.115) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 00:53:36 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:26:59 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.26 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:26:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.26] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: hello, im new Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:26:59 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2001 22:26:59.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[37A78090:01C0AE68] From: "Tim Schroll" Ok, I was on Coaster Talk for a while and never posted. Now I'm on Roller Coaster Talk and I have a few questions? Is there a way to get this list in digest? Am I better off with the regular form? Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 17:54:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 01:54:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 61569 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 01:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 01:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 02:55:10 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.7b.11b6332c (25104) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:50:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b.11b6332c.27e56e6e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:50:38 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com If you like a VERY lare amount of roller coaster mail, don't just get the digest. The digest allows you to view the day's mail in one mail each day. It is read-only. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From gocubs7@hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 18:27:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 02:27:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14257 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 02:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 02:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.180) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 03:28:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:27:13 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 02:27:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.4] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]RE: hello, im new Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:27:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2001 02:27:13.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[F10A0A40:01C0AF52] From: "Tim Schroll" > >If you like a VERY lare amount of roller coaster mail, don't just get the >digest. The digest allows you to view the day's mail in one mail each day. >It is read-only. > I know but can i get it from RCT like i did C-T? Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gocubs7@hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 18:27:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 02:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 47710 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 02:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 02:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.54) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 02:27:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:27:21 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 02:27:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.4] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]RE: hello, im new Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:27:21 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2001 02:27:21.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5DB6870:01C0AF52] From: "Tim Schroll" > >If you like a VERY lare amount of roller coaster mail, don't just get the >digest. The digest allows you to view the day's mail in one mail each day. >It is read-only. > I know but can i get it from RCT like i did C-T? Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 18:45:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 02:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 75714 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 02:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 02:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 02:45:04 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.42.122c4bc9 (3758) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:44:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42.122c4bc9.27e57b28@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:44:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]RE: hello, im new To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com I'm pretty sure that you can, but I don't know Yahoo Groups very well, so I could be wrong. In other words: Ask George... :-) -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 18:48:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 02:48:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 81087 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 02:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 02:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 02:48:46 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.96.1184acc9 (3758) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:48:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <96.1184acc9.27e57bf0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:48:16 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com This list isn't really very crowded yet, is it? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) P.S. What happend to Chris K? What about Josh? Lance? If any of you are here, please say so! From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 19:33:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 03:33:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 19596 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 03:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 03:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 03:33:31 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.5a.12947cc9 (3758) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:33:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5a.12947cc9.27e58689@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:33:29 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com With the incredible Six Flags expansion going on, Cedar Point is really starting to fall from it's #1 position. I'm still waiting for it to climb back up there... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 19:38:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 03:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 30186 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 03:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 03:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 03:38:21 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.38.137b3849 (3758) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38.137b3849.27e587a8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:38:16 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Let me pose yet another quick question here: For those of you who have been on Millennium Force, IS IT AS GOOD AS IT LOOKS? I have been getting the impression that it itn't. Also, for those of you who have been on S:ROS too: Which is better S:ROS or MF? also... " " " Golioth " " ? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 17 19:40:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 03:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 30149 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 03:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 03:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 04:41:40 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.ea.12d7c3bc (3758) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:40:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:40:25 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Does anyone here like the Viper at SFGAdv? I love it! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From cobra1562@hotmail.com Sat Mar 17 20:14:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cobra1562@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 04:14:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 81185 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 04:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 04:14:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.16.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 04:14:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:14:12 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.14.43.154] To: References: <38.137b3849.27e587a8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:17:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2001 04:14:12.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[E30A85A0:01C0AF61] From: "J B" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >For those of you who have been on Millennium Force, IS IT AS GOOD AS IT >LOOKS? I have been getting the impression that it itn't. Millenium Force is unbelievable!! It may not be the best coaster, but definatly a top 5. Some of the middle of the ride could use some work, but the speed is amazing. And there are no words to describe the first drop. The airtime in the back seat has TONS of air. In the front seat the visuals are wonderful, but you will have to pry your eyes open at the end. I haven't ridden S:ROS, but Millenium Force rules! Jason [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From STINO999@aol.com Sat Mar 17 21:22:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 05:22:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2730 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 05:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 05:22:41 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.4a.12ef6efe (3870) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:22:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4a.12ef6efe.27e5a01b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:22:35 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can you love that ride. all it does is bang you up! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sat Mar 17 22:34:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 06:34:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 74598 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 06:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 06:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 06:34:39 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id AAA75560793 Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:27:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB457D7.FD715256@gte.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:38:15 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash The biggest difference is that a digest you will get one email a day with all of the messages posted that day enclosed- basically one really long email. On the normal service you will get each individual email message- which can be anywhere from 10 to 35 or so a day. If you do want it in digest form, let me or one of the moderators know and we can change you over, or you can do it by visiting the group page and selecting the delivery options link and change it there. Keep on ridin' George Tim Schroll wrote: > Ok, I was on Coaster Talk for a while and never posted. Now I'm on Roller > Coaster Talk and I have a few questions? Is there a way to get this list in > digest? Am I better off with the regular form? > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sat Mar 17 22:43:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 06:43:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 84543 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 06:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 06:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 06:43:48 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id AAA71569773 Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:37:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB459FC.C4FC7AD2@gte.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:47:24 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new & Oh my, the crowds References: <42.122c4bc9.27e57b28@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Gads, you guys are going to make me sound like something special here. :-) Hope that my last response answered your questions about how the mail works. It should work exactly the same as Coaster Talk, just using different addresses. I haven't seen any differences except that we have more options at the group site, which if you have not checked out yet, I strongly encourage you to. CPMForce@aol.com wrote: > I'm pretty sure that you can, but I don't know Yahoo Groups very well, so I > could be wrong. In other words: > Ask George... :-) You also wrote: This list isn't really very crowded yet, is it? > > P.S. What happend to Chris K? What about Josh? Lance? If any of you are > here, please say so! > As of right now we have 58 members, and I expect to see several more trickling in over the next few days as others read the posts and realize that Coaster Talk is gone. Lance is on the list already, as is Josh. I haven't seen Chris K yet. A full listing is available at the site for you under members. If you see someone missing and you have a way to email them then please do and tell them about the list. Or give the email address to me or one of the mods and we'll do it. (sorry, I didn't start gathering email addresses til to late) I'm still hoping to finish gathering the whole list again. BTW Josh or anyone else, any idea on how many members CT had before it shut down? Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Mar 18 00:32:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 08:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 4087 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 08:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 08:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 09:34:00 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.e3.11cf9667 (15877) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:32:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:32:53 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com I've been on MF 52+ rides...it's my #1 coaster. It absolutely blew me away. it's gonna take a LOT to top that ride....trust me, it only gets better as the day goes on, right Nate? Moderator Josh From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 01:32:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 09:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 97804 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 09:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 09:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 09:31:17 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN6FnSQ1R3hoQ3pewPmOM4WA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYS8DBAX; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:30:39 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:27:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new & Oh my, the crowds Message-ID: <20010318.032718.-571887.4.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,19-22 From: "Nate K." > As of right now we have 58 members, and I expect to see several more > trickling > in over the next few days as others read the posts and realize that > Coaster > Talk is gone. Lance is on the list already, as is Josh. I haven't > seen Chris > K yet. I will be speaking to Chris about that. :-) >A full listing is available at the site for you under > members. Actually, I don't think anyone but moderators have access to that list, meaning that you won't be able to see who has signed up for RollerCoasterTalk. Eventually, if Coaster-Talk is not reincarnated eventually and we stay with RollerCoasterTalk, I'd like to see a "members" page go up with a directory of people who belong to the list (of course, you'll only be listed if you wish to be). That's all a ways down the line, though. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 01:32:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 09:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 97818 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 09:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 09:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 10:32:22 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN6FnSQ1R3hoTjmQ57GlQsYA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYS8DA9V; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:30:39 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:16:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! Message-ID: <20010318.032718.-571887.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,11-15,21-24 From: "Nate K." > For those of you who have been on Millennium Force, IS IT AS GOOD AS > IT > LOOKS? I have been getting the impression that it itn't. Where are you getting that impression? If anything, I've gotten the impression that people think Millennium Force is a really, really good coaster. I certainly enjoyed it; it's an intense ride that provides some very nice airtime combined with speed and some nice laterals. And the location is great. The ride is extremely short (or at least it seems to be) but still more than satisfying. It's a top five ride in my book. And yes, the ride improves significantly as the day goes on (night rides are the best). > Also, for those of you who have been on S:ROS too: > Which is better S:ROS or MF? Which S:ROS are you referring to? I've ridden SFDL's and while I thoroughly enjoyed it, I preferred Millennium Force because MF is more intense and has far less dead track. S:ROS has more spots of great air, though. On my top ten list (for steel coasters), MF ranks 3rd and S:ROS is 4th. I'd like to get out to SFNE to ride that S:ROS (as I hear that is the best one) but I don't know when that will happen. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 02:09:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 10:09:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 63650 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 10:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 10:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 10:09:49 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNB6jIkA/zHutpz5JJj2hE6Q=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYTALGNY; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 05:09:31 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:04:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new & Oh my, the crowds Message-ID: <20010318.040601.-571887.7.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,16-19 From: "Nate K." > >A full listing is available at the site for you under > > members. > > Actually, I don't think anyone but moderators have access to that > list, meaning that you won't be able to see who has signed up for > RollerCoasterTalk. Eventually, if Coaster-Talk is not reincarnated > eventually and we stay with RollerCoasterTalk, I'd like to see a > "members" page go up with a directory of people who belong to the > list (of course, you'll only be listed if you wish to be). That's > all a ways down the line, though. Oops, I was wrong. Regular members *can* view the list of people who have signed up for RollerCoasterTalk by signing into Yahoo! Egroups and going to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rollercoastertalk and clicking on "members" in the left-hand side bar. I would still like to get a "members" page up on the web at some point in the future with members' names, ages, locations, etc. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From PatCookY2K@juno.com Sun Mar 18 03:03:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: patcooky2k@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 11:03:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 44425 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 11:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 11:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m27.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.90) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 12:04:31 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ZNburrZH6QUt59vfJlG0idMeTmxgmBr89a6/uQjRFukINEspT7K8Mg=="> Received: (from patcooky2k@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYTDNFH9; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:03:01 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 05:59:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper Message-ID: <20010318.060200.-3788469.1.PatCookY2K@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: PatCookY2K@juno.com The Viper is an awesome ride. Six Flags has made a few modifications on it in recent years and at last check, i heard a rumor that it will be removed after this season. If anyone has anymore info on this, please let me know. Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From crewie@voyager.net Sun Mar 18 05:08:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: crewie@voyager.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 13:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24795 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 13:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 13:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.mx.voyager.net) (216.93.66.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 13:08:48 -0000 Received: from pbeegle (d169.as3.jcsn.mi.voyager.net [216.93.117.62]) by mail3.mx.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f2ID8k110712 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:08:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c0afab$30225a40$3e755dd8@pbeegle> To: References: <38.137b3849.27e587a8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:58:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Teresa" > > For those of you who have been on Millennium Force, IS IT AS GOOD AS IT > LOOKS? I have been getting the impression that it itn't. > It depends on what you look for in a rollercoaster. If you want to be high and fast, then it is better than it looks. However, if you want to feel the other elements in the ride, like airtime, it isn't that great because it is disorienting. You are going so fast that you have no idea what is going on. I prefer the Magnum over it, only because of the great view of Lake Erie and the pretzel. The first hill, however, is more amazing than it looks. ~Teresa From lance@screamscape.com Sun Mar 18 06:31:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 14:31:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 35813 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 14:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 14:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 14:31:04 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA70151 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:31:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id GFI0mJO2 Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:31:03 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <001e01c0afb7$fefc56c0$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <42.122c4bc9.27e57b28@aol.com> <3AB459FC.C4FC7AD2@gte.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new & Oh my, the crowds Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:30:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" > > P.S. What happend to Chris K? What about Josh? Lance? If any of you are > > here, please say so! I'm here... From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Mar 18 07:50:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 15:50:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21010 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 15:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 15:49:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 16:51:00 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20458 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:49:31 -0600 Message-Id: <200103181549.JAA20458@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:49:31 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <20010318.032718.-571887.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Mar 18, 2001 03:16:41 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > Which S:ROS are you referring to? I've ridden SFDL's [snip] > I'd like to get out to SFNE to ride that S:ROS (as I hear that > is the best one) but I don't know when that will happen. I have ridden SFDL and SFNE, and New England is definatly better. It's actually quite amazing. The ride and it's location are perfect. Not only is it cool along the river, but when you walk down the stairs on the way to the ride, all you see is a total mass of track ... Like a spegatti bowl! See: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery628.htm?Picture=6 If there is one thing I don't like about the ride, is that stupid over-banked turn .. I just don't get these! (Raging Bull is full of these too, and it so completely annoys me!) Why have an over banked turn, when an underbanked one is SO much more fun?!! I have not ridden MF, but I'm not in any huge hurry too either ... While I have no doubt that the drop is excellent, the layout simply doesn't appeal to me. Plus, I was at Cedar Point in 99, and even though we had a wonderful time, I'm not quite ready to go back yet. There are other parks on my list that I want to visit first! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From STINO999@aol.com Sun Mar 18 08:07:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 16:07:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 78071 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 16:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 16:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 16:07:42 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.92.11d73f0f (8415) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:07:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.11d73f0f.27e63746@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:07:34 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Viper is an awesome ride. Six Flags has made a few modifications on it in recent years and at last check, i heard a rumor that it will be removed after this season.=A0 If anyone has anymore info on this, please let me=20 know.......................................................................= ... ........................... Last time I went on that ride I got a chair that had no padding and it hurt= =20 like hell. Most of the chairs and sets were not comftorable at all. Its way= =20 to short but it does have a nice drop.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From STINO999@aol.com Sun Mar 18 08:12:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 16:12:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 65455 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 16:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 16:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 16:12:33 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.9.12838993 (8415) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:12:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9.12838993.27e63869@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:12:25 EST Subject: Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is everyones best floorless coaster. My oppinion is Medusa at SFGA but i havnt riden many of them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Mar 18 09:03:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 17:03:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 68091 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 17:02:53 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp47.effingham.net [12.34.177.47]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:12:40 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c0afcd$9917bc80$2fb1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <42.122c4bc9.27e57b28@aol.com> <3AB459FC.C4FC7AD2@gte.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new & Oh my, the crowds Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:05:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" It should work exactly the same as Coaster Talk, just using different > addressesaven't seen any differences except that we have more options at > the group site, which if you have not checked out yet, I strongly encourage you > to. Sorry if this question seems a little "elementary,"...but what exactly is the address of the group site? Thanks, Jon From chillerjen@yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 10:05:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chillerjen@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 18:05:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 2978 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 18:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 18:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web9205.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.129.38) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 19:06:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010318180539.38858.qmail@web9205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.236.96] by web9205.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:05:39 PST Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:05:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jennifer Maher --- cameronbw@aol.com wrote: > I now work in the Magic Kingdom, in Fantasyland attractions. > I > work on small world, > OOOOOHHHHHHHHH THE HORROR do you brink earplugs to work? > Cameron Willis Thankfully, you don't really hear THAT SONG from the loading area anymore... Jen > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk/message/21 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mike_ska@yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 10:34:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 18:34:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 98524 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.30) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 18:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010318183359.8140.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.71] by web4905.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:33:59 PST Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:33:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <38.137b3849.27e587a8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan --- CPMForce@aol.com wrote: > Let me pose yet another quick question here: > > For those of you who have been on Millennium Force, > IS IT AS GOOD AS IT > LOOKS? I have been getting the impression that it > itn't. > > Also, for those of you who have been on S:ROS too: > > Which is better S:ROS or MF? > also... In my opinion, Mf is the best steel coaster i have ridden, However, S:ROS @SFNE is not that far behind. I loved the speed and overall immenseness of MF, But the G's (both pos. and neg.) are awsome. I thought both coasters were great and MF is MY favorite (although many people dissagree) but not by much. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mike_ska@yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 10:49:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 18:49:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 96388 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 18:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 18:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 18:49:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010318184919.23236.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.71] by web4904.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:49:19 PST Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:49:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9.12838993.27e63869@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan --- STINO999@aol.com wrote: > What is everyones best floorless coaster. My > oppinion is Medusa at SFGA but i > havnt riden many of them. I've only ridden this and BKF @ SFO. I much perfered medusa because of the zero g camelback roll-over. That is suchan awsome inversion. I'm also a big fan of diving loops which BKF was missing. The placement of the rides were both really good because i liked looking at the funny animals over in the drive thru. And the swamp/dirty lake was cool, but it needs to be cleaned (while in line me and my sister played "count the dead fish" to pass the time.) ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mike_ska@yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 10:52:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 18:52:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 95387 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 18:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 18:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 18:52:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010318185216.23435.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.71] by web4904.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:52:16 PST Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:52:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010318183359.8140.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan > > In my opinion, Mf is the best steel coaster i have > ridden, However, S:ROS @SFNE is not that far behind. > > I loved the speed and overall immenseness of MF, But > the G's (both pos. and neg.) are awsome. I thought > both coasters were great and MF is MY favorite > (although many people dissagree) but not by much. Sorry, the part where i say the G's are awsome i was talkin about on S:ROS. my bad. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From crontman@aol.com Sun Mar 18 11:00:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 19:00:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 11660 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 19:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 19:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r13.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 19:00:32 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.59.8559eb3 (17535) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:00:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59.8559eb3.27e65fbe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:00:14 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com I think this has been talked about before. I remember that you are the only one here that REALLY likes viper. Personally, the ride is too short and rough to be a great ride. However, I think it can still be fun (the first drop is one of the most intense I've seen on a coaster) Dave R. From crontman@aol.com Sun Mar 18 11:03:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 19:03:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 26016 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 19:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 19:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 19:03:07 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.70.8c068b3 (17535) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:03:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <70.8c068b3.27e66065@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:03:01 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com I'd say that Medusa (at SFGrAdv) is the best floorless. It was also the first. Dave R. From PatCookY2K@juno.com Sun Mar 18 11:23:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: patcooky2k@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 19:23:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 88086 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m27.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.90) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 19:23:00 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ZNburrZH6QUt59vfJlG0idMeTmxgmBr8o5SgS/nMXf598tgAQLs8gA=="> Received: (from patcooky2k@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYT98LAP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:22:16 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:21:25 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster Message-ID: <20010318.142126.-3792667.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: PatCookY2K@juno.com I too think that Medusa is the best floorless Coaster around. Great Bear at Hersheypark is my second favorite. Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 11:58:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 19:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 26628 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 19:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 19:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 20:59:26 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN5h3QOxUbI4YaVQ7iAz7A8A=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYUB92TM; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:58:01 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:54:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new & Oh my, the crowds Message-ID: <20010318.135446.-386679.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,10-13 From: "Nate K." > Sorry if this question seems a little "elementary,"...but what > exactly is > the address of the group site? The group site is located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rollercoastertalk . There you'll find lots of things you can see like a list of everyone who belongs to RCTalk, archives of all posts, rollercoaster-related bookmarks and such. Hopefully, some of the options we didn't have with Coaster-Talk (like chatting and the ability to upload files) can be put to use as people get more settled in to this list. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From mike_ska@yahoo.com Sun Mar 18 12:14:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 20:14:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 97363 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 20:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 20:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.26) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 20:14:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010318201444.25357.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.209.134.135] by web4901.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:14:44 PST Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:14:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010318.142126.-3792667.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan --- PatCookY2K@juno.com wrote: > I too think that Medusa is the best floorless > Coaster around. Great Bear > at Hersheypark is my second favorite. > > Pat This is not a flame, but the question (as i read it) was refering to florless coasters i.e. medusa and BKF @ SFO. Not inverteds, even though those are also floorless. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Mar 18 12:24:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 20:24:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 95661 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 20:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 20:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 20:24:36 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.a9.12afe173 (15888) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:24:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:24:32 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com <> If anyone on this list knows me by now, I'll fight this one to the death. i HATE that ride. It hurts!!! the return hills are like /\/\/\/\/\, and all it does is bang around. i mean, i'll ride it a few times in a day because a short line on a big coaster's always a good thing...but eew..and YES you can feel major air on MF. iT's not as disorienting as you think...only after 31 straight rides :-D Later, Josh-Moderator From crewie@voyager.net Sun Mar 18 14:23:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: crewie@voyager.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 22:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 30568 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 22:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 22:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.mx.voyager.net) (216.93.66.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 22:23:26 -0000 Received: from pbeegle (d36.as3.jcsn.mi.voyager.net [216.93.25.37]) by mail3.mx.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f2IMNO114108 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001101c0aff8$a7fb7a40$25195dd8@pbeegle> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:13:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Teresa" > < the pretzel.>> and YES you can feel major air on MF. iT's not as disorienting as you think...only after 31 straight rides :-D > The last time I rode it, I had a migraine. Thats probably why I remember the distortion, and I wish my family would have went 31 straight times. =) ~Teresa From gocubs7@hotmail.com Sun Mar 18 14:27:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 22:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 25830 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 22:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 22:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.146) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 22:27:47 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:27:46 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.77 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:27:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.77] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Oh my, the crowds! Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:27:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2001 22:27:46.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[A86303C0:01C0AFFA] From: "Tim Schroll" > >I've been on MF 52+ rides...it's my #1 coaster. It absolutely blew me away. >it's gonna take a LOT to top that ride....trust me, it only gets better as >the day goes on, right Nate? -------------------------------------- Wow, you must of spent most of your summer waiting in line. Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Mar 18 14:46:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 22:46:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 79832 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 22:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 22:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 22:46:55 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id QAA128029535 Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:42:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB53BB7.4E33B655@gte.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:50:31 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] hello, im new & Oh my, the crowds References: <20010318.135446.-386679.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash "Nate K." wrote: > The group site is located at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rollercoastertalk . There you'll find lots > of things you can see like a list of everyone who belongs to RCTalk, > archives of all posts, rollercoaster-related bookmarks and such. > Hopefully, some of the options we didn't have with Coaster-Talk (like > chatting and the ability to upload files) can be put to use as people get > more settled in to this list. > Right. Here is a list of what's available at the group site: Bookmarks: members are able to add bookmarks to their favorite coaster related sites in the bookmark section, as well as see and use the ones that others have put up. A full archive of all messages posted is open for anyone, not just members, to read. There is also a file section available, where pictures and coaster related files can be found- right now including a list of common abbreviations, definitions of coaster terms, and the group guidelines. A list of all members- showing the first part of their email address and yahoo id, but not the complete email address. It will allow you to send an email to the person, or someone to send one to you, while hiding your email address so that spammers can not take advantage of it. A database where we are building a FAQ. The public can view, but members are free to add to this. If you see a question asked a bunch on the list, post an answer to it here. Or look at the database section first to see if an answer to your question is already there. A calendar to post your/our events. Going to be at a park on a certain day? Put it on the calendar for all to see and maybe meet up with you as well as posting a note. A chat room and polls are also available there as well as link called "promote". If you have a website and you want to help spread the word about the list, check out the promote option which has a couple of ways for you to cut and paste html code to your site and let people find us. So be sure to check out the site and add your own touch to it!! Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 16:39:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 00:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 14654 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 00:39:33 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.2b.1288ee76 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:39:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2b.1288ee76.27e6af3f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:39:27 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com I DON'T KNOW! I just love the Viper! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 16:42:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 00:42:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29236 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 00:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 00:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 00:42:57 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.c.12bacaf4 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:42:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:42:51 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Nate, What are you first and second of your top ten coaster list, if MF is #3? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 16:45:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 00:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 17736 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 00:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 00:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:46:36 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.c5.ee3a474 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:45:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:45:28 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Pat said: "The Viper is an awsome ride." THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! You are tho only person I know who actually likes the Viper too! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 16:50:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 00:50:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 65757 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 00:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 00:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:52:01 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.10.a3feef6 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:50:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.a3feef6.27e6b1ec@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:50:52 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com The S:ROS at SFNE is supposed to be the best, because it has a taller first drop and A LOT more airtime. I've never been on any of them yet. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 16:54:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 00:54:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 47756 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 00:54:33 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.102.6e132b (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:54:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <102.6e132b.27e6b2c4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:54:28 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Kracken is the best floorless coaster for me. I guess you haven't been on it. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 16:56:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 00:56:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 82526 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 00:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 00:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 00:56:47 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.23.8ea2af5 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:56:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23.8ea2af5.27e6b33e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:56:30 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Another Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Jennifer, Please tell us just a drop about the behind-the-scenes stuff at Disney. I'm really curious... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 17:01:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 01:01:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 88454 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 01:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 01:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:01:07 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.94.1196ef74 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:01:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <94.1196ef74.27e6b44d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:01:01 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Dave, Yes this has been talked about many times before. Fortunately for me, this time Pat is here ti say that Viper isn't that bad! Also, you said that it was the most intense drop you have ever seen on a coaster. You haven't, by any chance, seen any hyper coasters lately, have you? :-) -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 17:03:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 01:03:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 98260 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 01:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 01:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:03:36 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.76.8aa2df9 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:02:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <76.8aa2df9.27e6b4c0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:02:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Mike, BKF is probably the worst floorless so far. It really isn't a very good ride at all... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 17:04:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 01:04:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 96509 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 01:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 01:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:04:31 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.89.3d8c178 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:04:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <89.3d8c178.27e6b518@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:04:24 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Pat, Great Bear isn't a floorless coaster! It's an inverted coaster... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From coaster310@aol.com Sun Mar 18 17:37:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coaster310@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 01:37:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 32381 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 01:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:37:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: coaster310@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.65] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2001 01:37:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:37:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Son of Beast Message-ID: <993nt3+6ke0@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 801 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.188.193.176 From: "Aaron" I would just like to hear your thoughts about this ride. If you havent rode it, that's ok, I still want to hear from you too. My opinon on the Son of Beast (SOB) is I really enjoy the ride. Yes it had it's problems when it opened, but they got everything worked out, by July of 2000. When they started running two trains it was great. My last ride I had on the SOB was November 4th 2000, and I loved that ride. In my opinion it's a very good ride, and I will continue to enjoy it. Do you think this ride will age good, or do you think it will get worse as it get's older. Do you belive the ride, will run as well as it did at the end of last season, at the beginning of this season. Thanks in advance for any comments, any of you have on this ride. :) - Coaster310@aol.com Aaron From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Mar 18 17:46:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 01:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 49501 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 01:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 01:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:46:34 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.5a.1292d460 (5708) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:46:27 1900 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:46:27 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Oh my, the crowds! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <5a.1292d460.27e6bef3@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com <> Nope, that's why i LOVE the Great Ohio Coaster Club...ERT....Millennium Mania was such a great day, although it was cold and rainy. -Josh Moderator From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Mar 18 17:56:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 01:56:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 88505 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 01:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 01:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 01:56:04 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.71.b9dedd5 (15874) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:55:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:55:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <71.b9dedd5.27e6c12c@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com <> Yes it is...despite some roughness in the flat spins (which gets scary towards end-season) B:KF is a pretty decent ride (especially for the newer B&Ms)In fact, i have it ranked higher than Alpengeist(yes, Mark...i KNOW Alpie is an inverted, and B:KF is a floorless, but it makes no difference)...actually, Alpengeist isn't even on my top 10 anymore...i think it left like, 5 minutes after i rode it opening year. I expected a LOT from that ride, but expected crap from B:KF...and it's just the opposite. As much as i would have rather had an Intamin hyper instead of a floorless, or even instead of a stealth clone this year, i'm gonna take what i can get. After 102+ rides on Batman in it's opening year (last), i still say it's a pretty decent ride, though i'll take the villain first. -Josh Moderator From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 18:37:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 02:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 95103 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 02:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 02:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 03:38:14 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.2f.127bc206 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:36:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2f.127bc206.27e6cac9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:36:57 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Son of Beast To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com I've never been on SOB but nearly everyone that I have talked to says that that ride was a POS. Still, I don't know much about it, so I don't have an opinion. The new hyper-woodie in Germany looks INCREDIBLE! This is the first post that you will read involving our SOB opinions, but, from my experiance in this group, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH OPPOSITE OPINIONS ABOUT THIS.... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Sun Mar 18 18:42:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 02:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 87790 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 02:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 02:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 02:42:11 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.c5.ee90087 (17088) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:42:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:42:09 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Josh, I live in New York City. Is it worth it to get a membership to the Great Ohio Coaster Club. I'm already a member of ACE, Coaster Zombies, Mid Atlantic Coaster Club, Amusement Today magazine, and I am becoming a member of NAPHA, and Western New York Coaster Club. Tell me if I'm nuts, but I'm hungry for MORE! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 21:39:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 05:39:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 68188 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 05:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 05:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 06:40:58 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNWOg+SWNZeMmMgpETN3LKyA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYVDKAS3; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:39:47 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:39:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! Message-ID: <20010318.233913.-446205.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-10 From: "Nate K." > What are you first and second of your top ten coaster list, if MF is > #3? #1: Incredible Hulk #2: Fire Dragon Again, my entire top ten list (with pictures) and such is at http://www.geocities.com/crossroads2000online/rollercoasterindex.html . -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 21:44:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 05:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 49865 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 05:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 05:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 05:44:32 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNxG57AfypUvjKffOLd6r7GQ=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYVDSWXU; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:43:57 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:43:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster Message-ID: <20010318.234314.-446205.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,12-15 From: "Nate K." > BKF is probably the worst floorless so far. It really isn't a very > good ride > at all... What??!! B:KF is a *great* ride!! It starts out with a nice drop into a very nice loop with some great hang time. From there, you've got some wicked G's in the turns before you hit the cobra roll and the midcourse. There's some nice air off the midcourse brakes and the finale is similar to that of the other floorless coasters minus Kraken (two interlocking corkscrews). It is really unlike any other B&M coaster out there. The high speed turns are fantastic. I was really impressed by B:KF and wish B&M would build more coasters like that (rather than the "cookie cutter"-type coasters like Medusa). -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 21:51:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 05:51:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 62106 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 05:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 05:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 06:52:27 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNEZqcTYRL8mBlf0hxDtPshA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYVD744E; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:51:09 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:43:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster Message-ID: <20010318.235039.-446205.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,12-15 From: "Nate K." > BKF is probably the worst floorless so far. It really isn't a very > good ride > at all... What??!! B:KF is a *great* ride!! It starts out with a nice drop into a very nice loop with some great hang time. From there, you've got some wicked G's in the turns before you hit the cobra roll and the midcourse. There's some nice air off the midcourse brakes and the finale is similar to that of the other floorless coasters minus Kraken (two interlocking corkscrews). It is really unlike any other B&M coaster out there. The high speed turns are fantastic. I was really impressed by B:KF and wish B&M would build more coasters like that (rather than the "cookie cutter"-type coasters like Medusa). -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Mar 18 21:51:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 05:51:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 87849 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 05:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 05:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 06:52:28 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNEZqcTYRL8mDtjco1bVGFVw=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYVD7452; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:51:09 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:50:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Son of Beast Message-ID: <20010318.235039.-446205.4.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,12-18,20-24,27-33,36-39 From: "Nate K." > I would just like to hear your thoughts about this ride. In my opinion, Son of Beast was not only last year's biggest disappointment but one of the greatest failures in the history of building coasters and one of the worst rides in existence. The coaster does nothing for me--there is no airtime, there's no real positive g's, and the laterals aren't even that great. The loop is the only fun part of the ride and it's not worth building a 200 foot high wooden coaster just for a good inversion. The layout is horrendous (loooong rampy drop, helix, helix, brakes, drop, loop, helix, helix, hill that produces no air, brakes). And the ride is unbelievably rough. Thankfully it isn't painful, but the constant banging of the cars on the tracks is not pleasant. >Yes it > had it's problems when it opened, but they got everything worked > out, > by July of 2000. Except for that "bang bang bang" that goes on throughout the entire ride. >Do you think this ride will age good, or do you think it > will get worse as it get's older. If PKI takes care of it, the ride shouldn't change much. However, if they don't take *very* good care of the ride, it will get much worse very quickly. Large woodies tend to rip themselves apart. Do you belive the ride, will run > as well as it did at the end of last season, at the beginning of > this > season. I should think so. I don't think the winter will have done too much to change the ride experience. And if PKI did some work over the winter, it may even run better (though still nowhere near enjoyable for me). -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From tbolt@javanet.com Mon Mar 19 04:07:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt@javanet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 12:07:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 74237 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 12:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 12:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.javanet.com) (205.219.162.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 12:07:23 -0000 Received: from kraken (209-94-153-159.s159.tnt2.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.153.159]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA05963 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:07:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002301c0b06c$08ed4d60$f765fea9@mvnet.wnec.edu> To: References: <9.12838993.27e63869@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Kevin D. Dorey" > What is everyones best floorless coaster. My oppinion is Medusa at SFGA but i > havnt riden many of them. My personal preference would be to Kraken. GA Medusa simply doesn't have any forces and I was left rather disappointed when I rode it. Kraken, on the other hand, does have a bit of 'em (for a new B&M, anyway)--not to mention it's a heck of a fun ride. Kevin From serpmage@juno.com Mon Mar 19 06:12:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 48810 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:12:23 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAPxk9aBeGEN2wQE2hXk7d1oa7mInZ1nCgw=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYWATMRL; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:11:09 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:10:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] DISNEYLAND Message-ID: <20010319.091055.338.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,10-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:34:37 EST CPMForce@aol.com writes: > The cast member pranks are really funny. Employees always play > pranks on > each other, their supervisors, and sometimes guests. Bahh, that kind of stuff goes on at every park. At Kraken we screw with each other all the time, and frequently with the guests too. Unfortunately I can't let you in on the jokes though, just in case you come to our coaster someday, it would ruin our fun. :-) Tim the Poor Engineering Student --------------------- I meant what I said, And I said what I meant, An elephant's faithful, One hundred percent. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Mon Mar 19 06:20:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 46483 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO abb-us01-ussmtp.abb.com) (130.110.1.232) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 15:21:23 -0000 Received: by abb-us01-ussmtp.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256A14.004DAC3E ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:08:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256A14.004DA97C.00@abb-us01-ussmtp.abb.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:10:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Patents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Really? Wow. I'd love to read these patents. What are the patent numbers? I've already done a search at the patent office website on your name and couldn't find anything. ________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:48:55 EST From: CPMForce@aol.com Subject: QUICK intro Here's all you need to know about me: PLEASE READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have gotten a bunch of theme park and dark ride ideas patented, -Mark Devries (who loves riller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:46:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 14968 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:46:43 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.48.1300e127 (5774) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:46:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48.1300e127.27e775cc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:46:36 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Nate, I didn't like Medusa either. I like Kracken! Plus, the front view on Kracken is much better too... and that's really the point of floorless coasters. To see and feel more. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:52:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:52:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 54523 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:52:30 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.82.85b4e1b (5774) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:52:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.85b4e1b.27e77727@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:52:23 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Kevin, That's what I said. Kracken is by far the best floorless coaster. It's the only one with forces that harsh. Have all of you who say Medusa and B:KF are the best, have you been on Kracken? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:56:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:56:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 41007 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.103.6e8dd9 (5774) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.6e8dd9.27e777e6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:55:34 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] DISNEYLAND To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Some people don't like the idea of employees plyaing pranks. I don't see why... it makes it more fun. And that's what theme parks are for aren't they? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 06:59:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:59:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 50256 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:59:36 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.31.11fcab1d (5774) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:59:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <31.11fcab1d.27e778cd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:59:25 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Patents To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Jon.Zuker@us.abb.com: That's because it's not finished yet. I'll give the info to you in a week or so whem it's finished. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 07:33:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 15:33:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 62946 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 15:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 15:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 15:33:49 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.e.a5c282a (5774) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:33:26 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NATE To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Nate, Is that youe site as a link on the thrillride.com links page? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Mar 19 08:02:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 16:02:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 39103 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 16:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 16:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 17:03:02 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN64vkT+CMarRiSXraBgqyIA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYWG5RR5; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:01:32 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:00:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NATE Message-ID: <20010319.100058.-763079.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-8 From: "Nate K." > Nate, > > Is that youe site as a link on the thrillride.com links page? Which site are you referring to? There are about 300 links on that page; it would help if you would list the address that is in question.\ -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 09:34:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 17:33:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 56082 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 17:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 17:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 18:35:01 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.102.6e3d78 (14375) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:33:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <102.6e3d78.27e79cfe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:33:50 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NATE To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com It's one of the new links From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 09:41:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 17:41:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 4888 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 17:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 17:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 17:40:17 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.92.11d99973 (14375) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:39:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.11d99973.27e79e65@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:39:49 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NATE To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Nate, I looked through the new links that I went to before, and I can't find it, but I was SURE that I saw coasterdude18 somewhere on one of them... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 09:52:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 17:52:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 34101 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 17:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 17:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 17:51:18 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f8.83ae2a8 (14375) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:51:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:51:13 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Pictures of YOU KNOW WHAT! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com For one picture of the single greatest roller coaster on the planet, go to the following site: www.joyrides.com/sfgad/full/viper1.htm -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) P.S. I know... I'm obsessed with that ride... (but Chris K isn't here yet, and I promised that I would never mention it in his presence) From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 19 09:55:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 17:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 9895 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 17:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 17:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 17:54:22 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05846 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:54:21 -0600 Message-Id: <200103191754.LAA05846@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Pictures of YOU KNOW WHAT! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:54:21 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "CPMForce@aol.com" at Mar 19, 2001 12:51:13 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > For one picture of the single greatest roller coaster on the planet, go to > the following site: > > www.joyrides.com/sfgad/full/viper1.htm That's not Shivering Timbers?! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 10:46:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 18:46:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 80440 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 18:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 18:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:47:21 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.c.12cbd880 (14375) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:46:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:46:10 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Pictures of YOU KNOW WHAT! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Cameron: That's probably only because I haven't been on Shivering Timbers! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 19 11:31:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 19:31:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 76005 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 19:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 19:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:31:43 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06396 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:31:38 -0600 Message-Id: <200103191931.NAA06396@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Pictures of YOU KNOW WHAT! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:31:38 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "CPMForce@aol.com" at Mar 19, 2001 01:46:10 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > That's probably only because I haven't been on Shivering Timbers! Well .. what are you waiting for?! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 11:38:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 19:38:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 97652 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 19:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 19:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r15.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 19:37:57 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.3c.901f206 (14375) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:37:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3c.901f206.27e7ba09@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:37:45 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Pictures of YOU KNOW WHAT! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com um... the park to open for the season... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:02:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 20:02:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 89468 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 20:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 20:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:03:03 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.6f.12b41587 (14375) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:01:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f.12b41587.27e7bfb2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:01:54 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com This is a very sad day. I have finally realized that Cedar Point of Sanduskey, Ohio is no longer the best roller coaster collection in the world. Yes, Six Flags Magic Mountain has a better collection. *weep* Those who have been on Golioth say that it is better that Milleniun Force. Riddler's Revenge is better than the Manis. *sniff* Batman is better than the Raptor. Colossus is better than the Mean Streak. Viper is better than the Corkscrew, and so on...plus X and Deja Vu... I can't go on...*sob* -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:07:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 20:07:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 72668 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 20:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 20:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 20:07:18 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.55.12bc1287 (14375) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:07:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55.12bc1287.27e7c0ee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:07:10 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com One more thing: Now that S:TE is a certified roller coaster... SFMM also has the tallest in the world! R.I.P. Cedar Point :( *WEEP* -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From stephanie@stealyourface.com Mon Mar 19 12:16:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie@stealyourface.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 20:16:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4364 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail15a.boca15-verio.com) (208.55.91.57) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:17:24 -0000 Received: from www.stealyourface.com (131.103.239.77) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.58s) with SMTP id 05336281 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:16:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB677A2.DC68CF77@stealyourface.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:18:26 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain References: <6f.12b41587.27e7bfb2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Stephanie Beck CPMForce@aol.com wrote: <> Who have you been talking to? I have heard from several people that MF is much better than Goliath. MF was not open yet the last time that I went to CP, and I really enjoyed Goliath, but I have heard that MF is better. <> NO WAY!!! IMHO, Raptor is MUCH better than Batman. Raptor seems faster, longer, and has a more interesting layout. <> I'll agree with you on this one. <> I didn't like either, so I can't really comment on this one. Stephanie From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:38:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 20:38:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 57911 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 20:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 20:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 20:38:44 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.63.134ecb62 (17083) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:38:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63.134ecb62.27e7c84c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:38:36 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Thanks for your thoughts about Cedar Point vs. SFMM. I really hope to agree with you when I visit SFMM! -Mark Devries (who loves riller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:59:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 20:59:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 19115 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 20:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 20:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 20:58:09 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.6a.c3e8163 (17083) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:57:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6a.c3e8163.27e7ccd2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:57:54 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Nate, I found the site. It is a new link on Thrillride called Coaster Crave. I noticed that it's actually coasterdude13, so never mind. :-) -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Mar 19 13:05:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:05:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 41885 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:04:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN8tPgKQQzOxMVv2n4Xp5Fpw=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYWZ99CC; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:05 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:00:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain Message-ID: <20010319.150032.-763079.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-8,10-13,15-18,21-24,27-30,32-33,35-36,39-40,45-52 From: "Nate K." >Those who have >been on Golioth say that it is better that Milleniun Force. I have never heard anyone who has been on both say that Goliath is better than MF. Personally (judging by the layout), I can't even see how Goliath can be more than slightly interesting. >Riddler's Revenge is better than the Manis. Well, Mantis is pretty crappy. The only thing worth riding for is the transition between the inclined loop and the helix into the midcourse. >Batman is better than the Raptor. Says who? Batman is far more intense, but Raptor's layout is much better and offers much more variety. >Colossus is better than the Mean Streak. Anything is better than Mean Streak (except for maybe SOB and SFDL's Predator). If you compare Colossus to Gemini, though, Gemini comes out on top. >Viper is better than the Corkscrew Viper is also much larger than the Corkscrew. If you're comparing smaller loopers, perhaps Corkscrew should be compared to Revolution instead (though SFMM would still win here for me). Some other comparisons you forgot: -Ninja & Iron Dragon: My vote goes to Ninja, even though nether really interested me. -Goldrusher & Cedar Creek Mine Ride: Another vote for SFMM. Both are pretty boring, but Goldrusher has a nice helix at the end. -Psyclone & Blue Streak: This is tough for me. Last time I was at SFMM I really liked Psyclone, but I've heard it's since worsened considerably. So I'd probably vote for the Blue Streak. Remember, also, that flat rides and landscaping make a park. SFMM lacks in flat rides while CP has a good number. CP is in a beautiful location and is well landscaped. SFMM is not a nice park. It's dirty, crowded, has a poor layout, and is in a horrible location (desert with a big hill in the middle). My vote stays for CP. -Mark Devries (who loves riller coasters) I love riller coasters, too. ;-) -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Mon Mar 19 13:33:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:33:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8604 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id AAC36FD00DA; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00e501c0b0bb$dbd1b320$7600070a@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: Superman Ride of Wood Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:30:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! I just got back from vacation and was shocked and saddened to find the list dissolved. Thanks, George, for carrying the torch for now. Anywho, on with my reply: >have a look at this site : http://www.cordes-row.de/3/6/4/0/index.htm < If you look at the low-angle photo in the Teir-13 Montage, you can clearly see the track laminate -- and there's none! Each inside edge of the track is flat, solid wood (with lots of knots, almost appearing to be plywood). That's peculiar. I don't know whether they covered up the laminate with wood, or whether the laminate has been flipped on its side (which is what Charlie Dinn sometimes did around curves). Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 19 13:36:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:36:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 37191 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:36:44 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07106 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:35:38 -0600 Message-Id: <200103192135.PAA07106@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:35:38 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <6f.12b41587.27e7bfb2@aol.com> from "CPMForce@aol.com" at Mar 19, 2001 03:01:54 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > > This is a very sad day. I have finally realized that Cedar Point of > Sanduskey, Ohio is no longer the best roller coaster collection in the > world. Was it ever? I mean, I LOVE Cedar Point, but aside from having a lot of coasters, it never really had the best ones. Magnum, Raptor Blue Streak and, Mantis are cool, and MF too (although I have not ridden that) .. but the others are probably right around average.. As for Batman being better than Raptor, I will totally disagree with that (and I'm a HUGE Batman fan!), but Raptor was my favorite ride in the park. I have never been to Magic Mountain, so I can't compare the other rides... I actually perfer the collection we have at Six Flags Great America over the Cedar Point coasters. Don't get me wrong, there is a vibe and energy at Cedar Point that is totally unique, and puts it right up high on the list of 'cool parks' ... But I would never call it the 'best coaster collection', even without comparing it to Magic Mountain. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Mon Mar 19 13:36:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:36:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 15188 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:35:55 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB6271600DA; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:34:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00f101c0b0bc$3a87ea60$7600070a@jducharme> To: Subject: REVIEW: 3D Coaster Builder Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:33:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I bought the darn game. It's a nice collectible. The box will make a lovely bookend. The "game" sucks. What were these designers smoking when they created this thing? How hard would it have been for them to refine it a bit further before releasing it? One good thing about it is that it make me appreciate how well-designed RCT and Ultra-Coaster are. The interface is pretty straightforward: click on the "wood" car (which looks like a flume log) for a wood coaster; click on the Arrow-styled car for a standard steel coaster; or click on the B&M-style car for an inverted. Each type of coaster has just twenty illogically-arranged pieces to choose from. You build the ride in an isometric view, the angle of which you cannot change. Ten pieces appear near the top of the screen. If you click above those pieces, the next set of ten pieces appear. The inverted coaster has the most variety, but most of the pieces fall into the following categories: "lift hills," "360-degree helixes" and short straight or 45-degree curved tracks at 150-, 100-, or 50-feet in height (that accounts for twelve pieces already); some "special" pieces like loops or (for the inverted) a cobra roll. And that's about it. The game is sort of faithful to physics. The "train" will cruise along at 5.1 miles per hour (?!) on straight track. If you build a hill too high to get over (which means a hill that's the same height or higher than your previous hill), the train hesitates, then with a loud crashing sound detaches from the track and flies to the ground. Then you get to watch your entire coaster structure fall over piece by piece. Curved pieces of track actually fall below ground level but remain visible. It's a visual mess. Then you're thrown back into the editor, where you can't actually edit the track. You have to basically delete the entire thing and start over from scratch. As far as the graphics go, their marginal. The game has a 3D fog feature. Yippee. :-P The nighttime sequence looks infinitely better than the day. The ground has bizarre crosshatched white lines running all over it, as if the ride were set on a neat-freaks' airport runway. You can choose to include "realistic 3D trees" which to me look like cardboard cutouts. None of the trees or lampposts that you add can be re-oriented; you have to drop them in at the angle they appear. The steel track looks like Ultra-Coaster's: standard Arrow issue. The wood track is ludicrous. It looks like two paper cutouts standing side by side, a child's construction-paper version of a rollercoaster. If you want to sit in the front seat on a ride, you have to use a 1-car train. If you want to sit in the back, you use a 4-car train. You can choose different ground textures, but except for "sand" they all look pretty tacky. You can vary the land to several different preset forms. If you do that after you've built a ride, the land basically swallows your coaster. For some of the more hilly forms, the designers give you little tunnels you can direct your track through. Very thoughtful of them.... I can't believe that with the stunning advances made by Ultra-Coaster and No Limits, that Pantera would put out such a sloppy piece of software. It resembles a high school project in 3D programming that never got completed. If you want a good design and simulation tool, get Ultra-Coaster or RCT. I hate to say it, but even Sim Coaster is better! :-P Heck, even Disney's old Coaster is better! Coaster enthusiasts may want to purchase this just to have something vaguely coaster-like in their collection. Although that's a noble pursuit, I'd hate to put any more money in Pantera's pocket for this debacle. Jay, who was obviously disappointed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crontman@aol.com Mon Mar 19 13:38:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 38821 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:38:10 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.cb.f1799bb (17530) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:38:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:38:04 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Great Viper To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com Mark, Actually, I have never been on a hyper coaster. When I said that it was the most intense dropt I'd seen, I'd actually meant "been on." Dave R. From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 13:42:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:42:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 54515 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:42:43 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.df.11f0538b (4222) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:41:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:41:28 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Pictures of YOU KNOW WHAT! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit its to short to have a obbsession over [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crontman@aol.com Mon Mar 19 13:49:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:49:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 53011 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 21:48:57 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.6b.116580c3 (17530) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:48:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6b.116580c3.27e7d8b9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:48:41 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com In a message dated 3/19/2001 6:54:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, CPMForce@aol.com writes: << That's what I said. Kracken is by far the best floorless coaster. It's the only one with forces that harsh. Have all of you who say Medusa and B:KF are the best, have you been on Kracken? >> Nope. Never been on Kraken but I REALLY want to. Dave R. From stephanie@stealyourface.com Mon Mar 19 14:00:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie@stealyourface.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:00:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 80092 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail15b.boca15-verio.com) (208.55.91.59) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:00:37 -0000 Received: from www.stealyourface.com (131.103.239.77) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.58s) with SMTP id 04740649 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:00:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB6901B.B9AF2DB9@stealyourface.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:02:51 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster References: <6b.116580c3.27e7d8b9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Stephanie Beck Kraken is the only floorless coaster that I have been on...and I think it is fantastic. If you want to read my review of it, go to: http://coasterchick.com/tr_kraken.htm And photos can be found at: http://coasterchick.com/krakenphotos.htm http://coasterchick.com/krakenmediaday.htm Stephanie From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 14:01:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:01:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 1502 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 23:02:11 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.c8.11eb9cc6 (4222) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:00:48 EST Subject: ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thinking about joining ACE but im not sure if its worth it. My parents arnt really for it (by the way im 13) but if theirs lots of advantages they said they would let me join. Is it worth it? Since I live in NY (long island). Penn. and Jersy parks are the closest. Is there lots of events and stuff i could go to? Any info would be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 14:02:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:02:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 85847 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:02:53 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.ce.1231370c (4222) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:02:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:02:43 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable << That's what I said.=A0 Kracken is by far the best floorless coaster.=A0 = It's=20 the=20 only one with forces that harsh.=A0 Have all of you who say Medusa and B:KF= =20 are=20 the best, have you been on Kracken? >> That ride looks great but for now I think Medusa at SFGAdv is the best, unt= il=20 i can get on the others I think I will keep that vote. How good is the Medu= sa=20 at SFMW?=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Mar 19 14:08:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:08:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 19867 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:08:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:08:07 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNW/aU1j77UeLlfZkHmAkxVg=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYW54HXM; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:07:51 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:07:07 -0600 Subject: QUESTION: Sim Coaster Message-ID: <20010319.160708.-763079.5.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6 From: "Nate K." In his excellent review of 3-D Coaster Builder, Jay mentioned Sim Coaster. Has anyone played this game? I'm wondering if it's decent or if it's as bad as Sim Theme Park. Any thoughts on the game would be appreciated. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 19 14:09:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 1808 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:09:14 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07343 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:09:13 -0600 Message-Id: <200103192209.QAA07343@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:09:13 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "STINO999@aol.com" at Mar 19, 2001 05:00:48 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > I was thinking about joining ACE but im not sure if its worth it. My parents > arnt really for it (by the way im 13) but if theirs lots of advantages they Well, it's a good organization to support (as far as all of their preservation work goes). The publications are good .. even though I find out a lot of stuff on-line before the newsletters come out, there are always extra articles in there that I love to read (ie: thunderbolt). It's really not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things either, so I would say that you should support the community, and go for it! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From cameronbw@aol.com Mon Mar 19 14:12:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:12:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 12745 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:12:37 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.cc.1244809c (17534) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:12:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:12:10 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Oh my, the crowds! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated 3/18/01 4:24:51 PM Canada Central Standard Time, crewie@voyager.net writes: << ~Teresa >> Just a question are you Teresa Guzman who did the Scream Parks viper description? Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks talk with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 14:15:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:15:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 20982 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:15:40 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.bc.11e40895 (4222) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:15:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:15:27 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Well, it's a good organization to support (as far as all of their preservation work goes). The publications are good .. even though I find out a lot of stuff on-line before the newsletters come out, there are always extra articles in there that I love to read (ie: thunderbolt). It's really not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things either, so I would say that you should support the community, and go for it! << Thanks alot for the info. Is there other organizations that are better then ace. Event wise anyway. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Mar 19 14:18:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 38320 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:18:20 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id QAA137475620 Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:13:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB68682.11BF9EB2@gte.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:21:54 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Sim Coaster References: <20010319.160708.-763079.5.coasterdude18@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash "Nate K." wrote: > In his excellent review of 3-D Coaster Builder, Jay mentioned Sim > Coaster. Has anyone played this game? I'm wondering if it's decent or > if it's as bad as Sim Theme Park. Any thoughts on the game would be > appreciated. > Everything that I've seen of it, it's just the sequel to Sim Theme Park. They changed the name since "Roller Coaster" sells really well, and instead of the 4 themes you had in the original, it had 3 different ones. Play is supposed to be identical, without any major enhancements, and only a couple of minor ones. Had a lot of people tell me that your feelings for Sim Theme Park will be about the same for Sim Coaster- if you liked it, you'll like this one. If you didn't, don't waste your money. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From mike_ska@yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 14:45:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 22:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 13995 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 22:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 22:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4903.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.28) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 23:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319224508.26123.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.210.241.103] by web4903.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:45:08 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:45:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <82.85b4e1b.27e77727@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan -Have all of you > who say Medusa and B:KF are > the best, have you been on Kracken? No i havent, the floorless aspect of the ride did nothing for me, but the rides themselves were good. As i said before, i loved the camel-back roll-over, BKF wasn't that great but it was still fun. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Mrkwilson@aol.com Mon Mar 19 15:45:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 23:45:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 46295 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 23:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 23:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 23:45:42 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.35.124391d7 (17081) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:45:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35.124391d7.27e7f417@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:45:27 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a very sad day. I have finally realized that Cedar Point of=20 Sanduskey, Ohio is no longer the best roller coaster collection in the worl= d.=20 Yes, Six Flags Magic Mountain has a better collection. *weep* Those who hav= e=20 been on Golioth say that it is better that Milleniun Force. Riddler's Reven= ge=20 is better than the Manis. *sniff* Batman is better than the Raptor. Colossu= s=20 is better than the Mean Streak. Viper is better than the Corkscrew, and so= =20 W...what?? Goliath is NOT better than the Force and Colossus is NOT better= =20 than Mean Streak. Well, actually I think they both stink but still Goliath= =20 is NOT better than Millennium Force!! The coaster lineup may be better=20 thanks to X and d=E9j=E0 vu but the service you get from any Six Flags park= will=20 never be as good as the Point's. By service I mean cleanliness, friendline= ss=20 of employees, SECURITY, and so on. Also, CP may just be waiting for a real= ly=20 good ride idea instead of a crappy prototype that does backflips. I think= =20 that the mountain is just temporarily ahead and that CP will soon blow all= =20 other parks out of the water. I wouldn't bash my homepark unless I knew it= =20 was true. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 16:09:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 00:09:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2017 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 00:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 00:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 00:09:28 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.12.a4d8ee3 (25516) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:09:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12.a4d8ee3.27e7f9a5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:09:09 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Nate, On the CP and SFMM comparison, left out the ones that I have never been on, except I have never been on Goliath. The Coast to Coaster tour people when to both on the same trip, and "gave a nod to Goliath" because of the airtime and helix. Altogether, you seem to say that the ones that I haven't been on were better at the Mountain. -Mark Devries (who loves ROLLER coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 16:41:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 00:41:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 76470 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 00:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 00:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 00:41:11 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.7d.1278d5e7 (25516) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:40:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7d.1278d5e7.27e80117@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:40:55 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Patents To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com I just want to clear something up. The stuff that I said was patented has not been done yet. Jon went looking for it, and it's not there. I assure you, however, that it WILL be there in less than eight days. Sorry, I just thought I would try to stretch time for my intro. :-) -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 16:50:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 00:50:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18511 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 00:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 00:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 00:50:21 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.4d.8f4936c (25516) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:50:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4d.8f4936c.27e8034b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:50:19 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com STINO999: YES!!!!! If you really like roller coasters, JOIN! Here are the benifites: **a big quarterly color magazine **a large bimonthly newsletter **a membership directory **invatations to a large number of events (with lots of ERT) that I hear are incredible, but havent been to yet There is no reason not to join! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 16:53:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 00:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6626 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 00:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 00:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 00:52:23 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.bc.11df88ed (25516) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:52:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:52:09 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com STINO999: Medusa at SFMW is the same as the one as SFGAdv. but a little taller. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 16:56:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 00:56:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 20613 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 00:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 00:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 00:55:54 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.e3.11eadaeb (25516) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:55:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:55:44 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com STINO999: Chsck out: www.aceonline.org -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 17:05:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 01:05:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 44347 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r15.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:05:02 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.1e.12d89070 (25516) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:04:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e.12d89070.27e806ad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:04:45 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Mark, WHAT??? When you say, "thay both stink" you don't mean MF and Goliath, do you? Also, anything is better than Mean Streak! I love Cedar Point, but I think SFMM is catching up now, if not ahead. I REALLY HOPE NOT, THOUGH. Also, I would do ANYTHING to believe that CP has something really big up it's sleeve. We all have such different opinions about this, it's amazing! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 17:09:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 01:09:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 46976 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 01:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 01:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r13.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:09:19 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.18.a678708 (18257) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:09:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18.a678708.27e807ab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:08:59 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got to convice my parents now! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 17:10:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 01:10:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 49751 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 01:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 01:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 02:11:16 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.c9.e2dac0b (18257) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:10:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:10:06 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you sure because im always reading that it has a competly different layout. Also the serpant roles are in the one at SFMW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 19 17:20:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 01:20:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 74108 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 01:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 01:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:20:32 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08579 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:20:31 -0600 Message-Id: <200103200120.TAA08579@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:20:31 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <18.a678708.27e807ab@aol.com> from "STINO999@aol.com" at Mar 19, 2001 08:08:59 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > Just got to convice my parents now! Bargen with them. Tell them you'll give up something, like a new pair of shoes, or even a CD or whatever .. It's just $50 for one whole year, it's really not a lot of money! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Mar 19 17:44:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 01:44:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 49360 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 01:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 01:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r20.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.162) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:44:19 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f5.82ba3f9 (25516) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:44:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:44:11 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com I must be wrong then. I'm so used to all of those SF clones floating around. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Mar 19 17:52:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 01:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 46901 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 01:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 01:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 02:53:17 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN+nn211ROrJx13Bwu9GZgfA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYXJWGMX; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:51:45 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:51:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster Message-ID: <20010319.195114.-385295.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-9 From: "Nate K." > Medusa at SFMW is the same as the one as SFGAdv. but a little > taller. Medusa West is similar to Medusa East, but they are *not* the same ride. Medusa West is slightly taller, but the most obvious difference between the two coasters is that Medusa East has a cobra roll while Medusa West has a sea serpent. Both coasters share the same elements otherwise. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 17:53:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 01:53:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 49907 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.a1.12b99813 (18257) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:53:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:53:08 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yea im sure that there different [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Mar 19 19:30:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 03:30:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 7210 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 03:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 03:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 03:30:32 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id VAA112877828 Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:30:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB6CFB1.2BAACDD7@gte.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:34:09 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs References: <200103200120.TAA08579@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hmm, mind if a parent butts in on you guys? It is great that you are enthusiastic about ACE, and it is a good organization. But there are a couple of things that your parents are probably looking for: What are you going to get out of it for your $50 beside a magazine? Is there ERT time available at a park near you and on a date and time that you can get to? If not, it's not going to be worth it to them. And since you are 13, that means that they are going to have to get some thing out of it since they are the ones paying for it and shuttling you around if anything does come up. I would say your best option is to find a way to earn the money yourself, whether from your parents or doing jobs for the neighbors. Then you will have earned the money, can spend it yourself, and it's not your parents doing it for you. And they won't have anywhere near as many reservations either since you will have done it yourself. Keep on ridin' George Cameron Silver wrote: > > Just got to convice my parents now! > > Bargen with them. Tell them you'll give up something, like a new pair > of shoes, or even a CD or whatever .. It's just $50 for one whole year, > it's really not a lot of money! > > -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 19 19:41:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 03:41:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 33717 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 03:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 03:41:43 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f2.86c666d (3989) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:41:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:41:35 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>I would say your best option is to find a way to earn the money yourself, whether from your parents or doing jobs for the neighbors.=A0 Then you will have earned the money, can spend it yourself, and it's not your parents doi= ng it for you.=A0 And they won't have anywhere near as many reservations eithe= r since you will have done it yourself.<< I do make the money myself. I have a job at a petstore that my friends dad= =20 owns so money isnt a problem. The problem here is getting around. Anywere=20 past Penn. is going to be a problem. Thanks for the imput though.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Mar 19 19:54:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 03:54:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 48959 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 03:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 03:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 03:53:45 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id VAA72718009 Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:47:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB6D521.D48D6578@gte.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:57:21 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: ADM: Guidelines to replying to posts References: <1e.12d89070.27e806ad@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hey guys. Been great seeing so much activity on the list, and I've enjoyed reading everyone's posts. Just want to drop a couple of friendly reminders for when you are posting and replying. First, before you post, read the list guidelines. You got a link to them when you signed on, and should have read them already. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go read them now. They are at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/Guidelines.txt That means please use proper headings in your posts, and make sure the subject is accurate. If you change what you are talking about in a reply, change the subject line to. In replies, PLEASE NOTE: quote the part of the message that you are replying to. For example, I came accross this today: >Just got to convice my parents now!< That was the whole entire message. Now I know what it was refering to, but not everyone will. Convince them of what? Why? Quote the previous message so that we know what you are talking about. But also edit it down to just the important parts. We don't need to see all the stuff at the bottom for example. Also please make sure that when you reply you are adding something to the conversation. Don't just say that a ride is lame, or excellent, but why. Add detail. Convince us. Give us a reason to read your posts. Enough of the soapbox. Just to clarify, I had no one person in mind, so if you took something personally, don't. It wasn't meant personal or aimed at any specific person. Just a reminder for all of us on the list- including me! Thanks for your cooperation, and keep them posts a 'comin' Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Mar 19 19:56:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 03:56:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 54115 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 03:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 03:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 03:55:56 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.df.11f014c0 (15708) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:55:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:55:41 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com <> You haven't even been on MF. PLEASE don't judge rides that you don't know....there's NO WAY Goliath is better than MF. MF is Intamin, and Intamin is king. BTW, X-Looks like crap...... Josh From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Mar 19 20:25:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 04:25:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 44099 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 04:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 04:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 04:25:36 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA73123281 Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:18:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB6DC98.EA3C6963@gte.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:29:12 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash MxPx2@aol.com wrote: > You haven't even been on MF. PLEASE don't judge rides that you don't know....there's NO WAY Goliath is better than MF. MF is Intamin, and Intamin is king. > BTW, X-Looks like crap...... > I haven't had the privilege of riding MF, and don't know that I ever will (maybe years down the road, but who knows). But being a Magic Mountain local, I can speak for Goliath, which was a great coaster, although it was tamed a bit later in the year. But of those that I have heard from that have been on both, MF seems to usually get the nod as the better of the two. Don't know about the Intamin being king part though Josh. I know a lot of B&M fans who would seriously argue that point. I'm not to picky. Whoever builds a great coaster gets high marks in my book, which includes Intamin, B&M, Giovanola, CCI, GCI, and yes- even Arrow (sorry guys, as discussed on CT before, I haven't riden a bad arrow. And still really like Viper) And for an example of a horrible Intamin, just see Flashback at SFMM! As for X- my biggest disappointment is how slow the construction is going at this point. I'm most worried about it not being finished in time for me to be able to ride it. But if I do, I'll let you know how good it is. But I can't say much looks like crap until it's built, although those early pics of the Tilt coaster scared me some! Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From lance@screamscape.com Mon Mar 19 20:31:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 04:31:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 41560 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 04:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 04:31:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 04:31:30 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA49564 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:31:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id LtC0rxI2 Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:31:29 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <000601c0b0f6$8fad0c20$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:30:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" From: > You haven't even been on MF. PLEASE don't judge rides that you don't know....there's NO WAY Goliath is better than MF. MF is Intamin, and Intamin is king. > BTW, X-Looks like crap...... Ahem... what happened to "PLEASE don't judge rides that you don't know"? I'm hoping that was a bit of sarcasm. No one can say anything right now about how X will turn out. Worst Case - It will be a rough ride and too painful to enjoy. Best - It will blow away any other coaster on the planet for it's truly unique design. There are hundreds of levels in between those two... the same areas where virtually every other coaster live. As for "Intamin in King", we can easily go back and point out many of Intamin's great failures. The problems experienced by many park's who bought their Giant Drops. PKI seemed to have many technical problems with their Gyro Drop Zone The deaths from their first Freefall version when it rolled back into the drop shaft due to a high wind and the lack of roll-backs... How many of their River Rapids rides have FLIPPED over the last two summers, killing or injuring riders? Ask Knott's how Perilous Plunge missed the summer season. Superman: The Escape missed it's first summer... opening 9 months late. The various problems with Volcano: The Blast Coaster that took until the ride's second season to get worked out so it could run with all of the seats installed to the trains. The one and only Intamin Space Diver... Flashback at SFMM. Ask anyone who rode Wild Wild West at MovieWorld in Germany how they liked the ride the first season on the original trains. These are just a few off the top of my head mind you... Until a couple of years ago, if you were to mention the words "Intamin" and "coaster"... the vision of a world class coaster ride would never pop into your mind. Since they Intamin have really cleaned up their act as far as their Coaster division is concerned and they are putting out some of the world's greatest rides lately after taking a few lessons in design from their wayward children who formed B&M. From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Mar 19 21:12:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 05:12:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 14661 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 05:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 05:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 05:12:58 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.ac.121f253b (15888) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:12:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:12:50 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com <> You mean a horrible Giovanola? sorry, but that ride may have the Intamin name on it, but it wasn't designed or built by them. Also, at the time, remember who designed for them (B&M) Later, Josh From lance@screamscape.com Mon Mar 19 22:25:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 06:25:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 60603 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 06:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 06:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 06:25:57 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA72032 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id EjI0knO2 Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:25:54 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <00d201c0b106$87f25660$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:25:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" From: > < of a horrible Intamin, just see Flashback at SFMM!>> > > You mean a horrible Giovanola? > sorry, but that ride may have the Intamin name on it, but it wasn't designed or built by them. Also, at the time, remember who designed for them (B&M) Giovanola can't be given the credit for any of the Intamin attractions any more than the Ohio Steel Mill can be given credit for the B&M's produced in the USA. Giovanola just makes the actual steel parts of rides from plans provided by ride designers. The company has been around for decades and has provided coaster tracks for Intamin, B&M, and I believe even Schwarzkopf. They just built the parts from the plans provided by Intamin or whoever. Only now have they come out and designed their own hardware for a few rides. (Goliath, Titan, and Anaconda (Inverted in South Africa) Giovanola did build the hardware for Flashback... but they didn't design it. And you are correct... B&M were working for Intamin at the time the Space Diver came out. I believe I read an interview with them about their involvement in it and they claimed to have only worked on the trains themselves. Giovanola made a marketing mistake by displaying Flashback on their advertisements, mostly because they didn't have any standing rides of their own to promote at the time. You've noticed that these ads disappeared very quickly once word got back to them about the reputation the Space Diver has recieved in the industry. I've also seens early Giovanola ads showing off the first gen. Intamin Freefall towers as well as a clone of the SFMM "Shockwave" that I believe lives at La Ronde. From PatCookY2K@juno.com Mon Mar 19 23:21:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: patcooky2k@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 07:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 35072 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 07:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 07:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m27.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.90) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 08:22:51 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ZNburrZH6QUt59vfJlG0iW4Y02jCfrUrNhSShH5lR9detYypk4pIHA=="> Received: (from patcooky2k@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYX5SCX2; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:21:33 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:20:30 -0800 Subject: Coaster Question Message-ID: <20010320.022032.-4054955.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: PatCookY2K@juno.com I have a qustion about a coaster that I heard was going up close to me. It's supposed to be a Stealth clone. Six Flags America is supposed to have it and all it Batwing. Is it scheduled to open this summer? Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Mar 20 00:35:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 08:35:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 63221 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 08:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 08:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 09:36:36 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNuhvecPRUECRD6aNsZgVGqA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYX9YZX8; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:35:06 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:34:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Batwing Message-ID: <20010320.023437.-691285.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-12,19-20,22-26,27-32767 From: "Nate K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have a qustion about a coaster that I heard was going up close to > me. > It's supposed to be a Stealth clone. Six Flags America is supposed > to > have it and all it Batwing. Is it scheduled to open this summer? Six Flags America will be constructing Batwing, a Vekoma flying coaster similar in layout to Stealth (the major differences are that riders will experience Batwing's corkscrews on the inside rather than on the outside like Stealth and Batwing will include an extra helix before the brakes). Six Flags Worlds of Adventure (Ohio) is also building a clone of this ride; theirs will be called X-Flight. Both should open this summer. For more info check out: http://www.screamscape.com/News___Rumors/North_America/Six_Flags_Parks__A -L_/six_flags_parks__a-l_.html and http://www.thrillride.com/2001preview/batwing/batwing.html -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:25:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 13:25:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 42846 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 13:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 13:25:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r13.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 13:25:47 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.b9.c5e7c4a (3706) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:25:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:25:35 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-19 22:43:28 EST, STINO999 gets: << [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> Everybody, Notice that nothing appears on RCT except plain text. Try no to put other things in your posts as they will not appear. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Tue Mar 20 05:28:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 13:28:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 60977 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 13:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 13:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 13:28:08 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA8E1FA0011C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:26:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c0b141$5945a160$7600070a@jducharme> To: "RC-Talk" Subject: MISC: SROS video Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:26:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone! After a long dormancy, I've finally updated my website. I've uploaded a video I made of 6FNE's SROS, for those of you curious about it. It's a tiny MPG (at a whopping 4 meg), but it should give all of you a good sense of how it differs from the other SROS that Intamin made. Enjoy! http://www.karenandjay.com Just click on the rollercoaster icon, and then "Front Seat Rides." SROS isn't from the front seat, though... :-( Jay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:34:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 13:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 61781 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 13:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 13:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 13:34:16 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.a8.12b1ffad (3706) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:34:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:34:00 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-19 22:57:32 EST, Josh wrote: << X-Looks like crap...... >> Yay! I'm partial to Cedar Point, and if any park threatens to be better coasterwise, I will hate it even if it's the best park in the world. SFMM looks better, so now I hate it...:-) Now what I'm really dreading is Cameron writing a long list of parks with better coaster line-ups than Cedar Point... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:38:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 13:38:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 64541 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 13:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 13:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 13:36:20 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.31.12093cab (3706) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:36:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <31.12093cab.27e8b6c1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:36:01 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-19 22:57:32 EST, an evil person writes: << BTW >> What does that stand for? The WOC page is gone, so I can't look it up. From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:44:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 13:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 4889 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 13:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 13:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 14:44:29 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.4c.1255d2ae (3706) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:43:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4c.1255d2ae.27e8b864@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:43:00 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Batwing To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-20 03:36:33 EST, George writes: << Six Flags Worlds of Adventure (Ohio) is also building a clone of this ride; theirs will be called X-Flight. >> I thought Batwing was supposed to be different... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 05:45:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 13:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 72766 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 13:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 13:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 13:41:15 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.a0.11a45231 (3706) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:40:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:40:55 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Question To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-20 02:22:53 EST, Pat writes: << It's supposed to be a Stealth clone. Six Flags America is supposed to have it and all it Batwing. Is it scheduled to open this summer? >> Yes, it is supposed to open this summer. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Tue Mar 20 06:14:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 14:14:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 87527 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 14:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 14:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 15:15:02 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A54B203A011C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c0b147$c0665460$7600070a@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Sim Coaster Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:12:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >Jay mentioned Sim Coaster. Has anyone played this game? I'm wondering if it's decent or >if it's as bad as Sim Theme Park.< It *is* Sim Theme Park. All Bullfrog did is substitute different scenarios, a different name and insert a female Advisor instead of the original male one. Other than that, it's the same annoying memory hog that it was before. I do like the ability to place myself anywhere on the midway, but the rides and characters are so ludicrous that it takes all the fun out of it for me. I also don't like being hounded by the Advisor every three seconds telling me that my employees are going on strike and demand higher wages. All my time in that game is spent managing money. I like amusement parks, not accountancy firms. Jay From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Tue Mar 20 06:17:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 14:17:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 75549 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 15:18:22 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6132055011C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c0b148$37913a00$7600070a@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ACE and other coaster Clubs Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:15:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >Thanks alot for the info. Is there other organizations that are better then >ace. Event wise anyway.< That depends upon which area of the country you're in. There are lots of regional coaster clubs. My fave is the Western New York Coaster Club, which publishes the terrific Gravity Gazette. IMO, ACE charges an awful lot of money, and though I really like Rollercoaster! magazine, it's not worth $50 a year to me. I simply don't have time to go to all their events to make the membership dues worthwhile. Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Mar 20 06:51:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 14:51:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 51685 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 14:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 14:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 14:51:40 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12824 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:51:39 -0600 Message-Id: <200103201451.IAA12824@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:51:39 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "CPMForce@aol.com" at Mar 20, 2001 08:34:00 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > Now what I'm really dreading is Cameron writing a long list of parks with > better coaster line-ups than Cedar Point... hahaha .. Fear not my young friend, for I too love Cedar Point! I have no interest in making it look bad. Like I said before, Cedar Point has an energy and vibe about it that very few other parks can match .. and it's that which makes it one of the best parks in the world. Good coasters is not the ONLY thing that makes a park good. IE: When I was in LA in January, I opted to go to Knott's rather than Magic Mountain. I don't regret my decission, and when I go back (June), I will probably stick with Knott's again. I haven't been to Magic Mountain, but I've been to plenty of Six FLags parks, and they all seem kind of 'bleagh'. Knott's, on the other hand, was awesome! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Mar 20 07:31:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 15:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 68058 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 15:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 15:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 16:32:41 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNltjlJmqrrYt6lVQVfbu7Yg=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYYZTLUX; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:34 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:30:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Batwing Message-ID: <20010320.093104.-656849.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-10 From: "Nate K." > << Six Flags Worlds of Adventure (Ohio) is also building a clone of > this > ride; theirs will be called X-Flight. >> > I thought Batwing was supposed to be different... No, Batwing and X-Flight will be exactly the same. It's Vekoma, remember--kinig of clones. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Mar 20 07:31:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 15:31:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 60218 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 15:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 15:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNltjlJmqrrYvr7btn2VWi3Q=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYYZTLRA; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:34 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:29:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question Message-ID: <20010320.093104.-656849.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,8-11 From: "Nate K." > << BTW >> > What does that stand for? The WOC page is gone, so I can't look it > up. The WOC may be gone, but the abbreviations are not--George uploaded a list of them into the file section of RollerCoasterTalk. You can see them at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/abbrevs.txt . BTW stands for "By the way". -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 20 10:12:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 18:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 93343 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 18:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 18:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 19:12:51 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id MAA73904368 Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:05:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB79E3B.6C4F6392@gte.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:15:23 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain References: <200103201451.IAA12824@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Cameron Silver wrote: > Good coasters is not the ONLY thing that makes a park good. IE: When I was > in LA in January, I opted to go to Knott's rather than Magic Mountain. I > don't regret my decission, and when I go back (June), I will probably stick > with Knott's again. I haven't been to Magic Mountain, but I've been to plenty > of Six FLags parks, and they all seem kind of 'bleagh'. Knott's, on the other > hand, was awesome! > Ahhh, yes. Ignorance is bliss! ;-) Knotts is nice, but does not have anywhere near the number of coasters that SFMM does, and in fact only has 2 that are really worth riding- Ghost Rider and Montezuma's Revenge. Other than that, Knotts doesn't offer much. A couple of flat rides, a couple of water rides and nice areas to walk around and shop. On the other hand, you skip SFMM, you are missing S:TE, Viper, Ninja, Revolution, Batman:The Ride, Riddler's Revenge, Colossus, Goliath, and this year (hopefully) Deja-Vu and X. Plus they have the water rides. I'll admit the employees aren't as friendly as KBF, and the walking will take a bit more out of you since it's on a mountain. But if you haven't been there, you are missing out on a bunch of coasters- including some great ones (Goliath, Ridler, and S:TE are all among my favorites). You're only depriving yourself of a great experience. Ideally, you could do both, but if you can only do one park, then SFMM is the place to go Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Mar 20 10:25:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 18:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 41127 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 18:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 18:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 18:25:03 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14076 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:25:02 -0600 Message-Id: <200103201825.MAA14076@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:25:02 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <3AB79E3B.6C4F6392@gte.net> from "George Burnash" at Mar 20, 2001 10:15:23 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > > Good coasters is not the ONLY thing that makes a park good. IE: When I was > > in LA in January, I opted to go to Knott's rather than Magic Mountain. I > > Ahhh, yes. Ignorance is bliss! ;-) Aaahhh .. not so! I didn't say that Knott's was better than Magic Mountain (and I didn't mean to imply that) .. just that Knott's is more to my taste. I like the whole experiance that a park has to offer, and I think that the Six Flags parks don't necessarily offer the best experiance. If I lived in LA, I would probably perfer MM, simply because if the variety .. But when I only had one day to visit a park, I chose Knott's. (Ghostrider and Montazoomer's are both fantastic, btw!) It's really just a matter of opinion .. and what each person thinks makes a park great. I have no doubt that I will one day get to MM and really love the coasters there .. but I also have no doubt that if the world was ending tomorrow, I would rather spend my last day at a park like Knott's than MM. I guess huge parks just don't 'do it' for me. Sure, they have a more varied range of coasters, but I always end up enjoying the smaller parks more. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 13:55:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 21:55:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4787 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 21:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 21:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 22:53:51 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f8.8470b1f (17082) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:51:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:51:32 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Knott To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-20 14:39:08 EST, George writes: << Knotts is nice, but does not have anywhere near the number of coasters that SFMM does. >> ...but the point of going to a park is to have fun. If you do not enjoy going to a park because of the filthy surroundings and terrible service, and would rather go go a clean, well kept, and more fun park, even with less coasters, why not? How is that ignorance? [Notice that I'm hinting toward CP vs. SFMM again when I say that.] -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 13:57:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 21:57:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 97516 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 21:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 21:57:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 21:57:15 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.10.a5f111d (17082) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:56:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.a5f111d.27e92c01@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:56:17 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com From CPMForce@aol.com Tue Mar 20 14:29:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 22:29:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 99550 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 23:28:40 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.76.8bc7325 (17082) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:27:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <76.8bc7325.27e93342@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:27:14 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Mountain To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Sorry about that blank mail. I don't know how that happend. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Mar 20 14:38:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 22:38:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 50331 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 22:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 22:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 23:38:26 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.92.11f1faa9 (25513) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:36:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.11f1faa9.27e93554@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:36:04 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Knott To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/20/2001 5:00:39 PM Eastern Standard Time: > ...but the point of going to a park is to have fun. If you do not enjoy > going to a park because of the filthy surroundings and terrible service, > and > would rather go go a clean, well kept, and more fun park, even with less > coasters, why not? How is that ignorance? [Notice that I'm hinting toward > It's ignorance if someone has not been two the two exact parks. SFGrAdv is worse than SFMM in terms of rides, cleanliness, etc... And to tell the truth, I didn't see any differences between SFMM and BGT except the themed areas. Each park has its' good points, and then there's the bad points. I have been to all three parks. If someone has not been to CP and SFMM, then they have no right to base their views on just one SF park, ex: CP and SFWOA. That's just like saying all of the chains parks are bad just because of one experience with one park. I didn't care for KBF, but I don't downplay CP because of the parks affiliation with that park and CF. I guess my point is, don't comment on a park, if you've not been to both. If anyone's a fan of SFMM and wants to join my group, here's the link: Yahoo! Groups : TheSixFlagsMagicMountainGroup Keep Coasting - Never EVER Lose Sight of the THRILL! Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gocubs7@hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 14:45:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 22:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19871 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 22:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 22:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.33) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 22:44:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:44:23 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.24 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:44:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.24] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:44:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2001 22:44:23.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F62F960:01C0B18F] From: "Tim Schroll" << BTW >> What does that stand for? The WOC page is gone, so I can't look it up. To my understanding, that is "By the Way" Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Mar 20 14:55:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 22:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 76066 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 22:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 22:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 22:53:56 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15780 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:53:55 -0600 Message-Id: <200103202253.QAA15780@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Knott To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:53:55 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <92.11f1faa9.27e93554@aol.com> from "joe.dolce@mustangs.com" at Mar 20, 2001 05:36:04 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > I guess my point is, don't comment on a park, if you've not been to both. I didn't specifically comment on Magic Mountain. I said I chose to go to Knott's instead because I like the smaller parks over the bigger ones. I have been to several Six Flags parks and found them all to have similar atmosphere .. and it's one I don't particularly love. (I don't hate it, either). Now, Knott's AND Cedar Point both appealed to me a great deal and I rank both parks above other parks that may simply have better coasters. (This discussion started off from me saying a park is not necessarily good just because it may have a good selection of coasters). Even though Cedar Point IS a big (huge) park, it doesn't feel like one when you're there. I'm not saying that one park is BETTER than another, or one chain is BETTER than another .. I didn't even say that I would not like Magic Mountain ... I was just describing the type of park that appeals to ME. Six flags does not run that type of park. Note: I'm not even of the group who claims Six Flags parks are dirty, grotty piles of puke. The reasons I don't love these parks is because the food has always been average at best, the staff so-so, and the whole atmosphere of six flags seems to be one of "more, More, MORE", rather than "better". If all you care about is a lot of big rides, then GREAT .. you're in heaven at a Six Flags park! But MY PREFERENCE is more for park atmosphere/energy over rides, and Six Flags falls way short in that category. (As long as there are a few good rides, I'm happy!) My home park is Six Flags Great America - which is constantly called one of the best run Six Flags parks .. with Over Georgia and Magic Mountain .. Even the 'best' of the Six Flags group doesn't appeal to me as something like Knott's, Holiday World, Michigan's Adventure etc. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Mar 20 14:59:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 22:59:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 64458 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 22:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 22:59:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r13.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 22:59:24 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.8a.3ee5eed (2171) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:59:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8a.3ee5eed.27e93abd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:59:09 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Knott To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/20/2001 5:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: > > I guess my point is, don't comment on a park, if you've not been to both. > > I didn't specifically comment on Magic Mountain. I said I chose to go to > Knott's instead because I like the smaller parks over the bigger ones. I > have been to several Six Flags parks and found them all to have similar > atmosphere .. and it's one I don't particularly love. (I don't hate it, > either). > > Now, Knott's AND Cedar Point both appealed to me a great deal and I rank > both parks above other parks that may simply have better coasters. (This > discussion started off from me saying a park is not necessarily good just > because it may have a good selection of coasters). Even though Cedar Point > IS > a big (huge) park, it doesn't feel like one when you're there. > > I'm not saying that one park is BETTER than another, or one chain is BETTER > than another .. I didn't even say that I would not like Magic Mountain ... I > was just describing the type of park that appeals to ME. Six flags does > not run that type of park. > > Note: I'm not even of the group who claims Six Flags parks are dirty, grotty > piles of puke. The reasons I don't love these parks is because the food > has always been average at best, the staff so-so, and the whole atmosphere > of six flags seems to be one of "more, More, MORE", rather than "better". > > If all you care about is a lot of big rides, then GREAT .. you're in heaven > at a Six Flags park! But MY PREFERENCE is more for park atmosphere/energy > over rides, and Six Flags falls way short in that category. (As long as > there are a few good rides, I'm happy!) > > My home park is Six Flags Great America - which is constantly called one > of the best run Six Flags parks .. with Over Georgia and Magic Mountain .. > Even the 'best' of the Six Flags group doesn't appeal to me as something > like > Just for the record, I didn't single anyone out when responding, and I'm sorry if you thought I was Cameron Silver. It was not directed towards you or anyone in particular. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@juno.com Tue Mar 20 15:01:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 23:01:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 53130 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 23:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 23:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 00:02:00 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWpXeD9iMKQCcCW5Zkzz5DExm0iMr7tRTLA=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FYZTHSFN; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:00:35 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:52:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Knott Message-ID: <20010320.145231.-3867447.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-10,13,16-42,44-54 From: Xcoaster@juno.com I thought that SFMM was actually rather clean except for the trees covered with gum by Goliath. But I have seen that before many times, especially by rides with looooonnnnggggg lines. However, I do think that the staff at KBF are friendlier, but still SFMM's weren't that bad. We got a laugh from listening to some employees on the Orient Express (short monorail thing) lip sync to the automated voice on the speakers. And IMO I wouldn't say KBF is more fun. I say you can have your own opinion on what park you like more and I could see liking KBF more just for Ghostrider for the woodies, but I like SFMM more for its large variety of steel coasters. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:51:32 EST CPMForce@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 01-03-20 14:39:08 EST, George writes: > > << Knotts is nice, but does not have anywhere near the number of > coasters > that SFMM does. >> > > ...but the point of going to a park is to have fun. If you do not > enjoy > going to a park because of the filthy surroundings and terrible > service, and > would rather go go a clean, well kept, and more fun park, even with > less > coasters, why not? How is that ignorance? [Notice that I'm hinting > toward > CP vs. SFMM again when I say that.] > > -Mark Devries (who loves roller > coasters) > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Mar 20 15:08:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 23:08:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 31652 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 23:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 23:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 23:08:19 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15884 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:08:18 -0600 Message-Id: <200103202308.RAA15884@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Knott To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:08:18 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <8a.3ee5eed.27e93abd@aol.com> from "joe.dolce@mustangs.com" at Mar 20, 2001 05:59:09 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > Just for the record, I didn't single anyone out when responding, and I'm > sorry if you thought I was Cameron Silver. It was not directed towards you > or anyone in particular. Hah .. don't worry about it. It takes a lot more to impress me! To be honnest, it's actually a cool discussion.. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 20 15:24:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 23:24:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 23969 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 23:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 23:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 23:24:32 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA77605500 Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:17:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB7E789.7B01E083@gte.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:28:09 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Point vs. The Knott References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash CPMForce@aol.com wrote: > ...but the point of going to a park is to have fun. If you do not enjoy > going to a park because of the filthy surroundings and terrible service, and > would rather go go a clean, well kept, and more fun park, even with less > coasters, why not? How is that ignorance? It's ignorance because you have never been to SFMM, and just assume that it is that way. I can tell you from experience (only about 14 visits last year, and at least that many the year before) it is NOT filthy. The service is NOT terrible. In general the park is clean, and the service is very good. There are exceptions, as there are everywhere. The employees tend to be young, but most of them work hard and stive for the visitors to have a good experience. And I have witnessed some exceptional service when it comes to the kids' rides. If SFMM has any major problems, it is with some of the patronage- high school and college age "wannabe gangstas" or "wannabe skaters". These kids are loud, rude, obnoxious, dirty, often succeed in getting themselves thrown out of the park, and the vast minority of visitors. But I have seen several assume that because these kids like to hang out at the park (looking for a thrill like the rest of us) that therefore SFMM is dirty, filthy, and rude. Sorry, wrong generalization, and until you've been there, it is wrong to assume that. In fact I can point to a couple of parks that I have been to that would qualify as that much more than SFMM. Knotts, while maybe a bit friendlier, really isn't any cleaner. And it doesn't have anywhere near the number of thrills. I better stop rambling here before I really get carried away. ;-) Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From cameronbw@aol.com Tue Mar 20 18:47:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 02:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 20606 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 02:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 02:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 02:47:38 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.39.123b76e7 (15883) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:47:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:47:26 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <39.123b76e7.27e9703e@aol.com> From: cameronbw@aol.com " The deaths from their first Freefall version when it rolled back into the drop shaft due to a high wind and the lack of roll-backs..." I actually thought it was because of a poor (safty wise not efecency) operating mode where a char could be on the lift with no roll-backs while a second car could wait at the bottom of the shaft when something broke and the car being lifted droped and crushed the waitin car. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Mar 20 21:02:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 05:02:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 52407 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 05:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 05:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 05:02:47 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA72910 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id uxI0Q2P2 Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:02:46 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <004f01c0b1c4$184a4200$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <39.123b76e7.27e9703e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:02:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" From: > > " The deaths from their first Freefall version when it rolled back into the > drop > shaft due to a high wind and the lack of roll-backs..." > I actually thought it was because of a poor (safty wise not efecency) operating mode where a char could be on the lift with no roll-backs while a second car could wait at the bottom of the shaft when something broke and the car being lifted droped and crushed the waitin car. That was part of it as well... or rather another aspect of the accident. The old programming of the Freefall towers did allow for a car roll back into the bottom of the elevator shaft while there was still a car above it waiting to drop. After the roll back accident where the wind blew the car back into the shaft and dropped it on top of another car at the bottom two things were changed. An Anti-Rollback system was put it to prevent the cars from ever rolling back into the elevator shaft. The second change was to the ride's programming as a "just in case" anything odd ever were to happen again... so that the car will not enter the bottom of the elevator shaft until the prior car on the top has DROPPED and hit the brakes. The car hits a sensor when it drops into the brakes and only then will the next car back up the last few feet to engage the elevator shaft. Also, sometime over the last 5-6 years all of these rides seem to also have been retrofitted with evac. staircases. From CPMForce@aol.com Wed Mar 21 06:40:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 14:40:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 59696 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 14:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 14:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 15:41:32 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.7d.128fb448 (3755) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:40:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7d.128fb448.27ea1757@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:40:23 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] The Mountain vs. The Knott To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-20 17:43:12 EST, you write: << I guess my point is, don't comment on a park, if you've not been to both. >> That's true, I haven't been to Knott's but he HAS been there, and likes it more. I guess MY point is, if you have more fun at a park with less coasters, you have more fun there... and that's all there is to it. I would probably like a day at SFMM more, and apparently you would too, but that dosen't mean everyone would. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters, BUT KNOWS THAT THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY THINGS THAT MAKE A PARK GOOD) Take IOA, for example... From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Wed Mar 21 07:04:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 15:04:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 81510 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 15:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 15:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 15:04:51 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2B74F800AA; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: <006401c0b218$060194a0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:03:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >The old programming of the Freefall towers did allow for a car roll back >into the bottom of the elevator shaft while there was still a car above it >waiting to drop.< Think about this for a minute, though: if Intamin (certainly an experienced amusement company) can let a design flaw like that slip through, how are we to trust Giovanola with the absurdly dangerous concept of "Tilt?" Jay From CPMForce@aol.com Wed Mar 21 07:57:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 15:57:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 96352 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 15:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 15:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 15:57:42 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.4f.908a77d (17080) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:57:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4f.908a77d.27ea296f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:57:35 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-21 10:09:05 EST, you write: << if Intamin (certainly an experienced amusement company) can let a design flaw like that slip through, how are we to trust Giovanola with the absurdly dangerous concept of "Tilt?" >> We hang on tight and pray! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Wed Mar 21 07:59:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 15:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 79189 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 15:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 15:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 15:59:10 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.e8.12291b87 (17080) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:58:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:58:57 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-21 10:09:05 EST, you write: << how are we to trust Giovanola with the absurdly dangerous concept of "Tilt?" >> Wait a minute... isn't Vekoma the one doing the Tilt Coasters? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From asandy@depauw.edu Wed Mar 21 08:02:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 16:02:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10918 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 16:02:52 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1GFOVLIB499L89Q@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:02:20 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1GFOV509Y9ASQ3D@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:01:42 -0500 Subject: Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: Adam Sandy Message-id: <000b01c0b220$38af8b20$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: From: Adam Sandy > Wait a minute... > isn't Vekoma the one doing the Tilt Coasters? Gio & Vekoma both have ones on the drawing boards. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Wed Mar 21 09:24:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 17:24:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 44108 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 17:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 17:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.69) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 17:24:35 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2LHOY905231 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:24:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103211724.f2LHOY905231@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rhino Rally Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:24:34 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com Busch Gardens has a real cool interactive site at www.rhinorally.com check it out. Brian who loves amusement parks From CPMForce@aol.com Wed Mar 21 10:22:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 18:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 48610 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 18:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 18:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 19:22:54 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.7b.11e65001 (17081) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:21:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b.11e65001.27ea4b2e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:21:34 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rhino Rally To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-21 12:28:07 EST, Brian writes: << Busch Gardens has a real cool interactive site at www.rhinorally.com check it out. >> So Rhino Rally is really like a cross between a safari ride, (like Kilmonjaro at Animal Kingdom), and a rapids ride on a track? Is the rapids part on a regular track? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Wed Mar 21 10:23:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 18:23:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 12858 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 18:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 18:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 18:23:07 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.4b.9154b84 (17081) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:23:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b.9154b84.27ea4b87@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:23:03 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rhino Rally To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-21 12:28:07 EST, Brian writes: << Brian who loves amusement parks >> Hey! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Wed Mar 21 11:34:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 19:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 73756 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.94.11c397d6 (3972) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:32:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <94.11c397d6.27ea5bdf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:32:47 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com In a message dated 3/22/01 12:03:13 AM Taipei Standard Time, CPMForce@aol.com writes: > Wait a minute... > isn't Vekoma the one doing the Tilt Coasters? That was my question also, but a few weeks someone corrected me and stated both companies have a concept of the TILT coaster. Joe From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Wed Mar 21 11:36:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 19:36:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 54365 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 19:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 19:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 20:36:45 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.9f.12daaf4d (3972) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:35:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9f.12daaf4d.27ea5c88@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:35:36 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com In a message dated 3/22/01 12:03:43 AM Taipei Standard Time, asandy@depauw.edu writes: > Gio & Vekoma both have ones on the drawing boards. Vekoma has a replica of it on their web site called Cliffhanger. From what I understand one of them is actually building one for a park. I don't know how true this is though. I agree the concept is great, but it's dangerous and puts lives at risk more than any other coaster out there. Joe From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Wed Mar 21 11:39:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 19:39:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 90110 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 19:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 19:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 19:38:42 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.26.12e52cd9 (3972) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:38:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26.12e52cd9.27ea5d31@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:38:25 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rhino Rally To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com In a message dated 3/22/01 2:22:51 AM Taipei Standard Time, CPMForce@aol.com writes: > Is the rapids part on a regular track? Yes! I knew that park of this ride had to be on a track to protect the lives of the people and the animals. The track is under water. I'm not sure how they'll secure the Rover to the board, but we'll see soon enough. Joe From mike_ska@yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 11:42:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 19:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 54882 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 19:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 19:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 19:41:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010321194147.23165.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.71] by web4905.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:41:47 PST Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:41:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan > > << how are we > to trust Giovanola with the absurdly dangerous > concept of "Tilt?" >> > > Wait a minute... > isn't Vekoma the one doing the Tilt Coasters? Yeah they are both doing it, but i believe that vekoma's model is called the cliffhanger. Also at the IAAPA show gio had a tilt n' turn model, which would alow for three different tracks that would be voted on via an onboard computer system. This sounds like a good idea, but what if you ride it 10 times in one day (figure a 2 hour line each time) and get stuck on the same track each day. I would be pissed if that happened. Also, what if something happens where the breaks wont let go? (probably a more likely situation than if the let go to early) and your stuck there at 95 degrees *i think thats what they said*. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Wed Mar 21 11:42:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 19:42:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 54449 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 19:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 19:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.39) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 19:41:37 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2LJfa912923 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103211941.f2LJfa912923@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rhino Rally Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:41:36 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com So Rhino Rally is really like a cross between a safari ride, (like Kilmonjaro at Animal Kingdom), and a rapids ride on a track? Is the rapids part on a regular track?                                       -Mark Devries yes, its like that. yes the rapids part is on a track. Brian (who loves Amusement Parks) From CPMForce@aol.com Wed Mar 21 11:59:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 19:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 43804 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 19:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 19:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 19:58:53 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.37.12588ddb (25515) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:58:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37.12588ddb.27ea61e8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:58:32 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-21 14:39:31 EST, Joe writes: << it's [Tilt Coaster concept] dangerous and puts lives at risk more than any other coaster out there. >> I'm sure that they will have a locking system such as those on Intamin monorail doors. The track will not tilt unless the train is locked on to the track. Although I could be wrong... From CPMForce@aol.com Wed Mar 21 12:31:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 20:31:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 60590 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.93.8754060 (25515) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:29:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <93.8754060.27ea6935@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:29:41 EST Subject: TECH: Tilting To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Based upon how most saftey systems of that type (train doors, etc.) operate here's how I would guess the tilt coaster saftey features would work: The car moving onto the track and bumping onto an imposing piece of metal on the track triggers the movement of the tilting track. Then, when aligned with the 90 degree track, a power cable end will be aligned with another wire end of the same polarity, which will provide the electricity needed for the system to retract the imposing metal. If the track is not fully aligned, neither will the power cable, and there will be no electricity provided to allow the metal to retract. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From STINO999@aol.com Wed Mar 21 13:29:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 21:29:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 78068 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 21:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 21:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 22:28:08 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f4.83d3eba (7065) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:26:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:26:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Vekoma has a replica of it on their web site called Cliffhanger.<< What is the website? can you post a link?=A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Mar 21 13:57:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 21:57:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 98414 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 21:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 21:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 21:57:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tommytheduck@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.4.74] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2001 21:57:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:57:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MF Vs. Goliath Message-ID: <99b83c+53go@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 557 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 131.187.112.66 From: "Brian Farral" In my eyes, there's no comparison. MF has the best first drop of any coaster I've ever ridden while goliath has an extremely tall ramp. When I finally got to ride goliath, it was in september after many rides on MF. I had heard so much about this infamous helix but was sorely dissapointed. the midcourse brake brought the train ALMOST TO A COMPLETE STOP before the helix!!!! that's just unacceptable. so my question is... will Titan open with the intense helix, or will the soften it up on opening day? quack quack Brian F. (who likes ducks) From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Mar 21 14:12:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 22:12:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 61855 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 22:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 22:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 22:11:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:11:38 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:11:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:11:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 22:11:38.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6372FE0:01C0B253] From: "Chris Kearsing" >Vekoma has a replica of it on their web site called Cliffhanger. From what >I >understand one of them is actually building one for a park. I don't know >how >true this is though. I agree the concept is great, but it's dangerous and >puts lives at risk more than any other coaster out there. Vekoma is building a Cliffhanger coaster at Discovery Theme Park in Taiwan. It's called "Gravity Max." It looks pretty cool, but it's going to basically be a one trick wonder. There are pictures of it in the latest First Drop. It does the vertical drop into a near 270 degree banked turn, then a vertical loop, and a weird descending then ascending helix. The concept is similar to Oblivion, with some added trackage. The trains look pretty cool- very open. Track length is only 776 feet, and the top of the lift is 114 feet. When it tilts, the back car is 140 feet off the ground. The loop is 88 feet tall, and the top speed is supposed to be 56 miles an hour. It's expected that this ride will pull approx. 4.5 Gs. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Mar 21 15:48:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 23:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 86966 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 23:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 23:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 23:47:59 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA76550690 Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:41:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB93E88.19D2AA74@gte.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:51:36 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hey Chris! Good to see that you made it over!! Chris Kearsing wrote: > >Vekoma has a replica of it on their web site called Cliffhanger. > > Vekoma is building a Cliffhanger coaster at Discovery Theme Park in Taiwan. > It's called "Gravity Max." It looks pretty cool, but it's going to > basically be a one trick wonder. There are pictures of it in the latest > First Drop. Anyone know if there are pictures of it, or the construction, available on the web at all? I wasn't even able to find a site for the park when I searched, but I would love to see how this thing is looking. If not, can anyone scan in the pics from the magazine? Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Mar 21 15:52:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 23:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 15886 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 23:52:24 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA73135922 Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:45:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AB93F92.1F8BA32A@gte.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:56:02 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MF Vs. Goliath References: <99b83c+53go@eGroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash >quack quack >Brian F. (who likes ducks) Another of the regulars I was wondering about. The woodworks are opening up!! Brian Farral wrote: > so my question is... will Titan open with the intense helix, or will > the soften it up on opening day? > Actually Titan won't be exactly the same as Goliath. It has an additional helix on it in between the midcourse and where the helix is on Goliath (sounds wierd I know, but it works). My guess is that this added helix is partially to help slow the train down in a more natural way before hitting the lower one so that it won't be as intense and won't need the brakes as much. I'm curious to see how it works out, and am still holding out a vain hope that I might be able to get out to SFoT this year to find out. If I do, I'll be sure to let you know. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Mar 21 16:21:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 00:21:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 71811 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 00:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 00:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 00:21:02 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.dd.11e65b07 (15891) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from web33.aolmail.aol.com (web33.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.9]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:20:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:20:57 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com <> This is VERY true, Jay. In fact, i'm quite scared of "tilt" or "tilt & turn" and what not...i mean, come on even Vekoma's attempting this, and i don't trust them for much, either. Josh From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Wed Mar 21 17:05:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 01:05:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 14134 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r13.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 01:05:17 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.5b.13871cbe (3703) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:04:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5b.13871cbe.27eaa9ae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:04:46 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/21/2001 7:23:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, MxPx2@aol.com writes: > < amusement company) can let a design flaw like that slip through, how are we > to trust Giovanola with the absurdly dangerous concept of "Tilt?" > > Jay>> > > This is VERY true, Jay. In fact, i'm quite scared of "tilt" or "tilt & > turn" and what not...i mean, come on even Vekoma's attempting this, and i > don't trust them for much, either. > > Curiosity sets in. First, how did Intamin let a design flaw pass through? Which ride, park, and when was it built? Second, why would one not trust Vekoma? This is not meant for anyone to get defensive, I'm curious why others would feel this way. Never, Ever, Lose Sight of the THRILL ! Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Wed Mar 21 18:25:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 02:25:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 52118 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 02:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 02:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.68) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 02:25:21 -0000 Received: from none (242818hfc168.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.18.168]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2M2PK004178 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:25:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016001c0b28f$78fa2220$a8121c18@tampabay.rr.com> To: Subject: Busch Gardens Asks Some Foreign Tourists to Avoid Animal Tours Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:18:04 -0800 Organization: Aquarena MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "cosTanza" http://ap.tbo.com/ap/florida/MGAFT2DJLKC.html -Brian From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Wed Mar 21 18:47:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 02:47:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 11113 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 02:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 02:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 02:47:51 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.cc.1265fd09 (3703) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:46:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:46:57 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/21/2001 4:29:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, STINO999@aol.com writes: > >>Vekoma has a replica of it on their web site called Cliffhanger.<< > > What is the website? can you post a link? > Home [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Mar 21 23:18:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 07:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 52931 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 07:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 07:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 07:18:12 -0000 Received: from DRRGW933 (sbe-pm3-1-19.jvlnet.com [216.145.179.34]) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA11110 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:18:05 -0600 To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:18:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010319.195114.-385295.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> From: "Dave Rounds" What is the difference between a "Cobra roll" and a "Sea Serpent"? Dave -----Original Message----- Medusa West is slightly taller, but the most obvious difference between the two coasters is that Medusa East has a cobra roll while Medusa West has a sea serpent. Both coasters share the same elements otherwise. From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Mar 21 23:52:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 07:52:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6332 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 07:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 07:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 08:53:43 -0000 Received: from DRRGW933 (sbe-pm3-1-19.jvlnet.com [216.145.179.34]) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA17923 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:52:33 -0600 To: Subject: Introduction Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:53:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <51.8df61d1.27e5121a@aol.com> From: "Dave Rounds" Hi all, I just wanted to give a brief introduction. My name is Dave. I am a lot older than most people on this list, having been riding coasters for over 25 years. Home park is SFGAm. Coaster list is at 71. Park list is at 16. My record season was '96 with 7 parks and a total of 142 coaster rides!. First coaster ride (and my dad's last!) was the Screamin Eagle at SFMA (now SFStL) in 1974. Been riding them ever since!. Favorite coaster is the "Ragin Bull" at SFGAm. Professionally, I am a computer application engineer for an environmental controls company (computerized thermostats to put it simply). Never worked at a park--when I was of the age of most park employees, there were not as many parks and I was not yet interested in coasters. Dave Rounds From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Mar 22 00:15:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 08:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 41047 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 08:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 08:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 08:15:52 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNfJsJYFo29OEV+SqVzpz0Hg=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FY5DNTNY; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 03:15:38 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:15:05 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster Message-ID: <20010322.021507.-701575.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9,11-12,15-30 From: "Nate K." >> Medusa West is slightly taller, but the most obvious difference >> between >> the two coasters is that Medusa East has a cobra roll while Medusa >> West >> has a sea serpent. > What is the difference between a "Cobra roll" and a "Sea Serpent"? Using RCT terms, a Cobra Roll is as follows: half loop, half corkscrew (right), half corkscrew (right), half loop A Sea Serpent is (in RCT terms): half loop, half corkscrew (right), half corkscrew (left), half loop. With a cobra roll, the train exits in the direction *opposite* of that it entered; with a sea serpent, the train exits in the *same* direction it entered. For pictures of Medusa West's Sea Serpent, check out: http://www.thrillride.com/medusatwo/seaserp.gif http://coasternet.danimation.com/medusasfmw05.jpg http://coasternet.danimation.com/medusasfmw10.jpg For pictures of Medusa East's Cobra Roll, see: http://www.thrillride.com/medusa/entrance.gif http://www.thrillride.com/medusa/cobraroll.gif http://www.coasterhost.com/pictures/six_flags_great_adventure/medusa4.htm -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! 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From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Mar 22 09:21:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 17:21:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 43580 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 17:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 17:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 17:21:33 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNgmZ1/ia8fKsI8UhGGQfNdA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FY6CVSJM; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:21:12 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:13:38 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty Message-ID: <20010322.112032.-656181.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-13,16-22,25-29,30-32767 From: "Nate K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Curiosity sets in. First, how did Intamin let a design flaw pass > through? No idea. > Which ride, park, and when was it built? The Edge, Six Flags Great America, 1983. The accident happened on May 28, 1984. The Edge is now Mr. Hyde's Nasty Fall at SFWoA. For more information, see http://members.aol.com/rides911/edge.htm . Second, why would one not > trust > Vekoma? Because Vekoma is a crappy company, but I wouldn't worry. Once they get one model of their Cliffhanger to work, they'll just clone it over and over again. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Thu Mar 22 10:17:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 18:17:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 86817 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 18:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 18:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.34) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 19:16:53 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2MIFm001790 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:15:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103221815.f2MIFm001790@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hypersonic Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:15:48 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com There is a picture of the S&S Hypersonic in today's paper here in Tampa. It's an AP photo of it being test run. Pretty cool... it looks like behind it is one side of what looked like the arch tower from a Skycoaster. Is there one at King's Dominion? Brian (who loves amusement parks) From asandy@depauw.edu Thu Mar 22 10:47:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 18:47:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 89713 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 18:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 18:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 18:47:18 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1HZPDVRCW9AT9LN@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:46:15 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1HZPDB9R899M8BV@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:46:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:44:50 -0500 Subject: NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000901c0b300$2d22c840$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage I found this address at coasterbuzz.com. Check out http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/ for new Vekoma Cliffhanger pics. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Thu Mar 22 10:56:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 18:56:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 73559 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 18:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 18:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 19:57:31 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.7b.11f33042 (17534) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:56:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b.11f33042.27eba4d7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:56:23 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Regarding the infamous accident on the Intamin freefall ride: I read the article. I guess someone failed to or didn't think of installing an anti-rollback device until this accident. Have all remaining freefall rides been retro-fitted with this device? Thanks, Joe From mike_ska@yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 12:49:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 20:49:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 88690 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 20:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 20:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.27) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 20:49:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20010322204927.28195.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.210.241.103] by web4902.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:49:27 PST Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:49:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] tenn. tornado and the TLC special To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <76.8bc7325.27e93342@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan there was a coaster special on TLC last night at 11 eastern. I forgot the name of it, but it was one of the better ones that i have seen. They interviewed alot of enthusiasts and got many differing opinions about what they like. It seemed like they focused mainly on CP, SFMM, and arrow coasters. One of the main points of the show was the design process of the Tenn. tornado. I have never seen anyy pics of this ride before, but i have to say that it lloks like arrow has finally gotten over the cookie-cuter inversions in the same lame pattern. The drop through the mountain looks really cool, and the first loop is huge (but it might just look that way because of the wideness of the track, either way it's bigger than any other arrow that i have seen[is the canyon blaster like this to..or is this the only one]). The turn looks like fun, and so does the remander of the ride. The other part that seems to stand out is the diving loop. This really does not look anything like any diving loop that ive ever saw (im not sre though, i was almost asleep when it came on) it looked more like a shwartzkof corkscrew, but i dont know. If anyone knows of any good sites w/ pics of this ride send a link. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From Jman25@msn.com Thu Mar 22 13:18:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jman25@msn.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 21:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 89727 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 21:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 21:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.33.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 22:19:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:18:08 -0800 Received: from 134.82.97.49 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:18:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.82.97.49] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: BRAND NEW DISNEY WEBSITE STARTING UP Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:18:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2001 21:18:08.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[97AC9910:01C0B315] From: "Justin Schwartz" Hey everyone, I was browsing the net lately and realized their are no really good Disney websites. I mean one that includes everything from multimedia to articles. Anyway I realized something, the members of this mailing list are probably the most knowledgeable about disney than anyone else. Anyway im thinking of starting a brand new disney site, but i want all of you guys to be involved too. So if anyone has any programming skills (html, perl, java, flash) or if you just want to write reviews and articles about disney or just want to have an input how this page should be done send me an email explaining how you want to be part of the page, your email address, and an AOL instant messenger screen name (i know aol sucks but its easy to communicate with them). Remember this is not going to be an average run of the mill site. Were going to do this very professionally. Send your emails to jmschwar@bucknell.edu Thanks, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From STINO999@aol.com Thu Mar 22 13:27:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 21:27:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 90367 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 21:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 21:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 21:27:09 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.72.8dc8873 (2528) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:27:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <72.8dc8873.27ebc824@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:27:00 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: BRAND NEW DISNEY WEBSITE STARTING UP To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea I would love to help out. I know html and jsut tell me what i need to do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From STINO999@aol.com Thu Mar 22 13:33:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 21:33:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 50859 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 21:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 21:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 21:33:54 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.d5.4017909 (2528) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:33:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:33:31 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: BRAND NEW DISNEY WEBSITE STARTING UP To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One more thing. Is there going to be a section on other orlando parks? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:04:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 22:04:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 34779 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 22:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 22:03:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.127) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 22:03:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:03:48 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:03:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hypersonic Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:03:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2001 22:03:48.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8D3E8A0:01C0B31B] From: "Chris Kearsing" >it looks like behind it is one side of what looked like the arch tower from >a >Skycoaster. Is there one at King's Dominion? Yeah, PKD has a Skycoaster. X-Treme Skyflyer or something like that... I think it's the 160/165' model. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cameronbw@aol.com Thu Mar 22 15:04:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 23:04:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 53025 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 23:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 23:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 23:04:41 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.de.11f6993f (3964) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:04:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:04:29 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best Floorless Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated 3/22/01 2:16:33 AM Canada Central Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: << With a cobra roll, the train exits in the direction *opposite* of that it entered; with a sea serpent, the train exits in the *same* direction it entered. >> Well, its like except for the corkscrews the train continues in the same direction as it started the element and on the cobra roll the track before/after the half loops looks < like this = the top line (normally) the entrance of the element and the bottom the exit > of the element. I hope this helps. Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks talk with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From Jman25@msn.com Thu Mar 22 15:55:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jman25@msn.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 23:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 67473 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 23:55:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.33.88) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 00:56:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:55:15 -0800 Received: from 134.82.97.49 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:55:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.82.97.49] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: BRAND NEW DISNEY WEBSITE STARTING UP (UPDATE) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:55:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2001 23:55:15.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A7B35B0:01C0B32B] From: "Justin Schwartz" Remember if you want to be part of the site, please email me at Jmschwar@bucknell.edu (so we dont clog up the message board) or you can AOL IM me at Justin149 all further details will be discussed once i get a list of who wants to be a part of it. Thanks, Justin --------------------------------- Hey everyone, I was browsing the net lately and realized their are no really good Disney websites. I mean one that includes everything from multimedia to articles. Anyway I realized something, the members of this mailing list are probably the most knowledgeable about disney than anyone else. Anyway im thinking of starting a brand new disney site, but i want all of you guys to be involved too. So if anyone has any programming skills (html, perl, java, flash) or if you just want to write reviews and articles about disney or just want to have an input how this page should be done send me an email explaining how you want to be part of the page, your email address, and an AOL instant messenger screen name (i know aol sucks but its easy to communicate with them). Remember this is not going to be an average run of the mill site. Were going to do this very professionally. Send your emails to jmschwar@b... Thanks, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Jman25@msn.com Thu Mar 22 16:54:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jman25@msn.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 00:54:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 14595 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 00:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 00:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.33.89) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 01:55:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:54:24 -0800 Received: from 134.82.97.49 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:54:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.82.97.49] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: BRAND NEW DISNEY WEBSITE STARTING UP (UPDATE again) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:54:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2001 00:54:24.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDEDC670:01C0B333] From: "Justin Schwartz" For some reason my email is not showing up jmschwar@ buckenell.edu (dont include the space when responding) -------------------------------- Remember if you want to be part of the site, please email me at Jmschwar@b... (so we dont clog up the message board) or you can AOL IM me at Justin149 all further details will be discussed once i get a list of who wants to be a part of it. Thanks, Justin --------------------------------- Hey everyone, I was browsing the net lately and realized their are no really good Disney websites. I mean one that includes everything from multimedia to articles. Anyway I realized something, the members of this mailing list are probably the most knowledgeable about disney than anyone else. Anyway im thinking of starting a brand new disney site, but i want all of you guys to be involved too. So if anyone has any programming skills (html, perl, java, flash) or if you just want to write reviews and articles about disney or just want to have an input how this page should be done send me an email explaining how you want to be part of the page, your email address, and an AOL instant messenger screen name (i know aol sucks but its easy to communicate with them). Remember this is not going to be an average run of the mill site. Were going to do this very professionally. Send your emails to jmschwar@b... Thanks, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Fri Mar 23 04:40:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 12:40:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16005 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 12:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 12:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 12:40:27 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3DC1246013E; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:38:52 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c0b396$2d8178e0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:38:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >I found this address at coasterbuzz.com. Check out >http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/ for new Vekoma Cliffhanger pics.< When I click on that link or copy it into my browser, I end up here http://www.coaster-network.com/shared/global.css with an ol' Error 404. Jay From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 09:24:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 17:24:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 98553 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 17:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 17:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 17:24:07 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id LAA131142240 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:19:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABB8792.486232C6@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:27:46 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life References: <002001c0b396$2d8178e0$7683f186@jducharme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hey Jay, try this. It is the full link to the Vekoma Tilt coaster pics, called Cliffhanger: http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/vekoma/tilt.htm Enjoy. Keep on ridin' George Jay Ducharme wrote: > >I found this address at coasterbuzz.com. Check out > >http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/ for new Vekoma Cliffhanger pics.< > > When I click on that link or copy it into my browser, I end up here > > http://www.coaster-network.com/shared/global.css > > with an ol' Error 404. > -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Fri Mar 23 09:42:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 17:42:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 33958 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 17:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 17:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.39) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 17:39:35 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2NHdZ903966 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:39:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103231739.f2NHdZ903966@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:39:35 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com amazing....... Can't wait to see how this works. I like the Oblivion type drop underground though. Brian From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Fri Mar 23 10:50:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 18:50:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 6039 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA976F4C0144; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: <009601c0b3c9$decab980$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:48:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >Hey Jay, try this. It is the full link to the Vekoma Tilt coaster pics< Thanks George. I'm afraid...I'm very afraid. What an absurd contraption. Did you notice that the rails that connect to the moving trackpiece have no "plugs" on them. Rain, insects and who knows what else can drop right down into them. Jay From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Fri Mar 23 11:29:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 19:29:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 27172 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 19:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 19:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.68) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 20:30:23 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2NJTH002229 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:29:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103231929.f2NJTH002229@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:29:17 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com It is amazing. Also how are they going to ensure the the tracks line up after it tilts. And what about the seam there too. ------- Thanks George.  I'm afraid...I'm very afraid.  What an absurd contraption. Did you notice that the rails that connect to the moving trackpiece have no "plugs" on them.  Rain, insects and who knows what else can drop right down into them. Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 23 11:38:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 19:38:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 23870 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 19:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 19:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 19:38:13 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05605 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:38:09 -0600 Message-Id: <200103231938.NAA05605@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:38:09 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <009601c0b3c9$decab980$7683f186@jducharme> from "Jay Ducharme" at Mar 23, 2001 01:48:36 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > >Hey Jay, try this. It is the full link to the Vekoma Tilt coaster pics< > > Thanks George. I'm afraid...I'm very afraid. What an absurd contraption. > Did you notice that the rails that connect to the moving trackpiece have no > "plugs" on them. Rain, insects and who knows what else can drop right down > into them. I'm sure it'll be fine. It's really not a tough problem to solve if you sit down and work on it a bit .. I'm no M.E. and even I can come up with a safe concept. As for the unplugged rails, the ride isn't even build yet! Besides, does it really matter if stuff falls down there? -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Fri Mar 23 11:39:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 19:39:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 28393 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 19:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 19:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 19:39:10 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.61.c7e8da6 (16788) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:38:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61.c7e8da6.27ed0031@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:38:25 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com In a message dated 3/24/01 1:24:33 AM Taipei Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: > Hey Jay, try this. It is the full link to the Vekoma Tilt coaster pics, > called Cliffhanger: > http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/vekoma/tilt.htm All I can say is................. YIKES !!!! The pictures tell the story. I'm not sure if I would want to ride this. Joe From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Fri Mar 23 11:42:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 19:42:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 37429 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 19:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 19:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 19:42:52 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6DCFE10010A; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:41:16 -0500 Message-ID: <00b201c0b3d1$2eb933c0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:40:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >It is amazing. Also how are they going to ensure the the tracks line up after it tilts.< Yeah, a slight misalignment could rip off a whole wheel assembly. Plus, think of this: if the way this system works is as someone described it earlier (a block at the end of the track that releases when the track is aligned), there's going to be an enormous amount of stress on the train and couplings when the track goes vertical. Unless each car is individually restrained (which creates more mechanicals that must be maintained) then all the weight of the train is forced down onto the first car. Six tons bearing down on a single car? No thank you--I'll skip that ride. Jay From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Fri Mar 23 11:47:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 19:47:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 46632 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 19:47:27 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7EFFE32010A; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:45:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00b801c0b3d1$d2b52ec0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:45:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >As for the unplugged rails, the ride isn't even build yet! Besides, >does it really matter if stuff falls down there?< Absolutely! If water gets inside there, it will (unless drain holes are drilled into the rails, weakening them) eventually rot out the track at the bottom of the drop (where there's more stress) from the inside out. That could result in a catastrophic failure. I agree with you, though: the pics were from the ride unfinished. But usually, the rails are manufactured with plugs welded in place (such as on transfer tracks). The track looks painted, and Vekoma wouldn't have an ugly welded plug put in place after the thing is painted. Would they? Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 23 11:49:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 19:49:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 58887 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 19:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 19:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 19:49:35 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05689 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:49:35 -0600 Message-Id: <200103231949.NAA05689@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:49:35 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <00b201c0b3d1$2eb933c0$7683f186@jducharme> from "Jay Ducharme" at Mar 23, 2001 02:40:57 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > Yeah, a slight misalignment could rip off a whole wheel assembly. Plus, Perhaps the tracks are hollow to allow something from the tilt track to slide inside (like a plug in a socket)...? It would align perfectly each time. Each car can easilly be held .. with drive motors it's possible to stop the train on a dime (ie: in exactly the right place) .. blocks could pop up between each set of wheels .. How can you all be so critical of a ride that isn't even build yet?! Worse, you're judging from small, burry photos! It's insane, get a grip people!! ;-) Do you seriously think they would build such a ride without addressing those issues? All of which are completely obvious, and easilly solvable with a competant M.E and a bit of thought. It's just a coaster, not rocket-science. Machines and devices exist that take a great deal more stress and force. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org Fri Mar 23 12:11:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 20:11:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 7766 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 20:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 20:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns-crcs.crcs.wnyric.org) (168.169.174.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 21:12:41 -0000 Subject: Re[2]: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:08:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ns-crcs/Servers/CubaRushford/Erie1(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 03/23/2001 03:08:44 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org Nothing says that the trains are not held by the last car. That would then be no different than any boomerang coaster. Are the Deja-Vu coasters going to have any sort of enhanced system, since their towers are going to be vertical? That has the entire train HANGING by a connection to the last car, which is designed to release. ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Author: "Jay Ducharme" Date: 3/23/01 2:40 PM >It is amazing. Also how are they going to ensure the the tracks line up after it tilts.< Yeah, a slight misalignment could rip off a whole wheel assembly. Plus, think of this: if the way this system works is as someone described it earlier (a block at the end of the track that releases when the track is aligned), there's going to be an enormous amount of stress on the train and couplings when the track goes vertical. Unless each car is individually restrained (which creates more mechanicals that must be maintained) then all the weight of the train is forced down onto the first car. Six tons bearing down on a single car? No thank you--I'll skip that ride. Jay ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/03IJGA/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/CWDVlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------- ------_-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Fri Mar 23 12:15:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 20:15:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 17948 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 20:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 20:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.68) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 20:15:46 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2NKFj022195 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:15:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103232015.f2NKFj022195@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:15:45 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com Well, it is Vekoma. -Brian --------- The track looks painted, and Vekoma wouldn't have an ugly welded plug put in place after the thing is painted.  Would they? Jay From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Fri Mar 23 12:18:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 20:18:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 31572 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 20:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 20:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.39) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 21:19:21 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2NKIG910789 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103232018.f2NKIG910789@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:18:16 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com From the pictures, it looks like the ride is almost done. The pictures arent that small or blurry. ;) -Brian ------- How can you all be so critical of a ride that isn't even build yet?! From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 23 12:20:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 20:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 30800 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 21:21:47 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05936 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:20:42 -0600 Message-Id: <200103232020.OAA05936@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:20:42 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <200103232018.f2NKIG910789@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> from "costanza@tampabay.rr.com" at Mar 23, 2001 03:18:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > From the pictures, it looks like the ride is almost done. > The pictures arent that small or blurry. ;) The pictures are no where NEAR being good enough to evaluate intricate mechanical details of a ride that isn't even completed yet! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 23 12:43:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 20:43:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 97387 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 20:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 20:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r13.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 20:43:41 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.6e.8d40a9e (3735) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:43:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6e.8d40a9e.27ed0f6f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:43:27 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cyclotron To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com I just got the March issue of Amusement Today, and was surprised to notice that Larson International has a new ride concept similar to the Arrow 4-D idea. This is advertised as Cyclotron, and is NOT an actual roller coaster, but just a loop. The cars are on the sides of the track, with riders feet hanging like X, but the seats face backwards and forwards like those of Vekoma Invertigos. Riders board the loop like you would board those swinging ships. It goes backwards and forwards, and then around the loop. I usally don't like these types of non-coaster rides, but this looks like fun. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 23 12:58:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 20:58:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 35493 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 20:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 20:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 21:59:47 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.a4.11c0dd33 (3735) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:58:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:58:27 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-22 12:23:59 EST, Nate writes: << I wouldn't worry. Once they get one model of their Cliffhanger to work, they'll just clone it over and over again. >> LOL You have to admit though, Vekoma has come up with some great prototype CONCEPTS. What we really need is for Vekoma to sell the ideas to B&M, who would make MUCH better prototypes. Imagine... a B&M flying coaster... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) P.S. Vekoma does park design and dark rides slso, don't forget. From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 23 13:06:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 21:06:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 55120 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 21:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 21:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 21:06:42 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.3f.12711945 (3735) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:06:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3f.12711945.27ed14dd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:06:37 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] tenn. tornado and the TLC special To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-22 15:54:40 EST, you write: << it lloks like arrow has finally gotten over the cookie-cuter inversions in the same lame pattern. >> Finally! Now all we have to do is wait for the headbanging to stop, and there BACK! -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 23 13:10:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 21:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 58722 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 21:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 21:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 22:11:12 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06246 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:10:07 -0600 Message-Id: <200103232110.PAA06246@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:10:07 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "CPMForce@aol.com" at Mar 23, 2001 03:58:27 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > You have to admit though, Vekoma has come up with some great prototype > CONCEPTS. What we really need is for Vekoma to sell the ideas to B&M, who > would make MUCH better prototypes. Imagine... a B&M flying coaster... IS the cloning thing really Vekoma's fault? Sure, they offer pre-designed rides, but it's the parks who are asking for them! (If there was no need, Vekoma wouldn't offer it, right?!) I actually like Vekoma .. it gives many smaller parks the chance to build inverted coasters. I also kind of like Boomerangs, and look farward to Deja Vu this year, too. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From gocubs7@hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 13:42:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 21:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 30096 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 21:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 21:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.42) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 21:40:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:40:31 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.46 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:40:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.46] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:40:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2001 21:40:31.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2672D40:01C0B3E1] From: "Tim Schroll" Imagine... a B&M flying coaster... Not to hard Where Have You been? Alton Towers will have the first B&M Flying Coaster Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 23 13:49:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 21:49:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 53268 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 21:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 21:48:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.d6.40b01bb (3735) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:48:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:48:27 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com With this whole scare about Cliffhenger coasters, I thought I would mention that the Tower of Terror has a system of locking the car onto the vertical track before releaseing from the horizontal track. If it releases early, it will not be on any track, and it really will fall down the elevator shaft... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 23 14:31:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 22:31:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 53879 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 22:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 22:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 22:31:53 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.105.b5301b (14381) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:31:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <105.b5301b.27ed28ca@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:31:38 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com I like Vekoma too, but I that's because I love the other things the they do. Also, they are still the company that designs the clones that smaller parks purchace. You are right they give smaller parks a better chance, because they can them say that they have roller coasters. B&M dosen't offer pre-made models. They focus on custom designs, which is what larger parks with more money want, and therefore the rides are larger too. Now that Vekoma is getting into the larger rides with SF parks, we will see a change. Plus, Six Flags Parks have other companies clone their larger rides, such as B:TR and S:ROS, neither of which are Vekoma. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Fri Mar 23 14:35:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 22:35:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 61625 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 22:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 22:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 22:35:28 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.9c.cbe6074 (14381) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:35:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9c.cbe6074.27ed29a8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:35:20 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-23 17:03:21 EST, you write: << Alton Towers will have the first B&M Flying Coaster >> I heard about the "secret project" with Alton Towers, but I didn't know that that was it. Is it offically confermed? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) P.S. Sam, that's what I was talking about... see? From gocubs7@hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 15:00:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 4694 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.87) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:00:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:00:22 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.46 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:00:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.46] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: B&M Flying Coaster Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:00:22 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2001 23:00:22.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A2F7FC0:01C0B3ED] From: "Tim Schroll" >In a message dated 01-03-23 17:03:21 EST, you write: > ><< Alton Towers will have the first B&M Flying Coaster > >> > >I heard about the "secret project" with Alton Towers, but I didn't know >that >that was it. Is it offically confermed? Yes, it is SW5, go to http://www.coasterbuzz.com/news/news.asp?NewsID=1533 to see photos from the construction. Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From kevinrick@juno.com Fri Mar 23 15:09:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevinrick@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 31405 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m5.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.68) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:09:40 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"5raB9qz3ZrDKVfYaZ5V9Fr6XWf0mxlKlYOlFNeT2kPibjdBX898eVw=="> Received: (from kevinrick@juno.com) by m5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FY9J8CSF; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:09:33 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:03:02 -0500 Subject: REVIEW: Hypersonic Message-ID: <20010323.180728.-153887.0.kevinrick@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Kevin M Rickens Yesterday I had the pleasure of riding HyperSonic and , WOW!! What a ride. The acceleration alone is exhilarating. I came off, and my legs were shaking. There is good airtime going over the top and coming back down you feel like you're falling down a flight of stairs. After you come back down from over the top, there are a few twists (nothing to rave about) and that's that. I definatly recommend it to anyone who is close to PKD. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 15:11:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 30600 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:11:47 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA114562239 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:12:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABBD90B.D8DE9C39@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:15:23 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life References: <200103231949.NAA05689@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Ok, before I comment on some of the other posts, let me say right off that I'm not scared of much of anything. Cliffhanger scares me! Cameron Silver wrote: > > Yeah, a slight misalignment could rip off a whole wheel assembly. Plus, > > Perhaps the tracks are hollow to allow something from the tilt track to > slide inside (like a plug in a socket)...? It would align perfectly each > time. Sounds good for lining up, but then you have the problem of water getting inside the track and rusting in out from the inside out, and not being able to be detected to boot. Plus, one misalignment and when whatever it is pops out I can just see it tearing the track instantly destroying the ride and any safe way for that train to come down. > > > Each car can easilly be held .. with drive motors it's possible to stop > the train on a dime (ie: in exactly the right place) .. blocks could > pop up between each set of wheels .. They better have a system backing up the backup system that backs up the regular system, otherwise everyone on that train is dead. If there aren't enough backups, and you get a failure, that train rolls right off the track and into oblivion. Block brakes combined with something that hooks and holds each car along with another device that perhaps holds the wheels, but before I got on it, I'd want to know what's holding that train on, and what's preventing it from rolling early. > > How can you all be so critical of a ride that isn't even build yet?! Ummm, if you didn't notice in the pictures, it is built. In fact it's nearly finished as the pictures show it testing out the tilt section of the track. > > Worse, you're judging from small, burry photos! It's insane, get a grip > people!! > Did you click on the photos to get the large clear versions of them? All those small ones were thumbnails of the full size pictures. Very scary looking. > > Do you seriously think they would build such a ride without addressing > those issues? All of which are completely obvious, and easilly solvable > with a competant M.E and a bit of thought. It's just a coaster, not > rocket-science. Machines and devices exist that take a great deal more > stress and force. It has been done before- to often in fact. Just check out rides 911 for how many times a "safely designed" ride failed in a way that should have been predictable. And forgive me if the solutions are not completely obvious. If they were, there would never be roller coaster accidents. And I'm quite sure that there are many other problems, even with your "solutions" that the people on this list can point out. Yes, I think for the very first time in my life I may have found a ride that I won't go on because of a bit of fear. At least until they start releasing some information about the safety features they have incorporated and how they work together to keep me from getting killed from a falling train. Keep on ridin' (except maybe this time) George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 15:28:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:28:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 99988 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:28:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA67317024 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:21:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABBDCDB.6FD07A49@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:31:39 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic References: <20010323.180728.-153887.0.kevinrick@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Kevin M Rickens wrote: > Yesterday I had the pleasure of riding HyperSonic and , WOW!! What a > ride. The acceleration alone is exhilarating. I came off, and my legs > were shaking. There is good airtime going over the top and coming back > down you feel like you're falling down a flight of stairs. After you > come back down from over the top, there are a few twists (nothing to rave > about) and that's that. I definatly recommend it to anyone who is close > to PKD. May I ask how you managed to get a ride on it? I know that they just finished construction, as as far as I know all coasters are supposed to go through a 30 testing period before ANYONE is allowed to ride them. Even with some fluctuation, it's been less than two weeks since they finished the track. I'm not saying your lying, and sorry if this sounds a bit accusatory, but I'm wondering how you managed to pull such a seemingly impossible stunt like this off. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! 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Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Mar 23 15:32:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:32:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 75152 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:32:31 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07210 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:32:30 -0600 Message-Id: <200103232332.RAA07210@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:32:30 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <3ABBD90B.D8DE9C39@gte.net> from "George Burnash" at Mar 23, 2001 03:15:23 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > > > Yeah, a slight misalignment could rip off a whole wheel assembly. Plus, > > > > Perhaps the tracks are hollow to allow something from the tilt track to > > slide inside (like a plug in a socket)...? It would align perfectly each > > time. > > Sounds good for lining up, but then you have the problem of water getting > inside the track and rusting in out from the inside out, and not being able Again, it's probably not done yet. Maybe there's a flap that covers the holes until the track tilts .. I don't know why you're asking me how it's done because I am 1) Not involved with the ride and 2) not an M.E! Plus, if water is obvious to everyone on this list, don't you think it's obvious to the people at Vekoma too? > Plus, one misalignment and when whatever it is pops out I can just see it > tearing the track instantly destroying the ride and any safe way for that > train to come down. It's really just a glorified transfer track. Raging Bulls has a latch on both ends that locks the track in place .. there's no reason why this thing can't have a similar system. There will probably be very little stress on the actual track and transition from tilt to regular (using counter-weights and such.. Plus, all the force from the train will be going down, not to the side, so the latch probably won't get that hacked up. (Remember I'm NOT an M.E (nor do I play one on TV) .. I could very well be talking straight out of my rear end!) > > Each car can easilly be held .. with drive motors it's possible to stop > > They better have a system backing up the backup system that backs up the > regular system, otherwise everyone on that train is dead. well of COURSE. There will probably be several totally independant systems in place for holding that train there. And Each one could probably hold the train without help from any others. I am willing to bet that that device is so over-engineered, that no-one will be hurt there.. I totally agree with you about wanting to know how it all works before riding it. > > How can you all be so critical of a ride that isn't even build yet?! > > Ummm, if you didn't notice in the pictures, it is built. OK .. so the track is there, but it's not _finished_ (ie: running). A coaster is a lot more than just the physical track (even though it is the physical track that can make or break a ride!) > Did you click on the photos to get the large clear versions of them? Yeah, I did. My point was that the photos didn't show enough of the detail about how that tilt works. There is no way for anyone to make an accurate assesment about how that functions based on those photos. > All those small ones were thumbnails of the full size pictures. Very scary > looking. I think that's the point! ;-) > It has been done before- to often in fact. Just check out rides 911 for how > many times a "safely designed" ride failed in a way that should have been > predictable. I haven't looked at the 911 site for a while, but I remember nearly all of the failurs occuring in (what I will call) low risk parts of the ride. That is, areas that aren't too dangerous for the rides, and as such, only have single safty systems. The tilt mech will surely have several independent backup systems that will all be checked before each ride. I imagine that if a single system (even the backup, backup, backup, BACKUP system) isn't working correctly, the ride will shut down. (Remember, the tilt is after the lift, so the system can check everything while the train is ascending, and not let it off the lift if it finds something wrong..). Finally, would a park really build a ride if it wasn't confident that people would be safe? Just for the record, the Tilt thing scares the bageebies out of me too .. However, I know that it will be safe, no matter how insanely dangerous it looks. (Isn't 'perceived danger' the whole point of roller-coasters?) -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 15:34:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:34:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 83878 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:33:59 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA135328314 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:29:09 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABBDE3F.B77F98C7@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:37:36 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic References: <20010323.180728.-153887.0.kevinrick@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash My mistake on the last post I sent up. After doing some looking around I realized that they had a sneak peak weekend last weekend where it was up and running, and it opens to the general public this Saturday. Sorry for calling you into question on that. That said, anyone want to send me plane tickets from California to Virginia? ;-) Keep on ridin' George Kevin M Rickens wrote: > Yesterday I had the pleasure of riding HyperSonic and , WOW!! What a > ride. The acceleration alone is exhilarating. I came off, and my legs > were shaking. There is good airtime going over the top and coming back > down you feel like you're falling down a flight of stairs. After you > come back down from over the top, there are a few twists (nothing to rave > about) and that's that. I definatly recommend it to anyone who is close > to PKD. > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 15:38:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:38:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 92062 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 00:39:07 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA131085826 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:33:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABBDF33.57B2171C@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:41:39 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: NEWS: Giovanola Tilt coaster confirmed for Belgium Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash After all the talk with the Vekoma one, here's Giovanola's. Quoted from Coasterbuzz's news section: I recently contacted Bobbejaanland about the rumors of the Giovanola Tilt coaster heading for their park and this is the reply i received: "The rumours you've heard are half correct. It is not so that we plan it for 2002. We have contact with Giovanola concerning a hugh roller coaster that indeed includes a tilt system, but also a lot more elements. That's the only thing till now we can say...." Now I'm really getting scared to death. If you are intersted in seeing the article (all of which is above) and it's forum, the link is: http://www.coasterbuzz.com/rumors/rumor.asp?NewsID=1560 Keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Fri Mar 23 15:40:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:40:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 91746 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO abb-us01-ussmtp.abb.com) (130.110.1.232) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:40:42 -0000 Received: by abb-us01-ussmtp.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256A18.0080F6A6 ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:28:37 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256A18.0080F5C5.00@abb-us01-ussmtp.abb.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:43:57 -0500 Subject: NEWS: Elmo drinks Budweiser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com No, not really. OK, this is already old news, but thought I'd pass it along anyway, in case you hadn't heard. A few weeks ago, Sesame Place announced their intention to seek a liquor license! Seems the parent company (Anheuser-Busch) wanted to be able to serve alcohol -- to parents -- at a new dining place within the park. After a couple of weeks after this news, the park announced they were withdrawing the application. It seemed to me that it was due to bad public response to the idea of beer flowing around so many 5 year-olds. In other Philly-area news, there's still a giant hole in the ground at 8th and Market Streets. That's where DisneyQuest construction was begun but later abandoned. The official reason given was that DQ was to be merely a part of a new, large retail-entertainment complex. But the city was unable to sign up other major tenants as was part of the deal with Disney, so Disney later pulled out. I used to live on that block, and the parking lot that was there was pretty ugly, but the giant pit that's there now is even worse. Oh well. From ethsx@hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 15:43:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ethsx@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 33018 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.19.124) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 23:43:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:43:31 -0800 Received: from 65.11.134.187 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:43:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.11.134.187] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:43:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2001 23:43:31.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[1168A770:01C0B3F3] From: "Derek Sanders" Honestly why would vekoma try to build a ride that could potentialy be dangerous? they must have some way of holding the train still while the track tilts, besides a brake. maybe the trains will be shorter than we think. They could look like the b&m dive machine with only two cars, 8 cars per train. Perhaps this second golden age will end with fatal rollercoasters like the cliffhanger. when coney island put out the first looping coaster flip flap it was extremly dangerous and potetialy fatal. maybe cliffhanger will drive coaster building to the max at this time and our technology wont be able to support what they are tryind to accomplish. but for now lets hope for another great coaster by vekoma! Mr. D _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Xcoaster@juno.com Fri Mar 23 15:48:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 23:48:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 8706 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 23:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 23:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 00:49:12 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWg7BZVygZBFBysUhaCYWQ5YOyQ0okCzw+g=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FY9MD9F5; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:47:43 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:39:35 -0800 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk]Sea World San Diego Message-ID: <20010323.153938.-3765269.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 10-12 From: Xcoaster@juno.com Today at school we had a career expo and I talked one of the from Sea World about if they'd be getting a coaster like some of their other parks and she said they were probably going to be getting a clone of the Steel Eel. I heard an announcement last year that they'd probably be getting a clone of a coaster that was really popular at one of there other parks and I thought it looked like Journey to Atlantis but maybe not. I was hoping for a non-clone, especially since it would be their first coaster but I'm not mad. Or a clone of Kraken would've been nice since my closest inversions are two hours away. It least I'll have a reason to go there now. Also I was wondering of what you thought of the Steel Eel. Anyways, you never know how accurate what they say is, but that's what I heard. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From cameronbw@aol.com Fri Mar 23 16:50:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 00:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 49921 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 00:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 00:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 00:50:31 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.105.b4b058 (16790) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:50:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <105.b4b058.27ed4950@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:50:24 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] My Coaser Trip (was Hypersonic) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/01 5:42:48 PM Canada Central Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: << That said, anyone want to send me plane tickets from California to Virginia? >> This is probably a good time to tell you that for spring break (April 9th) I will be going to SFKK, BGW, PKD, and most likely SFA does anyone have advice for going to these parks? Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks talk with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From cameronbw@aol.com Fri Mar 23 16:55:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 00:55:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 54763 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 00:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 00:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 01:56:54 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.21.937f6d9 (16790) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:55:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21.937f6d9.27ed4a90@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:55:44 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/01 6:42:57 PM Canada Central Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: << It has been done before- to often in fact. Just check out rides 911 for how many times a "safely designed" ride failed in a way that should have been predictable. And forgive me if the solutions are not completely obvious. If they were, there would never be roller coaster accidents. And I'm quite sure that there are many other problems, even with your "solutions" that the people on this list can point out. >> What is the Adress for Rides 911? Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks talk with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 16:58:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 00:58:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 52867 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 00:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 00:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 00:58:55 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id SAA121630394 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:59:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABBF227.7002401D@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:02:31 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life References: <21.937f6d9.27ed4a90@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash cameronbw@aol.com wrote: > > What is the Adress for Rides 911? > http://members.aol.com/rides911/accidents.htm Don't be afraid to check out the archives there. Always interesting reading. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From draakuulaa@hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 17:13:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: draakuulaa@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 01:13:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 80370 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 01:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 01:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.9.150) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 01:13:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:36:47 -0800 Received: from 192.151.112.72 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:36:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.151.112.72] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:36:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2001 08:36:47.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B82BF30:01C0B2AB] From: "Vlad Dracul" >Vekoma is building a Cliffhanger coaster at Discovery Theme Park in > >Taiwan. >It's called "Gravity Max." It looks pretty cool, but it's going to >basically be a one trick wonder. There are pictures of it in the latest >First Drop. > >It does the vertical drop into a near 270 degree banked turn, then a >vertical loop, and a weird descending then ascending helix. The >concept >is >similar to Oblivion, with some added trackage. The trains look pretty > >cool- >very open. Track length is only 776 feet, and the top of the lift is >114 >feet. When it tilts, the back car is 140 feet off the ground. The >loop >is >88 feet tall, and the top speed is supposed to be 56 miles an hour. >It's >expected that this ride will pull approx. 4.5 Gs. > >-Chris K- Here's the pictures you have all been waiting for. Remember: it is not a dream! http://www.coaster-network.com/bm/vekoma/tilt.htm Danny, the dutch Coaster-Talk refugee _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Mar 23 18:04:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 02:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 88086 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 02:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 02:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 03:05:34 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA78255 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:04:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id 7MK0dQQ2 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:04:29 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <003101c0b406$aced2500$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <200103232110.PAA06246@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]TECH: 1st gen. freefall safty Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:03:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" > IS the cloning thing really Vekoma's fault? Sure, they offer pre-designed > rides, but it's the parks who are asking for them! (If there was no need, > Vekoma wouldn't offer it, right?!) Actually, it is. Vekoma likes the idea of just selling off the shelf models that they can clone over and over and not have to pay for new design work. Vekoma will do custom design work... but at a price that I'm told is pretty much identical to Intamin or B&M... and when faced with those prices, people usually switch over to B&M or Intamin for the better products. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Mar 23 18:16:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 02:16:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 6423 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 02:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 02:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 02:16:40 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA80137 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:16:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id PqK0vuQ2 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:16:39 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <004701c0b408$5fd1d8e0$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20010323.180728.-153887.0.kevinrick@juno.com> <3ABBDCDB.6FD07A49@gte.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:16:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" > May I ask how you managed to get a ride on it? I know that they just > finished construction, as as far as I know all coasters are supposed to go > through a 30 testing period before ANYONE is allowed to ride them. Even with > some fluctuation, it's been less than two weeks since they finished the > track. Because the park had their Media & VIP day to take the first public rides on Hypersonic on Thursday. I didn't get to go... no time this week... but I could have gone. From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 19:11:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 03:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 14709 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 03:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 03:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.138) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 03:11:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:11:21 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:11:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:11:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2001 03:11:21.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A2E6B20:01C0B410] From: "Chris Kearsing" >B&M dosen't offer pre-made >models. They focus on custom designs, which is what larger parks with *coughBATMANcough* -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cameronbw@aol.com Fri Mar 23 19:39:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 03:39:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 70108 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 03:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 03:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 03:39:11 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.f2.88fafab (15866) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from web27.aolmail.aol.com (web27.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.3]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:38:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:38:57 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated Fri, 23 Mar 2001 8:02:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, George Burnash writes: << > http://members.aol.com/rides911/accidents.htm>> Speaking of the events there while scrolling through the arcives a VERY graphic (for that reason I wont post it on the list. E-Mail me privately if you wan't to see it) acident involving Knobels speed slide. Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks, come talk with us http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From cameronbw@aol.com Fri Mar 23 19:44:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 03:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 70711 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 03:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 03:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 03:44:54 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.7d.12b9e12b (15866) for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:44:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:44:46 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] OLD NEWS Knobels Speed Slide Accident To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <7d.12b9e12b.27ed722e@aol.com> From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:40:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, cameronbw@aol.com writes: << In a message dated Fri, 23 Mar 2001 8:02:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, George Burnash writes: << > http://members.aol.com/rides911/accidents.htm>> Speaking of the events there while scrolling through the arcives a VERY graphic (for that reason I wont post it on the list. E-Mail me privately if you wan't to see it) acident involving Knobels speed slide. Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks, come talk with us http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk >> Ok to make it easier here is the link adress http://members.aol.com/rides911/1999.htm#mar2 Sorry, Cameron Willis From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 21:04:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 05:04:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20410 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 05:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 05:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 05:04:37 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA75781969 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:57:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABC2BBF.778C5829@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:08:15 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic References: <20010323.180728.-153887.0.kevinrick@juno.com> <3ABBDCDB.6FD07A49@gte.net> <004701c0b408$5fd1d8e0$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Lance Hart wrote: > > May I ask how you managed to get a ride on it? I know that they just > > finished construction, as as far as I know all coasters are supposed to go > > through a 30 testing period before ANYONE is allowed to ride them. Even > with > > some fluctuation, it's been less than two weeks since they finished the > > track. > > Because the park had their Media & VIP day to take the first public > rides on Hypersonic on Thursday. I didn't get to go... no time this week... > but I could have gone. Yep, caught that right after I sent the post, which is why I sent another follow up "mea culpa" Even saw a clip on Fox News showing the hypersonic in action with people on it tonight. Looks like one awesome ride! So the offer is still there: anyone want to buy my tickets to Virginia? My Six Flags pass will get me in the park free! :-) Keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Mar 23 21:14:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 05:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27087 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 05:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 05:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 05:14:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010324051430.24764.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.83.166] by web4905.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:14:30 PST Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:14:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: Central Florida recap To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3ABC2BBF.778C5829@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris Hey Y'all, I'm finally back from my week long excursion to the mecca of theme parks...Orlando, Florida. During my stay in (not so) sunny Florida, I had the chance to visit several of the parks: Epcot, SWF, USF, BGT, and IOA. I will write detailed Trip reports for all of the parks when I have more time (and a greater desire), but I will give a quick recap of the coasters and/or thrill rides. Epcot: Test Track was really fun, but not what I would call thrilling. Body Wars was enjoyable and Honey I Shrunk the Audience had a moment that really caught me off guard. On a side note, the 360degree film "O Canada" made me what to throw up. The movie was good, but the 360degree format didnt sit well with me or my sister. Sea World Florida: Kraken is the best designed and engineered coaster that I have ever been on. I especially like that the coaster naturally slows down for the block brake, that way the brakes dont jolt the train. Kraken to me was a better ride near the front of the train, because of the airtime moments in the latter half. I have to say this was my favorite Central Fla coaster. Wild Artic was also a pretty intense ride. Didnt ride Journey to Atlantis. Universal Studios Florida: Rode the Woody Woodpecker coaster for the count. Men in Black/ Alien Attack is *still* my favorite dark ride. Twister was interesting and T2/3D was entertaining. The suprise of the day was the Funtastic Fun of Hanna-Barberra. That was the wildest simulator that I have ridden. This is for kids?!?! Busch Gardens Tampa: Python and Scorpion were, well phython and Scorpion. Gwazi was a good coaster. Not in my top tier of favorite woodies (Viper, Villian, Sonny), but definitey in the second tier (ROAR, Cyclops). There did not seem to be much difference in the two sides. There *might* have been an extra curve in Tiger and an extra bunny hop in Lion, but if you weren't aware of the difference, you might miss it. Kumba has raw power. I see now why the layout was oft copied. If it aint broke dont fix it. But Montu is the coaster of merit here. Many have said that it is overbraked, and true the coaster does almost come to a dead stop on the midcourse. Not knowing the coaster, I assumed (wrongly) that the midcourse was BEFORE the batwing wing. Well let me just say this, if the coaster would have ended at the midcourse, Montu would STILL be my favorite invert. It really is that damn good. To me, the part after the midcourse was just like bonus time. Islands of Adventure: Well, the Incredible Hulk Coaster still didnt impress me much, but I enjoyed the ride MUCH MUCH more than my first time. Since I wasnt de-sensitized by multiple Joker's Jinx rides, I could actually appreciate the launch. I also liked the 'big-freaking-loop'. I was really digging Spidey's 'new' program. There were actually a few wrinkles that suprised me. Jurrasic Park was a good 'big-honkin-boat' ride that doesn't get you too wet. While Popeye & Bluto is a brilliant circular raft ride that gets you absolutely SOAKED (if only I had a water gun to shoot back at the people..). Flying Unicorn, for a kiddie coaster, looks really high when you're on it. I found myself really digging Ice Dragon, ans I didnt even sit in the front. But, IMO, Fire Dragon is still the bad boy of the block @ IOA. It has a healthy dose of intensity, though for some reason, the so-called 'spiro-loop' was not as blackout-inducing as I remember. Nevertheless, a great ride. BTW, I am officially a fan of Space Shots over drop rides; thanks to Dr. Doom's FearFall. In recap, if I were to order my Central Florida coasters, it would be the following list. 1. Kraken 2. Montu 3. Kumba 4. Fire Dragon 5. Gwazi-Lion&Tiger (too close to call) 7. Ice Dragon 8. Incredible Hulk Coaster 9. Scorpion 10. Flying Unicorn 11. Python 12. Woody WoodPecker's Nuthouse Coaster I cant really say if any of them would make my top ten or where, but Kraken and Montu, have a good shot. I'll have to think about it! I'll holla. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From IOASpiderman@aol.com Fri Mar 23 21:38:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 05:38:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 93243 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 05:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 05:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r15.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 06:40:03 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.e1.1223b500 (3861) for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:38:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:38:49 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com << > Thanks George. I'm afraid...I'm very afraid. What an absurd contraption. > Did you notice that the rails that connect to the moving trackpiece have no > "plugs" on them. Rain, insects and who knows what else can drop right down > into them. I'm sure it'll be fine. It's really not a tough problem to solve if you sit down and work on it a bit .. I'm no M.E. and even I can come up with a safe concept. As for the unplugged rails, the ride isn't even build yet! Besides, does it really matter if stuff falls down there? >> Hey. I am not sure about the correctness of what one of my friends told me, but it kind of relates to this, and I am sure that some of you will know it. With the ride rails, I thought that they were pressurized. This would then make the rail stronger and it would also have to make the cliffhanger have some sort of end plug to keep the pressure in. I heard this when talking about Space Mountain in DL and how they have sensors to make sure that the track remains pressurized. If you are not sure what I am talking about, think of a metal baseball bat... it is very thin, and hollow on the inside, but with the pressure, it is like a peice of titanium. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com www.geocities.com/mfsoftware2000 From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 21:58:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 05:58:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20362 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 05:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 05:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 05:58:37 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id XAA120032351 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:59:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABC3867.346F742A@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:02:15 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger- pressurized rails on coasters References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash IOASpiderman@aol.com wrote: > > Hey. I am not sure about the correctness of what one of my friends told me, > but it kind of relates to this, and I am sure that some of you will know it. > With the ride rails, I thought that they were pressurized. This would then > make the rail stronger and it would also have to make the cliffhanger have > some sort of end plug to keep the pressure in. I heard this when talking > about Space Mountain in DL and how they have sensors to make sure that the > track remains pressurized. If you are not sure what I am talking about, > think of a metal baseball bat... it is very thin, and hollow on the inside, > but with the pressure, it is like a peice of titanium. > I have no idea if they are pressurizing the rails on the cliffhanger- though it would be impossible if the rail isn't plugged. But it would seem like a good idea. Also an easy way to see if the rail or structure had any unseen cracks by monitoring the pressure- if it drops you know you have a problem. But I'm not sure that they do that with many, if any coasters. Only thing I remember seeing it on was the Skyscraper ride, when they mentioned in on one of the TV specials. And I thought that they mentioned that it was a new concept that they developed for the Skyscraper. It would be interesting to know more about if they do it with coasters- and where. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 22:29:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 06:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 40208 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 06:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 06:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.50) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 07:30:31 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:29:27 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:29:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:29:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2001 06:29:27.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[C65B75D0:01C0B42B] From: "Chris Kearsing" >So the offer is still there: anyone want to buy my tickets to Virginia? My >Six >Flags pass will get me in the park free! :-) Since when do Six Flags passes work at PKD? -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 23 22:50:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 06:50:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 75968 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 06:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 06:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 06:50:54 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id AAA113104733 Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:51:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABC44A8.23BE3096@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:54:32 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Chris Kearsing wrote: > >So the offer is still there: anyone want to buy my tickets to Virginia? My > >Six > >Flags pass will get me in the park free! :-) > > Since when do Six Flags passes work at PKD? > Aackk, that's right. It's Paramount isn't it. Argggg. Well, ok then I'll pay my way in the gate if you'll pay my plane tickets. Thanks Chris for pointing out how lame I am when I haven't slept the last couple of days 8-p Next thing I know you'll be telling me to take a day off work and sleep or something crazy like that. Keep on ridin' George > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From CPMForce@aol.com Sat Mar 24 10:43:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 18:43:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 53236 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 18:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 18:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 18:43:02 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.13.) id r.51.935ab4f (5711) for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:42:55 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:42:55 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Giovanola Tilt coaster confirmed for Belgium To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <51.935ab4f.27ee44af@aol.com> From: CPMForce@aol.com Which park is it for? The new Six Flags? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From supermanros@hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 12:30:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 20:30:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 70541 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.171) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 20:30:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:30:25 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:30:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:30:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2001 20:30:25.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[42226AA0:01C0B4A1] From: "Chris Kearsing" >Aackk, that's right. It's Paramount isn't it. Argggg. Well, ok then I'll >pay >my way in the gate if you'll pay my plane tickets. Yes. :) However.... Once upon a time, there lived a dumpy little park in Largo, MD. They advertised that they were transforming into a Six Flags park, set to open the first weekend in May. They realized they could never pull it off by the deadline, but they continued to advertise anyway. They announced that Friday that they wouldn't be able to open on Saturday, yet still ran ads for the park in the Baltimore area that night. A whole bunch of pissed-off guests arrived at the park to find it closed. PKD announced that for that weekend only, they would accept Six Flags tickets and season passes. This was a very good opportunity for exposure and public relations, while a very bad thing for said Six Flags park. So yeah, PKD did accept Six Flags passes for two days! >Next thing I know you'll be telling me to take a day off work and sleep or >something crazy like that. Take a day off work and sleep or something crazy like that! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Sat Mar 24 18:42:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 02:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 1715 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 02:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 02:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 02:42:34 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp198.effingham.net [12.34.177.198]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:52:53 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c0b4d5$9f92b6c0$c6b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20010324051430.24764.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Central Florida recap Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:45:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" I was > really digging Spidey's 'new' program. There were > actually a few wrinkles that suprised me Jeremy....Would you care to elaborate on this? I visited IOA in Feb. of 2000, and Spidey was (and still is) definetely my favorite dark ride. Have they made some sort of major change to the Adventure of Spiderman dark-ride? I realize that this probably doesn't mean much of anything to those of you who haven't had the privilige of riding Spidey, but I was just wondering what they changed on this ride. Thanks, --Jon From lance@screamscape.com Sat Mar 24 20:18:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 04:18:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 61578 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 04:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 04:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 04:18:04 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA32155 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:18:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id ZM805RE2 Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:18:03 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <005f01c0b4e2$7ec93ce0$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20010324051430.24764.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> <002101c0b4d5$9f92b6c0$c6b1220c@lorenzer> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Central Florida recap Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:17:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" > Jeremy....Would you care to elaborate on this? I visited IOA in Feb. of > 2000, and Spidey was (and still is) definetely my favorite dark ride. Have > they made some sort of major change to the Adventure of Spiderman dark-ride? Sometime around the end of Feb or early March, they seem to have activated a whole new motion program on Spiderman. For virtually all of 2000 they had to "dumb it down" when they started to use a whole new motion control system. The old origional program didn't translate into the new program and the ride motion was very tame compared to how it was when Spiderman first opened. However, it seems that they brought back some of the head techs who built it and have since re-programmed the new software with an all new program that seems to have a few new "twists" than before. I havn't been to the park in weeks, but I did get to ride the all new program when it first came out and it seems to have a few obvious changes in the movement... one of which takes into effect the now limited motion of the Lady Liberty head so they jerk you around a bit more in this area since you don't have to sit still to "awe" at the rising head. (It still rises, but if you've experience the early versions of spiderman, you know that the head used to start so low to the ground that the scoop didn't look like it would fit under it until it lifted out of the way. Now it sits high and just lifts up a little bit... a victim of making the ride and all of the effects as stable as possible. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 08:43:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 16:43:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19068 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 16:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 16:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.26) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 17:44:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010325164351.26826.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.230.231] by web4901.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:43:51 PST Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:43:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Central Florida recap To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002101c0b4d5$9f92b6c0$c6b1220c@lorenzer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Jon Zerkel wrote: > I was > > really digging Spidey's 'new' program. There were > > actually a few wrinkles that suprised me > > Jeremy....Would you care to elaborate on this? I > visited IOA in Feb. of > 2000, and Spidey was (and still is) definetely my > favorite dark ride. Have > they made some sort of major change to the Adventure > of Spiderman dark-ride? To piggy back on what Lance has already said, yes there are some different motions of the scoop, but there are also some different movie scenes too. For example, there is a different fight sequence with Hydro-Man and the scoop actually runs into Spidey, knocking him into a wall. Nothing too major, but nice little touches. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 08:45:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 16:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 37393 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 16:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 16:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.30) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 16:45:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010325164550.9154.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.230.231] by web4905.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:45:50 PST Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:45:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris I just wanted to drop you all a quick line about one of the "new for 2001" coasters. I got a chance to ride H:XLC yesterday (Saturday). The coaster right now is having bad capacity problems. They are only running one train (which carries 8 people). Still, since yesterday was a VERY light day at King's Dominion, I only waited about an hour to ride. By now you already know that the coaster is extremely short, and with approximatey 100pph capacity (right now) that can be a nightmare. That being said, let me assure you that done of that makes a DAMN bit of difference! This is truely an AWESOME ride. I have heard people complain about the expected waits and how being so short will suck, yada, yada, yada. But only the SNOBBIEST of coaster snobs will mention anything about the length. That launch is so powerful, the vertical climb very fast, the air at the top is the very definition of EJECTOR AIR, and if you thought the track on Millie's first hill curved under itself, just wait till you see ABSOLUTELY NO track. Oh and by they way, there is great out of your seat action on the little bunny hop too . This one is a keeper. I cant see anyone being disappointed by this ride. Well that's all I have to say, other than, GET OUT HERE AND RIDE IT! I'll holla. lata, jeremy --who would have never pictured Chris K. as a blonde...redhead maybe.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Mar 25 09:15:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 17:15:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 85244 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 17:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 17:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 17:15:24 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp98.effingham.net [12.34.177.98]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:25:48 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c0b54f$8f6e7ac0$62b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: Question: Fate of the Whizzer at SFGrAm? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:18:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang! I just came from visiting the Six Flags-Great America Website. (Hey....if I can't be riding coasters for real, I might as well experience them virtually, right?) ;-) Anyway, I couldn't help but notice that The Whizzer was not included in the list of SFGrAm's coasters for 2001. Have they removed it to make room for Deja Vu or V2? Kinda makes me sad...I realize that the old Whizzer was never really considered an "extreme" ride, but still a fun one, I always thought! If The Whizzer has been removed, does anybody on this list know its fate? Thanking you in advance, --Jon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Mar 25 09:19:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 17:19:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 88627 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 17:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 17:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 17:19:35 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28154 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:19:33 -0600 Message-Id: <200103251719.LAA28154@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Fate of the Whizzer at SFGrAm? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:19:33 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c0b54f$8f6e7ac0$62b1220c@lorenzer> from "Jon Zerkel" at Mar 25, 2001 11:18:06 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > I just came from visiting the Six Flags-Great America Website. > Anyway, I couldn't help but notice that The Whizzer was not included in > the list of SFGrAm's coasters for 2001. It hasn't been listed for years, don't know why. I don't believe that the Whizzer has been removed.. 1) The park spent a bit of money on it last year .. they did some pretty heavy train work, I believe. 2) The park was very open about the removal of Sky Whirl. Presumably if Whizzer was to suffer the same fate, we'd know. Personally, I would be devistated if they removed that ride. Taking out Sky Whirl was bad enough .. I don't care how good Deja Vu is, it will never be as cool as Sky Whirl was :-( (Yes, I _would_ rather they kept Sky Whirl instead of install Deja Vu. Especially since there are a million other places they could have built Deja Vu.) -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 11:39:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 19:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 72240 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 20:40:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010325193932.65222.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.11.167.15] by web10905.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:39:32 PST Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:39:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Getting off to an early start To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <985524354.676.61775.l10@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral Well, I was very excited when my friend who lives in D.C. called me up to tell me that Hypersonic was opening up this saturday. That's good news because I cannot wait for "rollercoaster season" to start. can you believe that it's snowing here in Cleveland today? Anyways, I will be flying to DC on tues , April 10th to meet my friend and we will drive down to PKD for Hypersonic. I'm very excited, as this will complete 50% of my "must-ride" list for 2001. So far this list consists of only Hypersonic and X. with a few other bonus rides such as Nitro and the new versions of Stealth. Those of you from the old list may remember my gripes about stealth, and it looks like they may have fixed some of them. question: This tilt-coaster... I heard it's a prototype, I didn't know it's actually being built. Where is it being built and when will it open? quack quack -Brian F (who loves mercedes benz automobiles) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From supermanros@hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 11:46:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 19:46:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 84340 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 19:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 19:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.147) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 20:47:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:46:35 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:46:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:46:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2001 19:46:35.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CCA7E70:01C0B564] From: "Chris Kearsing" >I just wanted to drop you all a quick line about one >of the "new for 2001" coasters. I got a chance to ride >H:XLC yesterday (Saturday). The coaster right now is >having bad capacity problems. They are only running >one train (which carries 8 people). Still, since >yesterday was a VERY light day at King's Dominion, I >only waited about an hour to ride. By now you already >know that the coaster is extremely short, and with >approximatey 100pph capacity (right now) that can be a >nightmare. Haha! Were they at least using virtural queue? >so powerful, the vertical climb very fast, the air at >the top is the very definition of EJECTOR AIR, and if >you thought the track on Millie's first hill curved YAY! Where did you sit? I need to talk to someone who has ridden in the front and back (which I'm sure nobody has due to capacity) to compare the experience. I think I want to ride in the front, but if the back has amazing ejector air over that... point... then I want the back. I won't get to Kings Dominion until June at least... and maybe not until August. Hypersonic is my most anticipated ride of the season, so maybe I can grab 2 rides on it with the virtual queue system. Volcano is one of my very favourite rides ever, so I want to spend ample time on Volcano, and perhaps get 2 rides on Hypersonic. The rest of the park I don't like. >lata, >jeremy >--who would have never pictured Chris K. as a >blonde...redhead maybe.... Not sure where that came from? -Chris K, who has been all of the above...- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 11:47:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 19:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 85568 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 19:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 19:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.44) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 19:47:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010325194718.79605.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.11.167.15] by web10908.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:47:18 PST Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:47:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tilt coaster fears To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <985524354.676.61775.l10@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral I agree that maybe we should lighten up in our scrutiny of this tilt coaster. Why is everyone getting so worked up? this tilting concept already exists (ultra-twister) and is really not so different than the transfer tracks of Mr. freeze. I'm sure we've all heard of the concept of redundancy, and I'm sure that the designers are well aware of the potential troubles this ride could have and are engineering it accordingly. I, for one cannot wait to try it out. quack quack -Brian F (who loves California) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Mar 25 12:29:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 20:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 65763 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 20:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 20:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 21:30:35 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp80.effingham.net [12.34.177.80]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:39:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000901c0b56a$ad741280$50b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <200103251719.LAA28154@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Fate of the Whizzer at SFGrAm? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:32:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Silver" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Fate of the Whizzer at SFGrAm? I don't care how good Deja Vu is, it will never > be as cool as Sky Whirl was :-( (Yes, I _would_ rather they kept Sky Whirl > instead of install Deja Vu. UGGHHH!! I've never met you, Cameron...but you must be some sort of masochist. The Sky Whirl is one ride (and really the ONLY ride) I've ever ridden that made me want to toss my cookies! I wonder why they don't list the Whizzer as one of their coasters at the website? --Jon From MentalJinx@aol.com Sun Mar 25 13:27:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MentalJinx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 21:27:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 83440 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 22:28:22 -0000 Received: from MentalJinx@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.37.1294c1d0 (3964) for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37.1294c1d0.27efbcaf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:27:11 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Fate of the Whizzer at SFGrAm? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: MentalJinx@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > < website?>> It is listed on their site... It's just under "More Thrills" rather than "Roller Coasters and Thrill Rides." All they mention about it, though, is: Whizzer Whiz through banking twists and turns. --Mika T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Mar 25 14:37:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 22:37:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 87010 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 22:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 22:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 23:38:19 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id QAA139280272 Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:21:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3ABE714B.5B01F31F@gte.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:29:31 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Getting off to an early start References: <20010325193932.65222.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash brian farral wrote: > question: This tilt-coaster... I heard it's a > prototype, I didn't know it's actually being built. > Where is it being built and when will it open? > The Vekoma one is being built as we speak in Taiwan, and I believe that it is supposed to open this year (read a couple of months perhaps) Giovanola's was just announced as being planned for a park in Belgium (not the Six Flags one), but I haven't heard any dates or anything else on it so far. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 18:00:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 02:00:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 33229 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 02:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 02:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 02:00:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010326020033.29453.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.215.158.27] by web4905.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:00:33 PST Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:00:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Chris Kearsing wrote: > Haha! Were they at least using virtural queue? I didn't know that the Paramount parks had adopted a virtual queue system. At least for opening day, no such program was in use. > YAY! Where did you sit? I need to talk to someone > who has ridden in the > front and back (which I'm sure nobody has due to > capacity) to compare the > experience. I think I want to ride in the front, > but if the back has > amazing ejector air over that... point... then I > want the back. I won't get > to Kings Dominion until June at least... and maybe > not until August. > Hypersonic is my most anticipated ride of the > season, so maybe I can grab 2 > rides on it with the virtual queue system. Volcano > is one of my very > favourite rides ever, so I want to spend ample time > on Volcano, and perhaps > get 2 rides on Hypersonic. The rest of the park I > don't like. Well, I sat in the very back. However, the three people I was with all have ridden both the front and the back (two went to Media Day and the third went to a walkback @ 9am opening day announced on URC, which I could not make). I will have to ask them how much of a difference there was between the two. I was so excited with just the back seat I didnt bother to ask... > > >lata, > >jeremy > >--who would have never pictured Chris K. as a > >blonde...redhead maybe.... > > Not sure where that came from? > > -Chris K, who has been all of the above... About a month ago I finally watched "Extreme Rides 2000" and you were on there talking about Medusa... lata, jeremy --HyperSonic Fan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Mon Mar 26 05:31:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 13:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 90488 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 13:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 13:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 14:32:49 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A45CC710088; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c0b5f8$d52284e0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:29:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >Do you seriously think they would build such a ride without addressing those issues?< Sadly, yes I do. Or at least, IMO, companies rush a bit to get the "newest and most thrilling" ride to market before someone beats them to it. The best laid plans can go awry. Look at the Flip-Flap, the Cannon Coaster, Traver's Cyclones, Intamin's Freefall, the Reverse Bungee -- they all were supposedly great engineering achievements, but all had serious problems that either had to be corrected or caused the ride to be dismantled. In the case of the Cannon Coaster (and remember--coasters had been around for quite a while when this was built), the engineers thought that a coaster train could successfully jump a gap in the track and continue safely on the other side. To some, that was obvious folly. But it wasn't until the ride was built and tested that the engineers discovered it couldn't be done. Mistakes can be made. Yes, it seems like Vekoma should know better. But a lot of times in business, the attitude is, "Let's sell it, build it and then work out the kinks." As long as there's plenty of pre-testing and no one gets hurt, fine. By the way, I like your suggestion of the hollow areas being sockets into which some sort of pin would lock. That makes a lot of sense. Jay From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Mon Mar 26 05:35:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 13:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10237 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 13:35:37 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A54432C600F2; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:33:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c0b5f9$5f5ba6a0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:33:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >Nothing says that the trains are not held by the last car. That would then >be no different than any boomerang coaster. < Yes, it would be *much* different: on a Boomerang, if the pulley mechanism fails then the train rolls down through the station and maybe valleys in the boomerang element or stops in the station. On a "Tilt" coaster if the attachment mechanism fails, about twenty people plummet 200 feet to their death. Jay From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Mon Mar 26 05:37:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 13:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 28726 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 13:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 13:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 14:38:04 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A59732D100F2; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:35:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c0b5f9$90c9c3c0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cyclotron Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:35:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >I just got the March issue of Amusement Today, and was surprised to notice >that Larson International has a new ride concept similar to the Arrow 4-D >idea. This is advertised as Cyclotron, and is NOT an actual roller coaster< Larson's ride has been around for a couple years, actually. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where Arrow got their idea from. Jay From jducharme@hcc.mass.edu Mon Mar 26 06:31:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jducharme@hcc.mass.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 14:31:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 39992 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 14:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 14:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hightide.hcc.mass.edu) (134.241.135.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 14:31:42 -0000 Received: from jducharme [134.241.131.118] by hightide.hcc.mass.edu (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2603701008E; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:29:52 -0500 Message-ID: <013b01c0b601$2fb83dc0$7683f186@jducharme> To: Cc: "Dave Anderson" , "Jon Lavelle" , "Rich Boehmer" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rhino Rally Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:29:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Jay Ducharme" >Busch Gardens has a real cool interactive site at www.rhinorally.com < It's a great piece of Flash. Odd, though: the attitude of the intro is more like you're going to try to run over the wildlife. It has more of a "Road Kill Rally" feel to it (especially with the macho and gas-guzzling Land Rover). Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 26 08:10:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 16:10:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 11852 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 16:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 16:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 17:11:19 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02872 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:10:12 -0600 Message-Id: <200103261610.KAA02872@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Fate of the Whizzer at SFGrAm? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:10:12 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <000901c0b56a$ad741280$50b1220c@lorenzer> from "Jon Zerkel" at Mar 25, 2001 02:32:13 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > > I don't care how good Deja Vu is, it will never > > be as cool as Sky Whirl was :-( (Yes, I _would_ rather they kept Sky Whirl > > instead of install Deja Vu. > > UGGHHH!! I've never met you, Cameron...but you must be some sort of > masochist. The Sky Whirl is one ride (and really the ONLY ride) I've ever > ridden that made me want to toss my cookies! hahaha .. sorry to hear that. I took a friend of mine on it near the end of last season (since we knew it was leaving), and it made her sick too. (Although she gets sick after Batman as well..) I always thought that they should rotate the wheels a little slower (maybe half the speed) to help keep that tasty Great American food down! Of course, it doesn't really matter any more :-( > I wonder why they don't list the Whizzer as one of their coasters at the > website? I have no idea. Maybe they consider it a kiddie, or junior coaster? -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From serpmage@juno.com Mon Mar 26 08:24:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 16:24:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 52453 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 16:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 16:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 17:25:56 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAE8ZKUFJQaUcbs3QhWJVOhGQI6PWJ7BX3w=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FZGJ7SQN; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:23:56 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:23:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life Message-ID: <20010326.112345.192.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,10-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." > that the Tower of Terror has a system of locking the car onto the > vertical > track before releaseing from the horizontal track. If it releases > early, it > will not be on any track, and it really will fall down the elevator > shaft... Actually, on ToT, the car is loaded into and locked down inside the actual transport mechanism, like putting a big box into an elevator. The car passengers are sitting in is not directly in contact with the track of the shaft. Tim the Poor Engineering Student --------------------- I meant what I said, And I said what I meant, An elephant's faithful, One hundred percent. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Mar 26 08:29:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 16:29:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 77007 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 16:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 16:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 16:29:02 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03002 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:29:01 -0600 Message-Id: <200103261629.KAA03002@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:29:01 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <000501c0b5f8$d52284e0$7683f186@jducharme> from "Jay Ducharme" at Mar 26, 2001 08:29:49 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > >Do you seriously think they would build such a ride without addressing > those issues?< > > Sadly, yes I do. Or at least, IMO, companies rush a bit to get the "newest I sort of think of it this way. If I had seen construction pics of a Giant Drop that were similar to the pics we are seeing of the tilt, I would think "oh my .. what if the brakes don't stop it??". But we (now) know that those brakes are totally foolproof. There would be no way of knowing that from looking at photos .. yet the ride really is safe.. I am not making any judgements on the Tilt for exactly the same reason. > By the way, I like your suggestion of the hollow areas being sockets into > which some sort of pin would lock. That makes a lot of sense. And I'm not even a Mechanical Engineer! Imagine what someone with a bit (or a lot!) of training could come up with!!! -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From Pavlojr@aol.com Mon Mar 26 15:26:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pavlojr@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 23:26:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 87095 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 23:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 23:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 00:27:13 -0000 Received: from Pavlojr@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.3a.12bc1871 (3318) for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:25:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3a.12bc1871.27f12a04@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:25:56 EST Subject: Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Pavlojr@aol.com hey all whats up with drachen fire i went to roller coaster database (rcdb.com) and it said drachen fire is standing but not operating my ? is why? john From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Mon Mar 26 17:00:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 01:00:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3149 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 00:59:57 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.bc.1239f6e5 (25514) for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:59:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:59:49 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BGW cannot decide what to do with this coaster. First, it was up for sale with internet rumors running rampant that it was sold to another park. Second, low ridership causing BGW to decide to shut it down. Third, BGW rumors have it that they may re-open the coaster for 2002 after doing some modifications. One would think that any park who has a coaster would operate it so that it's performing in peak condition and doesn't decay to the point where they must take it down due to safety reasons. Example: Flashback @ SFMM. This brings up another point I want to bring up: SFMM's Goldrusher coaster (the original built at the park) has extremely low ridership, but the park still operates and maintains it as it's part of the parks heritage. Never, Ever, Lose Sight of the Thrill !!! Joe (who loves the fact that SFMM will overtake CP as far as the number of coasters) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tbolt@javanet.com Mon Mar 26 17:59:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt@javanet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 01:59:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 39318 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 01:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 01:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.javanet.com) (205.219.162.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 03:00:24 -0000 Received: from kraken (209-94-151-2.s2.tnt1.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.151.2]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA28206 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:59:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c0b65f$eeba29a0$f765fea9@mvnet.wnec.edu> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:47:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Kevin D. Dorey" > SFMM's Goldrusher coaster (the original built at the park) has extremely low > ridership, but the park still operates and maintains it as it's part of the > parks heritage. Yeah, but I *highly* doubt that the closure of Drachen Fire has to do with low ridership, but rather with perpetual lawsuits resulting from the ride. But truthfully, that's what you get when you give a B&M design to a company who can't make anything decent outside of their normal 'off the shelf' inversions, including transitions. And let's face it, Drachen Fire is everything BUT a standard Arrow creation. From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Mar 26 18:02:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 02:02:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 53464 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNfPpP6oTlgDbsfaSALKx9CQ=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZHLAH5S; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:02:08 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:58:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma Message-ID: <20010326.200127.-691199.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,12-23,27-30 From: "Nate K." > I like Vekoma too, but I that's because I love the other things the > they do. Like what? Madhouses? Ferris wheels? > Also, they are still the company that designs the clones that > smaller parks > purchace. Actually very few "smaller parks" have taken advantage of this. Who has bought all the boomers and SLC's? Mostly, it's been parks in the Six Flags chain (parks that have money for bigger & better rides but buy cheap clones to save money). >B&M dosen't offer > pre-made > models. B&M has cloned *several* coasters (including B:TR and Raptor). >Now that Vekoma > is > getting into the larger rides with SF parks, we will see a change. Uh-huh. Right. Like, now they'll start cloning their Flying Dutchman coasters, too? Where's this change you speak of? As Lance said, it's Vekoma who would rather do clones. Look on their website (www.vekoma.com) and you'll see. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! 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From STINO999@aol.com Mon Mar 26 18:05:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 02:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 59410 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 02:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 02:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 02:05:14 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.ee.1309884a (4573) for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:04:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:04:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>B&M has cloned *several* coasters (including B:TR and Raptor).<< What is the clone of Raptor? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Pavlojr@aol.com Mon Mar 26 18:23:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pavlojr@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 02:23:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 2775 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 02:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 02:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 02:23:33 -0000 Received: from Pavlojr@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.bb.cd7e4b0 (18403) for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:23:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:23:09 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Pavlojr@aol.com thanks guys this was a subject i liked to find out something on because it was just built in 1991 i thought it was running with flying colors who built it arrow? john From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Mar 26 18:41:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 02:41:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 44567 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 02:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 02:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 03:42:13 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNOoZ2fv5YHeWGplrHnXkdog=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZHNG5Q4; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:40:42 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:40:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma Message-ID: <20010326.204006.-691199.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Nate K." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>B&M has cloned *several* coasters (including B:TR and Raptor).<< > > What is the clone of Raptor? Orochi at Osaka Expoland in Japan. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Mar 26 18:44:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 02:44:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 38562 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 02:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 02:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 03:45:42 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNztmXBqfJtgUPNc4JVF5lQg=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZHNNJR5; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:43:39 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:42:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire Message-ID: <20010326.204257.-691199.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,8-11 From: "Nate K." > thanks guys this was a subject i liked to find out something on > because it > was just built in 1991 i thought it was running with flying colors > who built it arrow? Drachen Fire has been closed down since 1998. Arrow built the ride, but it was adapted from a B&M design. Adam's site ( http://members.nbci.com/lonnol/drachenfire.htm ) will tell you a whole lot more. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Pavlojr@aol.com Mon Mar 26 19:38:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pavlojr@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 03:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 65387 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 03:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 03:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 04:39:21 -0000 Received: from Pavlojr@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.66.d4b84f9 (4565) for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:38:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <66.d4b84f9.27f16522@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:38:10 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Pavlojr@aol.com In a message dated 3/26/01 6:46:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: << http://members.nbci.com/lonnol/drachenfire.htm >> cool thanks From gocubs7@hotmail.com Tue Mar 27 04:27:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 12:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 3479 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 12:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 12:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.175) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 12:27:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 04:27:02 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.92 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:27:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.92] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:27:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2001 12:27:02.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A1A21D0:01C0B6B9] From: "Tim Schroll" B&M has cloned *several* coasters (including B:TR and Raptor). Has Raptor been cloned? If so, where is it? Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Mar 27 07:40:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 15:40:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 3922 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 15:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010327154045.17959.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4902.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:40:45 PST Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:40:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010326.200127.-691199.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- "Nate K." wrote: > > Also, they are still the company that designs the > clones that > > smaller parks > > purchace. > > Actually very few "smaller parks" have taken > advantage of this. Who has > bought all the boomers and SLC's? Mostly, it's been > parks in the Six > Flags chain (parks that have money for bigger & > better rides but buy > cheap clones to save money). Actually, you must rember that many of these now Six Flags parks were "smaller parks" when they got clones. For example SFWoA got their boomer and SLC before the SF buy out, same with SFKK's Boomer & SLC. Heck at the time even KBF was still considered a "smaller park" when they got their boomer. Jazzland, with their financial troubles can barely afford an SLC let alone a Beemer. Furthermore, Vekoma has done a lot of work with smaller overseas parks. > >B&M dosen't offer > > pre-made > > models. > > B&M has cloned *several* coasters (including B:TR > and Raptor). And many B&M's follow the 'Kumba' layout! *koff*KRAKEN*koff. > Uh-huh. Right. Like, now they'll start cloning > their Flying Dutchman > coasters, too? Where's this change you speak of? > As Lance said, it's > Vekoma who would rather do clones. Look on their > website > (www.vekoma.com) and you'll see. And from a business sense, that is understandable. Less effort in design+less chance of test glitches = more reliable product + increased sales. They can now offer a comparable product at a greatly reduced cost. To most park guests, the difference in a B&M and a Vekoma is not significant. Sure one may ride better, but if the other does the job, that is good enough. It's kinda like buying a Ford instead of a Benz. Sure a Benz is a much better product, but a Ford will get you from A to B just as well (providing the tires dont explode =]). lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Mar 27 10:03:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 18:03:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 1706 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 18:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 18:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 18:02:33 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN4+7+cyBZk6d4cQfwl/L4DA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZKA8URT; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:02:25 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:01:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma Message-ID: <20010327.120147.-663431.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,17-21,24-35,41-44 From: "Nate K." > > Actually very few "smaller parks" have taken > > advantage of this. Who has > > bought all the boomers and SLC's? Mostly, it's been > > parks in the Six > > Flags chain (parks that have money for bigger & > > better rides but buy > > cheap clones to save money). > Actually, you must rember that many of these now Six > Flags parks were "smaller parks" when they got clones. > For example SFWoA got their boomer and SLC before the > SF buy out, same with SFKK's Boomer & SLC. Are you sure? I know that SFWoA, SFKK, and others had their SLCs and boomers before they were named a Six Flags park, but were they not given these rides while under Premier's ownership? They may have been small parks at the time, but they were owned by a larger company that obviously had the money for larger, more expensive rides. >Furthermore, Vekoma has done a lot of > work with smaller overseas parks. Well...which foreign parks will recieve Vekoma products this year? Six Flags Belgium gets a boomer and Warner Bros. Movie World buys an SLC. These are hardly what one would call "small parks." > > As Lance said, it's > > Vekoma who would rather do clones. Look on their > > website > > (www.vekoma.com) and you'll see. > And from a business sense, that is understandable. > Less effort in design+less chance of test glitches = > more reliable product + increased sales. They can now > offer a comparable product at a greatly reduced cost. Oh, I completely agree with you. I do have a problem with going to 10 different parks and riding the same rides over and over again but as you said, that doesn't affect the GP. And by building clones, the parks who buy them have no bragging rights (other then "we have a new coaster"). I would really rather not see clone after clone but there isn't much I can do about it. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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From serpmage@juno.com Tue Mar 27 10:58:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 18:58:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 31445 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 18:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 18:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 19:59:15 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAHvEalGvW4AG7PYjrOUL3FLbOZUkskkRAQ=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FZKD6XFJ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:53:48 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:53:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma Message-ID: <20010327.135341.244.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,13-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." > > > > B&M has cloned *several* coasters (including B:TR > > and Raptor). > And many B&M's follow the 'Kumba' layout! > *koff*KRAKEN*koff. If you look at B&M loopers of any kind, they have a pretty distinct inversion pattern, but the transitions between the elements are all different. Eventhough the first half of Kraken and Kumba have the same inversions in the same order, they are at different angles, and the same elements feel different between the two coasters. Kumba is more raw power while Kraken is more out of control flowing motion, if you understand that. Tim the Poor Engineering Student --------------------- I meant what I said, And I said what I meant, An elephant's faithful, One hundred percent. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Mar 27 11:57:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 19:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 8479 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 19:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 19:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 19:57:55 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.3c.96e1e11 (14379) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:57:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3c.96e1e11.27f24a97@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:57:11 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/26/2001 10:38:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Pavlojr@aol.com writes: > After reviewing the pictures and the structure for Drachen Fire - wouldn't B& M trains be better on this coaster? Is that possible? The ride looks very good and rideable. It shouldn't be sitting there. I believe it's the trains that are causing the problems. Keep on Coasting into the new millennium! Never Ever Lose Sight of the Thrill! Joe (who wants Drachen Fire to open) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Mar 27 12:16:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 20:16:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 74418 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 20:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 20:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 20:16:21 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02585 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:16:20 -0600 Message-Id: <200103272016.OAA02585@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:16:20 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <3c.96e1e11.27f24a97@aol.com> from "joe.dolce@mustangs.com" at Mar 27, 2001 02:57:11 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > After reviewing the pictures and the structure for Drachen Fire - wouldn't B& > M trains be better on this coaster? Is that possible? I doubt it. B&Ms have the side wheels on the outside, while arrow trains have the side wheels on the inside. The construction of the track makes it impossible to mix trains and track. I have one question about Drachen Fire that no-one has ever been able to answer for me: What one earth was the Cutback element which was removed?? -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Mar 27 12:22:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 20:22:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 92701 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 20:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 20:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 20:22:52 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.93.8c55970 (14379) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:22:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <93.8c55970.27f25098@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:22:48 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/27/2001 3:16:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: > I doubt it. B&Ms have the side wheels on the outside, while arrow trains > have the side wheels on the inside. The construction of the track makes > Why can't B&M come in and re-track the ride? Then, put their coasters on it. Will the supports support this kind of modification? Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Mar 27 12:26:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 20:26:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 72993 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 20:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 20:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 20:26:24 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.54.11ed86f8 (15888) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from web30.aolmail.aol.com (web30.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:26:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:26:15 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <54.11ed86f8.27f2516b@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com The only problem with B&M trains on that ride would be arrow's supports. The kinda put supports in places that are very tight. It almost looks like you're going to hit supports as it is. B&M trains would NEVER work without SOME sort of major modification to the ride. Also, have any of you ever noticed how similar this ride is to Hulk?? i'm STILL thinking the ride was meant to be a launch....it might have been the first of it's kind... Josh From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Mar 27 12:31:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 20:31:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 5626 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 20:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 20:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 20:31:52 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.83.8bf76f0 (14379) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:31:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <83.8bf76f0.27f252b5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:31:49 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/27/2001 3:26:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, MxPx2@aol.com writes: > The only problem with B&M trains on that ride would be arrow's supports. The > kinda put supports in places that are very tight. It almost looks like > you're going to hit supports as it is. B&M trains would NEVER work without > SOME sort of major modification to the ride. > Also, have any of you ever noticed how similar this ride is to Hulk?? i'm > STILL thinking the ride was meant to be a launch....it might have been the > first of it's kind... > My question then is if this ride cannot be modified. I suggest the ride be torn down, and re-built by B&M. Drachen Fire's Revenge would be a great name. If it's not torn down, then BGW should open it, and let people ride it. Even if, the ridership is low. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tbolt@javanet.com Tue Mar 27 12:38:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt@javanet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 20:38:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 27700 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 20:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 20:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.javanet.com) (205.219.162.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 21:39:53 -0000 Received: from kraken (209-94-153-210.s210.tnt2.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.153.210]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA05143 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:38:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c0b6fc$522bf440$f765fea9@mvnet.wnec.edu> To: References: <200103272016.OAA02585@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:27:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Kevin D. Dorey" > I doubt it. B&Ms have the side wheels on the outside, while arrow trains > have the side wheels on the inside. The construction of the track makes > it impossible to mix trains and track. Perhaps impossible with off-the-shelf trains, but that doesn't necessarily mean that BEC and B&M couldn't have a train custom-made to fit the track. I think it's more a question of whether BEC sees it worth the investment, and trains aren't all that inexpensive, let alone custom designed trains... I have a feeling BEC would rather put the money toward new attractions--I probably would do the same, too. Kevin From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Mar 27 12:51:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 20:51:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 52522 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 20:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 20:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 20:51:01 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02831 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:51:00 -0600 Message-Id: <200103272051.OAA02831@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:51:00 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <93.8c55970.27f25098@aol.com> from "joe.dolce@mustangs.com" at Mar 27, 2001 03:22:48 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > > I doubt it. B&Ms have the side wheels on the outside, while arrow trains > > have the side wheels on the inside. The construction of the track makes > > Why can't B&M come in and re-track the ride? Then, put their coasters on > it. Oh, I think at this point you're building a new coaster. The station, lift and brakes would all need to be replaced. Not to mention control devices (B&M trains may not work correctly to trigger the arrow sensors..) -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Mar 27 13:05:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 21:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 75491 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 21:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 21:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 21:04:59 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecN3EOJsKvBkHHylXTSySeWHA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZKMM3EU; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:04:24 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:03:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire Message-ID: <20010327.150339.-663431.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,11-15 From: "Nate K." > I have one question about Drachen Fire that no-one has ever been > able to > answer for me: What one earth was the Cutback element which was > removed?? The cutback element was never removed. There was originally another corkscrew after the midcourse brakes that was removed, but the cutback stayed. Using RCT terms, a cutback is either a half corkscrew (right), half corkscrew (right) or a half corkscrew (left), half corkscrew (left). There's a nice picture of Drachen Fire's cutback on Adam's site (http://members.nbci.com/lonnol/drachenfire.htm ). See: http://members.nbci.com/lonnol/drachenfire2.JPG . -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Mar 27 13:08:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 21:08:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 98543 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 21:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 21:08:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 21:08:03 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02981 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:07:59 -0600 Message-Id: <200103272107.PAA02981@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:07:59 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <20010327.150339.-663431.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Mar 27, 2001 03:03:35 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > The cutback element was never removed. There was originally another OOHHH .. Ok, I guess I mis-read it then. Thanks, Nate! > There's a nice picture of Drachen Fire's cutback on Adam's site Yeah, I saw that pic and thought that it might have been it. Thanks again. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From crontman@aol.com Tue Mar 27 17:12:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 01:12:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 12839 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 01:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 01:12:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 01:12:23 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.94.1215bf20 (3974) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:11:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <94.1215bf20.27f29455@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:11:49 EST Subject: Question: Ultra Coaster 3D To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com Has anyone bought Ultra Coaster 3D? Is it worth the money? I downloaded the demo which only included one rideable coaster. It looks really good so far but I'm wondering if the actual designing of the ride is as fun as riding it. Thanks, Dave R. From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Mar 27 18:47:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 02:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 52470 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 02:47:44 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.40.96ecd9c (15869) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:47:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:47:25 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <40.96ecd9c.27f2aabe@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com << My question then is if this ride cannot be modified. I suggest the ride be torn down, and re-built by B&M. Drachen Fire's Revenge would be a great name. If it's not torn down, then BGW should open it, and let people ride it. Even if, the ridership is low. Joe >> The only problem with that is...why? it's one of the *FEW* Arrow's that i actually enjoyed. honestly, even though it bumped and banged, and gave me a headache after a couple of rides, i still loved it. and a lot of people on this list would agree with me, too. I guess you could say i was one of the lucky ones to have ridden it. Josh From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Mar 27 20:04:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 04:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 25288 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 04:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 04:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 05:06:00 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.d7.43c7cfe (2169) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:04:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:04:44 EST Subject: PETITION TO GET DRACHEN FIRE OPEN !!!!! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see how many of us sign this. Last one to sign, please forward it to me, and I'll send it to BGW: We the undersigned would like for Drachen Fire to be reopened as it is one off the best coasters Busch Gardens Williamsburg has. 1. Joe Dolce, Tampa Bay FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Mar 27 20:06:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 04:06:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40815 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 04:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 04:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 04:06:56 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.bd.ce2204a (2169) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:06:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:06:53 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PETITION TO GET DRACHEN FIRE OPEN !!!!! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit by the way, my email address is joe.dolce@mustangs.com Thanks, Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Pavlojr@aol.com Tue Mar 27 20:14:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pavlojr@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 04:14:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 46887 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 04:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 04:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 04:14:36 -0000 Received: from Pavlojr@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.be.11fae0a8 (5726) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:14:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:14:23 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PETITION TO GET DRACHEN FIRE OPEN !!!!! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Pavlojr@aol.com 2.John Pavlock Jr, Las Vegas, NV From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 27 20:30:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 04:30:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 85792 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 04:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 04:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 05:31:06 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA117095652 Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:30:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AC169A6.C762B3C0@gte.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:33:42 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PETITION TO GET DRACHEN FIRE OPEN !!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Tell you what guys- why not all of you just send your names to Joe offlist, rather than doing this on the list and clogging up everyones boxes with just your names and the petition again. I think that would be a much more effective way, and least irritating to those with full boxes. Thanks for your understanding and agreement on this. Also a side note- internet petitions are notorious for getting ignored. A handwritten one with notes would be more noticeable. I don't know that either would be effective, but you've got a better shot putting it in writing. Keep on ridin' George Pavlojr@aol.com and joe.dolce@mustangs.com wrote: > Let's see how many of us sign this. Last one to sign, please forward it to > > me, and I'll send it to BGW: > > We the undersigned would like for Drachen Fire to be reopened as it is one > off the best coasters Busch Gardens Williamsburg has. > > 1. Joe Dolce, Tampa Bay FL > 2.John Pavlock Jr, Las Vegas, NV > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 04:23:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 12:23:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22649 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 12:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 12:23:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.61) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 12:23:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:23:23 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.71 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:23:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.71] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PETITION TO GET DRACHEN FIRE OPEN !!!!! Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:23:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 12:23:23.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[E229D370:01C0B781] From: "Tim Schroll" > >Let's see how many of us sign this. Last one to sign, please forward it to >me, and I'll send it to BGW: > >We the undersigned would like for Drachen Fire to be reopened as it is one >off the best coasters Busch Gardens Williamsburg has. > >1. Joe Dolce, Tampa Bay FL >2. Tim Schroll, Michigan City IN > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Mar 28 04:30:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 12:30:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 39545 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 12:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 12:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.117) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 12:30:31 -0000 Received: (cpmta 22998 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 04:30:30 -0800 Date: 28 Mar 2001 04:30:30 -0800 Message-ID: <20010328123030.22997.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 28 Mar 2001 12:30:30 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 28 Mar 2001 04:30:30 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire From: jay@karenandjay.com > thanks guys this was a subject i liked to find out something on because it > was just built in 1991 i thought it was running with flying colors who built it arrow?< Adam wrote a terrific history of this ride on his site. I don't have the URL in front of me; can you make a plug for your page, Adam? Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Mar 28 04:32:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 12:32:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 43442 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.116) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 12:32:27 -0000 Received: (cpmta 11267 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 04:32:27 -0800 Date: 28 Mar 2001 04:32:26 -0800 Message-ID: <20010328123226.11266.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 28 Mar 2001 12:32:26 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 28 Mar 2001 04:32:26 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire From: jay@karenandjay.com > Adam's site (http://members.nbci.com/lonnol/drachenfire.htm ) will tell you a whole lot more.< Ooops. I should have kept sifting through the mail. Thanks, Nate! Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Mar 28 05:02:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 13:02:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 930 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 13:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 13:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.117) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 13:02:47 -0000 Received: (cpmta 569 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 05:02:46 -0800 Date: 28 Mar 2001 05:02:46 -0800 Message-ID: <20010328130246.568.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 28 Mar 2001 13:02:46 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 28 Mar 2001 05:02:46 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire From: jay@karenandjay.com > After reviewing the pictures and the structure for Drachen Fire - wouldn't B& > M trains be better on this coaster? Is that possible? The ride looks very > good and rideable. It shouldn't be sitting there. I believe it's the trains > that are causing the problems.< I think it's less a problem with the trains than with the track. But both are culprits. Arrow modified their train bodies for Drachen Fire, but didn't modify the chassis. Arrow never used a shock-absorber system like B&M does, nor do they seat people 4-across for more stability. But that aside, Arrow has a fundamentally flawed track design. It works well for smaller inverting coasters, like their corkscrews. But when subjected to much more force and higher speed, their track simply doesn't work as well as B&M's. Arrow's main problem (as many of you have heard me say here before) is its use of a tubular spine, which is a much less precise and less stable method for attaching ledgers than B&M's tesselated spine. Watch any big Arrow looper go through its paces, and you can see each inversion sway back and forth as the train goes through it. Over time, the effect is similar to bending a wire back and forth over and over: the metal starts to crack. Supposedly, this is why 6FGAdv had to replace the tops of all the inversions on Scream Machine. And as most of you know, Arrow licensed its patents for use on Vekoma's coasters. Because it's harder to precisely line up ledgers on a circular spine, there are far fewer problems if the track doesn't curve. This is part of the reason for the lousy transitions Arrow is notorious for: a long run of straight track followed by a bend then another run of straight track. It's more like laying out plumbing than designing coaster track. The home stretch on Magnum is a perfect example. (IMO, Magnum, Gemini and Arrow's mine trains have held up better because there are no inversions. All forces are directed straight down to the ground. Also, many of the mine trains don't use a circular spine at all: the rails are bolted to wooden ledgers.) On a circular spine, any slight misalignment from ledger to ledger can translate into a shudder as the train races through its course. Compounding the problem is that, unlike B&M, Arrow rarely "locked" their trains to the track. There traditionally has been a slight gap between the rails and the upstop wheels. So as the train loses momentum going into an inversion, the upstops can make contact with the track. Then as the train regains momentum, the load-bearing wheels take over again. This can produce an uncomfortable bumping or shuddering sensation. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Mar 28 05:10:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 13:10:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 29040 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 13:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 13:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.133) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 14:12:00 -0000 Received: (cpmta 20882 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 05:10:55 -0800 Date: 28 Mar 2001 05:10:55 -0800 Message-ID: <20010328131055.20881.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 28 Mar 2001 13:10:55 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 28 Mar 2001 05:10:55 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Ultra Coaster 3D From: jay@karenandjay.com > Has anyone bought Ultra Coaster 3D?< Reactor Software's Ultra Coaster is so far the best coaster design program I've used. It's intuitive (with practice) and versatile, though it's a one-trick pony: you can only built Arrow-style rides. But that limitation is still worth the low price ($20). Plus, it's a screen saver! (Be sure to download the free screen saver patch from RS's website.) If you do get it, let me know and I'd be glad to send you some of the many designs I've created. I'm having a blast! Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Mar 28 06:13:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 14:13:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 74447 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 14:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 14:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 14:13:06 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09271 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:13:05 -0600 Message-Id: <200103281413.IAA09271@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:13:05 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <20010328130246.568.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> from "jay@karenandjay.com" at Mar 28, 2001 05:02:46 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > Compounding the problem is that, unlike B&M, Arrow rarely "locked" their > trains to the track. There traditionally has been a slight gap between > the rails and the upstop wheels. Actually, be bigger gap is between the track and the side wheels. When one side wheel is touching the track, the other side has close to half and inch of space between it and the side of the rail. No matter how gentle a curve starts, the train will actually slam into it and bounce from side to side. Interestingly, B&M trains also have a slight gap between the upstops and the track. It's the SIDE wheels that have the springs (well, pads) to keep them in constant contact with the track. (On several B&Ms, you can see the upstops spinning freely when the train hits the inal brakes...). Cam -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From tangerineimac@hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 06:46:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tangerineimac@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 14:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 85325 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.9.205) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 15:47:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:46:33 -0800 Received: from 208.10.214.226 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:46:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.10.214.226] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: remove from any future e-mails Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:46:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 14:46:33.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1AAA140:01C0B795] From: "Alec Goins" >From: jay@karenandjay.com >Reply-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question: Ultra Coaster 3D >Date: 28 Mar 2001 05:10:55 -0800 > > > Has anyone bought Ultra Coaster 3D?< > >Reactor Software's Ultra Coaster is so far the best coaster design program >I've used. It's intuitive (with practice) and versatile, though it's a >one-trick pony: you can only built Arrow-style rides. But that limitation >is still worth the low price ($20). Plus, it's a screen saver! (Be sure >to download the free screen saver patch from RS's website.) > >If you do get it, let me know and I'd be glad to send you some of the many >designs I've created. I'm having a blast! > >Jay > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From stephanie@stealyourface.com Wed Mar 28 08:25:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie@stealyourface.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 16:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 64056 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 16:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 16:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail15b.boca15-verio.com) (208.55.91.59) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 17:25:38 -0000 Received: from www.stealyourface.com (131.103.239.77) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.58s) with SMTP id 08678619 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:24:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AC21EE2.736B2C4A@stealyourface.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:26:58 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: SFOG next week? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Stephanie Beck I am going to Atlanta for work this afternoon, and I will be there until a week from Saturday. I have never been to SFOG, and I see on the Six Flags website that the park will be open for Spring Break next week. I will have one day next week to go. My question is, how crowded is SFOG usually during the week of Spring Break? And if it is extremely crowded, what should I absolutely NOT miss? Thanks, Stephanie From jynx31401@yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 14:04:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jynx31401@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 22:04:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 33151 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 22:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 22:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web13203.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.188) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 22:03:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20010328220344.58140.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.46.3.42] by web13203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:03:44 PST Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:03:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFOG next week? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3AC21EE2.736B2C4A@stealyourface.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David McCollum > I am going to Atlanta for work this afternoon, and I > will be there until > a week from Saturday. I have never been to SFOG, and > I see on the Six > Flags website that the park will be open for Spring > Break next week. I > will have one day next week to go. My question is, > how crowded is SFOG > usually during the week of Spring Break? And if it > is extremely crowded, > what should I absolutely NOT miss? Stepahnie, you will have a great time. It will be crowded, but probably not as badly as you think. You should definitely not miss the Georgia Scorcher (B&M), The Mindbender (Schwartzkopf), and the Great American Scream Machine (PTC). I hope that you have a wonderful time. Let us know what you think. David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 14:15:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 22:15:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 74961 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 22:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 22:14:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.44) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 22:14:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010328221423.37090.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.187.112.70] by web10908.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:14:23 PST Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:14:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: PKD weekdays To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral Question... Why is PKD open on april 10-12th? I am planning on going on the 10th but am curious as to why they are open only on these weekdays for the whole month. Does it have something to do with high schools? (spring break, physics day, etc.) Because if Hypersonic is as much of a capacity nightmare as reported, I sure do not want to be stuck in line for hours, as we would like to get in multiple rides. thanks quack quack -Brian F. (who hates Cleveland) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 14:24:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 22:24:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 85860 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.38) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 22:24:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010328222402.82663.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.187.112.70] by web10902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:24:02 PST Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:24:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sorry, not impressed To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster picture, I guess I was expecting something a little bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, and X) And to back this up, I use S:UE as an example. Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if it were a little higher up. "But that's just like... you know, your opinion, man." (The Big Lebowski) quack quack -Brian F. (Who REALLY hates Cleveland!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Mar 28 14:44:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 22:44:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 48210 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 22:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 22:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4903.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.28) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 22:44:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20010328224441.22158.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:44:41 PST Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:44:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] PKD weekdays To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010328221423.37090.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- brian farral wrote: > Question... > > Why is PKD open on april 10-12th? I am planning on > going on the 10th but am curious as to why they are > open only on these weekdays for the whole month. > Does > it have something to do with high schools? (spring > break, physics day, etc.) Because if Hypersonic is > as > much of a capacity nightmare as reported, I sure do > not want to be stuck in line for hours, as we would > like to get in multiple rides. thanks Actually, they are open from Tuesday (10th) to Friday (13...spooky =]). Similarly, SFA will also be open from Wednesday (11th) to Saturday (14th). This is the annual "Spring Break Out" week which coincides with Easter weekend. Many area schools will be on spring break, but I dont *think* there are many activites specifically planned for high schoolers. I didnt go to these events last year so I have no idea how the crowds will be. Though if I had to venture a guess, I would think PKD would still be rater slow. SFA on the other hand, since it is closer to DC and it is it's opening week may be a little more crowded. I cant really give you much more advice than that. Sorry =( lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From STINO999@aol.com Wed Mar 28 14:49:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 22:49:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 16459 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 22:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 22:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r15.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 22:49:05 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.ff.3e71c7c (3893) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:48:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:48:53 EST Subject: RollerCoaster Project To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a project in school and I was wondering if anyone could help. First the project is on a carrear in pysics and I chose a RollerCoaster designer. If anyone can help it would be greatly apreciated. I need the salery of a designer, the education needed, and qualitys disigners look for. If anyone can help it would be appreciated. Thanks for your help. Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Mar 28 14:55:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 22:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 78988 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 22:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 22:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.6.168.27) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 23:56:45 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12419 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:55:40 -0600 Message-Id: <200103282255.QAA12419@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RollerCoaster Project To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:55:40 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "STINO999@aol.com" at Mar 28, 2001 05:48:53 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > I have a project in school and I was wondering if anyone could help. First Try going to the arrow webpage and sending e-mail to a few of the addresses there. (There is an employment address, as well as marketing .. try both). Remember, be polite! You could also try calling them directly .. there's a phone number on the main page. http://www.arrowdynamics.com I only checked for arrow, but I reckon other companies would have sites too. I would stick to the US manufactures, simply because you'll better be able to judge the US saleries and training needed. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 14:55:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 22:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 74679 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 22:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 22:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 22:55:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:55:40 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:55:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:55:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 22:55:40.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[361FC860:01C0B7DA] From: "Chris Kearsing" >quack quack >-Brian F. (Who REALLY hates Cleveland!) FWIW, I hate Cleveland too. And SFO makes me mad. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Mar 28 16:13:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 00:13:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 49139 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 00:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 00:13:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 00:13:04 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.fd.3f6d3ae (18405) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:12:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:12:57 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster picture, I guess I was expecting something a little bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, and X) And to back this up, I use S:UE as an example. Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if it were a little higher up. Brian- first off, Giava= Giovanola. Second, this is only the prototype. In this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's kind, and it almost guarantees it will be crap. X will be crap, Hypersonic XLC (and I am referring to the layout) is crap. Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher than Arrow! Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a prototype. Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be riding teacups. Still though, a ride is a ride. If I ever take a trip to Japan for Steel Dragon 2,000 I will definitely go over and ride the tilt coaster because it's a new kind of thrill. The same go for X, Giovanola tilt, and HSXLC. A large percentage of the coasters out there are or were at some time a marvel of modern engineering, so at least pretend to be impressed. Of course, I apologize if my quacking seemed aggressive, I was just trying to bring this to your attention. Mark Wilson (who loves Chinese food and my vibrating penguin keychain) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Mar 28 16:15:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 00:15:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 50631 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 00:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 00:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 00:15:38 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.82.8d8b0ae (18405) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:15:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.8d8b0ae.27f3d895@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:15:17 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster picture, I guess I was expecting something a little bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, and X) And to back this up, I use S:UE as an example. Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if it were a little higher up. Brian- first off, Giava= Giovanola. Second, this is only the prototype. In this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's kind, and it almost guarantees it will be crap. X will be crap, Hypersonic XLC (and I am referring to the layout) is crap. Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher than Arrow! Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a prototype. Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be riding teacups. Still though, a ride is a ride. If I ever take a trip to Japan for Steel Dragon 2,000 I will definitely go over and ride the tilt coaster because it's a new kind of thrill. The same go for X, Giovanola tilt, and HSXLC. A large percentage of the coasters out there are or were at some time a marvel of modern engineering, so at least pretend to be impressed. Of course, I apologize if my quacking seemed aggressive, I was just trying to bring this to your attention. Mark Wilson (who loves Chinese food and my vibrating penguin keychain) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Mar 28 16:20:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 00:20:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 61977 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 00:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 00:20:22 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.b0.1264be82 (18405) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:20:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:20:15 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster picture, I guess I was expecting something a little bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, and X) And to back this up, I use S:UE as an example. Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if it were a little higher up. Brian- first off, Giava= Giovanola. Second, this is only the prototype. In this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's kind, and it almost guarantees it will be crap. X will be crap, Hypersonic XLC (and I am referring to the layout) is crap. Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher than Arrow! Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a prototype. Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be riding teacups. Still though, a ride is a ride. If I ever take a trip to Japan for Steel Dragon 2,000 I will definitely go over and ride the tilt coaster because it's a new kind of thrill. The same go for X, Giovanola tilt, and HSXLC. A large percentage of the coasters out there are or were at some time a marvel of modern engineering, so at least pretend to be impressed. Of course, I apologize if my quacking seemed aggressive, I was just trying to bring this to your attention. Mark Wilson (who loves Chinese food and my vibrating penguin key chain) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Mar 28 16:22:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 00:22:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 66758 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 00:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 00:22:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 01:23:30 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.e3.125f2176 (18405) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:22:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:22:24 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster picture, I guess I was expecting something a little bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, and X) And to back this up, I use S:UE as an example. Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if it were a little higher up. Brian- first off, Giava= Giovanola. Second, this is only the prototype. In this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's kind, and it almost guarantees it will be crap. X will be crap, Hypersonic XLC (and I am referring to the layout) is crap. Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher than Arrow! Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a prototype. Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be riding teacups. Still though, a ride is a ride. If I ever take a trip to Japan for Steel Dragon 2,000 I will definitely go over and ride the tilt coaster because it's a new kind of thrill. The same go for X, Giovanola tilt, and HSXLC. A large percentage of the coasters out there are or were at some time a marvel of modern engineering, so at least pretend to be impressed. Of course, I apologize if my quacking seemed aggressive, I was just trying to bring this to your attention. Mark Wilson (who loves Chinese food and my vibrating penguin key chain) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Mar 28 16:37:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 00:37:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 15874 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.2f.13032b0e (18405) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:37:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2f.13032b0e.27f3ddb9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:37:13 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster picture, I guess I was expecting something a little bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, and X) And to back this up, I use S:UE as an example. Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if it were a little higher up. Brian- first off, Giava= Giovanola. Second, this is only the prototype. In this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's kind, and it almost guarantees it will be crap. X will be crap, Hypersonic XLC (and I am referring to the layout) is crap. Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher than Arrow! Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a prototype. Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be riding teacups. Still though, a ride is a ride. If I ever take a trip to Japan for Steel Dragon 2,000 I will definitely go over and ride the tilt coaster because it's a new kind of thrill. The same go for X, Giovanola tilt, and HSXLC. A large percentage of the coasters out there are or were at some time a marvel of modern engineering, so at least pretend to be impressed. Of course, I apologize if my quacking seemed aggressive, I was just trying to bring this to your attention. Mark Wilson (who loves Chinese food and my vibrating penguin key chain) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Mar 28 16:44:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 00:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 84424 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 00:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 00:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 00:44:13 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNy+RFajVlEPXTulsujg6dWw=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZNLJTLD; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:42:52 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:42:16 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed Message-ID: <20010328.184217.-80215.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13,15-17,27-34,36-39,41-44,46-48,50-53 From: "Nate K." > Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the > Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the > tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to > look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing > the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster > picture, I guess I was expecting something a little > bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a > vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, > and X) And to back this up, I use S:U as an example. > Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and > hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if > it were a little higher up. > Second, this is only the > prototype. In this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's > kind, and it almost guarantees it will be crap. How do you figure? There have been some *fantastic* prototypes. Remember B:TR, S:UE, and Medusa (though admittedly, it wasn't much of a change for B&M)? And from what I've heard, Stealth, Oblivion, and Matterhorn are hardly what one would call "crap." Prototypes are never necessarily crap. Referring to his comments and yours, just because a ride is a prototype doesn't mean it will be "crap." But what it does mean is that there is room for improvement and/or growth. After B:TR, inverted coasters got much larger. The same goes for H:XLC (according to common rumor, that is). I would say that a larger Intamin inverted impulse coaster is not out of the question. >X will be crap Agreed, but because it's a prototype. > Hypersonic XLC (and I am referring to the layout) is crap. How so? It did what it was designed to do and from what I've heard, people are quite happy with it. >Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher than Arrow! Uh...not really. Which rides are you basing that on? RNRC is glass smooth compared to Arrow rides. >Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a > prototype. > Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be > riding teacups. What??! S:TE is a fantastic ride. It does exactly what it was designed to do. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Mar 28 20:11:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 04:11:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 89397 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 04:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 04:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 04:11:58 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.103.f9a928 (4213) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:11:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.f9a928.27f41007@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:11:51 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I finally checked out those pictures of the Vekoma tilt coaster, and I'm not impressed. Sure, the tilt looks be cool, but it's not nearly high enough to look exciting. and also it's too short. After seeing the Giava... however you spell it... tilt coaster picture, I guess I was expecting something a little bigger. I mean come on... if your going to feature a vertical drop, shouldn't it be tall? (like oblivion, and X) And to back this up, I use S:UE as an example. Sure it's exciting going backwards up the spike and hanging there, but it would be even more exciting if it were a little higher up. Brian- first off, Giava= Giovanola. Second, this is only the prototype. In this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's kind, and it almost guarantees it will be crap. X will be crap, Hypersonic XLC (and I am referring to the layout) is crap. Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher than Arrow! Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a prototype. Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be riding teacups. Still though, a ride is a ride. If I ever take a trip to Japan for Steel Dragon 2,000 I will definitely go over and ride the tilt coaster because it's a new kind of thrill. The same go for X, Giovanola tilt, and HSXLC. A large percentage of the coasters out there are or were at some time a marvel of modern engineering, so at least pretend to be impressed. Of course, I apologize if my quacking seemed aggressive, I was just trying to bring this to your attention. Mark Wilson (who loves Chinese food and my vibrating penguin key chain) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Mar 28 20:46:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 04:46:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 71537 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 04:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 04:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 05:47:32 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA135042512 Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:41:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AC2BF00.5564449D@gte.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:50:08 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed References: <82.8d8b0ae.27f3d895@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash hey Mark, I'm only going to reply to one of your five posts. ;-) Mrkwilson@aol.com wrote: > Brian- first off, Giava= Giovanola. Second, this is only the prototype. In > this case, that means that it's the first contract coaster of it's kind, and > it almost guarantees it will be crap. X will be crap, Hypersonic XLC (and I > am referring to the layout) is crap. Plus, this is vekoma! They're rougher > than Arrow! Another example is Superman: The Escape. It was a prototype. > Even though it is the tallest and not to mention fastest, we might as well be > riding teacups. Still though, a ride is a ride. If I ever take a trip to > Japan for Steel Dragon 2,000 I will definitely go over and ride the tilt > coaster because it's a new kind of thrill. The same go for X, Giovanola > tilt, and HSXLC. A large percentage of the coasters out there are or were at > some time a marvel of modern engineering, so at least pretend to be > impressed. Of course, I apologize if my quacking seemed aggressive, I was > just trying to bring this to your attention. > Boy that's a lot of talking without any evidence. Superman the Escape, as an example, is not "riding teacups" I still think it is one of the biggest adrenaline rushes, out there. Definately one of my favorite rides. And the one time that we launched when I was bent over instead of head back (my sister had dropped her glasses) it was certainly no teacup! Goliath was a "prototype"- Giovanola's first solo coaster, and it's an awesome ride! In many people's top 10 list, smooth as glass, with great airtime and G's. I haven't heard anyone place it in the "pile" category. And maybe Hypersonic doesn't have a lot to it's layout, but I've heard nothing but awesome praise from people who have been on it so far. Again, not the case. And you certainly have no room to talk about X when it has not been built yet. I'm not going to rehash our old thread, but even the Arrow haters had to admit that they had made as many good coasters as bad, and when it comes to innovation, they have been one of the leaders in the past. Wait til the coaster is done and operating before you make a judgement. One last thing, you'll have a long walk to Cliffhanger if you're in Japan, or maybe I should say cruise. Cliffhanger is not in Japan, it's in Taiwan. That's a long ways away, and over a lot of water, from Japan. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Mar 28 20:56:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 04:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 91726 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 04:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 04:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 04:56:11 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.6d.1179484a (15869) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:55:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:55:57 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <6d.1179484a.27f41a5d@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com <> We DID?? I like 1.) Drachen Fire 2.) Steel Phantom Both of which are no longer standing and 3.) Gemini now, there are some I can TOLERATE, but i don't love them. Josh From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Mar 28 21:12:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 05:12:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 27794 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 05:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 05:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 06:13:36 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id XAA78887428 Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:05:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AC2C51C.9EE316FF@gte.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:16:12 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, but Arrow again References: <6d.1179484a.27f41a5d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash MxPx2@aol.com wrote: > < admit > that they had made as many good coasters as bad>> > > We DID?? > I like > 1.) Drachen Fire > 2.) Steel Phantom > Both of which are no longer standing > and 3.) Gemini > > now, there are some I can TOLERATE, but i don't love them. > OK, and there there was also Viper, which I have always found to be a smoot ride (only exception being over the wheels in the middle of the train). Also heard very good comments about the indoor looper (sorry, I forget it's name) and many still rank Desperado as a top coaster, though I'll admit I've heard several recently comment on it starting to get rough. The Demon (PGA and SFGA) also were not put down as bad coasters. Keep in mind many of Arrow's coasters are aging as they have far more "older" steel coasters than the other companies. It will be interesting to see what Intamin's and B&M's are like in 15-20 years and if they are still holding up or if they have become "junk due to being rough" Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! 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Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From Pavlojr@aol.com Wed Mar 28 21:16:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pavlojr@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 05:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 34945 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 05:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 05:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 05:16:47 -0000 Received: from Pavlojr@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.31.12809758 (4197) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:16:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <31.12809758.27f41f37@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:16:39 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, but Arrow again To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 From: Pavlojr@aol.com >OK, and there there was also Viper, which I have always found to be a smoot >ride (only exception being over the wheels in the middle of the train). Also >heard very good comments about the indoor looper (sorry, I forget it's name) >and many still rank Desperado as a top coaster, though I'll admit I've heard >several recently comment on it starting to get rough. The Demon (PGA and >SFGA) also were not put down as bad coasters. the indoor coaster is the canyon blaster inside circus circus' Grand Slam Canyon (Adventuredome) just if you wanted to know john From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Mar 28 21:21:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 05:21:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 35810 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 05:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 05:21:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 05:21:11 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.83.8dc2fd3 (4213) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:20:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <83.8dc2fd3.27f4202b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:20:43 EST Subject: I'm REALLY sorry To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All right... I just checked my mail and started to kick myself. Earlier I tried to send the post, and AOL gave me the usual signs that it didn't send.. so I just kept hitting send. THANKS AOL!!!! Again I'm really sorry I promise it won't happen again. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 21:42:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 05:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 85557 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 05:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 05:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.100) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 05:42:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:26:51 -0800 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 05:26:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:26:51 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2001 05:26:51.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CE5DC90:01C0B5B5] From: "Chris Kearsing" >I didn't know that the Paramount parks had adopted a >virtual queue system. At least for opening day, no >such program was in use. I'm not sure about the other parks, but PKD announced they would use Virtural Queue system for Hypersonic and Volcano this year. >Well, I sat in the very back. However, the three >people I was with all have ridden both the front and >the back (two went to Media Day and the third went to >a walkback @ 9am opening day announced on URC, which I >could not make). I will have to ask them how much of >a difference there was between the two. I was so >excited with just the back seat I didnt bother to >ask... Ah cool! I'm just curious as to what seat provides the better experience. I'm sure it doesn't matter where you sit for the launch, but I'd guess the back is the best for the drop. However, I bet the view is really cool in the front... >About a month ago I finally watched "Extreme Rides >2000" and you were on there talking about Medusa... Oh yeah, haha! I was blond then. Now I'm brown, my natural color. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Thu Mar 29 09:12:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 17:12:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 5116 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 17:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 17:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.34) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 17:11:43 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2THBg007481 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:11:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103291711.f2THBg007481@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rhino Rally-BGT Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:11:42 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com i went by BGT yesterday after work to ride the Skyride and check out Rhino Rally from above. then I realized that the Sky Ride only goes over the side of it, but it was the side where the walkway is and goes to station. I could see they already had water in the track area, and some gear-driven chain thing that runs alongside the track. I still couldn't figure out where the breakaway bridge is at. I was gonna ride the train since it runs right next to it. But, as my luck goes, the train was delayed when I got on it then we all had to get off, this was an hour before closing. It's going to be raining here all weekend, so I guess I will have to wait till Tuesday and make a full report from the commercial filming. Brian Ride on......... From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 09:45:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 17:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 91817 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.53) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 17:45:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010329174505.85389.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.196] by web11601.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:45:05 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:45:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Rhino Rally-BGT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200103291711.f2THBg007481@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Gustavo Queiroz When is it scheduled to open? Best, Gus. --- costanza@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > i went by BGT yesterday after work to ride the > Skyride and check out Rhino > Rally from above. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 09:57:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 17:57:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 27525 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 17:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 17:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.37) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 18:58:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010329175709.4042.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.98.94] by web10901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:57:09 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:57:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Prototypes To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <985869664.1494.19787.l10@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral Mark responded to my post about the Vekoma tilt coaster and said something like "It's a prototype, at least try to be impressed" I don't get it... I am VERY impressed at the idea of a tilt coaster, I thnk it's a great idea, just that the pictures of the vekoma tilt don't look very impressive for the reasons I already stated. I'm not saying that riding it would not be my top priority if I ever ended up in Thailand. And this has nothing to do with the name (vekoma) I could care less who builds it as long as it's good. You will never hear me say "X is crap because it's arrow." As long as it's a cool concept, I will fly out to LA and ride the thing ASAP, just like I did for Stealth, and I'm not a huge fan of Vekoma either. Quack quack -Brian F. (Who loves to laugh at the women in Cleveland who wear mullets and can't believe how stuck in the eighties this dump is.) let's see if anyone flames me for that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Thu Mar 29 09:57:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 17:57:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 7951 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 17:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 17:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.34) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 17:57:11 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f2THvA001540 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:57:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200103291757.f2THvA001540@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Rhino Rally-BGT Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:57:10 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com     When is it scheduled to open? Friday 4/13. Eek! Media day is the 11th. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 10:15:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 18:15:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 77281 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 18:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 18:15:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 19:16:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20010329181515.39198.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.98.94] by web10907.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:15:15 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Talon To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <985869664.1494.19787.l10@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral I was in Allentown airport the other day and picked up the new Dorney Park brochure. On the cover of course is Talon, but i'm kind of confused. The picture has an inverted coaster with orange track and blueish-purple supports and 8 rows of seating. The train has green seat supports and green OTSRs. Now I know that that's the color Talon is because I've seen it from the air, but these pics show people riding it. My question is, where did they get this pic? I'm not aware of any other orange, blue and green inverts. And it doesn't LOOK like a computer generated picture. Any ideas? Quack Quack, -Brian F. (who would love to work for Alaska) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Mar 29 10:29:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 18:29:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 11661 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 18:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 18:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 19:30:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNslLBqZWO//67PjZrEFSBzQ=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZQHJBA9; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:28:39 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:28:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Talon Message-ID: <20010329.122811.-785249.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,14-17 From: "Nate K." > I was in Allentown airport the other day and picked up > the new Dorney Park brochure. On the cover of course > is Talon, but i'm kind of confused. but these pics show people riding it. > My question is, where did they get this pic. My guess is it's a picture of Raptor (the only other Cedar Fairs inverted coaster) with the Talon colors airbrushed in. I don't think there have been any riders yet, and even if there have now it would have been impossible for Dorney to get that picture taken and put on the brochures in time for them to be available now (people would have had to be riding Talon a month ago for that to happen). It's an edited picture you're seeing, which is actually quite common; a lot of parks do this when they get new coasters. Or, in the case of the Six Flags parks, they just show SFMM's Viper for everything (unmodified pictures and all...). -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! 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From mike_ska@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 11:33:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 19:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 85684 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 19:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 19:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.26) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 20:34:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010329193344.15309.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.79.189.195] by web4901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:33:44 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:33:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] six flags so called "marketing" To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010329.122811.-785249.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan Or, in the case of the Six Flags > parks, they just show > SFMM's Viper for everything (unmodified pictures and > all...). Yeah thats what the commercial for S:ROS was like. It said "10 seconds of weightlessness" right as vipers train was going throgh the first loop, and it also showed the turning first drop. I had already knew what it was, but on the first day i went there (second weekend) you should of heard all the people saying "i thought this thing had a loop" or "wheres the giant turning drop off of the lift thingy" But hey, thats six flags for ya' ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 13:22:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 21:22:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 18432 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 21:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 21:22:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 22:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010329212252.58848.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.187.112.70] by web10907.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:22:52 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:22:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Titan To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral Anyone know when Titan is scheduled to open? Quack Quack -Brian F (who misses living in Dallas) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From gocubs7@hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 15:00:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 23:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 46800 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.76) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:59:45 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.47 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:59:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.47] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Talon Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:59:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2001 22:59:45.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2D0BCC0:01C0B8A3] From: "Tim Schroll" >blueish-purple supports and 8 rows of seating. The >train has green seat supports and green OTSRs. Now I >know that that's the color Talon is because I've seen >it from the air, but these pics show people riding it. > My question is, where did they get this pic? I'm not >aware of any other orange, blue and green inverts. >And it doesn't LOOK like a computer generated picture. >Any ideas? >________________ They probably just painted over another ride with a computer Tim S. (who doesnt see the point of doing writing this junk after your signature =]) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Mar 29 15:37:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 23:37:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 98932 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 23:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 23:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 00:38:22 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id RAA13480; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:37:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:37:16 -0600 Message-Id: <200103292337.RAA13480@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags new coaster pix X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" > Or, in the case of the Six Flags parks, they just show > SFMM's Viper for everything (unmodified pictures and all...). > I disagree with you. The season pass brochure for SFGAm shows pictures of parts of their two new coasters. I am almost positive that the picture they used for "Vertical Velocity" was taken of the "Superman- Ultimate Escape" at SFO. The picture of "DeJa Vu" could have been taken of almost any B&M inverted at any of the SF parks. Two years ago, when they opened "Raging Bull", they used artists drawings on the season pass brochure and used a computer generated video for the initial tv commercials. Dave Rounds From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 15:51:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 23:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 43935 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 23:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 23:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 23:51:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010329235142.24919.qmail@web4904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:51:42 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:51:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags new coaster pix To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200103292337.RAA13480@emerald.jvlnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- "David R. Rounds" wrote: > > Or, in the case of the Six Flags parks, they just > show > > SFMM's Viper for everything (unmodified pictures > and all...). > > > I disagree with you. The season pass brochure for > SFGAm shows pictures > of parts of their two new coasters. I am almost > positive that the > picture they used for "Vertical Velocity" was taken > of the "Superman- > Ultimate Escape" at SFO. The picture of "DeJa Vu" > could have been > taken of almost any B&M inverted at any of the SF > parks. Two years > ago, when they opened "Raging Bull", they used > artists drawings on the > season pass brochure and used a computer generated > video for the > initial tv commercials. Yes Dave, it's true that sometimes SFI uses the actual coasters. In the commercials this year for Batwing, they are using part of the animation found on the website. BUT (and this comes from an SF brat), it the self same commercial, they STILL show Viper with a Superman logo for S:ROS. They show a picture of a Top Spin (the closest SFA has is a roto-shake). And a couple of other shots that I'm not sure are from the park. They *may* (and I stress may) be improving on using the correct rides, but they aint there yet. lata, jeremy --who really doesnt care about the commericals as long as he can ride. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 15:57:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 23:57:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 80627 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 23:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 23:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.30) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 00:58:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010329235713.22929.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4905.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:57:13 PST Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:57:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6d.1179484a.27f41a5d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- MxPx2@aol.com wrote: > < admit > that they had made as many good coasters as bad>> > > We DID?? > I like > 1.) Drachen Fire > 2.) Steel Phantom > Both of which are no longer standing > and 3.) Gemini > > now, there are some I can TOLERATE, but i don't love > them. Now Josh, I just dont comprehend this at all. How can your two favorite Arrow coasters be the two most generally accepted painful coasters, yet not like the other Arrows? I got the impression that you didnt like Shockwave, GASM-II, Viper, etc. because they were "too rough". There must be another reason why you didnt like them. Otherwise, there seems to be no logic to your choices. jeremy --who understands that logic isnt a *necessary* item for a preference, but thinks it helps... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From IOASpiderman@aol.com Thu Mar 29 18:36:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 02:36:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 91968 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 02:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 02:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 02:36:36 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.ff.407b424 (4464) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:36:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:36:25 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags new coaster pix To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com << I disagree with you. The season pass brochure for SFGAm shows pictures of parts of their two new coasters. I am almost positive that the picture they used for "Vertical Velocity" was taken of the "Superman- Ultimate Escape" at SFO. The picture of "DeJa Vu" could have been taken of almost any B&M inverted at any of the SF parks. Two years ago, when they opened "Raging Bull", they used artists drawings on the season pass brochure and used a computer generated video for the initial tv commercials. >> Hey, speaking of Raging Bull, when I went down to SFGAd the other day to grab my passes, I picked up one of the brochures for the park this year. On the front of it, they had Nitro, but you couldn't really see anything coaster-wise as I remember. But on the inside, they had a picture of Raging Bull. (Since I havent been to SFGAm and ridden Raging Bull, I am not really sure what part of the ride it is... but I think it is the turn, not the first one, but the one behind the station or something). But what really got me was the track still had the red and orange RB colors... not the yellow, pink, and blue (fine choice of colors, by the way... lol) that are on Nitro. And while we are talking about SF marketing, one of my friend (who is on this list somewhere...) has a website with some good rants on SF. Here is the link to the first one... http://ua.coaster-network.com/rants/rant1.html and the second one, which shows the extent that SF will go to not take a another picture... http://ua.coaster-network.com/rants/rant2.html And since I am still talking about SF, I just want to say something about SFGAd. A lot of people are going to be pissed off on June 2nd. On that date (Which is a saturday), SF is renting out the park to a company or something, so no members of the public are allowed. They are doing a halfway decent job of letting people know, like kinda outlining that date on their brochures this year, but not everybody is going to get them and look at it. I can just picture a bunch of people going, "hey... today is a nice day. Lets drive 2 hours to spend a nice day at SFGAd... It should be open... on a Saturday in June, right?" Then when they get there... ouch. I don't hate SFGAd, especially since its my homepark, but that is really messed up. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com www.geocities.com/mfsoftware2000 From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Mar 29 19:37:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 03:37:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 81226 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 03:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 03:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 04:38:06 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.42.12cc634d (15889) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:37:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:37:00 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <42.12cc634d.27f5595c@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com << Now Josh, I just dont comprehend this at all. How can your two favorite Arrow coasters be the two most generally accepted painful coasters, yet not like the other Arrows? I got the impression that you didnt like Shockwave, GASM-II, Viper, etc. because they were "too rough". There must be another reason why you didnt like them. Otherwise, there seems to be no logic to your choices. jeremy --who understands that logic isnt a *necessary* item for a preference, but thinks it helps... >> It's called Boredom. the roughness DOES get old....very old...but if the design is good, then so be it...i'll ride a few times. Magnum, to me, is PAIN...those /\/\/\/\/\ return hills hurt my thighs, and the constant slamming up and down just gets annoying. Yes, it did get annoying on DF, and gave me a headache, but i just liked it. LoL...talking Logic to a computer major...and yet it plays no role in my descisions. -Josh (Who doesn't like Ron Toomer) From Mrkwilson@aol.com Thu Mar 29 20:06:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 04:06:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 33180 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 04:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 04:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 05:07:22 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.de.1254fa4c (4213) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:05:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:05:58 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sorry, not impressed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may sound bad coming from the guy who made the same stupid post times, but what we need to keep in mind here is that a lot of this is opinion and we can't attack others intelligence because they like or dislike a certain ride. Let's try to keep all this in perspective when making a hostile post. Mark Wilson (who made the same stupid post 8 times) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From PatCookY2K@juno.com Thu Mar 29 20:18:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: patcooky2k@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 04:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 34480 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 04:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 04:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m27.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.90) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 04:18:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ZNburrZH6QUt59vfJlG0iXO4LvH9au1DGPwsXaKPiBNv57yLVIZ55g=="> Received: (from patcooky2k@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FZRJ8XF8; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:17:43 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:16:36 -0800 Subject: SFGADV Question Message-ID: <20010329.231636.-3741603.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: PatCookY2K@juno.com I haven't heard anything about the new coaster, Nitro, in Jersey. I was just on the website today and learned of the ride. It looks awesome. Anyone plan to ride it opening weekend? Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Mar 29 20:30:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 04:30:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 86308 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 04:30:17 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA135417640 Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:25:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AC40CB5.17517146@gte.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 20:33:57 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Six Flags new coaster pix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash IOASpiderman@aol.com wrote: > > and the second one, which shows the extent that SF will go to not take a > another picture... > > http://ua.coaster-network.com/rants/rant2.html I'm not sure when he posted that rant, but as of right now it is definately not accurate. He says that if you check on sixflags site picture of S:UE that there is an edited picture of S:TE. Not true, at least right now, as it is definately a picture of S:UE. Perhaps his comes from before they had built it, and if they didn't have any artwork of the coaster at that point, then that would make sense. > > And since I am still talking about SF, I just want to say something about > SFGAd. A lot of people are going to be pissed off on June 2nd. On that date > (Which is a saturday), SF is renting out the park to a company or something, > so no members of the public are allowed. They are doing a halfway decent job > of letting people know, like kinda outlining that date on their brochures > this year, but not everybody is going to get them and look at it. I can just > picture a bunch of people going, "hey... today is a nice day. Lets drive 2 > hours to spend a nice day at SFGAd... It should be open... on a Saturday in > June, right?" Then when they get there... ouch. I don't hate SFGAd, > especially since its my homepark, but that is really messed up. > I have to admit that I am surprised that the park would close for a private party on a Saturday in June. That company must be paying huge bucks to get them to do that, in order to compensate for the lost business and the bad PR. It would seem to me like they should have either moved it to May or had it during the week so it wouldn't be such a hassle. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Mar 30 09:56:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 17:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 46186 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 17:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 17:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.129) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 17:56:34 -0000 Received: (cpmta 368 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 09:56:31 -0800 Date: 30 Mar 2001 09:56:31 -0800 Message-ID: <20010330175631.365.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Mar 2001 17:56:31 GMT Received: from [204.252.19.3] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 30 Mar 2001 09:56:30 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire From: jay@karenandjay.com > Interestingly, B&M trains also have a slight gap between the upstops and the > track. It's the SIDE wheels that have the springs (well, pads) to keep them > in constant contact with the track. (On several B&Ms, you can see the upstops > spinning freely when the train hits the inal brakes...).< Hmmmm...I've never noticed this. When I've watched B&M trains move across a straight section of track (such as approaching the brake run), I've seen all wheels turning at equal speed, which to me implies that all wheels are in contact with the track. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Mar 30 10:25:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 18:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18203 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 18:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 18:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 18:25:39 -0000 Received: (cpmta 25760 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 10:25:38 -0800 Date: 30 Mar 2001 10:25:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20010330182538.25759.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Mar 2001 18:25:38 GMT Received: from [204.252.19.3] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 30 Mar 2001 10:25:38 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: MISC: 6FNE report From: jay@karenandjay.com There's not a lot happening out here. The entire first drop of the Cyclone through the double-dip has been retracked, and the insane profile has remained intact. Ironically, the first drop never really had a roughness problem (except for the very bottom), but I'm sure the track has taken a beating over the years. It doesn't look like anything else was done to that coaster. Those curious blue flags are still in place.... The Pirate Ship is being moved and in its place will be a small kiddie ride section. There's a rumor that the Paul Bunyon section may be revamped. And there will be some general landscaping improvements. I hope they add another ramp or staircase out of the DC area. At any rate, they still have a couple of great coasters and I'm hoping with no new major rides and a higher gate price that the crowds will thin out a bit. I'll be getting a season pass (which is finally good at Great Escape as well). The price is $54.95 for the next month, after which the price will jump to $59.95, plus $25 for a parking pass. It's a far cry from the original $35 price a couple years ago, but given how often we go it will still pay off. I'm more eager to get my Lake Compounce pass, though! Jay From tbolt@javanet.com Fri Mar 30 12:00:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt@javanet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 20:00:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 3138 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 20:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 20:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.javanet.com) (205.219.162.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 20:00:38 -0000 Received: from kraken (209-94-153-49.s49.tnt2.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.153.49]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA08681 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:00:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005501c0b953$6f3f08c0$f765fea9@mvnet.wnec.edu> To: References: <20010330182538.25759.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE report Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:55:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Kevin D. Dorey" <<>> hmmm, there really isn't all that much room in the Sea Dragon/Queue area, with the Antiques on one side, and the old Icee stand (or whatever it is now) on the other. But I suppose you could possibly cramp 2 or 3 rides in there somehow. Speaking of relocating Sea Dragon... this must make it the most relocated permanent installation of a Pirate Ship ever. This will be what, it's 4th location within the park? <<>> Actually, a revamp of Paul Bunyan's would be wonderful, and is more than warranted. It wasn't 2 seasons old and had already gone to hell. For a neat interactive tree house, the water didn't work, the conveyors didn't move, a slide or two was boarded up, and it wasn't much other than something neat to look at from the midway. I'd be really glad to see a Bunyan rennovation. <<>> Well, this would certainly be a good year (again) for the park to work on the major shortcomings such as grounds, operations, security and food services once and for all. And I guess considering there are no new major attractions being invested in, perhpas it'd be an ideal opportunity for the park to FINALLY invest in that computer system for Thunderbolt to reenable a two-train operation (which should have been done in 1997 or 1998 by PKS). Speaking of 'thinning out the crowds', I wonder if a combination of a hefty gate price, no new attractions, and horrible operations over the past few years are finally going to give people the attitude of "Screw it, why bother?" when it comes to going to that park. <<>> I usually grab mine from Darien Lake... not only is it cheaper (and you don't even have to go there if they have your picture on file, this avoiding huge processing lines), but I can also avoid spending $50 at that evil 2.5 Pennants over Agawam. Yey! <<< I'm more eager to get my Lake Compounce pass, though!>>> Compounce, yey! From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Mar 30 15:45:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 30 Mar 2001 23:45:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 83090 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 23:45:20 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA118756331 Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:46:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AC51B6D.92B1442E@gte.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:49:01 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: QUES: Couldn't they have made Hypersonics trains higher capacity? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash I was looking at some pics of opening day and Hypersonic XLC, over at: http://www.midwestcoastercentral.com/galleries/PKD_03-25-01/default.asp I thought that 8 people per train was low capacity, and know that they are only running one train right now, with a couple more due to come online in a few weeks. But after looking at a couple pictures of the trains, i couldn't help but think they could have put a lot more people on each train. Why only 2 people per row/car. Looks like they have enough room to put on 3 or 4 without overcrowding. And it sure seems like there is a lot of wasted space at the front/back of the cars to. I would think that they could have compressed a little bit of that space and added maybe another car or two to help increase the capacity. I realize that some of what I mentioned might not be possible due to ensuring that the trains are light and flexible enough to move the way they are supposed to. But I'm thinking that this is going to be a capacity nightmare the likes of which has not been seen (well, maybe with a couple of exceptions). You would think they would do something to improve that. Keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From asandy@depauw.edu Fri Mar 30 21:49:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 31 Mar 2001 05:49:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 49253 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2001 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2001 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Mar 2001 05:49:35 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1TT6E1L808Y4XN4@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:48:34 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1TT6DTR6Y8WW039@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:48:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:48:31 -0500 Subject: MISC: Back from vacation... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000901c0b9a6$3788dd40$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage Hello all, I just wanted to drop everyone a line and say I just got back from spring break. True, beer & the beach are a great combo, but I did also hit the parks I could find open. I was lucky and got to visit beautiful little Miracle Strip Park (TR to come soon) and did my first Gravity Works Ejector Seat @ Planet Bungee (both in Panama City). While those are both interesting, the big news is that the first section of my "history of the roller coaster" debuted recently at http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com/ . If you enjoy coaster history please check out my section, I would be very much obliged. I hope everyone has a great spring, I know mine started perfectly. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From asandy@depauw.edu Sat Mar 31 12:58:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 31 Mar 2001 20:58:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 41242 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2001 20:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Mar 2001 20:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Mar 2001 20:58:53 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1UOXR1VI88Y521M@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:57:52 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1UOXQP1GM8WW23Y@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:57:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:57:36 -0500 Subject: NEWS: FOF OTSR-less To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000c01c0ba25$383dbba0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage I have heard from Sam Marks (head of Coaster Zombies) and others that the Flight of Fear rides @ PKI & PKD are running with lap bars. This definitely is making me re-think my plans for PKI this spring... Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From asandy@depauw.edu Sat Mar 31 14:18:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 31 Mar 2001 22:18:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 53929 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2001 22:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2001 22:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad2.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.212) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Mar 2001 22:18:27 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1URPEJ0GG8Y547F@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:17:26 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1URPE0C2U8Y547R@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:17:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:17:09 -0500 Subject: TR: Spring Break (Miracle Strip & Planet Bungee) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000c01c0ba30$54e404c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage I had a great time on spring break, here are my thoughts on the trip. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** Table of Contents: I. Miracle Strip Trip Report II. Shipwreck Island Notes III. Skyride Note IV. Miracle Strip Double Shot Question V. Goofy Golf Advice VI. Petticoat Junction Question VII. My first Gravity Works Ride I. Place: Miracle Strip Park Panama City, Florida Date: March 24, 2001 Weather: A nice, warm night on the beach Reason I went: To ride the Starliner and visit another great, traditional park For some reason many of the enthusiasts I have talked to have not been to Miracle Strip Park. I perused websites and could find few pictures and nary a trip report. Yet, the few people who had been there called the park a little jewel stuck in the middle of Panama City Beach. While looking at when we would leave for spring break I had to finagle things so that I would be able to stop by while it was operating. The park has limited hours during March, so it was a toss-up as to whether I would get to stop by. Luckily we left early on Friday and drove to Nashville, which meant we arrived in Panama City around 6 p.m. on Saturday and I got to the park around 7 (only a few short blocks from the hotel). The park had a good number of cars in the parking lot, the lights and screams from the rides were abundant, so we had no problem paying the $15 admission fee. We began at what many consider the park's best billboard, the Wave Swinger. It sits on a raised platform near the street and gives riders great views of the area while enticing passers-by to stop in. Our cycle was decent, but things would have gone a touch smoother had there been more than one person operating the ride. There were a tons of pre-teens there running around & I am sure they were more than a handful for a ride-op. In fact, one girl almost hurt herself. We were sitting in the part of the ride where the op had her back to us and one kid decided to get out and jump from one seat to the next. The ride literally lifted off a second after she plunked her butt in the seat. I am glad for the park's and the op's sake that no one was injured, even though it would have entirely been the girl's fault. We checked out the Starliner coaster, whose line appeared pretty long for one train operation, so we ambled down the midway. The park has some nice neon advertising the arcades, giving a retro-fifties feel to the park at night. Under the palm trees we walked by a Paratrooper and I saw the Abominable Snowman. The virtues of this scrambler have been extolled to me several times, so I was very interested in finding out what the ride had going for it. To begin with, the themeing is very well done and the large snowman are better themeing for a flat ride than I have seen at many of the big parks. The ride itself is great! An older Eli Bridge scrambler is slowly set in motion and picks up speed as some lights flash and music plays. The fun really kicks in when the strobes are engaged. It is hard to describe, but this was the most intense scrambler experience I have had and the strobes actually get me guessing where we were going.even though I have been on these things countless times. Kudos to Miracle Strip for such a fun ride and a long ride cycle to boot. Walking straight ahead we passed an Eyerly Loop-O-Plane, saw the log flume (which sadly was not working as the lift belts appeared to be removed) and followed the lights to an A.R.M. Ltd. Skymaster called Shockwave. I have not been on tons of upside down rides, in fact the only two of "boat" rides I had been on that go upside down were the Phoenix at Busch Gardens (Intamin) and the Time Warp at Six Flags New England (Vekoma Air Jumper). The lighting on this one was pretty neat, as the bottom had strong spotlights which traced the ride's path. The group on the ride go off and we boarded. Of course I went for the front but was disappointed as it had a big piece of off-white hard plastic on it that was not conducive to great visuals. The restraint system was a little bizarre as it featured OTSR's that came down but had several inches of give and were stopped by a large lap bar that connected with the side of the car that opened. The ride experience itself was not that great. The engine powering the ride was not as strong as it should have been and I could feel the ride straining to get us over the top when we finally got upside down. One problem was that there were no counterweights opposite the cars, so the ride's looping motion was not constant and varied in speed throughout the loop. It was interesting to do once, but being caged to go upside down in a non-thrilling way is just not that much fun. I am guessing this style of ride hit the circuit in the early-to-mid 80's, because the ride and restraint technology seem badly done. The park would be wise to sell it and pick up either a Zamperla Hawk, Vekoma Air Jumper or even a Huss Ranger if they want another looping ride in addition to the Loop-O-Plane. But, what would be great is a Zamperla Wind Shear or Power Surge, a Huss Frisbee or Top Spin or a Mondial Splash-over or Top Scan. All of these could fit in the footprint (with a little adjustment into the parking lot) and serve as a high capacity ride that attracted even more people to the back half of the park. I am sure that is a lot on their budget, but may be something to consider in the future. (To see a pic of the Skymaster visit Joe Schwartz's PNE page: http://www.joyrides.com/pne_playland/full/skymaster.htm ). We passed the Dungeon, an enclosed Tilt-a-whirl, and got in line for Dante's Inferno. They appear to like the enclosed rides here, which is fine with me as Miracle Strip does them well. I hope the folks who protested the Banshee name never visit here, as you enter this ride by walking on the well-detailed tongue of Beelzebub himself which is surrounded by one of the scariest ride entrances I have seen. After a short wait we got in & I realized it was a Trabant, painted black like the Scrambler. Being inside made a ride which I usually thought was so-so become great. Several times I felt like we would hit the ceiling which alternated between small white lights, colored lights and strobes. We went forward and backward, again getting nice, long ride time. The only complaint here (and it is a small one) is that there was too much smoke used. They need to cut down some, because the smoke does not add anything to a dark ride and only left a bad taste in my mouth). The coaster was still calling me, so we headed to the fun entrance of the Starliner. It has an awesome entrance (Jim Westland's site, The American Midway, has a great pic: http://www.americanmidway.com/pictures/MiracleStrip/starliner2.jpg ). The line started just beyond said entryway and unfortunately they were only running one train. On our way up I noticed a nice little PTC plaque on the side that talked about PTC building/designing the coaster, but no credit was given to John Allen at all. In his book Rollercoaster David Bennett said that PTC had a company-centric mentality and I guess this helps reinforce that belief. The coaster was built in 1963 and opened with the park for its first season, but did not look half that old. The only thing I did not like about the coaster was the fact that there were queue gates.but you still could not choose your own seat as they let a trainful of people in at a time. Aarrrgghh! The station is curved (ala Canobie Lake) and looks nice without appearing dated. The cars are three PTC three-bench with seat dividers, no headrests, seat belts and single locking lap bars. The cars are stopped and started by handbrakes and the electric release and locking mechanism for the lapbar is found on two of the brake handles. I managed a backseat ride with a stranger for my first trip. [NOTE: This paragraph talks about a surprise or two along the coaster's course.so if you want to be surprised when you visit skip it.] The handle was lowered and we eased out of the station picking up a nice bit of speed into the lift hill (which could explain the trim brake right in front of the lift). We headed up the 70-foot lift hill, slowly pulling away from the park. Around us a clear night air hung around, the beach crashed behind us and stars hung lazily in the sky. My view was quickly averted to the 65-foot drop as we cruised down the first hill. After that it was a smaller second hill (kind of a scaled-down version of the Screamin' Eagle's hill number 2) and a nice third hill which dropped us into the retro tunnel that looked like a Dragon's Mouth. I got a surprise here as there is a bunny hop inside the tunnel which caught me off guard and gave great airtime. A nice little turn-around changed our direction and it is here that you can definitely tell Allen cut his teeth under Herb Schmeck. The transitions here are banked at very unique angles (reminiscent of Schmeck's Coaster [Thunderhawk] at Dorney). On the way back to the station riders are treated to several good bunny hops (about four) before the bell rings and the light goes in the station, telling the operator to slow you down on the brake run. The ride gets good care and is in great shape for a seaside coaster. This coaster was part of the growth Allen experienced as a designer in the 60's and is representative of his work in the period as he transitioned from junior coasters to full-sized rides (1960- Skyliner, Lakemont Park, 1963- Starliner, Miracle Strip, 1964- Blue Streak, Cedar Point, 1966- Swamp Fox, Family Kingdom Amusement Park, 1967- Cannonball, Lake Winnepesaukah) and before he helped re-ignite the coaster arms race of the seventies. After an enjoyable trip on the Skyliner we rode the park's Music Express (another long cycle at good speeds) and the Paratrooper. This version is a good example of the ride as the hydraulics are well-kept so the 'trooper has some great side to side and up and down motion to the cars. This ride tied with Knoebels for my favorite Paratrooper. My friends went on the Snowman again while I got some pics of the rides and then we headed over to the Eyerly Loop-O-Plane. This was my first experience with one of these rides (I did a Roll-O-Plane last summer) and if I learned anything from that experience, it was that Eyerly's rides pack a very nice punch for their size. My trip was fun and full of some great g's as we flew around the bottom. I would take this over the Skymaster in terms of thrills and comfort any day. My only complaint with the park in general was one I had with Knoebels- permanence. I have no problem with a park buying a portable ride. But, if they choose to do that I think they should be willing to put a little money in and add permanent queues and landscaping around a ride to help the park look better. The feelings of security and comfort can never be underestimated as important feelings for customers to have in a park & I think that when a park works to make a ride a "part of the park" it only helps itself. We headed back towards the other end of the park, passing the carousel and Big Eli wheel, getting a ride on the Sea Dragon (Chance?) and one more on the Zierer Wave Swinger. This one was spectacular, easily a five minute ride cycle...my longest swing ride ever. Few things are more enjoyable than a swing ride at good speed while sitting back, breathing in that salty sea air and watching the world pass by. My last ride of the night was on the Starliner. I go to ride in my favorite airtime seat.last bench in the first car. Boy did this thing deliver. I got much more air than in the back seat. The tunnel was heaven, the turn around had some nice g's and the bunny hops were how John Allen intended them. What a great way to end a great day at the park. On our way out we got some pizza (very cheap price for the quality) and Cokes. As we walked back up the strip where underage people tried to master the art of drinking and t-shirt shops hawked ****, I wondered how a nice little place like Miracle Strip has managed to stay such a fixed point in a changing place. I think it has something to do with the low prices, friendly employees and LONG ride cycles.but that could just be the sentimentalist in me talking. II. If you are in the area during late Spring/Summer, visit Shipwreck Island Water Park. It is across the street, very well-kept and owned by the folks at Miracle Strip. III. The rusted out station (which would have been the eastern one) of a skyride that used to run east/west sits next to Shipwreck Island. From pictures I have seen, it looked similar to the versions at Disneyland and Cedar Point. IV. I have heard Miracle Strip sold their Matterhorn ride as part of a payment for a S&S Double Shot. Has anyone heard anything on this? V. If you are in the area be sure to visit Goofy Golf, only a block west of Miracle Strip. It was built in 1959 and is one of the oldest courses out there. It is very cool with a dinosaur, sphinx and an replica of a statue from Easter Island. The Easter Island statue is easily 25-feet tall and you can go up in it for a nice view of the area. The other course has a great grotto with black lighting straight out of dark rides. If you like classic dark rides, you will appreciate this place. VI. Does anyone know where the old Petticoat Junction Amusement Park was located in Panama City? VII. I conquered a fear and went on my first Gravity Works Ejection Seat (http://www.gravityworks.com/idx_eject.html) at Planet Bungee on the Strip. Apparently Gravity Works has just created a new twist on this style of ride that premiered at the Planet Bungee locations a few weeks ago (I am not sure about other locations). Before, riders were shot straight up. Now, on the first ride riders get shot up and then the cage is lowered put back on the track. Instead of sliding forward a foot and then going up, this time you slide backwards on a track for about 15 feet and then go up. What happens? On this trajectory you reach the apex of the 125-foot towers facing the ground.you keep turning and by the time you are about fifty feet above the ground are heading straight for it. When we went people actually backed away because we came so close to the crowd. I enjoyed my first trip on a Gravity Works ride and it was a great rush. I was shaking before I got on (yup, the fact I was going to be over 100 feet in the air in a few seconds did not sit well with me) but I really enjoyed myself. The launch was great, but not as intense as a Double Shot and both ejections were great fun. The Planet Bungee on the beach used to have a Skyscraper (one of the first permanent models), but it is now in the weeds and the ride ops said that something new will be coming soon. I also visited the other Planet Bungee near Middle Beach Road which has an Ejection Seat identical to the one on the beach, a Skyscraper called Wild Thang and a bungee jumping arch similar to a skycoaster. From jzerkel@effingham.net Sat Mar 31 14:54:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 31 Mar 2001 22:54:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 16021 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2001 22:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2001 22:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Mar 2001 23:55:05 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp77.effingham.net [12.34.177.77]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:03:57 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c0ba35$f23d23a0$4db1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <000c01c0ba30$54e404c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Spring Break (Miracle Strip & Planet Bungee) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:57:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Slimmage" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Spring Break (Miracle Strip & Planet Bungee) My friends went on the Snowman again while I got some pics of the rides and then we headed over to the Eyerly Loop-O-Plane. This was my first experience with one of these rides (I did a Roll-O-Plane last summer) I know that this topic has been discussed previously on this list;....but would anyone be willing to refresh my memory as to what is the difference between a Loop-O-Plane and a Roll-O-Plane? Does anyone have a link to some pictures that might help to better visualize the differences? Thanks, --Jon From asandy@depauw.edu Sat Mar 31 15:19:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 31 Mar 2001 23:19:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 57156 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1UTTXBZXC8Y547F@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:18:20 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1UTTX1J6W8Y5420@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:18:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:18:04 -0500 Subject: RE: TR: Spring Break (Miracle Strip & Planet Bungee) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000501c0ba38$d6b38cc0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000c01c0ba30$54e404c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> <001101c0ba35$f23d23a0$4db1220c@lorenzer> From: The Slimmage > I know that this topic has been discussed previously on this list;....but > would anyone be willing to refresh my memory as to what is the difference > between a Loop-O-Plane and a Roll-O-Plane? > > Does anyone have a link to some pictures that might help to better visualize > the differences? A loop-o-plane is at: http://www.defunctparks.com/parks/PA/rockyglen/rkygln49.jpg And a roll-o-plane is at: http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/9002/knoephot.htm (9th photo down) The loop version simply goes upside down (like a looping pirate ship ride on a smaller scale), while the roll never goes upside down (the capsule always stays right side up) but the boom moves from vertical to horizontal. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 http://members.nbci.com/LONNOL/amusementparkhistory.htm *************** From tbolt@javanet.com Sat Mar 31 17:12:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt@javanet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 01:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 59411 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 01:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 01:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.javanet.com) (205.219.162.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 01:12:56 -0000 Received: from kraken (209-94-153-65.s65.tnt2.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.153.65]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA05305 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c0ba48$55ad3440$f765fea9@mvnet.wnec.edu> To: References: <000c01c0ba25$383dbba0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: FOF OTSR-less Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Kevin D. Dorey" > I have heard from Sam Marks (head of Coaster Zombies) and others that the > Flight of Fear rides @ PKI & PKD are running with lap bars. Yey! Although I had no problem with Outler Limits to begin with, this certainly will make the ride an entirely different experience. Now if only Kings Dominion would make a a habbit of regularly applying graphite (or, heaven forbid, even grease!) to the rails of their woodies... Kevin From cameronbw@aol.com Sat Mar 31 19:49:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 03:49:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 34113 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 03:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 03:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.92.1286e8d8 (7360) for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:48:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.1286e8d8.27f7ff25@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:48:53 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE report To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated 3/30/01 2:01:37 PM Canada Central Standard Time, tbolt@javanet.com writes: << but I can also avoid spending $50 at that evil 2.5 Pennants over Agawam. >> Could you explain what you mean by this. Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks talk with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From lance@screamscape.com Sat Mar 31 20:15:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 04:15:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 38782 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 04:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 04:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx-out.daemonmail.net) (209.75.5.3) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 04:15:47 -0000 Received: from mx0.emailqueue.net (localhost.daemonmail.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx-out.daemonmail.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA49429 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: from vaio (vaio [24.165.236.13]) by mail.screamscape.com with SMTP id vqC0RvI2 Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:15:46 -0700 (PST) Message-ID: <005201c0ba62$4e3dacc0$0deca518@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <000c01c0ba25$383dbba0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: FOF OTSR-less Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:14:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lance Hart" >> I have heard from Sam Marks (head of Coaster Zombies) and others that the Flight of Fear rides @ PKI & PKD are running with lap bars. This definitely is making me re-think my plans for PKI this spring... Can anyone else confirm this? Lap Bars instead of OTS or in addition to OTS? Please god... let this be true. Finally a park is willing to remove their OTS restraints in favor of lap bars! From IOASpiderman@aol.com Sat Mar 31 20:28:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 04:28:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 96494 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 04:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 04:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 04:28:41 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.48.13aefa1e (7879) for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:28:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48.13aefa1e.27f80877@aol.com> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:28:39 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: FOF OTSR-less To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com << Can anyone else confirm this? Lap Bars instead of OTS or in addition to OTS? Please god... let this be true. Finally a park is willing to remove their OTS restraints in favor of lap bars! >> If this is true, maybe SFMM will try to compete with that a little by removing the OTS on Revolution. That would be awesome... the last time I went on it, the things almost broke my head. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com www.geocities.com/mfsoftware2000 From asandy@depauw.edu Sat Mar 31 22:35:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 06:35:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 89407 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 06:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 06:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 06:35:57 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1V9380UVK8WW40I@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:34:57 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1V937Q48C8Y56SW@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:34:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:34:48 -0500 Subject: MISC: Amusement Park History Has Moved To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <001501c0ba75$d9ace2e0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage Amusement Park History has moved to a much better server. Our new address is: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ To celebrate the move and the coming of spring we have added a Trip Report and Photos from the GOCC event last fall at Holiday World. Hopefully this will get you ready for SRM! Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From MxPx2@aol.com Sat Mar 31 22:42:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 06:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 51854 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 06:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 06:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 06:42:16 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.41.9977ba1 (15890) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:42:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 01:42:11 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: FOF OTSR-less To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <41.9977ba1.27f827c3@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com Yes, i have seen pics, but i can't remember the site.. i shall post it when i find it. later, Josh From tbolt@javanet.com Sun Apr 01 00:30:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt@javanet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 08:30:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 77931 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.javanet.com) (205.219.162.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from kraken (209-94-151-23.s23.tnt1.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.151.23]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id EAA21900 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 04:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c0ba85$716d9e80$f765fea9@mvnet.wnec.edu> To: References: <92.1286e8d8.27f7ff25@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE report Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 04:26:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Kevin D. Dorey" <<<<< but I can also avoid spending $50 at that evil 2.5 Pennants over Agawam. >>>>> <<>> Um, I suppose I can make it longer... "By going to Darien Lake I can buy a PKS Season Pass and not give one red cent to that half-a**, poorly run, dirty, disgusting makeshift Six Flags park known as 'Six Flags New England' -- or as I more appropriately call it, "Two-and-a-half Pennants over Agawam." Any better? :) Kevin From asandy@depauw.edu Sun Apr 01 08:14:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 15:14:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 62710 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 15:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 15:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 15:14:28 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1VR730Q1S8Y58S4@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:13:27 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1VR72OAFQ8WW4MZ@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:13:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:13:14 -0400 Subject: Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000f01c0bab5$e45693e0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <54.11ed86f8.27f2516b@aol.com> From: The Slimmage >Also, have any of you ever noticed how similar this ride is to Hulk?? i'm STILL thinking the ride was meant to be a >launch....it might have been the first of it's kind... >Josh I don't think it was, because in 1999 when Hulk debuted, B&M still saw launch technology as far from perfect. As I understand it, part of the launch idea was the park's, so they were the ones who worked to hire the firm to build the motors of the mechanisms that grab the coaster cars. I know it is dangerous (And pointless) to play in the world of "ifs," but I think that had B&M constructed Drachen and they had built the first drop of Hulk as planned, they would have been similar except for the fact that DF's would have been curved. Just my two cents going WAY out on a limb, Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From asandy@depauw.edu Sun Apr 01 08:21:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 15:21:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 33226 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 15:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 15:21:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 15:21:09 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1VRFPKCXS8Y58S4@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:20:24 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1VRFPFNOW8WW4O9@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:20:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:20:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Another Intro To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <002901c0bab6$dd37a6c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <96.11724f72.27e3feb9@aol.com> From: The Slimmage I was cleaning out the inbox and found this, which I never responded to: > For those of you who have been on both: > Which is better: > Superman: Ride of Steel > or > Millennium Force I thought S:ROS absolutely blew MF away. Superman is my number one because it has: 4 hills that feel more like (as many have said) gigantic bunny hops that toss you out of the seat 2 great helixes Several more bunny hops where you are only held in by the lap bar 2 great tunnels Airtime and intensity are the goals of Superman, while MF is about (IMHO) statistics, namely height and speed. I was petrified the first time I went on MF, after that it was just fun. Superman is a very intense coaster that offers everything I want wrapped up in a great package. MF is a great ride, but to me S:ROS is the nearest man has gotten to a perfect coaster. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From asandy@depauw.edu Sun Apr 01 15:03:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 22:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 37662 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 22:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 22:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 22:03:54 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1W5HPPHFK8Y59HM@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:02:53 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1W5HPDBJA8WW3LC@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:02:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:02:46 -0400 Subject: NEWS: Pics of OTSR-less FOF To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000901c0baf7$7c7c8e40$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage Sam Marks has added pics of the new FOF trains (from PKD) to his website. They are at: http://members.aol.com/steelforce/FOF.html I really hope they have this done at PKI, because now I have the urge to hit up SOB & FOF to see how they are doing this year on opening day. We should hear something definite about FOF after media day (Wed), as the park invited 100 ACE members to head down, so there is a good chance they might mention it. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sun Apr 01 16:00:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 23:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 81480 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4903.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.28) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 00:01:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010401230008.20327.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.60.102] by web4903.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 16:00:08 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Pics of OTSR-less FOF To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000901c0baf7$7c7c8e40$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- The Slimmage wrote: > Sam Marks has added pics of the new FOF trains (from > PKD) to his website. > They are at: > http://members.aol.com/steelforce/FOF.html > > I really hope they have this done at PKI, because > now I have the urge to hit > up SOB & FOF to see how they are doing this year on > opening day. Adam (et al), you will not be disappointed. I just got back from a quick jaunt to PKD. I went with the express purpose of riding FOF. H:XLC was down today, actually all weekend, for what I heard is a major attempt to get multiple train operation down pat before their spring break events (fortuneatly, I knew about this before heading down so no disappointment was encountered). Anyway, as for FOF, they have *slightly* changed the movie. Most of the stuff is the same, only the part where they did the whole "we are in control of your television" bit was changed. Instead, the aliens invite us humans to ride with them on their ship to a 'utopian' type planet. This is done via a voiceover and some CGI animation. The new restraints are practically Identical to the bars on Sonny. Addtionally, they are held in by a seat belt along the edge of the car. I rode in botht h first car (2nd seat) and the backseat. It was really nice to be able to enjoy the little twists and turn without needing to ride in "crash positions". If Premier does this for all their rides (Freeze, Jokers Jinx, Chiller) they will be making a nice mark for themselves. At PKD, they are currently only running one train. And the mid-course brake is still on real hard (giving the falling sensation in the final corkscrew). Also, they are not making a big deal out of the change. That is to say, there are no advertisements. Many members of the GP, who had ridden OL:FOF are suprised to see the OTSRs missing. But pleasantly suprised! Anyway, if you hated Outer Limits: Flight of Pain (I mean Fear), try the *new* FOF. I think your opinion will change drastically. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Apr 02 08:38:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 15:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 38591 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 15:38:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010402153823.61743.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.12.236] by web10905.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:38:23 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: what's up y'all? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <986206826.600.82439.l10@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral what's up with the list slowing down so much lately? I would think that with coaster season starting, it would be pretty busy. quack quack -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Apr 02 08:45:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 15:45:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 16213 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 15:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 15:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 16:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20010402154517.63614.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.12.236] by web10905.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:45:17 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SROS vs MF To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <986206826.600.82439.l10@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral Like Adam said, SROS is an incredible ride. However, after thinking long and hard, I would have to say that I like MF better. Infact MF is my #1 and SROS is my #2. However, I agree with Adam that SROS offers so much more. It's just that I only got to ride it 4 times (one day) while I have ridden MF over 30 times over the last summer. I enjoy the first drop (of course... it's the best ever IMO) and I also enjoy the speed that never seems to let up. Who knows, I plan on getting back to TPFPoA (SFNE heh heh) again this summer and also hope to check out the SROS at SFA. maybe my opinions will change, but I doubt it. quack quack -Brian F. (who still hates cleveland) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Apr 02 09:53:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 16:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 52052 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 16:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 16:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 16:53:06 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.a4.123de419 (15888) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:53:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:53:00 EDT Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Me To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: CPMForce@aol.com For some reason or other, I haven't been able to get online on my home computer, so I haven't been able to use RCT. I'm using other computers, but bear with me as I reply to old posts. I'm still here, though... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Apr 02 10:22:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 17:22:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 73796 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 17:22:11 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id MAA127707653 Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:17:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AC8B61F.4CA2B143@gte.net> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:25:51 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: NEWS & VISIT: Six Flags Magic Mountain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Coasterbuzz has updated with several new things on it. They've finally started putting up the supports for Deja Vu, using 2 cranes to try to get it done quick. So hopefully we'll see it running in a month or so. Lots of the footers for X have been done. And Goliath Jr. is open! but only to those 54" and under (sorry 90% of the list). This is just what I have picked up from Coasterbuzz and AmericaCoasters.net I'm actually planning on visiting tomorrow (Tuesday) to get a look for myself. Can't promised pictures or anything nice like that, but I'll do my best to try to pick up some news while I'm coastering. If any of you can somehow also make it out to SFMM tomorrow, let me know. I'd love to be able to get together with you. Keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Apr 02 12:15:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 19:15:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 37146 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 19:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 19:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 19:14:55 -0000 Received: (cpmta 306 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 12:14:53 -0700 Date: 2 Apr 2001 12:14:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20010402191453.305.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Apr 2001 19:14:53 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Apr 2001 12:14:53 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE report From: jay@karenandjay.com > there really isn't all that much room in the Sea Dragon/Queue area, > with the Antiques on one side, and the old Icee stand (or whatever it is > now) on the other. But I suppose you could possibly cramp 2 or 3 rides in > there somehow.< That's what they're going to do...just a couple rides constitutes their kiddieland. > Speaking of relocating Sea Dragon... this must make it the most relocated > permanent installation of a Pirate Ship ever. This will be what, it's 4th > location within the park?< I know. They ought to just keep it on a trailer.... >a revamp of Paul Bunyan's would be wonderful, and is more than > warranted. It wasn't 2 seasons old and had already gone to hell. For a > neat interactive tree house, the water didn't work, the conveyors didn't > move, a slide or two was boarded up, and it wasn't much other than something > neat to look at from the midway.< Ever notice that some of the slides ended up right in front of trees? I hear that's why the slides were boarded up: some kid came down one at high speed and slammed into a tree trunk. > Speaking of 'thinning out the crowds', I wonder if a combination of a hefty > gate price, no new attractions, and horrible operations over the past few > years are finally going to give people the attitude of "Screw it, why > bother?" when it comes to going to that park.< I hope so. Then I can have SROS all to myself. :-D And maybe that would spur 6F to put in some more coasters next season! Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Apr 02 12:16:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 19:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 37183 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 19:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 19:16:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 19:16:33 -0000 Received: (cpmta 963 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 12:16:32 -0700 Date: 2 Apr 2001 12:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: <20010402191632.962.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Apr 2001 19:16:32 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Apr 2001 12:16:32 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE report From: jay@karenandjay.com > there really isn't all that much room in the Sea Dragon/Queue area, > with the Antiques on one side, and the old Icee stand (or whatever it is > now) on the other. But I suppose you could possibly cramp 2 or 3 rides in > there somehow.< That's what they're going to do...just a couple rides constitutes their kiddieland. > Speaking of relocating Sea Dragon... this must make it the most relocated > permanent installation of a Pirate Ship ever. This will be what, it's 4th > location within the park?< I know. They ought to just keep it on a trailer.... >a revamp of Paul Bunyan's would be wonderful, and is more than > warranted. It wasn't 2 seasons old and had already gone to hell. For a > neat interactive tree house, the water didn't work, the conveyors didn't > move, a slide or two was boarded up, and it wasn't much other than something > neat to look at from the midway.< Ever notice that some of the slides ended up right in front of trees? I hear that's why the slides were boarded up: some kid came down one at high speed and slammed into a tree trunk. > Speaking of 'thinning out the crowds', I wonder if a combination of a hefty > gate price, no new attractions, and horrible operations over the past few > years are finally going to give people the attitude of "Screw it, why > bother?" when it comes to going to that park.< I hope so. Then I can have SROS all to myself. :-D And maybe that would spur 6F to put in some more coasters next season! Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Apr 02 12:35:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 19:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 84670 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 19:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 19:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.118) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 19:34:51 -0000 Received: (cpmta 19429 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 12:34:50 -0700 Date: 2 Apr 2001 12:34:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20010402193450.19428.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Apr 2001 19:34:50 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Apr 2001 12:34:50 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Roll-o-plane From: jay@karenandjay.com > The loop version simply goes upside down (like a looping pirate ship ride on > a smaller scale), while the roll never goes upside down (the capsule always > stays right side up) but the boom moves from vertical to horizontal.< And neither of these should be confused with the "Rock-O-Plane," which is a completely different type of ride. It's like a jet ride, except you sit in old-style prop planes. As the ride spins and the planes rise, you can rotate yourself 360-degrees over and over. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Apr 02 12:36:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 19:36:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 85794 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 19:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 19:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.118) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 19:35:17 -0000 Received: (cpmta 19673 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 12:35:16 -0700 Date: 2 Apr 2001 12:35:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20010402193516.19672.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Apr 2001 19:35:16 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Apr 2001 12:35:16 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Roll-o-plane From: jay@karenandjay.com > The loop version simply goes upside down (like a looping pirate ship ride on > a smaller scale), while the roll never goes upside down (the capsule always > stays right side up) but the boom moves from vertical to horizontal.< And neither of these should be confused with the "Rock-O-Plane," which is a completely different type of ride. It's like a jet ride, except you sit in old-style prop planes. As the ride spins and the planes rise, you can rotate yourself 360-degrees over and over. Jay From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Apr 02 13:05:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 20:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 67678 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 20:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 20:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.155) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 20:05:14 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:05:14 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:05:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:05:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 20:05:14.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AE83AB0:01C0BBB0] From: "Chris Kearsing" >what's up with the list slowing down so much lately? >I would think that with coaster season starting, it >would be pretty busy. How about the opposite... everyone is out riding! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Apr 02 14:18:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 21:18:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 30176 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 21:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 21:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 21:17:23 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.62.d47f909 (25107) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62.d47f909.27fa465c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:17:16 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Cliffhanger Comes to Life To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Let's just wait and see... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Apr 02 14:22:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 21:22:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 73831 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 21:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 21:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 22:23:41 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.b6.137d2900 (25107) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:22:21 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Is the launch really as intense as it's supposed to be? Aren't you at the top before you have time to think? -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Apr 02 14:29:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 21:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 11558 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 21:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 21:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r20.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.162) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 21:29:07 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.78.12c358f1 (25107) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78.12c358f1.27fa4912@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:28:50 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com In a message dated 01-03-23 22:21:10 EST, Chris K writes: << *coughBATMANcough* >> haha... Actually I mentioned in "PS" at the bottom of the post that (as we all know too well) SF parks clone many different companies' rides... including Intamin and B&M. Vekoma clones are generally smaller than those of the others. They are designed for smaller parks to afford. -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From tbolt@javanet.com Mon Apr 02 14:36:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt@javanet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 21:36:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 76558 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 21:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 21:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.javanet.com) (205.219.162.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 21:35:47 -0000 Received: from kraken (209-94-151-143.s143.tnt1.spng.ma.dialup.rcn.com [209.94.151.143]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA06504 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01c0bbbc$52519d20$f765fea9@mvnet.wnec.edu> To: References: <20010402191632.962.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE report Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:31:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Kevin D. Dorey" >>> Ever notice that some of the slides ended up right in front of trees? I hear that's why the slides were boarded up: some kid came down one at high speed and slammed into a tree trunk.<<< Yep, that's one of the reasons I was given, too, when I asked about it. Not very good planning in the development of the attraction, if you ask me. >>> I hope so. Then I can have SROS all to myself. :-D And maybe that would spur 6F to put in some more coasters next season!<<< Or, heaven forbid, fix up operations and hope people will come back yet again... or will it take another name change to trick people into thinking the park has new management and things *must* be better than they will before? Kevin From CPMForce@aol.com Mon Apr 02 14:36:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 21:36:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10053 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 21:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 21:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 22:37:35 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.b0.128ab4b8 (25107) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:36:17 EDT Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 From: CPMForce@aol.com Has anyone here been on Rock n' Roller Coaster? Is it any good? Would you recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster rider? Let's just say that she hasn't gone on anything past a mine-train yet... -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) From crontman@aol.com Mon Apr 02 14:44:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 21:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 29476 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 21:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 21:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r17.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 21:43:23 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.7d.1336b189 (4238) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d.1336b189.27fa4c6b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:43:07 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com << I would think that with coaster season starting, it would be pretty busy>> That's exactly what I thought. I think by the time all the parks are open, there will be a lot more posts. Dave R. From crontman@aol.com Mon Apr 02 14:52:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 21:52:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 19605 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 21:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 21:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 21:51:22 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.22.1429b43a (4238) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <22.1429b43a.27fa4e4b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:51:07 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com << Vekoma clones are generally smaller than those of the others. They are designed for smaller parks to afford. >> Yes, the Vekoma "boomerang" has been cloned more times than any other coaster design. It seems a good choice for a small park because of being able to be packed in a small area. However, even larger parks have this design (i.e. Sidewinder at Hersheypark) Dave R. From stephanie@stealyourface.com Mon Apr 02 15:01:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie@stealyourface.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 22:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 71309 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 22:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 22:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail15a.boca15-verio.com) (208.55.91.57) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 23:02:20 -0000 Received: from www.stealyourface.com (131.103.239.77) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.58s) with SMTP id 010454732 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AC90527.939C06A5@stealyourface.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:03:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Stephanie Beck CPMForce@aol.com wrote: <> Teehee...I am wearing my Rock 'n' Rollercoaster shirt right now. Yes, I would say it is an excellent choice for a new coaster rider for several reasons: 1. There are no big drops. That seems to be what scares new riders the most. 2. It's completely dark, so she won't have time to be scared of going upside-down. 3. It's enclosed, so the anticipation is a little easier than if she had to watch the path of the coaster while waiting in line. Stephanie P.S. I just got back to my hotel from Six Flags Over Georgia a little while ago. Too tired to write a TR right now, but I had a lot of fun! Expect a TR a bit later. From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Apr 02 15:14:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 22:14:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 80127 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 22:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 22:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.30.140) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 22:14:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:14:34 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:14:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Vekoma Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:14:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 22:14:34.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C955B00:01C0BBC2] From: "Chris Kearsing" >haha... >Actually I mentioned in "PS" at the bottom of the post that (as we all know >too well) SF parks clone many different companies' rides... including >Intamin >and B&M. Well, B&M will sell the Batman design to anyone who asks. There are at least three clones of BTR that aren't in the Six Flags Chain. One is at Sea World in San Antonio (smart move), and the other two are in Japan. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From yahoo@binaryfusion.net Mon Apr 02 15:59:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m3000@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 22:59:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 92220 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 22:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 22:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.34) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (242681hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.26.81.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f32Mwx024276 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:58:59 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:00:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040219000202.01835@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Anthony I've been on it multiple times, and it's an incredible rollercoaster. Not only is it fun in itself, but it's also the best themed coaster I've ever seen. I'm not sure about a first time rider. On one hand, there are no big drops like someone else was saying, which could be comforting. On the other hand, if she's afraid of the dark this is definitly not one you want to go on, and also the sudden burst of speed at the beggining could be frightening if you don't know what to expect. All in all, I think it'd be a pretty good one to start off on. But then again I'm not the best person to be giving advice on this, since I was always wanting to get on roller coasters, even when I was a foot too short for some of them :) > Has anyone here been on Rock n' Roller Coaster? Is it any good? Would you > recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster rider? Let's > just say that she hasn't gone on anything past a mine-train yet... > > -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit. From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Mon Apr 02 16:21:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 23:21:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 75261 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 23:21:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.34) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 00:22:47 -0000 Received: from none (242818hfc168.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.18.168]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f32NLg005633 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201c0bbe3$b76fc660$a8121c18@none.tampabay.rr.com> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:13:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "cosTanza" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's exactly what I thought. I think by the time all the parks are open, there will be a lot more posts. Dave R. This is funny. Living in Florida I am so used to having theme parks open year round. I went to Austin TX for the holidays and was planning on going to Six flags in San Antonio, or even in Arlington, but found they were closed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@effingham.net Mon Apr 02 18:14:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 01:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 81892 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 01:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 01:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 01:14:57 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp40.effingham.net [12.34.177.40]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c0bbdb$f7280180$28b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:18:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney > Has anyone here been on Rock n' Roller Coaster? Is it any good? Would you > recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster rider? Let's > just say that she hasn't gone on anything past a mine-train yet... I think you should take this person to Cedar Point and make her ride MF as her first major coaster. Then, take a trip to Six Flags Great America and make her ride the rough, jerky, PAINFUL Shockwave. And, for the finale, take a trip to Six Flags Magic Mountain and ride X as soon as it gets built! He he he he....Isn't sadism just a GREAT thing? (By the way....This girl would probably never speak to you again as long as you live if you followed the above advice!) --Jon From PatCookY2K@juno.com Mon Apr 02 18:47:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: patcooky2k@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 01:47:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 3534 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 01:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 01:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m27.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.90) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 02:48:41 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ZNburrZH6QUt59vfJlG0iWCZ+woJnuqQRt96FepTAobT5W0cgLZeJg=="> Received: (from patcooky2k@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FZ3K78K9; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:47:13 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:46:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney Message-ID: <20010402.214605.-3709139.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,14-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: PatCookY2K@juno.com Would you > recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster rider? Let's > just say that she hasn't gone on anything past a mine-train yet... If she hasn't gone on anything but a mine train yet, I wouldn't recommend it unless she's not afraid of the dark. You can't see anything, so you don't know when you'll be upside down. Again, if she's scared of that, I wouldn't reccommend it. I started a friend out easy by riding Trailblazer at Hersheypark, my home park. He then wanted to try a looping one, so i got him on Superdooperlooper. He loved it. We then advanced remarkably to sidewinder, on his wishes. I told him he may not be ready for that yet, but this did it for him. He's now a true Coaster fanatic, like me. The Sidwinder is now his favorite ride at Hersheypark. Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Apr 02 19:53:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 02:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 92604 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 02:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 02:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 03:53:46 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id VAA117339685 Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:54:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AC93BD7.4F4FDFB8@gte.net> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:56:23 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? References: <001201c0bbe3$b76fc660$a8121c18@none.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash cosTanza wrote: > This is funny. Living in Florida I am so used to having theme parks open year round. I went to Austin TX for the holidays and was planning on going to Six flags in San Antonio, or even in Arlington, but found they were closed. > > Six Flags over Texas in Arlington was closed during the Christmas holidays? Are you sure? They always have at least a couple of weeks to a month around Christmas and New Years that they are open. They are about the only park I know of that is not in California or Florida that opens that time of year. But yes, they are closed the rest of the late fall and winter months. Keep on ridin' George > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! 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Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Apr 02 19:59:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 02:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 91701 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 02:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 02:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 04:00:10 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA126062265 Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:00:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AC93D58.A0C86C3A@gte.net> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:02:48 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash CPMForce@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone here been on Rock n' Roller Coaster? Is it any good? Would you > recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster rider? Let's > just say that she hasn't gone on anything past a mine-train yet... > > I haven't been on RRC, so I can't speak about it personally. But I wouldn't recommend any dark/enclosed looper to a new coaster rider. I would go to a park with a variety of coaster types and look for a basic "up and down" coaster- the simplest one they have. It may be a woody or a steel. But don't start them out with loops. Then gradually build up from there taking it step by step, from one coaster up to the next "scariest" or more intense. And when they say that something looks like to much for them, listen to them, take a break, go on another ride, then try again. Good luck. Eventually she'll learn that none of them are as scary as they look, and the thrill of the ride is more than worth the bit of fear that there is. Keep on ridin' George > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Mon Apr 02 20:01:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 03:01:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 51701 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 03:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 03:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.68) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 04:02:32 -0000 Received: from none (242818hfc168.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.18.168]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3331R009345 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002201c0bc02$6957eba0$a8121c18@none.tampabay.rr.com> To: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:53:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "cosTanza" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Six Flags over Texas in Arlington was closed during the Christmas holidays? Are you sure? They always have at least a couple of weeks to a month around Christmas and New Years that they are open. They are about the only park I know of that is not in California or Florida that opens that time of year. Yes Im sure..Six Flags in Arlington was open around New years for a couple days, but not San Antonio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Apr 02 20:04:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 03:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 58987 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 03:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 03:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 03:04:31 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA120088382 Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AC93E9C.78940B48@gte.net> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:08:12 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? References: <20010402153823.61743.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash brian farral wrote: > what's up with the list slowing down so much lately? > I would think that with coaster season starting, it > would be pretty busy. > > quack quack > -Brian F. > Slowing down? Not really! It was the weekend. People were out doing things, like riding coasters! A quick overview of how many messages to the list lately Thursday-17 Friday- 5 Saturday- 11 Sunday- 5 messages Monday (today)- 23 so far and counting! It just depends on the day and how busy people are. I'm not sure that I would want huge amounts of mail each day. An occaisional break is kinda nice actually. And I wouldn't want posts just for the sake of making posts. So if its a slow day, Don't worry about it. Instead, go outside and find a coaster! 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Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From stephanie@stealyourface.com Mon Apr 02 20:23:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie@stealyourface.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 03:23:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 4231 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 03:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 03:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail15b.boca15-verio.com) (208.55.91.59) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 03:23:47 -0000 Received: from www.stealyourface.com (131.103.239.77) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.58s) with SMTP id 010027445 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AC950BA.A499956B@stealyourface.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:25:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney References: <3AC93D58.A0C86C3A@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Stephanie Beck George Burnash wrote: <> I have to disagree...and I speak from experience. I went to MGM with a friend who was quite scared of coasters. I talked her into going on RRC (which is where I knew I would spend most of the day) by saying, "C'mon...it's Disney...look at all of the little kids who are going on. How bad can it be?" I did tell her about the launch in advance, but she didn't even realize that we had gone upside-down! She thanked me profusely for talking her into riding (even though she still wouldn't ride Tower of Terror with me), and now she wants to go to IOA with me and ride Hulk! So, I DO recommend RRC for a new coaster rider. Stephanie From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Apr 02 22:25:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 05:25:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 2929 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.130) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:00:19 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:00:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] FOF Goes Topless Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:00:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2001 22:00:19.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[24938530:01C0BAF7] From: "Chris Kearsing" http://members.aol.com/steelforce/FOF.html YAY!! I can't begin to express how excited I am to return to PKD. It's not a park I really cared for in the past. Now, however, with three amazing coasters, I can't wait. Volcano has always been a favourite coaster of mine, Hypersonic looks SICK, and I know Flight of Fear will take a top spot on my list now. My three favourite kinds of coasters are- launched coasters, enclosed coasters, and twisted steel rides. Flight of Fear is all three, and we can ride it comfortably. Way to go, Paramount. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 00:44:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 07:44:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 93592 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 07:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 07:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 07:44:04 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id CAA124701957 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:45:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AC98021.E14E2222@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:47:45 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? References: <002201c0bc02$6957eba0$a8121c18@none.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash cosTanza wrote: > Six Flags over Texas in Arlington was closed during the Christmas holidays? Are you sure? They always have at least a couple of weeks to a month around Christmas and New Years that they are open. They are about the only park I > know of that is not in California or Florida that opens that time of year. > > Yes Im sure..Six Flags in Arlington was open around New years for a couple days, but not San Antonio. > San Antonio I'm not surprised at. It follows the same schedule as most of the rest of the country- only open April/May - October. But you said in your previous post that SFoT in Arlington was closed during the holidays, which I did find surprising since it is open. In fact, when we lived near Dallas we made it a point to get to the Christmas celebration at the park. Or did I misread your post? Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Tue Apr 03 05:54:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 12:54:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 73115 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 12:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 12:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.39) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 13:55:38 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f33CsXm03611 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104031254.f33CsXm03611@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] what's up y'all? Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:54:33 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com But you said in your previous post that SFoT in Arlington was closed during the holidays, which I did find surprising since it is open.  In fact, when we lived near Dallas we made it a point to get to the Christmas celebration at the park.  Or did I misread  your post? Keep on ridin' George Probably just a little miscommunication. Point being, Im used to parks here always being open year round, not open a few days around the holidays here and there. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Apr 03 08:20:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 15:20:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 34448 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 15:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 15:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.26) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 15:20:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010403152000.27683.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4901.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:20:00 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris I'm only going to give the "to the point" answers here... --- CPMForce@aol.com wrote: > Is the launch really as intense as it's supposed to > be? YES, perhaps even moreso. > Aren't you at the top before you have time to think? Pretty much, just when you start to think about it, you are EJECTED from the seat. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Apr 03 08:29:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 15:29:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 90698 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 15:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 15:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4903.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 15:28:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010403152815.6485.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:28:15 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3AC93D58.A0C86C3A@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- George Burnash wrote: > I haven't been on RRC, so I can't speak about it > personally. But I wouldn't > recommend any dark/enclosed looper to a new coaster > rider. Why not? My experience with non-riders has been that they close their eyes anyway, so the darkness is not really a factor. I would go to a > park with a variety of coaster types and look for a > basic "up and down" > coaster- the simplest one they have. It may be a > woody or a steel. Again from experience with non-riders, most of them cant stand woodies because they are loud, rattle a lot, and *seem* unsafe. And the original poster mentioned that the girl has already ridden mine trains. But don't > start them out with loops. Well my first coaster was a Schwarkopf single looper. We took another non-rider on Raptor for her first ride (she loved it). I actually think more 'fraidy cats' feel safer with the OTSRs found on loopers than with lap bars. Then gradually build up > from there taking it step > by step, from one coaster up to the next "scariest" > or more intense. And when > they say that something looks like to much for them, > listen to them, take a > break, go on another ride, then try again. I can understand the "break" thing though. Sometimes people just need a moment, but if it gets to be too long, put the pressure on! =] > Good luck. Eventually she'll learn that none of > them are as scary as they > look, and the thrill of the ride is more than worth > the bit of fear that there > is. And there is the *slight* possibility that she wont like them at all (I know, perish the thought). But like anything in life, nothing is for everyone. But try to make her understand that she will never know if she doesnt try. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 09:32:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 16:32:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 68701 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 16:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 16:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 16:32:50 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id LAA141563585 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:28:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AC9FC0F.6C5DDFA0@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:36:31 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney References: <20010403152815.6485.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Jeremy Norris wrote: > > I haven't been on RRC, so I can't speak about it > > personally. But I wouldn't > > recommend any dark/enclosed looper to a new coaster > > rider. > > Why not? My experience with non-riders has been that > they close their eyes anyway, so the darkness is not > really a factor. My experiences with non-riders (as a youth pastor I've had a bunch) have been that even if they close their eyes on the ride, they want to be able to see what they are in for before they get on it. A completely unknown entity, such as an enclosed/dark coaster has been even more terrifying to them because they don't know what to prepare for. And some that I have been with wanted to be "talked thru" the ride- told what was coming next, how big a drop, etc. Very hard to do on a dark ride. From the sounds of it, RNRC is possibly the one exception to that. > Again from experience with non-riders, most of them > cant stand woodies because they are loud, rattle a > lot, and *seem* unsafe. And the original poster > mentioned that the girl has already ridden mine > trains. Seems to depend on the person. When I was a kid, I loved woodies, but hated steels, with the only exception being Willards Whizzer at then Marriotts' Great America. Seems like several like them because they know they won't go upside down on them (SOB excluded of course). Again, depends on the person a bit, and also on the woody. For examply, at SFMM I would try them on Colossus, but not on Psyclone. The first they would enjoy, but if they were on Psyclone as a beginner, they would probably never ride another coaster. > > But don't > > start them out with loops. > Well my first coaster was a Schwarkopf single looper. > We took another non-rider on Raptor for her first ride > (she loved it). I actually think more 'fraidy cats' > feel safer with the OTSRs found on loopers than with > lap bars. I'd have to strongly disagree on this one. On almost every non-rider or new-rider that I've known, as well as myself when I was young, the fear of going upside-down on top of the fear of the coaster almost invariably means no-ride. Almost without exception, all the non-riders I've known were absolutely terrified of inversions and wouldn't go near them until we had built them up for it. Once they realized that the rest of the coaster riding was safe and fun, then they would take the step of a loop. Restraints weren't the deciding factor, the coaster was. Maybe you're just weird Jeremy. ;-) But then so am I! > > And there is the *slight* possibility that she wont > like them at all (I know, perish the thought). But > like anything in life, nothing is for everyone. But > try to make her understand that she will never know if > she doesnt try. > That's true. Not everyone will like coasters. As an example with my own kids (a bit young at 4 and 5, but still applicable). My daughter absolutely loves coasters- has since she was old enough to talk and tell me "ride daddy, ride". At 5 years old, she's been on close to 10 coasters already, and gets upset that she can't go on Goliath because of her height. My son, the 'brave man", on the other hand is the biggest chicken in the world when it comes to rides. He sometimes gets scared on the carousel. Hated the one time I took him on the coaster, hates the drop on the log flume (we force him on that one- one ride everyone goes on). Quick funny story for you- he decided one time that he wanted to go on the tilt-a-whirl with his aunt (my sister) and me. We repeatedly tried to tell him what it did, how fast, etc, but he wanted to go. Ok, get on and put him between sis and me. Ride starts and we hit the first spin pretty good, and he takes a dive for my lap and puts a death grip on dear old dad's dear ones! So hard that we can't get him to let go. Good thing I already had children or I wouldn't afterwards. Between yelling in pain and yelling in laughter I couldn't breathe, and could only watch everyone in line laughing. But the worst was at the end of the ride when the attendant came over, very concerned, and asked, "Are you ok or should I get some help?" keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From regnal@adelphia.net Tue Apr 03 11:16:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 18:16:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 48069 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 18:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 18:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay2.adelphia.net) (64.8.25.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 19:18:00 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.38]) by smtprelay2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GB8ARQ00.PL2 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:16:38 -0400 Message-ID: <007001c0bc69$f10071a0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:14:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Mary Pat Langer" I missed the review of this ride that you were replying to so I can't comment on that....but I will give you my humble opinion of Hypersonic...the launch is definitely intense and the acceleration up the hill is awesome...the descent is breathtaking (especially in the front seat); however, that said - the ride should be longer and should include at least 1000 feet of out and back camel backs to derive more airtime from that tremendous burst of speed. Overall a pretty exciting coaster because of the launch but not enough use of the speed to and way too short of a ride to make it a GREAT COASTER. I will ride it again though, most definitely. Opening day of PKD was my first trip there and I just loved the woodies. (My 5 year old could ride them all and that made it a great family day) and also because everyone was waiting for XLC we could walk on the woodies and stay in the seat for repeat rides....what a wonderful thing. I was awestruck by the backward ride on Rebel Yell - my first backwards coaster. I was sure my pretty large body was going to get hurled out of that train it was great. Grizzly and Hurler were wonderful surprises as well and Volcano was a pretty nice impulse coaster and a very smooth, air-timed filled ride. Flight of Fear was closed for the day; however they tell me it is just like Jokers Jinx at SFA and I didn't particularly enjoy that because aside from the launch I thought it was slow and boring. Of course...I am of the mind that there is no such thing as a bad coaster...some are just better than others. Even Shockwave was a decent standup albeit short. The park was definitely worth the trip and is great for families because of the minimal 44" height requirement on the big coasters. Mary Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: Hypersonic > Is the launch really as intense as it's supposed to be? > Aren't you at the top before you have time to think? > > -Mark Devries (who loves roller coasters) > > From serpmage@juno.com Tue Apr 03 13:29:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 20:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 77820 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 20:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 20:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 20:29:47 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAIb0fGbmh9UY/fNpAvenLRHJF2Fs4F+Xlw=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FZ5LEK5B; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:29:10 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:20:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney Message-ID: <20010403.162900.309.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,11-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." > > Has anyone here been on Rock n' Roller Coaster? Is it any good? > Would you > > recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster rider? > Let's > > just say that she hasn't gone on anything past a mine-train yet... BGT is a good park to wean people onto coasters. If you want to go the non-inverting first route, you have Gwazi to work with. Then Python and Scorpion, be sure to stay towards the back of Python if you ride it though. Then it's your choice to hit Kumba or Montu in what ever order you want. Personally, I would start with Python, then Scorpion, then Gwazi Tiger, then Lion, then Kumba, finishing with Montu. Tim the Poor Engineering Student --------------------- I meant what I said, And I said what I meant, An elephant's faithful, One hundred percent. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From serpmage@juno.com Tue Apr 03 13:30:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 20:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 14244 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 20:30:00 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAIb0fGbmh9UYDxFDv4kSkxAh9rpSxD0Txg=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FZ5LEK79; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:29:10 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:28:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire Message-ID: <20010403.162900.309.1.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,19-26 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." > > Interestingly, B&M trains also have a slight gap between the > upstops and the > > track. It's the SIDE wheels that have the springs (well, pads) to > keep them > > in constant contact with the track. (On several B&Ms, you can see > the upstops > > spinning freely when the train hits the inal brakes...).< > > Hmmmm...I've never noticed this. When I've watched B&M trains move > across a straight section of track (such as approaching the brake > run), I've seen all wheels turning at equal speed, which to me > implies that all wheels are in contact with the track. Yeah, I promise you that B&M trains are designed to have all wheels in contact with the track at all times. The train you saw was likely twards then end of it's maintainence cycle if the up-stops were spinning. This would mean that the springs on the road wheels were starting to fatigue and not holding the train up. What does that mean? Essentially, the shocks on the train needed replaced. (yup, that's why those rides are so darned smooth, they really do have shocks) Tim the Poor Engineering Student --------------------- I meant what I said, And I said what I meant, An elephant's faithful, One hundred percent. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Apr 03 13:40:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 20:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 41490 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 20:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 20:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.81.138.171) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 21:41:15 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31952 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:40:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200104032040.PAA31952@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question:drachen fire To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <20010403.162900.309.1.serpmage@juno.com> from "Tim N." at Apr 03, 2001 04:28:54 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > > > Interestingly, B&M trains also have a slight gap between the > > upstops and the > Yeah, I promise you that B&M trains are designed to have all wheels in > contact with the track at all times. Are you absolutlely sure? Every B&M wheel assembly I have seen (in real life, and photos) has one large bracket for the road and upstop wheels, with the side wheels clamped around it with the padding (which pushes the side wheels towards the track) at the back of the clamp. When Great America opens (JUST 32 DAYS LEFT!) I will try and get a good photo of the assemblies of Iron Wolf, and Raging Bull... Please don't think I'm saying 'your wrong' .. I have based my opinion purely upon what I have seen (yes, I have looked closely) .. I know nothing official. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From IOASpiderman@aol.com Tue Apr 03 15:03:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 22:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 85733 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 22:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 22:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 22:03:28 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.21.9c4000c (26121) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <21.9c4000c.27fba2aa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:03:22 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Roll-o-plane To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com << And neither of these should be confused with the "Rock-O-Plane," which is a completely different type of ride. It's like a jet ride, except you sit in old-style prop planes. As the ride spins and the planes rise, you can rotate yourself 360-degrees over and over. >> Wat is the "Rock-o-plane" ride? Is this what the ride at Knotts Berry Farm (X-1 was it?) that used to be where Supreme Scream is now? Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Tue Apr 03 15:14:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 22:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 92418 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 22:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 22:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.24) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 23:15:04 -0000 Received: by thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:16:21 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Coaster-Talk (E-mail)" Subject: Re: QUESTION: Upside-down Disney Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:15:43 -0500 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) From: "Carrier, Michael" > Has anyone here been on Rock n' Roller Coaster? Is it any good? Would you > recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster rider? 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Sea World S.A. is extending their season through Thanksgiving this year, so hopefully Fiesta will follow and maybe eventually we'll be back to near year-round coaster riding in S.A./Austin again. 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M4DQ)3D=43TY705-/4$5.05)/54Y$3D57645!4E-&3U)!0T]54$Q%1$%94RQ" M551.3U1304Y!3E1/3DE/05-44D]73U),1$%.1$9)15-4050``````@%_``$` M``!"````/$$Q,45!-T(X-SA%,D0T,3$X1D(P,#`U,#A"049$-D9%,#,T-40S ?0&%P;VQL;RYT:&5C8BYS=&%T92YT>"YU X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 22:47:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 94297 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 22:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 22:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 22:47:08 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp142.effingham.net [12.34.177.142]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c0bc90$7e309700$44b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20010403152815.6485.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> <3AC9FC0F.6C5DDFA0@gte.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:49:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Burnash" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney Ride starts and we hit the first spin pretty good, and > he takes a dive for my lap and puts a death grip on dear old dad's dear > ones! So hard that we can't get him to let go. Good thing I already had > children or I wouldn't afterwards. Between yelling in pain and yelling in > laughter I couldn't breathe, and could only watch everyone in line laughing. > But the worst was at the end of the ride when the attendant came over, very > concerned, and asked, "Are you ok or should I get some help?" AHHH!!! George, thanks for my laugh for the day...possibly my laugh for the whole month! That story is above is absolutely hilarious!! You know what the boys scouts always said..."Be prepared." Maybe next time you should wear a cup! --Jon From gocubs7@hotmail.com Tue Apr 03 16:43:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 23:42:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 97697 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 06:57:20 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.7 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:57:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.7] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Question on Flashback? Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:57:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2001 13:57:20.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[001E1D00:01C0BC46] From: "Tim Schroll" I have a question about Flashback's/Z-Force's track. This ride was designed by Intamin, but it resembles B&M's track a lot. I think I heard once that B&M used to work for Intamin. Was this ride designed back when B&M worked for Intamin? Or is it just me? I have a link so you may look at it. http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery128.htm?Picture=2 Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From asandy@depauw.edu Tue Apr 03 17:05:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 00:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 63831 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 00:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 00:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 00:05:11 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1Z2BUZQF48WXHW3@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:04:16 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1Z2BUL9H88Y6KQF@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:04:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:04:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Roll-o-plane To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000d01c0bc92$649afd60$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <21.9c4000c.27fba2aa@aol.com> From: The Slimmage > << And neither of these should be confused with the "Rock-O-Plane," which is > a completely different type of ride. It's like a jet ride, except you sit in > old-style prop planes. As the ride spins and the planes rise, you can rotate > yourself 360-degrees over and over. >> > > Wat is the "Rock-o-plane" ride? Is this what the ride at Knotts Berry Farm > (X-1 was it?) that used to be where Supreme Scream is now? I believe that the ride @ Knott's was the same style of ride, just a newer version (I believe it was similar to the Flight Commander Rides @ PKI & PKD. Here is a pic of the rock-o-plane (aka the fly-o-plane). I believe this was Whalom's, back when they had it (I think the flying skookters are there now). http://www.joyrides.com/temp/photos/fly_o_plane.jpg Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From asandy@depauw.edu Tue Apr 03 17:07:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 00:07:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 1699 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 00:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 00:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad2.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.212) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 00:07:11 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1Z2E4K9QO8WWY0I@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:06:05 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1Z2E49WME8Y6KQF@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:06:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:06:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Question on Flashback? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <001301c0bc92$a60b9d40$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: From: The Slimmage > I have a question about Flashback's/Z-Force's track. This ride was designed > by Intamin, but it resembles B&M's track a lot. I think I heard once that > B&M used to work for Intamin. Was this ride designed back when B&M worked > for Intamin? Or is it just me? I have a link so you may look at it. I believe so (like the track at Batman:The Escape @ SFAW), which brings me to a larger question which I have never had answered. Can Lance or someone else in the know fully explain the relationship Intamin/B&M/Gio have had and when the dates were that they worked for each other? Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From STINO999@aol.com Tue Apr 03 17:10:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 00:10:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 48458 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 00:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 00:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r14.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.68) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 00:10:58 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.7c.13ed1deb (16339) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c.13ed1deb.27fbc07d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:10:37 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Can Lance or someone else in the know fully explain the relationship Intamin/B&M/Gio have had and when the dates were that they worked for each other?<< Why did they break off from each other. was it managment problems? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From asandy@depauw.edu Tue Apr 03 17:11:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 00:11:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 94192 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 00:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 00:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 00:11:20 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1Z2JDMCHC8Y68K0@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:10:19 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1Z2JDEUFU8WXHHH@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:10:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:10:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Roll-o-plane To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000b01c0bc93$3d758420$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <21.9c4000c.27fba2aa@aol.com> <000d01c0bc92$649afd60$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> From: The Slimmage > > What is the "Rock-o-plane" ride? Is this what the ride at Knotts Berry > > Farm (X-1 was it?) that used to be where Supreme Scream is now? > > I believe that the ride @ Knott's was the same style of ride, just a newer > version (I believe it was similar to the Flight Commander Rides @ PKI & PKD. I should have made this a little clearer, this is the same concept, but was updated & manufactured (I believe) by a company other than Eyerly. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From drounds@jvlnet.com Tue Apr 03 17:36:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 00:36:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 69051 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 00:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 00:36:05 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id TAA18323; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:36:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:36:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200104040036.TAA18323@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: First ride (was Upside Down Disney) X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" I have taken a group of young people from our christian ministry to SFGAm, once or twice, each season for about the last 20 years and have exprienced all kinds of reactions from the ones that have never ridden a coaster before. One time I tried to trick one of them into going on the "American Eagle" (wood racer) by telling him we were going to ride a train (not really a lie, just stretching it a bit!) but he backed out when we got into the station. We could not even get him to go on the "Wizzer" (steel speed-racer?), the tamest coaster in the park. At the end of the day, we got in line for the ShockWave (steel looper), expecting that he would wait in the station for us, as he had done all day on the other coasters. He actually went on the "ShockWave" and totally loved it. His reaction was "CAN WE GO BACK AND GO ON THE OTHER COASTERS? He was very disappointed when we told him that the park was already closed and that he would have to wait till next year. > > > personally. But I wouldn't > > > recommend any dark/enclosed looper to a new coaster > > > rider. > > > > Why not? My experience with non-riders has been that > > they close their eyes anyway, so the darkness is not > > really a factor. > Most have closed their eyes but frequently would, by the end of the day, open their eyes for atleast part of the ride. > because they don't know what to prepare for. And some that I have been with > wanted to be "talked thru" the ride- told what was coming next, how big a > drop, etc. Never happened with me! > > Again from experience with non-riders, most of them > > cant stand woodies because they are loud, rattle a > > lot, and *seem* unsafe. And the original poster Some will first go on a woodie, others one of the steel ones--never can tell. > steels, with the only exception being Willards Whizzer at then Marriotts' > Great America. Seems like several like them because they know they won't go > upside down on them (SOB excluded of course). Some have even refused to go on this one. I believe that is either because of the noise or the fact that you cannot see the whole ride, even from the station. > I'd have to strongly disagree on this one. On almost every non-rider or > new-rider that I've known, as well as myself when I was young, the fear of > going upside-down on top of the fear of the coaster almost invariably means > no-ride. Almost without exception, all the non-riders I've known were > absolutely terrified of inversions and wouldn't go near them until we had > built them up for it. In the days of the "Tidal Wave" (shuttle loop), some of them even chose this one over the others as their first coaster. The one ride I have never had anyone ride as their first ride is "Batman, The Ride" (Inverted). Many times, they will even go on all the other coasters but not this one. I do not have this one figured out, yet, but it might be that be because it is an inverted (with nothing under their feet). Dave Rounds From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Apr 03 17:45:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 00:45:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 57743 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 00:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 00:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 00:45:27 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.95.924e4de (3700) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95.924e4de.27fbc8a4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:45:24 EDT Subject: Fwd: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/2001 8:07:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asandy@depauw.edu writes: > I believe so (like the track at Batman:The Escape @ SFAW), which brings me > to a larger question which I have never had answered. Can Lance or someone > else in the know fully explain the relationship Intamin/B&M/Gio have had and > I have the same question as I was on a rollercoaster site and it lists Giovanola as the builder of one of their coasters, but the designer was Intamin. Also, I noticed eventhough Intamin designed Superman TE, Vekoma International was partly responsible for the building of this coaster. Is that why it tool almost two years to get this ride going? Never, Ever, Lose Sight of the Thrill, Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Apr 03 18:29:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 01:29:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 18720 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 01:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 01:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 01:22:04 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNUitoTjfzEm/Cr+CcGWp8kA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZ545KBY; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:21:20 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:18:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? Message-ID: <20010403.201853.-91869.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-14 From: "Nate K." >Can Lance > or someone > > else in the know fully explain the relationship Intamin/B&M/Gio > have had and > Also, I noticed eventhough Intamin designed Superman TE, > Vekoma > International was partly responsible for the building of this > coaster. What?? This is the first I've heard of Vekoma's involvement in the S:TE project. Where did you read that? How were they involved? -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 19:06:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 02:06:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 65960 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 02:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 02:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 02:06:12 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id UAA80363511 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:59:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACA8270.ABF22F5C@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:09:53 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane References: <21.9c4000c.27fba2aa@aol.com> <000d01c0bc92$649afd60$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash The Slimmage wrote: > > << And neither of these should be confused with the "Rock-O-Plane," which > is a completely different type of ride. It's like a jet ride, except you sit > in old-style prop planes. As the ride spins and the planes rise, you can > rotate yourself 360-degrees over and over. >> > > > Here is a pic of the rock-o-plane (aka the fly-o-plane). I believe this was > Whalom's, back when they had it (I think the flying skookters are there > now). > http://www.joyrides.com/temp/photos/fly_o_plane.jpg > Here I thought I was going nuts because every time I thought of Rock-O-Plane, I was thinking of a completely different type of ride than what Jay described originally. And with your picture link Adam, I knew that it was a different ride. Are you sure you have the right name Jay? Because every time I think of Rock-O-Plane, and everytime I see one, including one at the SCBB, it is a small, modified ferris wheel type of ride with 6 or 8 cages that can be independantly spun around. I found a pic of one at: http://themeparks.about.com/travel/themeparks/library/rides/blpgcar_oplane2.htm (which by the way is a great site for pictures of different types of rides) So are they both Rock-O-Planes, or is someone making a mistake of some sort. I'm totally confused- well not totally, but you get the idea. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 19:29:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 02:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 8511 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 02:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 02:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 02:29:23 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id VAA124817119 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACA87E0.21728F95@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:33:04 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? References: <95.924e4de.27fbc8a4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash joe.dolce@mustangs.com wrote: > Also, I noticed eventhough Intamin designed Superman TE, Vekoma > International was partly responsible for the building of this coaster. Is > that why it tool almost two years to get this ride going? > First time I've ever heard anything about Vekoma being involved in S:TE. Intamin is the official builder of the ride, but it was either B&M or Giovanola that worked extensively in the construction of it (possibly both) as they were still under the Intamin umbrella at the time. I would love to see your source on Vekoma being involved just to see how much and what they did. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From IOASpiderman@aol.com Tue Apr 03 19:30:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 02:30:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 46312 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 02:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 02:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 02:30:18 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.60.d04b841 (4558) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60.d04b841.27fbe133@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:30:11 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com << > Also, I noticed eventhough Intamin designed Superman TE, > Vekoma > International was partly responsible for the building of this > coaster. What?? This is the first I've heard of Vekoma's involvement in the S:TE project. Where did you read that? How were they involved? >> There was another S:TE type ride, not a clone, built in dreamworld Austrailia called Tower of Terror... I think it might have been built a year later. But I never heard of any problems on it. I remember reading that they were mad at SF for claiming that STE was faster even though the people at dreamworld clocked their coaster hitting 100 MPH. I also think they got mad at them for SF saying theirs was taller, even though the ToT is 380 feet tall. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From IOASpiderman@aol.com Tue Apr 03 20:13:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 03:13:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 72515 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 03:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 03:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 03:13:32 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.31.12c7a7fd (26124) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31.12c7a7fd.27fbeb53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:13:23 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com Here are pictures of what (hopefully) the rides are... Here is a Rock-o-plane: http://themeparks.about.com/travel/themeparks/library/rides/blpgcar_oplane2.ht m Here is a Loop-o-plane (even though we didn't really talk about this "o-plane", it is a sweet ride): http://themeparks.about.com/library/rides/blpgcar_oplane3.htm Here is a Fly-o-plane: http://www.joyrides.com/temp/photos/fly_o_plane.jpg (by the way... how did you get that picture off of joyrides? Is there a directory i am missing?) Here is a Roll-o-plane: http://members.aol.com/surfdancec/rolloplane.htm Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 20:13:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 03:13:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 28356 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 03:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 03:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 04:14:44 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id WAA126652558 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:15:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACA9241.50D667FF@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:17:21 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? References: <60.d04b841.27fbe133@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash IOASpiderman@aol.com wrote: > There was another S:TE type ride, not a clone, built in dreamworld Austrailia > called Tower of Terror... I think it might have been built a year later. But > I never heard of any problems on it. I remember reading that they were mad > at SF for claiming that STE was faster even though the people at dreamworld > clocked their coaster hitting 100 MPH. I also think they got mad at them for > SF saying theirs was taller, even though the ToT is 380 feet tall. > The reason that they get upset is because S:TE is taller and faster than ToT. S:TE is consistently over 100mph, and has been clocked sometimes near the 110mph mark. ToT on the other hand I believe averages in the high 90's. Also, S:TE's tower is over 410 feet tall. Although I will add in the caveat that the ride is given about the first 35 feet or so off the ground since it goes over a walkway at that point. But the tower, and the actualy height that you reach, is greater than ToT's. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Apr 03 20:13:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 03:13:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 28381 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 03:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 03:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r15.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.69) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 04:14:45 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.f6.8bc390a (5775) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:12:48 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/3/2001 10:30:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 IOASpiderman@aol.com writes: > What?? This is the first I've heard of Vekoma's involvement in the S:TE > project. Where did you read that?=20=20 Superman: The Escape Section Guide =20=20=20=20 Ride Guide Coaster Guide=20=20=20 =A0 One of the biggest problems ever tried.=A0 This ride took almost an extra y= ear=20 to open.=A0 So many problems hit this ride, it is amazing they ever got it = to=20 run.=A0 It is however, an amazing ride Type:=A0 Steel, Shuttle, racing Max Height:=A0 415 feet Max Drop:=A0 about 380 feet Speed:=A0 100 miles per hour G-Force:=A0 4.5 Inversions:=A0 0=A0=20 Length:=A0 1,235 feet Ride Time:=A0=A0 28 seconds from station Trains:=A0 1 train per side.=A0 The first row of the train holds 3 people i= n the=20 front row, and then 4 in the other 3 rows. Restraints:=A0 lap bar Colors:=A0 All Silver track. Height Limit:=A0 Riders must be 48 inches to ride. Special Features-=A0 Everything about this ride is a special feature.=A0 Af= ter an=20 amazing launch, riders hit 100 mph in just 7 seconds.=A0 At the top of the= =20 tower, riders feel 6.5 seconds of weightlessness.=A0 The ride then plummets= =20 back to earth once again, hitting 100 mph. Designed By: Intamin AG and Six Flags magic Mountain=A0 Constructed by:=A0 Cegelec, Intrasys, Vekoma International=A0 Opening Date:=A0 Planned for May 96, the ride finally opened on 3/15/1997 Credit given to Allen over at rollercoasterz.com for this information. Che= ck=20 out the link to his SFMM Guide. There's some interesting information. =20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Apr 03 20:20:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 03:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 43138 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 03:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 03:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 03:20:19 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.88.4aac270 (5775) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88.4aac270.27fbeceb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:20:11 EDT Subject: SOME INFO RE: FLASHBACK To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Flashback - Credit to Allen at Rollercoasterz.com =20=20=20=20 Ah, one of the weirdest coasters out there.=A0 Flashback has been called th= e=20 worst coaster that is currently standing.=A0 Flashback was a one of a kind= =20 coaster, called a Space Diver.=A0 It is a very small coaster but gives a on= e of=20 a kind ride experience only available at SFMM. Type:=A0 Space Diver=A0 Max Height:=A0 86 feet. Max Drop:=A0 Nobody is quite sure. Speed:=A0 35mph G-Force:=A0 2.4 Inversions:=A0 0 Length:=A01900 feet=A0 Ride Time:=A0 1:30=A0 Trains:=A0 3 trains that sit 4 people in a row with 1 row per car.=A0 Each = train=20 has 4 cars.=A0 Restraints:=A0 Horse Collar and Lap bar Height Requirements:=A0 48 inches=20 Colors:=A0 Blue track with white supports Special Features:=A0 This ride has hairpin drops.=A0 Each drop is incredibl= y=20 steep.=A0 This ride has also been moved three times.=A0 It first opened as= =20 Z-Force at Six Flags Great America.=A0 Then it was moved to Six Flags Over= =20 Georgia.=A0 The ride was then moved over to Magic Mountain, where it was=20 renamed as Flashback.=A0=A0 Height Limit:=A0 48 inches=A0 Designed By:=A0 Intamin=20 Constructed by:=A0 Giovanola Opening Date:=A0 1992 =20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jrushi5@lsu.edu Tue Apr 03 20:40:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 03:40:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 38638 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 03:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 03:40:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.77.251) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 03:40:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:40:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 04/03/2001 10:40:53 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" << > Also, I noticed eventhough Intamin designed Superman TE, > Vekoma > International was partly responsible for the building of this > coaster. I think u are thinking of S:UE which vekoma could possible be involved in making because their specialty is inverteds From joe.dolce@mustangs.com Tue Apr 03 20:44:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 03:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 86252 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 03:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 03:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 03:44:22 -0000 Received: from DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.e6.13c17d23 (5775) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:44:09 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 X-eGroups-From: DOLCE7TBFL@aol.com From: joe.dolce@mustangs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/3/2001 11:41:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrushi5@lsu.edu writes: > << > Also, I noticed eventhough Intamin designed Superman TE, > > Vekoma > > International was partly responsible for the building of this > > coaster. > > I think u are thinking of S:UE which vekoma could possible be involved in > I ask everyone who cannot believe Vekoma has any part in Superman, TE to contact Allen@rollercoasterz.com I for one find it very believable considering B&M designed Drachen Fire, but Arrow built it. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 21:02:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 04:02:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 62510 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 04:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 04:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 04:02:19 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id WAA131000513 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACA9DA7.6F27C02E@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:05:59 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane References: <31.12c7a7fd.27fbeb53@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Thanks Mike. These pictures follow along with what I thought a Rock-o-plane was/is. But the other guys, if I'm not mistaken, were saying that the Fly-o-plane was a Rock-o-plane, which is why I was confused. Ah well, guess I'll have to wait til one of them gets to it. Gosh I hate waiting. Amost as bad as a line at a coaster park. Keep on ridin' George IOASpiderman@aol.com wrote: > Here are pictures of what (hopefully) the rides are... > > Here is a Rock-o-plane: > http://themeparks.about.com/travel/themeparks/library/rides/blpgcar_oplane2.ht > m > > Here is a Loop-o-plane (even though we didn't really talk about this > "o-plane", it is a sweet ride): > http://themeparks.about.com/library/rides/blpgcar_oplane3.htm > > Here is a Fly-o-plane: > http://www.joyrides.com/temp/photos/fly_o_plane.jpg > (by the way... how did you get that picture off of joyrides? Is there a > directory i am missing?) > > Here is a Roll-o-plane: > http://members.aol.com/surfdancec/rolloplane.htm > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 21:17:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 04:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 74666 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 04:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 04:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 04:17:48 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id XAA143545272 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:13:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACAA148.1CD7BD70@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:21:28 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Superman and Vekoma? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash joe.dolce@mustangs.com wrote: > Superman: The Escape > Section Guide > > > Designed By: Intamin AG and Six Flags magic Mountain > Constructed by: Cegelec, Intrasys, Vekoma International > Opening Date: Planned for May 96, the ride finally opened on 3/15/1997 Hate to say this, but I think that the site has the info wrong. They are the only ones I have ever seen mention Vekoma, and I think that they may have meant Giovanola, who I believe provided the steel for it. I checked at least a dozen other sites, and noone else has Vekoma mentioned. In fact I tried a couple of different searches on different engines for "Superman Escape Vekoma" and came up with a big fat -0-. I'm thinking it's a mix up. But I would love to find out more about this if anyone else has some info that we don't know about. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Apr 03 21:27:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 04:27:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 40340 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 04:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 04:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 04:27:07 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id XAA86563967 Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:20:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACAA377.9FA75991@gte.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:30:47 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allen@rollercoasterz.com Cc: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: Question about Vekoma and Superman:The Escape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hi Allen. I'm a member of a roller coaster talk group, formerly known as Coaster-Talk at the now defunt World of Coasters site. We've had a discussion start up in the last couple of days about Superman The Escape and whether or not Vekoma helped in the construction of it. One gentleman on the list supplied your site as his source that Vekoma was, and after some extensive searching, yours is the only one I've been able to find that Vekoma listed as being involved with the ride. Being that roller coaster fanatics are the understanding people that they are (grin), I'm sure that you can imagine that this has caused quite a bit of consternation from our group. A few were wondering if there was a mixup between Vekoma and Giovanola, who is known to have provided steel for the ride. So I'm hoping that you might be able to help us out a bit with some details about what exactly Vekoma's involvement was, and if you're willing your source of info also. We would appreciate your input and helping us to sort out the confusion. BTW, my compliments to your site! Added it to my bookmarks tonight. Thanks for your time and input, George Burnash moderator RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com 80 members and growing! -- __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From asandy@depauw.edu Tue Apr 03 21:42:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 04:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 47898 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 04:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 04:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad2.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.212) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 04:42:29 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K1ZC0UBGK08WWY0I@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:41:59 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K1ZBY9V3QY8Y6OD9@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:40:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Roll-o-plane To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000901c0bcb8$f9461d20$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <31.12c7a7fd.27fbeb53@aol.com> <3ACA9DA7.6F27C02E@gte.net> From: The Slimmage > Thanks Mike. These pictures follow along with what I thought a Rock-o-plane > was/is. But the other guys, if I'm not mistaken, were saying that the Fly-o-plane > was a Rock-o-plane, which is why I was confused. I am going to agree with Mike's assessment. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Apr 03 23:02:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 06:02:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 22994 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 06:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 06:02:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 06:02:40 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNbZXWZ+tuCQesEsL4Bb5+cQ=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id FZ6L8HEF; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:02:33 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:00:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? Message-ID: <20010404.010033.-342947.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,16-17,19,21-23,26-29 From: "Nate K." > > << > Also, I noticed eventhough Intamin designed Superman TE, > > > Vekoma > > > International was partly responsible for the building of this > > > coaster. > I ask everyone who cannot believe Vekoma has any part in Superman, > TE to > contact Allen@rollercoasterz.com I for one find it very believable > considering B&M designed Drachen Fire, but Arrow built it. This situation is very different from the Drachen Fire one. B&M passed off Drachen Fire because their work load was too heavy for them to complete 2 sitdown coasters. Arrow was chosen because of their experience with building multi-loopers. In the case of S:UE, Vekoma had not built anything like it, and there would have no reason Intamin couldn't build it. It's my guess that the information on the site that lists Vekoma is wrong. I can see a couple possibilities for this mixup: 1)Vekoma's work on their prototype Hammerhead Stahl (which is somewhat similar to S:UE) may have been confused with a S:UE-type ride 2)Vekoma built Superman at SFH; perhaps somebody mistook Vekoma's work on SFH's Superman for SFMM's Superman. 3)As mentioned earlier, Vekoma may have been confused with Giovanola These are just my thoughts, and I could very well be wrong. I'm just offering some insight to how someone could mix up information (and that's only assuming that it is wrong). -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From fakemeat@rollercoasterz.com Wed Apr 04 07:32:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fakemeat@rollercoasterz.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 14:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 61778 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 14:32:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: fakemeat@rollercoasterz.com Received: from [10.1.10.100] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2001 14:32:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:32:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vekoma and Superman Message-ID: <9afb9g+3mc2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 587 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.165.163.15 From: "Allen Ayers" Well, I decided to come by and feild this one. Giovanola had nothing to do with Superman, the only place I can really see confusion with them is they did build the Intamin designed Flashback. Superman was designed by Intamin and SFMM (actually it was Jim Blackies concept) and was constructed by Cegelec, Intrasys, and yes Vekoma International. While I'm not 100% sure what Vekoma did, I do believe that they helped in the construction of the rides trains. Never been sure about that but that is what I was told. Regardless if that is true, Vekoma did help in construction. 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Thanks, justin From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Apr 04 10:21:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 17:21:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 75406 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 17:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 17:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 17:21:17 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id MAA133657228 Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:17:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACB58EB.DC9C3BD6@gte.net> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:24:59 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: Question about Vekoma and Superman:The Escape- Allen's Reply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Hey guys, heard from Allen today. Following is his reply to the email that I sent out. Thought that you would like to see it. Allen Ayers wrote: > Hello, > I'll be sure to join the group. I was a member of Coaster-Talk normally I > just read but every now and then I'd come up with a post. > > Now answering your question. Giovanola had nothing to do with Superman, > the only place I can really see confusion with them is they did build the > Intamin designed Flashback. Superman was designed by Intamin and SFMM > (actually it was Jim Blackies concept) and was constructed by Cegelec, > Intrasys, and yes Vekoma International. While I'm not 100% sure what Vekoma > did, I do believe that they helped in the construction of the rides trains. > Never been sure about that but that is what I was told. Regardless if that > is true, Vekoma did help in construction. > > Allen > > www.rollercoasterz.com > Can you handle it? > > www.sfmmguide.com > The largest guide to Six Flags Magic Mountain on the web! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Burnash [mailto:burn.doug@gte.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:31 PM > > To: Allen@rollercoasterz.com > > Cc: RollerCoasterTalk > > Subject: Question about Vekoma and Superman:The Escape > > > > > > Hi Allen. I'm a member of a roller coaster talk group, formerly known > > as Coaster-Talk at the now defunt World of Coasters site. We've had a > > discussion start up in the last couple of days about Superman > > The Escape > > and whether or not Vekoma helped in the construction of it. One > > gentleman on the list supplied your site as his source that > > Vekoma was, > > and after some extensive searching, yours is the only one > > I've been able > > to find that Vekoma listed as being involved with the ride. > > > > Being that roller coaster fanatics are the understanding people that > > they are (grin), I'm sure that you can imagine that this has caused > > quite a bit of consternation from our group. A few were wondering if > > there was a mixup between Vekoma and Giovanola, who is known to have > > provided steel for the ride. So I'm hoping that you might be able to > > help us out a bit with some details about what exactly Vekoma's > > involvement was, and if you're willing your source of info also. We > > would appreciate your input and helping us to sort out the confusion. > > > > BTW, my compliments to your site! Added it to my bookmarks tonight. > > > > Thanks for your time and input, > > George Burnash > > moderator > > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > > 80 members and growing! > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Apr 04 10:33:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 17:33:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 74925 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 17:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 17:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 18:34:38 -0000 Received: (cpmta 13866 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 10:33:33 -0700 Date: 4 Apr 2001 10:33:33 -0700 Message-ID: <20010404173333.13865.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 4 Apr 2001 17:33:33 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 04 Apr 2001 10:33:33 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane From: jay@karenandjay.com > I believe this was Whalom's, back when they had it (I think the flying skookters are there now).< Correct. My favorite thing about the rock/fly-o-plane was the lift mechanism. It was fascinating to watch. It's similar to the mechanism used on some of the old caterpillar rides still around (like at Canobie Lake). Basically, there was a centerpost with one cable connected to it for each plane. When the ride began revolving, the centerpost locked and the cables wrapped themselves around the post in a spiral. As they did so, that raised the arms holding each plane. When the planes reached their highest point, the centerpost would unlock and revolve with the ride. At the end of the ride, the post would turn and the cables would unwind, returning the planes to the ground. I still can hear that odd "click...ka-bunk" that the mechanism would make over and over.... Jay From chillerjen@yahoo.com Wed Apr 04 10:43:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chillerjen@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 17:43:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 652 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 17:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 17:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web9208.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.129.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 18:44:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20010404174328.76210.qmail@web9208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.237.42] by web9208.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:43:28 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Upside-down Disney To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jennifer Maher --- CPMForce@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone here been on Rock n' Roller Coaster? Is it any > good? Would you > recommend that I recommend it to a first-time major coaster > rider? Last summer, my mom, who hates rollercoasters, rode RNR with no problems. When we came out the the preshow and she saw a train take off, her chin practically hit the floor. But since there were no big drops, it's fairly smooth, and with the theming and music, she wasn't traumatized, and she even enjoyed it a bit. She was a bit wobbly when we got off, though. :) Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 12:47:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 19:47:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 75331 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 19:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 19:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.59) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 20:48:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:47:36 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:47:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.67] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:47:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 19:47:36.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[18F993E0:01C0BD40] From: "Tim Schroll" >I believe so (like the track at Batman:The Escape @ SFAW), which brings me >to a larger question which I have never had answered. Can Lance or someone >else in the know fully explain the relationship Intamin/B&M/Gio have had >and >when the dates were that they worked for each other? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah but B:TE at SFAW was built in 1993. Wasn't B&M building their own rides by at least 1991/92 (Batman: The Ride at SFGAm?) Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Apr 04 12:49:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 19:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 41780 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 19:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 19:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.81.138.171) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 19:49:21 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06843 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200104041949.OAA06843@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:49:20 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "Tim Schroll" at Apr 04, 2001 02:47:35 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > >I believe so (like the track at Batman:The Escape @ SFAW), which brings me > >to a larger question which I have never had answered. Can Lance or someone > >else in the know fully explain the relationship Intamin/B&M/Gio have had > >and > >when the dates were that they worked for each other? > Yeah but B:TE at SFAW was built in 1993. Wasn't B&M building their own > rides by at least 1991/92 (Batman: The Ride at SFGAm?) Iron Wolf at Great America was built by B&M (as B&M) in 1990. That was their first ride. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Wed Apr 04 13:00:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 20:00:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 55213 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 20:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 20:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.24) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 20:00:22 -0000 Received: by thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:02:42 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Coaster-Talk (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Question on Flashback? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:02:06 -0500 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) From: "Carrier, Michael" > Yeah but B:TE at SFAW was built in 1993. Wasn't B&M building their own > rides by at least 1991/92 (Batman: The Ride at SFGAm?) B:TE was built in the late 80s I believe. 1993 was just the year it was moved to SFAW. 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M`0```!L```!293H@475E"YU``@0`0```&4```!914%( M0E540CI414%44T9!5U=!4T)524Q424XQ.3DS5T%33E1")DU"54E,1$E.1U1( M14E23U=.4DE$15-"64%43$5!4U0Q.3DQ+SDR*$)!5$U!3CI42$52241%0513 M1D=!33\I``````(!?P`!````0@```#Q!,3%%03=".# X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 20:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 79071 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 20:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 20:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad2.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.212) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 20:02:23 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K2085MCQEO8Y71JQ@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:01:53 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K2085LJ9MW8Y72ZW@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:01:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:01:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Question on Flashback? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <001201c0bd39$a7ad1e60$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200104041949.OAA06843@buzzneon.com> From: The Slimmage > > Yeah but B:TE at SFAW was built in 1993. Wasn't B&M building their own > > rides by at least 1991/92 (Batman: The Ride at SFGAm?) Actually, it was built in 1987 at SFMM, moved to SFGAdv in 1990 and moved to SFAstro in 1993. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 14:08:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 21:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 31364 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 21:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 21:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.90) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 21:07:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:17:11 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:17:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.67] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:17:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 20:17:11.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B1D84F0:01C0BD44] From: "Tim Schroll" Ooops. My bad. Tim S. >Actually, it was built in 1987 at SFMM, moved to SFGAdv in 1990 and moved >to >SFAstro in 1993. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 14:40:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 21:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 83933 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 21:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 21:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.26) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 21:40:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:40:22 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:40:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.67] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:40:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 21:40:22.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA110B30:01C0BD4F] From: "Tim Schroll" >From: "Tim Schroll" >Reply-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:17:11 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.67] >Received: from [64.211.240.233] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC94D8E8003D4004322440D3F0E93F0B56; Wed Apr 04 14:12:22 2001 >Received: from [10.1.4.52] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2001 >21:09:53 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 21:08:30 -0000 >Received: (qmail 31364 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 21:07:43 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 >21:07:43 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.90) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 >Apr 2001 21:07:43 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:17:11 -0700 >Received: from 216.176.148.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with >HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:17:11 GMT >From sentto-2975606-477-986418520-gocubs7 Wed Apr 04 14:13:09 2001 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-2975606-477-986418520-gocubs7=hotmail.com@returns.onelist.com >X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com >X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >Message-ID: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 20:17:11.0359 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3B1D84F0:01C0BD44] >Mailing-List: list RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; contact >RollerCoasterTalk-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: > >Ooops. My bad. Tim S. > > > >Actually, it was built in 1987 at SFMM, moved to SFGAdv in 1990 and moved > >to > >SFAstro in 1993. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 14:43:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 21:43:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20752 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 21:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 21:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 21:42:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:42:50 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:42:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:42:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 21:42:50.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[32827E20:01C0BD50] From: "Chris Kearsing" >The reason that they get upset is because S:TE is taller and faster than >ToT. >S:TE is consistently over 100mph, and has been clocked sometimes near the >110mph >mark. ToT on the other hand I believe averages in the high 90's. >Also, S:TE's tower is over 410 feet tall. Although I will add in the >caveat that >the ride is given about the first 35 feet or so off the ground since it >goes over >a walkway at that point. But the tower, and the actualy height that you >reach, >is greater than ToT's. S:TE and TOT are clones, with S:TE having two tracks. S:TE is only taller because it's on a mountain or something, but the actual rides themselves are the same. They both claim the same top speed. As for Vekoma being involved, I don't think so. It sounds like that website is misinformed. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 14:43:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 21:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 21309 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 21:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 21:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.66) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 21:43:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:43:02 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:43:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.67] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Question on Rollbacks? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:43:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 21:43:02.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[396C5C10:01C0BD50] From: "Tim Schroll" When a roller coaster train stops or rolls back like on a hill or something, how do they get it back to the station? Like if MF rolled back somewhere on the island, how would they get the train back to the station? Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 14:44:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 21:44:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 94203 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 21:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 21:43:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.58) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 22:44:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:43:48 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:43:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.67] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Question on Rollbacks? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:43:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 21:43:48.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[54DAE980:01C0BD50] From: "Tim Schroll" When a roller coaster train stops or rolls back like on a hill or something, how do they get it back to the station? Like if MF rolled back somewhere on the island, how would they get the train back to the station? Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 14:44:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 21:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 93897 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 21:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 21:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.197) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 21:43:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:43:38 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:43:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.67] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Question on Rollbacks? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:43:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2001 21:43:38.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EA58E80:01C0BD50] From: "Tim Schroll" When a roller coaster train stops or rolls back like on a hill or something, how do they get it back to the station? Like if MF rolled back somewhere on the island, how would they get the train back to the station? Tim S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From asandy@depauw.edu Wed Apr 04 15:16:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 22:16:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 4879 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 22:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 22:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad2.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.212) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 23:17:06 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K20CSOA84G8WY3F3@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:15:01 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K20CSNP7VE8Y76PX@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:14:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:14:34 -0400 Subject: NEWS: This is what happened to that Jazzland SLC... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000c01c0bd4c$3fc4cc40$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage Found this article link on RRC. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** News N.O. park shelves ride ; city says rent is owed 04/04/2001 The Baton Rouge Advocate Page 17-A (Copyright 2001 by Capital City Press) NEW ORLEANS - The Jazzland Theme Park has scuttled plans for an $8 million roller coaster . Instead of the excitement of a high-tech "suspended-loop roller coaster ," Jazzland plans to install a "frog-hopper" in the Kids' Carnival for small children. The park also chose to spend money on trees, flowers, benches, shaded areas and entertainment. The roller coaster is "on hold," said Jazzland spokesman Patrick Evans, who was unable to say when, or if, the attraction will appear. "We decided we needed to look at a few other things first that dealt with guest comfort and experience," Evans said. Meanwhile, city officials were told Tuesday that the eastern New Orleans amusement park has paid its rent and owes no late fees to the city. Earlier reports had said Jazzland owed $101,250 in fees, and Jazzland disputed the figures. City accountants agreed with the theme park in a meeting with officials Tuesday. City officials also said that Jazzland now has released the financial information that city auditors had requested so they could determine if the park paid the proper amount to the NOLA Economic Development Corp. Jazzland has a deal with the city in which the park pays money to NOLA, a public-benefit company, instead of paying property taxes. The financial report was about NOLA, which is supposed to use the money for unspecified economic development projects. The news of the suspended roller coaster comes as many small companies that sell food, hardware, signs and toys to the park have said they haven't been paid for last season's supplies. Other small subcontractors who helped build the park have been caught in a dispute between Alfa Smart Parks, the company that owns the park; Ogden Corp., the former owner; and Broadmoor, the division of Boh Bros. Construction Co. that was the prime contractor on the project. But some subcontractors were paid Monday. In a deal brokered by Mayor Marc Morial, the city released to Jazzland $3.5 million that remained in HUD-backed loans for the park's construction on the condition that the owner pay the minority- and women-owned companies that worked on the park through the city's Open Access program. Open Access is a city program that encourages private companies to do business with businesses owned by women and members of minority groups. Jazzland executives issued $403,218 in checks to seven Open Access companies. Another $183,093 is owed to 12 more minority- and women-owned Open Access companies. Jazzland executives said they're not responsible for those bills. From fakemeat@rollercoasterz.com Wed Apr 04 15:34:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fakemeat@rollercoasterz.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 4 Apr 2001 22:34:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 28274 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2001 22:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2001 22:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO b05.egroups.com) (10.1.2.184) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2001 22:33:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: fakemeat@rollercoasterz.com Received: from [10.1.10.118] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2001 22:32:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:32:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SOME INFO RE: FLASHBACK Message-ID: <9ag7d0+ea4v@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <88.4aac270.27fbeceb@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1541 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.165.163.15 From: "Allen Ayers" If any of you know the drop it'd really help me out. When I wrote=20 that I went as far as calling SFMM on it. BTW if you want a faster=20 way to my SFMM I also own www.sfmmguide.com=20 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., joe.dolce@m... wrote: > Flashback - Credit to Allen at Rollercoasterz.com >=20=20=20=20=20 > Ah, one of the weirdest coasters out there.=A0 Flashback has been=20 called the=20 > worst coaster that is currently standing.=A0 Flashback was a one of a=20 kind=20 > coaster, called a Space Diver.=A0 It is a very small coaster but gives=20 a one of=20 > a kind ride experience only available at SFMM. >=20 > Type:=A0 Space Diver=A0 > Max Height:=A0 86 feet. > Max Drop:=A0 Nobody is quite sure. > Speed:=A0 35mph > G-Force:=A0 2.4 > Inversions:=A0 0 > Length:=A01900 feet=A0 > Ride Time:=A0 1:30=A0 > Trains:=A0 3 trains that sit 4 people in a row with 1 row per car.=A0=20 Each train=20 > has 4 cars.=A0 > Restraints:=A0 Horse Collar and Lap bar > Height Requirements:=A0 48 inches=20 > Colors:=A0 Blue track with white supports > Special Features:=A0 This ride has hairpin drops.=A0 Each drop is=20 incredibly=20 > steep.=A0 This ride has also been moved three times.=A0 It first opened=20 as=20 > Z-Force at Six Flags Great America.=A0 Then it was moved to Six Flags=20 Over=20 > Georgia.=A0 The ride was then moved over to Magic Mountain, where it=20 was=20 > renamed as Flashback.=A0=A0 > Height Limit:=A0 48 inches=A0 > Designed By:=A0 Intamin=20 > Constructed by:=A0 Giovanola > Opening Date:=A0 1992 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gocubs7@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 17:57:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 00:57:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 67026 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 00:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 00:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.14.150) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 00:57:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:57:41 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.8 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:57:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.8] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Flashback Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:57:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 00:57:41.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A886D50:01C0BD6B] From: "Tim Schroll" >Restraints: Horse Collar and Lap bar This is what Allen said about Flashback's restraints. What is the horse collar? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From coastertalk@earthlink.net Wed Apr 04 18:20:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastertalk@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 01:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 91767 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 01:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 01:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 01:20:05 -0000 Received: from sam (evrtwa1-ar5-105-050.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.105.50]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27079 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e501c0bd6e$d9dc0060$32692304@sam> To: Subject: Riddler's Revenge Music Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:22:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Sam Kislevitz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who have been on Riddlers Revenge, you have probably heard the cool techno music that they play in the queue. I just wanted to let everyone know that I (actually my brother) found it. I posted it in my web space. If anyone wants it, here is a link http://home.earthlink.net/~coastertalk/Riddler.mp3 -Sam Kislevitz- Who finally dumped his AOL mail account SammyBK@earthlink.net http://members.nbci.com/SammyBK/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From IOASpiderman@aol.com Wed Apr 04 18:36:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 01:36:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 60414 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 01:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 01:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 01:36:12 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.8f.9389c89 (26119) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f.9389c89.27fd260a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:36:10 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Batman: The Escape To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com In a message dated 4/4/2001 4:07:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asandy@depauw.edu writes: << > > Yeah but B:TE at SFAW was built in 1993. Wasn't B&M building their own > > rides by at least 1991/92 (Batman: The Ride at SFGAm?) Actually, it was built in 1987 at SFMM, moved to SFGAdv in 1990 and moved to SFAstro in 1993. >> Hey... I remember reading this before on a SFMM site that it moved to SFGAd. When it was there, does anybody know where it was? Was it in the site where Viper is now? Also, what was the name of it? Just curious to know more about my home park... Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From SambPhil@aol.com Wed Apr 04 19:01:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: SambPhil@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 02:01:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 21677 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 02:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 02:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 02:01:38 -0000 Received: from SambPhil@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.a1.1388001d (24896) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:01:32 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Riddler's Revenge Music To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 From: SambPhil@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The name of the song is "Ecuador" by "Sash!." Only one part of it is actually played on Riddler's as a loop. -Sam, the guy who dislikes Green Eggs and Ham [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 19:26:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 02:26:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 82523 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 02:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 02:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.30.134) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 03:27:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:26:44 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:26:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Batman: The Escape Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:26:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 02:26:44.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB2189A0:01C0BD77] From: "Chris Kearsing" >Hey... I remember reading this before on a SFMM site that it moved to >SFGAd. >When it was there, does anybody know where it was? Was it in the site >where >Viper is now? Also, what was the name of it? Just curious to know more >about my home park... Shockwave stood where Houdini is now. It took up that space, all the way back to where Dino Island is now. It was blue, and it was very loud. It was there from 1990-1992. Until Houdini was built, footers for the ride, and part of the queue line and station still remained. On a similar note, footers for "Sarajevo Bobsled" still remain on the Scream Machine site. Sarajevo Bobsled was there from... 1984-1988 I believe. It went to SFGAm next, as "Rolling Thunder." It sat in storage from 1995-1997, and reopened as "Alpine Bobsled" at The Great Escape in 1998. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Apr 04 19:28:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 02:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 88087 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 02:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 02:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 02:28:53 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id VAA123029136 Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACBD941.86C9011F@gte.net> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:32:33 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Flashback References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Tim Schroll wrote: > >Restraints: Horse Collar and Lap bar > > This is what Allen said about Flashback's restraints. What is the horse > collar? An over the shoulder harness that loops around over your chest. If you look at it, it looks a bit like a collar that a horse would wear to pull a cart. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Apr 04 19:39:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 02:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29885 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 02:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 02:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 02:39:29 -0000 Received: from lorenzer (ppp149.effingham.net [12.34.177.149]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c0bd7a$25a983e0$95b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <000c01c0bd4c$3fc4cc40$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: This is what happened to that Jazzland SLC... Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:43:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Slimmage" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: This is what happened to that Jazzland SLC... > NEW ORLEANS - The Jazzland Theme Park has scuttled plans for an $8 > million roller coaster . > The roller coaster is "on hold," said Jazzland spokesman Patrick > Evans, who was unable to say when, or if, the attraction will appear. > > "We decided we needed to look at a few other things first that dealt > with guest comfort and experience," Evans said. > Earlier reports had said Jazzland owed $101,250 in fees, and Jazzland > disputed the figures. > The news of the suspended roller coaster comes as many small companies > that sell food, hardware, signs and toys to the park have said they > haven't been paid for last season's supplies. > > Other small subcontractors who helped build the park have been caught > in a dispute between Alfa Smart Parks, the company that owns the park; > Ogden Corp., the former owner; and Broadmoor, the division of Boh > Bros. Construction Co. that was the prime contractor on the project. > Another $183,093 is owed to 12 more minority- and women-owned Open > Access companies. Jazzland executives said they're not responsible for > those bills. I'm not "in the know" when it comes to all the details; but after reading the above article as a casual, outside observer, it sounds to me like Jazzland still has some serious problems ahead! --Jon From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Apr 04 22:17:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 05:17:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 47975 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 05:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 05:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 06:18:04 -0000 Received: from DRRGW933 (jvl-pm3-2-10.jvlnet.com [216.145.177.73]) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA23973 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:16:51 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Flashback Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal From: "Dave Rounds" A horse collar is just another name for the typical OTSR (Over the Shoulder Restraint). Dave >>Restraints: Horse Collar and Lap bar > >This is what Allen said about Flashback's restraints. What is the horse >collar? From sfrie673@webtv.net Wed Apr 04 22:25:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: SFRIE673@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 05:25:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 64113 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 05:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 05:25:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 06:26:53 -0000 Received: from storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.197]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 983352D54C for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id WAA22293; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:25:49 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAu7zDYgMUWKjE978s3QTPW/l2hMwCFHvugeHYVH1Z/L/9xxHNLiROY7Rv Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:25:49 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: RollerCoasterTalk: WILDFIRE! Message-ID: <13274-3ACC01DD-1828@storefull-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: SFRIE673@webtv.net (S FRIEZE) From: sfrie673@webtv.net Hey all, Just a note to let you know that today (Thursday) I'm making a quick trip down to SDC to try out Wildfire. So, in case anyone wants to know how it is, I will give a review to the group. Later, Sarah From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Apr 05 01:26:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 08:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 92493 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 08:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 08:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.30.146) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 09:27:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:19:09 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:19:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question on Rollbacks? Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:19:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 02:19:09.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC120EE0:01C0BD76] From: "Chris Kearsing" > When a roller coaster train stops or rolls back like on a hill or >something, how do they get it back to the station? Like if MF rolled back >somewhere on the island, how would they get the train back to the >station? First, they wait for it to stop rolling back and forth. Then, they take the train apart car by car and put the cars on a truck. They move the cars back to the transfer tracks and reassemble the train, and hope it never happens again! Vekoma Boomerangs have a cable winch at the top of Lift 2 should the train E-stop on the brakes between the vertical loop and the 2nd lift. If it valleys elsewhere (between the loop and boomerang), then they have to take the train apart. Not sure what happens when it valleys in the Boomerang. On some wooden coasters, I think they can get a crane out there and lift the train to the top of the closest hill and hope it makes it through the rest of the course. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From gocubs7@hotmail.com Thu Apr 05 04:49:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 11:49:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 40941 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 11:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 11:49:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.18) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 12:50:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 04:49:28 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.87 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:49:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.87] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question on Rollbacks? Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:49:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 11:49:28.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[7816D370:01C0BDC6] From: "Tim Schroll" Thanks alot Chris K., I was really wondering about that. Tim S. > > When a roller coaster train stops or rolls back like on a hill or > >something, how do they get it back to the station? Like if MF rolled >back > >somewhere on the island, how would they get the train back to the > >station? > >First, they wait for it to stop rolling back and forth. Then, they take >the >train apart car by car and put the cars on a truck. They move the cars >back >to the transfer tracks and reassemble the train, and hope it never happens >again! > >Vekoma Boomerangs have a cable winch at the top of Lift 2 should the train >E-stop on the brakes between the vertical loop and the 2nd lift. If it >valleys elsewhere (between the loop and boomerang), then they have to take >the train apart. Not sure what happens when it valleys in the Boomerang. > >On some wooden coasters, I think they can get a crane out there and lift >the >train to the top of the closest hill and hope it makes it through the rest >of the course. > >-Chris K- > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jrushi5@lsu.edu Thu Apr 05 07:37:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 14:37:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 47168 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 14:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 14:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.77.251) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 14:37:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: This is what happened to that Jazzland SLC... Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 04/05/2001 09:37:33 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" Yeah, The way jazzland has been has not satisfied me. Jazzland unfortunately is my home park. I live in baton rouge,la. and it is the closest to me. I really wish another chain of park would open up there instead of jazzland i feel they would have a greater selection of rides than jazzland does. From asandy@depauw.edu Thu Apr 05 07:44:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 14:44:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 83553 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 14:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 14:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 15:45:39 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K21BC8XOPC8Y7F4G@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:44:17 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K21BC8EYCI8Y7IYC@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:44:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:43:36 -0400 Subject: Re: NEWS: This is what happened to that Jazzland SLC... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000701c0bdd6$6a1fe4e0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: From: The Slimmage > Yeah, The way jazzland has been has not satisfied me. Jazzland > unfortunately is my home park. I live in baton rouge,la. and it is the > closest to me. I really wish another chain of park would open up there > instead of jazzland i feel they would have a greater selection of rides > than jazzland does. Jazzland is what, a year old now? I think the planners did a very nice job creating this park, using unique reginal themeing combined with a nice ride variety to open a park in an economy where the last major park closed only 16 (or so) years ago. Give the park time and support it, as it will not grow if you simply continue to say how it should be better and stay at home. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Apr 05 10:31:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 17:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 31549 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 17:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 17:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.133) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 17:30:54 -0000 Received: (cpmta 551 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 10:30:53 -0700 Date: 5 Apr 2001 10:30:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20010405173053.549.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Apr 2001 17:30:53 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 05 Apr 2001 10:30:53 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question on Flashback? From: jay@karenandjay.com > Was this ride designed back when B&M worked for Intamin?< Yes. It was an early experiment in creating severly twisted track with a tesselated spine. You might say this is where B&M "cut their teeth." It was (and still is) a pretty radical coaster concept. The four-abreast seating was unusual when it was built, but of course has become one of B&M's trademarks. I haven't had a chance to ride it, but from what I hear it isn't aging too well. Either that or it's poorly maintained. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Apr 05 10:38:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 17:38:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 17421 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 17:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 17:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.133) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 18:39:15 -0000 Received: (cpmta 2428 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 10:38:11 -0700 Date: 5 Apr 2001 10:38:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20010405173810.2427.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Apr 2001 17:38:10 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 05 Apr 2001 10:38:10 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: Fwd: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Question on Flashback? From: jay@karenandjay.com > the relationship Intamin/B&M/Gio < The understanding I've had is that Intamin is the coordinating company responsible for delivery of a particular ride. They then can sub-contract out with other firms who handle different aspects. B&M would do the design work (much the same as Werner Stengel does) and engineering. Giovanola would fabricate the steel parts to B&M's specifications. Intamin would get credit. And yes, S:TE has been credited to Intamin. It appears the world of coaster design is not so cut-and-dry; there are many players who work together to create the rides we love. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Apr 05 10:41:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 17:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 60746 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 17:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 17:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 17:41:43 -0000 Received: (cpmta 14382 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 10:41:41 -0700 Date: 5 Apr 2001 10:41:41 -0700 Message-ID: <20010405174141.14380.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Apr 2001 17:41:41 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 05 Apr 2001 10:41:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane From: jay@karenandjay.com > So are they both Rock-O-Planes, or is someone making a mistake of some sort. > I'm totally confused- well not totally, but you get the idea.< Wow! I've never seen the Rock-O-Plane you found! It looks like a mini SkyDiver with a different spin orientation. Adam is correct in that the name of the ride I described is more commonly "Fly-O-Plane," but I have seen it called "Rock-O-Plane" too. I mean, think of how many "Cyclone" rides there have been! Jay From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Apr 05 14:44:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 21:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 83384 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 21:44:00 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id QAA116180008 Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:45:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACCE7FC.F0473B9E@gte.net> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:47:40 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question on Flashback? References: <20010405173053.549.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash jay@karenandjay.com wrote: > > Was this ride designed back when B&M worked for Intamin?< > > Yes. It was an early experiment in creating severly twisted track with a tesselated spine. You might say this is where B&M "cut their teeth." It was (and still is) a pretty radical coaster concept. The four-abreast seating was unusual when it was built, but of course has become one of B&M's trademarks. I haven't had a chance to ride it, but from what I hear it isn't aging too well. Either that or it's poorly maintained. > Actually Jay, I would almost have to disagree on the aging and maintainance in this case and say what some find hard to believe: Flashback was/is a badly flawed coaster that from all sources I've heard has bashed and banged in a bad way since it was built. The cars and restraint system do not help at all. The ride might be salvagable if there were no OTSR's and a lot of soft padding near the head for the smashing that it does around every turn and dive. In short, this ride hurts. And it always has. Sadly, one of the first examples of B&M's style was a failed experiment. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Apr 05 14:46:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 21:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 91846 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 21:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 21:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop2pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.21) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 21:46:44 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id QAA121907765 Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:48:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACCE8A1.3F76EC67@gte.net> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:50:25 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane References: <20010405174141.14380.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash jay@karenandjay.com wrote: > > So are they both Rock-O-Planes, or is someone making a mistake of some sort. > > I'm totally confused- well not totally, but you get the idea.< > > Wow! I've never seen the Rock-O-Plane you found! It looks like a mini SkyDiver with a different spin orientation. Adam is correct in that the name of the ride I described is more commonly "Fly-O-Plane," but I have seen it called "Rock-O-Plane" too. I mean, think of how many "Cyclone" rides there have been! You've never seen the ferris-wheel type Rock-O-Plane? Seems like for quite a while they were all over the place in California, and I couldn't got to many fairs or carnivals without seeing them. I know that Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk still has theirs operating, and at least one of the traveling carnivals that hits So. Cal has one. Watch the carnival and fair circuit and I'm sure that you'll see one or two pop up. Keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From STINO999@aol.com Thu Apr 05 15:03:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 22:03:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 35371 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 22:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 22:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 22:03:58 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.15.1236fd4a (17231) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15.1236fd4a.27fe45a8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:03:20 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question on Rollbacks? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>If it > valleys elsewhere (between the loop and boomerang), then they have to take > the train apart. Not sure what happens when it valleys in the Boomerang.<< > > They get a crain and take the people off. I witnessed it but I dont know > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m3000@tampabay.rr.com Thu Apr 05 15:26:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m3000@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 22:26:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 86679 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 22:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.68) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 22:26:08 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (2416427hfc14.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.27.14]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f35MQ6S29288 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:26:06 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Riddler's Revenge Music Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:27:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <00e501c0bd6e$d9dc0060$32692304@sam> In-Reply-To: <00e501c0bd6e$d9dc0060$32692304@sam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040518270900.01476@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Anthony I'd been wondering what that song was for the longest time. I even bothered to send a letter to SFMM asking them about it, but they never replied back to me. I just remember from my trip to SFMM this past summer that I loved the music they were playing. Anyways, someone on this list said what it was Sasha's Ecuador a few months ago, so I've had the song for a while now. However the song you linked to is quite a bit different than the one I downloaded off Napster. I guess it's one of those instances where there are multiple remixes floating around. And this one is closer to the song I remember hearing, so thanks for the link! > For those of you who have been on Riddlers Revenge, you have probably heard > the cool techno music that they play in the queue. I just wanted to let > everyone know that I (actually my brother) found it. I posted it in my web > space. If anyone wants it, here is a link > http://home.earthlink.net/~coastertalk/Riddler.mp3 -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit. From IOASpiderman@aol.com Thu Apr 05 18:25:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 01:25:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 86731 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 01:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 01:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 01:25:45 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.f7.8cdc680 (26118) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:25:38 EDT Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com Hey... all this talk about carnival rides has got me wonderin what are the best carnival rides out there... here are the ones i like the best. 1. The Zipper 2. Roll-o-plane 3. Loop-o-plane... a.k.a. The Hammer 4. Gravitron (The thing that looks like a UFO... not the RCT one) 5. Paratrooper Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From crontman@aol.com Thu Apr 05 18:33:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Crontman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 01:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6906 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 01:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 01:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r18.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 01:33:24 -0000 Received: from Crontman@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.48.13ed0cac (3972) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48.13ed0cac.27fe76d5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:33:09 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Batman: The Escape To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: crontman@aol.com << On a similar note, footers for "Sarajevo Bobsled" still remain on the Scream Machine site >> I didn't know there were remains of the Sarajevo Bobsled near the GASM. I never noticed anything. Are they near the queue or something like that? I'll try to look for it the next time I go. From STINO999@aol.com Thu Apr 05 18:51:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 01:51:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 45122 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.6c.93e81db (17231) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6c.93e81db.27fe7b0a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:51:06 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: STINO999@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can add one. At one carnival there is a ride that looks like a hang glider and its very exciting. Has anyone else ridden this ride. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Apr 05 19:36:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 02:36:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 47726 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.63.14369333 (15891) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:36:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:36:37 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <63.14369333.27fe85b5@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com <> I was just one one of those last night!...that and...well...a ZIPPER!!!! yes!! the zipper!! oh , my what a wonderful time! the new zipper's seem to be more violent than the old ones! later, Josh From cameronbw@aol.com Thu Apr 05 19:43:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 02:43:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 51239 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 02:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 02:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 02:43:42 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.d3.12f25dc3 (17535) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:43:30 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com In a message dated 4/5/01 8:03:51 PM Canada Central Standard Time, STINO999@aol.com writes: << I can add one. At one carnival there is a ride that looks like a hang glider and its very exciting. Has anyone else ridden this ride. >> I've ridden one of these, it was very blah IMHO. One of the BEST flat rides ever was at the Minnesota State Fair (They have the BEST EVER collection of rides from their contractor. The fair officials hand pick them!) it was called the Twister. You sat in a rectangular car with 8 seats on each skinny end (16 total per car). There were 4 cars, they were divided into two sets of two. Each pair was on a much longer rectangle than the cars. Then finally these two rectangle platform were on A HUGE rectangle platform. The cars had S&S type OTSR's (you know the ones that don't come near your shoulders bat support a lap bar. Then the big platform spins one direction and the smaller ones spun in the opposite direction and the passenger cabins spun in the same direction as the large platform. All this happens VERY VERY fast and is SUPER INTENSE I almost grayed out! This is an awesome ride. Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks talk with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From cameronbw@aol.com Thu Apr 05 20:06:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 03:06:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 83879 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 03:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 03:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 03:06:27 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.ca.1345224b (17535) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:06:23 EDT Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] I'm going to SFKK, SFA, BGW, AND PKD!!! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 From: cameronbw@aol.com Hey guys in a few hours (well about 12) it will be T-24 Hours till my dad and I kick off Spring Into Coasters 2001. We are going to SFKK, SFA, BGW, AND PKD. I CAN'T WAIT!!! 29 coasters. This will bring my coaster count to 88, this is in about a period of 1.5 years too!!! If anyone has any tips for this trip please share them with me, thanx in advance. I f you want to hook up at one of the stops heres are itinerary. Sunday:SFKK, TUESDAY:BGW, WENSDAY:PKD, SATURDAY: SFA, (I know that it is going to be swamped at SFA first Saturday of the season). If your wondering if I know my days I do, were just going to do non-coaster stuff the other day. Also please E-mail me PRIVATELY if you can meet us at any one of our stops. Thanks In Advance, Cameron Willis Wanna talk coaster parks talk with us at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPTalk From IOASpiderman@aol.com Thu Apr 05 20:09:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 03:09:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 10055 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 04:10:52 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.85.94222be (4589) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85.94222be.27fe8d67@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:09:27 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com << I can add one. At one carnival there is a ride that looks like a hang glider and its very exciting. Has anyone else ridden this ride. >> Is this the Huss fly away? When did you see it... I think the Fly-away came out last year or the year before that. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From coastertalk@earthlink.net Thu Apr 05 20:16:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastertalk@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 03:16:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 7950 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 03:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 03:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 03:16:27 -0000 Received: from sam (evrtwa1-ar5-105-053.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.35.105.53]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00992 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101c0be48$46356100$35692304@sam> To: References: <20010405174141.14380.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> <3ACCE8A1.3F76EC67@gte.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:18:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Sam Kislevitz" > > Wow! I've never seen the Rock-O-Plane you found! It looks like a mini SkyDiver with a different spin orientation. Adam is correct in that the name of the ride I described is more commonly "Fly-O-Plane," but I have seen it called "Rock-O-Plane" too. I mean, think of how many "Cyclone" rides there have been! Yeah, we have one of these same Rock-O-Plane rides here in Portland, OR (At Oaks Park). They actually call it the Rock-O-Plane also. It is actually one of my favorite looping flat rides. I think the ride experience is much akin to the "Zipper". -Sam Kislevitz- Who finally dumped his AOL mail account SammyBK@earthlink.net http://members.nbci.com/SammyBK/ ----- Original Message ----- From: George Burnash To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Roll-o-plane > jay@karenandjay.com wrote: > > > > So are they both Rock-O-Planes, or is someone making a mistake of some sort. > > > I'm totally confused- well not totally, but you get the idea.< > > > > Wow! I've never seen the Rock-O-Plane you found! It looks like a mini SkyDiver with a different spin orientation. Adam is correct in that the name of the ride I described is more commonly "Fly-O-Plane," but I have seen it called "Rock-O-Plane" too. I mean, think of how many "Cyclone" rides there have been! > > You've never seen the ferris-wheel type Rock-O-Plane? Seems like for quite a while they were all over the place in California, and I couldn't got to many fairs or carnivals without seeing them. I know that Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk still has theirs operating, and at least one of the traveling carnivals that > hits So. Cal has one. Watch the carnival and fair circuit and I'm sure that you'll see one or two pop up. > > Keep on ridin' > George > __________________________________________________________ > We're leaving the country!! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From sfrie673@webtv.net Thu Apr 05 20:49:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: SFRIE673@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 03:49:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 77973 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 03:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 03:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net) (209.240.198.118) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 03:49:04 -0000 Received: from storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.198]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 271282C2FB for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA15502; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:49:03 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ/r/JCvY70qmFtF4XnjJ1quhRWNQIUL6hfofXf5W4NnNCFDlFqwqPb3Pk= Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:49:03 -0500 (CDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: (RollerCoasterTalk)WILDFIRE! Message-ID: <8346-3ACD3CAF-797@storefull-118.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) X-eGroups-From: SFRIE673@webtv.net (S FRIEZE) From: sfrie673@webtv.net Hello everyone! I just got back from Silver Dollar City this evening and I rode Wildfire at least 6 or 7 times. I can only think of one word to describe it: FANTASTIC!!!!! The first time I rode it I sat in the fifth row, then I worked my way to the back. In case some of you don't know, it was designed by B & M, so therefore it was fast, smooth and very intense. It starts with an Immelman, then a full loop, a cobra roll (smile for the camera!) and a spiral to finish. The seats are designed so that your feet do not touch the floor, sort of like an inverted or a floorless coaster. I rode in the front once and even though it wasn't as fast as it is in the back, your butt starts to come up off the seat at the top of the first inversion. The very back is the best in my opinion, especially because you're floating all the way down the first drop! As far as the que is concerned, the building the que is in is fairly large, but it didn't look to me like they've placed enough stuff in there to make it look like a loopy scientist's laboratory, but I know that will change over time. The line is set up so that if you want to ride in the very back or in the very front you can go straight to it, but if you want to ride anywhere else you have to walk straight ahead and then find the line you want (I'm not sure how to explain it better). It is definitely a roller coaster you shouldn't miss if you ever come to Branson, Missouri. Later, Sarah From serpmage@juno.com Fri Apr 06 08:01:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 15:01:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 64896 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 15:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 15:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 16:02:03 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAKbC6lV4eXF4GUm79L4A+bV0sVLi1dNRnA=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F2CQSYW3; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:00:32 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:00:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Question on Rollbacks? Message-ID: <20010406.110015.267.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,21-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." > When a roller coaster train stops or rolls back like on a hill > or > something, how do they get it back to the station? Like if MF > rolled back > somewhere on the island, how would they get the train back to the > station? When we were running Kraken over New Years, and the trains were just barely making it over the large vertical loop we were wondering the same thing, and asked the mainence guys what would happen. If a coaster were to stall out somewhere midcourse, or valley out, as many people call it, there are really only three things you can do. The first and less likely to happen is to get a crane to come in and pull the train the rest of the way through the course like they do on the first rolling test of all coasters. Obviously this is a pain in the neck and takes a long time to do. Another option, depending on where the train stopped, is to fix the problem (what ever caused the train to stop) and pull the train back to a point that it could be released and would make it all the way through, like a big hill or a block brake. The final and much more feasible option that most parks plan on doing, although it would take forever, is to completely disassemble the train piece by piece and put it back together in the coaster house. Tim the Poor Engineering Student --------------------- I meant what I said, And I said what I meant, An elephant's faithful, One hundred percent. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From jrushi5@lsu.edu Fri Apr 06 08:07:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 15:07:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 92347 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 15:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 15:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.77.251) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 16:08:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 04/06/2001 10:07:46 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" 5. Paratrooper I really dont know why but every time i get on the paratrooper i get sick. I can ride any coaster or any other thrill ride in the world but when i go to my parish's fair and ride the paratrooper it makes me sick. It is a pretty gentle ride too. Does anyone know why it does that too me? I have always wondered why. From asandy@depauw.edu Fri Apr 06 08:31:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 15:31:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 53794 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 15:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 15:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 16:32:27 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K22R4H22008WZ2GB@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:27:25 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K22R0UFCXO8WYY2J@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:23:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:23:45 -0400 Subject: NEWS: Coney Island loses another long-time survivor to...progress? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <002501c0bea5$3080c2c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: The Slimmage A story about a great man that definitley brought a tear to my eye. Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** "Pulling Coney Island's Sweet Tooth" NYTimes By NICHOLE M. CHRISTIAN In the days when Coney Island was a summertime playground for millions of American families, Philip's, a little red- and-white candy stand on Surf Avenue, was impossible to bypass. It was the first thing visitors saw as they left the Stillwell Avenue subway terminal, and it was as much a part of the Coney Island experience as a whirl on the Cyclone or a stroll down the Boardwalk. The hot candied apples, the clouds of cotton candy, the bananas gooey with chocolate coating. All Old World recipes, all handmade. Sugar, butter, milk. Heaven. Philip's Candy has been turning out sticky delights for 70 years. John Dorman has been its owner, its confectionery chemist, its hands and heart, for 54 of them. He was there in the halcyon days, when a jaunt to Coney Island was as much a slice of Americana as going to the ballpark. And he was there for the bad times, too, when the amusement parks closed and the neighborhood became a cliché for urban decay. But on Easter Sunday, the day Coney Island's season opens, a day many candy lovers live for, Mr. Dorman, 71, will be there for the last time. New York City Transit is embarking on a five-year, $220 million overhaul of the rusted terminal, and Philip's Candy, its lone commercial tenant, will have to be torn down. Mr. Dorman says he is not bitter, but he cannot help feeling sad, especially from a perch where he can hear and see signs of Coney Island's long-awaited resurrection. A few feet away is the ballpark where this summer a farm team of the Mets, the Brooklyn Cyclones, will bring professional baseball back to Brooklyn for the first time in 44 years. There is constant hammering and drilling at the terminal's Surf Avenue entrance. Workers are boarding up everything except his stand. "It's like listening to somebody put nails in your coffin," said Mr. Dorman, who was 17 when he first started mopping floors, spinning sugar and wrapping taffy. "How can I hold up something that's going to make Coney Island good again? We had our good times. It would be unfair for me to make a big noise." Mr. Dorman has asked his customers to let him go quietly, and talks about perhaps opening a new shop somewhere else in Brooklyn. But devotees of Philip's can't hide their disappointment. They are people like Marie Biuso of Bensonhurst, who several times a week cajoles friends with cars into helping her satisfy a craving for frozen bananas, cotton candy and chocolate-covered strawberries. And Richard Behrman, who drives a bus for New York City Transit and has stopped at the stand every day for the last 14 years, devoted to Mr. Dorman's chocolate-covered pretzels and the friendly faces behind the window. And James Woolridge, 11, who lives 20 blocks away, on the edge of Coney Island, and catches a livery cab three times a week to press his face against the window, survey bags of pink popcorn, chocolate bars, 10- pound rainbow lollipops and jelly- coated apples, his favorite. For Dan Pisark, a Coney Island native who grew up feasting on chocolate malteds and feeding Philip's peanuts to the sea gulls, the loss is painful. "It breaks your heart that such a genuine piece of Coney Island, a real throwback, is just being swept away," said Mr. Pisark, 49. Like many of the stand's loyalists, Mr. Pisark says the candy shop is no ordinary business. "It's not just nostalgia; it's a viable shop with products you don't find today." Now a diabetic, Mr. Pisark visits the stand just to chat with Mr. Dorman or to buy candy for his daughter. For her 16th birthday party, he bought 40 boxes of chocolate cashew clusters. Since 1931, Philip's has been Coney Island's unofficial welcome center, its candy-cane-colored signs and sweet aromas beckoning visitors and residents alike. "When they get here, they buy a hot dog at Nathan's and dessert from Philip's," said Mr. Dorman's partner, Peggy Cohn, 54, who started out bagging saltwater taffy for him when she was 15. On a strip where many stores sit empty or closed till summer, Philip's is a rare bright spot, the place where candy that can take hours to make still sells for less than a dollar, and where the counter is open year-round, from 11 a.m. to 3 a.m. Both Ms. Cohn and Mr. Dorman say they are lucky to have been in business as long they have. And even luckier that they were able to run the business like they learned it, the old- fashioned way. Long hours, without the aid of fancy machines, not even an electronic cash register. When they are not chatting up customers, they huddle in the back cooking cashews, spinning cotton candy and preparing the beloved jelly apples, tossing a few at a time into copper kettles, where they are bathed in hot red jelly or rich chocolate. That he is still making such recipes is amazing to Mr. Dorman, a native of Staten Island. "It was just supposed to be a summer job," he said. "It turned into a whole lifetime." In 1956, he bought the store from its original owner, Philip Calermaris. There he met his wife, Audrey, who worked the counter at a 15- cent milk stand behind the candy shop. It was Audrey, he said, who helped perfect the recipes, since he never liked the taste of candy, preferring a good piece of Italian bread. They married, moved into an apartment across the street from the Steeplechase and had three children, all of whom worked at the stand, making change, washing pots and eventually cooking candy. Mrs. Dorman died eight years ago. On a tour of Surf Avenue recently, Mr. Dorman recalled Coney Island's heyday, much of which he witnessed from the window at Philip's. He was around when it was still safe to walk the Boardwalk in the hours before dawn, days when the beach was so packed with people you could hardly see the sand. He also remembers what he calls the hot dog wars, the days in the 50's and 60's when small- time hot dog shops tried to outdo Nathan's Famous. "People waited in line in the streets," he said. Back then, "all of America came here to play." Philip's has outlived all of its neighbors at the subway terminal. Mr. Dorman said New York City Transit's plans to renovate the station were no secret. They had been talked about for years, but the work never seemed to materialize. "They could have asked me to leave years ago when everyone else did," he said. There is talk that when the new terminal opens in 2005, Philip's will be among the first commercial tenants considered. "I don't believe the transit authority is out to hurt Philip's," said Mr. Dorman's son John Philip, who was named after the stand's founder and is general manager of the University Club in Manhattan. "They've said they will do what they can for us." Lisa Schwartz, a transit spokeswoman, said, "We're working with him to make his transition as smooth as possible as he closes his business." Still, to some customers, the city picked the worst possible time. "He put up with the T.A. letting that station go to pieces for years," said Charles Denson, who lives in San Francisco but grew up in Coney Island, eating chocolate jelly bars from Philip's. "But now that baseball is coming to Coney Island, the T.A. has decided there is money to be made, so he's being kicked out. Nobody deserves to be part of there more than Philip's." People get passionate about Philip's. Now they come to its window (they never enter, it's too small), order their goodies and openly mourn. "It's like being in a funeral parlor, the way they come up crying and offering to make a fuss for us," Mr. Dorman said, as one of his faithful customers patted him on the back. "It hurts to see that; the people here have been good to me. Never had a bad day." The stand, which has no security system, has never been robbed or vandalized. When it closes next week, Philip's will be just another vanished piece of Coney Island history, like the long- gone Steeplechase Park, Dreamland and the Thunderbolt. And now that the window where Mr. Dorman watched it all is about to be destroyed, he said he has no regrets. In fact, Mr. Dorman said he was eager to see if the new terminal, along with the ballpark, accomplishes what he dreamed about for decades - making Coney Island a destination again. "In a few short years, this whole place is going to be better," he said. "It may be a little tougher for the little guy, but there will be people coming here. I hope I'm here to see it, but if not, I'll be somewhere making candy." From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Apr 06 09:16:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 16:16:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 53986 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 16:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 16:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 16:16:05 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id LAA138489189 Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:11:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACDECA3.6A42BEA0@gte.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:19:47 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Coney Island loses another long-time survivor to...progress? References: <002501c0bea5$3080c2c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Thanks for the story Adam. After reading it, it also makes me wonder why they haven't planned a spot for this business near the entrance to the ballpark, or some other specific spot earmarked for it. I'm hoping that they can do something to preserve it and help to pass it along to the next generation that might get to enjoy a "revived" Coney. Keep on ridin' George The Slimmage wrote: > A story about a great man that definitley brought a tear to my eye. > Adam > > But on Easter Sunday, the day Coney Island's season opens, a day many candy > lovers live for, Mr. Dorman, 71, will be there for the last time. New York > City Transit is embarking on a five-year, $220 million overhaul of the > rusted terminal, and Philip's Candy, its lone commercial tenant, will have > to be torn down. > __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! Find out why at our website: http://www.geocities.com/gburnash And tell me I sent you. Fight spam now! Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 10:21:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 17:21:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18664 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 17:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 17:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10908.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 17:21:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010406172122.56280.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.100.111] by web10908.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:21:22 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: z-force To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <986552075.476.37368.l10@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral I remember riding the Z-force (flashback) in it's first year of opperation at SFGA and yes, I remember not liking it too much because there was an excessive amount of headbanging. I cannot remember the year it came out, but I was pretty young, probably in Jr high or early H.S. and for someone that young to complain about roughness... I have been to SFMM twice in the past 2 years (and hope to go again this summer for X) and both times flashback has been closed. Not that I really wanted to ride it, but I would for old time's sake. I doubt it could be as painfull or as big of a POS as Magnum. quack quack -Brian F. (who loves to be the instigator) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Apr 06 11:06:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 18:06:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 51316 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 18:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 18:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 18:06:52 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.70.95708b1 (15700) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:06:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:06:48 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] z-force To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <70.95708b1.27ff5fb8@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com <<. I doubt it could be as painfull or as big of a POS as Magnum. >> WO-HOOOOO!!! yay!! Nate, Chris!! we have another one!!! we SHALL convert you all!!! Josh From sammib1898@aol.com Fri Apr 06 11:54:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sammib1898@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 18:54:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 65398 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 18:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 18:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 18:54:42 -0000 Received: from Sammib1898@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.cd.4b90ddc (3866) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:54:21 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 From: sammib1898@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<<<1. The Zipper 2. Roll-o-plane 3. Loop-o-plane... a.k.a. The Hammer 4. Gravitron (The thing that looks like a UFO... not the RCT one) 5. Paratrooper>>>> If you see a Mondial Top Scan at a carnival (theres one going in at one of the paramount parks) u should ride it. As this ride rocks! (having been on one today) sam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sammib1898@aol.com Fri Apr 06 12:11:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sammib1898@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 19:11:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 96493 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 19:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 19:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:12:59 -0000 Received: from Sammib1898@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.c.13ba6a97 (3866) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:11:38 EDT Subject: Vekoma making suspended trains? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 From: sammib1898@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Vampire at Chessington World of Adventures is closed this season (1990 Arrow Suspended ) and is being re-vamped by Vekoma. The Park map says "Vampire will not be open in 2001 as we are extensivley redeveloping the attraction to give you an incrediablenew ride experience from spring 2002". I am not entriely sure what this means(possibly modifying the track layout), apart from obvious things like brakes, the Vampire is getting new trains. As it is being re-vamped by Vekoma does this mean that Vekoma are making the new trains, or are Arrow doing them? sam (i was told about the trains in a seminar (talk) by an educational paerson, as this was a school trip). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gocubs7@hotmail.com Fri Apr 06 12:17:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 19:17:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 21849 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 19:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 19:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.46) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:18:35 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:17:31 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.46 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:17:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.46] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] z-force Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:17:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 19:17:31.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[39E4CBD0:01C0BECE] From: "Tim Schroll" I doubt >it could be as painfull or as big of a POS as Magnum. Ok, that was uncalled for. Maggie is a great ride. Who cares if it not as smooth as a feather or is not as great as you would like, Magnum is one the best out there. Tim S.(who likes Magnum!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Apr 06 12:23:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 19:23:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 37797 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 19:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 19:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.81.138.171) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 19:23:46 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22174 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:23:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200104061923.OAA22174@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] z-force To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:23:45 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "Tim Schroll" at Apr 06, 2001 02:17:30 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver > I doubt > >it could be as painfull or as big of a POS as Magnum. > > > Ok, that was uncalled for. Maggie is a great ride. Who cares if it not as > smooth as a feather or is not as great as you would like, Magnum is one the > best out there. I would take Magnum of Raging Bull anyday. RB is down right boring, with no interesting forces at all. It's more like a slow drive through the country in a minivan, and a Bull terrorising .. well, anything! I think my vote would have to be Magnum of SFDL Superman too (sorry). But the setting, ride and spirit of Magnum is almost impossible to beat. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sometimes a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** parrot talks! * / //\ ***************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Apr 06 12:33:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@gte.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 19:33:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 50676 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 19:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 19:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:34:53 -0000 Received: from gte.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id OAA142027063 Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:29:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3ACE1AFC.B410DEF4@gte.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:37:32 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] z-force References: <20010406172122.56280.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash brian farral wrote: > I remember riding the Z-force (flashback) in it's > first year of opperation at SFGA and yes, I remember > not liking it too much because there was an excessive > amount of headbanging. ... I doubt > it could be as painfull or as big of a POS as Magnum. > I can't speak about Magnum (sure wish I could though!), but I can tell you that it is incredibly hard for me to imagine a ride as painful, or as big a pile, as Flashback, with maybe one exception being Psyclone, which I put on about the same level. Unless their retrofit actually did something for Psyclone this year, since it didn't last year when it seemed like the did about the same thing. Flashback stinks and should have been torn down the day after it was put up. I'll give them the one day for experimenting and realizing that it was a failure. But it never should have been left up as long as it has to cause so many cases of whiplash, headaches, bruises, etc.... Keep on ridin' (unless you're on Flashback or Psyclone. in their case, get off already!) George __________________________________________________________ We're leaving the country!! 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Get your free anti-spam service at http://www.brightmail.com From PatCookY2K@juno.com Fri Apr 06 12:33:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: patcooky2k@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 19:33:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 65179 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 19:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 19:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m27.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.90) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 19:33:50 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ZNburrZH6QUt59vfJlG0iSi3l5Gh47kwcH5bWoZtoUV+v5XVXr+fcA=="> Received: (from patcooky2k@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F2C8EW6Q; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:33:34 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:26:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides Message-ID: <20010406.153233.-3736493.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,8-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: PatCookY2K@juno.com I can add another 2. The York Fair has two great rides. The ring of fire, which is just a loop. You keep going around in one direction, then they stop at the top and start backwards. The rotation numbers change with each ride, so I can't tell you how many times each way you go. Flippin out is another awesome ride. In the last few years, I've seen this ride in a few amusement parks. Six Flags America calls theirs Iron Eagle. Also, Six Flags Great Adventure built one and opened it last year. I'm not sure what they called it. The name escapes me right now. Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From IOASpiderman@aol.com Fri Apr 06 12:54:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 19:54:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 19461 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 19:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 19:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:55:57 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.9d.13b27083 (4559) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d.13b27083.27ff7904@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:54:44 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com << Flippin out is another awesome ride. In the last few years, I've seen this ride in a few amusement parks. Six Flags America calls theirs Iron Eagle. Also, Six Flags Great Adventure built one and opened it last year. I'm not sure what they called it. The name escapes me right now. >> Do you remember where they put it? If it is the one near the entrance to the boardwalk, the yellow one, than it is called jumpin' jack flash I think. But if it is the one near the great american scream machine, and is brown, it is twister. But I am not sure what the flippin out is, so these are just guesses... Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 12:57:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 19:57:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 8517 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 19:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 19:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.30) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:58:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010406195739.12764.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4905.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:57:39 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010406.153233.-3736493.0.PatCookY2K@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- PatCookY2K@juno.com wrote: > Flippin out is another awesome ride. In the last few > years, I've seen > this ride in a few amusement parks. Six Flags > America calls theirs Iron > Eagle. Also, Six Flags Great Adventure built one and > opened it last year. > I'm not sure what they called it. The name escapes > me right now. Yeah the generic name for the ride at SFA is "roto-shake". There is also one at Mall of America (Mighty Axe). Since we have been working so hard on identifing carnie rides, maybe you all can help me with the name of one. I thought it was one of the imfamous "O-Plane" rides, but I might be mistaken. Anyway, here's my attempt to describe it: Imagine a Huss enterprise in the full upright position (This right is always upright). Now replace the "inline seating" car with a two person "side-by-side" car (still facing in the direction of rotation. Finally, imagine that the car can do a "barrel roll". Furthermore, the "barrel roll" is rider controled by a steering wheel inside the car. The car can roll either right or left as well. If anyone could make sense out of that and knows what its generic name is, I would appreciate it. BTW: it was a really fun ride, not scary or nausiating, just funny! (or maybe it was just the company I had =]) lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From asandy@depauw.edu Fri Apr 06 13:06:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 20:06:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 41849 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 20:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:06:42 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K230V8AYBK8WYG4H@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:05:58 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K230V761MI8Y7OP1@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:05:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:05:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000901c0becc$8bedd7c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20010406195739.12764.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> From: The Slimmage > Imagine a Huss enterprise in the full upright position > (This right is always upright). Now replace the > "inline seating" car with a two person "side-by-side" > car (still facing in the direction of rotation. > Finally, imagine that the car can do a "barrel roll". > Furthermore, the "barrel roll" is rider controled by a > steering wheel inside the car. The car can roll > either right or left as well. My guess would be a Chance Skydiver, check out this pic and tell me if it looks correct: http://www.joyrides.com/lakemont/full/skydiver.htm Adam *************** Adam Sandy "Aber die Nächte hindurch halt Amor mich anders beschäftigt, Werd' ich auch halb nur gelehrt, bin ich doppelt vergnügt." Goethe, Roman Eulogy 5 Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com *************** From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 13:12:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 20:12:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 60146 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 20:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 20:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:12:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010406201247.8806.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4902.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:12:47 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20010406195739.12764.qmail@web4905.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Jeremy Norris wrote: > Since we have been working so hard on identifing > carnie rides, maybe you all can help me with the > name > of one. I thought it was one of the imfamous > "O-Plane" rides, but I might be mistaken. Anyway, > here's my attempt to describe it: > > Imagine a Huss enterprise in the full upright > position > (This right is always upright). Now replace the > "inline seating" car with a two person > "side-by-side" > car (still facing in the direction of rotation. > Finally, imagine that the car can do a "barrel > roll". > Furthermore, the "barrel roll" is rider controled by > a > steering wheel inside the car. The car can roll > either right or left as well. > > If anyone could make sense out of that and knows > what > its generic name is, I would appreciate it. BTW: it > was a really fun ride, not scary or nausiating, just > funny! (or maybe it was just the company I had =]) > lata, > jeremy > Umm, y'all can ignore this now. I just (by sheer luck) came across the ride I was talking about. It's called a skydiver (http://themeparks.about.com/travel/themeparks/library/rides/blpgcar_FWskydv1.htm) Who knew? Thanks anyway y'all. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From coasterdude18@juno.com Fri Apr 06 13:13:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 20:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 61390 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 20:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 20:13:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:13:21 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V92Cx/HWGecNw/jU63ojacdbCn6/fT0UUA=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id F2DANZ9K; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:12:56 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:10:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides Message-ID: <20010406.151053.-293807.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-17,25-28 From: "Nate K." > > Flippin out is another awesome ride. > Yeah the generic name for the ride at SFA is > "roto-shake". There is also one at Mall of America > (Mighty Axe). Ugh! This ride is downright *horrible*! It's painfully slow (literally painful) and just boring. What do you like about it? > Imagine a Huss enterprise in the full upright position > (This right is always upright). Now replace the > "inline seating" car with a two person "side-by-side" > car (still facing in the direction of rotation. > Finally, imagine that the car can do a "barrel roll". > Furthermore, the "barrel roll" is rider controled by a > steering wheel inside the car. The car can roll > either right or left as well. The generic name is Sky Diver (at least, I'm pretty sure that's the ride you were describing). I don't know who the manufacturer is, but there is a picture at http://themeparks.about.com/travel/themeparks/library/rides/blpgcar_FWsky dv1.htm (with a Ring of Fire in the background) and a closer shot at http://themeparks.about.com/travel/themeparks/library/rides/blpgcar_FWsky dv2.htm . I rode one many years ago and really don't remember much of it. -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 13:15:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 20:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 67011 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 20:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 20:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4901.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.26) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 20:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010406201542.21223.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.4] by web4901.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:15:42 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000901c0becc$8bedd7c0$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- The Slimmage wrote: > My guess would be a Chance Skydiver, check out this > pic and tell me if it > looks correct: > http://www.joyrides.com/lakemont/full/skydiver.htm Adam, how is it that you are always on point? How I absolutley *have* to get to SRM. As if Raven and Legend weren't enough, how could I pass up a chance to meet the man, the myth the legend that is Daddy Fat Sacks aka Your Olymic Hero bka The Slimmage =]. Thanks G, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Apr 06 14:51:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 21:51:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 95699 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 21:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 21:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 21:51:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:51:40 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:51:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Batman: The Escape Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:51:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 21:51:40.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2F391D0:01C0BEE3] From: "Chris Kearsing" > I didn't know there were remains of the Sarajevo Bobsled near the >GASM. I >never noticed anything. Are they near the queue or something like that? >I'll >try to look for it the next time I go. You might be able to see the footers from the queue line, if you look to your right while in the part before you turn to get into the station. I saw them on a backstage tour, and I can't remember if you can see them from the queue. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Apr 06 14:53:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 21:53:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 97588 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 21:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 21:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.116) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 21:52:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:52:58 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:52:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] z-force Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:52:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 21:52:58.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1C8DBA0:01C0BEE3] From: "Chris Kearsing" >Ok, that was uncalled for. Maggie is a great ride. Who cares if it not as >smooth as a feather or is not as great as you would like, Magnum is one the >best out there. ...if you've only ridden 10 coasters, maybe. Once people ride properly engineered rides, they appreciate what a POS Magnum really is. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Apr 06 14:53:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 21:53:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 95719 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 21:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 21:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.30.187) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 22:54:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:53:40 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:53:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] z-force Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:53:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 21:53:40.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A3EC280:01C0BEE4] From: "Chris Kearsing" >I think my vote would have to be Magnum of SFDL Superman too (sorry). But >the setting, ride and spirit of Magnum is almost impossible to beat. _/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_ -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Apr 06 14:55:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 21:55:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 98760 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 21:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 21:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.55) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 22:56:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:54:59 -0700 Received: from 24.49.133.2 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:54:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.49.133.2] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] z-force Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:54:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 21:54:59.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[398BFB70:01C0BEE4] From: "Chris Kearsing" >Flashback stinks and should have been torn down the day after it was put >up. >I'll give them the one day for experimenting and realizing that it was a >failure. But it never should have been left up as long as it has to cause >so >many cases of whiplash, headaches, bruises, etc.... I think SFMM could have a good ride on their hands if... 1) They removed the OTSR. Come on! It doesn't even go upside down!! 2) They enclosed it in the dark. It's a really compact design! It would fit perfectly in a building. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From mike_ska@yahoo.com Fri Apr 06 14:57:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mike_ska@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 21:57:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 7731 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 21:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 21:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web4903.mail.yahoo.com) (216.115.106.28) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 22:58:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010406215704.5758.qmail@web4903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.0.99.137] by web4903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:57:04 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mike cowan My favorite carival ride is this thing called the G-fORCE, it was awsome. It had a circle of seats that faced in twoard the middle (about 28 total, your legs dangled freeley over the platform) and this giant circle was broke into row-like things of four, but they all faced to the center of the circle. This circle of seats was attached to a bar that went across the top and this bar was attached to two other bars that were attached to the platform. This ride had OTSR's. What happen was the platform would start to spin at a good rate, then the big circle of seats would spin in the oppisite direction at an extremely fast speed for a ittle while. Then finaly the bar that was attached to the circle of seats started to flip. so your spining in 3 different directions at the same time. The overhead bar spins really slow so that you get almost a complete rotation of dead sideways and a complete rotation of upside down. This ride was great, but the first time i went on it (98) i got 5 full flips, but the next year they shortened it to only 3. The ride was at the BIG-E (eastern states expo) in springfield about 20-10 min from SFNE. Its open for the month of september. ===== =======MIKE======== ==== we all made this bed, now we got no where to lay, dies and gentle men try and understand---=---=-NOFX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From lu_pavlik@hotmail.com Fri Apr 06 15:08:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lu_pavlik@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 22:08:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 25995 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 22:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 22:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 22:08:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 15:08:15 -0700 Received: from 208.22.189.31 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:08:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.22.189.31] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Superman and Vekoma? Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:08:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 22:08:15.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[141CC840:01C0BEE6] From: "Lucas Pavlik" i think i remember hearing somewhere that vekoma provided the building of the trains or wheel system or something. Im not sure though, just my 2 cents. -Lucas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From asandy@depauw.edu Fri Apr 06 15:29:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: asandy@DEPAUW.EDU X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 22:29:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 72950 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 22:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 22:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acad1.depauw.edu) (163.120.1.202) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 22:29:43 -0000 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) id <01K235VBQ1808Y7Y9H@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:29:24 EST Received: from sandy ([163.120.182.46]) by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #41244) with ESMTP id <01K235VBERMS8WZBND@DEPAUW.EDU> for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:29:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:29:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Favorite Carnival Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: The Slimmage Message-id: <000901c0bee0$9c4fc880$2eb678a3@depauw.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20010406201542.21223.qmail@web4901.mail.yahoo.com> From: The Slimmage > Adam, how is it that you are always on point? How I > absolutely *have* to get to SRM. As if Raven and > Legend weren't enough, how could I pass up a chance to > meet the man, the myth the legend that is Daddy Fat > Sacks aka Your Olymic Hero bka The Slimmage =]. > Thanks G, > jeremy Thanks. I guess I am full of too much information about parks, maybe it is the history major in me. I hope you can make it (will it be your first SRM?). It a great time and I would love to meet up with you and anyone e