From coasterdude18@juno.com Fri Oct 26 02:37:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 09:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 37908 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 09:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 09:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 09:37:30 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/LO+hWRDInkmTOvW6TLl+YJwMsOZSm4Ez"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJNUYF4E; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:36:59 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:24:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days (well...sort of) Message-ID: <20011026.042913.-470819.5.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-15,17-24,26-47,50-55,58-62,64-76,79-102 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Six strangers...five amusement parks....three days. Sounds like a > new > > reality television show, doesn't it? And in a way it was. There > were > > arguments ("Josh, call your parents so they know we're coming > into > > town"), > That would be me, at the end of driving from Lakemont back to > Wadsworth and definately hitting my grumpy stage. Sorry about that > guys. One thing I'm used to having is "by myself downtime" every > couple of days, and after 4 days of low sleep and not getting > it, well, it was bound to come out some way. Even though I was the > "old guy" in our group, sorry for trying to play "dad" at that > point when I shouldn't. :-) LOL! I didn't expect anyone to "confess to the crimes" listed above! In any case, don't worry about it; I think we all had our moments. :-) > > TOXIC TUNNEL OF TERROR: > yeah, those were the two that you guys managed to get in while I was > in the offices. I'm sure you were having much more fun than > I was. :-) Laughing at Josh as he layed on the floor of the tunnel? Yeah, we were!!! (just kiddin' around, Josh ;-) > > We split for the rest of the > > day at this point - Corey, Jeremy, and Josh went to take Talon > pictures > > while George, Brian, Brian's friend (sorry - I'm really not that > bad with > > names!), and I went to grab some lunch. > Just bewared the Subway Bee's! Must have been the mustard. It's when they try to crawl in your mouth that there's a problem!! > > I will admit that I > > jumped at one part (but just once), and I believe it was when the > snake > > jumped out of the clock. > yeah, I think that's the same part of the haunted house that got me. > Quite funny. The other really great part (that gets people sitting on the right) is the pair of hands that shoot out of a closed box (I think in the attic scene). Great fun. > > PHOENIX - 1948 Herb Schmeck & PTC double out and back wooden > coaster with > > My > > impression of the Phoenix? "Holy > > #@*&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%! !!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!&$%!!!" > Well, I'm not a person to use strong language, but yeah, I'd say > that sums it up pretty well. :-) Haha! My string of "cuss words was not supposed to be that long; somehow the string just kept repeating itself (must be an HTML thing??). >We did get to watch > Downdraft > > cycle, the new flat for 2001. And while I thought it looked like > wicked > > fun, nobody else agreed. > I'm sorry Nate. I love things like that and if I had realized that > you were that interested I wouldn't have hesitated to hop on > it with you. But at that point I was starting to wear down so it > might not have gotten past the foggy haze in my brain. Ah, it's not a big deal - we were pressed for time anyway, and I probably would have gotten as sick as the poor kid riding! Plus it gives me another reason to return next year. > Again, I > apologize to > > both Josh and Chris for that - but at least we had a good time; we > need > > to do that again (I'll behave myself next year, I promise). I > paid for > > it the next morning, anyway. :-) > I didn't catch much of that. Right after the bonfire I crashed at > the first opportunity I was given cause I was so tired. But it > worked out pretty good since I was the driver when we left in the > morning. I still feel really bad about you guys sleeping as we > could have taken at least a couple more of you in the camper. Oh, it's okay - I think we all survived okay! > But I sure didn't hear about your misbehavior at camp RRC that night > either. So what kind of trouble were you causing Nate? :-) LOL! I'm pleading the fifth... -Nate (who's really craving some CHOST at this point) coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Fri Oct 26 11:57:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 18:57:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 77186 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 18:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 18:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apollo.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 18:57:25 -0000 Received: by apollo.thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:59:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Coaster-Talk (E-mail)" Subject: Coasters on "Whose Line" Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:59:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Carrier, Michael" X-Yahoo-Profile: blue_eyed_tx_guy Anyone else on here watch "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" on ABC? Very funny show! Last night, they did the "News Flash" skit (Colin plays an on-the-scene reporter covering whatever story is playing on the screen behind him (which he cannot see) and 2 others play studio anchors and give him hints so he can guess) and showed roller coasters, both PoV perspective and looking back at the riders. Most of the video was sped-up footage of SFGam's Viper (obviously from a commercial shoot). Also thrown in were that infamous Raptor PoV, and ancient footage of some British kids eating while riding what looked like an Arrow shuttle loop. For the final clue, they asked Colin to raise his arms, which of course made it look like he was riding and brought a cheer from the audience. Funny stuff! Mike From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Oct 26 12:12:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 19:12:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 285 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 19:12:11 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.12e.69f20af (3972) for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12e.69f20af.290b0f62@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:11:30 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days (well...sort of) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/26/2001 5:27:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > Still, it feels a heck of a lot > more "classic" than Disney's version, probably because Knoebels opted not > to use any expensive, more technical special effects. > Except for the "Rave Room" ump ump ump.... -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 13:38:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 20:38:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 4319 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 20:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 20:38:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.143) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 20:38:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:38:57 -0700 Received: from 152.163.195.186 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:38:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.195.186] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days (well...sort of) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:38:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2001 20:38:57.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C5429D0:01C15E5E] From: "Jeremy Daniels" The ride op really cranked the chain up on this thing, and everyone was having a great time (including him). He made the guys dressed as the Golden Girls dance before we got another four cycles, which was great fun. ALl I HAVE to say is this.. I"m a HUUUUUGE golden Girls fanatic, and when i saw those dudes, I didn't know what they were doing, first of all the "girls" don't wear head wraps, and they could have done better... but i guess they tried their best... jsut my comment as a Golden Girls Enthuasiast.... and thank YOU everyone, for being a friend.... Corey and Jeremy ended up in the van (where I believe Josh moved to at some point during the night) Yes COREY did sleep in the van as well as I, but when in the van, what else WOULD corey have been doing, BUT SLEEPING! the ol' lucky blue haired one... A note to George.... While riding the SKYLINER, i did not intend on hitting my hand on the structure, for I may seem stupid and immature to you, but I am in no way going to HURT MYSELF on purpose, it was strictly accidental, cause at first i wasn't for sure what i exactly hit my hand on. Although Josh thought it was funny, I laughed after realizing it wasn't bleeding all THAT bad... jk it wsa barely any blood... that's all i have to clear up... and Nate i'm sorry if you can't find any chost.. especially in the most Chostiest place on earth... Wisconsin!!!! and i'm not a HICK... it sucks being sterotyped as one so it gets old... but other then that i had a great tiem and HOPE i'm still invited to SRM and many other trips in the future. Maybe we can all meet up again.. say maybe early May of 2004 and we can hit up Media Day for X... sound good? later guys JeReMy D. "crazy non-hick west virginian" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Oct 26 14:12:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 21:12:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 46740 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 21:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 21:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.180) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 21:12:36 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp001pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id f9QLCIr14983 Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BD9D30B.492934F2@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:18:04 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days (well...sort of) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jeremy Daniels wrote: > A note to George.... > While riding the SKYLINER, i did not intend on hitting my hand on the > structure, for I may seem stupid and immature to you, but I am in no way > going to HURT MYSELF on purpose, it was strictly accidental, cause at first > i wasn't for sure what i exactly hit my hand on. Although Josh thought it > was funny, I laughed after realizing it wasn't bleeding all THAT bad... jk > it wsa barely any blood... Didn't say you did do it on purpose, or intentional at all. Didn't seem stupid or immature to me. I was just saying that there was so little to the coaster that interested me that you injury was far more exciting than the rest of Skyliner. And trust me, I was happy to that you weren't hurt that bad. Didn't you notice how I kept my hands inside the train after that? :-) keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From dreamwave6@yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 16:45:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89913 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 23:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 23:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 23:45:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dreamwave6@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by n11.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2001 23:45:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Approved-By: coasterdude18@juno.com via web; 26 Oct 2001 23:45:18 -0000 X-Sender: dreamwave6@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Oct 2001 23:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 27595 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 23:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2001 23:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20504.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.139) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 23:17:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20011026231752.22302.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.146.128.15] by web20504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:17:52 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mark D and others To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3BCDACFA.5830EBCA@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: dreamwave X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Hi all, I believe that I am one of the "others" that you are referring to. I would like to contribue more to this group that I have been. I have been very busy with my work, which, unfortunately, takes a precedence over coasters. I also just got back from vacation and presently am wading through more than 2000 e-mails in my inbox! On a brighter note, my vacation brought me to Florida where I visited several parks. I hope to have a trip report out in the next couple of weeks! Andrew --- George Burnash wrote: > Xcoaster@juno.com wrote: > > > PS. What ever happened to Mark D. and the few > other members that haven't > > talked lately? They just get up and leave? I've > been kinda missing Marks > > comments about Disney. Oh well. > > Mark unsubscribed from the list a while back after > it blew up between him and Josh and a couple of the > others. Just to clear the > air- no he wasn't asked to quit the list, or removed > against his will. I've talked to him recently > online, and he may come back > at a later date, but isn't sure. Told me that if he > does, it will be after school is out most likely. > > As for others, they're still on the list. We've > only had a couple of people drop off lately, and > they were lurkers. And we've > had several people join up. We've just been real > slow recently compared to what we are like > sometimes, and I think the events of > September have a lot to do with that. Other coaster > forums have also been rather slow ever since the > 11th. But it would be nice > to see a bunch of you guys come out of the woodworks > again. We miss hearing your voices! And you know > who you are! > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > > > __________________________________________________________ > Times change, life is up and down. But through > everything God remains the same. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 20:18:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 03:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 16387 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 03:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 03:18:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.182) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 03:18:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:18:22 -0700 Received: from 152.163.195.209 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 03:18:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.195.209] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days (well...sort of) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 03:18:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2001 03:18:22.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[08583B70:01C15E96] From: "Jeremy Daniels" George schooled me on his thoughts: >Didn't say you did do it on purpose, or intentional at all. Didn't seem >stupid or immature to me. I was just saying that there >was so little to the coaster that interested me that you injury was far >more exciting than the rest of Skyliner. And trust me, I >was happy to that you weren't hurt that bad. Didn't you notice how I kept >my hands inside the train after that? :-) > >keep on ridin' >George I appreciate your concern, although it was funny considering it wasn't that dangerous... but i guess they do really mean "please keep your hands and arms inside the car at all time" even after all these years we never learn do we? well i enjoyed that ride, too bad there weren't any airtime hills in between there, but i would say that it is the best coaster in the park, only reason i enjoyed LTD's was becasue of it's history and nicely paced ride... although Brian pointed out before I got in the car that it tends to shake the bejesus outa ya... I'm glad you learned a lesson from me... surprised i came in handy on that trip huh? hope you get your check from CP soon lata jeremy d... d who? deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzz .... nevermind _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From lu_pavlik@hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 20:52:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lu_pavlik@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 03:52:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 78620 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 03:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 03:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.67) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 03:52:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:52:02 -0700 Received: from 208.22.189.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 03:52:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.22.189.11] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Top tens Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:52:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2001 03:52:02.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC4DE2C0:01C15E9A] From: "Lucas Pavlik" >>8. Blue Streak @ Conneaut Lake Park Great ride, in danger of becoming SBNO, just like the rest of the park (Chippewa lake all over again!) I'm going to help paint it this summer with ACE.<<< Since when did ACE decide to help paint the Blue Streak? I think thats awesome of them to do it, seeing how it needs it bad. I live about 5 minutes away from Conneaut Lake (Community) Park--nifty 'new name' eh, hehe--and even when the park was closed due to bankruptcy (too many times to count) I believe they still ran the Blue Streak once and a while. Not to sure though. -Lucas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Oct 26 21:06:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 04:06:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 96197 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 04:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 04:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp006pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.185) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 04:06:49 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id f9R46m024530 Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:06:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BDA3421.870F9D36@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:12:18 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk Subject: NEWS: LA times article about 3 Intiman accidents Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Saw this in the paper today and thought you might be interested in it. Nothing really new in teh article, but still a good read. Here's the link: http://www.latimes.com/editions/orange/la-000085164oct26.story keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM Sat Oct 27 08:39:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 15:39:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 68263 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 15:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 15:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 15:38:59 -0000 Received: from DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.133.3ab9fbb (3877) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <133.3ab9fbb.290c2f0a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:38:50 EDT Subject: Roller Coasters To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Profile: castmembermagic You know, there have been a lot of articles about roller coaster safety. Are there any real concerns? Should I be cautious? (--Daniel) P.S. Ahmed, why is it that such a large number of people of Muslim background have the name Mohammed? From thosechickasaws@aol.com Sat Oct 27 08:57:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THOSECHICKASAWS@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 15:57:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 36721 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 15:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 15:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 15:57:53 -0000 Received: from THOSECHICKASAWS@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.12d.6a432c4 (17230) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12d.6a432c4.290c337c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:57:48 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Roller Coasters To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: thosechickasaws@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thosechickasaws <> All of this stuff is blown out of proportion by the media, because people always fall for it, and get scared into watching and reading it. Roller coasters are getting bigger and better, but their force on the body is not greater. As a famous example, the little, old, (but still fun!) Wildcat pulls more Gs than it's 310 foot tall neighbor, MF! The woman who was killed at SFMM had a serious health problem, and shouldn't have been riding Goliath. <> Muslims believe that Mohammed was the last, and greatest prophet of God. Out of respect and honor, many born into Islam are given his name. Let me take this opportunity to mention that most Muslims, including me, are against the Taliban. Those are a few, insane people who must be stopped. However, I do a Haunted house every year for trick-or-treaters, and I had to get box cutters to shape the cardboard, but I was too scared of getting attacked or something at the store, so my friend had to buy them for me, and bring them over. *Sigh.* -Ahmed From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Oct 27 09:31:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 16:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 45252 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 16:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 16:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 16:31:20 -0000 Received: (cpmta 29943 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 09:31:19 -0700 Date: 27 Oct 2001 09:31:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20011027163119.29942.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 27 Oct 2001 16:31:19 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 27 Oct 2001 09:31:19 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re:REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >It was now time to run off in search of some CHOST, so we walked towards the Oktoberfest area. Unfortunately, all the stands were closed and we never did find any cheese on a stick. < At last, someone else who is a big Cheese on a Stick fan! What's happened to all the stands that used to grace midways? I love CHOST, but in our entire summer trip the only place I found any was at the Wisconsin State Fair. When I lived in Mississippi, there was a chain restaurant called Corn Dog 7, and they sold CHOST. I made pilgrimages there quite often. But those restaurants are nowhere to be found in the east. I've even gotten desperate and tried making CHOST myself. All I ended up with was a puddle of burnt cheese goo in my fryolator. BRING BACK CHEESE ON A STICK! Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Oct 27 10:31:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 17:31:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 78468 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 17:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 17:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 17:31:02 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24451 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:31:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200110271731.MAA24451@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Roller Coasters To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:31:01 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <12d.6a432c4.290c337c@aol.com> from "thosechickasaws@aol.com" at Oct 27, 2001 11:57:48 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > greater. As a famous example, the little, old, (but still fun!) Wildcat > pulls more Gs than it's 310 foot tall neighbor, MF! I have yet to ride MF, but Wildcat was one of the highlights of Cedar Point for me when I was there in 99 .. That thing rocks, and it's very, _very_ wild! (Certainly rages more than Raging bull does!!) > Let me take this opportunity to mention that most Muslims, including me, > are against the Taliban. Those are a few, insane people who must be > stopped. Excellent words there. Think of it this way .. there are still many Americans who think that blacks are sub-standard, it doesn't mean that everyone who lives in the US are as sad and twisted as that. I know it can be tough, especially with all the media at the moment, but please don't judge all Middle-Easterners by the few crackpots and psychos who believe in terrorism. Cam -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From serpmage@juno.com Sat Oct 27 10:44:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 22945 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 17:44:52 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAK7xlSTTVv9imChRlWvDY9OuMxrWzqLNTw=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GJSA86N7; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:44:07 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:37:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Mini TR: The Amusement Industry Exposition Message-ID: <20011027.134329.-429767.1.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > a carnival show. One further nail in the coffin could > be that IAAPA is in Orlando this year and, for those When is it? With my parent's house 4 miles from the Convention Center, you'll bet I'm going to try as hard as I can to be there. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From serpmage@juno.com Sat Oct 27 10:45:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Oct 2001 17:45:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 72921 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2001 17:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2001 17:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2001 17:45:04 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAK7xlSTTVv9iBK8IoXh0/D/Tcy8uQlq9rg=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GJSA86L9; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:44:07 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:18:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New attraction at CedarPoint Message-ID: <20011027.134329.-429767.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,14-19 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > > also heard it suggested that Disaster Transport, Iron Dragon, > Corkscrew, > > Mine Ride, etc should be removed for new coasters. > > > > >> > NOOO!! you can't take my Disaster Transport! or Mine Ride! both are > extremely > fun, and neither have really long lines, unless it's really crowded > in the > park. (Such as a saturday in July) Mine ride, fun? When I rode it was a painful experience. The cars are ridiculously designed with the lap bar for all the rows connected, and for a ride with 3 lift hills there sure wasn't much speed, besides, who ever heard of a mine ride that doesn't have tunnels? Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From MxPx2@aol.com Sat Oct 27 17:12:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 00:12:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 27730 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.cf.da9fccf (15881) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINID78-1027201200; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:12:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:12:00 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: LA times article about 3 Intiman accidents To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Sandor Kernacs is absolutely right in what he's saying in this article. "Our rides are safe, it was either rider misconduct, or operator error." Those restraints on Intamin rides are meant to hold a rider in who's riding "like they're supposed to". They aren't there to prevent one from getting out if they absolutely want to, which is the case with the boy in the Drop Zone accident. talk to Dave Althoff, Jr. about this and I know he'll agree. Most of you who don't know him, he's not on this list, but he's very knowledgeable in these areas. We've had some long discussions about these things. Josh From MxPx2@aol.com Sat Oct 27 17:16:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 00:16:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 52800 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 00:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 00:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.ac.1cde59f3 (15895) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINID810-1027201610; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:16:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:16:10 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re:REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk <> YES!!! Another believer in the CHOST crew! LONG LIVE CHOST (at parks where it currently lives:) josh From MxPx2@aol.com Sat Oct 27 17:18:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 00:18:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 33872 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 00:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 00:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 00:18:16 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.113.6bbe5bb (5709) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v82.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID42-1027201809; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:18:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:18:09 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New attraction at CedarPoint To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <113.6bbe5bb.290ca8c1@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk <> ??? There's only 2 lift hills... the only think that makes it so fun is the Enthusiast crews. we make fun of it, and call it the best ride in the park :) josh From jzerkel@effingham.net Sat Oct 27 18:58:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 01:58:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 15490 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 01:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 01:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 01:58:18 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.150]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c15f54$ae5e6d00$96b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: anybody up for IOA in early 2002? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:03:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody: I took my first trip to IOA in Feb. of 1999, and I really, really want to go back. I don't know if this type of post is frowned upon or not......but I was just curious......would anyone else on this list be interested in making an IOA pilgrimage sometime in Jan. or Feb. of 2002? Maybe sort of an "unofficial" RCT get-together? And, BTW....George, Nate, and the other mods.....if I am way out of line with this post, please do not hesitate to tell me so. Just something I thought I'd run up the flag pole. --Jon Z. (Zerkel.......not Zucker.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameronbw@aol.com Sat Oct 27 19:24:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 02:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 44648 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 02:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 02:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 02:24:41 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.12e.6adf10b (16784) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12e.6adf10b.290cc667@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:24:39 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mark D and others To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: cameronbw@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coastercameron In a message dated 10/26/01 6:47:28 PM Central Daylight Time, dreamwave6@yahoo.com writes: << Hi all, I believe that I am one of the "others" that you are referring to. I would like to contribue more to this group that I have been. I have been very busy with my work, which, unfortunately, takes a precedence over coasters. I also just got back from vacation and presently am wading through more than 2000 e-mails in my inbox! On a brighter note, my vacation brought me to Florida where I visited several parks. I hope to have a trip report out in the next couple of weeks! Andrew >> Another who rarely ever posts is Jerry D. He lives right here in The Twin Cites of MN too! In fact, I met him in person for the 3rd time today! We share two common intrests, Ham (Amature) Radio, and Coasters! He's still alive and well! ;) Cameron Willis Please visit my forums at: http://cameronscoastersfourms.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/IB/ikonboard.cgi From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sat Oct 27 19:26:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 02:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13487 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 02:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 02:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp002pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.181) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 02:26:56 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp002pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id f9S2Qsn07391 Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:26:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BDB6E38.A0111F45@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:32:24 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] anybody up for IOA in early 2002? References: <000f01c15f54$ae5e6d00$96b1220c@lorenzer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Zerkel wrote: > I don't know if this type of post is frowned upon or not......but I was just curious......would anyone else on this list be interested in making an IOA pilgrimage sometime in Jan. or Feb. of 2002? Maybe sort of an "unofficial" RCT get-together? > > And, BTW....George, Nate, and the other mods.....if I am way out of line with this post, please do not hesitate to tell me so. Just something I thought I'd run up the flag pole. > Not inappropriate at all Jon, so don't worry. My only question was if you missed Adam Sandy's post about the sort-of official get together that he is working on getting together for next year. Basically he's working on gettiing an early admission/ ERT time together at a park or two for those who can make it, but otherwise everyone would be on their own. I've included the last post he made to the list about it, which includes the parks that he's trying to get everything worked out with. It's on the end of this message. keep on ridin' George Adam Sandy wrote: Well, I want to thank everyone who voted in the polls for the RCT event next year. Our top three votes were for: 1 (Choice V): Conneaut/Kennywood/SFWOA 2 (Choice VI): CP/SFWOA/Kennywood 3 (Choice VII): Hershey/Dorney I will be contacting Mary Lou at Kennywood in the coming weeks, see what dates would work for her, and then see which ones would work for you guys. As I said, we need at least thirty people (or so) to make this work. But, I would think that might be possible with all of the people here and their families and friends. In addition, I think the three parks would be a nice variety and offer three unique experiences to everyone participating. If for some reason Mary Lou says that there is no way we can fit in next year's schedule I will work down to choice two and, if that does not work, choice three. I think it should work, but if it does not, all of these would be equally fun weekends. Thanks to everyone participating! Adam -- __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From thunder1usa1@aol.com Sat Oct 27 20:06:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 03:06:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 63595 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 03:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 03:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 03:06:16 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.24.1b664e64 (17081) for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <24.1b664e64.290cd023@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:06:11 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] anybody up for IOA in early 2002? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 IOA in early 2002 sounds good to me being i live in the tampa bay area and it's only approx. an hour and a half drive for me. Please let me know when asap so i can get the day off from work. Joe (this will be his 1st trip to IOA) From jzerkel@effingham.net Sat Oct 27 21:08:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 04:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 6049 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 04:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 04:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 04:08:20 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.28]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c15f66$d8f321c0$1cb1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <000f01c15f54$ae5e6d00$96b1220c@lorenzer> <3BDB6E38.A0111F45@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] anybody up for IOA in early 2002? Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:13:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Burnash" My only question was if you missed Adam Sandy's post about the sort-of official get together that he is working on getting together for next year. Yeah........I was aware of Adam's work on the official get-together at Kennywood/Conneaut/SFWoA; and I am definetetly planning on attending.......but I just didn't want to wait until next summer for my next coaster rides. ;-) Does Adam have any more info about that yet? Also, my b-day is on Jan. 27 (which falls on a Sunday in 2002.) I can't think of any better way to spend my b-day than riding Spidey, Hulk, and Fire Dragon!! On a related note.......after surfing the web earlier tonight, I see that IOA has adopted the evil fast pass from their neighbor to the south, the Mouse. (IOA is calling theirs Express Pass.) Shame on you IOA!!! After reading the fine print on the web site, however, I saw where it said "The Express Pass is not valid for the front seat queues on Incredible Hulk or Dueling Dragons." (I know it said those 2 at least.....I believe it was also invalid on several other attractions.) What a crock. Well......I already have one taker, Joe (thunder1usa1@aol.com)........ are there any others?? --Jon Z. (Zerkel.......not Zucker.......who was here long before I was anyway.) From Mrkwilson@aol.com Sat Oct 27 21:49:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 04:49:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 55268 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 04:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 04:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 04:49:21 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.31.1ccbac58 (3958) for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31.1ccbac58.290ce845@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:49:09 EDT Subject: MISC: Riddler's Revenge's Ecuador To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10502 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know that someone here has this on a website... could you post it again? Thanks! Mark Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sat Oct 27 22:33:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 05:33:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 88926 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 05:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 05:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.182) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 05:33:10 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp003pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id f9S5Wh316312 Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:32:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BDB99DA.A716731B@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:38:34 -0700 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Riddler's Revenge's Ecuador References: <31.1ccbac58.290ce845@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Mrkwilson@aol.com wrote: > I know that someone here has this on a website... could you post it again? > Thanks! > Like you said, the name of the song is Ecuador. It's performed by a group called Sash, and the version played is called the Bruce Wayne mix. Using Google to do a quick search I found downloadable copies of it in realplayer format (.rm) here: http://www.geocities.com/sashmania01/DownloadsRealAudio.htm and in mp3 format here: mp3galore.labs.gr/Albums/sash-its_my_life.htm (use IE for the second one- it didn't like my netscape) Quick note- I can not, nor will I, verify the legitimacy of either site. So use them at your own risk. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From ViperSFGA@aol.com Sun Oct 28 06:08:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 14:08:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 84681 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 14:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 14:08:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 14:08:26 -0000 Received: from ViperSFGA@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.e4.1cefdb26 (15862) for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from web38.aolmail.aol.com (web38.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.14]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-1028090825; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:08:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:08:24 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Roller Coasters To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: vipersfga In a message dated Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:39:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM writes: > You know, there have been a lot of articles about roller coaster safety. Are > there any real concerns? Should I be cautious? > No, I don't think there are any REAL concerns. I think that people are just starting to put the magnifying glass over roller coasters and creat stories when they aren't there. Kyle From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Oct 28 06:46:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 14:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 57158 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.46]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:46:08 -0600 Message-ID: <003201c15fbf$ff0cb660$2eb1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:51:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again everybody! Well, I *thought* I had seen all the polls there were to see during my time on this list; but my overworked and under-rested brain has thought of yet another one............ Which coasters have you ridden, once upon a time, that have since been demolished, removed, or relocated? I say demolished, removed, or relocated because since joining this list I have learned that relatively few coasters are actually lost forever. Thankfully, many removed rides seem to turn up later at another park. I'll go ahead and answer my own poll at this time. For me, I *think* it is only two. I KNOW I rode Tidal Wave when it was at SFGrAm. I *think* I rode a coaster called Jet Scream when it was at SFStL. My questions are......Did SFStL have a coaster called Jet Scream in the early 1980s? And, if so, whatever became of it? --Jon Z. (Zerkel......not Zucker.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Oct 28 08:05:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 16:05:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 5358 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 16:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 16:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 16:05:57 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/GXrfw/XPIgGzq1DaThOufdyuLQy/6Lym"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJUPX68E; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:04:53 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:57:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <20011028.095718.-312055.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-10,12-14 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Which coasters have you ridden, once upon a time, that have since > been demolished, removed, or relocated? I believe there are only two for me: -Steel Phantom (now Phantom's Revenge), & -Rails/Wild Rails (now Wildcat at Jolly Roger Amusement Park in Ocean City, MD) > My questions are......Did SFStL have a coaster called Jet Scream in > the early 1980s? And, if so, whatever became of it? Yep - it's now at SFAW as Viper. It's a Schwarzkopf - one of his standard models, I believe - but I don't know hwhich one. Anybody? -Nate (who's on his way out the door right now for the last day at SFGAm) coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 08:06:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 16:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 54661 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 16:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 16:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.121) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 16:06:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20011028160630.3630.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.164.105.162] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:06:30 PST Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:06:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Which coasters have you ridden, once upon a time, >that have since been demolished, removed, or >relocated? Viper (Schwarzkopf wieght-dropped shuttle) at Six Flags over Georgia, rode it on the last day of ops this year (rumors are SFA for 2002) Glissade (Schwarzkopf Jumbo Jet) at Busch Gardens Williamsburg (now at La Feria Chapultepec Magico according to RCDB) And, it looks like the Whalom Park Flyer could sadly be added to that list >I KNOW I rode Tidal Wave when it was at SFGrAm. >I *think* I rode a coaster called Jet Scream when it >was at SFStL. I just added a new page on Tidal Wave/Viper at Amusement Park History you might be interested in. Check out: http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/vipersfog.htm >My questions are......Did SFStL have a coaster called >Jet Scream in the early 1980s? And, if so, whatever >became of it? It was removed after the 1988 season for Ninja (although they did not share the same land space). It was a Schwarzkopf Looping Star and opened as Viper at Six Flags Astroworld for the 1989 season. A Jet Scream postcard (I love the name) is at: http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/Anton/jetscream.jpg And Joe has a great shot of it at Joyrides in TX: http://www.joyrides.com/sfaw/full/viper.htm Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 08:11:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 16:11:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 12660 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 16:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 16:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.123) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 16:11:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20011028161114.6936.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.164.105.162] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:11:14 PST Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: REVIEW: 5 parks in 3 days (well...sort of) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >I can verify, the showers were definately cold. And >there wasn't much hot water either when I got my >rinse. Almost felt like I was snowcamping way back >when I was in boy scouts again. I'm not sure if it >was the shower or CP that set me up for the >horrendous cold I had when I got back home. Well, not all the showers were cold. I trotted over there around 8:30 and it was piping hot for me. Maybe I'm the reason others did not enjoy a long, hot shower :) Adam who feels he is now the object of hate among many... ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 08:19:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 16:19:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 72949 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 16:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 16:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20408.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.127) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 16:19:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20011028161950.57092.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.164.105.162] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:19:50 PST Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:19:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Magnum- bring the hype To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >> I agree, but I do think there is a story here and >> that is what Cedar Point's marketing team did with >> the 200-foot concept. They turned a coaster which >> would have been a big pull into a legendary one. >And that is, no doubt, very true. But does that make >Magnum a "unique" ride? No, I wouldn't think so. >Many say that SFMM's Collossus is the most >photographed/filmed coaster on the planet (due to its >proximity to Hollywood) but that doesn't make that >ride unique, either. CP may have done a great job >advertising, but that doesn't make the ride original >at all. I do not believe I said that made it original, Nate. What I meant was, if I came away from the park respecting anything about Magnum (including the design), it was the PR behind it. But, talk alone does not make a coaster important and I agree that the hype shoved down our throat is quite excessive and does not turn the coaster into something that deserves tons of respect. I think respecting the job a PR dept. did and saying a coaster was a watershed in the industry are two different things. Adam who hopes he is a little clearer... ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 08:24:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 16:24:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 95176 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 16:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 16:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20401.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.120) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 16:24:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20011028162428.8151.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.164.105.162] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:24:28 PST Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:24:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: question about cp rumor... To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >i heard someone say that the LAND OF THE GIANTS would >go under Millennium Force's footprints, so who knows >what those crazy lil' kids are talking about over at >CoasterForum.... I want to say there is no way that will happen, but I have definitley wrong before. I thought it was beyond stupid to add two large coasters and an upcharge attraction in the same year at SFMM and said they would never do that...and ate my words. Of course, they got one coaster that opened near the same time the late-season upcharge attraction did and another that looks to be "new for 2002." I guess corporate mentality and I will never see eye to eye. So, who knows? Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 08:30:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 16:30:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 3904 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 16:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 16:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.125) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 16:30:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20011028163057.53652.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.164.105.162] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:30:57 PST Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:30:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: IAAPA info. To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >> a carnival show. One further nail in the coffin >> could be that IAAPA is in Orlando this year >When is it? With my parent's house 4 miles from the >Convention Center, you'll bet I'm going to try as >hard as I can to be there. It is Tuesday November 13 through Saturday the 17. For all attendee info. check out: http://www.iaapa.org/annualtradeshow/annu-atd.htm Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 08:33:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 16:33:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 8998 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 16:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 16:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.125) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 16:33:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20011028163334.53942.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.164.105.162] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:33:34 PST Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:33:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: RCT Event Info. To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Yeah........I was aware of Adam's work on the >official get-together at Kennywood/Conneaut/SFWoA; >and I am definetetly planning on attending.......but >I just didn't want to wait until next summer for my >next coaster rides. ;-) Does Adam have any more >info about that yet? Not yet, with the move, new job and computer worm I have been a little slow to have something finalized by now (but, I really did not expect to have anything definite by now, anyway). But, I hope to hammer a little something out with Kennywood by IAAPA and would like to have something to share with you after I get back from the show. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Oct 28 09:06:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 17:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 36556 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 17:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 17:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 17:06:09 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.57]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:05:49 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c15fd3$825f33e0$39b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011028160630.3630.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:10:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" > >I *think* I rode a coaster called Jet Scream when it > >was at SFStL. > A Jet Scream postcard (I love the name) is at: > http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/Anton/jetscream.jpg After checking out Adam's postcard link, I am now certain I rode Jet Scream at SFStL. Also.....it was the first coaster I ever rode that had an inversion. --Jon Z (Zerkel......not Zucker.) From Mrkwilson@aol.com Sun Oct 28 10:24:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 18:24:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 46282 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 18:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 18:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 18:24:16 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.a9.1d703ed9 (2616) for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:24:10 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] IAAPA info. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this for anyone who registers or is it an exclusive thing? I'm probably the only one on the list who's attended a whopping 0 coaster events, it's pretty degrading. Mark Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@juno.com Sun Oct 28 11:31:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 19:31:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 52482 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 19:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 19:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 19:31:09 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWqQhEcvJizLwJOFuG+iR6MQbDRBHT9FkUw=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJU3RHU9; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:30:58 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:28:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <20011028.112855.-1458647.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11,13-14,19-21 From: Xcoaster@juno.com On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:51:15 -0600 "Jon Zerkel" writes: > Hi again everybody! > > Well, I *thought* I had seen all the polls there were to see during > my time on this list; but my overworked and under-rested brain has > thought of yet another one............ > > > Which coasters have you ridden, once upon a time, that have since > been demolished, removed, or relocated? The Wacky Soap Box Racers at KBF. Then they replaced it with WindJammer, which I never even rode (shows how long that was runnning, huh?). Would this list include SBNO coasters? Cause I've been on one, The Little Dipper (yee hah) at Marshall Scotties/Frasiers Frontier nearby San Diego, in El Cajon. I wish they'd get that park running again. Maybe once I become a millionaire I'll buy it off the trailer park that now owns it and make a nice little park. Although, it might be a supermarket by then. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From gocubs7@hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 13:08:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 21:08:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 3469 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 21:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 21:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.129) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 21:08:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:08:12 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.38 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:08:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.38] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New attraction at CedarPoint Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:08:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2001 21:08:12.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[A71CDC70:01C15FF4] From: "Tim Schroll" X-Yahoo-Profile: schroll_tim > >Mine ride, fun? When I rode it was a painful experience. The cars are >ridiculously designed with the lap bar for all the rows connected, and >for a ride with 3 lift hills there sure wasn't much speed, besides, who >ever heard of a mine ride that doesn't have tunnels? > Hey, the mine ride is fun. Also, it has a tunnel. Right before and afetr the station. Tim Schroll ;) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dreamwave6@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 13:10:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave6@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 21:10:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 6393 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 21:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 21:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20509.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.144) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 21:10:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20011028211018.62500.qmail@web20509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.210.15.125] by web20509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:10:18 PST Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:10:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TOP 10 LIST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <171.294697e.2901bf36@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: dreamwave X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Hmmm...let's see here....some of us actually like SPEED on a coaster! Imagine that! Andrew :o) --- sammib1898@aol.com wrote: > Why do people think Gwazi is sooo good? okay so when > i went one of the trains > on the Tiger Side was not opperating, although the > ride op's on that side > wern't tryin to go fast (and there was less op's > people on that side). but > for the ride on both sides, its crap.There is no > airtime, only one spot of > G's on each side, the only lateral G i noticed was > one spot on Lion. And it > is soooooo rough (thank god for the padded seats). > But it may have been > better if it had been dueling. Sam-who will go on > Air at AT next year, and > who lives Near the tiny 10looper at ThorpePark (who > will go on that as well) > but wants to go back to florida soon. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Oct 28 13:11:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 21:11:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 59859 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 21:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 21:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 21:11:38 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id PAA43912164 Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:11:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BDC75CA.F6D01286@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:16:58 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... References: <003201c15fbf$ff0cb660$2eb1220c@lorenzer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jon Zerkel wrote: > Which coasters have you ridden, once upon a time, that have since been demolished, removed, or relocated? > I've got a few of them. Cal Expo, the California State Fair exposition center, used to have a woodie a long time ago. It was notorious in the local area for being unsafe and having accidents and problems during the fair each year- possibly because about the only time it ever ran was during the 2 week stint of the fair each year. I do remember one accident where two trains colided- I think one had rolled down the lift hill into the one that was loading in the station- but I couldn't tell you for sure. But finding evidence that this coaster ever existed isnear impossible, and I've been trying for years now. It was torn down in the late 70's or early 80's. My first date with my wife was on teh old Jet Star at SCBB that has since been removed and replaced with the much less fun Hurricane. And of course there are my very fond memories of riding Willard's Whizzer at Mariott's Great America in Santa Clara, CA. I also rode the Sarajevo Bobsleds at SFMM, which has since been moved- I think to SFoT, but it could be a different park as there are a couple of them floating around. The first coaster I ever rode is also long gone. It was a Miler junior coaster at Funderland- a kid's amusement center- in Sacramento that has now been replaced with a Dragon coaster. I'm sure that there are at least a couple more, but those are the ones that I remember off the top of my head. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Oct 28 13:14:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 21:14:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 88911 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 21:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 21:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp006pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.185) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 21:14:52 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id f9SLEo021159 Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:14:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BDC7693.17E71BE4@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:20:19 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... References: <20011028.112855.-1458647.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Xcoaster@juno.com wrote: > The Wacky Soap Box Racers at KBF. Then they replaced it with WindJammer, > which I never even rode (shows how long that was runnning, huh?). > I can "ditto" those- I definately remember riding the wacky racers- kind of a goofy ride overall, and not exactly among the thrilling I've been on. I never did get WindJammer though. They had already closed it for good the first time I saw it. Sure doesn't sound like I missed much though. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From gocubs7@hotmail.com Sun Oct 28 13:22:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 28 Oct 2001 21:22:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20141 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2001 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 28 Oct 2001 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.15.159) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2001 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:22:10 -0800 Received: from 216.176.148.38 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:22:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.38] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:22:09 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2001 21:22:10.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A8E11C0:01C15FF6] From: "Tim Schroll" X-Yahoo-Profile: schroll_tim >My questions are......Did SFStL have a coaster called Jet Scream in the >early 1980s? And, if so, whatever became of it? Yes, it's now Viper at SFAW. tim schroll _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Oct 28 16:20:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 00:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 96483 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 00:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 00:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 00:20:28 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.3f.d1900e (5712) for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v82.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID45-1028192023; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:20:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:20:23 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] anybody up for IOA in early 2002? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <3f.d1900e.290dfac7@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Nope, this post is A-OK with me :) Actually, I was thinking of making that trek myself. I'm just not sure when. I MAY attend IAAPA one of these times, too.... we'll keep in touch through Private e-mail. As a side note, these type of posts are OK, but make sure you arrange your meetings in private, that's all I ask.... -Josh RCTalk Moderator since a LOOOONG time ago From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Oct 28 16:35:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 00:35:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 50765 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 00:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 00:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 00:35:46 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.37.1cf686d0 (15893) for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID88-1028193539; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:35:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:35:39 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: question about cp rumor... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <37.1cf686d0.290dfe5b@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Adam Sandy Yodeled : <> Or 2006.... who knows? Josh (wondering if X will ever open, but I can say "I told you so" to some of the arrow-die hards out there. I Knew it wasn't going to open on time....i guess you'll have that, though being new technology and all.) From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Oct 28 16:39:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 00:39:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 84012 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 00:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 00:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 00:39:56 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.120]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:39:36 -0600 Message-ID: <002f01c16012$e7419fc0$78b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011028160630.3630.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:44:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" > >Which coasters have you ridden, once upon a time, > >that have since been demolished, removed, or > >relocated? > I just added a new page on Tidal Wave/Viper at > Amusement Park History you might be interested in. > Check out: > http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/vipersfog.htm > > >My questions are......Did SFStL have a coaster called > >Jet Scream in the early 1980s? And, if so, whatever > >became of it? > > It was removed after the 1988 season for Ninja > (although they did not share the same land space). It > was a Schwarzkopf Looping Star and opened as Viper at > Six Flags Astroworld for the 1989 season. Kind of interesting.........both of the coasters on my "Ridden, then removed" list were reborn elswhere, and both were renamed Viper. How many coasters out there have that name, anyway?? --Jon Z. From lance@screamscape.com Sun Oct 28 19:45:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 03:45:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 19282 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 03:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 03:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 03:45:56 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15y3Mz-0008M0-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:45:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1602c$42247e80$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <003201c15fbf$ff0cb660$2eb1220c@lorenzer> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:45:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Lets see... coasters that I've ridden that have been demolished or removed to unknown locations... Roller Coaster - At the now closed Marshal Scotty's/ Frasier's Frontier park in San Diego,CA Galaxi - Sat under the Seattle Space Needle until 1992 or so... Wacky Soap Box Derby Racers - Knott's Berry Farm... perhaps the most fun family coaster ever built. In the end, all of the cool tricks and themeing had been removed, plus the track had been so altered from it's origional state that it simply had no speed or airtime any longer. Anyone who rode it in the early years when it still had the crash doors, the cartoon animal figures and all of the camelback airtime humps that were later removed will agree that it was a great ride to remember. Saddly, I never got to try it in it's first couple of years when it was themed as a Motocross bike race experience... Winjammer - Knott's... Good Riddance... Lightning Bolt I - MGM Grand Adventures - The Indoor version... good riddance... Lightning Bolt II - MGM Grand Advenures - Outdoor and with greatly expanded track... a nice ride Mountain Express - Six Flags Magic Mountain (Schwarzkopf Wildcat) Wild E Coyote - SFMM Kiddie coaster... Whizzer - PGA (What year did this close anyway?) Excalibur - SFAW Steel Phantom - Kennywood From Xcoaster@juno.com Sun Oct 28 20:58:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 04:58:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 79291 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 04:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 04:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 04:58:07 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWvIJamGUIHpigYVaP25FLa6/3r5RUYku8w=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJV36QBY; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:57:25 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <20011028.205533.-1584539.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,13-15 From: Xcoaster@juno.com > Roller Coaster - At the now closed Marshal Scotty's/ Frasier's > Frontier park > in San Diego,CA What was this one? Was it the kiddie coaster, or was it another earlier one? I keep having these dreams that they'd reopen the park with a nice bunch of flatrides and a small Anton-ish coaster or two. But sadly, the cars on the Bumper Cars are all flipped over, people are living in the arcade, and the only things left are the aforementioned bumper cars, the little ferris wheel, the waterslide, the playground, and the Little Dipper. Also, they're using the parking lot to store some trucks and equipment. I want to see about buying the coaster from the trailer park. I wonder if they'd sell it. That would be a fun little toy. Ryan S. 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From serpmage@juno.com Sun Oct 28 22:30:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 06:30:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20621 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 06:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 06:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 06:30:02 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAINC4JfOtw8xsoREnN43hYl6wHwNuk6erQ=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GJV9E355; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:29:22 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:24:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: question about cp rumor... Message-ID: <20011029.012840.-116505.2.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > > Josh (wondering if X will ever open, but I can say "I told you so" > to some of the arrow-die hards out there. I Knew it wasn't going to > open on time....i guess you'll have that, though being new > technology and all.) > Am I allowed to say the same thing? Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From serpmage@juno.com Sun Oct 28 22:30:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 06:30:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 66351 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 06:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 06:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 06:30:02 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAINC4JfOtw8xARAG4gl7fbGzvNhx5dxYBg=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GJV9E32N; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:29:22 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:14:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] anybody up for IOA in early 2002? Message-ID: <20011029.012840.-116505.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > IOA in early 2002 sounds good to me being i live in the tampa bay > area and > it's only approx. an hour and a half drive for me. Please let me > know when > asap so i can get the day off from work. I like it, I'm in Daytona Beach and frequent IOA as often as possible, give me a date and I'll probably be there. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From serpmage@juno.com Sun Oct 28 22:30:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 06:30:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 96038 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 06:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 06:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 06:30:36 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAINC4JfOtw8xEsWhT2oyrLDhPlxDEXVt7w=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GJV9E348; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:29:22 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:23:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: New attraction at CedarPoint Message-ID: <20011029.012840.-116505.1.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,19-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > >Mine ride, fun? When I rode it was a painful experience. The cars > are > >ridiculously designed with the lap bar for all the rows connected, > and > >for a ride with 3 lift hills there sure wasn't much speed, besides, > who > >ever heard of a mine ride that doesn't have tunnels? > > > > Hey, the mine ride is fun. Also, it has a tunnel. Right before and > afetr the > station. Few quick things, I rode it once at the end of the day, summer 2000, so my memory may be a bit fuzzy, but the two tunnels you are reffering two barely count, the first was, if I remember correctly merely the coaster house, and the second was just where the track happened to travel under the que an into the station. Both of which were merely the track going through a building, when I think of a mine train tunnel, I think something at least vaguely resembling a mine shaft. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From serpmage@juno.com Sun Oct 28 22:39:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 06:39:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 45728 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 06:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 06:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 06:39:17 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAINC4JfOtw8xYDysWR2hvoOjHthCxk6yQg=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GJV9XF2J; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:38:18 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:37:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] IAAPA info. Message-ID: <20011029.013730.-116505.4.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7,12-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > Is this for anyone who registers or is it an exclusive thing? I'm > probably > the only one on the list who's attended a whopping 0 coaster events, > it's > pretty degrading. Don't feel bad, I've never been to any real events either except for the media stuff for Kraken (but I was working that, not playing) Anyway, I was wondering from anyone if there was a way to get into the conference center without paying the $350 registration fee, maybe a $20 or $30 fee to walk around for just one day or something? The registration for the whole week is a bit out of my price range as well as a bit inpractical for a full time college student as myself. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Oct 29 01:13:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 09:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 51170 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 09:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 09:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/GdSFR8kS2xyeH4Teh0enDVjyBPx3EBu+"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJWJSREX; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:13:01 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:24:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Magnum- bring the hype Message-ID: <20011029.030521.-292707.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-24,27-29,39-40,43 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > > I agree, but I do think there is a story here and > > > that is what Cedar Point's marketing team did with > > > the 200-foot concept. They turned a coaster which > > > would have been a big pull into a legendary one. > >And that is, no doubt, very true. But does that make > >Magnum a "unique" ride? No, I wouldn't think so. > >Many say that SFMM's Collossus is the most > >photographed/filmed coaster on the planet (due to its > >proximity to Hollywood) but that doesn't make that > >ride unique, either. CP may have done a great job > >advertising, but that doesn't make the ride original > >at all. > I do not believe I said that made it original, Nate. > What I meant was, if I came away from the park > respecting anything about Magnum (including the > design), it was the PR behind it. But, talk alone > does not make a coaster important and I agree that the > hype shoved down our throat is quite excessive and > does not turn the coaster into something that deserves > tons of respect. I think respecting the job a PR > dept. did and saying a coaster was a watershed in the > industry are two different things. This topic started with a debate over whether Magnum was original/unique or not, so that's where my response came from. Sorry if it came off the wrong way. :-) A few more thoughts on this, though... Though Cedar Point certainly did an awesome job with PR for this ride, I'm almost more inclined to believe all they hype came from enthusiasts rather than the park itself. Magnum is still topping charts today (13 operating years later) and I always wonder why people actually vote for Magnum so much. Perhaps there are those out there who really enjoy the ride, perhaps most consider the coaster to have some sort of sentimental value, or perhaps the case is just that more people have ridden Magnum than other coasters (which is the #1 flaw with coaster polls). Most likely it's a combination of all three, but I still don't get it. But I suppose I never really will. :-) -Nate (who, sadly, took his last ride of the season tonight. Luckily, it was on Deja Vu so I can remember it for months. Deja Vu - get it??!! Hahahahaha) coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Oct 29 01:13:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 53831 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 09:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 09:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 09:13:24 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/GdSFR8kS2xw2h+8WxSoXfObp6GudiNTB"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJWJSRHQ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:13:01 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:41:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <20011029.030521.-292707.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Whizzer - PGA (What year did this close anyway?) RCDB says 1988. SFGAm's Whizzer is the only speedracer left, correct? -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Oct 29 01:13:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18771 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 09:13:25 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/GdSFR8kS2xx3ZdonAmSSa4ZTt75SSi+M"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJWJSRFV; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 04:13:01 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:39:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Coasters called "Viper" Message-ID: <20011029.030521.-292707.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-15,17-19 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Kind of interesting.........both of the coasters on my "Ridden, > then > removed" list were reborn elswhere, and both were renamed Viper. > > How many coasters out there have that name, anyway?? According to RCDB ( www.rcdb.com ), there were eight until recently: -Barry Island Pleasure Park (Pinfari Galaxy model) -Lightwater Valley (Schwarzkopf City Jet model) -Six Flags Astroworld (Schwarzkopf looping star) -Six Flags Darien Lake (Arrow 5-looper) -Six Flags Great Adventure (SBNO Togo heartline twister) -Six Flags Great America (In-house wooden Cy-clone) -Six Flags Magic Mountain (Arrow 7-inversion megalooper) -Six Flags over Georgia (Removed Schwarzkopf shuttle loop) It's interesting that Schwarzkopf holds the record for having built the most Vipers. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From lance@screamscape.com Mon Oct 29 04:27:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 12:27:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 61606 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 12:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 12:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 12:27:40 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15yBVx-0007hR-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:27:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c16075$248f5d60$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20011028.205533.-1584539.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:27:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > Roller Coaster - At the now closed Marshal Scotty's/ Frasier's > > Frontier park > > in San Diego,CA > > What was this one? Was it the kiddie coaster? Yes, it was the kiddie coaster. It was just called Roller Coaster long ago I think, but is it Little Dipper now or something else? (I mean, just before it closed?) From lets_go_caps@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 06:14:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lets_go_caps@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 14:14:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 91739 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 14:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 14:14:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 14:14:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: lets_go_caps@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by n10.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2001 14:14:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:14:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <9rjo8m+sdac@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <003201c15fbf$ff0cb660$2eb1220c@lorenzer> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1645 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 166.94.47.253 From: lets_go_caps@hotmail.com X-Yahoo-Profile: caps_fan_2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "Jon Zerkel" wrote: > Which coasters have you ridden, once upon a time, that have since been demolished, removed, or relocated? > Being a Virginia native, all of mine are from 2 local parks. The first 2 are from PKD. The first one is the King Cobra, which is basically the same design as the former Viper from SFoG. The second is the Galaxy, which is basically like Wildcat from CP. I believe both were demolished. The King Cobra due to numerous malfunctions (such as the train getting stuck upside-down in the loop), and the Galaxy because a few people actually fell out of it and died (there were no restraints at all on it). If I'm wrong about this information, someone (Adam?) please correct me. The Anaconda now stands where the Cobra used to be, and Shockwave now stands where the Galaxy used to reside. The other demolished coaster I rode was at Wild World/Adventure World (now SFA). I believe it was also called the Viper (whoever posted it was right...there are ALOT of coasters called that). It had the same priciple as the former Viper at SFoG, except it was launched from the top of the first platform, then down a hill and through the loop and up the other side onto another platform where the train stopped. Then it was shuttle launched backwards. It didn't use gravity to send it backward through the process. This was demolished once SFA took over the park, but I don't know why. Maybe it was because of the hellacious walk up a whole mess of stairs to get to the platform. They needed a stinkin' elevator to get up to that thing! -Greg Mumma From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 07:18:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 15:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 95052 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 15:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 15:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.58) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 15:18:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20011029151810.48715.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.196] by web11606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:18:10 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:18:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9rjo8m+sdac@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Gustavo Queiroz > The other demolished coaster I rode was at Wild > World/Adventure World > (now SFA). I believe it was also called the Viper > (whoever posted it > was right...there are ALOT of coasters called that). Wasn't that Python instead of VIper? A yellow track Arrow Dynamics shuttle loop? Gustavo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Oct 29 10:13:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 18:13:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 57116 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 18:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 18:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 18:13:58 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.e.14c6d385 (15857) for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web30.aolmail.aol.com (web30.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.6]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINID58-1029131356; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:13:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:13:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: question about cp rumor... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk <> suuure...go right ahead. Just make sure George doesn't hear ya :) -Josh From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 11:15:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 19:15:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 95147 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 19:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 19:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20605.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 19:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20011029191539.3289.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.54.194] by web20605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:15:39 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:15:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9rjo8m+sdac@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- lets_go_caps@hotmail.com wrote: > The other demolished coaster I rode was at Wild > World/Adventure World > (now SFA). I believe it was also called the Viper Like Gustavo said, it was actually called the Python (still a snake, speaking of snakes, HOW BOUT DEM D'BACKS?!?). Though big G thinks it was yellow, I've seen the pieces of the ride and it was a light blue like Drachen Fire. This was > demolished once SFA > took over the park, but I don't know why. Maybe it > was because of > the hellacious walk up a whole mess of stairs to get > to the > platform. They needed a stinkin' elevator to get up > to that thing! The reason Python was taken down was due to a really stupid rule Prince George's County (where SFA is located) has that says SFA's coaster count can only increase by ONE in any given year. Thus in order to install TWO coasters, they had to take out one. Two-Face stands where Python was. For my moved/destroyed coasters I have: JetScream (funny, it was my first *real* coaster, my nickname is Jet, and it *DID* make me scream!) Rolling Thunder (SFGAm) Galaxy (Santa's Village, Illinois) Corkscrew (KBF) Whizzer (SFGAm...whoops! Not *quite* yet hehehehe) jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Mon Oct 29 13:52:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 21:52:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 70437 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 21:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 21:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 21:52:24 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.118]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:52:09 -0600 Message-ID: <004d01c160c4$ab1c4e20$76b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011029191539.3289.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:57:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Norris" > For my moved/destroyed coasters I have: > JetScream (funny, it was my first *real* coaster, my > nickname is Jet, and it *DID* make me scream!) > Rolling Thunder (SFGAm) > Galaxy (Santa's Village, Illinois) > Corkscrew (KBF) > Whizzer (SFGAm...whoops! Not *quite* yet hehehehe) Jeremy.......just curious......if you rode Rolling Thunder when it was at SFGrAm, wouldn't you also have ridden Tidal Wave when it was at the same park? --Jon Z. From jzerkel@effingham.net Mon Oct 29 13:58:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 21:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 18975 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 21:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 21:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 21:58:20 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.118]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:58:04 -0600 Message-ID: <007801c160c5$7f309a40$76b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011029.030521.-292707.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Coasters called "Viper" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:03:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate K." > > How many coasters out there have that name, anyway?? > > According to RCDB ( www.rcdb.com ), there were eight until recently: > -Barry Island Pleasure Park (Pinfari Galaxy model) > -Lightwater Valley (Schwarzkopf City Jet model) > -Six Flags Astroworld (Schwarzkopf looping star) > -Six Flags Darien Lake (Arrow 5-looper) > -Six Flags Great Adventure (SBNO Togo heartline twister) > -Six Flags Great America (In-house wooden Cy-clone) > -Six Flags Magic Mountain (Arrow 7-inversion megalooper) > -Six Flags over Georgia (Removed Schwarzkopf shuttle loop) > > It's interesting that Schwarzkopf holds the record for having built the > most Vipers. I would think you'd have to make that list at least 9..........Viper at SFGrAm, right? --Jon Z. From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Oct 29 14:57:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 22:57:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 82555 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 22:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 22:57:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 22:57:41 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWjWsqoSIQUUe1fFwMmlo5d2bTmPu9lo9mw=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJXZWLQ4; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:56:31 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:54:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <20011029.145433.-1350733.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15,19-21 From: Xcoaster@juno.com On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:27:57 -0500 "Lance Hart" writes: > > > Roller Coaster - At the now closed Marshal Scotty's/ Frasier's > > > Frontier park > > > in San Diego,CA > > > > What was this one? Was it the kiddie coaster? > > Yes, it was the kiddie coaster. It was just called Roller Coaster > long ago I > think, > but is it Little Dipper now or something else? (I mean, just before > it > closed?) Yeah, the last few years it was called "the Little Dipper". Kinda contrasts with "The Giant Dipper" down the road. I wish there was some way I could contact them to see about getting it. It's so sad driving by it everyday with the train just partially out of the station. *Sigh*. Ryan S. 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From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Oct 29 15:00:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 23:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 74326 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 23:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 23:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 23:00:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/x06PzLxV4HYH0BVY5hXYkK+iiNa1CKwK"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJXZ4HX6; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:59:44 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:52:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Coasters called "Viper" Message-ID: <20011029.165207.-275849.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > > How many coasters out there have that name, anyway?? > > > > According to RCDB ( www.rcdb.com ), there were eight until > recently: > > -Barry Island Pleasure Park (Pinfari Galaxy model) > > -Lightwater Valley (Schwarzkopf City Jet model) > > -Six Flags Astroworld (Schwarzkopf looping star) > > -Six Flags Darien Lake (Arrow 5-looper) > > -Six Flags Great Adventure (SBNO Togo heartline twister) > > -Six Flags Great America (In-house wooden Cy-clone) > > -Six Flags Magic Mountain (Arrow 7-inversion megalooper) > > -Six Flags over Georgia (Removed Schwarzkopf shuttle loop) > > > > It's interesting that Schwarzkopf holds the record for having > built the > > most Vipers. > I would think you'd have to make that list at least 9..........Viper > at > SFGrAm, right? Viper at SFGAm is number 6 - see the list above again. :-) -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 15:55:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 29 Oct 2001 23:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 66984 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2001 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2001 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.118) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2001 23:55:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:55:16 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:55:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Great Escape (was top ten lists) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:55:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 23:55:16.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[289CF4C0:01C160D5] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Is that where the little non-working train was? That train (with the fake >tunnel) always amused me, because it proudly proclaimed in writing on the >side that it was from "Upper Jay" New York. What exactly is the "vintage >ride" they put there? Hmmm, I'm not sure. It's nestled right up against the castle's moat. It's called "The Blue Goose" or something like that. Apparently it was originally at The Great Escape, then Mr. Wood moved it to Gaslight Village. The Great Escape bought it at the auction and reconstructed it this year. There's a sign at the entrance that details the whole story. >*sigh* Another upcharge attraction.... How tall is this Skycoaster? 165 feet. Apparently that's the hight limit. You can't see it from Route 9. However, I bet you'll be able to see it in the winter, when all the leaves are gone. It really does look cool, I'm glad they built it. It's the first step in the long-term expansion project. They don't have nearly any upcharge attractions there. >That's a bit of a relief. We'll plan to go next season. Hopefully there will be a new ride for you to enjoy! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 16:21:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 00:21:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 97234 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 00:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 00:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.121) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 00:21:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030002102.58355.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.171.208.228] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:21:02 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:21:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Great Escape (was top ten lists) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Hmmm, I'm not sure. It's nestled right up against >the castle's moat. It's called "The Blue Goose" or >something like that. Apparently it was originally at >The Great Escape, then Mr. Wood moved it to Gaslight >Village. The Great Escape bought it at the auction >and reconstructed it this year. There's a sign at >the entrance that details the whole story. From AB, Oct 2, 2000: "A circa-1935 Allan Herschell Blue Goose kiddie ride was sold to Six Flags for $38,500. The company plans to put it back into the Great Escape, where it was an original ride when the park was opened by Wood in 1953." That's all the info. I have on it. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 16:29:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 00:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 10822 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 00:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 00:29:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.106) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 00:29:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:29:26 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:29:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:29:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 00:29:26.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE412120:01C160D9] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >The King Cobra due to numerous malfunctions >(such as the train getting stuck upside-down in the loop), and the >Galaxy because a few people actually fell out of it and died (there >were no restraints at all on it). If I'm wrong about this >information, someone (Adam?) please correct me. The Anaconda now Those are purely urban legends! >The other demolished coaster I rode was at Wild World/Adventure World >(now SFA). I believe it was also called the Viper (whoever posted it >was right...there are ALOT of coasters called that). It had the same That was called The Python. Here's my list- Python (formely Lightnin' Loops)- Adventure World/Six Flags America Black Widow Loop Coaster- Riverside/Six Flags New England Steel Phantom- Kennywood Coaster- The Great Escape (Galaxy) Jet Star- Casino Pier And hopefully- Viper- Six Flags Great Adventure -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 16:38:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 00:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 7413 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 00:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 00:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.170) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 00:38:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:38:02 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:38:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:38:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 00:38:02.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[21DB77A0:01C160DB] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros > Like Gustavo said, it was actually called the Python >(still a snake, speaking of snakes, HOW BOUT DEM >D'BACKS?!?). Though big G thinks it was yellow, I've >seen the pieces of the ride and it was a light blue >like Drachen Fire. It was yellow, though. They painted it a few years before they removed it. > The reason Python was taken down was due to a really >stupid rule Prince George's County (where SFA is >located) has that says SFA's coaster count can only >increase by ONE in any given year. Thus in order to >install TWO coasters, they had to take out one. >Two-Face stands where Python was. Whaaaaat? Is that for real? That doesn't seem logical to me. The planning board might have a lot of influence, but I hope they don't have that much influence! I think they just wanted to replace an old coaster with an updated version. They didn't really need Python if they were going to build Two-Face. The same thing happened at Riverside/SFNE... except in that case, they replace a decrepit shuttle with another decrepit shuttle. I bet another thing that had to do with its removal was the fact that it wasn't handicap accessible. They probably didn't want to spend the money to make it accessible to wheelchairs and the such. I don't think I buy the planning board limit story! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 16:40:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 00:40:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 41488 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 00:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 00:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.121) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 00:40:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030004038.61206.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.161.210.119] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:40:37 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:40:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Being a Virginia native, all of mine are from 2 local >parks. The first 2 are from PKD. The first one is >the King Cobra, which is basically the same design as >the former Viper from SFoG. The second is the >Galaxy, which is basically like Wildcat from CP. I >believe both were demolished. King Kobra- The first Schwarzkopf shuttle loop, a weight-dropped version. PKD-1977-86 Jolly Roger Park-87-89 Alton Towers (as Thunderlooper)-90-96 Hopi Hair (Katapult)-99-present Galaxi- PKD- 70's-83 ?-97 Myrtle Beach Pavillion As Chris said, the horror stories are seemingly just that, stories. Some dates from RCDB. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 16:56:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 00:56:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 76715 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 00:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 00:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20608.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.166) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 00:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030005636.68099.qmail@web20608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.83.202] by web20608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:56:36 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:56:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c160c4$ab1c4e20$76b1220c@lorenzer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Jon Zerkel wrote: > Jeremy.......just curious......if you rode Rolling > Thunder when it was at > SFGrAm, wouldn't you also have ridden Tidal Wave > when it was at the same > park? I *could* have ridden Tidal Wave @ SFGAm. SFGAm was my homepark from 1976 - 1999. However, I was WAY to chicken to ride any coaster that went backwards. Funny aside, I had finally decided to "bite the bullet" and ride Tidal Wave for Physics Day in 1992, but lo and behold it was gone and in its place was the veritable Batman: The Ride. So long story short, I never rode it. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 17:03:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 01:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 79136 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 01:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 01:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.158) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 01:02:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030010238.91602.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.83.202] by web20602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:02:38 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Chris Kearsing wrote: > > The reason Python was taken down was due to a > really > >stupid rule Prince George's County (where SFA is > >located) has that says SFA's coaster count can only > >increase by ONE in any given year. Thus in order > to > >install TWO coasters, they had to take out one. > >Two-Face stands where Python was. > > Whaaaaat? Is that for real? > > That doesn't seem logical to me. The planning board > might have a lot of > influence, but I hope they don't have that much > influence! You can think what you want, but I have it on good faith (from Sam Marks of the Coaster Zombies) that this was the case. All "word of mouth" must be taken with a grain of salt. But based on his relationship with the park, I doubt that he would spread falsities. > I think they just wanted to replace an old coaster > with an updated version. > They didn't really need Python if they were going to > build Two-Face. [SNIP] > I bet another thing that had to do with its removal > was the fact that it > wasn't handicap accessible. They probably didn't > want to spend the money to > make it accessible to wheelchairs and the such. I > don't think I buy the > planning board limit story! I believe you are correct in saying that they wanted to bring in a new version of a ride. But the story still goes that coaster count can only increase by one (not so far fetched IMO). Until SFA increases their coaster count by more than one in any given season, the story still holds water. Again, I consider the source and for that reason lend it more credibility. jeremy --signing off to watch 'Boston Public' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From thosechickasaws@aol.com Mon Oct 29 18:04:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THOSECHICKASAWS@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 02:04:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 74658 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 02:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 02:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 02:04:42 -0000 Received: from THOSECHICKASAWS@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.110.78f152d (30970) for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:04:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <110.78f152d.290f64b4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:04:36 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: thosechickasaws@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thosechickasaws Much to the embarrassment of my friends, on Sunday's SFGAdv. trip I asked a few employees about the future, as do many of you, I'm sure. Two elderly women didn't know of the plans, but the other young employee raved about how GASM, Rolling Thunder, and VIPER are being removed for next year, which is quite understandable. He said that the new coaster would replace GASM, at the entrance. Still, when I asked him how he knew, he looked slightly stunned, and them replied, "I used to work inside the park." (He was at the parking tram.) "But still how do you know? Where do you get this information?" "I used to work in the park!" So I said, "I mean, who tells you this?" He smiled, and slowly added, "We get little papers." Hmm ... although the information sounds valid, I'm not convinced of his knowledge. Does anyone else know about employee knowledge? Anyone worked at a SF park? Allah Bless America!!!!!! -Ahmed PS: NITRO RULES! (Not over any Intamin hypers, but all of the B&Ms. Farther updates soon...) From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 18:09:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 02:09:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 30686 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 02:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 02:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20409.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.128) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 02:09:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030020938.71945.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.161.73.104] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:09:38 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: IAAPA info. To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy First Mark wrote: > Is this for anyone who registers or is it an >exclusive thing? I'm probably the only one on the >list who's attended a whopping 0 coaster events, > it's pretty degrading. It is really no big deal. I did not attend any until the 2000 season (3) and then I visited four this year. Of those, only one, PPP, was something I traveled more than a couple hours to. But, IAAPA is not really a "coaster event." Instead, it is a business convention that has to do with amusement parks. It is very different than traditional coaster events, in fact, people who came and act as "enthusiasses" are really not liked by the industry. The Tim wrote: >Anyway, I was wondering from anyone if there was a >way to get into the conference center without paying >the $350 registration fee, maybe a $20 or $30 fee to >walk around for just one day or something? The >registration for the whole week is a bit out of my >price range as well as a bit inpractical for a full >time college student as myself. Today I asked a friend of mine who is attending as a visitor how he is getting in for one day, I will be sure to post if there is a "one day" option not listed. Since there does seem to be some interest about attending IAAPA, here are a few pointers for anyone attending (and these are not directed towards any one person)- -look nice, don't show up in a coaster t-shirt and shorts, people are dressed for business -since people are conducting business, don't cut into a conversation if a rep. is busy, you never know who they are talking to and what it is about -don't feel the need to take every brochure in site. Generally manufacturers want you to have them, just "read the crowd" and see what others are coming away with -don't gush: no one (including me :) want to hear about why you like coaster A above coaster B -don't ask "what are you doing next year," they have not annouced it yet, so they are definitley not going to let you be the first to know -don't disrespect other people in the show, the ole' golden rule still applies -Do enjoy a ride on the magical midway. The rides are set up for everyone to try out. As long as you are not pushy you should be able to take a spin on anything a manufacturer has set up. It is neat to take a ride on a contraption where the operator has the same name as on the manufacturer's plate -Do have a good time. I am attending for the first time this year, although it will be more work than fun, and cannot wait to get a ride on the Montic SCAD tower and a Turbo Force. If these recommendations sound a bit harsh, IAAPA has discussed not allowing enthusiasts several times because of problems caused by a few indiviuals. As long as you are not "that guy" you should have a great time should you choose to visit. In addition, I beleive you need to be a member of ACE or NAPHA to get in, because only members of clubs (who, in turn are members of IAAPA) can get in. Again, sorry to sound so harsh, but past events have warranted it. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From IOASpiderman@aol.com Mon Oct 29 18:13:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 02:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 93795 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 02:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 02:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 02:12:48 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.d1.ea80d09 (4188) for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:12:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:12:43 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << Much to the embarrassment of my friends, on Sunday's SFGAdv. trip I asked a few employees about the future, as do many of you, I'm sure. Two elderly women didn't know of the plans, but the other young employee raved about how GASM, Rolling Thunder, and VIPER are being removed for next year, which is quite understandable. He said that the new coaster would replace GASM, at the entrance. Still, when I asked him how he knew, he looked slightly stunned, and them replied, "I used to work inside the park." (He was at the parking tram.) "But still how do you know? Where do you get this information?" "I used to work in the park!" So I said, "I mean, who tells you this?" He smiled, and slowly added, "We get little papers." Hmm ... although the information sounds valid, I'm not convinced of his knowledge. Does anyone else know about employee knowledge? Anyone worked at a SF park? >> THREE coasters? Doubtful. I would say that Viper will be the first to go, but dont expect the others to soon follow. GASM still gives a good ride, and seems to still be pretty popular with the GP. Likewise, Rolling thunder is still pretty popular and is the only wood coaster in the park. I keep praying that Rolling thunder will get a much needed paint job and track re-working. And if they dont let the tracks bone dry (like they are doing now), Rolling thunder could be great. And just because it is Six Flags doesnt mean it cant be done. Somehow, the woodies at SFA were running wonderfully when I went there. Especially the Wild One... it was unbeleivably smooth. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 18:46:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 02:46:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 93411 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 02:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 02:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.153) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 02:46:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:46:24 -0800 Received: from 64.12.103.176 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:46:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.103.176] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:46:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 02:46:24.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[10653B70:01C160ED] From: "Jeremy Daniels" > > Whizzer - PGA (What year did this close anyway?) > >RCDB says 1988. > >SFGAm's Whizzer is the only speedracer left, correct? > >-Nate >coasterdude18@juno.com Nate... if you put on a helmet you can be Speedracer! jk whizzer is one of SFGram's best rides... better then the ol' bull.... sorry but that's all i have to say jeremy d. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Oct 29 20:58:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 04:58:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 84814 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 04:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 04:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 04:58:38 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.103.b4c2332 (4332) for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:58:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.b4c2332.290f8d79@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:58:33 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll..... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/29/2001 2:16:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, scrunch17@yahoo.com writes: > like Drachen Fire. > Speaking Of Drachen Fire. Add this one to my list of SBNO coasters ridden. -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 21:33:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 05:33:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 83250 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 05:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 05:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.125) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 05:33:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030053315.55195.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.141.119.205] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:33:15 PST Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:33:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: More IAAPA info. To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Hey all, I just heard some additional info. Apparently if you are an ACE (or NAPHA, I am assuming) member, you get in for the IAAPA member rate of (circa $50) instead of the couple hundred. Your best bet is probably to contact HQ or your local rep. with questions. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From rablat5@juno.com Mon Oct 29 21:52:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 05:52:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 4416 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 05:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 05:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m9.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.72) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 05:52:35 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"LbyvYS7lTUiyQZl1okOiGm+kNkZMPOSVyUabdtffRvI464ACoTHKug=="> Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by m9.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJYRP24W; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:52:22 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:38:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <20011030.005056.-3872233.0.rablat5@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,21-26,28 From: Benjamin R Ashley X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 <> Well, Chris, it's what I've heard myself. Jeremy said something about hearing it from Sam, and I think that I heard it from someone else, perhaps a certain Daniel Northover. Anyhow, though it may seem strange, it seems to be holding true. In 1999, SFA received 3 new coasters, but 2 were removed (Python & Cannonball). Since then, we have only received 1 new coaster each year. And it seems to have held true in the past, though I don't know what year Cannonball was put in. Sure, TF is probabaly a good coaster replacement for Python. One other thing that I heard or read somewhere is that as part of the Lightnin' Loops settlement or whatever, the coaster could no longer stand in a Six Flags park. Well, what do ya know? As part of the transformation from AW to SFA, Python was taken down! I'm not sure if this story is true, but the planning board thing might seem believable. There is at least 1 neighbor that has griped about noise from Joker's Jinx, and may have been concerned about SROS's noise as well. SFA erected SROS's first drop as being aimed towards the park so that the noise would go in that direction. SFA has the planning board and the neighbor (or neighbors) to deal with, but at least they've been more successful than GE with the locals : ) Ben Ashley Webmaster--CoasterPICS! www.coasterpics.f2s.com "So ya want thrills? Get God and your life will NEVER be the same!" -- Ben Ashley ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bigbadblp@yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 22:44:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bigbadblp@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 06:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 29907 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 06:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 06:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 06:44:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bigbadblp@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.1.35] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2001 06:44:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:44:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stratosphere Needs Your Help Message-ID: <9rli7j+ujm9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3559 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.19.20.171 From: "Bruce Prieur" X-Yahoo-Profile: bigbadblp I received this email from the Public Relations manager of the Stratosphere Tower. For those interested, maybe you can help! The email links within this post DO NOT work. If you want to email the parties involved, see the link at the bottom of this message. ---------------------------- Stratosphere Needs Your Help Show Your Support For The World's Tallest and Fastest Thrill Ride Dear Coaster Enthusiast, The Stratosphere Casino Hotel and Tower needs your support for the World's Tallest and Fastest Thrill Ride. We need e-mails of support sent to the Las Vegas City Council as soon as possible. The Stratosphere already has the world's highest thrill rides including the Big Shot and the High Roller, and is currently in the process of proposing the world's tallest and fastest thrill ride to the Las Vegas City Council. Your involvement is necessary to see that the proposal gets passed. The attraction is currently being developed by Arrow Dynamics, Inc. which has built some of the most exciting thrill rides all over the globe, including the Viper at Six Flags Magic Mountain located in Valencia, California and the Pepsi Max Big One at Blackpool Pleasure Beach in England. The proposed amusement attraction will consist of a steel structure that rises up 740 feet on the east side of the tower. Riders will be raised in a passenger car via an elevator that faces south. The car they ride in will be turned to the east once they reach the top of the ride staging area (at over 700 feet). The car will free fall 204 feet and reach speeds of approximately 122 miles per hour before the track starts curving outward and crosses Las Vegas Blvd. The car will then ascend up a (416-foot) tower that will be built on Stratosphere's property across from the Tower and then return to the loading area. A handful of neighbors are opposed to the development and construction of the ride and currently have the ear of the city officials. Also, there are officials who believe that roller coaster enthusiasts are an unsavory element and are not the type of people you want visiting the property. We must prove them wrong! We are asking every coaster enthusiast in the world to e-mail Mayor Oscar Goodman's office to show support for the proposed attraction to see that it becomes a reality. The e-mail address is mayor- ogoodman@ci.las-vegas.nv.us Also, please send your support letter to Councilman Gary Reese. His e-mail address is councilman-greese@ci.las- vegas.nv.us We are also asking that you BLAST this e-mail to any and everyone you know TODAY that would support the attraction and have them e-mail their letters of support to the City Council. Together, we will take thrill rides to the next dimension! We are under a tight deadline. The City Council meeting is scheduled for November 7, 2001 at 1 p.m. We will need as many e-mail support letters as possible before that time. If you are going to be in the Las Vegas area we would love to have you attend the City Council Meeting at City Hall. Also, please take the time to copy your support letter to thrillride@stratospherehotel.com Once again, the Stratosphere is working hard to make this happen and we appreciate your support. If you have any questions feel free to contact Ryan Haddad, Marketing Coordinator at (702)-383-5382 or e-mail at the above address. Thank you again. Sincerely, Mike Gilmartin Public Relations Manager --------------------------- Email links that work are available here: http://www.rollercoasterking.com/index1.htm From lets_go_caps@hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 04:52:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lets_go_caps@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 12:52:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 86207 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 12:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 12:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 12:52:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: lets_go_caps@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.133] by n5.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2001 12:52:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:52:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Message-ID: <9rm7pp+lhed@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 166.94.47.253 From: lets_go_caps@hotmail.com X-Yahoo-Profile: caps_fan_2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "Chris Kearsing" wrote: > > >The King Cobra due to numerous malfunctions > >(such as the train getting stuck upside-down in the loop), and the > >Galaxy because a few people actually fell out of it and died (there > >were no restraints at all on it). If I'm wrong about this > >information, someone (Adam?) please correct me. The Anaconda now > > Those are purely urban legends! I was actually there one time when the Cobra was stuck upside-down in the loop. I don't think there were any people on it (it was the beginning of the day, probably test runs, and I was all of about 10 years old, so the memory is a little fuzzy), but I witnessed it upside down in the loop first hand. You're probably right on the Galaxy story, though, seeing as how I don't remember hearing anything about it on the news. > >The other demolished coaster I rode was at Wild World/Adventure World > >(now SFA). I believe it was also called the Viper (whoever posted it > >was right...there are ALOT of coasters called that). It had the same > > That was called The Python. > I stand corrected :) -Greg Mumma From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 05:57:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 13:57:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 91784 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 13:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 13:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.125) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 13:57:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030135733.3578.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.142.93.22] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 05:57:33 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 05:57:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >One other thing that I heard or read somewhere is >that as part of the Lightnin' Loops settlement or >whatever, the coaster could no longer stand in a Six >Flags park. Well, what do ya know? As part of the >transformation from AW to SFA, Python was taken down! But, wasn't SFA owned by Premier (technically Six Flags) before it got the Six Flags monickier? In addition, one half is running today at Frontier City. Although the park is not called by Six Flags, it is owned by Six Flags and I think a lawyer would not see a difference between being owned by Six Flags and being a SF park. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 06:07:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 14:07:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 34288 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 14:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 14:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.125) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 14:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030140743.6987.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.142.93.22] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:07:43 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:07:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Stratosphere Needs Your Help To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >The attraction is currently being developed by Arrow >Dynamics, Inc. which has built some of the most >exciting thrill rides all over the globe, including >the Viper at Six Flags Magic Mountain located in >Valencia, California and the Pepsi Max Big One at >Blackpool Pleasure Beach in England. Designers of Pepsi Max, wow, there's some incentive. >The proposed amusement attraction will consist of a >steel structure that rises up 740 feet on the east >side of the tower. Riders will be raised in a >passenger car via an elevator that faces >south. The car they ride in will be turned to the >east once they reach the top of the ride staging area >(at over 700 feet). I have not viscious to Arrow in the past, but this just sounds like a bad idea. A 700-foot prototype, I guess it would debut around 2010. >Also, there are officials who believe that roller >coaster enthusiasts are an unsavory element and are >not the type of people you want visiting the >property. We must prove them wrong! This sounds like someone got a shovel and is piling it high. I would be a bit more inclined to believe this if there was any sort of quote or mention of anyone. This just seems more like a statement meant to inflame and urge us into writing as opposed to something based in fact. I doubt many local officials even know who enthusiasts are, we are such a TINY part of their economic base, I don't even think they should care. Bruce, I don't want it to sound like I am ripping into you, but Mike at Stratosphere seems to be blowing a lot of smoke up our collective *****. Besides, now we can just argue over whether or not this is a coaster :) Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 06:10:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 14:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 38301 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 14:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 14:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20603.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.161) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 14:10:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20011030141050.96172.qmail@web20603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.87.140] by web20603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:10:50 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:10:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011030135733.3578.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Adam Sandy wrote: > >One other thing that I heard or read somewhere is > >that as part of the Lightnin' Loops settlement or > >whatever, the coaster could no longer stand in a > Six > >Flags park. Well, what do ya know? As part of the > >transformation from AW to SFA, Python was taken > down! > > But, wasn't SFA owned by Premier (technically Six > Flags) before it got the Six Flags monickier? In > addition, one half is running today at Frontier > City. > Although the park is not called by Six Flags, it is > owned by Six Flags and I think a lawyer would not > see > a difference between being owned by Six Flags and > being a SF park. Well, it depends on how the settlement was written. It is *possible* for it to be written in such a way that SFA would be excluded and Frontier City allowed. For example, if the exact writing said "a Six Flags Theme Park", then clearly FC would be okay as every paper put out by SF inc states that FC is NOT a SF theme park. By maybe our resident 'legal expert' Bill C would be better equiped to answer this "hypothetical" situation. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Tue Oct 30 06:31:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 14:31:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 79548 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 14:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 14:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 14:31:32 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id IAA26087; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:31:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:31:25 -0600 Message-Id: <200110301431.IAA26087@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Coasters called "Viper" X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 208.14.16.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" > > Kind of interesting.........both of the coasters on my "Ridden, > > then > > removed" list were reborn elswhere, and both were renamed Viper. > According to RCDB ( www.rcdb.com ), there were eight until recently: ... When was it removed?? It was there in June of 2001? > -Six Flags over Georgia (Removed Schwarzkopf shuttle loop) > > It's interesting that Schwarzkopf holds the record for having built the > most Vipers. > > -Nate > coasterdude18@juno.com Dave Rounds From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Oct 30 08:05:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 16:05:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 52689 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 16:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 16:05:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.128) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 16:05:21 -0000 Received: (cpmta 20269 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 08:05:20 -0800 Date: 30 Oct 2001 08:05:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20011030160520.20268.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Oct 2001 16:05:20 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 30 Oct 2001 08:05:19 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hmmmm...let's see if I can joggle my memory.... Mountain Park's Mountain Flyer (demolished) and their Schiff Kiddie Coaster (now supposedly in Saudi Arabia) Riverside's Kiddie Coaster (hopefully melted down), Black Widow (removed Arrow shuttle loop), Schwartzkopf Wildcat (removed) and their wooden Wild Mouse (removed) Kennywood's Steel Phantom (now of course Phantom's Revenge) Knoebel's Jet Star (removed) Plus countless carny coasters. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Oct 30 08:23:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 16:23:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 4815 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 16:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 16:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.128) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 16:23:49 -0000 Received: (cpmta 21105 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 08:23:48 -0800 Date: 30 Oct 2001 08:23:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20011030162348.21100.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Oct 2001 16:23:48 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 30 Oct 2001 08:23:48 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Great Escape From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Hmmm, I'm not sure. It's nestled right up against the castle's moat. It's > called "The Blue Goose" or something like that. Apparently it was > originally at The Great Escape, then Mr. Wood moved it to Gaslight Village. > The Great Escape bought it at the auction and reconstructed it this year. < That sounds like the Great Escape I love! > >*sigh* Another upcharge attraction....<< > They don't have nearly any upcharge attractions there.< Yeah, that came out wrong. I was directing that comment more at Six Flags as a whole. I don't have a problem with an upcharge if the gate price is kept low. But to pay $38 to get into a park (naturally with a season's pass it's not too bad), $9 for parking and then have to pay another $25 for a ride is a bit much. I know I don't have to ride the Skycoaster, and so I'm not forced into paying extra. But I'd expect exhorbitant per-ride charges from carnivals, not parks with a gate fee. Jay From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Oct 30 10:43:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 18:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 40684 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 18:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 18:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 18:43:15 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.11c.6aa73bd (4541) for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:43:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11c.6aa73bd.29104eb9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:43:05 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Stratosphere Needs Your Help To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 353 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/30/01 9:11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, afrsandy@yahoo.com writes: > I have not viscious to Arrow in the past, but this > just sounds like a bad idea. A 700-foot prototype, I > guess it would debut around 2010. > > AWESOME! they can have a "Media-Party" for the opening of that and X. -Josh :-D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 12:21:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 20:21:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 71752 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 20:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 20:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.203) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 20:21:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:21:01 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:21:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:21:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 20:21:01.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[64E0B240:01C16180] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >you this?" He smiled, and slowly added, "We get little papers." Hmm ... >although the information sounds valid, I'm not convinced of his knowledge. >Does anyone else know about employee knowledge? Anyone worked at a SF >park? Bah, that's a bunch of bull. The last I heard, they're not even removing VIPER. I don't know why people keep saying that they're removing Rolling Thunder. They're NOT! That poor thing will fall over before they take it down. As for a new coaster... I think I'm still right. No V2 next year, thankfully. >Allah Bless America!!!!!! And Canada! >PS: NITRO RULES! (Not over any Intamin hypers, but all of the B&Ms. Agreed. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Oct 30 12:25:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 20:25:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 30906 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 20:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 20:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 20:25:37 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.6f.1ce30ba1 (3967) for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:25:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f.1ce30ba1.291066bd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:25:33 EST Subject: NEWS : Rollercoaster.com up for sale on Ebay To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Hey guys, just thought I'd bring this to your attention. I found it interesting. Rollercoaster.com, the Domain only, AFAIK (the link says nothing about content) is up for sale again. This time for $50,000 on EBay. here's a link to the auction http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1291058231 if you can't see this link, http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1291058231 there it is. I'm not sure what's going on with the content. Jim? are you still here? care to elaborate? -Josh RCT Moderator From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 13:00:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 21:00:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 76670 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 21:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 21:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.191) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 21:00:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:00:27 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:00:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:00:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 21:00:27.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6A2D420:01C16185] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Well, Chris, it's what I've heard myself. Jeremy said something about >hearing it from Sam, and I think that I heard it from someone else, >perhaps a certain Daniel Northover. Anyhow, though it may seem strange, >it seems to be holding true. Ahh, now I really don't believe the story. :) I don't have much faith in the good word of Sam Marks. He'll say ANYTHING to defend that park. In 1999, SFA received 3 new coasters, but 2 >were removed (Python & Cannonball). Since then, we have only received 1 >new coaster each year. And it seems to have held true in the past, though >I don't know what year Cannonball was put in. Sure, TF is probabaly a >good coaster replacement for Python. Sure, that's all true. However, I just don't think the argument makes much sense. Why would the county want to limit their coaster count? They're obviously not concerned with the park building two coasters in one year, as they built three new coasters in 1999. If they're concerned with them expanding too quickly, they wouldn't have approved two new coasters in one year. Plus, they approved Joker's Jinx, with is a LOUD ride! One other thing that I heard or read >somewhere is that as part of the Lightnin' Loops settlement or whatever, >the coaster could no longer stand in a Six Flags park. Well, what do ya >know? As part of the transformation from AW to SFA, Python was taken >down! I'm not sure if this story is true, but the planning board thing >might seem believable. That's interesting. I don't believe it. :) When Six Flags sold Lightnin' Loops, I believe the parks were under Time Warner ownership. Time Warner is no longer in the picture. Premier Parks bought the old Lightnin' Loops coasters. They gave one to Frontier City, and the other to Adventure World. I bet Adventure World wasn't happy about losing that coin toss, because they got the ride that killed the girl. At this point, the rides were outdated and obsolete. Years later, Premier Parks bought Six Flags and adopted the name. They already owned the coaster, they wouldn't be forced to take the ride down just because they bought Six Flags! Plus, Frontier City *IS* a Six Flags park- in fact, that's where the Six Flags Corporate offices are located. >There is at least 1 neighbor that has griped about >noise from Joker's Jinx, and may have been concerned about SROS's noise >as well. SFA erected SROS's first drop as being aimed towards the park so >that the noise would go in that direction. SFA has the planning board and >the neighbor (or neighbors) to deal with, but at least they've been more >successful than GE with the locals : ) The Great Escape has resolved the issues with Queensbury! Their 5 year expanion plan has been approved. However, the height restriction is 165 feet. The biggest problem is The Alpine Bobsled. It's a loud ride, and the neighbors complain about that noise. That ride never operates. It can't operate in the rain or past 6PM. -Chris K- PS- Ben, I turned my phone on the other day for the first time in a while, and I got your text message! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 13:06:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 21:06:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 97385 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 21:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 21:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 21:06:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:06:06 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:06:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll...... Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:06:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 21:06:06.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[B112DD40:01C16186] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >I was actually there one time when the Cobra was stuck upside-down in >the loop. I don't think there were any people on it (it was the >beginning of the day, probably test runs, and I was all of about 10 >years old, so the memory is a little fuzzy), but I witnessed it >upside down in the loop first hand. You're probably right on the >Galaxy story, though, seeing as how I don't remember hearing anything >about it on the news. Are you sure you remember exactly? I just find it a little hard to believe, but it's surely possible. Rides being stuck upside down is a common urban legend, but it has happened. It did happen on a Schwarzkopf shuttle loop a few years ago, but that ride was loaded. Also, I have personally seen Volcano stuck upside-down. When I was there in 1998, they were testing all day. At the end of the night, the train was stuck upside-down (unloaded) in the first inversion! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Oct 30 13:42:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 21:42:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 32650 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 21:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 21:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp006pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.185) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 21:42:04 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id f9ULg2024144 Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:42:02 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BDF1FF3.974320EA@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:47:31 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS : Rollercoaster.com up for sale on Ebay References: <6f.1ce30ba1.291066bd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash MxPx2@aol.com wrote: > Hey guys, > just thought I'd bring this to your attention. > I found it interesting. Rollercoaster.com, the Domain only, AFAIK (the link > says nothing about content) is up for sale again. This time for $50,000 on > EBay. > > I'm not sure what's going on with the content. Jim? are you still here? care > to elaborate? > I haven't heard from Jim in a little while either. But I hope this isn't what it looks like. I know a lot of people were hoping for the return of World of Coasters, but Jim may have decided that it was just to much work for one person- especially as a hobby. Last I had heard he still had not had someone with good web programming skills step up to be a co-admin with him, though he had an overabundance of moderator volunteers. Jim?? Or Bill even? Are you willing to fill us in? keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Oct 30 15:41:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 30 Oct 2001 23:41:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 35550 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2001 23:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2001 23:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2001 23:41:07 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/oLqI5lfYQ+9Vn93fHwWYifjF4h83fNUu"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJ2NTVUQ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:40:31 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:40:38 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Coasters called "Viper" Message-ID: <20011030.174039.-271903.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-9 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > -Six Flags over Georgia (Removed Schwarzkopf shuttle loop) > When was it removed?? It was there in June of 2001? It gave its last rides September 16 during a sort of enthusiast farewell event. It was removed to make way for a new roller coaster (heavily rumored to be a B&M flyer). It's also rumored that Viper is being sent to SFA. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Tue Oct 30 16:25:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 00:25:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 29514 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 00:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 00:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apollo.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 00:25:33 -0000 Received: by apollo.thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:27:56 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Coaster-Talk (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Coasters called "Viper" Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:27:52 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Carrier, Michael" X-Yahoo-Profile: blue_eyed_tx_guy >rumored to be a B&M flyer). It's also rumored that Viper is being sent to SFA.< Viper going to SFA would make no sense. They already have both a shuttle coaster and a launched coaster (which presumably will become OTSR free next year). Then again, this IS the same SF who put 2 shuttle coasters into the always overcrowded Great America, so I probably shouldn't be surprised by anything they do. IMO, Viper should go to Kentucky Kingdom. They need another coaster badly and SF obviously isn't interested in splurging for new rides there. Plus it would compliment nicely what they already have. If not there, then I'd say Great Escape or Darien Lake. Mike From bill@childsfamily.com Tue Oct 30 17:54:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 49050 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 01:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 01:54:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bill@childsfamily.com Received: from [10.1.2.51] by n9.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2001 01:54:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:54:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS : Rollercoaster.com up for sale on Ebay Message-ID: <9rnll0+d9lu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3BDF1FF3.974320EA@verizon.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 988 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 138.88.83.146 From: "Bill Childs" X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., George Burnash wrote: > > I haven't heard from Jim in a little while either. But I hope this isn't what it looks like. I know a lot of people were hoping > for the return of World of Coasters, but Jim may have decided that it was just to much work for one person- especially as a > hobby. Last I had heard he still had not had someone with good web programming skills step up to be a co-admin with him, though > he had an overabundance of moderator volunteers. > > Jim?? Or Bill even? Are you willing to fill us in? Jim's basically testing the waters. He was disappointed in the lack of response on the programming/tech front. He's still interested in doing the site as a nonprofit, volunteer-powered site, and as such it would quickly be an outstanding site. The early coding work he's done is phenomenally cool, but he just can't do it himself. So, if the reserve price isn't met, we'll see what happens next. -B From CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com Tue Oct 30 17:57:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 01:57:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 55914 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 01:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 01:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 01:57:45 -0000 Received: from CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.2b.1d7cba16 (660) for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:57:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2b.1d7cba16.2910b48d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:57:33 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Stratosphere Needs Your Help To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterkinglvnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes i also heard this on our local news (www.kvbc.com) and told us about the plans and how people are voting for or against i definitely choose yes! I may be an employee at the tower this upcoming summer so look for me! john [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 20:45:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 04:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 86680 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 04:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 04:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20409.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.128) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 04:45:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20011031044509.58719.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.161.87.150] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:45:09 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:45:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: AIE (Cleveland) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Jay (and anyone else intersted)- I found the website for the teeter totter ride I was trying to describe. It is: http://www.interactiverides.com/ From what I have heard, I would be surprised if there was an Expo in 2003. The show was a bad idea to begin with, it now looks like it has run its course. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 20:53:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 04:53:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4590 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 04:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 04:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20407.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.126) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 04:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20011031045348.41587.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.161.87.150] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:53:48 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:53:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Huss rides To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Hey all- For anyone interested I uploaded Huss's new brochure to the RCT Yahoo website. To see it, go to Files and look in the Huss folder. My only request is that you do not repost these anywhere else on the net. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 21:52:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 05:52:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 39423 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 05:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 05:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20410.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.129) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 05:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20011031055232.39190.qmail@web20410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.169.214.117] by web20410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:52:32 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:52:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: Knoebels PPP, October 6, 2001 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The Place: Knoebels The Date: October 5 & 6, 2001 The Weather: A lot of sun, a little rain and some gusts of wind… The Reason I went: My first PPP! Wow, it has been close to a month since PPP. But, work and a worm that ate my hard drive got in my way. Never-the-less I am happy to have the time to sit down and write a trip report for this fun-filled event (for park specifics skip the next paragraph). Let me set the scene: I landed at 9 p.m. in Philadelphia. After heading over to Enterprise (thanks to everyone for the recommendations, they were affordable and easy to deal with) I hopped in my Neon and headed up the highway to a little town called Elysburg. I have to admit I was a little apprehensive as I turned off Interstate 78 onto highway 61 North. The drive was a lot of fun and the towns were really neat to look at. As a child who grew up with Lionel trains, many of these towns looked like the Plasticville buildings that lined my set and I could picture a Lehigh Valley or Erie Lackawanna coal train working its way through the crossings. I arrived at Knoebels a little after 12:30 (roughly a 2.5 hour drive from Philly) and, seeing that my host’s tent was already pitched I simply laid my drop cloth and sleeping bag outside and drifted off to sleep. Around three I heard a voice yell, “Adam, get the hell inside.” So this was Patripman. We met, talked a bit and then I headed inside for what turned out to be only a few hours of sleep. Around 6 I heard a noise that sounded like freight train running directly behind the tent, or perhaps I had rolled under the Twister track? No, the wind had just picked up so much that we had to work to keep the tent from blowing away- with us in it. Morning came with a great breakfast and with time I saw new and old faces come about to Camp Ripples. Dom, Sparky & I went and visited Camp RRC then into Knoebels for our first Phoenix & Twister rides of the day. What can I say, they were moving well already- I had no idea what we were in for. There is no way I will remember the order in which we did everything, so I will simply paw through my memories and see what I come up with. I remember leaving camp and heading over to Twister (Allen/Fetterman twister) for a ride with Dom in 1.2 behind the Airbears. Twister was already running better than my visits of last year. The speed coming off the first lift was almost frightening; the speed of the second lift was exactly how John Allen intended it. That dramatic pause before the first drop was great, as were the huge pops of air that were found at the entrance top of the second hill and the entrance to the helix where you get thrown out and to the side were great. Twister’s second half improved with the speed and the small hop/turn into the tunnel provided a smaller-scale version of the helix’s entrance. One thing Ben mentioned, which I do agree with, was that the train seemed to be shaking a lot during the helix. However, with additional lubrication that night the problem seemed to be lessened. See, John Allen could get intense when he wanted to. The Flyers (Bisch-Rocco) were fun this year but as countless TRs have said, it did not have the punch it used to. After my rides at PPP my favorite fliers are now the ones at PKI. We bought our PPP tickets and rode in the Haunted House (Knoebels in-house and used rolling stock). This ride is so much fun…I could ride it all day! Each scene is so well done and it manages to take nearly every trick from all of the classic dark rides you knew as a kid and combine them into one great experience. I still jump at “the spot,” even though I know it is coming! Add in the classic rolling stock and it is one of the most unique experiences out there. Theme parks always say that no one wants old dark rides. To me, Knoebels’ Haunted House shows that if small-to-medium parks install a well-done dark ride the public will enjoy it. We then headed over to the Sky Slide, but it was sadly closed. It was nice just go and look at the kid’s rides. The last two years I have learned to appreciate both carousels and children’s rides so it was fun to poke around and see the wide array of kid’s rides, from Herschell to Mangels (and everything in between), there were a lot of attractions for the pint-sized in the family. The Scooters (Lusse) were next and we saw what looked to be three new fiberglass cars. Although I was disappointed to see these on the ride, they do make it fun if someone you are with decides to get in one (right, Ed?). Many good hits were had; this has to be one of the most vicious park experiences out there. The line for the Satellite (Eyerly Roll-O-Plane) was a little long, so with after one of our group members momentarily swooned the High Speed Thrill Coaster Ride (Overland) op for a ten-circuit ride. The thighs were a little sore after going round and round (and thrown into the lapbar), but an end to the laterals were not in sight so we headed to the new-for-2001 Downdraft (Dartron). I got an inside seat on the rear of the two seats and we were soon off. I must say that this ride, a modern interpretation of the Allan Herschell Hurricane, surprised the hell out of me. On the outside the airtime was great and on the inner seats the visuals were just as dramatic as the ride appeared to slam into the center pole, only to be pulled away at the last second. I LOVED this ride and hope smaller parks and carnivals pick it up. It only goes to show that classics never die. Between this and the Cliffhanger it looks like Dartron is on quite a roll with its new ride offerings. Next-door was last year’s new attraction- The Power Surge (Zamperla). I still enjoy these rides and the visuals of the people across from you can always be fun. Carnival and park owners get a lot of ride for a reasonable price in this eye catching midway piece. Not that I would complain if Knoebels went with KMG for their next ride… We walked back towards the Cesari’s and ate our complimentary pizza. My wallet winced as we walked over to the sales area because it was about to take a hit. I picked up several postcards (including one showing the Edmonton Mindbender pre-accident and one post-accident) as well as three books. They were Woody Register’s well-researched “The Kid of Coney Island: Fred Thompson and the Rise of Amusements,” Doug Higley’s “Scary Dark Rides” and Daniel Samuelson’s “The American Amusement Park” (published by the same group that did Rutherford’s, and makes a wonderful companion book for it). All three are good publications and each is a unique new look at the particular subject, in Doug Higley’s case it is the only book I know about that is devoted to dark rides. We walked back through the park, enjoying the train, the beautiful view from the ferris wheel headed back to camp for some food and a beer. After a quick break we enjoyed the Haunted House, where I ever so briefly talked with Nate, Josh & George (ever our theme, it seems) and then the skooters. The ride seemed to be moving a bit faster and I thought I was doing better, but Joe Schwartz was in front of me, so his snapping made my meager attempts all the more depressing. The real story of the night was Dom. Granted his lack of weight gives him an advantage, but make no mistake, he is the best snapper I have seen. The ride he creates is just sick. I am just happy the ride stayed intact while he was on it! We rode some coasters then I took a break because I could not remain for the hangover on Sunday. I walked down to the Downdraft, which had a great light package, and got a ride on the inside. Power Surge was temporarily down so I grabbed another Downdraft experience (love those g’s) and I meandered over to the carousel (Kremer’s Carousel Works, Carmel carvings & Looff mechanism). I may not be an overly religious man, but I do believe that a trip to Knoebels sans carousel will send you directly to hell (do not pass go, do not collect $200). Even though the kids clamored on the outside horses before I had a chance, it was still a magical ride. The organ churned, the mechanism rumbled and I was taken away, if ever so briefly, from everyday life. For a few minutes the comforting sound of the organ was all I needed to get through the night. So much has been said about the coasters that I will only add a little. Quite simply, both were breathtaking experiences. Smooth, fast, intense. The largest surprise of the night were the rides I had in Phoenix 4.3 (Schmeck/PTC double out & back). I got several in my usual 1.3, but that last seat was a very intense experience that was a pleasant surprise. However, the one memory I will carry from that PPP is my second-to-last ride, which occurred in the front seat with Mark. This was insane. I will always remember pausing at the top of the lift and not seeing the turn-around or even the bottom of the drop- it was downright frightening. It is just so hard to describe how insane these Phoenix rides really were to people not there, I know I would not have beloved it if I had not experienced this coaster on this night myself. After closing the night on Twister I split my time between the bonfire and Camp Ripples, talking and drinking with many enthusiasts. A HUGE thank you goes out to Bernard for Camp Ripples. It provides a great meeting point for our group and I appreciate your hospitality, I hope to one-day pay you back. I enjoyed meeting so many people like ben, Rob S., jimmy gallo, my gracious hosts in Dom & Patripman, GR8 Ump and Jake and spending a few minutes talking to the man whose TR’s I have always read before visiting a park for the first time, Mark McKenzie. There were many, such as Flare, who I saw but did not get to chat with, but I figure with time it will happen. Of course, I saw all the regulars, so I will be lazy and not list everyone, but as it was great to see so many familiar faces (now if we can only get together more than once a year…). PPP has been called a lot of things by a lot of enthusiasts. It is hard to believe that 16 years have passed since it first occurred and the enthusiast community, along with the coasters they ride, are so different. The Internet is here, Inside Track has come and gone and wooden coasters are more popular than ever. What does the future hold? I will not venture a guess. But, I will say that even with its changes of rides, Knoebels has remained a rock, seemingly oblivious to the Gary Story’s and X’s of the world. As Basil Rathbone once called Nigel Bruce, it is a fixed point in a changing age. I would not have it any other way. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 21:53:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 05:53:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 47804 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 05:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 05:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20405.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.124) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 05:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20011031055311.29600.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.169.214.117] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:53:11 PST Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:53:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: Dorney Park, October 7, 2001 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The Place: Dorney Park The Date: October 7, 2001 The Weather: Some sun, some wind and scattered clouds The Reason I went: Because my flight got changed & I couldn’t visit Lakemont (yes, and to enjoy Talon) Dorney Park. Some love it, some hate it and some just never visit again. This was my second visit to Dorney, with my first occurring last summer from 3 in the afternoon until the park closed. I had to admit I enjoyed myself that day. No, the wooden coasters weren’t great (not even good) and the place needs some trees. But, on the whole last year’s experience was positive and I was looking forward to adding Talon to my list of coasters. I awoke at Camp Ripples early, used a lot of hot water in the showers and hit the road by 9. I pulled into Dorney around 10:20 and could not wait to get some rides in before my night flight at Philly. But, once I stepped out of the car I realized a jacket was needed if I were to enjoy my day at all. The admission for the day was $19.99 for Halloweekends and it was well worth it because of a lack of people in the park. I immediately veered to the left down to Dominator (S&S Space Shot and Turbo Drop) for my first “wake up” rides. I always a get a little nervous before my first ride of the day and I felt the butterflies as I the S&S restraint locked into place, the ground fell away and all of the sudden I could see for miles- space shots are such a unique experience. I hopped on the Turbo Drop, for some reason facing inside to one of the other towers still makes me nervous as hell, while when I am facing outwards it does not appear that high at all. Pretty good for a turbo drop; I still enjoy Intamin drops the best for park models. The Whip (Mangels Whip) was next door. I found it to be well run for a theme park and it ties Rye’s for the best-run Whip today now that Whalom’s is SBNO. It has a nice building and a good cycle. Plus, I saw a lot of families getting on, it is good to see an old ride like this still draws the crowds, just as William would have wanted it. I walked back to Laser (Schwarzkopf Doppel Looper). If the drop ride was an enjoyable way to start the day this was the intensity I needed to get the blood flowing. Very few people were waiting in line so I got rides all over the front two cars, including one in the front seat. This thing still is a GREAT ride. Most everyone has heard me extol the virtues of Laser too many times, but I cannot say enough good things about it. The tight turn out of the second loop is one of my favorite steel coaster moments. Schwarzkopf got it right, Herr Achterbahn is too simple a title to bestow on the man. Perhaps, “der Meister der Achterbahn”? On my way to Steel Force (Morgan hyper) I snapped a picture or two of Thunderhawk within the funky turnaround. On Steel Force’s platform I saw MABrider (Mike) and I joined him for a ride in Steel Force’s front seat. It was not moving as fast as last summer, but fast enough to enough some nice g’s in the helix, and good pops of air on the return trip. Of the four hypers I have experienced it is still third, behind SROS at SFNE and Nitro but above Maggie. We got some good rides together on “the Force,” the back was riding wonderful that day, and we walked over to Laser so I could introduce MABrider to the forces that are Schwarzkopf. I think he enjoyed it but was surprised, like many, of the intensity this little looper produces (and, of course, the crappy loading procedure and EXTREMELY slow lift). We walked back over towards the front of the park so I could get my first rides on the new bird in town, Talon (B&M inverted). I had heard from many that the coaster was fun because it had a unique layout and a good location- they were right on both accounts. The queue wound nicely through the structure, but I did not have much time to look around as the line was barely out the station. My first right in was in the back right. After disengaging from the lift I felt some great air on the drop, enjoyed the loop, heard the anti-rollback bang on something as the coaster flew through the heartline and held on for dear life as we dove into the Immelman (trim off). The concrete trench was a nice touch and the carousel turn was great. Some good airtime occurred as were pulled off the “phantom” mid-course and the coaster flowed seamlessly into the corkscrew, large turn and up onto the lift. The park definitely has a coaster it can be proud of and I think, with Talon’s placement near the midway, will be a major draw as years go by. I also got some rides in front and rear left, my two favorite seats, before Mike and I split ways. I went to Coasters, as I had not enjoyed breakfast, so I was a bit hungry. I left the restaurant a bit disappointed, as the only topping they had for my hamburger was onion. I guess “exotic” vegetables like lettuce and tomatoes are hard to come by when there is no one in the park. Add to the fact that I was told there was no ketchup for my fries and I was a little upset. I think I paid around 8 dollars for lunch, and I do not think it is too much to ask to have basic condiments and/or toppings on hand, especially when the park is dead. Sigh. I went to two shops on the midway hoping to get a Dorney magnet for my fridge. The only one available was a Talon one. I wanted to lift my spirits so I headed to the carousel (Dentzel). This was an attractive piece, but as is the problems with so many theme park carousels it is run so slow that old people with walkers could lap it. I know they want to preserve the carousel, but it seems that many theme parks should concern themselves more with the paint jobs and chipping of their horses as opposed to the RPM at which a carousel turns. My favorite menagerie piece here was an elk; it had beautiful antlers and was an amazing piece of woodwork. For time’s sake I decided to make one more loop through the park before heading to the car. The first thing visitors notice walking down the midway is that there are NO trees. I really hope the folks at Cedar Fair consider planting a lot of foliage sometime. I was there on a cold day with the sun out and had no problems. I cannot imagine how hot it must get on a sunny summer day with people all around. The now famous picture at RCDB (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery735.htm?Picture=4) shows exactly what I mean. Great concept, no green. I got one last spin on Talon and took two on Hangtime (Huss Top Spin). The program was average, but since these seem to be few and far between the further west you go I wanted to get a few spins. Down the midway I saw an old favorite, the Wave Swinger (Zierer Wave Swinger) and enjoyed a romp over the vegatationless midway. The wait for the mouse was way to long and besides, my old nemesis was calling at the end of the walkway, so I headed over to Hercules. Now, Hercules (Summers/Dinn, best element- the exit) and I did not get along at ALL during my visit last summer. I sat towards the back, kept my hands up and it was downright painful. This time I decided to try a different tactic. I waited for the front of the train, left some room between the stiff-springed lapbar and myself and held on for dear life. I could not enjoy the trip up the lift because I was afraid of the punishment that was approaching. On the drop and ensuing turn I held on tight and pulled my body up and away from the seat so my back did not touch at all and so only a little bit of me was on the seat bottom. It worked surprisingly well, so I kept it up for the remainder of the ride. Because the ride was not overly painful I at least got an inkling of what Summers was thinking with the design and appreciated things like the drop below the station. While my ride was not great, it was different enough so I will ride it one time every time I return to Dorney- as long as I can exert all of my energy keeping myself away from that evil plastic seatback. Still surprised I had not ruptured a disc I enjoyed a trip on Apollo 2000 (Soriani and Moser). I found this fun last year, but after riding the Downdraft the day before it felt like a kid’s ride. Thunderhawk (Schmeck out & back with some twister) was next. This poor, poor coaster. If only someone loved it like they should. This ride was still trying to give pops of airtime (I was in 1.2), but both trim brakes were on hard- and they were really needed. You never know how out of control a wooden coaster is going to get with NO lubrication and temperatures in the low fifties. If they are going to have a trim brake on the return trip why not just finish the job they started and take out all the bunny hops? That way it can just go straight into the station without giving any airtime at all. It was hard to believe that this and the coaster I rode the night before (you might have heard of it, it is called the Phoenix) were the same designer. The frustrating thing is that this used to be a good ride; it was cited on Cartmell’s 1974 list and was among some great coaster company there. Now it sits as an example of not how to let a coaster age. Frustrations left in the concrete trench next to Thunderhawk’s station I meandered over to Steel Force for one more ride and then lucked out and finished my day on Laser in the back seat- a mini tribute to Anton for the countless enjoyable coaster rides he has given me. I left Dorney with the same feelings as last year. The three big steelies do a lot for me, the wooden coasters are good examples of what not to do and the park has a nice flat ride collection. Sure, Alfundo and a lot of neon are no longer there. But, considering the POS park Cedar Fair was given I think they have done a pretty good job. Now, if they could buy some trees, let some brakes loose and buy some oil I would be more inclined to return. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. 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Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 23:26:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 07:26:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2978 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 07:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 07:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.210) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 07:26:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:26:08 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:26:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Dorney Park, October 7, 2001 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:26:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2001 07:26:08.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EC562F0:01C161DD] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Dorney Park. Some love it, some hate it and some just >never visit again. I just don't like it. :) >The >admission for the day was $19.99 for Halloweekends and >it was well worth it because of a lack of people in >the park. That's not too bad. If I were to return, I'd wait to get the $8 Starlight admission. And, I would try evade the parking fee. :) >that high at all. Pretty good for a turbo drop; I >still enjoy Intamin drops the best for park models. Agreed. Dominator is one of the better S&S Towers. It's more forceful than Power Tower. >We got some good rides together on “the Force,” the >back was riding wonderful that day, and we walked over >to Laser so I could introduce MABrider to the forces >that are Schwarzkopf. I think he enjoyed it but was >surprised, like many, of the intensity this little >looper produces (and, of course, the crappy loading >procedure and EXTREMELY slow lift). Laser runs SO MUCH better than Conklin's Doppel Lopping does. I seem to remember Doppel Looping's lift being very slow too. I don't like Steel Force. >For time’s sake I decided to make one more loop >through the park before heading to the car. The first >thing visitors notice walking down the midway is that >there are NO trees. I really hope the folks at Cedar >Fair consider planting a lot of foliage sometime. I >was there on a cold day with the sun out and had no >problems. I cannot imagine how hot it must get on a >sunny summer day with people all around. The now >famous picture at RCDB >(http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery735.htm?Picture=4) >shows exactly what I mean. Great concept, no green. That's EXACTLY why I don't like Dorney. I'm a theme park lover by nature. Dorney has NO personality! It is very sterile. Cedar Fair is very sterile by nature- everything looks clean and new. Cedar Point has personality. It's full of energy, rides, and excitement. Plus, the landscaping at Cedar Point is nice. The location is awesome. Cedar Point works. Dorney tries to be a little Cedar Point. There are a lot of similiarties- Steel Force, Dominator, Hercules, Talon, etc. However, Dorney doesn't have the energy, half the rides, or anything close to the excitement! Dorney does not work. Come on, is it that hard to plant some flowers in the entrance plaza? It's disgusting! The sterile look would work if they added some nice landscaping to the white concrete areas. However, they don't seem concerned with that. The park really suffers from the lack of landscaping in my opinion. While I haven't been on Talon, the coaster collection there just doesn't interest me. I love Laser, but it's not enough to bring me back to Dorney. I don't see myself getting back there anytime soon. Cedar Fair isn't exactly daring when they add new rides. They usually add proven rides that will open on opening day without concern. That means that Dorney probably won't add anything intersting before someone else does it first. Plus, they only add major attractions every couple years. I also dislike how they're trying to be Hersheypark, and Hersheypark they're NOT. I rather like Hershey. At least they're trying to be like a nice park. Now, if they'd only take a lesson from Hershey's landscaping. Hershey adds a Mouse, Dorney adds a Mouse. Hershey adds a 4-inversion B&M inverted, Dorney adds a 4-inversion B&M inverted. Please, get some originality! There. That's my best explanation of why I dislike Dorney Park. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Wed Oct 31 06:22:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 31 Oct 2001 14:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 75961 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 14:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 31 Oct 2001 14:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 14:22:14 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [130.110.1.217]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA43076 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:23:35 -0500 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256AF6.004EEAA0 ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:21:58 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256AF6.004EE2D6.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:21:03 -0500 Subject: RE: AIE (Cleveland) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: Adam Sandy I found the website for the teeter totter ride I was trying to describe. It is: http://www.interactiverides.com/ >>> Such a poor website. More significantly, are they going to leave the giant logo with the image of the WTC twin towers? From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Oct 31 16:44:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 00:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 2825 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 00:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 00:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 00:44:30 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/cPVZXV3em7gNLwpUrYJbDQ=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJ5CVB3Y; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:44:16 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:43:55 -0600 Subject: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) Message-ID: <20011031.184400.-295895.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,8-11,30-31,51-52,67-68,73-74,84-87,97-99,129-130,134-138 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 PARK: Six Flags Great America (Fright Fest)- Gurnee, IL DATE: Friday, October 12 & Sunday, October 28, 2001 (impressions based on both) I meant to write a little review of Fright Fest & Deja Vu after my Friday night visit on October 12, but never got a chance. Thus, this review will draw impressions from both that visit and from my visit last Sunday, as everything was running the same on both visits and impressions I got were similar, if not exactly the same. THE PARK (General Impressions): +4.5 I was blown away by Six Flags' Fright Fest decorations this year. Last year was pretty piss poor; I'm guessing SFGAm's Fright Fest budget was mostly used up on Tiny's little babies on Eagle's structure. (For those who don't know, "Tiny" is a gigantic spider that sits on American Eagle's structure each year for Fright Fest - last year, "Tiny" had 3 smaller babies with her). The park was really decorated, there were some great attractions, and much of the decorations were quite graphic. For instance, the fountain in Hometown Square (near the Orbit) was replaced by a witches head which spouted blood-red water out of her mouth and nose. In the entrance of the Southwest Territory Amphitheater, there was a "monster" hunched over a garbage can that would occasionally spew "blood" out of it's mouth, accompanied by throwing up noises. Unfortunately, one annual Fright Fest piece of decor was missing - instead of turning the waterfall over Demon blood red, the park just decided to drain the pool and shut the thing off for Fright Fest. I was a bit disappointed, but this is a Six Flags park. The entrance plaza looked as good as ever, though, with the carousel pool filled with dark red water, floating coffins, and many burning torches. Out of all the Halloween events I've seen, SFGAm's is best hands down. The park offers no free-of-charge haunted houses, which is a bit annoying (especially when you've already paid $40 to get in and $10 for parking). There were two you could pay to get into: Necropolis/Mausoleum of Terror (in the picnic grove) and Dead and Breakfast (in Southwest Territory). I didn't see how much these cost, but I believe it was between $5 and $8 per person. There were lots of shows for Fright Fest, too, including a hypnotist, jugglers (who juggled knives and fire, among other things), a Halloween parade, a "circus of the bizarre" (which sounded a bit like a rip-off of the old side shows), a zombie band, and the "Love at First Fright" musical. And then some of the rides were "haunted" - the scenic railway train had lots of haunted scenes and monsters throughout the entire course, along with some great effects (including several very large explosions), the same old "Superstition" simulator, the river rapids ride had blood-red water running in it, though I never got over there to take a look, the antique cars were"haunted", the bumper cars were enclosed and (I believe) had a course set up to follow through the "haunted arena", and the whirling teacups were enclosed in a pitch black room with loud raver-esque music (yes!! ;-) and a light show. And then there was trick-or-treating, a petting zoo, and other things for kids and many, many monsters walking around the park during both visits. The crowds on Friday were *extremely* light; I was able to walk right on to Iron Wolf, Whizzer, and B:TR with no wait, something that *never* happens at SFGAm. Raging Bull had a very short wait (less than 15 minutes), but Deja Vu had a steady 1-1.5 hour wait all night. I guess that's capacity for ya' with one train cycling every 5-6 minutes. Sunday was the exact opposite - packed. I waited a half hour for Viper, and hour for B:TR, Iron Wolf, and Raging Bull, and 1.5 hours for Deja Vu. I didn't get a ride on Eagle because the wait filled much of the inside queue and, of course, Six Flags ran one side all night. I'm sorry, but I don't believe anyone who says that Six Flags does run both sides at once sometimes, as I've been there countless times this year and have *never* seen both sides running unless they're switching operation from one side to the other. I didn't get a ride on either Demon or Shockwave either time, either, but no loss there! V2 was closed for all of Fright Fest due to a blown transformer. Every coaster was running exceptionally well. Whizzer was as good as always, Viper was fast and smooth as usual, B:TR was *flying* - certainly the fastest I've ever seen it running and as intense as all hell. And even Iron Wolf was running faster than usual. All this helped to make up for the fact that the lines were so long on Sunday. Before we get to Deja Vu, I should note here that I have an odd infatuation with the pineapple fountain in the Batman queue line. Last year the thing looked like crap - it barely bubbled out any water at all and it was stained by the red dye used during Fright Fest. For most of this year the thing looked like it was struggling to pump out any water at all, until my last visit (before Fright Fest) when it was finally clean and running wonderfully. The park opted not to plop in any red dye this year, but the thing was still dirty as heck. I have sincere hope that next year it will be running in the top condition that it was at one point this season. :-) Anyway, onto my Deja Vu review. Throughout both days, I got three rides on Deja Vu - two on Friday night, once on Sunday. On Friday we headed right for Deja Vu, as we were supposed to meet Corey there. I intended on getting to the park at opening, but was delayed by 2 hours because of a car accident. But the line for Deja Vu was only an hour and I was excited to give it a try. So I ended up waiting for an hour for a backseat inside seat - not too bad. Later that night I got another inside seat, this time in the 2nd or 3rd row to the front. And on Sunday I got a back row, outside seat ride. My review of the ride (below) will discuss which seat is best based on these three rides. DEJA VU - 2001 Vekoma super invertigo. +4 As much as I've heard people bash this ride, those who have actually ridden it know that Deja Vu is a wonderful ride. The trains vibrate quite a bit throughout the course, but there aren't any painful bumps or jolts anywhere. The loading procedures are slow and pointless - there is no reason at all that employees have to check the seatbelts before the OTSRs are lowered and locked; they could easily check both at the same time. And even so, it should *never* take more than 3 minutes to dispatch the train, yet it does every time. Poor loading procedures aside, though, I really, really enjoy this ride. The ride up the first lift is *extremely* unnerving, especially on an outside seat where you feel very isolated and unrestrained the whole way up. The vertical drop is great and the train is back through the station and into the cobra roll within a few seconds. You don't even notice the platform under the cobra roll as you whip through it, and then fly back down towards the ground. Then comes the loop, which is taken very fast and, thus, is extremely intense. As you rush up the second tower, the catch grabs the train and pulls it up without a hitch - it feels very seamless. Unlike the boomerangs I've ridden, there's a long pause after you reach the top before the catch releases, and you experience another great drop. The loop, again, is very intense but the cobra roll is taken *much* slower than before. And then it's back through the station and into my favorite part of the ride; in the backseat there is some fantastic hangtime when the catch grabs the train and lifts it back up towards the top. Then you're quickly lowered back into the station, where the floor comes back into place, and you're ushered out of your seat. Deja Vu is fast, intense, and very forceful. It would have been hard to be more surprised by this ride, as it completely blew me away. The backseat is the best for the hangtime, and make sure you get an outside seat (as there is a noticeable difference). I never thought I'd say this, but, "Great job, Vekoma!" I really look forward to riding this a lot next spring. That's really all I have to say about SFGAm, as I've reviewed everything else time and time again. I took a ride on the Vekoma rollerskater for the first time on Sunday and really enjoyed that - these are the best kiddie/family coasters I've ever been on. Here's to next year! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From regnal@adelphia.net Wed Oct 31 17:08:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 01:08:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 29051 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 01:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.38) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GM3KHO00.23X for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c16271$6c7ad3e0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <85256AF6.004EE2D6.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: AIE (Cleveland) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:06:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "langer joseph" Okay....what am I missing....yes the web site is lame but I don't see the WTC towers on it....am I dense or something? Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: AIE (Cleveland) > > > <<< > From: Adam Sandy > > I found the website for the teeter totter ride I was > trying to describe. It is: > http://www.interactiverides.com/ > >>> > > Such a poor website. More significantly, are they going to leave the giant > logo with the image of the WTC twin towers? > > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 17:32:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 01:32:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 65030 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 01:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 01:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.123) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 01:32:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20011101013202.53011.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.130.201.119] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:32:02 PST Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:32:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I know that we are all into this hobby to varying degrees, so this may not apply to all. But, for those of you who get way too into coasters like myself, what do you do during the off-season? (and curse those of you that live in states with no off-season!) I am lucky that I will go to IAAPA & Interschau/Euroshow this winter, I am definitely bless to have some "ride time" during the typical off-season. Videos: There are only a few coaster videos I like to watch more than a handful of times. They are: Roller Coaster Weekends 1 & 2: Cheesy? Yes! Bad music? Yes! Homemade with so-so quality? Yes! I got these back before coasters and the internet had joined forces and my only avenues of information were Inside Track and books from the library (that were usually published in the 70's). I got RCWs 1 & 2 in '93 or so and for some reason they grabbed a hold of me. There is little talk, just a lot of bad music, like the Miami Vice theme, throughout as Roy Brashears (one of ACE's founders) traveled to many parks, both big and small. This could be where I began to enjoy traditional parks as it was on these videos that I visited places like Lakemont, William's Grove and Idlewild. Plus, the section at the beginning of each on lost parks, with parks like Mountain Park and the Coney Island Tornado, somehow got me hooked. Thrills, Chills & Spills: The Fun House- This is part of Discovery's series that I taped several years ago. Only a traditionalist like myself could enjoy the scenes of Bushkill's Pretzel or Kennywood's Le Cahcheot (sp?). Coney Island: a documentary film. Done by Richard Snow and Ric Burns (who came out with the wonderful 14 hour documentary on New York in 1999), I had this on so many times the tape broke on my first copy. A great look at Coney...it seems another documentary will be done on Coney Island because they got it perfect the first time. Books: Richard Snow's "Coney Island: A Postcard Tribute to the City of Fire." Richard Snow, editor of American Heritage and the driving force behind the 1991 Coney documentary, wrote a great book full of images of pre-Roaring Twenties Coney. Scott Rutherford's "The American Roller Coaster"- After I read this it bumped Cartmell's book from the top of the list. It has great photos, unique details and weaves a story I can enjoy again and again. The last thing I enjoy is working on my website, it gives me a chance to go over my great trips during the year and remind me why I love parks so much. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Oct 31 17:35:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 01:35:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 79254 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 01:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.223 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 01:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 01:35:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/jLXhvkVcxTT4foFoHMkdioYP/XSm2hU+"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJ5FS6D4; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:35:30 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:35:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: AIE (Cleveland) Message-ID: <20011031.193513.-295895.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,14-16 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > > I found the website for the teeter totter ride I was > > > trying to describe. It is: > > > http://www.interactiverides.com/ > > Such a poor website. More significantly, are they going to > > leave the > > giant > > logo with the image of the WTC twin towers? > Okay....what am I missing....yes the web site is lame but I don't see > the > WTC towers on it....am I dense or something? The name of the ride on the front page is "Sky Skater." There's a silhouette of the WTC towers on the side of the ride's base. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From regnal@adelphia.net Wed Oct 31 17:39:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 01:39:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 63813 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 01:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 01:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 01:39:25 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GM3LXM00.67F for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: <011901c16275$c37b06c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <20011031.193513.-295895.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: AIE (Cleveland) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:37:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "langer joseph" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram WOW. I am dense...even after your comment I looked and looked and didn't notice that....thanks for pointing it out. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate K." To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: AIE (Cleveland) > > > > I found the website for the teeter totter ride I was > > > > trying to describe. It is: > > > > http://www.interactiverides.com/ > > > > Such a poor website. More significantly, are they going to > > > leave the > > > giant > > > logo with the image of the WTC twin towers? > > > Okay....what am I missing....yes the web site is lame but I don't see > > the > > WTC towers on it....am I dense or something? > > The name of the ride on the front page is "Sky Skater." There's a > silhouette of the WTC towers on the side of the ride's base. > > -Nate > coasterdude18@juno.com > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From IOASpiderman@aol.com Wed Oct 31 17:49:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 01:49:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 35674 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 01:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 01:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 01:49:48 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.7a.1d1685c8 (4441) for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:49:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7a.1d1685c8.29120433@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:49:39 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << I know that we are all into this hobby to varying degrees, so this may not apply to all. But, for those of you who get way too into coasters like myself, what do you do during the off-season? (and curse those of you that live in states with no off-season!) I am lucky that I will go to IAAPA & Interschau/Euroshow this winter, I am definitely bless to have some "ride time" during the typical off-season. >> I do a ton of stuff. Its not normally until february or march that I really start getting "coaster fever". But hopefully this winter I will have enough time to finish creating the second version of my Roller Coaster Encyclopedia. If you wanna check out the first version, go here: http://www.geocities.com/mfsoftware2000. With videos, I finally got a DVD player, so I am probably going to order some of the coaster videos that are only out in that format. Also, I did a little videotaping during the summer, so hopefully I can make some videos and then get them uploaded to a site. Speaking of a site, I am going to re-design my website and put a lot more stuff on it, not just programming. Finally, I will probably be spending a ton of time on No Limits, when it (hopefully) comes out. That game is amazing!! Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Oct 31 17:58:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 01:58:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 84490 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 01:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 01:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 01:58:14 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.37]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:58:03 -0600 Message-ID: <004601c16279$6279d140$25b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011101013202.53011.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:03:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" But, for those > of you who get way too into coasters like myself, what > do you do during the off-season? Just a few things I enjoy during the off-season to sustain my coaster fix: #1 Read----I'm sure my collection isn't nearly as extensive as yours Adam, but I do own 4 books on rollercoasters/theme parks, which I enjoy perusing from time to time: -"Cedar Point--The Queen of American Watering Places" by David & Diane Francis An excellent book on the long history of CP. -"Roller Coaster" by David Bennett Lots of excellent color pictures, and also LOTS of errors in the captions!! --"The Incredible Scream Machine" by Robert Cartmell A must-own standard book for any coaster enthusiast; although I'll have to look for the book by Rutherford after reading Adam's post on this subject. --"Harry G. Traver: Legends of Terror" by Richard Munch The debate will probably continue for ages.......Was Traver a genius, or an incompetent madman? (I really wonder if there is anyone still alive who once rode a Traver coaster??) #2 Watch Discovery's "Thrills, Chills, and Spills" series I never get tired of those shows on Discovery........and it always makes me chuckle when I hear the one "enthusiast" who makes the outrageous claim that Michigan Adventure's Shivering Timbers is the only out-and-back woodie built in the last 50 years. (or something like that.......what was that guy on, anyway??) #3 And......my favorite winter-coaster fix is my planned trip to IOA Jan 26-29, to celebrate my b-day on Hulk and the Dragons!!! I can't wait......and I'm really hopeful that I'll be able to meet at least a couple of list members during that trip. Tim?.........Josh?............Joe?..........Buehler? --Jon Z. (Zerkel.......not Zucker.) From regnal@adelphia.net Wed Oct 31 18:17:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 02:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 39988 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 02:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 02:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 02:17:36 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GM3NPB00.KBL for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:17:35 -0500 Message-ID: <014301c1627b$1950a6e0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <20011101013202.53011.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c16279$6279d140$25b1220c@lorenzer> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:15:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "langer joseph" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram I play Roller Coaster Tycoon....try to hit one warm spot like FL or CA (last year was lucky enough to do both) and read a lot. I have to increase my collection of coaster books though so I appreciate the information you all have posted on the ones you have. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Zerkel" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Sandy" > > But, for those > > of you who get way too into coasters like myself, what > > do you do during the off-season? > > Just a few things I enjoy during the off-season to sustain my coaster fix: > > #1 Read----I'm sure my collection isn't nearly as extensive as yours Adam, > but I do own 4 books on rollercoasters/theme parks, which I enjoy perusing > from time to time: > > -"Cedar Point--The Queen of American Watering Places" by David & Diane > Francis > An excellent book on the long history of CP. > > -"Roller Coaster" by David Bennett > Lots of excellent color pictures, and also LOTS of errors in the captions!! > > --"The Incredible Scream Machine" by Robert Cartmell > A must-own standard book for any coaster enthusiast; although I'll have to > look for the book by Rutherford after reading Adam's post on this subject. > > --"Harry G. Traver: Legends of Terror" by Richard Munch > The debate will probably continue for ages.......Was Traver a genius, or an > incompetent madman? (I really wonder if there is anyone still alive who > once rode a Traver coaster??) > > #2 Watch Discovery's "Thrills, Chills, and Spills" series > I never get tired of those shows on Discovery........and it always makes me > chuckle when I hear the one "enthusiast" who makes the outrageous claim > that Michigan Adventure's Shivering Timbers is the only out-and-back woodie > built in the last 50 years. (or something like that.......what was that guy > on, anyway??) > > #3 And......my favorite winter-coaster fix is my planned trip to IOA Jan > 26-29, to celebrate my b-day on Hulk and the Dragons!!! I can't > wait......and I'm really hopeful that I'll be able to meet at least a couple > of list members during that trip. > Tim?.........Josh?............Joe?..........Buehler? > > --Jon Z. > (Zerkel.......not Zucker.) > > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Oct 31 20:08:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 04:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 63111 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 04:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 04:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 04:08:01 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.f9.11e59333 (4242) for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:07:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:07:47 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/2001 9:00:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzerkel@effingham.net writes: > -"Cedar Point--The Queen of American Watering Places" by David & Diane > Francis > An excellent book on the long history of CP. > > Written in my own town of Wadsworth, OH. Dave Frances works right across the street from my mom's office. I've seen most of his stuff, VERY Impressive. I've been meaning to contact him about his Chippewa Lake stuff. I hear he has 3 boxes full of it. :) Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jrushi5@lsu.edu Wed Oct 31 21:44:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 05:44:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 75040 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 05:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 05:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.184.129) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 05:44:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:44:09 -0600 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 10/31/2001 11:44:09 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" X-Yahoo-Profile: thrillriderj << I know that we are all into this hobby to varying degrees, so this may not apply to all. But, for those of you who get way too into coasters like myself, what do you do during the off-season? >> Well, me personally. I am a poor college student. I go into deep depression because I have no money during the semester or winter break to go to the parks in Florida. But I do have that one shining thing to look forward to, I will officially spread my wings into the rollercoaster world when I go to Cedar Point for the first time in May 2002, after vigorous saving throughout both semesters. But usually i just play RCT and stay glued to the email list and rumor sites. Joshua "the deprived enthusiast" Rushing From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Nov 01 02:37:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 10:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 86481 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/rD8DudpdBviL5ATS7HQ17CIC4ZmtysAe"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJ6ETFBJ; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 05:37:25 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:36:07 -0600 Subject: ADM: Change in guidelines/RCTalk website information Message-ID: <20011101.043628.-444575.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,12-13,24-25,30-31,37-38,41-45 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Hello all, One of the most missed thing from the old World of Coasters is the archived trip reports. I know that I, and many others, miss the convenience and availability of well-written trip reports on many, many parks across the United States. Luckily, this group has satisfied some of that; we have many members who regularly write good, well-founded reviews of the parks they visit over the season. And now that we have a group website all of our own (http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk), we have the tools to archive our member-written trip reports in an organized manner, rather than having to search through all the archived messages on the RCTalk group site. Over the next few months, member-written trip reports will start showing up on our group site. What does this mean for you? Well, if you like reading trip reports, they will be there for you to read. I've heard from many that it's helpful to read reviews on parks before a first visit, as oftentimes trip reports give some good advice as to how to tackle the park. The major change, however, is that *any trip report posted to the list will automatically be posted on the Geocities group site unless you specifically note otherwise in the report.* I understand that some members may not want their reports accessable to the public, and we will honor any request not to post the report on the site. The group guidelines have been updated to reflect this change. I know that some of you post the same trip report to more than one forum (Coasterbuzz, URC, etc) and may have concerns about copyrights and the fact that the same report would be archived on two (or more) different sites. Understand, however, that any post to this list is immediately copyrighted by Yahoo! Groups and is archived on the Yahoo site, anyway. There have been some great reports posted in the past few months that I would really like to archive on our site. However, since this new guideline was not in affect when those reviews were posted, you will be contacted by e-mail for your permission to post these on the site. If you really do not want your trip report posted, feel free to say "no" but we would like to get as many reviews on the site as we can! Thanks a lot, everyone. If there are any questions, feel free to contact any of the moderators. Things have been running really smoothly lately, and I commend everyone on that. Keep it up! -Nate Moderator, RollerCoasterTalk PS: We're still looking to add more profiles to the site, so if you don't have one up, why don't you take a moment to fill out a form?! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Nov 01 05:30:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 13:30:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 73300 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 13:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 13:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 13:30:03 -0000 Received: (cpmta 761 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 05:29:29 -0800 Date: 1 Nov 2001 05:29:28 -0800 Message-ID: <20011101132928.760.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 1 Nov 2001 13:29:28 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 01 Nov 2001 05:29:28 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I didn't get a ride on Eagle because the wait filled much of the inside > queue and, of course, Six Flags ran one side all night. I'm sorry, but I > don't believe anyone who says that Six Flags does run both sides at once< They were doing it when I went there in August. And sometimes the trains even accidentally raced ! ;-) What is it with those odd side headrests on the train? Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Nov 01 05:35:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 13:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20669 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 13:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 13:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 13:35:14 -0000 Received: (cpmta 977 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 05:35:03 -0800 Date: 1 Nov 2001 05:35:03 -0800 Message-ID: <20011101133503.976.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 1 Nov 2001 13:35:03 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 01 Nov 2001 05:35:03 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'll probably be playing a lot of Ultimate Ride. That simulator's been growing on me. I'll probably be playing around with the new No Limits demo, too. And of course, Rollercoaster Tycoon. I have a few scenarios left to finish. Other than that, I've got lots of updating to do on my website. I'll be digitizing lots of coaster footage from this summer. And maybe I'll finally finish the big model of the CB Cyclone that I've been working on for years.... Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Nov 01 05:41:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 13:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 67593 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 13:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 13:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.126) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 13:41:31 -0000 Received: (cpmta 7687 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 05:40:59 -0800 Date: 1 Nov 2001 05:40:59 -0800 Message-ID: <20011101134059.7686.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 1 Nov 2001 13:40:59 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 01 Nov 2001 05:40:59 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Teeter-Totter (was AIE) From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >> http://www.interactiverides.com/ << > Such a poor website. More significantly, are they going to leave the giant > logo with the image of the WTC twin towers?< Also, note the child toward the back of the train. Is that restraint really made for a two-year-old? And what the heck are those wheels doing there? Are they just for looks? They certainly aren't rolling on anything. And the two bolts on the base are not going to keep that mass of metal from shifting around when it starts moving. This is yet another marvel of computer graphics that might not pan out in the real world. Adam, did you actually see this thing operate? Jay From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Nov 01 05:51:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 13:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 82021 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 13:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 13:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.123) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 13:51:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20011101135101.37987.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.161.127.184] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 05:51:01 PST Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 05:51:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MISC: Teeter-Totter (was AIE) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >And what the heck are those wheels doing there? Are >they just for looks? They certainly aren't rolling >on anything. Yup, same as a Roller Skater. >And the two bolts on the base are not going to keep >that mass of metal from shifting around when it >starts moving. This is yet another marvel of >computer graphics that might not pan out in the real >world. >Adam, did you actually see this thing operate? Worked fine when I was there. It will be interesting if they sell anything at IAAPA. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Nov 01 06:29:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 14:29:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 2313 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 14:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.220 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 14:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.122) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 14:29:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20011101142907.24791.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.138.162.167] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 06:29:07 PST Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 06:29:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Jon Z (Zerkel.......not Zucker) wrote: >-"Cedar Point--The Queen of American Watering Places" >by David & Diane Francis An excellent book on the >long history of CP. I have heard good things about this book. I am considering it for my Chirstmas list. >--"The Incredible Scream Machine" by Robert Cartmell >A must-own standard book for any coaster enthusiast; >although I'll have to look for the book by Rutherford >after reading Adam's post on this subject. Cartmell's book is great, especially the archived pictures he used. I think I liked Rutherford's because it was the best one book encapsulation of the story of the American coaster I have found. Although he does not have the OLD pics, his pictures from Otto Donbick and Mike Shafer showcase photos from people that have obviously been enthusiasts for 30 or 40 years and I got to see many defunct coasters. >--"Harry G. Traver: Legends of Terror" by Richard >Munch The debate will probably continue for >ages.......Was Traver a genius, or an incompetent >madman? (I really wonder if there is anyone still >alive who once rode a Traver coaster??) I still say the later :). This is another great book, I am still sad that Richard did not write any subsequent books. Now if only we could get a book on Fred Church's coasters... Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Thu Nov 01 09:50:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 17:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 59644 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [130.110.1.217]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16506 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:51:11 -0500 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256AF7.0061F616 ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:49:59 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256AF7.0061F3E0.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:50:28 -0500 Subject: Re: MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: Adam Sandy what do you do during the off-season? >>> I, too, will spend my off-season updating my website (which I haven't done all summer), playing RCT, reading Screamscape to keep up on the latest news, reading my ACE publications to look at the pretty pictures. I have attended EastCoaster for the last 4 years or so, and will probably go again this year (it's an ACE non-riding event, held in February in Allentown, PA). I don't see any hope for a winter trip to a warm place this year (which I've done other years), so I'll have to wait till spring to ride another coaster. Jon Z The First From regnal@adelphia.net Thu Nov 01 14:30:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 22:30:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 24511 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 22:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 22:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 22:30:49 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GM57VB00.0H6 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:30:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c16324$8c92fbe0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <20011101133503.976.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:28:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram Jay: Can you help me with Octagon Park? I just can't seem to get 10 huge coasters built with such little money....what's the trick. I bought Ultimate Ride but have some conflict with my video driver that their tech support couldn't help me with. My kids have played a few times but I want to finish Loopy Landscapes before I get addicted to another computer game. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? > I'll probably be playing a lot of Ultimate Ride. That simulator's been growing on me. I'll probably be playing around with the new No Limits demo, too. And of course, Rollercoaster Tycoon. I have a few scenarios left to finish. > > Other than that, I've got lots of updating to do on my website. I'll be digitizing lots of coaster footage from this summer. And maybe I'll finally finish the big model of the CB Cyclone that I've been working on for years.... > > Jay > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From thosechickasaws@aol.com Thu Nov 01 14:40:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THOSECHICKASAWS@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 1 Nov 2001 22:40:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 69885 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 22:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 1 Nov 2001 22:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 22:40:47 -0000 Received: from THOSECHICKASAWS@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.c3.18741fe7 (4418) for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:40:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:40:37 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: thosechickasaws@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thosechickasaws In a message dated 10/29/2001 6:16:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, IOASpiderman@aol.com writes: << GASM still gives a good ride, and seems to still be pretty popular with the GP >> Also, I just remembered, they just changed the trains etc. for GASM! Why would they then cut it? Viper, sure. Rolling Thunder gives a fun ride, and fixed it'll be great, but due to the lower and lower popularity (There's never much of a line- but maybe I'm incorrect.) it could be removed. A new coaster in the place of RT and Viper would be perfect, too. Maybe a prototype or 4-D? Or Thrustair? Impulse? Flying? Let's just hope it's not another upcharge attraction... :-) -Ahmed From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Nov 01 16:07:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 00:07:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 79524 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 00:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 00:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 00:07:06 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/5Xsj9a7zGbDTGHiU4oYPWubVQt5OokwE"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GJ7U48ZR; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:06:41 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:06:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... Message-ID: <20011101.180603.-267103.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-11,13-16,18-27,30-32 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > << GASM still gives a good ride, and > seems to still be pretty popular with the GP >> > A new > coaster in the place of RT and Viper would be perfect, too. Maybe a > prototype or 4-D? Probably not a 4-D with all the problems SF is having with X. Maybe in a couple years if X turns out okay, I suppose. Or Thrustair? Again, probably not for a few years, as it's likely that Paramount has some sort of deal worked out with S&S. Impulse? Chris K. seems to think it's not likely, but they did it to SFGAm and I don't see why they wouldn't, in turn, put one in SFGAdv. Flying? Not a Vekoma, but a B&M flier is likely. Let's just hope > it's not > another upcharge attraction... :-) Haha...I really hope to see a new wooden coaster at the park in the next few years. I just don't know who would build it, as Six Flags has had problems with both CCI and GCI. Maybe a Coasterworks!? -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From thunder1usa1@aol.com Thu Nov 01 19:00:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 03:00:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 71550 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 03:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 03:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 03:00:18 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.145.3eac77f (25098) for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:00:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <145.3eac77f.29136640@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:00:16 EST Subject: MISC: THOUGHTS To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 Manufacturer Designed and engineered by Curtis D. Summers, Inc./Constructed by the Dinn Corporation The above is some information I found out about the manufacturer of Psyclone @ SFMM. This is from www.sixflags.com Does anyone know what other coasters this company has experience building? I'm just curious because of all the problems Psyclone has. _____ I went to a CP website that is stating the most popular rumor for the new coaster (located on the beach) is a TA2K. Now, I did also read that this is going to be a 16 riders to each row (2 rows) type coaster. This doesn't sound like a TA2K, but with technology and advancements, who knows what CP's up to. This sounds more like B&M's Oblivion with a different twist. The footers don't appear to be as wide as the ones for a Superman, TE type ride. Also, wouldn't CP be worried about the same problem SFMM had getting the speed and the ride to open? Any comments? ______ SFMM, I believe will need to build two coasters next year to keep the title for the park with the most coasters. I don't know how successful X will be. I'm beginning to have my doubts. It is not due to Arrow Dynamics - it is due to the prototype nature of the coaster. I guess SFMM decided to buy the coaster so that Arrow can have a full scale version to work with. I believe it's the trains that are the problem. The minute I saw how low the train comes to the bottom of the first drop, I had a feeling the train would be a problem. Any thoughts? ______ Joe From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Nov 01 19:25:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 03:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 91852 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 03:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 03:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 03:25:18 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.bb.1638df28 (4505) for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:25:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:25:13 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: THOUGHTS To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/01 10:03:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, thunder1usa1@aol.com writes: > I went to a CP website that is stating the most popular rumor for the new > coaster (located on the beach) is a TA2K. Now, I did also read that this > is > going to be a 16 riders to each row (2 rows) type coaster. This doesn't > sound like a TA2K, but with technology and advancements, who knows what > CP's > up to. This sounds more like B&M's Oblivion with a different twist. The > footers don't appear to be as wide as the ones for a Superman, TE type > ride. > Also, wouldn't CP be worried about the same problem SFMM had getting the > speed and the ride to open? > > Any comments? > >> It's NOT a TA2K....most people will be dissappointed by this ride. All i'm going to say is, get ready for 450 degrees of total rotation. Look at the footers, it's quite obvious what the ride is. I Posted this quite a while ago, but it's an Intamin. it might not be a looper, but I *DID* call it at Knotts. CPs should be LIMs, not hydraulic, though. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Nov 01 19:56:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 03:56:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 92024 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 03:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 03:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.122) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 03:56:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20011102035616.64863.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.135.37.145] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:56:16 PST Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:56:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Manufacturer Designed and engineered by Curtis D. >Summers, Inc./Constructed by the Dinn Corporation >The above is some information I found out about the >manufacturer of Psyclone @ SFMM. This is from >www.sixflags.com Does anyone know what other >coasters this company has experience building? I'm >just curious because of all the problems Psyclone has. He he he. I guess I feel the same way about Summers/Dinn that many here seem to feel about Arrow. Here is a list from URC, my memory, etc.: The pair: Raging Wolf Bobs (a Bobs coaster in name only, LOOSELY based on Church design)- SWOA Mean Streak (a bigger, and worse, version of the TG)- CP Georgia Cyclone (the pair's best CYclone)- SFOG Grizzly (based on Schmeck design)- PKD Grizzly (based on Schmeck design)- PGA Thunder Run (good after 2000-2001 off-season re-tracking)- SFKK Wolverine Wildcat (it looks like Phoenix, but let me tell ya, it ain't Phoenix)- MA Predator (one of two coasters to use trailer trains...a great example of how not to track a coaster)- SFDL Timber Wolf (a favorite of many coaster enthusiasts and the GP, arguably the duos best design)- WOF Texas Giant (Cobb had some influence in the design, a big mean coaster that some love or hate)- SFOT Hercules (as many have said it was great the first two seasons...but two seasons don't make a coaster)- DP Pegasus- medium-sized coaster in the Netherlands that has supposedly aged well Summers: Mighty Canadian Mine Buster (based on Schmeck design)-PCW Wilde Beast (based on Schmeck design)-PCW Scooby Doo's Ghoster Coaster (based on Allen design)-PCW American Eagle-Intamin, Summers part of design team Colossus-IAD, Summers, Cobb and Russer primary designers Scooby Doo's Ghoster Coaster(based on Allen design)-PCar Thunder Road(based on Allen design)-PCar Dinn Wildcat-LC-Schmeck, altered by Dinn in 1986 Beast- PKI Phoenix-relocation Wild One-relocation This pair is arguably the most inconsistent in roller coaster history. When they paired together it was Curtis D. Summers who crunched numbers and Charlie Dinn who did the trackwork. It is just strange how thier coasters have gotten old. For instance, the Georgia Cyclone & Psyclone were taken off the same design and the Grizzlies were the same Schmeck design (which could be why the one @ PKD is as good as it is), but they have very different personalities from one another. In some cases, as on the Wild One and Phoenix, Dinn had good, tight trackwork. On others, Predator, Mean Streak, Wolverine Wildcat, etc. the train has as much forward motion as it does side-to-side. I really HATE their bad rides, and a few (when they get a lot of good care, like Thunder Run after this last winter, and Georgia Cyclone during some seasons) I find pretty good, but none are in my top tier of wooden coasters. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Nov 01 21:13:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 05:12:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 67358 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 05:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 05:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp008pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.187) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 05:12:58 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp008pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA25Cuo23012 Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:12:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE22CA3.72694767@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:18:27 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: THOUGHTS References: <145.3eac77f.29136640@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash thunder1usa1@aol.com wrote: > Manufacturer Designed and engineered by Curtis D. Summers, > Inc./Constructed by the Dinn Corporation > Does anyone know what other coasters > this company has experience building? I'm just curious because of all the > problems Psyclone has. Using RCDB (wonderful site!!), I pulled up a list of 8 coasters that are credited to Summers and Dinn, though there may be more. They include Georgia Cyclone at SFoG, Hercules at Dorney, Predator at SFDL, Psyclone at SFMM, Texas Giant at SFoT, Thunder Run at SFKK, Timber Wolf at WoF, and Wolverine Wildcat at Michigan's Adventure. Of those 8 I've been on 3 of them. One is in my top 10 based on how it was running a few years ago (Texas Giant), one was ok (Hercules), and one ranks as one of the worst coasters ever built in my book (Psyclone). > I went to a CP website that is stating the most popular rumor for the new > coaster (located on the beach) is a TA2K. > > Any comments? TA2K??? Don't they wish!! Not a chance. I'm not into rumors, betting, or anything, but I would put money on it being a S:UE/ V2 type of deal, from everything I've heard. Along the lines of 2 of them, either side by side or facing each other. The S:TE is a slim possibility, but CP is known for capacity, and S:TE is a slow capacity hog, so I really tend to doubt that one. But if it's not the V2 bit, then it will be a version of S:TE. No way on the TA2K. > SFMM, I believe will need to build two coasters next year to keep the title > for the park with the most coasters. I don't know how successful X will be. > I'm beginning to have my doubts. It is not due to Arrow Dynamics - it is due > to the prototype nature of the coaster. I guess SFMM decided to buy the > coaster so that Arrow can have a full scale version to work with. I believe > it's the trains that are the problem. The minute I saw how low the train > comes to the bottom of the first drop, I had a feeling the train would be a > problem. > I've said it before and I'll say it again: SFMM and CP don't give a rip who has the record for most coasters except for a marketing gimmick to their local constituency. And even then they don't. SFMM's big deal was they were now the "Extreme Park", with a minor note being the park with most. They really don't care about each other but are far more interested in the local competetion. SFMM put in 3 coasters not because of CP but because DCA was opening down the road. And CP's competition focus is SFWoA. And prototypes always have a history of being late, with few exceptions. One reason that there were never dates put out in any official aspect for the opening of X outside of "summer". Nothing new there. Keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Nov 01 21:17:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 05:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 86661 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 05:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 05:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.15) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 05:17:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:17:28 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 05:17:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:17:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 05:17:28.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA5A7D90:01C1635D] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Or Thrustair? >Again, probably not for a few years, as it's likely that Paramount has >some sort of deal worked out with S&S. I'd say no. Great Adventure went through a phase where they purchased short, gimmicky (and in some cases, poor) coasters. Actually, that seems to be the theme at Great Adventure. Let's look at their coaster history. When Six Flags corporation bought Great Adventure, they started with the gimmicky steel coasters. 1978- Lightnin' Loops 1984- Sarajevo Bobsled 1986- Ultra Twister 1990- Shockwave 1993- Batman The Ride 1995- Viper 1996- Skull Mountain 1997- Chiller The only two Post-Six Flags coasters that aren't on the list are Rolling Thunder and Scream Machine. Rolling Thunder was a solid, staple attraction. Scream Machine saved the park and launched it into a whole new era. They made some good purchases, however. Batman was an amazing hit, and it's a solid ride. Skull Mountain is an excellent ride for what it is. Chiller is now a solid ride that shouldn't give them many problems. ThrustAir is a stupid gimmick. It goes really fast and it's over 12 seconds later. It has NO capacity. I don't have much faith in Six Flags, but I don't think they're stupid enough to put a ride with such poor capacity into America's most attended seasonal theme park. Great Adventure is finished with the 30-second gimmick rides. I know how proud they were when they opened Medusa. I remember when they were looking at the S&S Prototype for the 2000 season. They wouldn't buy it-they didn't want "another short gimmick." They're going for the maintenance-free, long rides with CAPACITY. Capacity is one thing they've always been concerned about. That is why they received Chiller instead of Mr. Freeze. They wanted two coasters, because they could get higher capacity that way. Viper, the incredibly short coaster, runs three trains! Skull Mountain ran three trains the first two years it was open. Runaway Train can run three trains. They always went for capacity. >Impulse? >Chris K. seems to think it's not likely, but they did it to SFGAm and I >don't see why they wouldn't, in turn, put one in SFGAdv. Damn right. :) Old management wouldn't have anything to do with an Impulse. I'm not sure about new management, however. I know that Six Flags was going to give them one next year, but I believe it has since been canceled. I'm glad, personally. Apparently the goal for next year is to get everything working again (Viper, Space Shuttle, Evolution). Now if they just fix Rolling Thunder... >Flying? >Not a Vekoma, but a B&M flier is likely. I'm telling you guys, this is going to be their next big coaster. They have a really strong bond with B&M. Great Adventure just loves them. The B&Ms never gave them any trouble. Like I said before, Great Adventure is done with the gimmicky, risky stuff. I'd be willing to bet that a B&M flyer (with three trains) is their next coaster. The park has a great wooded atmosphere, too. >Haha...I really hope to see a new wooden coaster at the park in the next >few years. I just don't know who would build it, as Six Flags has had >problems with both CCI and GCI. Maybe a Coasterworks!? Not me. I do not want them to get their hands anywhere near another wooden coaster. They CAN'T and WON'T maintain it! Sorry Great Adventure, you're cut off. If they fix and maintain Rolling Thunder, then they'll have a good wooden coaster. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Nov 01 21:34:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 05:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 85173 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 05:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 05:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.187) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 05:34:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:34:49 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 05:34:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: THOUGHTS Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:34:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 05:34:49.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[17286CA0:01C16360] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >I went to a CP website that is stating the most popular rumor for the new >coaster (located on the beach) is a TA2K. Now, I did also read that this >is >going to be a 16 riders to each row (2 rows) type coaster. This Haha! I think you have it backward. The train(s) will feature 16 rows of 2 abreast seating, according to The Sandusky Register (or something). -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Nov 01 22:44:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 06:44:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 20099 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 06:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 06:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 06:44:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 22:44:40 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 06:44:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: THOUGHTS Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 01:44:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 06:44:40.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8E92B00:01C16369] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >I'm not into rumors, betting, or anything, but I would put money on it >being a S:UE/ V2 type of deal, from everything I've heard. >Along the lines of 2 of them, either side by side or facing each other. >The S:TE is a slim possibility, but CP is known for >capacity, and S:TE is a slow capacity hog, so I really tend to doubt that >one. But if it's not the V2 bit, then it will be a >version of S:TE. No way on the TA2K. I tend to disagree. I have no idea what it is. It's probably a larger version of something we've seen before. Cedar Point/Fair isn't into prototypes. Assuming that it's something we've never seen before, then it's one of two things- 1) Intamin Impulse- Fairly good assumption based on the footers. It seems weird that they would consider building one with Six Flags Worlds of Ass right down the road. 2) Thrust Air- Cedar Fair has a solid relationship with our friend Stan Checkets. If our man Stan figured out a way to increase capacity by about 200%, then we might have a winner. However, the footers seem to indicate a footprint that is strictly a straight-line. This could mean that 1) They're not done pouring footers, or 2) it's a shuttle version of the Thrust-Air design. That brings me to my next point. Reasons why it's NOT Superman The Escape- 1) Cedar Point has publicly stated that they do NOT consider S:TE a coaster. 2) Nobody is interested in that ride. Why would you spend all that money on a ride that uses tons of electricity and space to launch a vehicle to 100MPH? Mr. Checketts introduced a way to launch a vehicle to speeds in excess of 100MPH in a fraction of the time, space, and energy. The ThrustAir coaster is cheaper, faster, and more energy (and money) efficient. In any case, I will be surprised if it does turn out to be a shuttle coaster. That's not CP's style! All of their big coasters run nearly 3 minutes in duration. It will be weird if they get something that only lasts 30 seconds. I can see a LOT of people saying "That was way too short!" after waiting 3 hours for it. That says a few things though. I'll bring them up in my next argument. :) >I've said it before and I'll say it again: SFMM and CP don't give a rip who >has the record for most coasters except for a >marketing gimmick to their local constituency. And even then they don't. >SFMM's big deal was they were now the "Extreme Park", >with a minor note being the park with most. They really don't care about >each other but are far more interested in the local >competetion. SFMM put in 3 coasters not because of CP but because DCA was >opening down the road. And CP's competition focus is >SFWoA. I tend to disagree again. I think Cedar Point and SFMM hate each other. The "most coasters in the world" claim is important to Cedar Point. I think SFMM wanted that title for years. SFMM has the advantage. They have Six Flags' seemingly bottomless pocketbook and unlimited funding to build new coasters. Cedar Point/Fair is smart. They only build major rides every couple years. That makes it easy for SFMM to catch up, though. Anyway, Cedar Point is a very proud park. They covet the "coaster capital of the world" title. They're record hogs. They ALWAYS build the world's tallest and fastest this or that. They always have the most rides, etc. They want that record back. They'll at least tie SFMM when they build their new coaster. Also, if this thing is over 300 feet, you can bet that they'll promote the fact that they're the only park with two coasters that exceed 300 feet. Hell, they can claim the only park with three rides that are 300+ feet! Let's discuss WHY Cedar Point would add a shuttle/gimmick coaster- 1- They want to get their record back! A gimmick is a quick, easy way to do that. Otherwise, they would have spent more time planning a bigger ride. 2- They don't have the funding to do anything longer. CF attendance has been down this year apparently, so that could have something to do with it. While SFMM and CP aren't in competition with each other for patrons, they ARE in competition for titles. Which parks do you ALWAYS see on The Discovery Channel? Cedar Point and Six Flags Magic Mountain. The fact that they're both concerned with national exposure shows how competitive they really are. Both parks care very much about having the record for most coasters. When Millennium Force was announced, SFMM protested! They said that they had the tallest coaster with Superman. Cedar Point responded with "We don't consider the Superman ride to be a coaster." That's pretty brave of them! In any case, those are my arguments. Cedar Point and SFMM are very much in direct competition with one another. I think we might see Cedar Point go against everything they've done before in order to catch back up to SFMM. It will be interesting how this all turns out. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Nov 01 22:55:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 06:55:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 38416 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 06:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 06:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 06:55:01 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.28.1d0af681 (4541) for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:54:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <28.1d0af681.29139d3f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 01:54:55 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: THOUGHTS To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/01 12:14:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: > TA2K??? Don't they wish!! Not a chance. > Don't they wish??!! i doubt it. a ride as un-proven and low-capacity as that, i don't think they're wishing for it at all. -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Nov 02 06:07:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 14:07:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 13654 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 14:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 14:07:50 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11019 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:07:49 -0600 Message-Id: <200111021407.IAA11019@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:07:49 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: from "Chris Kearsing" at Nov 02, 2001 12:17:28 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > >Flying? > >Not a Vekoma, but a B&M flier is likely. > > I'm telling you guys, this is going to be their next big coaster. They have > a really strong bond with B&M. Great Adventure just loves them. Everyone says how their home park loves B&M .. so why don't we invert this and try to find a park which DOESN'T like B&M?!! Cam -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From lance@screamscape.com Fri Nov 02 06:28:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 14:28:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 80029 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 14:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 14:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 14:28:28 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15zfJ2-0000PW-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01c163aa$a8be04a0$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <28.1d0af681.29139d3f@aol.com> Subject: 2001 (9th Annual) Internet Wooden Tracked Coaster Poll Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:28:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Mitch Hawker is back for his annual poll... Get the ballot here... http://www.geocities.com/wcoasterpoll/wcpblt01.txt From lance@screamscape.com Fri Nov 02 06:28:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 14:28:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 8811 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 14:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 14:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 14:28:27 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15zfJ1-0000PW-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c163aa$a8162be0$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <28.1d0af681.29139d3f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: THOUGHTS Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:27:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > TA2K??? Don't they wish!! Not a chance. > > > > Don't they wish??!! i doubt it. a ride as un-proven and low-capacity as that, > i don't think they're wishing for it at all. There are some serious problems and issues with the second TA2K in Japan that have caused it not to open it seems. It will take some major work to get that version open, or so I'm told. Seems S&S was not quite ready to make the jump from the prototype to a full scale custom version and has been unable to achieve the proper launch speeds. Problems with the one at PKD have also caused Paramount to no longer consider buying any future versions for their other parks at this time as well. From sammib1898@aol.com Fri Nov 02 07:30:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sammib1898@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 15:30:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 52521 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 15:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 15:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 15:30:27 -0000 Received: from Sammib1898@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.147.3f202bd (3860) for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:30:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <147.3f202bd.291415fd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:30:05 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10505 From: sammib1898@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<<<<>>>>>>>>>> I went on it at Alton, and it's a real shame they got rid of it, as (apart from being a good ride) it had the shortest que for a coaster i have ever seen in England, 20 minutes. Also something about Alton Towers is on http://www.coasterforce.com/ . It is about AIR (the first B&M Flying coaster) being designed to be a "Tame" ride, for young teemagers and pentioners as well as thrillseekers. Sam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sammib1898@aol.com Fri Nov 02 07:48:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sammib1898@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 15:48:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 5582 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 15:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 15:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 15:48:13 -0000 Received: from Sammib1898@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.15c.3681630 (3860) for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:48:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15c.3681630.29141a35@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:48:05 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll..... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10505 From: sammib1898@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<<<>>>>> Didn't the one at Walabi Wavre ( now called Six Flags Belgium) get stuck upside down in the loop?? sam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Fri Nov 02 08:43:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 16:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 73961 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 16:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 16:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.186) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 16:43:32 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp007pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA2GhVj28386 Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:43:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE2CE7D.EA68E809@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:49:01 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Chris Kearsing wrote: > I tend to disagree again. I think Cedar Point and SFMM hate each other. > The "most coasters in the world" claim is important to Cedar Point. I think > SFMM wanted that title for years. SFMM has the advantage. They have Six > Flags' seemingly bottomless pocketbook and unlimited funding to build new > coasters. Cedar Point/Fair is smart. They only build major rides every > couple years. That makes it easy for SFMM to catch up, though. yeah, but you are looking at it from an enthusiast's perspective all the way through here Chris. And we are a very small, tiny percentage of the park population. Enthusiasts do not bring in major funds to the parks- locals do. So the parks focus has to be on the local competition because that is where the $$ are. > Anyway, Cedar Point is a very proud park. They covet the "coaster capital > of the world" title. They're record hogs. They ALWAYS build the world's > tallest and fastest this or that. They always have the most rides, etc. > They want that record back. They'll at least tie SFMM when they build their > new coaster. Also, if this thing is over 300 feet, you can bet that they'll > promote the fact that they're the only park with two coasters that exceed > 300 feet. Hell, they can claim the only park with three rides that are 300+ > feet! Again, it's great for local patrons and advertising to them. Might help draw people away from SFWoA. But except for a very few, not that many people travel from all accross teh country to go there. Numbers and stats I've seen often show it to be less than 5% of the parks overall business- for both SFMM and CP > 1- They want to get their record back! A gimmick is a quick, easy way to do > that. Otherwise, they would have spent more time planning a bigger ride. Actually I think they would be much happier to keep attendance up- especially with SFWoA expanding right down the road from them. The record is one way to help advertise that, but there are a lot of others that much of the GP (the ones that actually pay the bills) may even find more appealing > > While SFMM and CP aren't in competition with each other for patrons, they > ARE in competition for titles. And why would they be in competition for titles? Simply to bring in the patrons. If they don't have one title they'll find another one they do have for the ads. Or go with another slogan entirely. In fact it SFMM really has not been pushing the "most coasters" record at all. They've been pushing "extreme park" above everything. Titles are secondary to getting people through the gates. > Which parks do you ALWAYS see on The > Discovery Channel? Cedar Point and Six Flags Magic Mountain. The fact that > they're both concerned with national exposure shows how competitive they > really are. And who watches the discorvery channel specials? Look at the ratings... It's almost exclusively enthusiasts with a few others thrown in. While they are great shows, and we love them, the ratings on the shows are in truth miniscule. It's not millions watching them, try tens of thousands- maybe. National Exposure? If that's what they are looking for, then are lots of other ways to get it- and you don't have to have a boatload of records to do it. > Both parks care very much about having the record for most > coasters. When Millennium Force was announced, SFMM protested! They said > that they had the tallest coaster with Superman. Cedar Point responded with > "We don't consider the Superman ride to be a coaster." That's pretty brave > of them! Actually that was SFMM enthusiasts vs. CP enthusiasts for the most part. In truth I haven't seen anything official from the parks at all, and again I really don't think they care much. But if it does help, Knott's just down the road here, and owned by Cedar Fair as I recall, doesn't hesitate to admit that Superman is a coaster. Again, outside of advertising, I really don't think the parks care, nor have I ever seen any evidence outside of enthusiast's screaming to show otherwise. > > > In any case, those are my arguments. Cedar Point and SFMM are very much in > direct competition with one another. I think we might see Cedar Point go > against everything they've done before in order to catch back up to SFMM. > It will be interesting how this all turns out. > And again, I don't think they are in competition with each other in the slightest. They might think about the other occaisionally, but worry or care what the other is doing? In truth that would be stupid business. Let's forget our local market and where we get all of our money and focus on a park on the other side of the country and try to compete with them, even though over 90% of the people that walk through our gates have never heard of that park, and that park has no affect on our attendance or spending in any way at all. Have some fun on your next trip to CP and start asking around if people have heard of SFMM. Throughout a whole day you might find one or two. I know that is the case with SFMM. Shoot, even when I was at SFMW, all of 6-7 hours away, it seemed like 1 in 4 didn't know SFMM even existed. Or that it was different in any way. And if the public doesn't have a clue, then the parks worrying about the other one certainly isn't going to be helping them either. keep on ridin George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Nov 02 10:24:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 18:24:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 89760 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 18:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 18:24:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 18:24:13 -0000 Received: (cpmta 25783 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 10:24:13 -0800 Date: 2 Nov 2001 10:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <20011102182412.25782.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Nov 2001 18:24:12 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Nov 2001 10:24:12 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Teeter-Totter (was AIE) From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > >Adam, did you actually see this thing operate?<< > > Worked fine when I was there. It will be interesting > if they sell anything at IAAPA.< How did it work? Did itrock to one end with the train stopping and then after a pause the platform tilted back in the other direction? Or did it make more of a see-saw constant rocking motion? Did it look like the ride platform shook very much or was it smooth and stable? Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Nov 02 10:24:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 18:24:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 31688 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 18:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 18:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 18:24:40 -0000 Received: (cpmta 25842 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 10:24:40 -0800 Date: 2 Nov 2001 10:24:40 -0800 Message-ID: <20011102182440.25841.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Nov 2001 18:24:40 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Nov 2001 10:24:40 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Teeter-Totter (was AIE) From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > >Adam, did you actually see this thing operate?<< > > Worked fine when I was there. It will be interesting > if they sell anything at IAAPA.< How did it work? Did itrock to one end with the train stopping and then after a pause the platform tilted back in the other direction? Or did it make more of a see-saw constant rocking motion? Did it look like the ride platform shook very much or was it smooth and stable? Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Nov 02 10:34:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 18:34:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 82488 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 18:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 18:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.120) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 18:34:11 -0000 Received: (cpmta 24422 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 10:34:10 -0800 Date: 2 Nov 2001 10:34:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20011102183409.24418.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Nov 2001 18:34:09 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Nov 2001 10:34:09 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: What's your winter coaster fix? From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Jay: Can you help me with Octagon Park? I just can't seem to get 10 huge coasters built with such little money.< Unfortunately I'm of no help on this because I haven't done that scenario yet. I can take a look at it this weekend and let you know. I assume you can't have a gate fee, and you have unlimited time. If that's the case, put in *lots* of stock flat rides and concessions with high prices. Build *lots* of paths for a high attendance. Advertise a lot if you can. And then be patient. Money will gradually roll in. Build one coaster as you can afford it and charge a lot to ride it. Just keep pecking at it little by little and you'll probably get there. Without having played it, that's my uninformed take. I had a blast with Vertigo Views. I ended up with twelve big coasters after eight years and I was rolling in cash: I'd payed off my loans and still had about $50,000 in the bank with a park value of around $200,000. (That was the scenario where you had to be earning $8000 per month from rides alone.) I couldn't spend the money fast enough! > Ultimate Ride but have some conflict with my video driver that their tech support couldn't help me with. My kids have played a few times but I want to finish Loopy Landscapes before I get addicted to another computer game.< UR is a bit of sloppy programming, but the Imagineer mode is fun. It's like RCT in that you're given an objective for your coaster construction. Some are pretty challenging. RCT is still the best, though. I could waste away my life playing that game. (When I go to a nursing home, heck, just stick me in front of that game and I'll be fine!) Jay From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Fri Nov 02 10:59:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 18:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23718 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 18:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 18:59:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 18:59:03 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [130.110.1.217]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20394 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:00:28 -0500 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256AF8.00684CAB ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:59:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256AF8.00684A95.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:59:42 -0500 Subject: Re: ADM: RCTalk website information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: "Nate K." ...The major change, however, is that *any trip report posted to the list will automatically be posted on the Geocities group site ... >>> One of the things I liked about the old WoC was that not just any/every trip report was posted. Not every one written is worth keeping. I liked that the old site had an "editor" who chose whether or not to post a TR (and presumably, edited it too). Any chance that our new RCT site can have a similar, "moderated" TR post section instead of an "anything goes" style? (And, no, I'm not volunteering for the editor's job. I don't have the time to do it justice.) From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Nov 02 11:00:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 19:00:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 88746 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 19:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 19:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.116) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 19:00:50 -0000 Received: (cpmta 15303 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 11:00:50 -0800 Date: 2 Nov 2001 11:00:50 -0800 Message-ID: <20011102190050.15302.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 2 Nov 2001 19:00:50 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 02 Nov 2001 11:00:50 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Raging Wolf Bobs (a Bobs coaster in name only, LOOSELY > based on Church design)- SWOA< I rode this a year or so after it opened. It was a POS then and it still is. Why take one of the most terrifying coasters ever built and re-profile it into a "family" (read "lame") ride? > Mean Streak< It was just a bad idea.... It looks good, but it's just too big and it the design cemented Summers' reputation as a maker of subway rides (lots of speed and nothing else). > Wolverine Wildcat (it looks like Phoenix, but let me > tell ya, it ain't Phoenix)- MA< Something must have been wrong with Curtis Summers when he designed this one -- it has some air time. ;-) > Predator (one of two coasters to use trailer > trains...a great example of how not to track a > coaster)- SFDL< I've heard that when the coaster was built, Dinn's crew attached the ledger at the bottom of the first hill a few inches to low--and just left it that way. That would explain why that drop always felt like running over a pothole. This too was supposedly a Cobb design originally. > Hercules (as many have said it was great the first two > seasons...but two seasons don't make a coaster)- DP< Again, what was Summers thinking? There was an impressive drop that lead up into a tangle of track that did nothing. It's as if he'd been told, "Build a coaster that drops down to the lake," and that's all he did. He couldn't figure out how to get back to the station.... > Pegasus- medium-sized coaster in the Netherlands that > has supposedly aged well< I hear so little about this ride. But the fact that it's relatively small might have something to do with its longevity. > American Eagle-Intamin, Summers part of design team< This one was done right (except for the first drop track having to be replaced with steel). > Wildcat-LC-Schmeck, altered by Dinn in 1986< Dinn killed this coaster. Hershey should have simply renovated the original, not bulldoze it and build a new coaster from the ground up. As in so many other Dinn projects, the ride tracks poorly and has no airtime. Schmeck must be rolling in his grave. > Beast- PKI< I could never understand enthusiasts' infatuation with this ride. It's a long woodie and it has an unparalleled helix, but most of the ride bored me. And I think the second lift is an enormous waste of potential energy. Given the fact that the ride ends right after the helix, I bet the terrain could have been used to create just as thrilling a finish without the lift. > Phoenix-relocation< The best thing Dinn ever did (outside of fathering his daughter). > This pair is arguably the most inconsistent in roller > coaster history. < Agreed. > Georgia Cyclone & Psyclone were taken off the same > design and the Grizzlies were the same Schmeck design > (which could be why the one @ PKD is as good as it is)< Well, when you steal from a genius, that's a good start.... Jay From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Nov 02 11:56:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 19:56:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 54030 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 19:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 19:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 19:56:17 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.ce.1cc556a8 (15888) for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-1102145612; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:56:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:56:12 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk George Whined : <> That's because they all have to be OPERATING in order to claim that title. They do have the title for most expensive lawn-ornaments, though :) -Josh (who still wonders this. If deja-vu's slogan is "Ride it again, for the first time" Does that mean we have to wait another 6-8 months again?) From bill@childsfamily.com Fri Nov 02 14:22:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 2 Nov 2001 22:22:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 85049 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2001 22:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2001 22:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.63) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2001 22:22:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bill@childsfamily.com Received: from [10.1.4.65] by n13.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2001 22:19:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:22:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Message-ID: <9rv6bp+k5h4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3BE2CE7D.EA68E809@verizon.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1546 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 From: "Bill Childs" X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm George wrote: > But except for a very few, > not that many people travel from all accross teh country to go there. Numbers and stats I've seen often show it to be less than > 5% of the parks overall business- for both SFMM and CP I don't believe this is an accurate statement for two reasons. First, in several stories I read about the "recession-proof" nature of regional theme parks, Six Flags spokespeople consistently say that around 10% of their parks -- *across the company* -- come from beyond 150 miles. Second, and more importantly, Cedar Fair and SFMM attempt to bill themselves (successfully, in general) as destination parks. Yes, SF bills itself as the world's largest regional theme park company. But, with respect to SFMM, that's not how they operate. If SFMM was a regional theme park only, it wouldn't be nearly as big as it is. (Same with SFGAdv.) Thus, my view (read: speculation) is that the attendance beyond that 150-mile radius is significantly higher for SFMM than it is for many of the SF parks. Similarly, CP is a destination park, not a regional park. Look at the hotel and camping space, and consider the population within 150 miles of CP -- it's significant, but not, by itself, enough to justify that big of a park. That's not to say that the competition between the two may be overstated -- I've no idea. But, for a significant number of parkgoers, they *are* in competition. Not a majority, certainly, but I'd bet on something like 15-20% -- which is enough for it to matter. -Bill From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Nov 02 16:18:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 00:18:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 16071 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 00:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 00:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.158) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 00:18:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20011103001819.1266.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.90.28.208] by web20602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:18:19 PST Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:18:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9rv6bp+k5h4@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Bill Childs wrote: > > That's not to say that the competition between the > two may be > overstated -- I've no idea. But, for a significant > number of > parkgoers, they *are* in competition. Not a > majority, certainly, but > I'd bet on something like 15-20% -- which is enough > for it to matter. Bill. I can possibly agree with the "150 mile radius" thing. I know 'non-enthusiasts' from Illinois, Indiana, North Carolina and DC/MD/VA who have all heard of Ceadr Point, primarily because of the "America's Roller Coast" thing and that big blue bastard Millennium Force. And I'm sure there are many people in San Diego that frequent SFMM. That being said, I *still* have to side with George and say they aren't in real competition. Sure they may both be destination parks, but really, the decision to go to one over the other I would wager is largely influenced by geography. If I live in say Kentucky, no doubt it'd be cheaper to go to CP. Likewise, if I lived in Nevada, SFMM is the choice. The only places where the geographic (and economic) conditions are about the same are like Nebraska,Wyoming, Western Kansas. Those are about the only people the two parks directly fight over. I'm inclined to believe that somewhere around 90% of CP's patrons are from the Great Lakes region and about 90% of SFMM's patrons are from Cali and the Southwest region. In fact, I'd be very suprised to find out otherwise. I just dont believe that there is very much overlap between the two parks. Surely not enough to justify multi-millions woth of capital expenditures. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bill@childsfamily.com Sat Nov 03 05:07:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 13:07:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5070 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 13:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 13:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.58) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 13:07:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bill@childsfamily.com Received: from [10.1.10.109] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2001 13:07:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:07:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Message-ID: <9s0q65+im23@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011103001819.1266.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1717 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 138.88.81.191 From: "Bill Childs" X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Jeremy Norris wrote: > I'm inclined to believe that somewhere around 90% of > CP's patrons are from the Great Lakes region and about > 90% of SFMM's patrons are from Cali and the Southwest > region. In fact, I'd be very suprised to find out > otherwise. I just dont believe that there is very > much overlap between the two parks. Surely not enough > to justify multi-millions woth of capital > expenditures. I'll disagree with the first part (but would be willing to be shown to be wrong), but I might agree with the second. Especially w/r/t SFMM, I think the proportion of out-of-region visitors is significantly higher than 10%. L.A. is undeniably a tourist destination, and SFMM is one of the things a lot of tourists do. CP is in less of a national tourist destination area, but I still expect the percentage to be greater than 10%. That said, the overlap may be minimal and the competition overstated (as I said in my initial post). I certainly agree that the level of competition is not, by itself, enough to justify millions of dollars...but that "by itself" is an important addition, one you left out. It's a factor. Even if we're extremely conservative and say that only 5% of each park's visitors might otherwise have been at the other park, that's a significant difference -- often the difference between profitability and not. So, is the competition *by itself* enough reason to build MF or X or whatever? No. But if it's an otherwise good move -- or even if the management is undecided otherwise -- the competition could, quite reasonably, be a factor. -Bill (who will be in L.A. in about ten days...anything still open?) From lance@screamscape.com Sat Nov 03 05:59:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 13:59:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 63828 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 13:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 13:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 13:59:06 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1601K4-0006Fa-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c1646f$b8fb29e0$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <9s0q65+im23@eGroups.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:59:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > I'm inclined to believe that somewhere around 90% of > > CP's patrons are from the Great Lakes region and about > > 90% of SFMM's patrons are from Cali and the Southwest > > region. In fact, I'd be very suprised to find out > > otherwise. I think your understating the case. I'm sure Cedar Point pulls in more visitors not from the local area than that... and I know all of the Southern California parks rely on about 75% local tourism and 25% from elsewhere... the exception being Disneyland which is more of a 65/35% split since they get more tourists from out of the state and country. This is completely opposite from the park's in Orlando however who are about 30% local region and rely on 70% of tourists from elsewhere... which is why Orlando is in such a bind right now. From thunder1usa1@aol.com Sat Nov 03 08:03:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 16:03:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14932 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 16:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 16:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 16:03:07 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.9d.1db020aa (2169) for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:02:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9d.1db020aa.29156f2b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:02:51 EST Subject: MISC: SFMM v. CP To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 When I posted about SFMM and CP I didn't expect to spark another debate regarding these two parks, but since we have this again I have to say this: I reviewed the article in the Sandusky Register from Saturday, 10/27/01, which quotes CP as stating they don't look upon SFMM as having 15 coasters. The quote from the VP/General Manager states that SFMM has 14 coasters and Superman, TE. This leads to me to ask - if CP (which supposedly could care less about SFMM) will go on record as to comment on the coaster record, who cares more about who and titles? The answer is definitive - CP cares more about what SFMM is doing then SFMM does about CP. I back this up by saying that I have yet to hear SFMM state they are the roller coaster capital of the world. It's all about the extreme park title for them like someone else stated in a previous post. Think back to the announcement last December - what did SFMM management say? It's all about becoming the "xtreme park." Not once did they say that they will have the park with the most coasters. It sounds to me like, atleast according to the article, that CP is going after SFMM's Superman, TE in some way. _____ Joe From regnal@adelphia.net Sat Nov 03 08:28:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 16:28:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 87684 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 16:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 16:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 16:28:27 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GM8GFE00.QOO for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:28:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c16484$2905ef40$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <200111021407.IAA11019@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:25:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram Don't know whether they love them or not but Kennywood doesn't have a B&M ride. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Silver" To: Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... > > > >Flying? > > >Not a Vekoma, but a B&M flier is likely. > > > > I'm telling you guys, this is going to be their next big coaster. They have > > a really strong bond with B&M. Great Adventure just loves them. > > Everyone says how their home park loves B&M .. so why don't we invert this > and try to find a park which DOESN'T like B&M?!! > > Cam > > -- > Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o > cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ > ****************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lance@screamscape.com Sat Nov 03 08:55:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 16:55:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 53260 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 16:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 16:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 16:55:13 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16044U-0004yG-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c16488$527c6b20$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <200111021407.IAA11019@buzzneon.com> <001001c16484$2905ef40$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:55:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > Everyone says how their home park loves B&M .. so why don't we invert this > > and try to find a park which DOESN'T like B&M?!! I don't know about Love or Hate B&M. From what I understand, I've yet to hear any really bad experiences with B&M from the industry. The odded story I was told was about Universal Creative trying to convince B&M that a launched start was the right thing to do for Incredible Hulk. B&M was kind of against that idea and since it wasn't something they had ready, Universal had to outsource the creation of the launch mechanics to another company (MTS - who built the Cat In The Hat / MIB cars) because B&M were unwilling to take responsibility for the system if it failed. A wise move on B&M's part since at the time of the Hulk's design phase, virtually every single new launched coaster had signifigant problems and delays related to their launch systems. (Superman The Escape, Mr Freeze, The Chiller, Volcano, etc...) From a quote I was once told, B&M felt that the whole magnetic Launched technology level too immature for them to risk their reputation on. I seem to also recal a story claiming that B&M and Disney would probably never work together because Disney had a habit of tinkering with the track designs and B&M would not allow it if they were ever working together. This is all hearsay however, so don't put any stock into it. Other than those two stories, I don't think it's a love or hate relationship parks have with B&M... it's rather a matter of which parks are willing to pay for a B&M and which parks are unwilling to do so. (Kennywood is a good example... though the newest coaster they built from scratch was Exterminator... hardley anything for B&M to have been even in consideration for. And Phantom's Revenge wouldn't need B&M's tallents either I'm afraid... so perhaps it's just a matter of time before Kennywood starts to look at adding an Inverted coaster of their own.) From coasterdude18@juno.com Sat Nov 03 09:47:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 17:47:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 99498 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 17:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 17:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 17:47:32 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/YQZUm3tsrrQITcIrd+rN1NL5ZrROCTo1"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKCB72YE; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:47:19 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:46:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RUMOR: SFGAdv. Is it true? Nah... Message-ID: <20011103.114655.-270691.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,13-15 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > > Everyone says how their home park loves B&M .. so why don't we > invert > this > > > and try to find a park which DOESN'T like B&M?!! > I don't know about Love or Hate B&M. From what I understand, I've > yet to > hear any really bad experiences with B&M from the industry. I could be wrong here, but didn't SFMM have some problems with B&M during the design phase of Riddler's Revenge? SFMM wanted a zero-g roll and B&M said they wouldn't do one on a stand-up coaster. I believe this little argument was credited with being at fault for the ride having two diving loops. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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From coasterdude18@juno.com Sat Nov 03 09:52:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 17:52:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 79240 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 17:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 17:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 17:52:46 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/AA6HzGjK4wIBOz+os4YYndiWW/jGOFHl"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKCCGZFZ; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:52:12 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:51:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie Message-ID: <20011103.115141.-270691.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,11-17,19-22 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Wolverine Wildcat (it looks like Phoenix, but let me > > tell ya, it ain't Phoenix)- MA< > Something must have been wrong with Curtis Summers when he designed > this one -- it has some air time. ;-) You really must have lucked out here. When I was there, neither the backseat or front seat gave any air at all. It wasn't necessarily rough, just boring as heck (except for the neat little tunnel before the lift). I wonder if MIA will get two trains for this ride now that CF is in charge; it seems that if they want to expand to draw more crowds, lines could become really awful. > > American Eagle-Intamin, Summers part of design team< > This one was done right (except for the first drop track having to > be replaced with steel). Too bad it's a shadow of its old self because of the extreme overbraking. :-( Even with the braking, though, it's *still* an awesome ride. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sat Nov 03 09:59:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 17:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 48735 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 17:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 17:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 17:59:18 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/VRK8mXyLaPwC2oiUU/KzF7Af6nobUA7L"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKCCVRAW; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:59:10 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:58:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: ADM: RCTalk website information Message-ID: <20011103.115826.-270691.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20,28-29,33-34,40-65 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ...The major change, however, is that *any trip report > posted to the list will automatically be posted on the Geocities > group > site . > One of the things I liked about the old WoC was that not just > any/every > trip report was posted. Not every one written is worth keeping. I > liked that the > old site had an "editor" who chose whether or not to post a TR (and > presumably, > edited it too). > Any chance that our new RCT site can have a similar, > "moderated" TR post > section instead of an "anything goes" style? (And, no, I'm > not > volunteering for the editor's job. I don't have the time to do > it > justice.) You bring up some really good points, Jon. I agree with you that I don't think *every* trip report should be posted; perhaps I should have specified that any trip report *may* be posted on the site. Sometimes, however, it may be useful to post a mediocre review on the site. For instance, if somebody happened to write a review of Jazzland, I would care less about how "good" it is because we don't ever get Jazzland reviews. On the other hand, some parks we get lots of reviews for and can therefore be a little picky. I don't want to sacrifice content of the site for quantity, but I would like to see a good number of trip reports on there. I think as more time goes by and more trip reports get written, we'll be able to be a bit more picky than we may be able to be in the beginning. As for editing, I wouldn't go beyond spell check and basic punctuation. I want the site to look nice, but I don't think it's right for everybody's trip reports to be very editied from their original versions. For right now, everything is really just being played by ear. And when there's stuff up there, we're certainly open to comments, suggestions, and criticisms. Thanks for the suggestions! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com > > > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 11:17:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 19:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 58784 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 19:17:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20011103191755.7834.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.173.184.113] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:17:55 PST Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:17:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >DEJA VU - 2001 Vekoma super invertigo. +4 >As much as I've heard people bash this ride, those >who have actually ridden it know that Deja Vu is a >wonderful ride. The trains vibrate quite a bit >throughout the course, but there aren't any painful >bumps or jolts anywhere. The loading procedures are >slow and pointless - there is no reason at all that ?>employees have to check the seatbelts before the >OTSRs are lowered and locked; they could easily check >both at the same time. Does your version have an orange waist belt as well as a black belt connecting the OTSR to the seat? They do at SFOG and it hurt already bad loading times. Just another reason why parks should take safety advice from experts, not the GP. >The ride up the first lift is *extremely* unnerving, >especially on an outside seat where you feel very >isolated and unrestrained the whole way up. The >vertical drop is great and the train is back through >the station and into the cobra roll within a few >seconds. Definitley. What amazed me was that, while going up the lift backwards, about halfway there I did not think it could get any steeper- yet it did. >You don't even notice the platform under the cobra >roll as you whip through it, and then fly back down >towards the ground. Then comes the loop, which is >taken very fast and, thus, is extremely intense. I thought it was fun, but for some reason the loop did not seem that intense...in fact, even less so than an Invertigo. >As you rush up the second tower, the catch grabs the >train and pulls it up without a hitch - it feels very >seamless. Unlike the boomerangs I've ridden, there's >a long pause after you reach the top before the catch >releases, and you experience another great drop. The >loop, again, is very intense but the cobra roll is >taken *much* slower than before. And then it's back >through the station and into my favorite part of the >ride; in the backseat there is some fantastic >hangtime when the catch grabs the train and lifts it >back up towards the top. I liked this part, but the first time I had my hands up. During the pop of air they slammed back into that wierd flange of padding Vekoma puts on the outside of the OTSR so I had a huge bruise on my arms for the rest of the day. >Deja Vu is fast, intense, and very forceful. It >would have been hard to be more surprised by this >ride, as it completely blew me away. The backseat is >the best for the hangtime, and make sure you get an >outside seat (as there is a noticeable difference). >I never thought I'd say this, but, "Great job, >Vekoma!" I really look forward to riding this a lot >next spring. I guess my question is, do you think this ride has a forumla that will last? I found it very frightening the first time, but after that I thought the ride lost its bite. In fact (speaking of bite), I enjoyed the Viper (Schwarzkopf shuttle) more for repeatability than the Vekoma. Granted, I am a big Schwarzkopf fan, but I found Viper to be a much better ride experience than Deja Vu. But hey, my opinions are often in the minority :) Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 12:32:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 20:32:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 3814 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.158) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 20:32:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20011103203236.6602.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.208.164.131] by web20602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:32:36 PST Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:32:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <004801c1646f$b8fb29e0$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Lance Hart wrote: > > > I'm inclined to believe that somewhere around > 90% of > > > CP's patrons are from the Great Lakes region and > about > > > 90% of SFMM's patrons are from Cali and the > Southwest > > > region. In fact, I'd be very suprised to find > out > > > otherwise. > > I think your understating the case. I'm sure Cedar > Point pulls in > more visitors not from the local area than that... > and I know all of > the Southern California parks rely on about 75% > local tourism and > 25% from elsewhere... the exception being Disneyland > which is > more of a 65/35% split since they get more tourists > from out of the > state and country. This is to both Lance and Bill. I guess our major conflict is what do you consider "local" and what is "elsewhere". I *would* consider LA 'local' to SFMM; likewise Toledo and Cleveland to CP. However, I would not consider Sacramento and San Diego 'local' to SFMM nor Chicago and Cincinatti to CP. It seems to me that SFI has similar thinkong because as Bill has stated 'local' to them means within 150 miles. The regions I described are HUGE in themselves (Cali/Southwest = Cali/New Mexico/Arizona/Nevada; Great Lakes = Minnesota/WisconsinIllinois/Indiana/Ohio/Michigan/Penn/New York). I think it's a strech to think that even 5% of SFMM's or CP's attendance comes from outside of these zones. Bill goes on to suggest that the big capital investments might be 'pushed over the top' by the record-seeking; being good choice on their own merits. I would submit that the records are just a positive by-product of the 'good choice' and does not enter the boardroom at decision making time. SFMM and CP influence each other only in the very general sence. The 'state of the industry' says that to remain competitive, one must continue to provide heavy thrills. But in that vague sence, one could say that Holiday World is in competition with SFGAdv! Sorry, I'm just not buying that the moves of SFMM *directly* affect the decisions of CP! In the absence of some sort of proof, I dont believe that an attendance increase in one park will result in an attendence decrease in the other park. Now SFMMvKBF and CPvSFWoA are different stories! jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 13:21:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 21:21:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 36075 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 21:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 21:21:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20401.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.120) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 21:21:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20011103212149.88599.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.130.74.122] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:21:49 PST Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:21:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Demolished/Removed/Relocated coaster count poll..... To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Didn't the one at Walabi Wavre ( now called Six Flags >Belgium) get stuck upside down in the loop?? sam I know one of the European ones did, so I guess it was that one. I beleive a wheel assembly sheared and locked the train in an upside down position. Of course, no one fell out, proving once again that Anton got it right. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 13:24:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 21:24:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 93846 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 21:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 21:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20405.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.124) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 21:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20011103212456.84086.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.130.74.122] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:24:56 PST Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:24:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MISC: Teeter-Totter (was AIE) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >How did it work? Did it rock to one end with the >train stopping and then after a pause the platform >tilted back in the other direction? Or did it make >more of a see-saw constant rocking motion? Did it >look like the ride platform shook very much or was it >smooth and stable? Jay It was a constant rocking motion, but it the rocking was paused on the ends to compensate for the car getting enough speed to pull away from the magnets. I believe the version there was portable and seemed quite stable. There was virtually no structural movement. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 13:38:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 3 Nov 2001 21:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 77765 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 21:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2001 21:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.121) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 21:38:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20011103213839.11617.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.130.74.122] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 13:38:39 PST Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:38:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy On the subject of the RWB: >I rode this a year or so after it opened. It was a >POS then and it still is. Why take one of the most >terrifying coasters ever built and re-profile it into >a "family" (read "lame") ride? I heard that someone in mgmt. at the park (I think the GM) was SO excited about the RWB because he felt it would put the coaster on the map. But, they did not realize that by asking for a family version of the once-great coaster that the only way they got recognition was because the coaster sucked (and still does!). >I've heard that when the coaster was built, Dinn's >crew attached the ledger at the bottom of the first >hill a few inches to low--and just left it that way. >That would explain why that drop always felt like >running over a pothole. This too was supposedly a >Cobb design originally. If Cobb had designed it the coaster would have probably been fun and more intense (well, if the trailered trains were not on it and it did not get the current maitenence program). >Dinn killed this coaster. Hershey should have simply >renovated the original, not bulldoze it and build a >new coaster from the ground up. As in so many other >Dinn projects, the ride tracks poorly and has no >airtime. Schmeck must be rolling in his grave. Yup. I try to remind EVERYONE who says how bad-to-mediocre the coaster is that it is a Dinn ride in actuality and a Schmeck design in name only. At first I thought it would not have been an amazing ride, but then I remembered that the Phoenix does not look like anything special, either. My theory on Phoenix is that Dick Knoebel and John Moyer told Dinn not to take any poetic license with the design and only re-build the coaster, not re-design it. >I could never understand enthusiasts' infatuation >with this ride. It's a long woodie and it has an >unparalleled helix, but most of the ride bored me. >And I think the second lift is an enormous waste of >potential energy. Given the fact that the ride ends >right after the helix, I bet the terrain could have >been used to create just as thrilling a finish >without the lift. This is one coaster I agree with you on. It has never done a lot for me. I have heard it is amazing when the brakes are down and actually delivers airtime on a hill or two (gasp!). However, those are the exceptions, not the rules, and I really feel that a coaster should be rated on how it runs for the bulk of the season, not just during an ERT session. This coaster does nothing for me except the last two helixes. My favorite wood coaster in the park is still the Racer, even with as much as PKI has butchered that thing I still find it the most appealing (burn, SOB, burn!) in the park. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "The city (New York) was not the endless sucssion of canyons that he had supposed, but it had limits fading out into the country on all sides into an expanse of green and blue that alone was limitless. And with the awful realization that New York was a city after all and not a universe the whole shining edifice that he had reared in his imagintion had come crashing to the ground." F. Scott Fitzgerald, "My Lost City" *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sat Nov 03 16:34:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 00:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 60246 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 00:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 00:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20605.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.163) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 00:34:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20011104003404.74308.qmail@web20605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.84.43] by web20605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:34:04 PST Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:34:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011103213839.11617.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Adam Sandy wrote: > This is one coaster I agree with you on. It has > never > done a lot for me. I have heard it is amazing when > the brakes are down and actually delivers airtime on > a > hill or two (gasp!). However, those are the > exceptions, not the rules, and I really feel that a > coaster should be rated on how it runs for the bulk > of > the season, not just during an ERT session. This > coaster does nothing for me except the last two > helixes. Yeah, I'm not a big beast Fan either. It was long, and the ending helix was cool. But after riding another coaster with a killer helix and better *other* parts (i.e. The Legend). Beast just seems mediocre, in fact, IMO, it's not much different than Mean Streak (save the helix). I'd like to ride it once without the brakes as I think that turn right after the midcourse brake shed would have hella laterals! My favorite wood coaster in the park is > still the Racer, even with as much as PKI has > butchered that thing I still find it the most > appealing (burn, SOB, burn!) in the park. Of course, here I will just invoke *my clause* and not comment further....=] jeremy --who still loves ole Sonny boy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From lance@screamscape.com Sat Nov 03 19:39:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 03:39:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 63149 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 03:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 03:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 03:39:06 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 160E7Y-0007gJ-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:38:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c164e2$445e45e0$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20011103203236.6602.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 22:39:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > This is to both Lance and Bill. I guess our major > conflict is what do you consider "local" and what is > "elsewhere". I *would* consider LA 'local' to SFMM; > likewise Toledo and Cleveland to CP. However, I would > not consider Sacramento and San Diego 'local' to SFMM > nor Chicago and Cincinatti to CP. Now, there is no way Sacramento would be considered local to LA... but San Diego is only 90 miles from LA... 90 minutes to Disneyland and 2.5 hours to SFMM... so that I do consider local. So when I say SoCal... I mean SoCal. Everything from San Diego up to SFMM. Population wise... LA is the #1 city in the country and San Diego was #6 last time I checked, and with the exception of the marine base between the two... there is a constant state of development from the Mexican border up to the SFMM area... so your talking a butt load to people to attend the SoCal parks that would be considered local... Then there are the those from the outer regions willing to drive to get to the parks.... Arizona, Nevada and the Central California areas. There are quite a few of them... all willing to make the drive, but I don't consider them as locals into my ratio of locals vs outsiders. Then we can also bring up the subject of Mexican tourists as well. Don't think it happens? Just go to about any mall in San Diego on a Sunday afternoon... > I think it's a strech to think that even 5% of > SFMM's or CP's attendance comes from outside of these > zones. You'd be surprised... at SFMM I'd say just 5% of the park guests are not even from the USA. China, Japan, Europe, Australia, Mexico, etc. I'd say that Arizona tourists can easily make up another 5%. These people drive 5-6 hours just to go to the Beach for the day. SFMM does have a reputation known throughout the world to the average tourist. (non coaster enthusiast). Though I will admit that of all the parks in SoCal, the one that probably gets the lowest number of outsider guests is SFMM... but that is comparing it to Disney, Universal, SeaWorld, Knott's etc... as well as the fact that SFMM has the most remote location of all of the parks in SoCal. > Bill goes on to suggest that the big capital > investments might be 'pushed over the top' by the > record-seeking; being good choice on their own merits. > I would submit that the records are just a positive > by-product of the 'good choice' and does not enter the > boardroom at decision making time. No... parks do sometimes say... "I want to build the biggest "Z" style ride... who has the current record? How much would it cost to beat that?" They know when they set records anyway just because I'm sure the ride designer will make them pay extra for the R&D. > SFMM and CP influence each other only in the very > general sence. The 'state of the industry' says that > to remain competitive, one must continue to provide > heavy thrills. But in that vague sence, one could say > that Holiday World is in competition with SFGAdv! > Sorry, I'm just not buying that the moves of SFMM > *directly* affect the decisions of CP! In the absence > of some sort of proof, I dont believe that an > attendance increase in one park will result in an > attendence decrease in the other park. Now SFMMvKBF > and CPvSFWoA are different stories! You are correct that SFMM and CP do not affect the attendance at each other's park in the slightest... however the two parks do eye each other as competitors in the world of building some of the biggest or best thrill rides on the planet. Over the years, talking to various employees at SFMM, I can tell you that more than once I heard that a long range goal was to eventually take the record for Most Coasters away from CP. But that is just SFMM... and they have always had the additiude of building bigger and better monsters each year and keeping an eye on the global state of theme parks and such. SFMM had to make sure that they would be able to claim that their Reverse Freefall Coaster (Superman: The Escape) would be "higher" than the version in Australia... so that they would have the record in Guiness and not Dreamworld. (Technically the cars go up the same height at the same speed but SFMM gets bonus height by putting the ride station on the mountain and the tower base down lower, giving their tower section more height). So as you said... they are connected in a general fashion, and usually the moves of one wouldn't affect another, but sometimes they do keep careful watch on each other. From DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM Sun Nov 04 12:12:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 20:12:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 59707 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 20:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 20:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 20:12:42 -0000 Received: from DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.ce.1cd671ec (18251) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:12:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:12:37 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SFMM v. CP To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Profile: castmembermagic In a message dated 11/3/2001 8:04:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, thunder1usa1@aol.com writes: << It's all about becoming the "xtreme park." Not once did they say that they will have the park with the most coasters. >> It's ALL ABOUT being the park with the most coasters. They did, in fact mention that SFMM "now takes the title as having more coasters than anywhere else on earth." They're becoming the "Xtreme Park" because they have the most coasters on the planet." That's the whole point! Now let me ask this: quality-wise which is the better park? Including this year's new rides, which park has the overall best collection of coasters? BTW, will SFMM have a new coaster for 2002, or is that....X.... Is Goliath any good? They REALLY should have gone with INTAMIN! A S:ROS would probably be a far better choice! WHY DIDN'T THEY GO WITH THAT? 3 S:ROS rides on the East Coast and none here? WHY? (--Daniel) Kyle: Ahmed knows the Chickasaws too. He IS the person who promised you to discontinue use of that word. He went to Astroland to find it closed. He wanted the name that you came up with. Understand? Please no RCT reply. From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Nov 04 14:20:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 22:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 39809 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 22:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 22:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.133) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 22:20:30 -0000 Received: (cpmta 21773 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 14:18:32 -0800 Date: 4 Nov 2001 14:18:32 -0800 Message-ID: <20011104221832.21772.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 4 Nov 2001 22:18:32 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 04 Nov 2001 14:18:32 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > If Cobb had designed it the coaster would have > probably been fun and more intense (well, if the > trailered trains were not on it and it did not get the > current maitenence program).< Refresh me on this -- what's the difference between a PTC "trailered" train and a "normal" one? > My theory on > Phoenix is that Dick Knoebel and John Moyer told Dinn > not to take any poetic license with the design and > only re-build the coaster, not re-design it.< You're probably right. I guess we could ask Dick Knoebel -- he'd most likely be glad to tell us. I should ask Dick Burch about the Comet next time I see him. I think Charlie Wood took the same approach (though he didn't have Dinn work on it): just re-build the original. You don't mess with a good thing.... > My favorite wood coaster in the park is > still the Racer, even with as much as PKI has > butchered that thing I still find it the most > appealing (burn, SOB, burn!) in the park.< LOL! Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Nov 04 14:24:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 22:24:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 47483 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 22:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 22:24:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.133) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 22:24:16 -0000 Received: (cpmta 21955 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 14:24:12 -0800 Date: 4 Nov 2001 14:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <20011104222412.21954.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 4 Nov 2001 22:24:12 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 04 Nov 2001 14:24:12 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Teeter-Totter (was AIE) From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It was a constant rocking motion, but it the rocking > was paused on the ends to compensate for the car > getting enough speed to pull away from the magnets.< So it *wasn't* constant? ;-) In other words, it tipped so the car went up, then the car slowly inched off the magnets and rolled to the lower end? > There was virtually no structural movement.< Maybe there's hope for CAD after all! Were people riding it at the AIE? Did you get a chance? I'd be interested to know how people react to the experience. Were there any mechanical stops on the beam, or just the magnets? Jay From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 15:17:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 23:17:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 51704 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 23:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 23:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.121) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 23:17:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20011104231758.53671.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.152.20.251] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 15:17:58 PST Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:17:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >> If Cobb had designed it the coaster would have >> probably been fun and more intense (well, if the >> trailered trains were not on it and it did not get >> the current maitenence program). >Refresh me on this -- what's the difference between a >PTC "trailered" train and a "normal" one? I have said before & I will say it again, I am a historian and not a mechanic, so my definition would suck big time. The best thing I can say about the difference is to direct you to Dave Althoff's page on coaster cars at: http://capital2.capital.edu/admin-staff/dalthoff/coastercar.html It seems to get the message across to both mechanically-geared people and mechanical morons like myself. I liked the page so much I added it as a link on my website some time ago. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 04 15:28:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Nov 2001 23:28:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 41682 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 23:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2001 23:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20405.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.124) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 23:28:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20011104232846.25497.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.152.20.251] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 15:28:46 PST Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:28:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MISC: Teeter-Totter (was AIE) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >So it *wasn't* constant? ;-) In other words, it >tipped so the car went up, then the car slowly inched >off the magnets and rolled to the lower end? Yes, yes, after I sent it I realized what I wrote made no snese. >> There was virtually no structural movement.< >Maybe there's hope for CAD after all! Were people >riding it at the AIE? Did you get a chance? I'd be >interested to know how people react to the experience. I did not, but a lot of carnival owner's kids did and they liked it. The problem is going to be convincing parents to ride it as well as kids, which is the rides purpose. It is a large investment and will not be a profitable one unless carnivals (and parks to a lesser extent) can convince the entire family to ride. I will probably try it out at IAAPA. >Were there any mechanical stops on the beam, or just >the magnets? Just magnets. However, there were two colors of mangets. The outer-most on either end were one color (I think silver), while the inner-pair were copper. Here is a crude ASCII drawing that may not turn out |------|------|---------------|------|------| Silver Copper Unbraked Track Silver Copper |------|------|---------------|------|------| My guess is that the copper brakes were stronger than the silver ones. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com Sun Nov 04 17:08:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 01:08:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2798 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 01:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 01:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 01:08:46 -0000 Received: from CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.fb.1c4dfcff (3960) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:08:38 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Stratosphere Needs Your Help To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterkinglvnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you go to www.rollercoasterz.com theres a link where you can email our mayor (Oscar Goodman) and tell him how you think about the project. John (who loves The Stratosphere Tower) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Nov 04 22:45:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 06:45:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 85545 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 06:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 06:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp006pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.185) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 06:45:45 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA56jh802526 Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:45:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE636E4.2D9EA1B0@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 22:51:16 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SFMM v. CP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM wrote: > It's ALL ABOUT being the park with the most coasters. They did, in fact > mention that SFMM "now takes the title as having more coasters than anywhere > else on earth." They're becoming the "Xtreme Park" because they have the > most coasters on the planet." That's the whole point! No, it's not all about having the most coasters, it's all about getting as many people through the gates as possible. Yes they mentioned (very small mention) at their announcement of all 3 coasters that it would give them the record, but that is the only mention, as opposed to "Xtreme Park" being plastered everywhere, on every commercial, etc. The record truthfully is of little importance to them or you would sure be seeing them making a much bigger production out of it. > Now let me ask this: > quality-wise which is the better park? Including this year's new rides, > which park has the overall best collection of coasters? BTW, will SFMM have > a new coaster for 2002, or is that....X.... No announcement yet on what they will do for 2002, so we're all waiting to hear. And while it looks like X will open in '02, I'm sure that is not their planned new attraction. As for which park is best, way to many arguements about it, and it's very simply all opinion, very little factual. They are both good parks, and both are worth visiting, and I'd leave it at that (though right now SF still has a bit of an advantage in my book since I still haven't received my refund from CP ;-) > > Is Goliath any good? They REALLY should have gone with INTAMIN! A S:ROS > would probably be a far better choice! WHY DIDN'T THEY GO WITH THAT? 3 > S:ROS rides on the East Coast and none here? WHY? Yes, Goliath is awesome! An incredible ride, and definately worth their investment. Why didn't they go with Intiman? I can think of a ton of reasons (lots of technical glitches on the rides SFMM has bought from them, $$, to much workload in other places, etc). And personally I much prefer them having something original than another clone. If we've already got 3 S:ROS (2 of which are near identical), why do we need another one? I think that Goliath and Giovanola was a far better choice on a myriad of fronts at the time. keep on ridin George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From supermanros@hotmail.com Sun Nov 04 23:17:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 07:17:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 51758 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 07:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 07:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.11) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 07:17:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:17:20 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 07:17:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:17:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2001 07:17:20.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8783B30:01C165C9] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >yeah, but you are looking at it from an enthusiast's perspective all the >way through here Chris. And we are a very small, tiny >percentage of the park population. Enthusiasts do not bring in major funds >to the parks- locals do. So the parks focus has to be >on the local competition because that is where the $$ are. No, I'm looking at this through a marketing perspective. My main point is that Cedar Point and Six Flags Magic Mountain are in direct competition with each other for the records. While they're not competing for each other's patrons, they are competing for the bragging rights that will bring the respective parks more of their own patrons. >Again, it's great for local patrons and advertising to them. Might help >draw people away from SFWoA. But except for a very few, >not that many people travel from all accross teh country to go there. >Numbers and stats I've seen often show it to be less than >5% of the parks overall business- for both SFMM and CP Yes, but they have to compete with each other to get those records. Again, I did not say that CP and SFMM are competing for each other's business. >Actually I think they would be much happier to keep attendance up- >especially with SFWoA expanding right down the road from them. >The record is one way to help advertise that, but there are a lot of others >that much of the GP (the ones that actually pay the >bills) may even find more appealing What's more appealing to the GP than "tallest fastest" this or that? Of course CP wants to keep attendance up. How does Cedar Point do that? World records. It's been that way for the past 25 years. >And why would they be in competition for titles? Simply to bring in the >patrons. If they don't have one title they'll find >another one they do have for the ads. Or go with another slogan entirely. >In fact it SFMM really has not been pushing the "most >coasters" record at all. They've been pushing "extreme park" above >everything. Titles are secondary to getting people through >the gates. That's because SFMM doesn't have the most operating coasters. I'm sure that if they get X up and running before CP opens their next coaster, they'll promote the "most coasters" title. However, Cedar Point is the park that's very proud of their titles. Like I said, that's how Cedar Point brings them in- world records. They don't go for innovation, they go for the proven rides. SFMM doesn't necessarily share the same technique. >And who watches the discorvery channel specials? Look at the ratings... >It's almost exclusively enthusiasts with a few others >thrown in. While they are great shows, and we love them, the ratings on >the shows are in truth miniscule. It's not millions >watching them, try tens of thousands- maybe. National Exposure? If that's >what they are looking for, then are lots of other ways >to get it- and you don't have to have a boatload of records to do it. What do the ratings on the show have to do with anything? How do you get on National TV without having something special? There are four ways an amusement park gets national news coverage- 1- Record Breaking Ride (How many times did you see Goliath and MoFo on the news?) 2- New Innovation- Remember when Batman The Ride was introduced? Project Stealth received a lot of attention too. 3- Major Accident 4- You're Disney I've worked with The Discovery Channel before (I was in Wild Rides II!), and I know what they're interested in. They want the biggest, newest, and best. It's all a big publicity thing. If you want your park on TV (which CP obviously DOES), then you build the biggest or newest thing. Plus, you'd be surprised how many people watch The Discovery Channel. When I was on there, I had a lot of people come up to me and tell me they saw me on that show. They're played quite often on Discovery and The Learning Channel. >Actually that was SFMM enthusiasts vs. CP enthusiasts for the most part. >In truth I haven't seen anything official from the parks >at all, and again I really don't think they care much. But if it does >help, Knott's just down the road here, and owned by Cedar >Fair as I recall, doesn't hesitate to admit that Superman is a coaster. >Again, outside of advertising, I really don't think the >parks care, nor have I ever seen any evidence outside of enthusiast's >screaming to show otherwise. I have. Cedar Point publicly stated that they consider SFMM to have 14 coasters and Superman. It was in The Sandusky Register! If they didn't care, they wouldn't have made a public statement! Also, when Mofo was announced, SFMM publicly disputed the claims. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have bothered to defend their investments. Just because you haven't seen the evidence doesn't mean the friction isn't there. I'm sure someone can pull up the articles, as they do exist. >And again, I don't think they are in competition with each other in the >slightest. They might think about the other >occaisionally, but worry or care what the other is doing? In truth that >would be stupid business. Let's forget our local market >and where we get all of our money and focus on a park on the other side of >the country and try to compete with them, even though >over 90% of the people that walk through our gates have never heard of that >park, and that park has no affect on our attendance or >spending in any way at all. >Have some fun on your next trip to CP and start asking around if people >have heard of SFMM. Throughout a whole day you might find >one or two. I know that is the case with SFMM. Shoot, even when I was at >SFMW, all of 6-7 hours away, it seemed like 1 in 4 >didn't know SFMM even existed. Or that it was different in any way. And >if the public doesn't have a clue, then the parks >worrying about the other one certainly isn't going to be helping them >either. That's not my point, though. Again, Cedar Point isn't concerned with people in Southern California choosing CP over SFMM. They're a pompous park who wants all the records they can get their hands on. How many times are they in the Guiness book? It's undisputable that SFMM and CP are the two parks who hog all the coverage time on TV. Both CP and SFMM have "behind the scenes" shows out there. They're definitely aware of each other and they're definitely competing. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Nov 05 01:36:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 09:36:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 6171 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 09:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 09:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 09:36:51 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/aq2I0n9uVgPbRlIUscbBwjDzMwBU2Gu1"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKGLXDNW; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 04:36:50 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:05:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) Message-ID: <20011105.033557.-481583.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,17-20,25-27 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I didn't get a ride on Eagle because the wait filled much of the > > inside > > queue and, of course, Six Flags ran one side all night. I'm > > sorry, but I > > don't believe anyone who says that Six Flags does run both sides > > at once > They were doing it when I went there in August. And sometimes the > trains even accidentally raced ! ;-) Were they actually running both sides (i.e. you could queue up for either side) or were they just taking care of one side's queue while they switched operation from one side to the other? The only times I've seen both sides running simultaneously is when, say, they'd been running the blue side in the morning and, in order to switch operation to the red side mid-day, they close off the blue side queue and open up the red side queue. Then they run both sides until the blue side queue is gone, so they can then close off one side once again. > What is it with those odd side headrests on the train? Haha...it took me a long time before it finally dawned on me what they're for. I'm still not absolutely positive, but I think they're to prevent people from being able to slap hands with the other racing train (back when they did race). If you didn't notice, it's impossible to extend your hand outside of the train with those darned things. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Nov 05 01:36:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 39648 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 09:36:52 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/aq2I0n9uVgNa6C/M1LiaFNuhbAfG3Ljj"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKGLXDSB; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 04:36:50 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 03:35:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: SFMM v. CP Message-ID: <20011105.033557.-481583.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,15-24,26-31,38-49 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > << It's all about becoming the "xtreme park." Not once did > they say that they will have the park with the most coasters. >> > It's ALL ABOUT being the park with the most coasters. They did, > in fact > mention that SFMM "now takes the title as having more coasters than > anywhere > else on earth." They're becoming the "Xtreme Park" because they > have the > most coasters on the planet." That's the whole point! Oh, I don't buy that at all. Do your really believe that if CP had more coasters than the mountain, SFMM wouldn't still push the "Xtreme park" bit? Of course they would! It's an ad campaign that has *nothing* to do with having the most coasters. They're the "Xtreme Park" because they chose a clever title to bill their park with. > Now let me > ask this: > quality-wise which is the better park? Including this year's new > rides, > which park has the overall best collection of coasters? BTW, will > SFMM have > a new coaster for 2002, or is that....X.... There are rumors flying around, but I wouldn't expect anything huge, if it is a coaster afterall. > Is Goliath any good? They REALLY should have gone with INTAMIN! > A S:ROS > would probably be a far better choice! Much of that, I'm sure, has to do with Goliath's location - all the S:ROS coasters have turns on/just above ground level that (from my understanding) wouldn't work with Goliath's footprint because much of it is built right over the top of Colossus. And honestly, Six Flags doesn't care as much about the actual quality of the ride when compared to the stats of the coaster. And understand that Intamin rides are very expensive. > Kyle: Ahmed knows the Chickasaws too. He IS the person who promised > you to > discontinue use of that word. He went to Astroland to find it > closed. He > wanted the name that you came up with. Understand? Please no RCT > reply. What??? -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Nov 05 01:36:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 56730 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 09:36:53 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/aq2I0n9uVgOH3bHD7SaA0/ja5XwSmVPj"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKGLXDQ7; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 04:36:50 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 03:30:36 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) Message-ID: <20011105.033557.-481583.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16,29-41,43-53,57-77,89-90,99-101 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >DEJA VU - 2001 Vekoma super invertigo. +4 > >As much as I've heard people bash this ride, those > >who have actually ridden it know that Deja Vu is a > >wonderful ride. The trains vibrate quite a bit > >throughout the course, but there aren't any painful > >bumps or jolts anywhere. The loading procedures are > >slow and pointless - there is no reason at all that > ?>employees have to check the seatbelts before the > >OTSRs are lowered and locked; they could easily check > >both at the same time. > Does your version have an orange waist belt as well as > a black belt connecting the OTSR to the seat? They do > at SFOG and it hurt already bad loading times. Just > another reason why parks should take safety advice > from experts, not the GP. Yep. Though I hear SFoG's was the first to receive the orange waist belts, they've since been put on all three of the Deja Vu coasters. The belts wouldn't bother me if they could just check the belts while they check the OTSRs instead of going through the train twice. One thing our Deja Vu has that SFoG's doesn't (or didn't) is the catwalk/platform under the cobra roll. It's really kind of an ugly contraption, but I suppose it's better than getting stuck up there. You gotta' love how this thing has evacuation platforms under almost all of the course! This platform wasn't there during your visit, was it? I know that Six Flags has been building one at SFMM, so I'd assume SFoG's Deja Vu is getting one, too. America Coasters has pictures at http://americacoasters.com/SFMMConstruction/oct30/07.htm and http://americacoasters.com/SFMMConstruction/oct30/06.htm . > >The ride up the first lift is *extremely* unnerving, > >especially on an outside seat where you feel very > >isolated and unrestrained the whole way up. The > >vertical drop is great and the train is back through > >the station and into the cobra roll within a few > >seconds. > Definitley. What amazed me was that, while going up > the lift backwards, about halfway there I did not > think it could get any steeper- yet it did. Deja Vu is the only coaster where I've gotten nervous on the lift hill (and yes, I've ridden Millennium Force). > >You don't even notice the platform under the cobra > >roll as you whip through it, and then fly back down > >towards the ground. Then comes the loop, which is > >taken very fast and, thus, is extremely intense. > I thought it was fun, but for some reason the loop did > not seem that intense...in fact, even less so than an > Invertigo. The coaster has so many brakes, I wonder if SFoG's runs differently (more slowly). There were a few other enthusiasts there, and everyone was commenting on the ride's intensity. I didn't grey out, but I had some difficulty walking after getting off! > >Deja Vu is fast, intense, and very forceful. It > >would have been hard to be more surprised by this > >ride, as it completely blew me away. The backseat is > >the best for the hangtime, and make sure you get an > >outside seat (as there is a noticeable difference). > >I never thought I'd say this, but, "Great job, > >Vekoma!" I really look forward to riding this a lot > >next spring. > I guess my question is, do you think this ride has a > forumla that will last? I found it very frightening > the first time, but after that I thought the ride lost > its bite. In fact (speaking of bite), I enjoyed the > Viper (Schwarzkopf shuttle) more for repeatability > than the Vekoma. Granted, I am a big Schwarzkopf fan, > but I found Viper to be a much better ride experience > than Deja Vu. But hey, my opinions are often in the > minority :) If the ride's 3 hour wait doesn't speak for itself, I'd say the number of people leaving the ride and getting right back in line did - people LOVE this coaster (and I do too!). It's not *the* most intense roller coaster out there, but it's certainly on the higher end. And with the vertical lifts and drops, there's a nice combination of airtime, dizzying intensity, and pure speed (blasting through the station). I can't compare it to a Schwarzkopf shuttle lift because, unfortunately, I've never been on one (which isn't saying that I don't want to!). While Deja Vu isn't something I'd wait in line over and over again for, I'd grab a ride each visit. And on the rare days where SFGAm isn't packed, I'd love to ride this thing over and over again. Of course, the fact that all three of my rides were at night could have something to do with it! One other thing I forgot to mention in my review was the heaters in the station. Supposedly, Deja Vu can't run in weather under 50 because the grease is too think (which makes me thing "use some different grease!!!") but there must be some other contributing factor. So the park invested in some heat lamps (they look like those long flourescent light bulbs, but they're red hot) and they line both sides of the track all the way through the station. That way, when the train is parked there's a good heat source blowing right on it. That's something I haven't seen before and I thought it was a bit humorous. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Nov 05 06:11:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 14:11:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 82948 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 14:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 14:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 14:11:09 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06571 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:11:08 -0600 Message-Id: <200111051411.IAA06571@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:11:07 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <20011105.033557.-481583.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Nov 04, 2001 11:05:58 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > > I didn't get a ride on Eagle because the wait filled much of the > > > inside > > > queue and, of course, Six Flags ran one side all night. I'm > > > sorry, but I > > > don't believe anyone who says that Six Flags does run both sides > > > at once > > > They were doing it when I went there in August. And sometimes the > > trains even accidentally raced ! ;-) > > Were they actually running both sides (i.e. you could queue up for either > side) or were they just taking care of one side's queue while they > switched operation from one side to the other? The only times I've seen > both sides running simultaneously is when, say, they'd been running the > blue side in the morning and, in order to switch operation to the red > side mid-day, they close off the blue side queue and open up the red side > queue. Then they run both sides until the blue side queue is gone, so > they can then close off one side once again. Man, I went to Great America about 10 times this year, and probably 40 or 50 times last year .. nearly every time I go, they are running both sides of the Eagle. They hardly every run both sides early and late in the season as they are terribly understaffed (which sucks for a whole other list of reasons!), but to say that they never run both sides is a complete falsehood! ;-) Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Nov 05 06:17:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 14:17:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 94266 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 14:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 14:17:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 14:17:43 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06612 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:17:43 -0600 Message-Id: <200111051417.IAA06612@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:17:43 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <20011105.033557.-481583.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Nov 05, 2001 03:30:36 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > One other thing I forgot to mention in my review was the heaters in the > station. Supposedly, Deja Vu can't run in weather under 50 because the > grease is too think (which makes me thing "use some different grease!!!") > but there must be some other contributing factor. So the park invested > in some heat lamps (they look like those long flourescent light bulbs, > but they're red hot) and they line both sides of the track all the way > through the station. That way, when the train is parked there's a good > heat source blowing right on it. That's something I haven't seen before > and I thought it was a bit humorous. Even more humorous, I have heard from a guy who worked at the park (and severl people who visited and saw this), when they shut the ride down because of the cold apparently they enclose the whole station in something that resembles a zip-lock bag! Seems to me they couls have made the towers 1 or 2 feet taller and the cold grease wouldn't have been a problem! But then again I think rain is wet, so who am I to judge! I have yet to ride this thing, or even see it run. I just had the worst, most crappy summer ever (which will surely be followed by an even crappier winter), but I was busy all october and didn't get a chance to go to the park. Not too upset, though ... Deja Vu will be like a new ride for me next year. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 06:50:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 14:50:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 66060 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 14:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 14:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.38) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 14:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20011105145016.35772.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.93.133.123] by web10902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:50:16 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:50:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: CP's expanded coverage To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1004951732.232.29924.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck n __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 06:59:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 14:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 83400 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.43) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 14:59:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20011105145919.27399.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.93.133.123] by web10907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:59:19 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:59:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1004951732.232.29924.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Okay, for the third time, I'm gonna type out this whole damn message! CP's coverage goes a lot further than the 150 miles that was stated earlier. On MF's opening day last year, the local news in Chicago did a story on it's debut and had one of there own reporters there to ride it. On Labor Day, when the lift cable broke, it again made the news in Chicago. My sister called to tell me she saw it on the news. I think Sandusky is a bigger vacation destination than a lot of you might give it credit for. Remember that the Put-In-Bay islands are right there as well. When I was in the 7th grade my family took a mini vacation to CP for 2 days, from chicago, and the next year our neighbors did! I'm guessing that many families who live within a one day driving range of CP (chicago, Pittsburgh, cincinati, etc) will go there at least once. "Gee, I'm tired of taking the kids to (SFGram, kennywood, PKI, etc) every year. Lets go to that place we saw on the discovery channel with all those huge coasters!!!" AFLAC!!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 07:29:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 15:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 23869 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 15:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 15:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.41) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 15:29:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20011105152936.24481.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.93.133.123] by web10905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 07:29:36 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:29:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: 5 parks in 3 days To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Well, after 3 weeks away from the list I have to write just a small follow up to Nates Awesome trip report. Being that this was my first official "coaster event" I feel I gotta say just a few things. > We certainly were a varied group of > individuals - , Brian > the carefree partier(and womanizer ;-), Whatever gave you that impression?!? Was it that 50 year old lady dressed up as farmer Bob that kept hitting on me? "say... your cute!" I guess part of the blame was on me for replying to her and saying she looked pretty good herself in that costume. eeech! > > After a 10-15 minute wait (which seemed much, much > longer because of the > women who kept groping at Brian - damn the queue > lines!) -see above > TOBOGGAN - 1970 Chance Toboggan. +.5 (there's a > decimal point in frontof that!) > I've ridden one other Chance Toboggan, and I was not > impressed, mostly > because I didn't fit in the car. It's not at all > something I would wait in line for or > would ride more than once, but a toboggan here and > there never hurt anybody. Agreed... As I mentioned to you guys on the trip, I was looking forward to this ride. I remember riding it with my dad when I was just a little kid. There were two parks we used to go to in the Chicago area, Kiddie Kingdom and Santa's Villiage. (I don't even know if these places exist any more!) One of these, I can't remember, had this ride and I used to love it, simply because of the vertical lift. (take that Millenium Force!!) I was always curious about this ride, as I remembered only the fact that I had once been on a ride with aa vertical lift. So int was cool to get to see and ride it once more. After riding it as an adult I must thank my Dad for getting in that tiny car with me, it couldn't have been pleasurable for him, and it wasnt for me either!! > ...and thanks to all five of you (Josh, Jeremy, > Brian, George, and Corey) > for a great time. See ya' next year! Yes, Thanks guys!! I had an awesome time, and hope to be able to do it again soon! AFLAC!!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Nov 05 10:36:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 18:36:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 89675 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 18:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 18:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp002pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.181) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 18:36:42 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp002pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA5Iaen22145 Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:36:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE6DD85.4E703666@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:42:13 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) References: <20011105145919.27399.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash brian farral wrote: > I think Sandusky is a bigger vacation destination than > a lot of you might give it credit for. Remember that > the Put-In-Bay islands are right there as well. When > I was in the 7th grade my family took a mini vacation > to CP for 2 days, from chicago, and the next year our > neighbors did! I'm guessing that many families who > live within a one day driving range of CP (chicago, > Pittsburgh, cincinati, etc) will go there at least > once. Maybe it's just me, but I consider a park's coverage area to be 6-8 hours of driving away from the park, not the previously mentioned 150 miles. I know for a long time Six Flags used to promote having a park within a day's drive of most of the population of the country. I don't know if they still do that, but what's a "day's drive"? To me it's a place that you would stay at least one night because of the driving, but that all the driving- at least one way- can be done within a day. And I think that's how the parks advertise to. I know when I lived in Sacramento, we would see ads for Disneyland, Sea World, and sometimes Knott's and Magic Mountain, which were all a day's drive away for us, as opposed to 150 miles. Using that formula, CP's coverage area would include all of Ohio, Penn, and many of the surrounding states, while SFMM's coverage would cover all of CA, NV, Arizona, NM and maybe a little more. But notice those areas don't overlap in the least? And up until I became an enthusiast and starting reading on the net about parks and coasters, I had never heard of Cedar Point. When I was in Florida a year ago, many of the people I talked to there had never heard of Magic Mountain, and the like. But I'll stop there before I start off on this overblown argument again. :-) keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Nov 05 12:33:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 20:33:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 53572 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 20:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 20:33:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 20:33:44 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.4e.135cb28 (16783) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:33:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4e.135cb28.291851a3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:33:39 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2001 1:38:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: > But notice those areas don't overlap in the least? And up until I became an > enthusiast and starting reading on the net about > parks and coasters, I had never heard of Cedar Point. When I was in > Florida a year ago, many of the people I talked to there had > never heard of Magic Mountain, and the like But notice how you're only stating your side of the argument? I see what Chris is saying. They aren't in competition for BUSINESS, they're in competition for records. Don't tell me that they aren't. Without the competition, there would be NO RECORD. It all looks good on paper. I know, as an enthusiast, there are some parks I haven't heard too much about, so "most people who aren't enthusiasts haven't heard about the places" isn't a fair basis for your opinion. Honestly, i think this whole debate is stupid, but hey....that's just me. I'm just happy to live near CP. -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@effingham.net Mon Nov 05 13:10:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 21:10:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 39655 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 21:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 21:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 21:10:53 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.70]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:10:56 -0600 Message-ID: <002c01c1663f$260948c0$46b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011105145919.27399.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> <3BE6DD85.4E703666@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:16:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Burnash" > But notice those areas don't overlap in the least? And up until I became an enthusiast and starting reading on the net about > parks and coasters, I had never heard of Cedar Point. When I was in Florida a year ago, many of the people I talked to there had > never heard of Magic Mountain, and the like. > > But I'll stop there before I start off on this overblown argument again. :-) George, Josh, Adam, et al.......... Just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth...Personally, I have really been enjoying the recent bantering over Cedar Point vs. Magic Mountain. I have enjoyed "sitting on the sidelines" reading all the posts on this subject......IMO, at no point has this argument turned ugly in any way.....just some friendly discussions between a few people who all obviously love their home parks almost as much as they love coasters! --Jon From jzerkel@effingham.net Mon Nov 05 13:14:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 21:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25609 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.70]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:14:12 -0600 Message-ID: <003701c1663f$9abf84e0$46b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: Traver's Crystal Beach Cylcone Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:19:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody! I think it was Adam who recently submitted a post that said he was working on a model of the Crystal Beach Cyclone. That got me to thinking.........has anybody here ever attempted to build a replica of that coaster on Roller Coaster Tycoon? I would really be curious to know what the intensity and nausea ratings would be for a ride like that! --Jon (who is still the WORST RCT player in the history of the universe. I can't even complete scenario #3!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Nov 05 13:15:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 21:15:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 69490 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.188) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp009pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA5LFlk13925 Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:15:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE702C3.23C18334@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:21:07 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) References: <4e.135cb28.291851a3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash MxPx2@aol.com wrote: > > > But notice how you're only stating your side of the argument? And this is a surprise? :-) > I see what > Chris is saying. They aren't in competition for BUSINESS, they're in > competition for records. Don't tell me that they aren't. Without the > competition, there would be NO RECORD. The ongoing arguement that I hear over and over is that CP and SFMM are in competition with each other for BUSINESS, and that the record competition is a by product of that. Or I will hear that they want to hold the most records so that they can show the other park that they are better. Where honestly, while the parks are aware of each other, I'm firmly convinced that they don't care what the other park does. If a park is after records, it is not to better the other park, it's simply to get people to come through their own gate. They don't care who has the record, or who they have to beat to get it. If they decide to set a record to use as incentive to get people in the park, then the park that currently has the record they are going to beat is irrelevant. As for any parks that are out of their region (which I covered in the last post), I really don't think they care much, if any at all. Chris mentioned that "they must care about the debate since they commented on Superman being a coaster in the paper". Do they? Or were they simply responding to a reporter's question, knowing that it was going to be in the paper, and therefore figured they better say something to look good? And if they reporter hadn't specifically asked, would they have ever said anything? I seriously doubt it. > > It all looks good on paper. I know, as an enthusiast, there are some parks I > haven't heard too much about, so "most people who aren't enthusiasts haven't > heard about the places" isn't a fair basis for your opinion. > Honestly, i think this whole debate is stupid, but hey....that's just me. Honestly, I totally agree. It is stupid. It's pretty idiotic. But if you deal with the enthusiast community at all, you run into it all the time. And it doesn't seem to exist anywhere but in the enthusiast community, which is my whole point. I think that the whole argument, in truth, doesn't even exist outside of us nut cases, as we're the only ones who care. We make a big issue out of something that doesn't really exist, and then insist that because we "know what we're talking about" we must be right. It's another case where I think we're way overestimating ourselves. And this is my last comments on the deal. I promise. :-) keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From stephanie@stealyourface.com Mon Nov 05 13:39:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie@stealyourface.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 21:39:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 92228 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 21:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 21:39:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail15a.boca15-verio.com) (208.55.91.57) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 21:39:55 -0000 Received: from www.stealyourface.com (131.103.239.77) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 053130785 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:39:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3BE715D6.756DE9@stealyourface.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:42:30 -0600 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Stephanie Beck X-Yahoo-Profile: s_b_420 Hey y'all. I have been just lurking for awhile. Sorry about that, I just haven't been to any parks lately (my job changed, and I am not traveling as much now - actually, I have my first trip since June next week - to Utah, of all places). Anyway, I have a question. My boyfriend and I drove to Atlanta last week, and saw a bunch of billboards for Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA. I have never been there, and I was wondering if any of you have been there, and if it is any good. So...? Thanks, Stephanie From DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM Mon Nov 05 13:42:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 21:42:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 7191 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 21:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 21:42:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 21:42:57 -0000 Received: from DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.f4.11d470dd (18253) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:42:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:42:52 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Friendly Goliath To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Profile: castmembermagic How would Goliath rate next to the B&M and Intamin hypers? Does anyone here particularly enjoy Morgan hypers? Do SF parks currently have contracts with Morgan? Other than SD2K, what has Morgan done lately? BTW, Nate, of course all of these most-coasters/xtreme park promotions are to get the maximum patronage ... but I thought that the whole idea behind SFMM becoming the Xtreme Park was that it has (or will have- hopefully soon! Hurry up X!) the most coasters on earth. Is it just because they have these new "xtreme" rides opening that make it that? BTW, it's odd that they would make Deja Vu in such a popular park. How long is the line? It must be crazy! Anyone here been on it? Is the front seat worth the wait? Maybe if we had junch on the line... www.DANIELDEEPAK.com (That's not me, but it's someone I KNOW; he loves science- and rugs. Just say HELLO!) From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Mon Nov 05 14:00:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 22:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 23824 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 22:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 22:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.78) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 22:00:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:00:03 -0800 Received: from 152.163.207.186 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:00:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.186] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:00:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2001 22:00:03.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[38EFC9E0:01C16645] From: "Jeremy Daniels" >From: George Burnash >Using that formula, CP's coverage area would include all of Ohio, Penn, and >many of the surrounding states, while SFMM's coverage >would cover all of CA, NV, Arizona, NM and maybe a little more. > Yeah, even I get commercials sometimes for Cedar Point, more then i see for PKI. and if i'm lucky i'll get a comercial for SFWOA! but that was only when they made the recent change and bought out Sea World. I even caught a few HALLOWEEKEND elvira commecials... and yes we DO have cable television here! and yes we DO pay for it and don't steal it! arrrrrrrrrg the stereotypes.... keep on dreaming about riding over the winter JeremY D. ~loves coaster bob songs~ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From regnal@adelphia.net Mon Nov 05 14:11:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 22:11:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 53751 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 22:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 22:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 22:11:26 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMCLMZ00.HYG for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:11:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c16646$2e4c9800$52853318@mshome.net> To: References: <3BE715D6.756DE9@stealyourface.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:06:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram Stephanie: My husband and I were there last year right before Cheetah was finished. It was a very nice park; however, I felt most of the rides qualified as "kiddie" rides. There were no big coasters at the time. With Cheetah opening, it is probably worth a trip if you're in the neighborhood but I wouldn't expect much in the way of "thrill" rides. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Beck" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA > Hey y'all. I have been just lurking for awhile. Sorry about > that, I just haven't been to any parks lately (my job > changed, and I am not traveling as much now - actually, I > have my first trip since June next week - to Utah, of all > places). Anyway, I have a question. My boyfriend and I drove > to Atlanta last week, and saw a bunch of billboards for Wild > Adventures in Valdosta, GA. I have never been there, and I > was wondering if any of you have been there, and if it is > any good. So...? > > Thanks, > Stephanie > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From regnal@adelphia.net Mon Nov 05 14:12:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 22:12:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 18770 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 22:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 22:12:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.38) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 22:12:55 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMCLPI00.47B for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:12:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c16646$63c233a0$52853318@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Friendly Goliath Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:08:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram To me the most notable contribution of Morgan lately is the reincarnation of the Steel Phantom into Phantom's Revenge. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Friendly Goliath > > How would Goliath rate next to the B&M and Intamin hypers? Does anyone > here particularly enjoy Morgan hypers? Do SF parks currently have contracts > with Morgan? Other than SD2K, what has Morgan done lately? > > BTW, Nate, of course all of these most-coasters/xtreme park promotions > are to get the maximum patronage ... but I thought that the whole idea behind > SFMM becoming the Xtreme Park was that it has (or will have- hopefully soon! > Hurry up X!) the most coasters on earth. Is it just because they have these > new "xtreme" rides opening that make it that? BTW, it's odd that they would > make Deja Vu in such a popular park. How long is the line? It must be > crazy! Anyone here been on it? Is the front seat worth the wait? Maybe if > we had junch on the line... > > www.DANIELDEEPAK.com (That's not me, but it's someone I KNOW; he loves > science- and rugs. Just say HELLO!) > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Nov 05 14:42:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 22:42:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 97262 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 22:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 22:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 22:42:33 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.171.373330b (15708) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID55-1105174224; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:42:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:42:24 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <171.373330b.29186fd1@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk You're even overlooking MY Point, George.. :) The parks MUSt care about one another enough to fight for the records. You must misunderstand, we're not talking about competing for business AT ALL. We're talking about making it into the Guinness Book. I guess that COULD lead to some business, from people that see it and want to get there and try it out (thinking " This place looks like a mecca, we have to go there some day") But, in all actuality, CP DOES watch SFMM and SFMM DOES watch CP. Although the record may not count toward the "Xtreme Park" thing (Minus the X for now :) ) It Certainly does count in the "Bragging Rights" category among the 2 parks. Do you honestly think SFMM sat down and said "Hey, I bet if we bring our coaster count up to 15, we'll have the most coasters" without KNOWING about CP's record. Which brings me to my point, either park is involved with the other's decisions in one way or another. No, I don't mean in ride selection. They're far enough apart that it wouldn't matter if they had the exact same collection of rides. What matters to them is "he who has the most toys" as I stated...it all looks good on paper. and on the egos of the park execs. -Josh From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Nov 05 15:48:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 5 Nov 2001 23:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 78430 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 23:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Nov 2001 23:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop1pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.20) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 23:48:55 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id RAA40535126 Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:47:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE726B2.F9C24A1A@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:54:26 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) References: <171.373330b.29186fd1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash MxPx2@aol.com wrote: > You're even overlooking MY Point, George.. :) No, I'm not overlooking your point Josh. I'm saying that while WE might think that way, it's not in truth what the parks actually do. In other words, I'm disagreeing with your point. > > The parks MUSt care about one another enough to fight for the records. You must misunderstand, we're not talking about competing for business AT ALL. We're talking about making it into the Guinness Book. I guess that COULD lead to some business, from people that see it and want to get there and try it out (thinking " This place looks like a mecca, we have to go there some day") But I disagree that they are fighting for the records. I don't think they are. They are fighting to get people in the gates in the face of competition, and that is their primary concern. Guinness Book, records, etc are all bonuses that can help them with the ultimate goal of bringing people through the gates, but none of those are a goal in themselves. When they plan coasters and attractions, they try to figure out what will bring people into the park. Will a new record breaker bring people in, or is there something else that will be just as effective. And that's how they operate. Not, "what do we need to do to beat SFMM/CP this year" as so many seem to think. Enthusiasts think that there is a competition between SFMM and CP to beat each other. I say there is not. SFMM is in competition to beat KBF and DL/DCA and that's where their focus is. CP is in competition to beat SFWoA, and that's where their focus is. It's enthusiasts that think there is a competition between the two, adn I think they are the ones that create it, and that it doesn't in fact actually exist. > But, in all actuality, CP DOES watch SFMM and SFMM DOES watch CP. Although the record may not count toward the "Xtreme Park" thing (Minus the X for now :) ) It Certainly does count in the "Bragging Rights" category among the 2 parks. But bragging to whom? And how does it bring people into their parks? That's what their concern is. It may give them a bit of free exposure on a little watched cable channel, and bragging rights among a very small community that is already more than aware of each of the two parks. But in the other 90-95% of the world, what would that accomplish? Bragging rights does not equal $$ or profits. Now they may use some of those bragging rights in their areas for advertising. But if the parks were truly competing with each other, then you would see them trying to get people who might go to SFMM to go to CP, or vice versa. If they aren't doing that, then really bragging rights mean nothing and there really isn't any competition. It's all about $$ guys, and if the $$ aren't there, then neither is the competition. > > > Do you honestly think SFMM sat down and said "Hey, I bet if we bring our coaster count up to 15, we'll have the most coasters" without KNOWING about CP's record. > Which brings me to my point, either park is involved with the other's decisions in one way or another. No, I don't mean in ride selection. They're far enough apart that it wouldn't matter if they had the exact same collection of rides. What matters to them is "he who has the most toys" as I stated...it all looks good on paper. and on the egos of the park execs. I am absolutely positive that when they sat down they didn't give a rat's tail about CP's record. Knowing about it, and caring about it, are two entirely different things, and I'm sure that CP's record was an afterthought at best. Instead when they sat down they said, "We have DCA opening up in February that is threatening to take away a good number of our customers and people who visit our park and give us money. What are we going to do to combat a whole entirely new park and keep our patronage up? Let's see, we need to keep the families coming and we only have one kiddy coaster, so lets add another one. And for the thrill seekers that make up our base, DCA is adding 2 coasters, why don't we do the same. And we'll make both of ours notable. Oh, you mean after we do all that we'll have the most coasters to, taking the record from another park in Ohio? That's nice to, and maybe we can say something about that. But let's keep focus on the ones outside our gates taking our customers first." keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 16:08:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:08:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 4352 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20407.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.126) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:08:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20011106000816.85733.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.169.109.69] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:08:16 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:08:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: REVIEW: Six Flags Great America (Deja Vu) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >One thing our Deja Vu has that SFoG's doesn't (or >didn't) is the catwalk/platform under the cobra >roll. It's really kind of an ugly contraption, but I >suppose it's better than getting stuck up there. You >gotta' love how this thing has evacuation platforms >under almost all of the course! This platform wasn't >there during your visit, was it? Yup, I think it was added shortly after yours. >Deja Vu is the only coaster where I've gotten nervous >on the lift hill (and yes, I've ridden Millennium >Force). For me it is not the only one, but I know what you mean. By the time you are locked up top, hanging against the restraint and (if you are lucky and on the outside) looking all around (and down!) it is a frightening experience. >If the ride's 3 hour wait doesn't speak for itself, >I'd say the number of people leaving the ride and >getting right back in line did - people LOVE >this coaster (and I do too!). When it first opened there was a long line for Viper @ SFGAdv, too :) >It's not *the* most intense roller coaster >out there, but it's certainly on the higher end. And >with the vertical lifts and drops, there's a nice >combination of airtime, dizzying intensity, and pure >speed (blasting through the station). I can't >compare it to a Schwarzkopf shuttle lift because, >unfortunately, I've never been on one (which isn't >saying that I don't want to!). While Deja Vu isn't >something I'd wait in line over and over again for, >I'd grab a ride each visit. And on the rare days >where SFGAm isn't packed, I'd love to ride this thing >over and over again. Of course, the fact that all >three of my rides were at night could have something >to do with it! I was kind of the same way. I found it fun, but I really have no great desire to wait a long time for it. I will probably do it once whenever I visit, but it did not have that spark some rides have that make me want to get back in line all afternoon. But, as I said in my TR (and you said too), the GP loves it and that is all that should matter. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Mon Nov 05 16:09:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:09:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 10205 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.69) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:09:54 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fA609rO13839 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:09:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200111060009.fA609rO13839@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:09:53 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Yahoo-Profile: latent5150 > Hey y'all. I have been just lurking for awhile. Sorry about > that, I just haven't been to any parks lately (my job > changed, and I am not traveling as much now - actually, I > have my first trip since June next week - to Utah, of all > places). Anyway, I have a question. My boyfriend and I drove > to Atlanta last week, and saw a bunch of billboards for Wild > Adventures in Valdosta, GA. I have never been there, and I > was wondering if any of you have been there, and if it is > any good. So...? > > Thanks, > Stephanie Steph, the FLCC had an event there back in Sept I think. I couldn't make it. I heard the Cheetah is real cool. The park usually has low crowds I've been told. But worth while if you're in the area I guess. Brian From Mrkwilson@aol.com Mon Nov 05 16:20:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 15700 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:20:28 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.bb.1666fb0b (4233) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:20:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:20:19 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Friendly Goliath To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, it's odd that they would > make D=E9j=E0 vu in such a popular park. How long is the line? It must = be > crazy! Anyone here been on it? Is the front seat worth the wait? Maybe if > we had junch on the line... Two hours on a Saturday, somewhat standard for a recently installed ride. = To=20 keep the line moving, you don't get to choose your seat, but I imagine it=20 would be very worth it.=20=20 Mark Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 16:22:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:22:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 71053 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20401.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.120) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:22:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20011106002211.7943.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.165.151.164] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:22:11 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >George, Josh, Adam, et al.......... >Just thought I'd throw in my two cents >worth...Personally, I have really been enjoying the >recent bantering over Cedar Point vs. Don't bring me in on this, I don't think I have said word one. Personally, SFMM and CP can both kiss my @*$, I will stay at Canobie or Bushkill. :) Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 16:30:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:30:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 41629 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:30:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20011106003005.4932.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.165.151.164] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:30:05 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:30:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Traver's Crystal Beach Cylcone To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >I think it was Adam who recently submitted a post >that said he was working on a model of the Crystal >Beach Cyclone. That got me to thinking.........has >anybody here ever attempted to build a replica of >that coaster on Roller Coaster Tycoon? I would >really be curious to know what the intensity and >nausea ratings would be for a ride like that! Again, it was not me...if you are talking about computer models I know Badnitrus had one (anyone know the address)? If you are talking about a real one, the closest I have seen way Jay's. Besides, if I were making a model from that period it would be a Church, not a POS Traver. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From Mrkwilson@aol.com Mon Nov 05 16:42:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 90705 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:42:34 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.145.41bbfb3 (4233) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:42:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <145.41bbfb3.29188bf1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:42:25 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you honestly think SFMM sat down and said "Hey, I bet if we bring our coaster count up to 15, we'll have the most coasters" without KNOWING about CP's record. Which brings me to my point, either park is involved with the other's decisions in one way or another. No, I don't mean in ride selection. They're far enough apart that it wouldn't matter if they had the exact same collection of rides. What matters to them is "he who has the most toys" as I stated...it all looks good on paper. and on the egos of the park execs. I've gotta agree with you there. Theoretically, half the coasters at SFMM could be shut down permanently and still count in the eyes of Guinness. I suppose it's exaggerating, but you all know where I'm coming from. No matter which of the parks hold the record, there will always be people getting to CP at 4 AM to be the first to ride MF, just as there will always be huge crowds at SFMM (sorry, no cool example there). The only difference can be seen through us enthusiasts and the Discovery/Travel Channel. I'm sure I made an invalid point in there somewhere, and I'm already expecting my opinions (and sanity) questioned so.. rock on. Mark Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 16:56:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 00:56:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 26776 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 00:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 00:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.125) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 00:56:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20011106005614.17125.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.165.151.164] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:56:14 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:56:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I think this is a partial list of rides at Wild Adventures: Cheetah- CCI out and back Boomerang- Vekoma boomerang Hangman- Vekoma SLC Ant Farm Express- Vekoma Roller Skater Bug Out- Maurer Sohne wild mouse Sellner Tilt-a-Whirl Thrilltime Skycoaster Chance Aviator Pharoh's Fury- Chance Torando- Wisdom Yo Yo- Chance S&S Double Shot Chance Chaos Sidewinder-Chance Wipeout Moser Bumper Cars Swingin Safari- Chance Flying Bobs Chance Inverter (ouch, these rides suck!) Tasmanian River Rapids- a Hafema Raft ride (one of three made) that has a very cool spiral whirlpool effect In addition, they have several other water rides and kiddie rides. Overall I have heard good things about the park. No, it is not a thrill park, but it is in the unique position of being a newer family park. Cheetah has gotten great reviews and looks to be a lot of fun, the boomerang and SLC are standard, and you get to experience one of the few places that has an Aviator (not that it is a good ride, but there are not a lot of them out there :). As you can see there is a lot of Chance in this park. It is a fun place, there are few crowds, especially if you visit during the winter when the park is open weekends. I say visit, it will only cost you a little time and money. Plus, you get that sweet CCI airtime. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From regnal@adelphia.net Mon Nov 05 17:03:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 01:03:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 39342 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 01:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 01:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 01:03:44 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMCTM700.6WZ for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:03:43 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c1665e$3a9b4da0$52853318@mshome.net> To: References: <20011106005614.17125.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:58:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram You know, you're right, ...when I see your list I realize I must have been in a too many "daze" of driving mode when I was there. I still don't remember a Boomerang (perhaps it wasn't operating) but the Vekoma SLC was actually one of the more comfortable ones I have every been on. I considered everything else you mentioned kiddie rides though....but I didn't mean my message to discourage Stephanie from going. I would fly there tomorrow to ride a CCI. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Wild Adventures in Valdosta, GA > I think this is a partial list of rides at Wild > Adventures: > > Cheetah- CCI out and back > Boomerang- Vekoma boomerang > Hangman- Vekoma SLC > Ant Farm Express- Vekoma Roller Skater > Bug Out- Maurer Sohne wild mouse > > Sellner Tilt-a-Whirl > Thrilltime Skycoaster > Chance Aviator > Pharoh's Fury- Chance > Torando- Wisdom > Yo Yo- Chance > S&S Double Shot > Chance Chaos > Sidewinder-Chance Wipeout > Moser Bumper Cars > Swingin Safari- Chance Flying Bobs > Chance Inverter (ouch, these rides suck!) > Tasmanian River Rapids- a Hafema Raft ride (one of > three made) that has a very cool spiral whirlpool > effect > > In addition, they have several other water rides and > kiddie rides. > > Overall I have heard good things about the park. No, > it is not a thrill park, but it is in the unique > position of being a newer family park. Cheetah has > gotten great reviews and looks to be a lot of fun, the > boomerang and SLC are standard, and you get to > experience one of the few places that has an Aviator > (not that it is a good ride, but there are not a lot > of them out there :). As you can see there is a lot > of Chance in this park. It is a fun place, there are > few crowds, especially if you visit during the winter > when the park is open weekends. I say visit, it will > only cost you a little time and money. Plus, you get > that sweet CCI airtime. > > Adam > > ===== > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > SM-NL > "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan > *************** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Nov 05 17:14:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 01:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 4074 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 01:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 01:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 01:14:58 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWgcrG8WjPsM044vf1MnT5eQcLhoX0eIWBQ=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKJALD47; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:14:33 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:12:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Traver's Crystal Beach Cylcone Message-ID: <20011105.171222.-1313587.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8,20-38 From: Xcoaster@juno.com I actually tried using some pix from Badnitrus (I'll get the new address later). The stats were as follows: Excitement: 8.52 (a little low in opinion for a wood twister), Intensity: 9.14 (not like the real one), Nausea: 5.23, Max Speed: 55 MPH, 82 ft max drop. It went a little slow in the end, but was very compact. Also, some spots I had to do some guessing cause I didn't know for sure what it was like. And it isn't possible to do a perfect recreation as some of the turns are really banked, but I tried and I'm pretty proud of it. If anyone wants to see it I can send the park to them. The only thing is, the park is less than half finished so don't go posting it on the web or anything, I'm kinda hoping I might win the Danimation spotlight. I kinda doubt I will though; it's my least favorite park I'm working on right now, but I seriously think I have chance with my others, I'll mention it when I enter them so you guys can vote for me ;-) The park also requires the Drexler patch and if you need that I can send it along too. Also, be sure to tell me what you think if you get a look at it. Zerkel" writes: > Hi everybody! > > I think it was Adam who recently submitted a post that said he > was working on a model of the Crystal Beach Cyclone. That got me to > thinking.........has anybody here ever attempted to build a replica > of that coaster on Roller Coaster Tycoon? I would really be curious > to know what the intensity and nausea ratings would be for a ride > like that! > > --Jon > (who is still the WORST RCT player in the history of the universe. > I can't even complete scenario #3!) That's too bad. :-( Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From jzerkel@effingham.net Mon Nov 05 18:48:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 02:48:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 28064 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 02:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 02:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 02:48:19 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.19]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:48:15 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c1666e$45d04f80$13b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011105.171222.-1313587.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Traver's Crystal Beach Cylcone Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 20:53:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: > I actually tried using some pix from Badnitrus (I'll get the new address > later). The stats were as follows: > > Excitement: 8.52 (a little low in opinion for a wood twister), > Intensity: 9.14 (not like the real one), > Nausea: 5.23, > Max Speed: 55 MPH, > 82 ft max drop. > > It went a little slow in the end, but was very compact. Not surprising that it was a compact coaster.....according to my book, the original Crystal Beach Cylcone had a ride time of only approx. 40 seconds. After seeing the pictures of the original, though.......I would have thought that the nausea factor would have been much higher that 5.23. The CB Cyclone was, after all,.....the only known coaster to have a nurse on duty at the loading platform. --Jon From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Nov 05 19:22:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 03:22:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4513 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 03:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 03:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 03:22:10 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.83.1284fa94 (4331) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:22:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <83.1284fa94.2918b15b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:22:03 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2001 6:49:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: > I'm saying that while WE might think that way, it's not in truth what the > parks actually do So, what you're saying is that ONLY Enthusiasts know which parks have a bunch of coasters? I don't think so. I've said it before and i've said it again. SFMM may not care about BUSINESS from CP, but they sure as heck know that CP has 14 coasters, and they WANT that record. If not for CP having that many coasters, SFMM wouldn't have HAD to go and buy 2 and a half coasters to try and up their count all that much, because adding just 1 or 2 would have given them a "record". Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Mon Nov 05 19:29:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 03:29:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 36332 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 03:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 03:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 03:29:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:29:12 -0800 Received: from 64.12.101.159 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 03:29:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.101.159] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 03:29:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2001 03:29:12.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[34200370:01C16673] From: "Jeremy Daniels" >From: Mrkwilson@aol.com >I've gotta agree with you there. Theoretically, half the coasters at SFMM >could be shut down permanently and still count in the eyes of Guinness. >> In all actuality weren't half of their coasters shut down right after they built them? oh that was only 1/4th of them, not half... I suppose it's exaggerating, but you all know where I'm coming from. No matter >which of the parks hold the record, there will always be people getting to >CP >at 4 AM to be the first to ride MF, just as there will always be huge >crowds >at SFMM (sorry, no cool example there). That's just hilaroius, no cool example eh? I feel that there is a slight bit of competition between the two parks, but if GEORGE says it's NOT then it must NOT be a competition, so get over it guys, geeez JOSH! haha jeremy ~who believes that there is a competition, but will wait until California floats away and becomes an Island before I'll go....~ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Nov 05 19:37:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 03:37:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 25819 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 03:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 03:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 03:37:44 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.154.393a744 (4331) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:37:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <154.393a744.2918b4fc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:37:32 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Your mileage may vary, but I'd like to see you try to present those views to Del Holland and Dick Kinzel. In fact, I remember this event that transpired over the summer when I was talking to Mr. Kinzel at the park. (this was 2 weeks before you came, George) and I said to him "I'll be bringing a friend from California here in 2 weeks" and you know what he said to me? "Good, Let's CONVERT HIM" then he gave me a high-five and said "Take him over there (pointed to MF) and show him what WE got" and smiled (meaning....compare Goliath to MF) Think what you wanna think, but most of us, enthusiast or not, think there's SOME kind of competition. -Josh From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Nov 05 20:47:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 04:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 48035 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 04:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 04:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 04:47:59 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/IS+agueYvvdafZgLc0YvKbs25PiJW0dU"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKJNSBFZ; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:47:30 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:46:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) Message-ID: <20011105.224659.-320603.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,26-28 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I'm saying that while WE might think that way, it's not in truth > what the > > parks actually do > If not for CP having that many coasters, SFMM wouldn't > have HAD > to go and buy 2 and a half coasters to try and up their count all > that much, > because adding just 1 or 2 would have given them a "record". Ah, but now you're assuming that SFMM purchased three new coasters this year in order to claim the record. I just don't believe that was the case, though. As George pointed out, Goliath Jr. was a quick throw-in kiddie coaster because they only had one. X was their big investment, but I think the park really had some fears of the ride not opening on time - SFMM can't draw crowds from DCA if none of their new rides are open. And so there came Deja Vu, which isn't a "draw in the huge crowds"-type coaster, but it was a relatively cheap investment so the park could claim to have a brand new ride. Really, nobody has any idea if SFMM's ultimate goal is to have the most coasters on the planet. I think it can be assumed that Cedar Point was very proud of having that record and liked using that for their ad campaigns. But the big point everyone is overlooking is that if the record was *that* important to Cedar Point, you'd see more than one new coaster for 2002. And though nothing is confirmed, it doesn't seem like CP is planning on more than one. And that is, in my opinion, the best argument for proof that the record isn't that important. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Nov 05 20:51:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 04:51:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25141 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 04:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 04:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 04:51:11 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/77LNqfbbgRANxLY6wqQ0qls7vbIisMLi"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKJNXYDN; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:50:35 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:50:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) Message-ID: <20011105.225004.-320603.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,13-18,24-26 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > In fact, I remember this event that transpired over the summer when > I was > talking to Mr. Kinzel at the park. (this was 2 weeks before you > came, George) > and I said to him "I'll be bringing a friend from California here in > 2 weeks" > and you know what he said to me? > "Good, Let's CONVERT HIM" then he gave me a high-five and said "Take > him over > there (pointed to MF) and show him what WE got" and smiled > (meaning....compare Goliath to MF) Well, that's just Mr. Kinzel enjoying adding more fuel to the fire, not proof of anything. > Think what you wanna think, but most of us, enthusiast or not, think > there's > SOME kind of competition. Until I can see some kind of theory on why it's worthwhile for a park to spend $15 million for a brand new coaster in order to have the "most coasters" title when any old ad campaign would do the same trick, I just won't believe the parks are actually competing. Now, those who work in the park may feel that SFMM are their rivals, but when it actually comes down to making purchases, it makes NO sense. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From serpmage@juno.com Mon Nov 05 20:55:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 04:55:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 30268 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hABuBDAM+Gpz9riD0Q8olfhmUG2uPq8zMPQ=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GKJN8EWE; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:55:12 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:30:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Message-ID: <20011105.235443.-450137.1.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,28-33 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > yeah, but you are looking at it from an enthusiast's perspective all > the way through here Chris. And we are a very small, tiny > percentage of the park population. Enthusiasts do not bring in > major funds to the parks- locals do. So the parks focus has to be > on the local competition because that is where the $$ are. > It's interesting that you should say that. If locals were where Cedar Point drew the majority of their money from, why would they be building two huge new hotels right there? If their customer base is locals, they wouldn't need a place to stay. I think a lot of people here are underestimating how much major parks rely on outside draw. Yes, locals play a large role, but not quite as big as I think you are thinking. I'm sure that a park would much rather have 5 million people come to the park once, each paying full price for a ticket than 1 million people come to the park 5 times, all of whom have paid for the equivalent of only two tickets for their annual pass. For an extreme example of this, look at Orlando. Depending on the season, the popultaion of the city can actualy more than double, and I'm not exaggerating either. Because domestic air travel is currently down by about 1/3rd, theme park attendance in Orlando is down by more than 1/2 the normal for this time of year. You can't tell me that the two aren't related, the people who aren't flying are the ones who had planned to take vacations, not business trips. And if you're just about anywhere in Florida, you're going to drive to the park anyway. I'm sure some of the other parks that don't draw as heavily internationally aren't quite as effected as the Orlando parks, but I can guarentee that they've taken a sizeable hit. I think that a lot of you are underestimating the draw from other places of the country that the big parks rely on. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From serpmage@juno.com Mon Nov 05 21:06:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 05:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 83855 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 05:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 05:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 05:06:57 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hABuBDAM+Gpz9k9K0grTIizw3Flgb5hTCkg=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GKJPTFQS; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:05:36 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:05:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) Message-ID: <20011106.000530.-450137.2.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,20-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > Until I can see some kind of theory on why it's worthwhile for a > park to > spend $15 million for a brand new coaster in order to have the "most > coasters" title when any old ad campaign would do the same trick, I > just > won't believe the parks are actually competing. Now, those who work > in > the park may feel that SFMM are their rivals, but when it actually > comes > down to making purchases, it makes NO sense. > SWF spent more than $25 mil on Kraken, (track, construction, buildings, some marketing may be included in that estimate) and park attendance jumped significantly with it's opening. Now granted Kraken was a big change of pace for Sea World, but with IOA having a very similar ride, SW billed their coaster as the "Biggest, Longest, Wildest ride in Orlando" often not even mentioning that it was a coaster, merely refering to it as a ride and it still made a big difference. And you can't tell me that SFMM and CP haven't paid off the Discovery Channel, seen nation wide, to add their park to their documentaries. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Nov 05 21:37:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 05:37:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 70480 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 05:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 05:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.180) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 05:37:43 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp001pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA65bLr12736 Mon, 5 Nov 2001 23:37:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE77873.4AF37DF3@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:43:15 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! References: <20011105.235443.-450137.1.serpmage@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Last post on teh subject, I promise. "Tim N." wrote: > > It's interesting that you should say that. If locals were where Cedar > Point drew the majority of their money from, why would they be building > two huge new hotels right there? If their customer base is locals, they > wouldn't need a place to stay. I think a lot of people here are > underestimating how much major parks rely on outside draw. Outside draw? I started checking out lodging listings on some of the parks websites just for fun. Here's what I found listed, along with a few assumptions, that may help make some comparisons. Cedar Point has their 7 properties listed. I know there are more nearby, so lets approximate adn say there are 20 hotels nearby. SFMM has 17 hotels listed nearby, but only 8 of those listed are really local (within 5-10 minutes). Many of those are really not close at all. SFoT- 18 listed- all within 5 minutes SFGAd- 31 listed that they will help you book!! (big tourist mecca that park is) PGA- 7 hotels listed, but I know from experience there are more there. Disneyland- 3 Major huge hotels they own and no less than 60 within walking distance!! That doesn't include anything outside of a 2 block radius from the park. In other words, 2 hotels is not a lot of accomodations in the scope of park attendance. In fact if they only have a few hotels that is actually a very strong indication that the vast majority of their attendance is in fact people that live within a reasonable driving distance. And for those that drive 3-8 hours, which is still easily within a geographical circle of reach for the park, I'm sure many of them would fill those hotels, as I do when I drive to San Diego only 3 hours away. To many of the parks around San Diego I'm considered a local and can get a So. Cal admission discount, adn I'm more than 150 miles away. Just more food for thought. but that's it. I'm done. :-) keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Nov 05 21:47:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 05:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 62860 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 05:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 05:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 05:47:49 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.127.6a3b1c6 (3966) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:47:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <127.6a3b1c6.2918d37f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:47:43 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2001 11:49:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > X was their big investment A nice, large....Expensive peice of theming. "over here, we have what appears to be a working coaster." EXCELLENT use of theming, it's so believeable ;) Maybe one day they'll try to run it. Actually, Just wanted to take this opportunity to start a new topic. I know it's been started before, but...What's everyone's HONEST opinion of X? I mean, Engineering wise, Technical, and from a Maintainence standpoint. Not just a "It's Dumb" .If you're going to bash it, please give an explaination of why. I'll start. Think of the weight of the trains. 50,000 pounds, according to an Arrow rep. Load that with people and pull, say....4 Gs, and you're gonna tear that track apart over time. Not to mention, the mechanism looks like a maintainence nightmare. More on that later. -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Nov 05 22:11:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 06:11:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 44808 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 06:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 06:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 06:11:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:11:27 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 06:11:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:11:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2001 06:11:27.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEA25DA0:01C16689] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >>SFGAd- 31 listed that they will help you book!! (big tourist mecca that >>park is) The funny thing about Great Adventure is that the closest motel/hotel is about 30 minutes away. Great Adventure is in the middle of Nowhere, NJ. That park TOTALLY depends on customers from the NYC/Philly base. They're a regional park, not a destination park. >In other words, 2 hotels is not a lot of accomodations in the scope of park >attendance. In fact if they only have a few hotels >that is actually a very strong indication that the vast majority of their >attendance is in fact people that live within a >reasonable driving distance. Let's look at Sandusky. What is Sandusky without Cedar Point? Absolutely nothing! Sandusky wouldn't have the economy it has if Cedar Point didn't exist. What reason would people have for staying in Sandusky if it wasn't for CP? What reason would they have for advertising so heavily in CP's Getaway Guide? -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Nov 05 22:15:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 06:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 43249 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 06:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 06:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.41) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 06:15:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20011106061552.46647.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.93.133.122] by web10905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:15:52 PST Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:15:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Ohio To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > I'm just happy to live near CP. > > -Josh Yeah, me too, it's just too bad that happens to be in Cleveland, Ohio and not Southern Califonia. I really hate cold weather!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! -Brian F. P.S. on a side note, did anyone catch the northern lights tonight? I'd never seen them before! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From mullin17bb@yahoo.com Tue Nov 06 12:34:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mullin17bb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 20:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 79055 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 20:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 20:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20903.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.225) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 20:34:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20011106203449.16636.qmail@web20903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [169.199.168.4] by web20903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:34:49 PST Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:34:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Hey guys To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Justin Yates X-Yahoo-Profile: mullin17bb Hey guys, some of you might remember me from Coaster Talk, but I'm a "good friend" of Mark's, and I've talked to Josh a couple of times before. I asked Mark how to subscribe to RCT a couple of months ago, but he forgot how...haha. Well I finally found out how, and I'm glad to be apart of a coaster newsgroup with all the old guys from Coaster Talk. I'm sure I'll be putting in my two cents at times, especially during my boring Visual Basic class ;). Talk to you all later __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Nov 06 13:21:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 21:21:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 32574 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 21:21:45 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.4f.13ddc828 (30963) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:21:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4f.13ddc828.2919ae5d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:21:33 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/2001 3:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mullin17bb@yahoo.com writes: > especially during my > boring Visual Basic class ;). EEEEWWW!!! Those classes are so boring. In fact, I decided NOT to further pursue programming, because all you do is sit on your butt and stare at a screen. (granted, sitting on my butt is my IDEAL job, but not programming....way too stressful and boring.) I still do Web design, though (HTML- not those crappy programs) But, i have decided to pursue my MCSE instead. I'm currently working as a PC Tech. (there's GREAT money in that, BTW) which leads me to my Next topic : What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related professions (other than chatting..:) ) so, let's hear it. -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Nov 06 13:31:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 21:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 46962 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 21:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 21:31:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 21:31:06 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17189 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:31:05 -0600 Message-Id: <200111062131.PAA17189@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:31:05 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <4f.13ddc828.2919ae5d@aol.com> from "MxPx2@aol.com" at Nov 06, 2001 04:21:33 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > EEEEWWW!!! Those classes are so boring. In fact, I decided NOT to further > pursue programming, because all you do is sit on your butt and stare at a > screen. (granted, sitting on my butt is my IDEAL job, but not > programming....way too stressful and boring.) I still do Web design, though > (HTML- not those crappy programs) But, i have decided to pursue my MCSE Granted, most programming (actually, computers in general) is boring as heck, there is some really great stuff out there if you want to find it. > What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering I worked for four years designing and programming pinball machines (that was good programming), now I work for cisco systems *yawn*. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From IOASpiderman@aol.com Tue Nov 06 13:37:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 21:37:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 24333 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 21:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 21:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 21:37:27 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.a6.1c4cc406 (3997) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:37:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:37:16 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << > especially during my > boring Visual Basic class ;). EEEEWWW!!! Those classes are so boring. In fact, I decided NOT to further pursue programming, because all you do is sit on your butt and stare at a screen. (granted, sitting on my butt is my IDEAL job, but not programming....way too stressful and boring.) I still do Web design, though (HTML- not those crappy programs) But, i have decided to pursue my MCSE instead. I'm currently working as a PC Tech. (there's GREAT money in that, BTW) which leads me to my Next topic : What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related professions (other than chatting..:) ) >> For me, I am still a student in my junior year of high school, so i dont really have a job. I mean, I work in the summer, but thats just for spare money... Right now I am working on 2 websites- a new one for me (about roller coasters) and then one for my friend's band. Mine will hopefully launch sometime this month. It will have a very simple design, but will have a lot of cool stuff in it... Also on my computer I also like to... ironically... program. Lol, I use Visual Basic too. Seriously though, if it wasnt for some good music (Sublime, Weezer, MxPx, the Beatles, my friend's band...), i would die. Like you said, its very boring, which is why I havent been doing it that much since June. but hopefully I can finish the second version of the Roller Coaster Encyclopedia sometime soon. Since I got my camcorder, I have also been videotaping like crazy (Ive taped about 1,000 minutes since I got in August). I've already made two movies for school, and working on making videos of the rollers coasters I taped over the summer. Thats about it... Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Nov 06 13:37:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 21:37:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 21300 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 21:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 21:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.157) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 21:37:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:37:37 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:37:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:37:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2001 21:37:37.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[40C443F0:01C1670B] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering >student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? >I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related >professions (other than chatting..:) ) I drink a lot of beer and sleep all day. I'm a college student. :) English is my major. I've had a plethora of jobs. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From thunder1usa1@aol.com Tue Nov 06 14:29:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 22:28:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 47885 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.160.36d8edd (2169) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:28:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <160.36d8edd.2919bdf6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:28:06 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/2001 4:43:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, IOASpiderman@aol.com writes: > > What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering > student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? > I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related > professions (other than chatting..:) ) >> > Assistant Customer Service Supervisor @ a telecommunications/wireless company. Other than that, Surfing the Net until I drop (especially roller coaster related sites). Joe thunder1usa1@aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder1usa1@aol.com Tue Nov 06 14:31:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 22:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 61008 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 22:31:57 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.c1.167983e1 (2169) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:31:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:31:46 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2001 11:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, serpmage@juno.com writes: > If locals were where Cedar > Point drew the majority of their money from, why would they be building > two huge new hotels right there? Tim, You hit it right on the nose. I will take this further also. Why is SFMM also considering a major hotel type complex? It's due to the visitors from outside of the area. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Nutz2123@aol.com Tue Nov 06 14:36:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nutz2123@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 22:36:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 21932 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 22:36:28 -0000 Received: from Nutz2123@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.163.378589b (14376) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:36:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <163.378589b.2919bfd1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:36:01 EST Subject: Fwd: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: Nutz2123@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: nutz2123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a Junior in high school also, and I work at Blockbuster Video about 25-30 hours a week, sometimes even more....it sucks, but I deal with it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Nov 06 14:49:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 22:49:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 83657 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 22:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 22:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp008pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.187) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 22:49:01 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp008pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA6MmqK20853 Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:48:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE86A1E.C4D90277@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:54:22 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? References: <160.36d8edd.2919bdf6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash thunder1usa1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/6/2001 4:43:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > IOASpiderman@aol.com writes: > > > > > What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering > > student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? > > I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related > > professions (other than chatting..:) ) >> > > > I figure this will be known already for most of you, but anyways... I'm a high school teacher by trade who has been staying home and playing house-dad for the last 3 years while also working in a Christian bookstore part time for a little fun on the side. My wife and I are also missionary-appointee's working on raising our monthly support so that we can go to work as teachers in Bogota', Colombia. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From cameronbw@aol.com Tue Nov 06 14:53:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 22:53:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 95831 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 22:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 22:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 22:53:53 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.c4.1d509daa (4241) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:53:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:53:44 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: cameronbw@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coastercameron In a message dated 11/6/01 4:51:06 PM Central Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: << monthly support so that we can go to work as teachers in Bogota', Colombia >> A kid in my class is from Bogota, he was very suprised when I asked HIM if he had been to the park in Bogota! Cameron Willis Please visit my forums at: http://cameronscoastersfourms.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/IB/ikonboard.cgi From bill@childsfamily.com Tue Nov 06 15:11:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 23:11:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 22791 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 23:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 23:11:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 23:10:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bill@childsfamily.com Received: from [10.1.2.101] by n18.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2001 23:10:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 23:10:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Message-ID: <9s9qlq+73sc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4f.13ddc828.2919ae5d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 297 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 From: "Bill Childs" X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm > What's everyone's occupation? I'm an attorney, specifically a litigator. I'm in D.C. at a semi-big firm (175 lawyers). I do about a third to a half patent litigation; the balance is a mix of criminal, copyright, contract, insurance, general business litigation, First Amendment, etc. -B From jzerkel@effingham.net Tue Nov 06 15:41:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 6 Nov 2001 23:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 80001 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2001 23:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2001 23:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2001 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.40]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:41:37 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c1671d$697e9360$28b1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <4f.13ddc828.2919ae5d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:47:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: > What's everyone's occupation? I am a "full-time substitute." Although I don't work full-time, I do a considerable amount of substitute teaching (usually in the intermediate grades.....3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th) I am also a substitute mail carrier.........I work as a mailman at our local post office every Saturday, and whenever the regular carrier is sick, on vacation, etc. Since I have to work at the P.O. every Saturday, I'm sadly unable to attend very many ERT coaster events;......but since there is no school during the summer (for now), my summers are pretty much free to visit several parks during the week. --Jon Z. (Zerkel.....not Zuker) From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Tue Nov 06 16:04:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 00:04:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 20311 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 00:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 00:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.41) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 00:04:58 -0000 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fA704vA00645 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:04:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200111070004.fA704vA00645@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:04:57 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 From: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Yahoo-Profile: latent5150 > What's everyone's occupation? Forensic Technologist From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 06 16:41:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 00:41:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 77520 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 00:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 00:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20401.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.120) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 00:41:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011107004123.53440.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.158.38.95] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:41:23 PST Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:41:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > What's everyone's occupation? I shall call it Mini-Poll... I work for Amusement Business magazine selling advertising, mostly to ride manufacturers. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From stephanie@stealyourface.com Tue Nov 06 17:39:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: stephanie@stealyourface.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 01:39:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 71096 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 01:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 01:39:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail15b.boca15-verio.com) (208.55.91.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 01:39:17 -0000 Received: from www.stealyourface.com (131.103.239.77) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 045967768 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:38:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3BE89023.DF2A2DF1@stealyourface.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:36:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? References: <4f.13ddc828.2919ae5d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 From: Stephanie Beck X-Yahoo-Profile: s_b_420 MxPx2@aol.com wrote: <> I am. :-) I work for a large ISP/WPP (Internet Service/Web Presence Provider) Called Verio. I am a Trainer/System Administrator for our IT Solutions Department, and I mostly work on our in-house trouble ticket tracking system software. Stephanie From dj.fergus@verizon.net Tue Nov 06 19:05:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dj.fergus@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 03:05:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 93588 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 03:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 03:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp006pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.185) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 03:05:12 -0000 Received: from fergus (chcgil2-ar4-242-228.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.242.228]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fA735B813442 Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:05:11 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011106220516.01add100@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: res089x8@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 22:05:16 -0600 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? In-Reply-To: <4f.13ddc828.2919ae5d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Fergus X-Yahoo-Profile: fergcore69 > What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering > student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? > I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related > professions (other than chatting..:) ) I'm the extremely poor pre-veterinary student :) fergus From lu_pavlik@hotmail.com Tue Nov 06 19:25:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lu_pavlik@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 03:25:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 70598 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 03:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 03:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.56) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 03:25:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:25:02 -0800 Received: from 208.22.189.42 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 03:25:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.22.189.42] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 22:25:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 03:25:02.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[C94A5DB0:01C1673B] From: "Lucas Pavlik" > > What's everyone's occupation? > >I shall call it Mini-Poll... Junior in high school, then will be a cop. fun fun fun! -Lucas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jrushi5@lsu.edu Tue Nov 06 19:44:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 03:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 43578 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 03:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 03:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.184.129) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 03:44:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:44:52 -0600 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 11/06/2001 09:44:53 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" X-Yahoo-Profile: thrillriderj > > What's everyone's occupation? > >I shall call it Mini-Poll... Sophomore at Louisiana State University in Pre-Law. Hope to be a lawyer. Joshua Rushing From Xcoaster@juno.com Tue Nov 06 20:42:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 04:42:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 76134 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 04:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 04:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 04:42:43 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWo50qKXauS7KB1CfkC1F4bG562HLD7yTUw=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKL8VKX6; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 23:42:20 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:40:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Message-ID: <20011106.204002.-1948499.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,11-15 From: Xcoaster@juno.com > > What's everyone's occupation? > >I shall call it Mini-Poll... Bet this is exciting, but a sophomore in High School. Yep. Hoping to be an engineer someday. And the only classes they keep screwing up on my schedule are my Physics class that was supposed to be honors Physics this year and my Geometry class last year that was supposed to be honors. I didn't even realize I was in regular physics until about a week ago. Kinda my fault then. Oh well, at least I have a crazy physics teacher now. No joke, he's probably certifiably nuts. It is kinda fun having a loony teacher though. Anyways, time to stop rambling. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com PS. Anyone planning on going to ACE's next coaster con at SFMM and KBF? It's kinda a long way off, but I hope to see some of you there. I wonder if they'll end up doing any other parks. I wouldn't be surprised if they went to that other park in Anaheim with the vintage Wild Mouse from Austrailia, I believe. Adventure City, I think? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From serpmage@juno.com Tue Nov 06 21:56:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 05:56:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 17589 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 05:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 05:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 05:56:34 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAIVdTP3OVHrVW5WqLHBXCtbk49Xnzvc7IQ=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GKMC492T; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 00:56:27 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:56:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical Message-ID: <20011107.005615.-450137.3.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,26-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > I know it's been started before, but...What's everyone's HONEST > opinion of X? > I mean, Engineering wise, Technical, and from a Maintainence > standpoint. As far as I'm concerned, the concept behind X was brilliant, the possibilities of the concept are endless, as I'm sure most of you have seen the interesting ideas drawn on Badnitrus. However, the implementation of the idea was extremely poor. There are severe issues with loading a cantilevered beam (the post holding the seats sticking out the side of the train) the way they did, just asking for fatigue problems there. Not only that, but then there are two beams pulling away from each other with equal force so there is going to be problems with internal loading of the car frame. Then also, with the inside location of the main wheels, the forces caused by the beams on either side are going to cause even more track hunt that is encountered on a normal inside the track design, thus causing extreme vibrations. With the severity of the vibrations combined with the unusually high weight of the train, undue strain is exerted on both the internal structure of the car as well as the track itself. Another thing was the ridiculous method of progressing from a 15 ft version to a 200 ft version, with nothing in between. It's like taking building an airplane in a computer simulation and then saying that since the computer model works, let's start full scale production. You need a reasonablely sized test article before putting people in a full scale version. I kind of wonder what would have happened with this design if someone inside B&M had struck upon the same idea. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Wed Nov 07 03:55:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 11:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 6126 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 11:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 11:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11608.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.60) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 11:55:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20011107115556.28733.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.124] by web11608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 03:55:56 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 03:55:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Gustavo Queiroz Hi, I am an electronics engineer. Nowadays, I work with Telecommunication software (mediation and fraud) at Compaq, here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Best, Gustavo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From regnal@adelphia.net Wed Nov 07 04:40:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 12:40:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 54042 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 12:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 12:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 12:40:16 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMFKJ300.4FJ for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:40:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c16789$44a30780$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <4f.13ddc828.2919ae5d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:39:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram I founded and operate a Private Elementary School.... but not to spoil your theory....all of my previous companies were related to computer work. Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:21 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? > In a message dated 11/6/2001 3:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mullin17bb@yahoo.com writes: > > > > especially during my > > boring Visual Basic class ;). > > EEEEWWW!!! Those classes are so boring. In fact, I decided NOT to further > pursue programming, because all you do is sit on your butt and stare at a > screen. (granted, sitting on my butt is my IDEAL job, but not > programming....way too stressful and boring.) I still do Web design, though > (HTML- not those crappy programs) But, i have decided to pursue my MCSE > instead. I'm currently working as a PC Tech. (there's GREAT money in that, > BTW) > which leads me to my Next topic : > > What's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering > student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? > I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related > professions (other than chatting..:) ) > > so, let's hear it. > > -Josh > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From regnal@adelphia.net Wed Nov 07 04:42:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 12:42:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 72993 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 12:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 12:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 12:42:55 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMFKNI00.CED for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c16789$a3519da0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: <200111070004.fA704vA00645@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:42:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram costanza@tampabayrr.....I have a nearly obsessive fascination with forensic science....what was your course work in college....is it something at 40ish person could pursue if she were wanting to recreate herself? Mary Pat Langer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? > > What's everyone's occupation? > > > Forensic > Technologist > > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Wed Nov 07 06:48:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 14:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 59749 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 14:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 14:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 14:47:59 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [130.110.1.217]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA47606 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:49:27 -0500 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256AFD.00514F0A ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:48:06 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256AFD.00514899.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:48:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< > boring Visual Basic class ;). What's everyone's occupation? >>> Um, I program in VB. I'm a software engineer, currently working in the pharmceutical industry, but as a data whore (I'm also an air-time whore!), I'll work for whoever pays me. I was originally an electrical engineer, but after a year of doing that, I was offered a job in software, and I've never looked back. I've written code in many languages, but I've been using VB almost exclusively for the last six years (by the way, choice of language is not usually mine). Jon Z (BSEE '84, Univ. of Pennsylvania) From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 07 08:08:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 16:08:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 37444 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 16:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 16:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 16:08:04 -0000 Received: (cpmta 1704 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 08:08:04 -0800 Date: 7 Nov 2001 08:08:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20011107160804.1703.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Nov 2001 16:08:04 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 07 Nov 2001 08:08:03 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re:Thoughts on Curtis & Charlie From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >The best thing I can say about the > difference is to direct you to Dave Althoff's page< Thanks for the link. That made it all very clear. Trailered cars, it turns out, are what I'd been referring to as articulated. I'm glad I'm straightened out on that now. Jay From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Nov 07 08:28:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 16:28:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 54619 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 16:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 16:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.188) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 16:28:33 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp009pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA7GSck11360 Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:28:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE96275.CDE0EA30@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:33:57 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash cameronbw@aol.com wrote: << monthly support so that we can go to work as teachers in Bogota', Colombia > >> > > A kid in my class is from Bogota, he was very suprised when I asked HIM if > he had been to the park in Bogota! > Don't hesitate to refer him to the pictures section of my website then, if he has access ot the web. I'm sure that he'll see a bunch there that he'll recognize. And the pictures area is pretty light as far as "preachy" goes, so you shouldn't have to worry about any "church/ state" problems if that is a worry for you. And there are pictures of the two parks that I visited there. It's a bit slow loading because I never did go back and compess the images (sorry guys), but shouldn't be to bad even if you're on a dial up. The page is at http://www.geocities.com/gburnash/photos/index.html and the links to the ride park pages are down near the bottom of the page. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Nov 07 08:57:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 16:57:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 64872 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.180) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 16:57:09 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp001pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA7Gukr24598 Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:56:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE96930.B6786577@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:02:40 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? References: <20011106.204002.-1948499.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash comments on several of the posts in this thread: Jon Zerkel wrote: > I am a "full-time substitute." Although I don't work full-time, I do a > considerable amount of substitute teaching (usually in the intermediate > grades.....3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th) > I've been there to Jon, except I've always worked with junior high and high school. I play to much with the younger ones to be real effective. :-) Did a year and a half of full time substituting out in TX ($45/ day- woohoo!!). Then when we moved back to Sacramento I worked for two years as the "official full time sub" at a private school there. If any of you run accross a group called PlusOne, look at the picture on their album cover. The guy on the far right, Nate Cole, was one of my students! I also went to college with the older brother of one of the guys. Adam Sandy wrote: > I work for Amusement Business magazine selling > advertising, mostly to ride manufacturers. I knew that you did some writing, but didn't realize that was what you actually did for a living. Can I be so bold as to ask which magazine? Xcoaster@juno.com wrote: > PS. Anyone planning on going to ACE's next coaster con at SFMM and KBF? > It's kinda a long way off, but I hope to see some of you there. I wonder > if they'll end up doing any other parks. I wouldn't be surprised if they > went to that other park in Anaheim with the vintage Wild Mouse from > Austrailia, I believe. Adventure City, I think? If we're still in the country at that point I will be since I finally joined ACE at Ridefest last month. I don't know how much of it they have settled upon at this point as far as whatelse they will be doing, if anything. But I'm sure they will let us know as the time approaches. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 07 09:01:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 17:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2088 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 17:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 17:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.125) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 17:01:46 -0000 Received: (cpmta 5784 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 09:01:45 -0800 Date: 7 Nov 2001 09:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: <20011107170145.5783.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Nov 2001 17:01:45 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 07 Nov 2001 09:01:45 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Traver's Crystal Beach Cylcone From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think it was Adam who recently submitted a post that said he was working on a model of the Crystal Beach Cyclone.< Nope. I was the one. I made all the measurements and drilled all the footers in a 2'x4' base. I got some sample material for tracks and the train chassis, but stopped there when I learned of the coaster model builder's greatest enemy--friction. Since friction can't be scaled down, it virtually increases with smaller scales. So even if I were to create a wonderful exact miniature, it could never complete even part of the circuit. I'm still puzzling over exactly how to overcome this hurdle. >That got me to thinking.........has anybody here ever attempted to build a replica of that coaster on Roller Coaster Tycoon?< I've built replicas in both RCT and Disney's Coaster. Both of those programs have problems: mainly, the track only curves at 45- or 90-degree angles. The track of the CBC is much more subtle and sinuous than either of those programs allow. So neither RCT nor Coaster can give accurate readings of what the ride must have been like. I've just recreated the Riverside Cyclone using Ultimate Ride, and I'll tackle the CBC next with that program. That program doesn't seem to faithfully re-create the physics, and you also can't choose Prior-and-Church running stock.... Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 07 09:02:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 17:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 73718 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 17:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 17:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.126) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 17:02:18 -0000 Received: (cpmta 17887 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 09:02:17 -0800 Date: 7 Nov 2001 09:02:17 -0800 Message-ID: <20011107170217.17886.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Nov 2001 17:02:17 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 07 Nov 2001 09:02:16 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Traver's Crystal Beach Cylcone From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think it was Adam who recently submitted a post that said he was working on a model of the Crystal Beach Cyclone.< Nope. I was the one. I made all the measurements and drilled all the footers in a 2'x4' base. I got some sample material for tracks and the train chassis, but stopped there when I learned of the coaster model builder's greatest enemy--friction. Since friction can't be scaled down, it virtually increases with smaller scales. So even if I were to create a wonderful exact miniature, it could never complete even part of the circuit. I'm still puzzling over exactly how to overcome this hurdle. >That got me to thinking.........has anybody here ever attempted to build a replica of that coaster on Roller Coaster Tycoon?< I've built replicas in both RCT and Disney's Coaster. Both of those programs have problems: mainly, the track only curves at 45- or 90-degree angles. The track of the CBC is much more subtle and sinuous than either of those programs allow. So neither RCT nor Coaster can give accurate readings of what the ride must have been like. I've just recreated the Riverside Cyclone using Ultimate Ride, and I'll tackle the CBC next with that program. That program doesn't seem to faithfully re-create the physics, and you also can't choose Prior-and-Church running stock.... Jay From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Nov 07 09:17:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 17:17:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 29017 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 17:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 17:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20609.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.167) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 17:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20011107171659.95328.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:16:59 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:16:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3BE96930.B6786577@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- George Burnash wrote: > Adam Sandy wrote: > > > I work for Amusement Business magazine selling > > advertising, mostly to ride manufacturers. > > I knew that you did some writing, but didn't realize > that was what you actually did for a living. Can I > be so bold as to ask > which magazine? Umm George, it's right there "Amusement Business magazine" (unless I'm on crack....) Anywhoo, *pour moi* Je traville au Bureau de Patents et Trademarks des Etats-Unis ou je suis un <>. Aussi, je suis un etudiant a l'universite de Howard. lata, jeremy --a rocket scientist by training, printed circuit board electrical engineer by trade (NO PROGRAMMING!!!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Wed Nov 07 09:20:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 17:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 12207 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 17:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 17:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.48) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 17:20:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:20:27 -0800 Received: from 152.163.207.176 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:20:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.176] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:20:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 17:20:27.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E374160:01C167B0] From: "Jeremy Daniels" Chris K. wrote....> >Let's look at Sandusky. What is Sandusky without Cedar Point? Absolutely >nothing! Sandusky wouldn't have the economy it has if Cedar Point didn't >exist. What reason would people have for staying in Sandusky if it wasn't >for CP? What reason would they have for advertising so heavily in CP's >Getaway Guide? > >-Chris K- WELL YEAH, that's just common sense... only other thing sandusky had was it's name in TOMMY BOY the movie! all i have to say now jeremy d. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Nov 07 09:36:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 17:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 74461 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 17:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 17:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp010pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.189) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 17:36:28 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp010pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA7HbC803189 Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:37:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE97268.138DCC10@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:42:00 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? References: <20011107171659.95328.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Jeremy Norris wrote: > --- George Burnash wrote: > > Adam Sandy wrote: > > > > > I work for Amusement Business magazine selling > > > advertising, mostly to ride manufacturers. > > > > I knew that you did some writing, but didn't realize > > that was what you actually did for a living. Can I > > be so bold as to ask > > which magazine? > > Umm George, it's right there "Amusement Business > magazine" (unless I'm on crack....) > Nope, you're right. It's right there. I was reading it as "work for AN Amusement Business...", but looking at it now it's pretty obvious that there is no "an" there. Duh. Must be all the chost I've been eating lately. keep on ridin' george __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Nov 07 09:52:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 17:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 61498 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 17:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 17:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 17:52:48 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id LAA05420; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:52:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:52:40 -0600 Message-Id: <200111071752.LAA05420@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" Project Engineer (Systems) with Invensys Building Systems in Rockford Il. I provide applications engineering and technical support to our field offices for our environmental and building control systems products. As a side note, it is because of travel associated with this occupation that has allowed me to visit seven of the 18 parks I have been to and 37 of the 81 coasters I have ridden. Dave Rounds From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 07 10:01:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 18:01:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6181 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 18:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 18:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 18:01:39 -0000 Received: (cpmta 6899 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 10:01:39 -0800 Date: 7 Nov 2001 10:01:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20011107180138.6898.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Nov 2001 18:01:38 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 07 Nov 2001 10:01:38 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: American Eagle (was SFGAm) From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Were they actually running both sides (i.e. you could queue up for either > side) or were they just taking care of one side's queue while they > switched operation from one side to the other? < They were actually running both sides, but simply sending them off whenever each side was loaded. I saw them "race" one or two times during the day. Toward the late afternoon, operation was cut back to one train. Jay From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Nov 07 10:10:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 18:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 87082 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 18:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 18:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 18:10:48 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id MAA16779; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:10:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:10:48 -0600 Message-Id: <200111071810.MAA16779@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: American Eagle (was SFGAm) X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" On Saturday 10/20/01 they were actually running both sides and almost always racing them all day. One time I saw a delay on one side because of the extra time to get a person from a wheelchair into and out of the ride but within 15-20 minutes, they were racing again. > > Were they actually running both sides (i.e. you could queue up for either > > side) or were they just taking care of one side's queue while they > > switched operation from one side to the other? < > > They were actually running both sides, but simply sending them off whenever each side was loaded. I saw them "race" one or two times during the day. Toward the late afternoon, operation was cut back to one train. > > Jay > Dave Rounds From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 07 10:24:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 18:24:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 45522 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 18:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 18:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.132) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 18:24:05 -0000 Received: (cpmta 7451 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 10:24:04 -0800 Date: 7 Nov 2001 10:24:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20011107182404.7450.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Nov 2001 18:24:04 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 07 Nov 2001 10:24:04 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Traver's Crystal Beach Cylcone From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > > Max Speed: 55 MPH, > > 82 ft max drop.<< > After seeing the pictures of the original, though.......I would have thought > that the nausea factor would have been much higher that 5.23. < The ride's lift actually topped off at 96 feet (the same as its descendant, the GE Comet). The first drop and second hill are next to impossible to create with RCT. The double helix is impossible. >The CB Cyclone was, after all,.....the only known coaster to have a nurse on duty > at the loading platform.< I don't think nurses are among the employees in RCT. ;-) Maybe you could stick the elephant there instead and just have it sit on the guests as they come off the ride. Jay From thunder1usa1@aol.com Wed Nov 07 14:33:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 22:33:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 79179 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 22:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 22:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 22:33:04 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.c1.1689065d (25101) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:32:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:32:58 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/2001 12:58:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, serpmage@juno.com writes: > Another thing was the ridiculous method of > progressing from a 15 ft version to a 200 ft version, with nothing in > between. It's like taking building an airplane in a computer simulation > and then saying that since the computer model works, let's start full > scale production. You need a reasonablely sized test article before > putting people in a full scale version. I kind of wonder what would have > happened with this design if someone inside B&M had struck upon the same > idea. > TA2K didn't go into a park until S&S did a test on their own. They built it themselves. I believe "X" right now is Arrow's full scale model, which leaves me to ask why SFMM would allow a test coaster to be built. If this is a test coaster, my speculation is that SFMM didn't pay for the coaster or received at a discount. I seem to recall earlier this year someone saying that SFMM's investment in this project was approximately $10k. As far as B& M's involvement - who knows what would've happened if they got their hands on this design. Who knows if they would've even pursued this type of coaster. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameronbw@aol.com Wed Nov 07 14:46:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cameronbw@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 22:46:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7636 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 22:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 22:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 22:46:24 -0000 Received: from Cameronbw@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.10f.7e165be (4239) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:46:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10f.7e165be.291b13b9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:46:17 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: cameronbw@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coastercameron In a message dated 11/7/01 10:30:31 AM Central Standard Time, gburnash@bigfoot.com writes: << "preachy" goes, so you shouldn't have to worry about any "church/ state" problems if that is a worry for you. And there are pictures of the two parks that I visited there. >> No worrys there, I go to private school ;) Cameron Willis Please visit my forums at: http://cameronscoastersfourms.netfirms.com/cgi-bin/IB/ikonboard.cgi From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Nov 07 14:50:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 22:50:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 19742 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 22:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 22:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp002pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.181) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 22:50:09 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp002pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA7MnKn28807 Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:49:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BE9BBBC.28AC1DA7@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:54:52 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash thunder1usa1@aol.com wrote: > TA2K didn't go into a park until S&S did a test on their own. They built it > themselves. I believe "X" right now is Arrow's full scale model, which > leaves me to ask why SFMM would allow a test coaster to be built. If this is > a test coaster, my speculation is that SFMM didn't pay for the coaster or > received at a discount. I seem to recall earlier this year someone saying > that SFMM's investment in this project was approximately $10k. As far as B& > M's involvement - who knows what would've happened if they got their hands on > this design. Who knows if they would've even pursued this type of coaster. > This isn't SFMM's first "test coaster" by any means. Superman: The Escape definately qualifies there. So having testing delays and so forth with something new is by no means new to the park. Also I think, but Lance and others may be able to help me on this, parks normally don't pay for a coaster- I would imagine especially not a prototype- until the coaster is finished and turned over to the park to operate. There are downpayments and the like made I'm sure, but I've read in several places that the main payment for a coaster is often, if not normally, made after completion of the coaster. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Nov 07 15:03:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 23:03:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 40467 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 23:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.158) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 23:03:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20011107230333.67748.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:03:33 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:03:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- thunder1usa1@aol.com wrote: > TA2K didn't go into a park until S&S did a test on > their own. They built it > themselves. Yeah and that piece of crap still doesnt work right. I was told by a major park employee during the walkback closing Saturday that they were going to be working on running 3 trains for next year.... Three trains? I thought they had FOUR of them (yes, they do =]). jeremy --who understands that sometimes things dont work the way you plan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From thunder1usa1@aol.com Wed Nov 07 15:13:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 7 Nov 2001 23:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 11654 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2001 23:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2001 23:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2001 23:13:18 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.10e.7c399e3 (25101) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:13:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10e.7c399e3.291b1a08@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:13:12 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/7/2001 6:10:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, scrunch17@yahoo.com writes: > jeremy > --who understands that sometimes things dont work the > way you plan That's an understatement for some of the parks this past season : ) Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Nov 07 19:53:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 03:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 36361 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 03:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 03:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.121) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 03:53:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20011108035320.51217.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.128.49.136] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:53:20 PST Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:53:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >> I work for Amusement Business magazine selling >> advertising, mostly to ride manufacturers. >I knew that you did some writing, but didn't realize >that was what you actually did for a living. Actually, it is all sales. I do not do any writing for the magazine. I love my job, so I can't complain. Hell, I feel happy just to have a job in this economy. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From serpmage@juno.com Wed Nov 07 19:58:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 03:58:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 42403 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 03:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 03:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 03:58:00 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAK+iF+P8lBS+0D/cSWf9Zgy+YLkCkGvSLw=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GKPQNVH7; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:56:47 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:45:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Message-ID: <20011107.225628.-450137.4.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,13-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > Chris K. wrote....> > >Let's look at Sandusky. What is Sandusky without Cedar Point? > Absolutely > >nothing! Sandusky wouldn't have the economy it has if Cedar Point > didn't > >exist. What reason would people have for staying in Sandusky if it > wasn't > >for CP? What reason would they have for advertising so heavily in > CP's > >Getaway Guide? Well, look at Orlando, what would Orlando be if it weren't for Disney? My bet is on swamp land, orange groves, and possibly a missile testing facility. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From serpmage@juno.com Wed Nov 07 19:58:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 03:58:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 39770 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 03:58:28 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAK+iF+P8lBS+mxwvfOEQrlVYM8lvYOQC1A=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GKPQNVME; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:56:47 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:56:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical Message-ID: <20011107.225628.-450137.5.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,27-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > > TA2K didn't go into a park until S&S did a test on > > their own. They built it > > themselves. > > Yeah and that piece of crap still doesnt work right. > I was told by a major park employee during the > walkback closing Saturday that they were going to be > working on running 3 trains for next year.... Three > trains? I thought they had FOUR of them (yes, they do > =]). If you look at the station, Hypersonic was designed for 4 train operation, which would make the wait time almost bearable, as it is, there are probably more than just technical issues with getting more than two trains on the track. Granted, yes, they do have quite a large amount of down time, which is on reason they are only using two trains most of the time, but also look at the load times and the park crowds. From what I have heard and seen, the average wait for that coaster is usually between 1 and 2 hrs, actually not bad for a park's newest signature ride. In order to add another train to the track, the way things are set up, they would have to increase the station crew by at least two more people, meaning higher operating costs and higher employee fatigue with the increased rush to get the trains out of the station. It took nearly a year before Kraken ever put a third train on the tracks simply because the crew didn't have the experience to get trains through fast enough for it to make a difference. If you run three trains and stack them all every time, you may as well just have two on the track, because your through put will still be the same. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From serpmage@juno.com Wed Nov 07 19:59:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 03:59:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 98795 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 03:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 03:59:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 03:59:42 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAK+iF+P8lBS+FqwnGtTrmOkOoGUXEze43Q=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GKPQSQ2T; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:58:53 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:58:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Message-ID: <20011107.225835.-450137.6.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage Well, obviously everyone is aware that I'm an engineering student by now, but for those of you who don't know, I'm a Senior Aerospace Engineer at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, FL. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From lance@screamscape.com Wed Nov 07 20:53:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 04:53:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21048 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 04:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 04:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 04:53:05 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 161hBR-00034s-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:52:57 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01c16811$41b1f940$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <3BE9BBBC.28AC1DA7@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:53:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Also I think, but Lance and others may be able to help me on this, parks normally don't pay for a coaster- I would imagine > especially not a prototype- until the coaster is finished and turned over to the park to operate. There are downpayments and the > like made I'm sure, but I've read in several places that the main payment for a coaster is often, if not normally, made after > completion of the coaster. From what I seem to recall hearing, it seem most parks buy their major attractions like you would buy a car... they finance it and pay it off through monthly payments. In some cases, they get the financing on their own and just buy the rides outright and pay the bank and in many other cases, ride companies will finance the ride's themselves and accept payments on them directly, thus avoiding the bank as the middle man. Of course, most car companies also follow these same rules now as well by using their own motor finance divisions. (GMAC for example) Of course, it was this kind of thing that was a major issue in the Vekoma Bankrucpy it seems. Six Flags was buying so many Vekoma products, and then they hit serious snags with the 3 DejaVu rides as well as other problems elsewhere, and from what I heard, Six Flags wasn't going to pay a cent on any Vekoma purchased attractions until those Deja Vu coasters were up and running. (certainly, you wouldn't make a car payment before you had even recieved both your new car as well as the keys to run it). Now... prototype or not, anything can change here. I don't know if Six Flags is paying Arrow for X or not at this point... though I would think that they are not. HOWEVER... there are lots of things they had to have built in the process that are probably already being paid for... the new pathways, landscaping, the new bridge, wiring and whatever other underground things needed to be put in to install the coaster in a location that was formerly park of the exisiting park... So I really can't say what is what here. Some projects are complete turnkey systems, where the maker will provide the entire installation (Another rumored problem with the DejaVu projects) and others will just put in their own parts and pieces and leave it up to the park's themselves to do the rest. (I've heard first hand about how Intamin build's their River Rapids rides at parks in this later fashion. They provide the pumps, lift, boats and turntable and everything else is left up to the park to design and install... like the river trough and the rapids elements, which is why there is such a vast variety of how well (or not) these rides turn out. Intamin provides a basic guideline for designs... things their rides are capable of and what they are not and the parks have to hire another design firm to do the rest. Though, for an increased cost, I'm sure the park can hire Intamin to do it for them, but it seems to be cheaper the other way. From lance@screamscape.com Wed Nov 07 20:55:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 04:55:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 54043 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 04:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 04:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 04:55:02 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 161hDK-00039g-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:54:55 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c16811$878ecce0$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20011107230333.67748.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:55:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > TA2K didn't go into a park until S&S did a test on > > their own. They built it > > themselves. > > Yeah and that piece of crap still doesnt work right. > I was told by a major park employee during the > walkback closing Saturday that they were going to be > working on running 3 trains for next year.... Three > trains? I thought they had FOUR of them (yes, they do Yes, Hypersonic has 4 trains, but coming right from the mouth of S&S, the 4th train is a "spare". It was only intended to run 3 at one time. From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Wed Nov 07 21:21:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 05:21:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 86223 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 05:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 05:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.43) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 05:21:08 -0000 Received: from zurstery (6532134hfc201.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.134.201]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fA85L7S17531 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:21:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <041001c16815$2b73dd20$c9862041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <200111070004.fA704vA00645@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> <005301c16789$a3519da0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:58:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "brian costanza" X-Yahoo-Profile: latent5150 well everyone usually does have some fascination. but the way the dept is run where I work (fla dept of law enforcement) it diminishes that passion. They are requiring more and more science background. I do latent fingerprint processing, which I think is the alst section left that doesnt require a science degree. I went to FSU and graduated with a criminology and criminal justice. it was mainly for cops, which I didnt want to do . University of Central Fla has a degree program for forensic science and meets the appropriate science requirement. > costanza@tampabayrr.....I have a nearly obsessive fascination with forensic > science....what was your course work in college....is it something at 40ish > person could pursue if she were wanting to recreate herself? > Mary Pat Langer From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Nov 07 22:02:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 06:02:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 28807 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 06:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 06:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.140) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 06:02:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:01:33 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 06:01:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] X gets technical Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 01:01:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2001 06:01:33.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[D199A3B0:01C1681A] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >If you look at the station, Hypersonic was designed for 4 train >operation, which would make the wait time almost bearable, as it is, >there are probably more than just technical issues with getting more than >two trains on the track. Granted, yes, they do have quite a large Hypersonic's capacity will never be high, that's a fact. The number of trains on the track isn't as important as the interval that the trains are dispatched. The Hypersonic ride cycle is roughly a minute long. Mind you, most of that time is spent advancing and weighing- it's only about 12 seconds from launch to brake. Hypersonic has an interesting set-up. While one train is being weighed, another train can advance out of the station. It can't turn the corner to the weight station though, in case the train before it shoots a blank and rolls back. There's a holding area right outside the station which allows them to advance trains in the station and load empty ones. Anyway, one train can't launch until the train in front of it has cleared the final brakes. It really doesn't take long to load an 8 passenger train, so the ride operators should consistently hit interval. They can't launch trains more than every minute (and they don't), so capacity can NEVER be higher than 480 people/hour! The only thing extra trains will do is help them reach their interval easily. -Chris "DOWN WITH HYPERSONIC!" K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 07 23:02:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 70258 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:21 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/RXcvJb47UMjzDjfLYB50cN242kBF8lxi"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKP3AKD5; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 02:02:17 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:01:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! Message-ID: <20011108.010127.-305285.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,13-14,17-19 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >Let's look at Sandusky. What is Sandusky without Cedar Point? > Absolutely > >nothing! Sandusky wouldn't have the economy it has if Cedar Point > didn't > >exist. What reason would people have for staying in Sandusky if it > wasn't > >for CP? > WELL YEAH, that's just common sense... only other thing sandusky had > was > it's name in TOMMY BOY the movie! Well, there's that cute little wild life safari park, and some sort of rock and roll hall of fame.... ;-) And of course, there's enough mini-golf that, if put together, it'd probably equal the acerage of your average 18-hole golf course. Can't forget the mini-golf! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 07 23:02:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 99902 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:21 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/RXcvJb47UMgDS25cQyofGvu6Rde05Om+"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKP3AKC4; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 02:02:17 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:46:43 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM "XTreme Park" Message-ID: <20011108.010127.-305285.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-18,23-34,38-60 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > How would Goliath rate next to the B&M and Intamin hypers? No idea. > Does > anyone > here particularly enjoy Morgan hypers? I do. They're a lot of fun, but if you're expecting intensity you're wasting your time. > Do SF parks currently have > contracts > with Morgan? No - does anybody? > Other than SD2K, what has Morgan done lately? Merged with Chance rides (press release: http://www.dhmorgan.com/graphics/cm-pr1.rtf ). Morgan also completed Phantom's Revenge this spring and opened a mine train at Bonfante Gardens. The company has also dropped a few hints that they are working on projects for the next few years. > BTW, Nate, of course all of these most-coasters/xtreme park > promotions > are to get the maximum patronage ... but I thought that the whole > idea behind > SFMM becoming the Xtreme Park was that it has (or will have- > hopefully soon! > Hurry up X!) the most coasters on earth. Is it just because they > have these > new "xtreme" rides opening that make it that? Nothing makes it that - the park made it up in order to sell itself. Yes, "Xtreme" is a bit of a play on words (with their coaster being called "X") but that's not what makes them the Xtreme park. The park gave itself the title, nobody else did. > BTW, it's odd that > they would > make Deja Vu in such a popular park. It's Six Flags. The concept of "odd" just does not exist in their parks. > How long is the line? It must > be > crazy! The one at SFGAm usually has a line of 1-3 hours. > Anyone here been on it? See my review. > Is the front seat worth the wait? I haven't sat in the front, but I would say no - backseat all the way. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 07 23:02:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 95504 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:22 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/RXcvJb47UMj/6DGmc2GJg0zpKOH7RlJ9"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKP3AKB6; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 02:02:17 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:35:36 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] 5 parks in 3 days Message-ID: <20011108.010127.-305285.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11,13-33,41-56 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > We certainly were a varied group of > > individuals - , Brian > > the carefree partier(and womanizer ;-), > Whatever gave you that impression?!? Was it that 50 > year old lady dressed up as farmer Bob that kept > hitting on me? "say... your cute!" I guess part of > the blame was on me for replying to her and saying she > looked pretty good herself in that costume. eeech! LOL! I think what gave me that impression was the fact that you talked about women non-stop. ;-) Of course, most of the other guys did too, but Jeremy & Josh stole the "hick" and "punk" titles, respectively. > > TOBOGGAN - 1970 Chance Toboggan. +.5 (there's a > > decimal point in frontof that!) > > I've ridden one other Chance Toboggan, and I was not > > impressed, mostly > > because I didn't fit in the car. It's not at all > > something I would wait in line for or > > would ride more than once, but a toboggan here and > > there never hurt anybody. > > Agreed... As I mentioned to you guys on the trip, I > was looking forward to this ride. I remember riding > it with my dad when I was just a little kid. There > were two parks we used to go to in the Chicago area, > Kiddie Kingdom and Santa's Villiage. (I don't even > know if these places exist any more!) One of these, I > can't remember, had this ride and I used to love it, > simply because of the vertical lift. (take that > Millenium Force!!) I know Santa's Village still exists (http://www.santasvillageil.com). I had never been there, so I decided to swing by the park to take a look on my way back from Ohio. Typhoon looks wicked enough to get me to go back there at least once next summer. I've never heard of Kiddie Kingdom, but there is a place in the Chicago area called Kiddieland that has operated since 1950 (http://www.kiddieland.com). There's only one coaster there, though - a junior Schmeck woodie. RCDB doesn't list either of these parks as having a Chance Toboggan in the past, though. > > ...and thanks to all five of you (Josh, Jeremy, > > Brian, George, and Corey) > > for a great time. See ya' next year! > Yes, Thanks guys!! I had an awesome time, and hope to > be able to do it again soon! Yes, I hear there are talks about another in early December??? ;-) > AFLAC!!!! Supplemental insurance???! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 07 23:02:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11884 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 07:02:23 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/RXcvJb47UMixU3GY/b+REwV65PvV1sQo"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKP3AKDL; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 02:02:17 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 00:58:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP's expanded coverage (try #3) Message-ID: <20011108.010127.-305285.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20,35-46,50-60 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Until I can see some kind of theory on why it's worthwhile for a > > park to > > spend $15 million for a brand new coaster in order to have the > "most > > coasters" title when any old ad campaign would do the same trick, > I > > just > > won't believe the parks are actually competing. Now, those who > work > > in > > the park may feel that SFMM are their rivals, but when it actually > > > comes > > down to making purchases, it makes NO sense. > SWF spent more than $25 mil on Kraken, (track, construction, > buildings, > some marketing may be included in that estimate) and park > attendance > jumped significantly with it's opening. First of all, $25 million is a *lot* to pay for a new steel coaster (for comparison, Apollo's Chariot is said to have cost $20 million and it is a much larger ride). Secondly, either I worded the above paragraph wrong or you misunderstood. My argument was that it's not worth spending million after million on new rides just to claim a title when one new coaster each year (instead of 3) would draw just as many people (at least not *that* many less). Attendance does jump significantly with the installation of a big new coaster, but there's only a certain amount of money that will be paid off by that increase. You can throw in 1 new coaster, or 3 new coasters, or 10 new coasters in a year and do you really think attendance is going to be that much different? No - attendance is not dependant on how much money is spent on new rides. You can keep throwing in money each year, but you're not going to see more people coming to the park because it is still drawing people from the same areas - and the population of thoe areas is limited. > Now granted Kraken was a > big > change of pace for Sea World, but with IOA having a very similar > ride, SW > billed their coaster as the "Biggest, Longest, Wildest ride in > Orlando" > often not even mentioning that it was a coaster, merely refering to > it as > a ride and it still made a big difference. And that it's a coaster (and yes, people know that). I've seen figures that say that new coasters are paid off within 1-3 years of being built by the increase in attendance. However, as I stated above, building 3 new coasters doesn't mean attendance will increase that much more. And you can't tell me > that > SFMM and CP haven't paid off the Discovery Channel, seen nation > wide, to > add their park to their documentaries. Well, there you go. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 07 23:19:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 07:19:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12843 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 07:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 07:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 07:19:18 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/Pa+LGTMd+JusBmCYdG4xC8uO1pAxXXPC"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKP385Q7; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 02:18:59 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 01:15:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hypersonic Capacity Message-ID: <20011108.011800.-305285.9.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-25,38-39,41-43 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >If you look at the station, Hypersonic was designed for 4 train > >operation, which would make the wait time almost bearable, as it > is, > >there are probably more than just technical issues with getting > more than > >two trains on the track. > The Hypersonic ride cycle is roughly a minute long. Mind you, most > of that > time is spent advancing and weighing- it's only about 12 seconds > from launch > to brake. > Anyway, one train can't launch until the train in front of it has > cleared > the final brakes. It really doesn't take long to load an 8 > passenger train, > so the ride operators should consistently hit interval. They can't > launch > trains more than every minute (and they don't), so capacity can > NEVER be > higher than 480 people/hour! If it only takes 12 seconds from launch to final brakes, you can add on another 10 seconds or so to clear the final brakes which would mean the ride cycle (minus weighing and advancing to launch) is 22 seconds. Why, then, can't a train be launched every 22 seconds??? A really effecient crew could come close to reaching that. I haven't seen the ride so I don't know exactly how it works, but couldn't there be one train on the course, one loading, and one weighing/advancing? Then you'd have a much better capacity. Having never seen it in action, the only think I can think would be at fault here would be the weighing system (it takes more than 22 seconds to weigh the train). Could that be sped up somehow (if that's the case)?? I just don't understand why the heck this ride couldn't have a better capacity. (FYI, if trains were launched every 22 seconds, capacity would be 1312pph) In any case, it's better than the capacity on the super invertigos right now (which are at 320-384pph) -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Nov 08 06:17:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 14:16:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 86846 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 14:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 14:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20408.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.127) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 14:16:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20011108141658.82412.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.136.39.83] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 06:16:58 PST Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 06:16:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: 5 parks in 3 days To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >I know Santa's Village still exists >(http://www.santasvillageil.com). I had never been >there, so I decided to swing by the park to take a >look on my way back from Ohio. Typhoon looks wicked >enough to get me to go back there at least once next >summer. Wicked is right because I have heard nothing but painful accounts of that ride. There was an ACE event there (as a side day) a few years ago with ERT. Apparently around 7 people showed up, all of those people rode the coaster once...and did not touch it the rest of the day. I have heard this thing makes Ron Toomer seem like a competent designer :) Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From bill@childsfamily.com Thu Nov 08 06:58:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 14:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 17834 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 14:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 14:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.80) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 14:58:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bill@childsfamily.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by n30.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2001 14:58:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:58:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Santa's Village [was 5 parks in 3 days] Message-ID: <9se6i8+4mnj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011108141658.82412.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1004 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 From: "Bill Childs" X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm > Wicked is right because I have heard nothing but > painful accounts of that ride. Here's my little review of Santa's Village, written shortly after a visit: Santa's Village Dundee, IL Last visited: June 2000 General comments: A heavily themed park, with lots of mild-ish flat rides and a totally out-of-place Pinfari torture coaster. Typhoon Steel maybe-looper (Pinfari) (1988). Rating: 1. (If I gave 0s, it'd get one.) Is it a loop? Is it an inversion? Is it a heavily- banked turn? Does anyone care? I surely don't. A nice diving loop and what looks like a loop that got knocked over about 30 degrees off vertical are completely ruined by bruisingly uncomfortable OTS restraints and incompetent transitions. Painful and boring. One more question: Why would anyone buy this when Schwarzkopfs of comparable size exist? In other words: Don't don't don't bother. Kiddieland, with a Schmeck junior coaster (Little Dipper) and outstanding classic flat rides is much more enjoyable. -B From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Nov 08 07:29:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 15:29:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 66610 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 15:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 15:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtppop3pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 15:29:27 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id JAA49436967 Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:29:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BEAA624.116BCF66@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:35:00 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: 5 parks in 3 days References: <20011108141658.82412.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > >I know Santa's Village still exists > >(http://www.santasvillageil.com). I had never been > >there, so I decided to swing by the park to take a > >look on my way back from Ohio. Typhoon looks wicked > >enough to get me to go back there at least once next > >summer. > > Wicked is right because I have heard nothing but > painful accounts of that ride. There was an ACE event > there (as a side day) a few years ago with ERT. > Apparently around 7 people showed up, all of those > people rode the coaster once...and did not touch it > the rest of the day. I have heard this thing makes > Ron Toomer seem like a competent designer :) I know that looking at some of the pictures of Typhoon on RCDB, it looks like it might be painful. Particularly the drop/twist going into the loop as shown in this picture: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery497.htm?Picture=2 I'm guessing closest comparison to what I've been on would be Desert Storm at Castles N' Coasters in Phoenix, which some have said can be very rough. This looks like it has DS beat by a long shot. Makes me wonder if I would want to go on any coasters built by Top Fun if this is typical. keep on ridin' George __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Nov 08 07:52:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 15:52:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 77076 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 15:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 15:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10904.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.40) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 15:52:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20011108155203.63558.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.35.88.5] by web10904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:52:03 PST Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:52:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: kiddie kingdom and the december FL trip To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > I know Santa's Village still exists > (http://www.santasvillageil.com). I've never heard > of Kiddie Kingdom, but > there is a place in the Chicago area called > Kiddieland that has operated > since 1950 (http://www.kiddieland.com). RCDB doesn't list > either of these > parks as having a Chance Toboggan in the past, > though. Well, I'm pretty sure I remember tha place being called "kiddie kingdom" but hey, I could be wrong. I was rather your at the time. I do remember the toboggan of course, why else would I have been so excited to ride on it?!? It may not have been a Chance Tobogan, but I distincly remember a vertical lift in a tube. > > Yes, I hear there are talks about another in early > December??? ;-) Yeah... we're working on a trip to orlando sometime soon after the 9th (when I get back from Houston again) But I'm not sure... when do the Christmas crowds start picking up? I would like to go and have walkons like I always do at the florida parks. Also, the flights need to have some empty seats if you guys are going to get on them going standby. > > AFLAC!!!! > > Supplemental insurance???! The first time I saw the AFLAC commercial (NYE 1999-2000) I laughed so hard I cried. But that's because I really like ducks and it also reminded of college when my friends and I would quack at each other across the campus to get each others attention. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (signing off for another week... it's back to Houston this afternoon for 5 days of training on my occupation... glorified bus driver!... I drive the short bus!!!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From IOASpiderman@aol.com Thu Nov 08 08:51:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 16:51:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12186 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 16:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 16:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 16:51:27 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.12d.7413f87 (25713) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:51:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12d.7413f87.291c1205@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:51:17 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hypersonic Capacity To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << > Anyway, one train can't launch until the train in front of it has > cleared > the final brakes. It really doesn't take long to load an 8 > passenger train, > so the ride operators should consistently hit interval. They can't > launch > trains more than every minute (and they don't), so capacity can > NEVER be > higher than 480 people/hour! If it only takes 12 seconds from launch to final brakes, you can add on another 10 seconds or so to clear the final brakes which would mean the ride cycle (minus weighing and advancing to launch) is 22 seconds. Why, then, can't a train be launched every 22 seconds??? A really effecient crew could come close to reaching that. I haven't seen the ride so I don't know exactly how it works, but couldn't there be one train on the course, one loading, and one weighing/advancing? Then you'd have a much better capacity. Having never seen it in action, the only think I can think would be at fault here would be the weighing system (it takes more than 22 seconds to weigh the train). Could that be sped up somehow (if that's the case)?? I just don't understand why the heck this ride couldn't have a better capacity. (FYI, if trains were launched every 22 seconds, capacity would be 1312pph) >> There was an article about all this in Wired magazine in the spring. I don't have it, so i cant look it up, but from what I remember, Stan commented that it could have a capacity of 960 pph. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From regnal@adelphia.net Thu Nov 08 09:04:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 17:04:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 34593 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 17:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 17:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.39) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 17:04:00 -0000 Received: from mrs ([24.48.135.221]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMHR9R00.F0N for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:01:03 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c16877$4c57bd60$1900a8c0@langer> Reply-To: "Mary Pat Langer" To: References: <12d.7413f87.291c1205@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hypersonic Capacity Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:03:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram Having been on (and waited in line for) Hypersonic, I have to say I can't see them turning a train over in 22 seconds. The restraints are different from anything else I"ve ever ridden and they are difficult to get in and out of. There is a seat belt and then the lap/shin bar restraint which takes a few seconds to get into properly. Allowing for the time to check the restraints, I can't fathom this being done in 22 seconds, plus when I timed the ride it was 37 seconds from launch to final brakes. MP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hypersonic Capacity > << > Anyway, one train can't launch until the train in front of it has > > cleared > > the final brakes. It really doesn't take long to load an 8 > > passenger train, > > so the ride operators should consistently hit interval. They can't > > launch > > trains more than every minute (and they don't), so capacity can > > NEVER be > > higher than 480 people/hour! > > If it only takes 12 seconds from launch to final brakes, you can add on > another 10 seconds or so to clear the final brakes which would mean the > ride cycle (minus weighing and advancing to launch) is 22 seconds. Why, > then, can't a train be launched every 22 seconds??? A really effecient > crew could come close to reaching that. I haven't seen the ride so I > don't know exactly how it works, but couldn't there be one train on the > course, one loading, and one weighing/advancing? Then you'd have a much > better capacity. Having never seen it in action, the only think I can > think would be at fault here would be the weighing system (it takes more > than 22 seconds to weigh the train). Could that be sped up somehow (if > that's the case)?? I just don't understand why the heck this ride > couldn't have a better capacity. (FYI, if trains were launched every 22 > seconds, capacity would be 1312pph) >> > > There was an article about all this in Wired magazine in the spring. I don't > have it, so i cant look it up, but from what I remember, Stan commented that > it could have a capacity of 960 pph. > > Mike > IOASpiderman@aol.com > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Nov 08 10:37:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 18:37:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 96016 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 18:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 18:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 18:37:02 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.11c.725ec34 (4532) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:36:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11c.725ec34.291c2ac8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:36:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/01 2:03:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > and some sort of > rock and roll hall of fame.... ;-) > > Which is nowhere NEAR Sandusky :-) That would be right along the banks of the Flats in Cleveland. hehe :) Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Nov 08 11:29:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 19:29:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 84574 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 19:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 19:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.157) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 19:29:40 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:29:40 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:29:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hypersonic Capacity Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:29:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2001 19:29:40.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5AA6330:01C1688B] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >If it only takes 12 seconds from launch to final brakes, you can add on >another 10 seconds or so to clear the final brakes which would mean the >ride cycle (minus weighing and advancing to launch) is 22 seconds. Why, >then, can't a train be launched every 22 seconds??? A really effecient >crew could come close to reaching that. I haven't seen the ride so I >don't know exactly how it works, but couldn't there be one train on the >course, one loading, and one weighing/advancing? Then you'd have a much >better capacity. Having never seen it in action, the only think I can >think would be at fault here would be the weighing system (it takes more >than 22 seconds to weigh the train). Could that be sped up somehow (if >that's the case)?? I just don't understand why the heck this ride >couldn't have a better capacity. (FYI, if trains were launched every 22 >seconds, capacity would be 1312pph) I think you answered your own question. The longest part of the ride is weighing and preparing for launch. It advances, weighs itself, then it has to wait for the launch thing to attach to the car. I don't see any way how the ride can launch trains faster than every 60 seconds. This leaves you with poor capacity. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Nov 08 12:26:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 20:26:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 786 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 20:26:09 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/1TEP8dtTh+JXR7gWQJSjDw=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GKRG8MEV; Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:25:09 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:24:05 -0600 Subject: NEWS: 2001 Internet Steel Tracked Roller Coaster Poll (self explanitory) Message-ID: <20011108.142407.-266997.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-87,89-113,115-117,119-120,122-123,125-127,129-504,506 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 In addition to Mitch Hawker's Annual Wooden Tracked Roller Coaster Poll, Patrick Dempsey is doing a 2001 Steel Tracked Roler Coaster Poll. Make sure to get your votes in for both polls (ballot for the wooden poll can be found at http://www.geocities.com/wcoasterpoll ). -Nate **************************************************** Ballot: 2001 Internet Steel Tracked Roller Coaster Poll The following ballot contains steel tracked rollercoasters that operated worldwide in 2001. The coasters are listed by state, then alphabetically by park. INSTRUCTIONS: PLEASE NOTE: If you are copying and pasting to e-mail you must ensure that all spacings within a line of the ballot are preserved. Step 1: Put your email address on line 1 of the ballot Step 2: Mark The Coasters That You Have Ridden Please change the first 'n' at the end of a line to a 'y' for each of the coasters you have ridden. Change the second 'n' to a 'y' for each coaster you rode in 2001. It is important that you mark ALL coasters you have ridden. Please delete all lines from the ballot except those that contain coasters you have ridden. Please try to keep each line 'as is'. Step 3: Rank The Coasters You Have Ridden Using Method A or B. Treat the line "My Favorite Wood Anypark Anywhere ** n n 0" as if it were your favorite wood coaster and rank it accordingly. DO NOT change the line except for the n's and the 0. DO NOT, Repeat: DO NOT change it to the real name of the woodcoaster. If you can't place your favorite wood coaster in relation to steel coasters, don't sweat it and just delete that line. The idea is just to see where the average poll respondent would rank their favorite wood coaster in relation to steel coasters. Method A: Individual Ranking Replace the '0' in the last column with a numeral representing its' rank, '1'=best through '175'(or however many you have ridden)=worst e.g. Alpengeist VA y y 1 Matterhorn Bobsleds Disneyland CA y n 4 Millenium Force Cedar Point OH y n 3 Stealth Great America CA y y 2 Steel Force Dorney Park PA y n 5 Method B: Group Ranking If you cannot decide between two coasters or a group of coasters, give them the same rank. You may choose to group as many or as few as you want. e.g. Alpengeist VA y y 1 Matterhorn Bobsleds Disneyland CA y n 2 Millenium Force Cedar Point OH y n 1 Stealth Great America CA y y 1 Steel Force Dorney Park PA y n 2 You may combine the two methods. e.g. Alpengeist VA y y 1 Matterhorn Bobsleds Disneyland CA y n 2 Millenium Force Cedar Point OH y n 3 Stealth Great America CA y y 4 Steel Force Dorney Park PA y n 4 Method A is preferable if you can do it, as more of your individual coaster vs. coaster preferences can be gleaned from it. In any case, PLEASE RANK AS MANY AS YOU CAN. Step 4: E-Mail Your Ballot To Me E-mail your ballot to me at theelfpat@AOL.com Please put ?Steel Coaster Poll? in the subject. As well as posting the results to r.r-c, I will e-mail a copy of the results (using bcc: for privacy) to all those who took the poll unless they indicate on their ballot that they do not wish to receive the results via e-mail. A LITTLE ABOUT HOW THE BALLOTS WILL BE TABULATED Coasters will be ranked by best head to head record against all others. Ties will be broken by head to head preference between those tied. This method avoids the arbitrary point assignments AND the bias towards more ridden coasters that is inherent in total point ranking schemes and to a lesser extent, in average point ranking schemes. DEADLINE: I will accept ballots until the end of November...results will be posted very soon thereafter. I look forward to receiving your ballot. The poll listed below can also be found on my website Thanks....Patrick Dempsey Those of you with websites can help 'get out the vote' by posting this ballot. The more scientific this is, the better. Please post this ballot! MY NOTES: My name is Patrick Dempsey and I will be doing the Steel Poll this year. This poll is not being run by Mitch Hawker, but it uses the same type of ballot, same way of finding the results and same overall format. For those of you that are wondering, yes Mitch Hawker is letting me use the same format that he designed. If you haven?t voted on the Wooden Coaster Poll, please do so by copying ans pasting the following link: http://www.geocities.com/wcoasterpoll --replace this text with your email address------ COASTER NAME PARK LOC My Favorite Wood Any park Any where ** n n 0 Desert Storm Castles & Coasters AZ n n 0 Patriot Castles & Coasters AZ n n 0 Twist n Shout Magic Springs AR n n 0 Diamond Mine Run Magic Springs AR n n 0 Quicksilver Mine Coaster Bonfante Gardens CA n n 0 Timber Twister Bonfante Gardens CA n n 0 Tornado Castle Amusement Park CA n n 0 Merlins Revenge Castle Amusement Park CA n n 0 Big Thunder Mountain Railroad Disneyland CA n n 0 Space Mountain Disneyland CA n n 0 Matterhorn Bobsleds Disneyland CA n n 0 Gadgets Go Coaster Disneyland CA n n 0 California Screamin? California Adventures CA n n 0 Mulholland Madness California Adventures CA n n 0 Flying Dragon Funderland CA n n 0 Coaster Funderwoods CA n n 0 Jaguar! Knotts Berry Farm CA n n 0 Boomerang Knotts Berry Farm CA n n 0 Montezooma?s Revenge Knotts Berry Farm CA n n 0 Timberline Twister Knotts Berry Farm CA n n 0 The Dragon Legoland CA n n 0 Spellbreaker Legoland CA n n 0 Lego Technic Coaster Legoland CA n n 0 The Westcoaster Pacific Park CA n n 0 Psycho Mouse PGA CA n n 0 Stealth PGA CA n n 0 Invertigo PGA CA n n 0 Greased Lightnin? PGA CA n n 0 The Demon PGA CA n n 0 Green Slime Mine Car PGA CA n n 0 Vortex PGA CA n n 0 Top Gun PGA CA n n 0 Taxi Jam PGA CA n n 0 Hurricane Santa Cruz Bch Brdwlk CA n n 0 Orient Express Santa Cruz Bch Brdwlk CA n n 0 Sea Serpent Santa Crux Bch Brdwlk CA n n 0 Scandia Screamer Scandia Fun Center CA n n 0 Little Dipper Scandia Fun Center CA n n 0 Goliath SFMM CA n n 0 Canyon Blaster SFMM CA n n 0 Deja Vu SFMM CA n n 0 Goliath Jr. SFMM CA n n 0 Riddlers Revenge SFMM CA n n 0 Batman: The Ride SFMM CA n n 0 Viper SFMM CA n n 0 Flashback SFMM CA n n 0 Gold Rusher SFMM CA n n 0 Ninja SFMM CA n n 0 Revolution SFMM CA n n 0 Medusa SFMW CA n n 0 Vertical Velocity SFMW CA n n 0 Kong SFMW CA n n 0 Boomerang SFMW CA n n 0 Cobra SFMW CA n n 0 Road Runner Express SFMW CA n n 0 Kiddie Coaster Tahoe Family Zone CA n n 0 Wild Chipmunk Lakeside Park CO n n 0 Dragon Lakeside Park CO n n 0 Candy Cane Coaster Santa?s Workshop CO n n 0 Boomerang SFEG CO n n 0 Mind Eraser SFEG CO n n 0 Sidewinder SFEG CO n n 0 Zoomerang Lake Compounce CT n n 0 Kiddie Coaster Lake Compounce CT n n 0 Monster Mouse Quassy Amsmnt Prk CT n n 0 Kumba BGT FL n n 0 Montu BGT FL n n 0 Python BGT FL n n 0 Scorpion BGT FL n n 0 Windstorm Old Town FL n n 0 Kraken SeaWorld FL n n 0 Journey to Atlantis SeaWorld FL n n 0 Woody Woodpeckers Coaster Universal Studios FL n n 0 Dueling Dragons-FIRE IOA FL n n 0 Dueling Dragons-ICE IOA FL n n 0 Hulk Coaster IOA FL n n 0 Flying Unicorn IOA FL n n 0 Pteradon Flyers IOA FL n n 0 Big Thunder Mountain Railroad DisneyWorld FL n n 0 Space Mountain DisneyWorld FL n n 0 Rock n Roller Coaster DisneyWorld FL n n 0 Buffalo Coaster American Adventures GA n n 0 Wacky Worm Lake Winnie GA n n 0 Wild Thing Lake Winnie GA n n 0 Deja Vu SFOG GA n n 0 Georgia Scorcher SFOG GA n n 0 Batman: The Ride SFOG GA n n 0 Dahlonega Mine Train SFOG GA n n 0 Viper SFOG GA n n 0 Ninja SFOG GA n n 0 MindBender SFOG GA n n 0 Hangman Wild Adventures GA n n 0 Boomerang Wild Adventures GA n n 0 Tiger Terror Wild Adventures GA n n 0 Gold Rush Coaster Wild Adventures GA n n 0 Bug Out Wild Adventures GA n n 0 Ant Farm Express Wild Adventures GA n n 0 The Gravity Defying Corkscrew Silverwood ID n n 0 Typhoon Santas Village IL n n 0 Dracor Dragon Coaster Santas Village IL n n 0 Raging Bull SFGA IL n n 0 Batman: The Ride SFGA IL n n 0 Demon SFGA IL n n 0 Iron Wolf SFGA IL n n 0 Shock Wave SFGA IL n n 0 Whizzer SFGA IL n n 0 Spacely?s Sprocket Rocket SFGA IL n n 0 Vertical Velocity SFGA IL n n 0 Deja Vu SFGA IL n n 0 The Howler Holiday World IN n n 0 Tiger Indiana Beach IN n n 0 Galaxy Indiana Beach IN n n 0 Kombo Indiamapolis Zoo IN n n 0 Dragon Adventureland IA n n 0 Galaxy Adventureland IA n n 0 Flying Dragon Beech Bend Rcwy Prk KY n n 0 Chang SFKK KY n n 0 T2 SFKK KY n n 0 Roller Skater SFKK KY n n 0 Road Runner Express SFKK KY n n 0 Ragin? Cajun Dixie Landing LA n n 0 Galaxi Dixie Landing LA n n 0 Zydeco Scream Jazzland LA n n 0 Muskrat Scrambler Jazzland LA n n 0 Rex?s Rail Runner Jazzland LA n n 0 Galaxi Funtown USA ME n n 0 The Galaxi Palace Playland ME n n 0 Wildcat Jolly Roger MD n n 0 Kiddie Coaster Jolly Roger MD n n 0 Looping Star Ocean City Pier Rides MD n n 0 Batwing SFA MD n n 0 Superman Ride of Steel SFA MD n n 0 Jokers Jinx SFA MD n n 0 Two Face-The Flip Side SFA MD n n 0 Mind Eraser SFA MD n n 0 The Great Chase SFA MD n n 0 Tidal Wave Trimpers MD n n 0 Toboggan Trimpers MD n n 0 Superman Ride of Steel SFNE MA n n 0 Flashback SFNE MA n n 0 Poison Ivy?s Twisted Train SFNE MA n n 0 Mind Eraser SFNE MA n n 0 The Great Chase Kiddie Coaster SFNE MA n n 0 Corkscrew Michigans Adventure MI n n 0 Mad Mouse Michigans Adventure MI n n 0 Big Dipper Michigans Adventure MI n n 0 Ripsaw Roller Coaster Knotts Camp Smoopy MN n n 0 Lil? Shaver Knotts Camp Snoopy MN n n 0 The Wild Thing Valleyfair MN n n 0 Excalibur Valleyfair MN n n 0 Corkscrew Valleyfair MN n n 0 Mad Mouse Valleyfair MN n n 0 Mild Thing Valleyfair MN n n 0 Firestorm Branson USA MO n n 0 Zyklon Branson USA MO n n 0 Dragon Wagon Branson USA MO n n 0 Wild Fire Silver Dollar City MO n n 0 Buzzsaw Falls Silver Dollar City MO n n 0 Thunderation Silver Dollar City MO n n 0 Runaway Ore Cart Silver Dollar City MO n n 0 Mr. Freeze SFSL MO n n 0 Batman: The Ride SFSL MO n n 0 River King Mine Ride SFSL MO n n 0 Ninja SFSL MO n n 0 Acme Gravity Powered Roller RideSFSL MO n n 0 Boomerang Worlds of Fun MO n n 0 Orient Express Worlds of Fun MO n n 0 Wacky Worm Worlds of Fun MO n n 0 Mamba Worlds of Fun MO n n 0 Canyon Blaster The Adventure Dome NV n n 0 Desperado Buffalo Bill?s NV n n 0 Manhattan Express NY NY NV n n 0 Speed: The Ride Sahara Hotel NV n n 0 High Roller Stratosphere Tower NV n n 0 Canobie Corkscrew Canobie Lake Park NH n n 0 Galaxi Canobie Lake Park NH n n 0 Rudy?s Rapid Transit Santa?s Village NH n n 0 Polar Coaster Story Land NH n n 0 Wild Mouse Casino Pier NJ n n 0 Wizards Cavern Casino Pier NJ n n 0 Jet Star Casino Pier NJ n n 0 Roller Coast Loop Fun Town Pier NJ n n 0 Flitzer Jenkinsons NJ n n 0 Wild Mouse Playland Park NJ n n 0 Fltzer Playland Park NJ n n 0 Sea Serpant Playland Park NJ n n 0 Python Playland Park NJ n n 0 City Jet Wonderland Pier NJ n n 0 Flying Dragon Bowcraft Amsmnt Prk NJ n n 0 Wild Cat Keansburg NJ n n 0 Sea Serpant Keansburg NJ n n 0 RC-48 Moreys Piers NJ n n 0 Great Nor?easter Moreys Piers NJ n n 0 DoWopper Moreys Piers NJ n n 0 Flitzer Moreys Piers NJ n n 0 Sea Serpant Moreys Piers NJ n n 0 Zyklon Moreys Piers NJ n n 0 Nitro SFGAd NJ n n 0 Medusa SFGAd NJ n n 0 The CHiller-Batman SFGAd NJ n n 0 The CHiller-Robin SFGAd NJ n n 0 Batman: The Ride SFGAd NJ n n 0 Great American Scream Machine SFGAd NJ n n 0 Viper SFGAd NJ n n 0 Skull Mountain SFGAd NJ n n 0 Runaway Mine Train SFGAd NJ n n 0 Blackbeards Lost Treasure Train SFGAd NJ n n 0 Road Runner Railway SFGAd NJ n n 0 Crazy Mouse Steel Pier NJ n n 0 Little Leaper Steel Pier NJ n n 0 Galaxi Cliff?s Amsmnt Prk NM n n 0 Hurricane Adventureland NY n n 0 Jumbo Jet Coney Island NY n n 0 Steamin Demon Great Escape NY n n 0 Coast-to-Coaster Great Escape NY n n 0 Alpine Bobsled Great Escape NY n n 0 Nightmare at Crack Axle Canyon Great Escape NY n n 0 Lil Whipper Snapper Hoffmans Playland NY n n 0 Wildcat Martins Fantasy Island NY n n 0 Dragon Coaster Midway Park NY n n 0 Hurricane Playland Park NY n n 0 Quantom Loop Seabreeze NY n n 0 Bobsleds Seabreeze NY n n 0 Bear Trax Seabreeze NY n n 0 Superman Ride of Steel SFDL NY n n 0 Coast-to-Coaster SFDL NY n n 0 Mind Eraser SFDL NY n n 0 Viper SFDL NY n n 0 Galaxi Sylvan Beach NY n n 0 Red Devil Ghost Town in the Sky NC n n 0 Little Dipper Jubilee Park NC n n 0 FLying Super Saturator Carowinds NC n n 0 Top GUn Carowinds NC n n 0 Taxi Jam Carowinds NC n n 0 Carolina Goldrusher Carowinds NC n n 0 Carolina Cyclone Carowinds NC n n 0 Vortex Carowinds NC n n 0 Rudicoaster Santa?s Land NC n n 0 Hydra Fighter II Emerald Pointe NC n n 0 Millenium Force Cedar Point OH n n 0 Mantis Cedar Point OH n n 0 Raptor Cedar Point OH n n 0 Corkscrew Cedar Point OH n n 0 Disaster Transport Cedar Point OH n n 0 Cedar Creek Mine Ride Cedar Point OH n n 0 Iron Dragon Cedar Point OH n n 0 Gemini Cedar Point OH n n 0 Magnum XL200 Cedar Point OH n n 0 Jr. Gemini Cedar Point OH n n 0 Wildcat Cedar Point OH n n 0 Woodstock Express Cedar Point OH n n 0 Little Dipper Memphis Kiddie Park OH n n 0 Runaway Raptor PKI OH n n 0 Face/Off PKI OH n n 0 King Cobra PKI OH n n 0 Vortex PKI OH n n 0 Adventure Express Mine Train PKi OH n n 0 Scoobys Ghoster Coaster PKI OH n n 0 Top Gun PKI OH n n 0 Flight of Fear PKI OH n n 0 Taxi Jam PKI OH n n 0 X-FLIGHT SFWOA OH n n 0 Serial Thriller SFWOA OH n n 0 Double Loop SFWOA OH n n 0 Mind Eraser SFWOA OH n n 0 Road Runner Express SFWOA OH n n 0 Batman Knight Flight SFWOA OH n n 0 Superman Ultimate Escape SFWOA OH n n 0 Silver Bullet Frontier City OK n n 0 Diamond Back Frontier City OK n n 0 Nightmare Frontier City OK n n 0 WildKitty Frontier City OK n n 0 Ice Mountain Bobsled Enchanted Forest OR n n 0 Looping Thunder Oaks Park OR n n 0 Zoom Coaster Oaks Park OR n n 0 Ripper ThrillVille USA OR n n 0 Zyklon DelGrosso?s PA n n 0 Talon Dorney PA n n 0 Steel Force Dorney PA n n 0 Lazer Dorney PA n n 0 Little Lazer Dorney PA n n 0 Dragon Dorney PA n n 0 Wild Mouse Dorney PA n n 0 Woodstock Express Dorney PA n n 0 The Joust Dutch Wonderland PA n n 0 Great Bear Hersheypark PA n n 0 Wild Mouse Hersheypark PA n n 0 Sidewinder Hersheypark PA n n 0 Sooperdooperlooper Hersheypark PA n n 0 Trailblazer Hersheypark PA n n 0 Wild Mouse Idlewild Park PA n n 0 Exterminator Kennywood PA n n 0 Little Phantom Kennywood PA n n 0 Phantoms Revenge Kennywood PA n n 0 High Speed Thrill Coaster Knoebels PA n n 0 Whirlwind Knoebels PA n n 0 Mad Mouse Lakemont PA n n 0 Little Leaper Lakemont PA n n 0 Toboggan Lakemont PA n n 0 Vapor Trail Sesame Place PA n n 0 Ravine Flyer 3 Waldameer PA n n 0 Wildcat Williams Grove PA n n 0 Roller COaster Enchanted FOrest RI n n 0 Crazy Mouse Grnd Prx Fmly Thrll Prk SC n n 0 Wacky Worm Grnd Prx Fmly Thrll PrkSC n n 0 Mad Mouse MB Pavilion SC n n 0 Lil Eagle MB Pavilion SC n n 0 Pedros Mouse Pedroland SC n n 0 Tennessee Tornado Dollywood TN n n 0 Revolution Libertyland TN n n 0 Mad Mouse Joyland TX n n 0 Galaxi Joyland TX n n 0 Little Coaster Joyland TX n n 0 Steel Eel SeaWorld TX n n 0 The Great White SeaWorld TX n n 0 Texas Tornado SFAW TX n n 0 Serial Thriller SFAW TX n n 0 Batman: The Escape SFAW TX n n 0 Mayan Mindbender SFAW TX n n 0 Greezed Lightnin SFAW TX n n 0 Serpent SFAW TX n n 0 Viper SFAW TX n n 0 XLR-8 SFAW TX n n 0 Ultra Twister SFAW TX n n 0 Superman Krypton Coaster SFFT TX n n 0 Poltergeist SFFT TX n n 0 Boomerang SFFT TX n n 0 RoadRunner Express SFFT TX n n 0 Jokers Revenge SFFT TX n n 0 Der Rollschuhcoaster SFFT TX n n 0 Titan SFOT TX n n 0 Wile E. Coyotes Canyon Blaster SFOT TX n n 0 Batman: The Ride SFOT TX n n 0 Mr. Freeze SFOT TX n n 0 Runaway Mountain SFOT TX n n 0 Flashback SFOT TX n n 0 Shock Wave SFOT TX n n 0 Mine Train SFOT TX n n 0 Mini Mine Train SFOT TX n n 0 La Vibora SFOT TX n n 0 Zyklon Western Playland TX n n 0 Texas Tornado Wonderland Park TX n n 0 Big Coaster Wonderland Park TX n n 0 Cyclone Wonderland Park TX n n 0 Wild Mouse Lagoon Park UT n n 0 Fire Dragon Lagoon Park UT n n 0 Jet Star II Lagoon Park UT n n 0 Puff Lagoon Park UT n n 0 Orient Express Utah Fun Dome UT n n 0 Alpengeist BGW VA n n 0 Apollo?s Chariot BGW VA n n 0 Big Bad Wolf BGW VA n n 0 Loch Ness Monster BGW VA n n 0 Wilde Maus BGW VA n n 0 Hypersonic XLC PKD VA n n 0 Volcano PKD VA n n 0 Shockwave PKD VA n n 0 Anaconda PKD VA n n 0 Flight of Fear PKD VA n n 0 Avalanche PKD VA n n 0 Taxi Jam PKD VA n n 0 Crazy Mouse Vrgna Bch Mtr Wrld VA n n 0 Wacky Worm Vrgna Bch Mtr Wrld VA n n 0 Wild THing Enchanted Village WA n n 0 Kiddie Coaster Enchanted Village WA n n 0 Windstorm Fun FOrest WA n n 0 Thunderbolt Express Camden Park WA n n 0 Little Titans Big Cheif Kart & CoasterWI n n 0 The Galaxi Riverview Parks WI n n 0 THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE COASTERS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES. I AM SORRY BUT I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO TYPE UP ANOTHER 700 ROLLER COASTERS. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From thunder1usa1@aol.com Thu Nov 08 15:34:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 23:34:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 47112 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 23:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 23:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 23:34:36 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.f9.124dbb26 (25509) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:34:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:34:02 EST Subject: ROLLERCOASTER TYCOON CD To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 A friend of mine @ work told me about a CD game you can purchase called "Rollercoaster Tycoon". I'm curious if any of you have played this game and found it worth while. Thanks, Joe From regnal@adelphia.net Thu Nov 08 15:39:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 8 Nov 2001 23:39:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 77029 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2001 23:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2001 23:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.40) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2001 23:39:39 -0000 Received: from parents ([24.51.133.82]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GMI9PA00.3RG for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c168ae$7d706280$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ROLLERCOASTER TYCOON CD Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 18:36:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram I have been playing it since it first came out, have the expansion packs and would consider myself addicted. In other words, I love it. MP ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] ROLLERCOASTER TYCOON CD > A friend of mine @ work told me about a CD game you can purchase called > "Rollercoaster Tycoon". I'm curious if any of you have played this game and > found it worth while. > > Thanks, > Joe > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Nov 08 17:55:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 01:55:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 17199 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 01:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 01:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.188) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 01:55:23 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by smtp009pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fA91tRk01940 Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:55:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BEB38CB.C627238@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:00:43 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ROLLERCOASTER TYCOON CD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash thunder1usa1@aol.com wrote: > A friend of mine @ work told me about a CD game you can purchase called > "Rollercoaster Tycoon". I'm curious if any of you have played this game and > found it worth while. > Joe, you haven't heard of Roller Coaster Tycoon? One of the best selling games of all time, and still in the top 10 sellers more than 2 years after it's first release? Or it's add on packs- Corkscrew Follies and Loopy Landscapes? One of the most fun, addicting, family friendly games I've ever seen, that is almost as much fun to watch as to play? Joe, Joe, Joe, what are we going to do with you? :-) Go down to Wal Mart, Best Buy, or whereever immediately, spend the $20 on the first game and another $20 or so on Loopy Landscapes (which will include Corkscrew Follies with it), and be prepared to be completely lost at your computer for the next several days. It is a must for every coaster nut. Great websitees for it include www.tycoonresource.com and http://www.boardman86.freeserve.co.uk/ which will help you play the game and win each scenario without cheating. Go out, get it, and enjoy. You can thank your friend and us later. :-) keep on ridin' George -- __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Fri Nov 09 04:13:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 12:13:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 79817 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 12:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 12:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11607.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.59) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 12:13:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20011109121318.62224.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.18.199.124] by web11607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 04:13:18 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 04:13:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] ROLLERCOASTER TYCOON CD To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3BEB38CB.C627238@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Gustavo Queiroz > Go down to Wal Mart, Best Buy, or whereever > immediately, spend the $20 on the first game and > another $20 or so on Loopy Landscapes > (which will include Corkscrew Follies with it), and > be prepared to be completely lost at your computer > for the next several days. Several days? I've been playing RCT for almost 2 years and I am COMPLETELY CRAZY about this game. I'm done with all its scenarios and I am replaying them all now or playing with new parks I am downloading on the internet... Do what George advises you: get your copy ASAP. Another thing... Have you guys checked out the new NO Limits demo? It's a 3-D coaster sim and editor and I am completely amazed with it. Cheers from Rio, Gustavo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Nov 09 10:58:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 18:58:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.128) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 18:58:00 -0000 Received: (cpmta 18314 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 10:57:59 -0800 Date: 9 Nov 2001 10:57:59 -0800 Message-ID: <20011109185759.18313.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Nov 2001 18:57:59 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 09 Nov 2001 10:57:59 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I teach electronic media at a small community college. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Nov 09 11:01:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 19:01:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 12868 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 19:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 19:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.125) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 19:01:58 -0000 Received: (cpmta 11193 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 11:01:57 -0800 Date: 9 Nov 2001 11:01:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20011109190157.11192.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 9 Nov 2001 19:01:57 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 09 Nov 2001 11:01:57 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: X gets technical From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > You need a reasonablely sized test article before > putting people in a full scale version.< This is a given. That Arrow went from a small hunk of test track inside a building to a 200-foot finished product was either an act of naivety or desperation (or both). You gave a good overview of the structural problems, Tim. I think the idea can work, and your hint of what B&M would do is a good question. I bet you the track and wheelbase would be a *lot* wider. It could be that B&M *has* thought of this be jettisoned the idea as unworkable (at a reasonable cost). Jay From CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org Fri Nov 09 11:11:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 19:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 28694 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 19:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 19:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns-crcs.crcs.wnyric.org) (168.169.174.83) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 19:11:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.6a January 17, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:02:50 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ns-crcs/Servers/CubaRushford/Erie1(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 11/09/2001 02:02:50 PM, Serialize complete at 11/09/2001 02:02:50 PM From: CFILKINS@crcs.wnyric.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I teach Physics and Chemistry at a small public high school. Chris Filkins Cuba-Rushford Physics/Chemistry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coaster310@aol.com Fri Nov 09 12:24:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Coaster310@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 20:24:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 81288 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 20:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 20:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 20:24:47 -0000 Received: from Coaster310@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.171.3a5c36a (3852) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:24:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <171.3a5c36a.291d958c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:24:44 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk]Mini-POLL : What's your occupation? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: coaster310@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: vortex42080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what's everyone's occupation? We all know Tim (the poor engineering >student)'s occupation, but what about everyone else? >I've noticed that most of us coaster enthusiasts are in computer-related >professions (other than chatting..:) ) \ well for the past 3 season's I've worked as a ride op at Paramount's Kings Island, but all that has came to an end as of November 4th 2001. I will not be returning to PKI next season. But now I hold a job in retail at Target. And I'm planning on returning to School in the winter of 2001, 2002. So that's it for me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jrushi5@lsu.edu Fri Nov 09 12:50:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 20:50:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 85771 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 20:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 20:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.184.129) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 20:50:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Cedar Point ride Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:50:53 -0600 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 11/09/2001 02:50:51 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" X-Yahoo-Profile: thrillriderj Does ne one know when CP will announce there new ride? I look at some of the pics of the footers and it looked like the layout for an Intamin impulse. How is Cedar Point going to make it much different than the others? How can an impulse be over 300 feet tall? Thanx, Joshua Rushing From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Fri Nov 09 13:47:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 21:47:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 3926 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 21:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 21:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apollo.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.8) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 21:47:24 -0000 Received: by apollo.thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:49:49 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Coaster-Talk (E-mail)" Subject: Re: ROLLERCOASTER TYCOON CD Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:49:48 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Carrier, Michael" X-Yahoo-Profile: blue_eyed_tx_guy > A friend of mine @ work told me about a CD game you can purchase called > "Rollercoaster Tycoon". I'm curious if any of you have played this game and > found it worth while.< WARNING: If you purchase Rollercoaster Tycoon, there is a 30% chance you will never leave your house again! :) In other words - yes, it is DEFINITELY worth getting! Mike (who has "lost" around 20 hours in the past week building a park that's still FAR from finished!) From STINO999@aol.com Fri Nov 09 14:56:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTAlk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 22:56:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 80569 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 22:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 22:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 22:56:23 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.e6.1dff11c0 (2171) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:56:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:56:19 EST Subject: No Limits To: RollerCoasterTAlk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: STINO999@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: stino999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to work the editor. I downloaded the demo and its amazing but it would be better if I knew how to make a park. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From STINO999@aol.com Fri Nov 09 15:33:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 9 Nov 2001 23:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 26828 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2001 23:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2001 23:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2001 23:33:08 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.29.1d7ced07 (2171) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:33:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <29.1d7ced07.291dc1af@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:33:03 EST Subject: Orlando TR To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: STINO999@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: stino999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scale 1-5 five being the best Magic Kingdom The Magic Kingdom is a park of fun and fantasy. When your here you feel and act like a kid. No matter who you are you can't say this park is cheesy or corny because it is unbelievable. It exceeded all my expectations and is a must do for any vacationer. On thing I have to say is that pitchers don't do Cinderella's Castle justice. Splash Mountain- 5 Big Thunder Mountain- 4 Space Mountain- 5 Pirates of the Caribbean- 4 Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin- 5 Alien Encounter- 5 Haunted Mansion- 3 MGM The Disney Studios is a fun fantastic park. Although it misses the charm of the Magic Kingdom but it makes up for it with its "thrill" rides. Tower of Terror is a very fun ride and is the best thing at Disney World. It is unbelievable themed, the drops are good, and the bell hoppers are creepy or cool whichever way you want to look at it. Although RRC was a let down (because it wasn't intense at all and it was way to hyped up) but it was still a very fun ride with the theming, launch into a loop, and the music. This is also were the giant Mickey hat is. RRC- 5 ToT- 5 Star Tours- 4 Who wants to be a millionaire, play it- 5 Disney Tribute (not sure if that's the name)- 3 Muppet Vision 3D- 5 Epcot I was only here for the last half an hour of the day. Got to go on Test Track 5 times! Test Track- 5 Universal Studios Three words... Waste of time! There were only 2 really good rides and 1 OK one. MIB- 4 Back to the Future- 5 Terminator 2 3D- 5 IOA Drum role please....... This is the greatest park ever made!!!! Its got the themed lands, it's got the thrills, and it has the imagination. Starting at Marvel Super Hero Island my family was amazed how it looked. I dashed towards Spiderman and my and my dad got on twice! No wait! Spiderman was amazing and was an incredible new experience. Next I went to the Hulk (it was a let down! it wasn't intense at all :( ) I rode it 3 times. There was no lines in the place. Next I went to Toon Lagoon were I rode Dudly Do Right Ripsaw Falls. It was increadable. The theme wasn't as good as Spash Mountain but the fall made up for it. It was cold so I didn't go on Popie. Next up Jarrasic Park. Very well themed and a fun land. Only thing is that there wasn't enough thrill rides. JP River Adventure was cool but wasn't very long thats my only complant. After riding JPRA I played in Camp Jarrasic with my younger brother were he cut open his head. Once my parents found out about this we ran to the first aid in Lost Continant (pass Dueling Dragons). My brother was ok so my mom went to Suess landing with my little brother and sister while me and my dad went on Dueling Dragons. Fire= Best inverted coaster ive been on. Ice= good coaster and thats all I have to say about that! After DD I went to suess landings were I was pleasently shocked at how nice it was there. After One fish two fish redfish blue fish and cat in the hat I went on all the thrill rides again!! DD: Fire- 5 (best ride in florida) Ice- 5 (bumply and rickedy during the Boomerang) Hulk- 5 DDRF- 5 (better then Splash Mountain) Spiderman- 5 JPRA- 4 Posidens Fury- 4 One fish two fish red fish blue fish- 4 (better then dumbo) Cat in the hat- 4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Nov 09 16:39:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 00:39:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 39025 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 00:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 00:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 00:39:43 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.bf.16a8cfc7 (3975) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:39:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:39:33 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] No Limits To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk you just gotta go at it, my friend. There's no explaining the editor, but I know it's hard as...well...it's hard. You'll get it in due time, my friend..And when you do, you will realize the most AWESOME coaster simulator you have EVER uised. Josh From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Nov 09 18:43:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 02:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 73601 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 02:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 02:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20405.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.124) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 02:43:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20011110024313.20544.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.153.197.245] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:43:13 PST Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: MISC: Book Reivew- Scary Dark Rides To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Title: Scary Dark Rides Author: Doug Higley Pages: 77 Of all the amusement park books I have read this is the hardest to review. Between the fact that Doug Higley’s book does not fit into any neat category of writing and my largest criticism of the book is covered in the author’s notes, it made me wonder what I should write. Well, the easiest place to begin is the back of the book. Turning there we get to see a photo of the man who will usher us into the world of dark rides. No, it is not a professional glossy. Instead, the photo was taken at the Knott’s Berry Farm photo machine and showed a man with a midway smile. This picture set the tone for Higley’s adventure into the unknown. The first thing readers notice is that this book is not the work of corporate printing. A gold ribbon binds it, the pages are photocopied from the original typewriter text and the page numbers were hand-drawn in. All of these features add to the fact that Scary Dark Rides is a one-of-a-kind book. After a forward by Bobby Reynolds (the self-proclaimed “World’s Greatest Showman”) we delve into the hodge-podge of facts that came out as quickly as if Doug were speaking to us. He began by talking about his experiences at Coney Island as a kid, the concept of “scary,” the similarities between dark rides & the B-movies of the fifties and his philosophy behind the book. Higley said, “It is not the complete history nor the end-all encyclopedia of such rides, that will be left to the more diligent and scholarly than I.” This was sad for me to hear, as I am a sucker for detail no one else seems to care about (perhaps this is why Judith Adams’ book appealed to me so much). But, this does not mean Higley has nothing to offer his readers, only that we need to be prepared for a non-linear history of the dark ride. Along the way Higley went on some tangents, but many, such as, “¢I WAS A TEENAGE WEREWOLF’ led directly to twelve year olds with credit cards and don’t let anybody tell you otherwise!” were quite funny. After walking down memory lane we were led on a completely different track, the present day. Here Higley talked about what Disney and Universal have to offer and how they connect back to the dark rides of old. Interlaced with this section are many photos of different current attractions like Knott’s “Kingdom of the Dinosaurs,” Six Flags over Texas’ “Yosemite Sam and the Gold River Adventure” and Wildwood’s “Escape From Dino Beach.” On page 45 we get what I have waited for, a mini-history lesson in the dark ride- both portable (with mentions of Ray Cammack Shows & Greg Duncan) and permanent (The Pretzel Company). After some great pages on midway slang, a diagram on a traditional midway, and carnival photos we understand a little about what constitutes (or constituted) the traditional carnival setup and operation. Another interesting section entitled “The Artful Dread…” talked about the art of Mark Frierson and Greg Duncan. Here we can put name and work together as several pages showcased the range of characters Ducan was capable of. Higley awards the Knoebels’ dark ride his highest honor, giving the ride the 1st place award in the nation (and I can’t blame him). As we paw deeper into the book we hear a little about Gene Tracy (I am guessing related to Bill Tracy) and his work on the park midways of America. The book ends with some talk about R&R Creative Amusement Designs and Sally Corp; where they will take the concept of the dark ride and how they utilize both old and new technology to achieve things never thought of. In the end Higley’s most powerful statement is a request that we not forget the dark ride while sampling the latest and greatest ride on the midway. Sadly, it is a plea that is seemingly lost on many in both the general public and enthusiasts alike. So, what did I think of Scary Dark Rides? Well, as I said, my biggest complaint was the fact that there was not more history or detailed information in the story. But, as I also said, Doug made no bones about the fact that this was his book, not a historian's. If anything, this book served as a great introduction into several different worlds. Readers receive educations about the carnival & park industries as well as a variety of dark rides. Overall the book was a very enjoyable, and often funny, read that I hope many people take the time to buy (because I have a feeling this is not on your local library’s purchase list). I can only hope that Doug decides to sit down at his typewriter again. The man is certainly a wealth of information and, although there are not hordes of people looking for details on these rides, there are a few of us that love the classic dark ride and everything associated with them. I just hope that in ten years someone will remember the names of Gene Tracy and Greg Duncan, surely they deserve credit for bringing countless hours of credit to the unknowing masses. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From serpmage@juno.com Fri Nov 09 22:24:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 06:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 54838 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 06:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 06:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 06:24:01 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAJ+kfoVOLISafZ9CGJyfy+s49eteMgvgfw=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GKU5UQRU; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:23:22 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:54:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hypersonic Capacity Message-ID: <20011110.012202.-324485.1.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13,18-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > Having been on (and waited in line for) Hypersonic, I have to say I > can't > see them turning a train over in 22 seconds. The restraints are > different > from anything else I"ve ever ridden and they are difficult to get in > and out > of. There is a seat belt and then the lap/shin bar restraint which > takes a > few seconds to get into properly. Allowing for the time to check > the > restraints, I can't fathom this being done in 22 seconds, plus when > I timed > the ride it was 37 seconds from launch to final brakes. At Kraken and any sitdown B&M coaster, a 32 passenger train with seatbelts on every seat can be unloaded, loaded, and dispatched with a 4 man crew in 45 seconds. An 8 passenger train can easily be cycled through the station in 30 seconds, I don't care how insane the restraints are. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 05:17:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 13:17:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1301 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 13:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 13:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20604.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.162) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 13:17:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20011110131756.82636.qmail@web20604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.82.227] by web20604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:17:56 PST Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:17:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Book Reivew- Scary Dark Rides To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011110024313.20544.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- Adam Sandy wrote: Overall the book > was > a very enjoyable, and often funny, read that I hope > many people take the time to buy (because I have a > feeling this is not on your local library’s purchase > list). I have a feeling that it *might* (vast understatemnt) be in my local library =] lata, jeremy --who notes that the Library of Congress is about 10 min from his house :lol... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From sammib1898@aol.com Sat Nov 10 08:54:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Sammib1898@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 16:54:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 86616 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from Sammib1898@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.8d.f194afe (4199) for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:54:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8d.f194afe.291eb5d5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:54:45 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Orlando TR To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10505 From: sammib1898@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<<<<>>>>>>> Why!!!!! That's not an excuse the water on Popie is WARM (must be heated)!!!!!!!! You missed out on the best river rapids ride in the Unviverse, this has decend rapids, great theaming, the "slide" is brilliant, and Me Ship The Olive, is great when you get sprayed on by other people, if you go to IOA then you MUST try the water guns and spaying people. As oppossed to Kali River Rapids at the AK, which is basically a Shot-the-Chutes ride with round boats. The rapid parts are Awfull, and Popie has the edge on the theming. Congo River Rapids at BG while not at all as good as Popie, seems to have been improved scince the Fist time i went (1996 i think). They seem to have added some big water jets that now make the boat spin more. Sam 8-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Sat Nov 10 12:04:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 10 Nov 2001 20:04:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 62798 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2001 20:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2001 20:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2001 20:04:13 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.20.1ec7fb8b (18711) for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:04:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20.1ec7fb8b.291ee237@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:04:07 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] No Limits To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your key factors are the views. Figure out which axis will be most important to the next piece and use the best view for the job. Once you've placed the track, examine it from the other views, especially 3-D. I can't stress enough to remember to change the type of track BEFORE you place it. Next, this ain't no tycoon. For most of us the trees and realistic station (with the kick-a** moving turnstiles) are enough, but if you need more just wait until that RCT-3D thing comes out. This program is great because unlike Ultra Coaster 3D, it has realistic physics, realistic environment, realistic trains, variety in way of track, trains, and color, and so much more. Explore every button, drop down menu, option, and so on to get the most out of it. As soon as this thing gains popularity, people are gonna walk out of the bathroom saying "I just took an 'ultimate ride'". Mark Wilson (who wonders if the moving turn styles in the simulator are hydraulic, and if so, if I push on them.. will they break? Will the ride shut down as a direct result?) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 16:41:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 11 Nov 2001 00:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 55729 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 00:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2001 00:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20407.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.126) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 00:41:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20011111004100.65670.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.156.212.153] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:41:00 PST Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:41:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: MISC: Die Achterbahn hat eine Krone... To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Germany's Silver Star has crowned the lift. For those who do not know, this is the hyper (VERY similar to Nitro) going into Germany's Eurpoa park. http://www.europa-park.de/deut/sites/sonstiges/baustellen/silverstar/pix0911.html Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From dreamwave6@yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 02:48:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave6@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 11 Nov 2001 10:48:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 87784 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 10:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2001 10:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.142) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 10:48:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20011111104832.60899.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.210.15.125] by web20507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:48:32 PST Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:48:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFMM vs. CP- here we go again! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011103001819.1266.qmail@web20602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: dreamwave X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 --- Jeremy Norris wrote: > Bill. I can possibly agree with the "150 mile > radius" > thing. I know 'non-enthusiasts' from Illinois, > Indiana, North Carolina and DC/MD/VA who have all > heard of Ceadr Point, primarily because of the > "America's Roller Coast" thing and that big blue > bastard Millennium Force. And I'm sure there are > many > people in San Diego that frequent SFMM. Well, I live in San Diego and I've been to SFMM about 4 times this year. Andrew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From STINO999@aol.com Sun Nov 11 10:17:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 11 Nov 2001 18:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 40563 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 18:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2001 18:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 18:17:47 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.43.18382bc (3733) for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43.18382bc.29201ac6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:17:42 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Orlando TR To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: STINO999@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: stino999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Why!!!!! That's not an excuse the water on Popie is WARM (must be heated)!!!!!!!! You missed out on the best river rapids ride in the Unviverse, this has decend rapids, great theaming, the "slide" is brilliant, and Me Ship The Olive, is great when you get sprayed on by other people, if you go to IOA then you MUST try the water guns and spaying people. As oppossed to Kali River Rapids at the AK, which is basically a Shot-the-Chutes ride with round boats. The rapid parts are Awfull, and Popie has the edge on the theming. Congo River Rapids at BG while not at all as good as Popie, seems to have been improved scince the Fist time i went (1996 i think). They seem to have added some big water jets that now make the boat spin more. << I know its amazing but it was 50 degrees out [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From IOASpiderman@aol.com Sun Nov 11 15:59:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 11 Nov 2001 23:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 50945 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2001 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 23:59:15 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.49.13c0238a (3862) for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:59:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49.13c0238a.29206aca@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:59:06 EST Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Intense Concepts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman Hey guys... I just got my new site (or at least some of it) up and running. The adress is: http://www.geocities.com/intenseconcepts2001 As of now, the only stuff up is one of my drawings and then a Hypersonic XLC video. Expect a lot more to come within the next couple of weeks though... Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com Sun Nov 11 19:16:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 12 Nov 2001 03:16:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 19866 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 03:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Nov 2001 03:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2001 03:16:48 -0000 Received: from CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.a0.1d332a18 (17379) for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:16:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:16:43 EST Subject: Stratosphere Rollercoaster To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterkinglvnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone the proposed coaster for the Stratosphere Tower was scraped for now. The ride may have some design changes to better suite the people of the surrounding neighborhoods. Mabye later on the ride may become reality... we hope. well thats all for now John (The Las Vegas Freak) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Nov 12 16:39:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 00:39:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 16512 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 00:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 00:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.118) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 00:39:06 -0000 Received: (cpmta 17824 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 16:39:06 -0800 Date: 12 Nov 2001 16:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20011113003906.17823.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Nov 2001 00:39:06 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 12 Nov 2001 16:39:06 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: No Limits, RCT, etc... From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I highly recommend the new No Limits demo (version 0.9). The editor isn't all that complex. It's certainly unusual, and a little clunky. You have to keep shifting your viewpoints to see how the track is going together. It took me about an hour to figure it out, but it's quite versatile. I just wish someone would make a good *wood* coaster simulator. But until then, No Limits is certainly the best simulator available, with Ultra Coaster running a close second. I like Ultra Coaster's design interface much more. It's more simple and intuitive and accomplishes the same thing. It also doesn't carry the hefty hardware requirements that No Limits does. It's interesting to see the bugs that were fixed in this No Limits release. I have the original demo, where you could fly off, soaring past the coaster and keep going until it vanished into a speck behind you. Then your universe would collapse and begin turning into a psychedelic collections of multicolored polygons. That little bug was actually lots of fun; now you can only go so far before you run into an invisible wall. As for Joe's question, RCT is the most fun I've had with a computer game since Zork. (How many of you remember that one?) I really feel guilty about all the time I've spent playing it. Surely there must have been more constructive things to do with my time.... Then again perhaps not. :-) "This game from Chris Sawyer is really good value!" Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Nov 12 16:44:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 00:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 79476 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 00:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 00:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.118) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 00:44:13 -0000 Received: (cpmta 17977 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 16:44:13 -0800 Date: 12 Nov 2001 16:44:13 -0800 Message-ID: <20011113004413.17976.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Nov 2001 00:44:13 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.201] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 12 Nov 2001 16:44:13 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Digest Number 300 From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Hi Folks. I just wanted to thank everyone for the years of great conversation and great information. No, I'm not leaving.... I started with Coaster Talk about four years ago, and I just received the 300th digest since we've moved to Yahoo. 8-D I'm really glad that this group is continuing to provide stimulating discussion. Jay From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Nov 12 17:47:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 01:47:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 28620 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 01:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 01:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 01:47:13 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.f6.122c0eea (4553) for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:47:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:47:00 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: No Limits, RCT, etc... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/12/01 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay@karenandjay.com writes: > But until then, No Limits is certainly the best simulator available, with > Ultra Coaster running a close second. I like Ultra Coaster's design > interface much more. The trackwork isn't quite as smooth as it should be in UC3D, though. If you REALLY want a game with the same interface, and a possible WOOD coaster option, go to http://www.screammachinesgame.com and check it out. -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 20:12:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 13 Nov 2001 04:12:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 57737 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2001 04:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2001 04:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20401.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.120) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2001 04:12:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20011113041214.33447.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.172.148.105] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:12:14 PST Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:12:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Get ready to fly To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The latest pics of the 2002 ride at SFOG are up at: http://www.sendpix.com/albums/011112/1434170000011f64ea3def5ead653c/ Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Nov 13 20:46:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 04:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 65169 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 04:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 04:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 04:46:37 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/fTHfeNcTxepe7ztRD1z15bVIxSlf5+fD"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GK69VPXX; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:46:13 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:44:18 -0600 Subject: NEWS: Indiana Beach to receive another CCI Message-ID: <20011113.224420.-377373.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-10 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I found this in the Coasterbuzz forums (more specifically, http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=15634 ). One post linked to a scan of the "Custom Coaster Informer" with is, apparantly, CCI's newsletter. Here's the link; take a look at the top right "article": http://members.aol.com/magnumxl200cp/ib.jpg So much for the rumored Wild Mouse that was supposed to replace Superstition Mountain. -Nate (who wonders why the heck the list was so darned quiet today) coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From jrushi5@lsu.edu Tue Nov 13 21:40:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jrushi5@lsu.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 05:40:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 2962 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 05:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 05:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gate003.lsu.edu) (130.39.184.129) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 05:40:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Intense Concepts Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:40:45 -0600 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gate003.lsu.edu/LSU(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 11/13/2001 11:40:44 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Joshua B Rushing" X-Yahoo-Profile: thrillriderj Hey IOASpiderman, What program did you use to create that rollercoaster the Manic. I would like to know because, i have been to a few other sites like badnitrus that seem to use the same thing. What is the name of it and where can i purchase it? Thanks, Joshua. From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 22:05:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 06:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 61188 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 06:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 06:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.70) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 06:05:30 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:05:30 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:05:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Indiana Beach to receive another CCI Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:05:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 06:05:30.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D522100:01C16CD2] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >-Nate (who wonders why the heck the list was so darned quiet today) I don't know about everyone else, but I was drinking beer and looking at porn all day! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 14 09:49:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 17:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 60901 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 17:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 17:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 17:49:44 -0000 Received: (cpmta 10202 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 09:49:43 -0800 Date: 14 Nov 2001 09:49:43 -0800 Message-ID: <20011114174943.10201.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Nov 2001 17:49:43 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 14 Nov 2001 09:49:43 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Silver Star From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > http://www.europa-park.de/deut/sites/sonstiges/baustellen/silverstar/pix0911.html < Did anyone else but me have problems with this page? It's a mess on my screen, with half-loaded pics obscuring links. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 14 10:03:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 18:03:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 70989 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 18:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 18:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 18:03:02 -0000 Received: (cpmta 10960 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 10:03:00 -0800 Date: 14 Nov 2001 10:03:00 -0800 Message-ID: <20011114180300.10959.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Nov 2001 18:03:00 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 14 Nov 2001 10:03:00 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Stratosphere Rollercoaster From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Hey everyone the proposed coaster for the Stratosphere Tower was scraped for > now. The ride may have some design changes to better suite the people of the > surrounding neighborhoods. Mabye later on the ride may become reality< Well, unfortunately I'm relieved. I don't think this is the time to build something on this scale, especially a brand new concept developed by a company that can't get its last new concept to function. It just doesn't seem like a good idea to send people hurtling earthward in a cage at 110 miles per hour. I'd take a well-designed coaster at 40mph any day of the week. Now if B&M were designing the Stratosphere ride, maybe I'd reconsider.... Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 14 10:03:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 18:03:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 20114 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 18:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 18:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 18:03:18 -0000 Received: (cpmta 10974 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 10:03:17 -0800 Date: 14 Nov 2001 10:03:17 -0800 Message-ID: <20011114180317.10973.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Nov 2001 18:03:17 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 14 Nov 2001 10:03:17 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Stratosphere Rollercoaster From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Hey everyone the proposed coaster for the Stratosphere Tower was scraped for > now. The ride may have some design changes to better suite the people of the > surrounding neighborhoods. Mabye later on the ride may become reality< Well, unfortunately I'm relieved. I don't think this is the time to build something on this scale, especially a brand new concept developed by a company that can't get its last new concept to function. It just doesn't seem like a good idea to send people hurtling earthward in a cage at 110 miles per hour. I'd take a well-designed coaster at 40mph any day of the week. Now if B&M were designing the Stratosphere ride, maybe I'd reconsider.... Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 14 10:35:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 18:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 42661 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 18:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 18:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 18:35:54 -0000 Received: (cpmta 9995 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 10:35:54 -0800 Date: 14 Nov 2001 10:35:53 -0800 Message-ID: <20011114183553.9994.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Nov 2001 18:35:53 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 14 Nov 2001 10:35:53 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: No Limits, RCT, etc... From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > The trackwork isn't quite as smooth as it should be in UC3D, though.< I'm not sure what you mean. I've always had a great time with this simulator, and it looks great on my monitor. Transitions are tricky, but when I learned to use the track builder correctly (manipulating all axes and using long track pieces) I found that I could create any steel coaster design I wanted except for heartline rolls. And the physics seemed to work out fine. If anyone would like to check out some of my designs, I'd be happy to e-mail them. > http://www.screammachinesgame.com < This looks incredible, mainly because of the track import feature and being able to re-form the land. What is it with all these simulator games: the ground is always a tiled pattern that looks more like colored water. It seems like someone should have though of a good fractal algorithm by now that realistically re-creates grass. Jay, who can be really picky From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 14 10:41:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 18:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 57684 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 18:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 18:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 18:41:43 -0000 Received: (cpmta 10273 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 10:41:43 -0800 Date: 14 Nov 2001 10:41:42 -0800 Message-ID: <20011114184142.10272.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Nov 2001 18:41:42 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 14 Nov 2001 10:41:42 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: 6FNE progress From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I wandered over to Six Flags New England (now closed for the season) to get a peek at progress on their new B&M coaster. Not much else has been done. Lots of site digging has left piles of dirt here and there. Track has begun arriving, purple spines and ledgers with blue rails. It looks...well, like B&M track. There was one short section that looked impossibly twisted, as if it had a big kink in the middle of it. It didn't look like the beginning of a heartline spin. I've never seen anything quite like it. Other than that, I couldn't tell from looking at the track what the heck this is going to be. It could be a sit-down, floorless, stand-up, suspended or anything in between. I know this isn't much to report 8-P but that's the way things look right now. We've been having really mild weather so far, so construction should progress smoothly. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 14 10:42:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 18:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 72725 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 18:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 18:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 18:42:34 -0000 Received: (cpmta 10320 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 10:42:34 -0800 Date: 14 Nov 2001 10:42:33 -0800 Message-ID: <20011114184233.10319.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Nov 2001 18:42:33 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 14 Nov 2001 10:42:33 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: 6FNE progress From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I wandered over to Six Flags New England (now closed for the season) to get a peek at progress on their new B&M coaster. Not much else has been done. Lots of site digging has left piles of dirt here and there. Track has begun arriving, purple spines and ledgers with blue rails. It looks...well, like B&M track. There was one short section that looked impossibly twisted, as if it had a big kink in the middle of it. It didn't look like the beginning of a heartline spin. I've never seen anything quite like it. Other than that, I couldn't tell from looking at the track what the heck this is going to be. It could be a sit-down, floorless, stand-up, suspended or anything in between. I know this isn't much to report 8-P but that's the way things look right now. We've been having really mild weather so far, so construction should progress smoothly. Jay From IOASpiderman@aol.com Wed Nov 14 12:06:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 20:06:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 32660 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id r.a.15980f72 (16635) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:05:58 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Intense Concepts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << Hey IOASpiderman, What program did you use to create that rollercoaster the Manic. I would like to know because, i have been to a few other sites like badnitrus that seem to use the same thing. What is the name of it and where can i purchase it? Thanks, Joshua. >> Badnitrus and most of the other sites use a program called 3D Studio Max. However, it is rather expensive (around $3,500). What I do is completely different than them though. I just create one 2-d image, as where they create a 3-d environment that will let them create any number of 2-d shots. To do this, I draw my deisgn on regular paper. I scan it into my computer, where I trace it over with Adobe Illustrator to make it look a little nicer. To create my designs so you can ride them I am now using No Limits. I couldnt do this with The Maniac as you cant create shuttle loops in No Limits, but you will see some of my other designs within the next week that will have a No Limits track with them so you can ride it... Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From mullin17bb@yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 12:22:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mullin17bb@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 20:22:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 52997 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 20:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 20:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20902.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.224) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 20:22:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20011114202236.34757.qmail@web20902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [169.199.168.4] by web20902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:22:36 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:22:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 304 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1005731973.211.73088.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Justin Yates X-Yahoo-Profile: mullin17bb > Hey IOASpiderman, > > What program did you use to create that > rollercoaster the Manic. I would > like to know because, i have been to a few other > sites like badnitrus that > seem to use the same thing. > What is the name of it and where can i purchase it? > > Thanks, > Joshua. Joshua, you didn't ask me, but I can tell you =). The program that BadNitrus uses is called 3D Studio Max. At my high school, you can take a class "AutoCAD" which teaches you how to use it. The program is EXTREMELY expensive, I think near a thousand or two, and I'm not sure where to get it. My friend has a pirated version of Version 2.5 I believe, not sure. In order to understand the program, you either need a friend who knows the program or you need to read a tutorial as it is very Complex. Hope this helps ya! =D -Justin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM Wed Nov 14 14:40:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 22:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 72512 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 22:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 22:40:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 22:40:37 -0000 Received: from DISNEYISLIFE@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.132.4925b7d (4421) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:40:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <132.4925b7d.29244ce0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:40:32 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE progress To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM X-Yahoo-Profile: castmembermagic What SFNE really needs is a good hypercoaster. Go for the best! B&M! Is that possible? NOTHING beats the ejector hangtime of Apollo's Chariot!!!!!!!!!!!! Never been on Millennium Force, though. But it has too many turns. B&M rides have less turns, right? Also, I was wondering, does anyone have a map of SFMM? How could I get one? (--Daniel) From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Nov 14 14:43:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 22:43:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 41801 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 22:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 22:43:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 22:43:40 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23268 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:43:39 -0600 Message-Id: <200111142243.QAA23268@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE progress To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:43:39 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <132.4925b7d.29244ce0@aol.com> from "DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM" at Nov 14, 2001 05:40:32 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > What SFNE really needs is a good hypercoaster. ee-gads, man! Superman: Ride Of Steel isn't good enough for you?! Cameron (when you're tired of S:ROS, you're tired of life) Silver. ;-) -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From thunder1usa1@aol.com Wed Nov 14 14:46:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 14 Nov 2001 22:46:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 82246 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2001 22:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2001 22:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2001 22:46:21 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.47.13f0af8a (2171) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:46:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47.13f0af8a.29244e34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:46:12 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE progress To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2001 5:43:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, DISNEYISLIFE@AOL.COM writes: > What SFNE really needs is a good hypercoaster. Go for the best! B&M! Is > that possible? NOTHING beats the ejector hangtime of Apollo's > Chariot!!!!!!!!!!!! Never been on Millennium Force, though. But it has > too > many turns. B&M rides have less turns, right? Also, I was wondering, does > > anyone have a map of SFMM? How could I get one? (--Daniel) > go to rollercoasterz.com as I'm sure Allen has one on his site. I seem to recall this. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Wed Nov 14 16:43:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 00:43:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 68268 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 00:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 00:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 00:43:29 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.f3.1227c136 (3867) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:43:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:43:18 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE progress To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What SFNE really needs is a good hypercoaster. Go for the best! B&M! Is that possible? NOTHING beats the ejector hangtime of Apollo's Chariot!!!!!!!!!!!! Never been on Millennium Force, though. But it has too many turns. B&M rides have less turns, right? Also, I was wondering, does anyone have a map of SFMM? How could I get one? If I am thinking of the right one (I'm just waking up), it already has an AWESOME hyper with the best air I've had. I didn't think the air on Apollo's Chariot was really that big though, what specific spots we're you referring to? Millenium Force does have good air but only in a few spots. -cut short for time. Mark Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From laxextremist@yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 17:52:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: laxextremist@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 01:52:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 38642 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.160) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 01:52:24 -0000 Received: from logs-te.proxy.aol.com (logs-te.proxy.aol.com [152.163.195.135]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA18951 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (AC9E377C.ipt.aol.com [172.158.55.124]) by logs-te.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id fAF1mAb445356 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:48:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200111150148.fAF1mAb445356@logs-te.proxy.aol.com> X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn release 1.15 (14.Sep.2001) X-URL: http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:47:39 -0600 (Central Standard Time) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: SFDL Organization: personal X-Apparently-From: CoasterFreak126@aol.com From: Frank K X-Yahoo-Profile: laxextremist I was wondering if anyone knows if a new coaster is going to be build for the 2002 season at Six Flags Darien Lake? Also if you have any info you would like to share please send that along (about sfdl)...example would be pictures. I am looking for SFDL material that I could use for the web. --Frank *New Site Comming Soon From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 14 18:07:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 02:07:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14150 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 02:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 02:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 02:07:13 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/NsyLXr7TLZTHjCXw/aNI167iZukp/akp"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GK9J5FGR; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:06:12 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:04:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFDL Message-ID: <20011114.200408.-270387.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-8 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I was wondering if anyone knows if a new coaster is going to be build > for the 2002 season at Six Flags Darien Lake? I am about 99.9% positive that SFDL is not getting a new coaster next year. Early rumors said that the new ride would be a Premier liquid coaster, but I never bought that - I'd say that the newer rumors of a shoot-the-chutes type ride is much more probable. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 14 18:07:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 02:07:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14770 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 02:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 02:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 02:07:39 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/NsyLXr7TLZTHAo4dqLn58p0I43d+v9mU"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GK9J5FFS; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:06:12 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:02:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE progress Message-ID: <20011114.200408.-270387.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-13,16-21,28-40 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > What SFNE really needs is a good hypercoaster. Like others have said, SFNE has Superman: Ride of Steel, which is generally considered to be the best steel coaster in existence. > Go for the best! > B&M! Is > that possible? Of course - why wouldn't it be? > NOTHING beats the ejector hangtime of Apollo's > Chariot!!!!!!!!!!!! B&Ms have ejector air??? Maybe on the first drop, but I know that Raging Bull (and, from what I've heard, both AC and Nitro) only have some decent floating air. > Never been on Millennium Force, though. But it > has too > many turns. Well, if you haven't ridden it, is it fair to say that it can't have the best airtime because there are too many turns? Millennium Force has 4 spots of really, really good airtime - airtime that beats that of any B&M I've ever ridden (Raging Bull's first drop is really close, but the rest of the ride is nowhere near). And forget B&M and Millennium Force - Superman: Ride of Steel (SFDL) has better airtime than both of them combined. > B&M rides have less turns, right? Not always - see Raging Bull. It all depends on what the park asks for. > Also, I was > wondering, does > anyone have a map of SFMM? How could I get one? http://members.tripod.com/heylownine/images/map01.jpg -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From Xcoaster@juno.com Wed Nov 14 18:15:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 02:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 30015 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 02:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 02:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 02:15:29 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWiSvW2ChccE6aufFMO08Xhl+PaaBCz+58A=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GK9KMHHK; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:14:59 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:12:42 -0800 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Danimation Coaster Spotlight Message-ID: <20011114.181243.-1207501.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,7-11 From: Xcoaster@juno.com Hi yall, I entered the coaster spotlight on www.danimation.com My entry is called "The Excavator". It's a high excitement wooden twister with an archeological theme. It's in the forums section, in the spotlight section, under the spotlight submissions. They're doing the voting tonight, and your support would be appreciated. In order to vote you have to be a member of danimation, but it's free to sign up if you want. Also, to open the saved game, you need the Drexler patch, but I can send it to anyone that needs it. Anyways, thanx! Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com PS. X is coming soon... Before 2002.... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 14 18:31:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 02:31:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 40022 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 02:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 02:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 02:31:33 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/1Y9QCc5QQcNsu2MngDExy8sU29kvTadB"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GK9LJ97E; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:31:14 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:29:04 -0600 Subject: MISC: Where's the stopping point? Message-ID: <20011114.202904.-270387.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,8-9,17-19 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Josh and I were talking about this a bit in an IM, and I was wondering how others felt (plus, hopefully this will get people posting again!). Heide Park (Germany) is currently working on plans to build the world's tallest full-circuit steel roller coaster. Height figures seen online have ranged from 393' to 412.5 feet (and 124mph). My question is this: does anybody see a point in this? Is it worth spending all that extra money to go an extra hundred feet? And, if so, where's the stopping point? Personally, I believe that once you pass the point where the roller coaster is "really, really tall" to people, it won't matter if it's 100-feet taller. Is that point 300 feet? I don't know, but I can't imagine this coaster drawing in any more people (or attention) if it were 400' tall or 330' tall. It all seems ridiculous to me to break a height record by that much - do they expect people, when faced with Millennium Force, to say "Gee, that looks small compared to that ride in Germany."?? Anyone else see this as pointless? -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Nov 14 19:06:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 03:06:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 14187 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 03:06:57 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.187]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:05:31 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c16d83$7a1abac0$bbb1220c@lorenzer> Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" To: References: <20011114.202904.-270387.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:13:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate K." > Heide Park (Germany) is currently working on plans to build the world's > tallest full-circuit steel roller coaster. Height figures seen online > have ranged from 393' to 412.5 feet (and 124mph). My question is this: > does anybody see a point in this? Has this coaster been confirmed, or is it still just rumor? If it has been confirmed, who is the designer/builder, and when will it open? Personally, I think this is not a wise decision for Heide Park. When I visited Cedar Point two years ago, I heard many, many people making comments such as, "I don't think I can ride Millenium Force......That coaster just looks way too intense for me." If people are making comments like that in regards to a 310 ft. coaster.....imagine what many people are going to think about riding a 400 ft. coaster. What's the point of spending millions on a coaster that many people will be afraid to ride? --Jon (who still wonders if Nate is going to join me and some others at IOA in January.) From IOASpiderman@aol.com Wed Nov 14 19:21:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 03:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 64473 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 03:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 03:21:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 03:21:26 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.95.136082f1 (17526) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:21:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <95.136082f1.29248eac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:21:16 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << Personally, I believe that once you pass the point where the roller coaster is "really, really tall" to people, it won't matter if it's 100-feet taller. Is that point 300 feet? I don't know, but I can't imagine this coaster drawing in any more people (or attention) if it were 400' tall or 330' tall. It all seems ridiculous to me to break a height record by that much - do they expect people, when faced with Millennium Force, to say "Gee, that looks small compared to that ride in Germany."?? Anyone else see this as pointless? >> IMO, bigger coasters are not necessarily better, especially if its just for the record. I think that instead of going for the biggest or longest, parks should go for the best or the most fun ride, which it seems like the smaller parks are doing a lot more of than the chain parks, like Hershey with Lightning Racer or Indiana Beach with Cornball Express. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From IOASpiderman@aol.com Wed Nov 14 19:29:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 03:29:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 55482 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 03:29:37 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.a1.1e3fe12e (17526) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:29:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:29:32 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE progress To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << B&Ms have ejector air??? Maybe on the first drop, but I know that Raging Bull (and, from what I've heard, both AC and Nitro) only have some decent floating air. >> During the summer at night, I could have sworn that Nitro was giving a little bit of ejector air. However, the last time I rode it (which was during the day about 20 minutes after it opened), it felt extremely slow, and was hardly giving any air. Or it could have just been that the last coaster I rode before Nitro was the S:ROS at SFA, on which i learned what the "get your ass out of the seat now!" ejector air was like. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Nov 14 19:41:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 03:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 71442 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 03:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 03:41:01 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25138 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:41:00 -0600 Message-Id: <200111150341.VAA25138@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:41:00 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <20011114.202904.-270387.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Nov 14, 2001 08:29:04 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > My question is this: does anybody see a point in this? Is it worth > spending all that extra money to go an extra hundred feet? And, if so, > where's the stopping point? WOW .. What an awesome discussion! I have yet to ride MF (and am not dying to, if the truth be known), but all of the coasters which I like the most are NOT terribly tall (they are also mainly wooden .. maybe it's related.) My personal opinion is that height (or even speed) don't necessirily make a coaster great .. (But, hey .. I'm hardly the GP, so maybe I'm not the best to make a comment!) Still, I personally think the height wars are pointless (I'd rather have Demon than Shockwave, Batman insted of Raptor, Viper instead of Mean Streak, etc..) Cam -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 20:28:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 04:28:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 58580 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 04:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 04:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.196) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 04:28:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:28:22 -0800 Received: from 151.205.126.19 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:28:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.205.126.19] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:28:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2001 04:28:22.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5E77E90:01C16D8D] From: "Jeremy Daniels" i feel that they should wait a while to go for the 400 ft. record. look how long it took CP to go from 200 to 300... i mean i know hypers were gettin up into the 260+ ranges... but the 300 foot mark just happened, i think there should be MORE parks to put in Gigas before they go BEYOND... just my opinion and i wish i could travel overseas to ride all of those coasters, or i could just LIE about it and call myself MELVIN. Jeremy D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 20:28:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 04:28:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 51621 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 04:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 04:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.152) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 04:28:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:28:23 -0800 Received: from 151.205.126.19 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:28:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.205.126.19] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:28:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2001 04:28:23.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[F62E99B0:01C16D8D] From: "Jeremy Daniels" i feel that they should wait a while to go for the 400 ft. record. look how long it took CP to go from 200 to 300... i mean i know hypers were gettin up into the 260+ ranges... but the 300 foot mark just happened, i think there should be MORE parks to put in Gigas before they go BEYOND... just my opinion and i wish i could travel overseas to ride all of those coasters, or i could just LIE about it and call myself MELVIN. Jeremy D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Nov 14 20:52:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 04:52:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 90814 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 04:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 04:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 04:52:19 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/KuTrY9Tn3AqEPXd7KIx4ciUZygQHVTOa"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GK9UMDJX; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:52:12 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:50:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Message-ID: <20011114.225003.-270387.4.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,15-19,21-23 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Heide Park (Germany) is currently working on plans to build the > world's > > tallest full-circuit steel roller coaster. Height figures seen > online > > have ranged from 393' to 412.5 feet (and 124mph). My question is > this: > > does anybody see a point in this? > Has this coaster been confirmed, or is it still just rumor? If it > has been > confirmed, who is the designer/builder, and when will it open? It's confirmed, but the actual stats are not - the park has actually announced very little about the ride other than that it will be "close to 400 feet" and will be built by Intamin AG. It'll open for the 2003 season. > (who still wonders if Nate is going to join me and some others at > IOA in January.) I have to get back to you on that (you're personal note) - I'm still working on figuring in a Florida trip at some point. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 21:04:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 05:04:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 97199 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 05:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 05:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.131) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 05:04:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:04:20 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:04:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: 6FNE progress Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:04:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2001 05:04:20.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC09AD70:01C16D92] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >What SFNE really needs is a good hypercoaster. Go for the best! B&M! Is >that possible? NOTHING beats the ejector hangtime of Apollo's >Chariot!!!!!!!!!!!! Never been on Millennium Force, though. But it has >too >many turns. B&M rides have less turns, right? OH MY!!!! Okay, I'm calming down. SFNE has what is regarded as the best hypercoaster in the US! It's my personal #1. EVERYTHING Intamin beats the float of Apollo's Chariot. B&M's Raging Bull has more turns than anything hyper that Intamin has produced in the states. Millennium Force is an amazing ride. It doesn't have that many turns at all! Nobody does hypercoaters like Intamin. NOBODY. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 21:16:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 05:16:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 58883 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 05:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 05:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.80) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 05:16:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:16:25 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 05:16:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:16:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2001 05:16:25.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC40CD80:01C16D94] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Has this coaster been confirmed, or is it still just rumor? If it has been >confirmed, who is the designer/builder, and when will it open? It has been confirmed that the park is interested in building the coaster. There is a layout floating around the net somewhere, I've seen it. It will be built by Intamin. >Personally, I think this is not a wise decision for Heide Park. When I >visited Cedar Point two years ago, I heard many, many people making >comments >such as, "I don't think I can ride Millenium Force......That coaster just >looks way too intense for me." ...yet the coaster still had 3 hour lines and brought Cedar Point even MORE national attention! If a roller coaster draws people just to LOOK and not RIDE, then that's a GOOD thing! To add to the original discussion, I think it's a good that Heide is planning this. Two reasons- 1- If they build a coaster that tall, they can probably keep the bragging right for more than one season. That's valuable marketing for the park. 2- They probably know something we don't. Someone is probably planning something right now that will top Steel Dragon or whatever else is built in the near future. They will wait until said coaster opens then announce the official height. >If people are making comments like that in regards to a 310 ft. >coaster.....imagine what many people are going to think about riding a 400 >ft. coaster. What's the point of spending millions on a coaster that many >people will be afraid to ride? I'm sure that's not even a concern. I don't think that's a logical argument. Sure, some people are going to be scared, but look at all the people who are NOT going to be scared! The park will get all this world-wide attention, people will come, and they will have record attendance and profits. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Nov 15 07:16:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 15:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 44200 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 15:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.126) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 15:16:23 -0000 Received: (cpmta 6016 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 07:16:16 -0800 Date: 15 Nov 2001 07:16:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20011115151616.6015.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Nov 2001 15:16:16 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 15 Nov 2001 07:16:15 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Where's the stopping point? From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > > My question is this: does anybody see a point in this? Is it worth > > spending all that extra money to go an extra hundred feet? And, if so, > > where's the stopping point?<< A friend of mine once commented that the height wars will end when you're riding a coaster where, when you reach the top of the lift hill, the ride attendant tells you over the intercom to pull down your oxygen mask. I really don't see the point in increasing height. The idea IMO would be to dramatically increase the length of the ride. But that usually doesn't happen, probably because of the cost. Plus, how do you keep up the surprise and interest on a ride that's over five minutes? (Remember that almost half of the Beast's 4+ minutes is spent on lift hills.) There's a risk that passengers might not want or physically be able to take really long coaster rides (unless the track is designed for very few G forces of any kind). Additionally, longer rides can reduce throughput. So very high coasters would probably be kept about the same relative length as current coasters. What do the parks gain by building humongously tall rides? Publicity. What does the public get? Excessive speed (which is not necessarily a good thing). I agree with the comment that extremely tall rides can be intimidating for the average guest. Perhaps they could put the station inside a building so that guests couldn't really see the lift until they were on the ride (as with Desperado). As I've said many times, it's not the size that counts. Many of you have delighted in the extreme thrills that Phoenix provides -- and it's a dwarf compared with many modern rides. Cornball Express is another great example. If you have a master designer at the helm, any height can lead to a masterpiece. Often with "mega" rides, the designer's primary concern is burning off a lot of that enormous potential energy safely so that riders don't experience excessive forces. You don't want to experience tight turns or spiked hills at 125 mph! (That's one of the places where Arrow went wrong with Steel Phantom -- you can't head into a small loop at 87 mph.) And speed is all relative. If you're whizzing across a flat area, you can't get a sense of speed because there's nothing to compare it to. You need to have landmarks to put the speed into perspective, and that takes careful planning (as with the relatively slow Big Bad Wolf). So Intamin will build a 400-foot high coaster. So what? Maybe Stengel will get the formula right again and the park will get another SROS, but 200 feet higher. I'm perfectly happy with the masterpiece in my backyard. If I want extreme height, I'll climb the mountains that pepper our area. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Nov 15 07:30:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 15:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 80814 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 15:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 15:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 15:30:46 -0000 Received: (cpmta 2505 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 07:30:45 -0800 Date: 15 Nov 2001 07:30:45 -0800 Message-ID: <20011115153045.2504.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Nov 2001 15:30:45 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 15 Nov 2001 07:30:45 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: Scream Machine From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Just thought I'd chime in with my reaction to Scream Machine. I played around with the demo last night and was a little disappointed. The graphics weren't nearly as smooth or detailed as No Limits. The sound was really buggy--it kept cutting in and out. There were lots of graphics bugs. Has anyone "floated" down underground and looked up? It's a bit claustrophobic because once you're underground it can be difficult to get back up (sort of like being buried alive under a coaster). My mouse tended to jump around a lot. And there were lots of viewpoints that just didn't resolve well. At certain times, I'd turn left or right and the screen would blank out. That said, I think this has a lot of potential. I really like the ability to contour the land. It's amazing to me that the best land recreation I've ever seen in a simulation is still RCT. The land just "feels" right there, even though it's pretty simplistic and cartoony. The land in SM just seems to float there. I like the sky in No Limits better. That lens flare effect is terrific and helps "sell" the idea that it's a real sky. The sky in SM looks like what it is: tiles of clouds. The designer function is okay, but I still say that Ultra Coaster's interface is king. In UC, I can pretty much see what the ride is going to look like in its actual environment as I design it. I don't have to bother with wireframes or grids. If Reactor would come out with different track styles and different trains, they'd rule. They should also add a tunnel feature. And land modification. Yes, I want it *all*! :-) Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Nov 15 07:31:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 15:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 67680 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 15:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 15:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 15:31:07 -0000 Received: (cpmta 2517 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 07:31:07 -0800 Date: 15 Nov 2001 07:31:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20011115153106.2516.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Nov 2001 15:31:06 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 15 Nov 2001 07:31:06 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: Scream Machine From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Just thought I'd chime in with my reaction to Scream Machine. I played around with the demo last night and was a little disappointed. The graphics weren't nearly as smooth or detailed as No Limits. The sound was really buggy--it kept cutting in and out. There were lots of graphics bugs. Has anyone "floated" down underground and looked up? It's a bit claustrophobic because once you're underground it can be difficult to get back up (sort of like being buried alive under a coaster). My mouse tended to jump around a lot. And there were lots of viewpoints that just didn't resolve well. At certain times, I'd turn left or right and the screen would blank out. That said, I think this has a lot of potential. I really like the ability to contour the land. It's amazing to me that the best land recreation I've ever seen in a simulation is still RCT. The land just "feels" right there, even though it's pretty simplistic and cartoony. The land in SM just seems to float there. I like the sky in No Limits better. That lens flare effect is terrific and helps "sell" the idea that it's a real sky. The sky in SM looks like what it is: tiles of clouds. The designer function is okay, but I still say that Ultra Coaster's interface is king. In UC, I can pretty much see what the ride is going to look like in its actual environment as I design it. I don't have to bother with wireframes or grids. If Reactor would come out with different track styles and different trains, they'd rule. They should also add a tunnel feature. And land modification. Yes, I want it *all*! :-) Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 07:42:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 15:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 17136 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 15:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 15:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10905.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.41) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 15:42:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20011115154226.18044.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.35.88.198] by web10905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:42:26 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:42:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: CP vs. Hyde Park... here we go again! To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > And, if so, where's the stopping point? > I don't know, but I can't > imagine this coaster drawing in any more people (or > attention) if it were > 400' tall or 330' tall. It all seems ridiculous to > me to break a height record by that much - Well, this is in Europe, not the US. I doubt that very many people from Europe come to the states to ride coasters other than coaster clubs. And let's be honest, what European planning a trip to the US would ever say "Hey, let's go to Ohio!" ??? This coaster is being built for Europe to enjoy, not the entire world. > do they expect people, when faced with Millennium > Force, to say "Gee, that looks small compared to > that ride in Germany."?? Same thing here... When most Americans plan a trip to Europe it's for more "cultural" things such as museums and stuff. I doubt many americans plan to visit European theme parks when there are so many here that they can go to. No one, other than me, would plan a European coaster trip. In fact I was thinking of taking one next summer. The only exposure most Americans will have to this new coaster is on the discovery channel. And believe me, no one will say that MF looks small. it's a very imtimmidating design 45 deg. lift and 80 deg. drop. I would venture a guess and say that the first drop is taller than it is long, which gives an even greater illusion of height. My opinion is that this coaster should be built. Why not? as long as they can build it so that it's safe to ride. MF is a great ride (my #1) and yes, the hieght of the drop is the main reason. it's height allows it to go almost vertical. But it's not just the drop, as I've said before... it's the way it was designed, as a thrilling speed coaster. SD2000, on the other hand looks pointless. The helixes looks fun, but the ride itself looks only like a taller version of steel force. the "back" part of "out and back" consists of _7_ bunny hops!!!! yeah, thats right... 7!!!! Can you get any more repetitive and un-original? That design of hypercoaster was 11 years old already (Magnum) when SD2000 debuted. So my point in all this rambling... A record breaking coaster can be a good thing if done for the right reasons (MF) or you can take the easy way out and just build a bigger version of a previous generation ride. Either way, you'll get the crowds. I'm sure even fewer Japanese people who ride SD2000 will make it to Ohio than the Europeans who ride this new one. AFLAC!!!! -Brian F. (Who is under a lot less stress now!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 08:04:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 16:04:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2734 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 16:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 16:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20610.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.168) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 16:04:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20011115160412.9697.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.81.154] by web20610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:04:11 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:04:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20011114.202904.-270387.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- "Nate K." wrote: > Anyone else see this as pointless? As far as I'm concerned, you are asking this question 2 years too late. I thought the very same thing about Millennium Force (still do). I recall very vividly a series of conversations with my mom last Jan/Feb. She told me one day that she heard about Millie (though then, to her it was just "some 300ft rollercoaster"). About that time, I had *just* found our old home Wo and heard of Sonny. To me, Millie just sounded like "a bigger Magnum", but Sonny was different because it was(is) a woodie with a freakin loop! (dont see that everyday) Now, add to that the actually ride experience of Millie. Honestly, I couldn't tell we were 105ft higher than Maggie. YES, it felt really tall, but not *relatively* that much taller than the big red (orange) machine. So yes, I *DO* think it's all pointless. I'd love to call up one of my actuarial friends and have them number crunch this, but I'd be willing to bet that business would increase about the same adding that ONE big bastard, or three *well designed and fun* rides for about the same amount of money. Furthermore, those could be *targeted* additions, each playing off a separate demographic. *THAT* sounds like the better business plan to me. Not to mention that MULTIPLE new attractions would thin the lines out and make guests happier! okay, I'm rambling... jeremy *N* (who realizes that he must now qualify himself with an initial __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Thu Nov 15 10:01:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 18:01:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 9143 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 18:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 18:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apollo.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.8) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 18:01:13 -0000 Received: by apollo.thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:03:38 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Coaster-Talk (E-mail)" Subject: Re: MISC: Where's the stopping point? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:03:36 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Carrier, Michael" X-Yahoo-Profile: blue_eyed_tx_guy > > Heide Park (Germany) is currently working on plans to build the > world's > > tallest full-circuit steel roller coaster. Height figures seen > online > > have ranged from 393' to 412.5 feet (and 124mph). My question is > this: > > does anybody see a point in this?< As with all additions in the amusement industry, the point would be publicity and increased gate attendance. Agreed that (1) bigger rides are not necessarily better and (2) it seems odd to go for the height record by that much, but if they could KEEP the bragging rights for a while AND create a classic coaster that people would love to re-ride, it might be worth it. At least they know the best manufacturer. SD2K may look boring, but picture an Intamin with a dozen camelback hills and twice as much airtime as NE's RoS! Thinking back to riding MF, I have to wonder though about traveling at 124 mph. That's a lot of wind! At what point will people need protective eye and ear wear? :) I'm filing this one under the "I'll believe it when I see it being built" category. HP may be planning on it, but financial reality ends up keeping a lot of things from happening. If they are able to do it, I think they should just go ahead and build up to 416, just to shut SFMM up about Superman:TE as well. Mike From IOASpiderman@aol.com Thu Nov 15 12:37:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 20:37:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 72752 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 20:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 20:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 20:37:34 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.127.720ee73 (4463) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:37:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <127.720ee73.29258185@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:37:25 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman << Thinking back to riding MF, I have to wonder though about traveling at 124 mph. That's a lot of wind! At what point will people need protective eye and ear wear? :) >> It's definately a lot of wind, but I think it also depends on the train design and the design of the ride itself. As long as the train is doing something, I dont think it should be that much of a problem for anybody other than the people in the front seat. For example, on S:ROS at SFA- the helixes and the dead sections before and after the bunny hop seem to be taken at around the same speed, but I didnt really notice the wind during the helixes. Meanwhile, on the dead track, my shirt was blowing all over the place. Its the same thing with Steel Force. I dont notice the wind during the rest of the ride that much, but I noticed it gets VERY windy during the rather boring (imo) helix. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From thunder1usa1@aol.com Thu Nov 15 14:32:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: THUNDER1USA1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 22:32:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 8143 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 22:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 22:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 22:32:04 -0000 Received: from THUNDER1USA1@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.d1.f77a113 (2169) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:31:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:31:58 EST Subject: QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: thunder1usa1@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder1usa1 Does anyone know for sure which parks are definitely getting new rides for 2002 since SFI has put the cap on the expenditures for next season? We already know SFOG. Thanks, Joe From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Nov 15 15:10:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 23:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 58685 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 23:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 23:10:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/BWMkV2U1wdPwMOxV55h7lA13xnIigbcl"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GLBTEUYD; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:09:38 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:07:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 Message-ID: <20011115.170702.-370587.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-8,10-11,13-14,16-19,22-23,25-26,29-32,36-43,45-50,52-54 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Does anyone know for sure which parks are definitely getting new > rides for > 2002 since SFI has put the cap on the expenditures for next season? > We > already know SFOG. Here's my "predictions" (much of it is true, much is based on reliable sources, and much is speculation): SFA: The only possibility I see here is SFoG's old Schwarzkopf shuttle loop. If not, then it's an off-year for the park. SFAW: Probably nothing - if they do get anything, it would only be a minor flat ride or something similar. SFDL: Shoot-the chutes ride and possible small addition to the water park (lazy river?) SFEG: Looks like yet another year of nothingness. SFFT: It seems likely that the park may get something small, but I've heard nothing firm. Take a look at Screamscape - Lance cites sources who claim either an Intamin Impulse of Sally dark ride are possible. SFGAdv: Most likely taking a year off to get its unworking rides in working condition (Rolling Thunder, Viper, Evolution, etc) SFGAm: A flat ride or two - a ferris wheel will probably replace Power Dive (looping ship) and a Huss Frisbee would be likely for installation in the park. SFKK: Intamin Impulse, if anything. SFMM: Like SFGAdv, SFMM will probably take the year off to focus on getting its rides in better condition (Collossus, Psyclone, Flashback, etc). A flat ride or two are possible, however, as SFMM is really lacking in this department. SFMW: Nothing. SFNE: B&M floorless SFoG: B&M flyer SFoT: Most likely the park will add nothing this year - if anything, it would be an Intamin gyro drop. SFStL: See SFoT. SFWoA: The wild life side will get orca whales back for 2001. As always, Screamscape is a great source to give you the heads up on what's going on for the upcoming years! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From ViperSFGA@aol.com Thu Nov 15 15:28:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 23:28:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 6161 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 23:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 23:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 23:28:53 -0000 Received: from ViperSFGA@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.82.131ba296 (4069) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:28:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.131ba296.2925a9aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:28:42 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 From: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: vipersfga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/01 11:30:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, djbosshogg@hotmail.com writes: > > i feel that they should wait a while to go for the 400 ft. record. > look how long it took CP to go from 200 to 300... i mean i know hypers were > gettin up into the 260+ ranges... but the 300 foot mark just happened, i > think there should be MORE parks to put in Gigas before they go BEYOND... > That is a good point. But, going back to the earlier argument on how tall is too tall, it really is an issue of demand. Millenium Force has been a huge hit for CP. People like the thrill of knowing that they are going for the max and spitting in its face (so to speak) Who are we to say that parks should not keep reaching for the skies if they feel people are willing to go plunging back down once they have reached it. Also, it is a real attention getter. People, for the most part, don't just want to go on a fairly small ride that is very good. They want biggest, tallest, fastest mother shut yo mouth out there. Of course, their will be a point when people say enough is enough. Then they won't really be able to tell the difference between the drops because they will all be so tall. I would guess that that will be somewhere in the 6-7 hundreds (dear god!!!!) and I intend to be around to ride that ride. To the future!!! Kyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mrkwilson@aol.com Thu Nov 15 15:50:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 15 Nov 2001 23:50:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24613 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2001 23:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2001 23:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2001 23:50:11 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.139.4a6c9f9 (4553) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:50:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <139.4a6c9f9.2925aeaf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:50:07 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SFMM: Like SFGAdv, SFMM will probably take the year off to focus on getting its rides in better condition (Collossus, Psyclone, Flashback, etc). A flat ride or two are possible, however, as SFMM is really That, along with an impulse. They're getting more and more popular with Six Flags, they take up little space, and attract huge lines. SFMM isn't big, it's huge. They will push this to the limit, I beleive partially to beat CP (no, NO, NOOOOOOO!!!!! no more big arguements about SFMM vs. CP). In all likelihood, it will get something, but it's a snowball's chance in.. well.. you get the idea.. that it'll be a complete circuit. If intamin makes something new thats compact, fast, high, and intense, SFMM will be the first to get it. What I'd really like to see is a huge free fall ride though.. Thrillshot doesn't count for the same reason turbo drops are better than space shots. Mark "crazy freshman who screamed 'AFLAC' out the window of the car because another car had the logo painted on the side" Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Nov 15 17:25:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 01:25:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 79170 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 01:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 01:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 01:25:53 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/9Pnouz3HNTvRPshDDipYzuZj6c2vmIPk"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GLB25EEY; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:24:17 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:21:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 Message-ID: <20011115.192134.-370587.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,18-20 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > SFMM: Like SFGAdv, SFMM will probably take the year off to focus on > getting its rides in better condition (Collossus, Psyclone, > Flashback, > etc). A flat ride or two are possible, however, as SFMM is really > That, along with an impulse. They're getting more and more popular > with Six > Flags, they take up little space, and attract huge lines. Not next year - as far as coasters, I've heard the park was seriously looking at getting an ArrowBATic. However, with the problems with X, the ArrowBATic isn't even up in the air anymore - it's cancelled completely. An Intamin impulse is not only unlikely for SFMM (the park already has an Intamin launched ride, as well as a shuttle coaster) but there are other departments the park is really lacking in that they're going to pay some attention to. I'm not saying an impulse is completely out of the question (I've been completely surprised before), but it's very, very unlikely for next year. There's another Intamin ride they'll be getting first. ;-) -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Nov 15 20:31:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 04:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 68406 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 04:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 04:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 04:31:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tommytheduck@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by n24.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2001 04:31:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:31:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: AFLAC!!! Message-ID: <9t24r1+jli3@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <139.4a6c9f9.2925aeaf@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 207 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 207.93.133.159 From: "Brian Farral" X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > Mark "crazy freshman who screamed 'AFLAC' out the window of the car because > another car had the logo painted on the side" Wilson Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery!!! AFLAC!! -Brian F. From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Nov 15 21:49:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 05:49:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 27837 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 05:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 05:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.59) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 05:49:43 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:49:43 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 05:49:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:49:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 05:49:43.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D858FC0:01C16E62] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >SFA: The only possibility I see here is SFoG's old Schwarzkopf shuttle >loop. If not, then it's an off-year for the park. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! If that goes anywhere, I want it to come to The Great Escape! I totally don't see Viper going to SFA. They already have a launched ride and a shuttle coaster. That park doesn't need that ride, it would be better suited elsewhere. >SFAW: Probably nothing - if they do get anything, it would only be a >minor flat ride or something similar. SixFlagsHouston.com seems to have connections inside the park. They are optimistic for a new ride next year. The latest rumor seems to be something from S&S. I would laugh if it's one of those upcharge things. >SFDL: Shoot-the chutes ride and possible small addition to the water park >(lazy river?) I hope it's an Intamin SuperFlume! (Stay away the first couple days of operation, as someone is likely to fall out.) Just kidding. >SFEG: Looks like yet another year of nothingness. No competition, no investment. Oh yeah, they have no space, either. :) >SFGAdv: Most likely taking a year off to get its unworking rides in >working condition (Rolling Thunder, Viper, Evolution, etc) LOL! Rolling Thunder WORKS... just not WELL. :) >SFKK: Intamin Impulse, if anything. SFOG Viper? >SFMM: Like SFGAdv, SFMM will probably take the year off to focus on >getting its rides in better condition (Collossus, Psyclone, Flashback, >etc). A flat ride or two are possible, however, as SFMM is really >lacking in this department. Flashback needs to be retrofitted with lap-bars only and put in the dark! That ride SCREAMS to be put in a warehouse and operated in the dark! >SFNE: B&M floorless Forceless? Actually, that one looks really cool. Let's not forget... La Ronde- They're getting Batman The Ride (B&M). The Great Escape- SOMETHING!! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From lance@screamscape.com Thu Nov 15 23:17:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 07:17:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 90168 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 07:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 07:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 07:17:27 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 164dFd-0008QW-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:17:25 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c16e6e$b84e9460$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20011115.192134.-370587.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:17:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > SFMM: Like SFGAdv, SFMM will probably take the year off to focus on > > getting its rides in better condition (Collossus, Psyclone, > > Flashback, > > etc). A flat ride or two are possible, however, as SFMM is really > > > That, along with an impulse. They're getting more and more popular > > with Six > > Flags, they take up little space, and attract huge lines. > > Not next year - as far as coasters, I've heard the park was seriously > looking at getting an ArrowBATic. However, with the problems with X, the > ArrowBATic isn't even up in the air anymore - it's cancelled completely. > An Intamin impulse is not only unlikely for SFMM (the park already has an > Intamin launched ride, as well as a shuttle coaster) but there are other > departments the park is really lacking in that they're going to pay some > attention to. I'm not saying an impulse is completely out of the > question (I've been completely surprised before), but it's very, very > unlikely for next year. There's another Intamin ride they'll be getting > first. ;-) I've about given up hope waiting for that Intamin Giant Drop on S:TE. Also... it seems CCI did design a major wooden coaster for SFMM that is held up in the air with most of the other Six Flags/CCI projects at the moment, so you never know when that might come out. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Nov 16 06:33:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 14:33:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 2987 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 14:33:31 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04533 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:33:31 -0600 Message-Id: <200111161433.IAA04533@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:33:30 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com In-Reply-To: <005e01c16e6e$b84e9460$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> from "Lance Hart" at Nov 16, 2001 02:17:15 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Also... it seems CCI did design a major wooden coaster for SFMM > that is held up in the air with most of the other Six Flags/CCI projects > at the moment, so you never know when that might come out. What is it with Six Flags and CCI? Anyone know why Six Flags is being such a pack of Doofii about this? Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From lu_pavlik@hotmail.com Fri Nov 16 13:57:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lu_pavlik@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 21:57:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 34154 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 21:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 21:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.4) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 21:57:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:57:08 -0800 Received: from 63.169.102.87 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:57:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.169.102.87] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFDL Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:57:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 21:57:08.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2C5C570:01C16EE9] From: "Lucas Pavlik" Well Frank, when I was at SFDL this year for my Senior Project, I interviewed the Operations Manager, and he said that they have plans to get around 4?(not sure if that was the number) very large attractions in the coming years. Now i couldn't get him to divoulge any info on the attractions, I did get a free ride and video on the Sling Shot. But he said large ones, and included other hints, towards getting a different coaster or two, but im not sure. I did see a sign in the water park saying New Attraction coming next year! SO who knows if this is a wter ride, or just a type of water slide. ANyhow hope this helps a little, and if anyone can verify or nullify, or add.....please do. -Lucas >From: Frank K >Reply-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFDL >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:47:39 -0600 (Central Standard Time) > >I was wondering if anyone knows if a new coaster is going to be build for >the 2002 season at Six Flags Darien Lake? Also if you have any info you >would like to share please send that along (about sfdl)...example would be >pictures. I am looking for SFDL material that I could use for the web. > >--Frank >*New Site Comming Soon > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From coasterdude18@juno.com Fri Nov 16 15:17:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 16 Nov 2001 23:17:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 41268 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 23:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2001 23:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 23:17:57 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/XLGr/Rd6atI+CCSFbDLXF6fK4vjLCiG2"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GLED95CP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:17:35 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:14:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 Message-ID: <20011116.171437.-264603.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,14-16 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Also... it seems CCI did design a major wooden coaster for SFMM > > that is held up in the air with most of the other Six Flags/CCI > > projects > > at the moment, so you never know when that might come out. > What is it with Six Flags and CCI? Anyone know why Six Flags is > being such > a pack of Doofii about this? I believe this goes back to Medusa at SFM - some reprofiling had to be done the year after it opened and Six Flags was not at all happy with that. That's the basics of it, I believe - I'm sure Lance (or others?) could fill you in a bit more. The major problem is that Six Flags wants a maintenance-free coaster. And they're just not going to find that when shopping for woodies. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Nov 17 06:15:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 17 Nov 2001 14:15:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 36000 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 14:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2001 14:15:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO voxel.liquidweb.com) (66.96.231.2) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 14:15:30 -0000 Received: from [65.33.28.104] (helo=vaio) by voxel.liquidweb.com with smtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1656Fj-0007s1-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c16f72$482c4420$681c2141@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20011116.171437.-264603.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QSTN: SIX FLAGS 2002 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:15:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - voxel.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - screamscape.com From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I believe this goes back to Medusa at SFM - some reprofiling had to be > done the year after it opened and Six Flags was not at all happy with > that. That's the basics of it, I believe - I'm sure Lance (or others?) > could fill you in a bit more. The major problem is that Six Flags wants > a maintenance-free coaster. And they're just not going to find that when > shopping for woodies. There are many other problems as well I believe... but I think many of them came from the Gerstlauer trains which CCI recommended because PTC wont work dirrectly with CCI (or so I was once told... ) From serpmage@juno.com Sat Nov 17 15:56:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 17 Nov 2001 23:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 40623 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2001 23:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2001 23:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2001 23:56:13 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAIXn8JWeJrblQBfYWZafFhg1bWTcjDaAJg=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GLG2U2B2; Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:55:55 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:17:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Message-ID: <20011117.185511.-216745.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,13-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > Of course, their will be a point when people say enough is enough. > Then they > won't really be able to tell the difference between the drops > because they > will all be so tall. I would guess that that will be somewhere in > the 6-7 > hundreds (dear god!!!!) and I intend to be around to ride that ride. I'm still waiting for someone to get rights to build a coaster to drop 5,000 ft into the Grand Canyon. Neglecting friction and terminal veolcity, there is potential for 385 mph with a drop like that. I'm thinking the wheels would probably have to be about 3 feet in diameter to pull off speeds like that. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From ViperSFGA@aol.com Sun Nov 18 13:33:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 21:33:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 36643 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 21:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 21:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 21:33:39 -0000 Received: from ViperSFGA@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.70.133630c3 (15866) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID65-1118163322; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:33:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:33:21 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <70.133630c3.29298322@aol.com> From: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: vipersfga "I'm still waiting for someone to get rights to build a coaster to drop 5,000 ft into the Grand Canyon. Neglecting friction and terminal veolcity, there is potential for 385 mph with a drop like that. I'm thinking the wheels would probably have to be about 3 feet in diameter to pull off speeds like that." I'm hoping that was a bad joke. Though it is a reflection of our capitalist driven society. Kyle From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Nov 18 14:52:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 22:52:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 49299 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 22:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 22:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 22:52:57 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.112.7dc9f4e (4402) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:52:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <112.7dc9f4e.292995c3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:52:51 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/01 4:34:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ViperSFGA@aol.com writes: > I'm hoping that was a bad joke. Though it is a reflection of our capitalist > driven society. > > WHAT? how do you figure it's a relflection of our captalist driven society? He said he wants to see someone build a 5,000 foot drop, and you call say it's becuse of our capitalist driven society? I'm not understsanding your thought process whatsoever. Where in his post did He mention anything about building it for his own financial benefit? -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ViperSFGA@aol.com Sun Nov 18 15:47:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 18 Nov 2001 23:47:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 72468 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2001 23:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2001 23:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2001 23:47:43 -0000 Received: from ViperSFGA@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id r.135.4d15c88 (15904) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID97-1118184738; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:47:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:47:37 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <135.4d15c88.2929a29a@aol.com> From: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: vipersfga In a message dated Sun, 18 Nov 2001 5:56:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, MxPx2@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 11/18/01 4:34:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ViperSFGA@aol.com writes: > > > > I'm hoping that was a bad joke. Though it is a reflection of our capitalist > > driven society. > > > > > > WHAT? > how do you figure it's a relflection of our captalist driven society? > He said he wants to see someone build a 5,000 foot drop, and you call say > it's becuse of our capitalist driven society? > > I'm not understsanding your thought process whatsoever. Where in his post did > He mention anything about building it for his own financial benefit? What I mean is that the Grand Canyon is a natural wonder and to build a ride on it would be like putting an oil rig on Mount Rushmore. It would make money, (and in the case of a dropping ride, many people would love it) but, it would be tainting a national marvel. Yet there are people who would love to do and some would love to make a profit of it. I did not mean to accuse anyone, I was just saying that it would be a true reflextion of money grubbing buisness men, not coaster enthusiasts, if it were to be made. Kyle From supermanros@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 16:07:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 00:07:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 70601 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 00:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 00:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.13) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 00:07:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:07:32 -0800 Received: from 137.142.173.255 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:07:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.142.173.255] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:07:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 00:07:32.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F2279A0:01C1708E] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >What I mean is that the Grand Canyon is a natural wonder and to build a >ride on it would be like putting an oil rig on Mount Rushmore. It would >make money, (and in the case of a dropping ride, many people would love it) >but, it would be tainting a national marvel. Yet there are people who would >love to do and some would love to make a profit of it. I did not mean to >accuse anyone, I was just saying that it would be a true reflextion of >money grubbing buisness men, not coaster >enthusiasts, if it were to be >made. Somebody took a few too many rides on Great Adventure's Viper! ;-) -Chris K, who truly believes that ride causes brain damage- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From scrunch17@yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 17:14:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 01:14:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 53699 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 01:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 01:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.157) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 01:14:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20011119011430.76764.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.215.155.76] by web20601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:14:30 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:14:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <135.4d15c88.2929a29a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- ViperSFGA@aol.com wrote: > What I mean is that the Grand Canyon is a natural > wonder and to build a ride on it would be like > putting an oil rig on Mount Rushmore. It would make > money, (and in the case of a dropping ride, many > people would love it) but, it would be tainting a > national marvel. Yet there are people who would love > to do and some would love to make a profit of it. I > did not mean to accuse anyone, I was just saying > that it would be a true reflextion of money grubbing > buisness men, not coaster enthusiasts, if it were to > be made. Okay, first of all Mount Rushmore was a "tainting of a national marvel". It wasnt like those faces just appeared on their own. And if you think the local economy doesnt owe thier entire livelihoods on that 'tainting' you've got another thing comming. America is a capitalistic society. If you dont like it, LEAVE. But as far as I have seen, no other societal model works as well in practice. Socialism is a fabulous idea that will never exist! (and by fabulous I mean mythical NOT wonderful...look it up). lata, jeremy --100% capitalist swine!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From ViperSFGA@aol.com Sun Nov 18 18:11:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 02:11:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 63151 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 02:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 02:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 02:11:03 -0000 Received: from ViperSFGA@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.e4.1e05ded3 (15890) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID85-1118211056; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:10:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:10:56 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: vipersfga "Okay, first of all Mount Rushmore was a "tainting of a national marvel". It wasnt like those faces just appeared on their own. And if you think the local economy doesnt owe thier entire livelihoods on that 'tainting' you've got another thing comming. America is a capitalistic society. If you dont like it, LEAVE. But as far as I have seen, no other societal model works as well in practice. Socialism is a fabulous idea that will never exist! (and by fabulous I mean mythical NOT wonderful...look it up)." Your misintrepreting what I'm saying. When I said tainting Mount Rushmore, I obviousely didn't mean for it to be a NATURAL wonder. I used as an example of something important to our country. Would Yellow Stone be a better example? Anyway, I'm not saying capitalism is bad. It is great and allows people to go from nothing, to everything. I'm just saying that (how do I say this without it sounding like I'm against capitalism)at some point people pervert capitalism and do awful things because they know they will make money. Example: the people who sold false debris from the WTC site to grieving families. So, doing something like a dropping ride in the Grand Canyon would be a perversion of capitalism. Of course, we need to be careful about what is considered a perversion of capitalism in order to advoid becoming (dare I say it) socialists. Kyle From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Nov 18 18:12:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 02:12:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 32263 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 02:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 02:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 02:12:58 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.e5.f2cb1ff (5715) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID48-1118211254; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:12:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:12:54 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk <> All he's saying is, that would take a LOT of structure to build something that high, and it would take something like building down the side of a mountain or a canyon in order to do it. I don't think "capitalism" was anything near what was on his mind at that point. -Josh From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 21:30:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 05:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 73954 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 05:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 05:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20401.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.120) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 05:30:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20011119053007.58352.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.173.181.158] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:30:07 PST Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:30:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: MISC: Back again...a little braver than before To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Hey all. I am back from my first IAAPA and the first time to Orlando since 1999. The show was fun. Nothing groundbreaking, but a lot of ride mans. went away happy. During Thanksgiving I will be writing TRs on IOA (my first visit to the park fully operating), MGM Studios (so THIS is what the Disney name stands for?), Sea World (floorless fun in the Florida sun), and Extreme Rides 101 (my first rides on the Gravity Works Skyscraper, Zamperla Turbo Force, Montic SCAD tower, the new 250-foot Ejection Seat and the 300-foot skycoaster [I still can't beleive I did this...but man was it good]). I see we have returned to the "is bigger the future" question...but I am too tired to broach it now. :) Off to bed, Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From serpmage@juno.com Sun Nov 18 22:10:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 06:10:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 57852 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 06:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 06:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 06:10:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAGKUzgcYNq2cQJ5UxHIR/zadrFT+wS23UA=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GLLAMZ5H; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:09:37 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:08:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? Message-ID: <20011119.010857.-369509.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-19,39-40,43-48 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > < build a ride > on it would be like putting an oil rig on Mount Rushmore. It would > make > money, (and in the case of a dropping ride, many people would love > it) but, > it would be tainting a national marvel. Yet there are people who > would love > to do and some would love to make a profit of it. I did not mean to > accuse > anyone, I was just saying that it would be a true reflextion of > money > grubbing buisness men, not coaster enthusiasts, if it were to be > made>> > > All he's saying is, that would take a LOT of structure to build > something that high, and it would take something like building down > the side of a mountain or a canyon in order to do it. I don't think > "capitalism" was anything near what was on his mind at that point. Basically, yes, that's what I was after. Obviously it's not particularly worthwhile to outright build a structure anywhere near that tall as a stand alone coaster, although the technology exists. (Heck, drop it down the side of the Eifel Tower) All I'm saying is that something that big would be really cool but only feasible to use a natural structure (talk about a terrain coaster), of course, only a small percentage of the population would be willing to ride such a monstous insanity. The other thing to bring into mind when thinking about "How big is too big?" is this little thing called terminal velocity. The friction on the track and the wind resistance against the frame of the train are going to eventually limit the top speed of coasters. A skydiver has a terminal velocity of around 150-160 mph in a dart dive so I'd be willing to bet that a train attached to a track, no matter how good the streamlining, would be hard pressed to break a 200 mph barrier without some sort of propulsion unit. Of course, the obviuos solution to increase that number would be a mag-lev coaster, but then it would no longer be considered a "roller" coaster, but the potential is there for one heck of a wild ride. It wouldn't surprise me to see this as a prototype sometime in about 30 to 40 years, when Arrow decides to pop its head up again. (I know, shameless jab) And you want to talk about defacing the Grand Canyon, what would you call the Hoover Dam? I call it a really cool sledding hill with a real heck of a stop at the end. Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Nov 19 06:14:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 14:14:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 10689 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 14:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 14:14:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.125) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 14:14:42 -0000 Received: (cpmta 9242 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 06:14:41 -0800 Date: 19 Nov 2001 06:14:41 -0800 Message-ID: <20011119141441.9241.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Nov 2001 14:14:41 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 19 Nov 2001 06:14:41 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: Whalom pricing From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For those who don't read Amusement Business, here's a recent listing. No park was mentioned, but it's pretty obvious. I think what's more interesting is which rides are *not* for sale.... Please, someone save the Tumble Bug and the Klaus Jets! :-( Jay ====== 1963 Allan Herschell Kiddie Astronauts, $7,000.00 1952 Allan Herschell Kiddie Skyfighter, $5,0000.00 1959 Klaus Satelitte Jet, $10,000.00 1956 Hrubitz Round-up, T/M, $12,000.00 1947 Allan Herschell (Looper) Rock-n-Roll, $2,000.00 A REAL BARGIN ! 1965 Eli Ferris Wheel, $15,000.00 Custer Bubble Bounce, $2,000.00 Chambers Tumble Bug, $15,000.00 ? Klaus Roto Jets, $5,000.00 Buck Rodgers Space Ship, $2,000.00 Eyerly Octopus parts, $2,000.00 !986 P.T.C. Coaster Cars, (3) $25,000.00 Pro Slidew/2 landing Pools, 2 flumes, $45,000.00 Call Mr. Ed Woodcome 978-840-8700 for more Info. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 08:53:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 16:53:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10229 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 16:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 16:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.164) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 16:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20011119165340.71836.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:53:40 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:53:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris --- ViperSFGA@aol.com wrote: > So, doing something like a dropping ride in the > Grand Canyon would be a perversion of capitalism. Of > course, we need to be careful about what is > considered a perversion of capitalism in order to > advoid becoming (dare I say it) socialists. Okay, here we'll just agree to disagree. The Grand Canyon is 'grand' and all, but I dont think putting a man made machine there makes it any less grand. jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Nov 19 13:02:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 19 Nov 2001 21:02:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 79018 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2001 21:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2001 21:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2001 21:02:55 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id i.12e.7cca769 (3862); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:01:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12e.7cca769.292acd42@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:01:54 EST Subject: Florida IAAPA: TR To: trprtk173@hotmail.com (Brad Sherman), jwcii@bellatlantic.net (john cline ii), 4airtime@bellsouth.net dreamwave6@yahoo.com, THOSECHICKASAWS@aol.com, CoAsTeRFaNaTiC@aol.com, kosmacbm@notes.udayton.edu, cholmes@aceonline.org, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, ethsx@hotmail.com, tbills@netacs.net, Guy2468@aol.com, allenarena@hotmail.com, andmar1000@columbus.rr.com, CoasterfanJMT@aol.com Cc: darrenmullins@hotmail.com (Darren Mullins) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all my Coaster Friends: This is my trip report for Florida last week. I got up at 3:30am Monday morning and left about 4:00am for Florida. I drove all day long, and ended up in Tampa by 8pm that night. On Tuesday, I went to Busch Gardens Tampa. I met my friends, The Taylors at the front gate around 9:45 or so. The first ride I rode was Gwazi Lion which I loved, and then I had to do Gwazi Tiger which was good also. Then we headed for Montu and we rode that several times in a row as the park was not crowded. With it not being crowded, everything was one train. I loved Montu, very smooth coaster. Then it was time for lunch and we ate some good Busch Burgers, and I had for desert a piece of their famous chocolate cake! Then in the afternoon, we rode the sky ride, and then did Scorpion, Python and Kumba. Kumba disoriented us which made it not a coaster that I want to ride again. We finished out the day on Montu and Gwazi to end off with. It was a great day, and Justin was a great friend to hang with that day. On Tuesday evening, I went on to Orlando and checked into my hotel, The Rodeway Inn. Then I walked around taking in the sites of International Blvd. I ended up seeing a place called Skull Kingdom, which was a heavily themed haunted house. I did that and had fun doing so. On Wednesday, I went to IAAPA for the first day of the exhibition. That was very overwhelming. They had everything under one roof there! I loved the free samples of food! I got to see people like Dana Morgan and Walter Boliger. I didnt talk to any of them, but I did see them as I walked by. I enjoyed riding all the rides that were set up both indoors and out. I did quite a few of the simulator rides. I rode a coaster outside that was pretty cute! I gathered lots and lots of information from the various booths. I think the most entertaining thing I saw was an electric chair for haunted houses. I thought it was really awsome. That night, I rode the trolley back to my hotel, as that is how I arrived that morning. Then I walked from Rodeway to Don Pablos for dinner. It was really good, and then I rode a trolley back. Thursday I got up and checked out of my hotel, and drove to IAAPA and parked in the Orlando Pointe. I ran into Sean Flaharty when I first got there and hung out with him. I also ran into John Cline and talked to him for awhile. Then I hooked back up with Sean, and also Robb Alvey and a few others. We all went out to the SCAD Tower, which is something that I will never do. It was this crane that hoisted you up in a small metal basket. They strapped you in by a hook and dropped you free fall into a net! Sean did it, and so did a few others in the group, but not me! Also, I got to meet Denise Larrick, which was cool. That night we went to Islands of Adventure and that was really awsome. We did Spiderman, The Hulk, Jurassic Park, Flying Unicorn, Dueling Dragons, Dr Suess's Cat In The Hat, and the Elephant ride, and Posiedon Adventure. I loved Hulk, it was awsome, and I really loved Posiedon Adventure. Thats one of the best! We ate some free pizza, which was really awsome too. I said my goodbyes to everyone in the group and departed IOA for north Florida, where I stayed in Gainesville. Then I went on to Valdosta,Georgia on Friday morning and went to Wild Adventures. That is a nice cute little park. The Vekoma's were just like any Vekoma. Hangman wasnt the worst hang N bang ever, but it was a banger. The Boomerang was also a head banger. They had a double shot which was cool since I had missed the one at Indiana Beach this year. They also had Elvira in the simulator, but too bad it was out of focus. I loved Cheetah, I ended my 2001 coaster riding season on it and finished up on 145 coasters now! So with that, I came home on Saturday and it was an awsome trip! Happy Coastering in 2002 everyone! Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ViperSFGA@aol.com Mon Nov 19 16:15:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 00:15:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 86400 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 00:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 00:15:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 00:15:05 -0000 Received: from ViperSFGA@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.154.44d4254 (4555) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:14:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <154.44d4254.292afa7f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:14:55 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 From: ViperSFGA@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: vipersfga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/01 1:10:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, serpmage@juno.com writes: > And you want to talk about defacing the Grand Canyon, what would you call > the Hoover Dam? I call it a really cool sledding hill with a real heck > of a stop at the end. > True, but that was to prevent floods and to help bring electricity to large parts of the west. Oh well...can't win em' all. But thats whats so good about RCT. All of the different views coming together, it's really nice. Go ahead and build your darn ride. I know I'd still be first in line if it got built. Not that itn would any time soon. Kyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Nov 19 19:16:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 03:16:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 90052 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 03:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 03:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 03:16:53 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.14a.448bf37 (4234) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:16:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14a.448bf37.292b2522@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:16:50 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Where's the stopping point? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/2001 7:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, ViperSFGA@aol.com writes: > and to help bring electricity to large > parts of the west. So, that the person who ran the electric company could make money. Capitalism. Sorry to be a big you know what about this, But i'm just presenting your side of the argument back to you again. Being a Punk, I'm all about these kinds of things, and forms of government and economics are my favorite subjects after Physics, (Coasters) and Music. I think if you really want to bring up "capitalizing" on something....Look at all these "buy this flag thing" commercials and SPAM E-mails you get every day. That's capitalizing on the tragedy at the WTC. They sell a $5 coin for 39.99 and they donate $6 to the WTC funds. That's $29 that goes right back into their pockets. sad... and, how about the false charities that were set up in the weeks following sept 11th...... Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Nov 19 19:56:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 03:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 49251 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 03:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 03:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 03:56:22 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWiizSsfkf6KFoOcfnlSqf+pX5vJ7j8U8SA=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GLNMD29Q; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:55:59 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:49:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Whalom pricing Message-ID: <20011119.195327.-1072569.1.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-45,47-62 From: Xcoaster@juno.com Hmm, maybe I can convince my parents to buy one... Wishful thinking. Anyways, I'm really bad with flat ride names and if anyone can describe what each of these is and if they have an link to a pic that would be good too. I do know what about half are, I'm not that bad, but still. Thanks. Ryan S. (Who thinks he might start trying to raise a couple thousand, plus, how much would it take to transport one of these to San Diego?) Xcoaster@juno.com On 19 Nov 2001 06:14:41 -0800 jay@karenandjay.com writes: > For those who don't read Amusement Business, here's a recent listing. > No park was mentioned, but it's pretty obvious. I think what's > more interesting is which rides are *not* for sale.... Please, > someone save the Tumble Bug and the Klaus Jets! :-( > > Jay > > ====== > > 1963 Allan Herschell Kiddie Astronauts, $7,000.00 > 1952 Allan Herschell Kiddie Skyfighter, $5,0000.00 > 1959 Klaus Satelitte Jet, $10,000.00 > 1956 Hrubitz Round-up, T/M, $12,000.00 > 1947 Allan Herschell (Looper) Rock-n-Roll, $2,000.00 A REAL BARGIN > ! > 1965 Eli Ferris Wheel, $15,000.00 > Custer Bubble Bounce, $2,000.00 > Chambers Tumble Bug, $15,000.00 ? > Klaus Roto Jets, $5,000.00 > Buck Rodgers Space Ship, $2,000.00 > Eyerly Octopus parts, $2,000.00 > !986 P.T.C. Coaster Cars, (3) $25,000.00 > Pro Slidew/2 landing Pools, 2 flumes, $45,000.00 > > Call Mr. Ed Woodcome 978-840-8700 for more Info. > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Nov 19 20:37:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 04:37:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8167 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 04:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 04:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20408.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.127) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 04:37:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011120043723.84241.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.173.218.241] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:37:23 PST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:37:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: MISC: Whalom Pricing To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Hmm, maybe I can convince my parents to buy one... >Wishful thinking. Anyways, I'm really bad with flat >ride names and if anyone can describe what each of >these is and if they have an link to a pic that would >be good too. I do know what about half are, I'm not >that bad, but still. Thanks. Here are some you might not know. If you have any others just ask. > 1959 Klaus Satelitte Jet, $10,000.00 From Mountain Park http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/Whalom/whalomrockets.jpg > 1947 Allan Herschell (Looper) Rock-n-Roll, > $2,000.00 A REAL BARGIN Whalom's- http://www.angelfire.com/nh/whalom/images/rockandroll7801.jpg This is from a different park, but the concept is the same. http://www.members.home.net/dkreid/sandspit/flat02.htm > Custer Bubble Bounce, $2,000.00 Here is a picture of a Hrubetz Tip Top, which was the ride Frank Hrubetz made after Custer went under. Http://www.usedrides.com has a pic, search for Hrubetz and you will see a Tip Top picture. > Chambers Tumble Bug, $15,000.00 http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/Whalom/whalomtumble.jpg > Klaus Roto Jets, $5,000.00 http://www.alexsplace.com/Photos/Whalom-Park/Whalom-Park-33.htm Similar to the ones at Disneyland when Tommorrowland opened (the ones @ Whalom are from Palisades) > Buck Rodgers Space Ship, $2,000.00 I am guessing he means the Traver Circle Swing. http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/Whalom/whalomcircleswing.jpg Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From serpmage@juno.com Mon Nov 19 21:26:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 05:26:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 80242 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 05:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 05:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m2.boston.juno.com) (64.136.24.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 05:26:16 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAF9MIpN93Oifc6FN0bnBMXSawA45BR9hfw=="> Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GLNSJCVX; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:25:43 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:25:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Florida IAAPA: TR Message-ID: <20011120.002508.-142705.0.serpmage@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: "Tim N." X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > That night we went to Islands > of > Adventure > and that was really awsome. We did Spiderman, The Hulk, Jurassic > Park, > Flying Unicorn, Dueling Dragons, Dr Suess's Cat In The Hat, and the > Elephant > ride, and Posiedon Adventure. Having been to IOA at least once every other month, I have to ask. What Elephant ride? Tim The Poor Engineering Student --------------------------------------------------- If life isn't going to be serious about me, Why should I be serious about life? From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Nov 20 05:59:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 13:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 58765 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 13:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 13:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 13:59:47 -0000 Received: (cpmta 5256 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 05:59:47 -0800 Date: 20 Nov 2001 05:59:46 -0800 Message-ID: <20011120135946.5252.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Nov 2001 13:59:46 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 20 Nov 2001 05:59:46 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Whalom Pricing From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > http://www.members.home.net/dkreid/sandspit/flat02.htm< Wow! Great link, Adam! Thanks. Sandspit Amusements bought several of Mountain Park's rides (I actually helped dismantle and load them onto trailer trucks) and this is only the second look I've had at them in their new home. The Big Eli Ferris wheel, Scrambler, Train and Mangels (or are they Hershell?) auto cars were from Mt. Park. The only ride out of those that I didn't operate was the Scrambler. I used to love running the Ferris wheel; that was a great job! The train was the first ride at Mt. Park that my dad operated. Ah...memories.... :-) > I am guessing he means the Traver Circle Swing. < I've got dibs on that one! ;-) Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Nov 20 06:00:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 14:00:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 56543 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 14:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 14:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.131) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 14:00:27 -0000 Received: (cpmta 5317 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 06:00:26 -0800 Date: 20 Nov 2001 06:00:26 -0800 Message-ID: <20011120140026.5312.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Nov 2001 14:00:26 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 20 Nov 2001 06:00:26 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Whalom Pricing From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > http://www.members.home.net/dkreid/sandspit/flat02.htm< Wow! Great link, Adam! Thanks. Sandspit Amusements bought several of Mountain Park's rides (I actually helped dismantle and load them onto trailer trucks) and this is only the second look I've had at them in their new home. The Big Eli Ferris wheel, Scrambler, Train and Mangels (or are they Hershell?) auto cars were from Mt. Park. The only ride out of those that I didn't operate was the Scrambler. I used to love running the Ferris wheel; that was a great job! The train was the first ride at Mt. Park that my dad operated. Ah...memories.... :-) > I am guessing he means the Traver Circle Swing. < I've got dibs on that one! ;-) Jay From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 06:01:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 14:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28083 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 14:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 14:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20401.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.120) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 14:01:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20011120140121.48889.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.161.87.58] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:01:21 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:01:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Florida IAAPA: TR To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >We all went out to the SCAD Tower, which is something >that I will never do. It was this crane that hoisted >you up in a small metal basket. They strapped you in >by a hook and dropped you free fall into a net! >Sean did it, and so did a few others in the group, >but not me! Its bark is really a lot worse than its bite. The only thing that unerved me was the swaying of the basket at the top in the wind. The drop was good and the SMACK as you hit the net did not hurt. Just one of many rides I will be discussing in my TR. For people who have not seen one of these, check out htt://www.montic.de. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 06:58:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 14:58:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 98302 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 14:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 14:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web10907.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.131.43) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 14:58:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20011120145804.39610.qmail@web10907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.35.91.202] by web10907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:58:04 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 06:58:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: I DID IT!!!!!! To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1006252907.205.56352.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Yesterday, for the first time in my life, I experienced the pleasure known as CHOST!!! (CHeese On a STick) and it was yummy! AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (who is enjoying the company of his newest friend... a stuffed duck who says "AFLAC!" when you squeeze him) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Nov 20 11:35:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 19:35:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 45787 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 19:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 19:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 19:35:46 -0000 Received: (from cameron@localhost) by buzzneon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05583 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:35:45 -0600 Message-Id: <200111202035.OAA05583@buzzneon.com> Subject: Probably already old news, but.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:35:45 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cameron Silver X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Cedar Point announced their new ride for 2002. Basically it's a slightly taller V2/SUE, with twists on both spikes (presumably getting ride of the hold on the back spike). Here's a link to the page on Cedar Point's site: http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/inside_park/rides/thrill/2002/wt/index.cfm Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** a piano?! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Tue Nov 20 11:57:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 19:57:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25956 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apollo.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.8) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 19:57:37 -0000 Received: by apollo.thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:00:03 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Coaster-Talk (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Probably already old news, but.. Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:59:54 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Carrier, Michael" X-Yahoo-Profile: blue_eyed_tx_guy >Cedar Point announced their new ride for 2002. Basically it's a slightly taller V2/SUE, with twists on both spikes (presumably getting ride of the hold on the back spike).< This is a very disappointing addition for CP. The park that prides itself on attaining maximum rider capacity getting a one-train coaster. Plus it's located so close to S:UE, it'll look like they're just copying SFWoA. The backwards twist sounds fun, but couldn't they have added a vertical loop or something to make the layout longer and a little more interesting? Are they THAT short on space? They're going to have to make this a Fastpass attraction, otherwise the lines will be RIDICULOUS!!! Mike From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 13:28:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 20 Nov 2001 21:28:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 42024 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 21:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2001 21:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.85) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 21:28:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tommytheduck@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.10.107] by n35.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2001 21:28:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Probably already old news, but.. Message-ID: <9tehug+ssb5@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <200111202035.OAA05583@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 199.35.91.101 From: "Brian Farral" X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck You know... I was really hoping you guys were wrong, but it looks like the rumors were true. CP is building a slightly larger version of a ride right down the street! WHY??!?!? what gets me is that it's not even that much taller. If it were 300 ft or so, then it would be a cool ride, but probably impossible due to the high stresses that would be imposed on the twisted track at those speeds. So does this mean that CP is competeing with SF (the entire chain)by simply bettering the ride that they built exclusively over the past 2 years? And why are they investing in a ride that has plauged SF with problems? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Tue Nov 20 17:27:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 01:27:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 53856 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 01:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 01:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.1.43) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from zurstery (6532134hfc201.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.134.201]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fAL1ReS13312 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:27:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01cd01c1722b$9e333200$c9862041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:26:19 -0500 Organization: Aquarena MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "brian costanza" X-Yahoo-Profile: latent5150 Well, it sits 4 across and the train is longer. > >Cedar Point announced their new ride for 2002. Basically it's a slightly > taller V2/SUE, with twists on both spikes (presumably getting ride of the > hold on the back spike).< > > This is a very disappointing addition for CP. The park that prides itself on attaining maximum rider capacity getting a one-train coaster. Plus it's located so close to S:UE, it'll look like they're just copying SFWoA. The backwards twist sounds fun, but couldn't they have added a vertical loop or something to make the layout longer and a little more interesting? Are they THAT short on space? They're going to have to make this a Fastpass attraction, otherwise the lines will be RIDICULOUS!!! > > > Mike > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Nov 20 18:12:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 02:12:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 34543 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 02:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 02:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.65) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 02:12:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: coasterdude18@juno.com Received: from [10.1.10.63] by n15.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2001 02:11:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:12:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Probably already old news, but.. Message-ID: <9tf2hp+s48h@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <01cd01c1722b$9e333200$c9862041@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 728 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 67.164.113.245 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 >>> Cedar Point announced their new ride for 2002. Basically it's a >>> slightly taller V2/SUE, with twists on both spikes (presumably >>> getting ride of the hold on the back spike). >> This is a very disappointing addition for CP. The park that >> prides itself on attaining maximum rider capacity getting a one- >> train coaster. >Well, it sits 4 across and the train is longer. The train is longer, but it does not sit four-across. The Six Flags impulses seat 28 passengers - CP's will seat 32 (two extra rows). Capacity is estimated at just 1,000 pph. Expect long lines, people! -Nate (who is posting from the website because he's been battling his computer & DSL for three days now) coasterdude18@juno.com From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Nov 20 20:08:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 04:08:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 65509 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 04:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 04:08:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 04:08:19 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.15b.466b927 (3927) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:08:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <15b.466b927.292c82ac@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:08:12 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/01 8:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, costanza@tampabay.rr.com writes: > Well, it sits 4 across and the train is longer. > > > ummmmm.....nope.. Check the stats on CP's website. It says capacity on the train is 32 people, 16 rows, 2 across.. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From costanza@tampabay.rr.com Tue Nov 20 20:11:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: costanza@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 04:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 67574 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 04:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 04:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.2.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 04:11:48 -0000 Received: from zurstery (6532134hfc201.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.134.201]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fAL4BlJ10852 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:11:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006201c17242$862898a0$c9862041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <15b.466b927.292c82ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:10:55 -0500 Organization: Aquarena MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "brian costanza" X-Yahoo-Profile: latent5150 > ummmmm.....nope.. Check the stats on CP's website. It says capacity on the > train is 32 people, 16 rows, 2 across.. > > Josh > two rows of two per car. the trains are longer From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Nov 20 20:55:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 04:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 18591 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.107) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 04:55:23 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by out007pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fAL4v6H27662 Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:57:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3BFB3509.B3B79CDB@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:00:58 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. References: <15b.466b927.292c82ac@aol.com> <006201c17242$862898a0$c9862041@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash brian costanza wrote: > > ummmmm.....nope.. Check the stats on CP's website. It says capacity on the > > train is 32 people, 16 rows, 2 across.. > > two rows of two per car. the trains are longer Copied straight from CP's website: The train consists of 8 vehicles carrying 4 passengers each, 2 persons side by side for a total of 32 persons. The suspended seats are fitted with a multiple redundant fail-safe passenger restraint system. The shape of the seats and the restraint system applied is specially developed to comfortably accommodate the special characteristics of this ride. In other words, the trains hold exactly 4 more people, with the addition of one more car that holds that has two rows of two people each. In other words it's not much of a difference. So lets see, CP's now copying Six Flags rides, they are attempting to claim that they will break their own world record, which they now co-own with SFMM, and who will be probably be holding the record when they break it with the opening of X.... sounds like a bit of delusion to me. personally I think it's one of the, for lack of a better word, stupidest moves that the park could make. Putting in a slightly larger version of something that is only an hour away instead of something original, or at least a longer distance away, doesn't make much sense. I really doubt that it will be that much of a draw for them- to many people will be saying "been there done that". But then from my own experiences with CP, I guess I'm not shocked. keep on ridin' George (who is still waiting for that refund check from them, and is really starting to think that they gave me a line on teh phone) hmm, maybe I'll make my new sig say something like: Cedar Point, the only park that charges you $25 to walk around and see all of our coasters closed. __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 21:51:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 05:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 88460 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 05:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 05:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20402.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.121) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 05:51:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20011121055139.2309.qmail@web20402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.173.217.211] by web20402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:51:39 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:51:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Probably already old news, but.. To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I must say I am disappointed CP is putting in this coaster. No, I do not think they should have put in some "mega monster giga waste-of-space Magnum big brother." But, when a park works to make itself a draw because of its coasters, only to put a coaster in that has (generous estimate) of 1000 per hour, it is a little disappointing. I still think they should be working on a flat ride program...but I guess that's another discussion entirely. For you own sanity, CP, PLEASE buy something from HUSS in their new Giant Ride line. You need new flat rides with high capacity...its seems like a no-brainer. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 22:00:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 06:00:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 92789 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 06:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 06:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20406.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.125) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 06:00:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20011121060038.63690.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.173.217.211] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:00:38 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:00:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: MISC: Something funny in Arrow's brochure To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I thought I would share something funny from Arrow's IAAPA brochure. It is a three page fold-out and in the middle page pictures of Drachen Fire and Steel Phantom are shown. To the right one can see a picture of the Pipeline, labeled "Pipeline- Prototype." I found the quote under "Manufacturing" rather interesting- "Arrow ride systems are manufactured to very high standards to assure the quality that has made Arrow rides the measure of comparison throughout the world. The Product Assurance Program appliest rigid supplier controls to assure each component of an Arrow ride meets the highest product standards. In-process inspection reduces final inspection time, providing 'on-time' production and delivery schedules." One would think the person selecting the pics, and to a lesser extent the text, would make thier choices a little more carefully. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Nov 20 22:43:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 06:42:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 40619 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 06:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 06:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 06:42:59 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.9c.16982bcb (15895) for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from web33.aolmail.aol.com (web33.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.9]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID810-1121014254; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:42:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:42:54 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <9c.16982bcb.292ca6ee@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Brian Costanza Wrote: > Well, it sits 4 across and the train is longer. > > > To which I replied : ummmmm.....nope.. Check the stats on CP's website. It says capacity on the train is 32 people, 16 rows, 2 across..>> To which HE Responded : two rows of two per car. the trains are longer >> I never said the trains weren't longer. But you said they were for across. I said they're 2 across. they added 4 more seats to the train (1 car) . The standard Impulses seat 28. -Josh From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Nov 20 22:43:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 06:43:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 34972 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 06:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 06:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 06:43:06 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.8b.f74d46c (15890) for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID85-1121014255; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:42:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:42:55 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <8b.f74d46c.292ca6ef@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Brian Costanza Wrote: > Well, it sits 4 across and the train is longer. > > > To which I replied : ummmmm.....nope.. Check the stats on CP's website. It says capacity on the train is 32 people, 16 rows, 2 across..>> To which HE Responded : two rows of two per car. the trains are longer >> I never said the trains weren't longer. But you said they were for across. I said they're 2 across. they added 4 more seats to the train (1 car) . The standard Impulses seat 28. -Josh From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Nov 21 08:03:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 21 Nov 2001 16:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 89158 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 16:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2001 16:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2001 16:03:54 -0000 Received: (cpmta 14020 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2001 08:03:54 -0800 Date: 21 Nov 2001 08:03:53 -0800 Message-ID: <20011121160353.14019.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 21 Nov 2001 16:03:53 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; 21 Nov 2001 08:03:53 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: I DID IT!!!!!! From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Yesterday, for the first time in my life, I > experienced the pleasure known as CHOST!!! (CHeese On a STick) < Congratulations, Brian! I'm curious about that acronym that everyone uses. Why not Cheese On A STick (in other words, COAST)? That seems like a more fitting abbreviation. :-) Jay, whose mouth is now watering From Xcoaster@juno.com Wed Nov 21 19:02:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 03:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 84767 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 03:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 03:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.91) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 03:02:03 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWqSEXy2Ae3Mv6kZJgsT92RmvSyBTfTKBzw=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GLTN4N6H; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 22:02:01 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:59:19 -0800 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] More old news... Message-ID: <20011121.185920.-1595493.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: Xcoaster@juno.com In a surprising move (note the sarcasm), Disney has made it official that they are indeed adding a ToT ride to DCA next year. It was in a tiny little article in the newspaper. Guess I might have another reason to go there, although I might go there anyways earlier. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From djbosshogg@hotmail.com Thu Nov 22 10:53:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djbosshogg@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 22 Nov 2001 18:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 55419 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2001 18:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2001 18:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2001 18:53:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:53:10 -0800 Received: from 207.68.82.34 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:53:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.68.82.34] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I DID IT!!!!!! Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:53:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2001 18:53:10.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE3B9A60:01C17386] From: "Jeremy Daniels" yeah it does seem like you could call it COAST but still.... we call it CHOST! chost for life! congrats brian... too bad you never experienced CP's CHEESBURGER on a STICK! those rocked.... if you find another one, mail it to me! you know since i'm in WV and it'll take me 15 years to get whatever you guys in OHIO have in your town to get to good ol' wv! just kidding, making a WV joke before NATE bust one out on my izass! congrats again later jeremy d. brian spizoke and almost chizoked on his CHOST.... > > > Yesterday, for the first time in my life, I > > experienced the pleasure known as CHOST!!! (CHeese On a STick) < then JAY bust out w/...... > >Congratulations, Brian! > >I'm curious about that acronym that everyone uses. Why not Cheese On A >STick (in other words, COAST)? That seems like a more fitting >abbreviation. :-) > >Jay, whose mouth is now watering > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Nov 23 08:07:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 23 Nov 2001 16:07:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 49309 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 16:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2001 16:07:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20408.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.127) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 16:07:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20011123160756.83280.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.217.123.245] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:07:56 PST Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:07:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: NEWS: Photos of Volare To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Zamperla has some pics of thier new coaster, Volare, at their website: http://www.zamperlarides.com/main/volare.htm It should be a pretty big hit when installed next year, although since it features 4-across seating (with one car trains) it could be a little low on capacity. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From serpmage@juno.com Sat Nov 24 07:13:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 15:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 81130 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 15:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 15:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.68) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 15:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 21327 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Nov 2001 15:13:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20011124151330.21325.qmail@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com for [24.165.235.13] via web-mailer on Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:13:30 +0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:13:30 +0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. From: "Tim Nuhfer" X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > draw because of its coasters, only to put a coaster in > that has (generous estimate) of 1000 per hour, it is a > little disappointing 1,000 pph isn't completely terrible, there are other coasters out there that wish they could push people through that fast. Just look in the same park to Mantis. Tim the Poor Engineering Student -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.juno.com From coasterdude18@juno.com Sat Nov 24 11:12:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 19:12:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 23142 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 19:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 19:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 19:12:49 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/EsEhBMqLt90XPW8ajfbRK3zy4ZDUxa1m"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GL2KFBNB; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:12:37 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:12:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: I DID IT!!!!!! Message-ID: <20011124.131519.-440503.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,11-12,14 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Yesterday, for the first time in my life, I > > experienced the pleasure known as CHOST!!! (CHeese On a STick) > I'm curious about that acronym that everyone uses. Why not Cheese > On A STick (in other words, COAST)? That seems like a more fitting > abbreviation. :-) It's actually not so much an acronym than trying to scrunch the four words together into one, I think. I came up with it during our PPP trip and, though I'm not entirely sure exactly *how* I came up with it, I started using it during that trip and it stuck. That's really the only explanation I can offer for it....oh, I wish I had some Chost now. :-) -Nate (who thinks that Kennywood should cook up a special batch of Chost during the RCTalk group event next summer!) coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Sat Nov 24 11:12:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 19:12:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 45816 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 19:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 19:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.16.75) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 19:12:50 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/EsEhBMqLt92ZdAxhLh6+OLdgV7FSKFwY"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id GL2KFBME; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:12:37 EST To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:09:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. Message-ID: <20011124.131519.-440503.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,17-19 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > draw because of its coasters, only to put a coaster in > > that has (generous estimate) of 1000 per hour, it is a > > little disappointing > 1,000 pph isn't completely terrible, there are other coasters out > there that wish they could push people through that fast. Just look > in the same park to Mantis. I know you had a bad experience with the Mantis crew during your visit, but when I went (August of 2000) Mantis had the best crew I had ever seen - of *any* coaster out therer - period. It's hard to keep people moving through on a stand-up coaster, as amusement parks seem to be a big draw to a lot of idiotic people who throw out every shred of knowledge and common sense when they walk through the gate. People can't figure out how to stradle the bicycle seats, people try to sit, etc. During my visit, Mantis ran three train without stacking once. For comparison, just a week earlier I was at SFKK where the crew on Chang consistently stacked trains and they were only running two. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From serpmage@juno.com Sat Nov 24 13:06:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 21:06:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 99656 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 21:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 21:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 21:06:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 5777 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Nov 2001 21:06:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20011124210640.5769.qmail@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com for [24.165.235.13] via web-mailer on Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:06:38 +0800 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:06:38 +0800 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Probably already old news, but.. From: "Tim Nuhfer" X-Yahoo-Profile: serpmage > I know you had a bad experience with the Mantis crew during your visit, > but when I went (August of 2000) Mantis had the best crew I had ever seen > - of *any* coaster out therer - period. It's hard to keep people moving > through on a stand-up coaster, as amusement parks seem to be a big draw > to a lot of idiotic people who throw out every shred of knowledge and > common sense when they walk through the gate. I know about stupid people at parks, I've worked at Sea World for about 4 or 5 years now, in nearly every facet of the park, from scenic arts to guest services to ride ops, Orlando draw the greatest of idiots from all over the world, so the intelligence of the guests shouldn't have that large of an effect on a coaster's through put. > People can't figure out > how to stradle the bicycle seats, people try to sit, etc. During my > visit, Mantis ran three train without stacking once. For comparison, > just a week earlier I was at SFKK where the crew on Chang consistently > stacked trains and they were only running two. This depends greatly on the experience of the crew, one new recriut can ruin the entire operation. A Kraken, we managed to keep the same crew, pretty much, all the way through the first New Year's, and it took us that long to get good enough for three trains on the track to have any real effect. 1000 pph isn't all that bad, as that is the theoretical capacity for most B&M coasters with two trains on the track. B&M says, on the little placard on the ride control console that Kraken has a max capacity, with three train operation, of 1500 pph. I think in the time that I've been there, they've actually pushed that many people through in an hour maybe 10 times. Tim the Poor Engineering Student -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.juno.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 19:54:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 03:54:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 92268 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 03:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 03:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.51) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 03:54:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tommytheduck@yahoo.com Received: from [10.1.4.65] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2001 03:54:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:54:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: funny stand-up story Message-ID: <9tpq1l+n1d6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20011124.131519.-440503.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1704 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 199.35.103.15 From: "Brian Farral" X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > It's hard to keep people moving > through on a stand-up coaster, as amusement parks seem to be a big > draw > to a lot of idiotic people who throw out every shred of knowledge > and > common sense when they walk through the gate. People can't figure > out > how to stradle the bicycle seats, people try to sit, etc Speaking of which, I think I'll tell you about this guy we saw at shockwave, (PKD's Togo standup) during the last week of Oct. There was this guy who was there with his friends and he was completely drunk. Very possible that he was on a much stronger drug, given the way he was acting. he tried getting onto the train but had no idea how to work the restaints. first he tried sitting on the bar that comes up to your beltline, completely in front of the chest restraints. that didn't work so he just stood there oblivious (his friend was already in his but wasn't helping) when the ride op came over and told him to get in, he put his feet on that same bar, and sat down on the seat. now he was in a seated position, high above the floor of the car. in the meantime, everyone in line was laughing at this guy, but he was just in his own little world. To my suprise, they got him in and sent the train on it's way. I was a little suprised, thinking they would pull him off, because he was really in no condition to be riding. my friends and I were also sure that he would have puked on the ride, but suprisingly, he was fine. no real point to the story, just thought I'd share it with ya. It was funy to us watching it anyways. AFLAC!! -Brian F. (Who's staying up late tonight so he can get ready for 2 straight weeks of 3:30am-9:00am training!) From STINO999@aol.com Sat Nov 24 21:56:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 05:56:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 69604 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 05:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 05:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 05:56:22 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.124.7fadd4e (16785) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:56:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <124.7fadd4e.2931e1ff@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:56:15 EST Subject: Disney and IOA Soundtrack To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10540 From: STINO999@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: stino999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have the Disney World and or IOA Sountrack. If so can they please send me any songs they can. It would be greatly appreciated (since it would save me a trip to the stores to get a christmas present). Thanks, Stephen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Nov 25 06:10:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 14:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 30668 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 14:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 14:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 14:10:08 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.112.837195b (17080) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:10:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <112.837195b.293255bd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:10:05 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and IOA Soundtrack To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan I have the WDW Official Album from Feb. 2001. I will CD-Burn it to you all I nead is your adresss. Dainan From haveingfun1us@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 07:04:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: haveingfun1us@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 15:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 28430 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 15:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 15:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web21003.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.227.57) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 15:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20011125150456.20882.qmail@web21003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.186.217.33] by web21003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:04:56 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:04:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and IOA Soundtrack To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <112.837195b.293255bd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: tom ham X-Yahoo-Profile: haveingfun1us put me on your list please --- CoasterDainan@aol.com wrote: > I have the WDW Official Album from Feb. 2001. I > will CD-Burn it to you all I > nead is your adresss. > > Dainan > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From STINO999@aol.com Sun Nov 25 08:34:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 16:34:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 45549 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 16:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 16:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 16:34:52 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.2d.14a121ce (3734) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:34:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d.14a121ce.293277a8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:34:48 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and IOA Soundtrack To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10528 From: STINO999@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: stino999 From STINO999@aol.com Sun Nov 25 08:35:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: STINO999@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 16:35:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 45526 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 16:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 16:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 16:35:57 -0000 Received: from STINO999@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.3e.15025a4e (3734) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:35:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3e.15025a4e.293277e5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:35:49 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and IOA Soundtrack To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10528 From: STINO999@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: stino999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have the WDW Official Album from Feb. 2001. I > will CD-Burn it to you all I > nead is your adresss. > > Dainan > Thanks so much! My address is 20 Midfield Street, Stony Brook NY 11790 Thank you again [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Nov 25 11:36:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 19:36:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 80382 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 19:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 19:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 19:36:33 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.127.7aa8727 (15700) for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-1125143629; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:36:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:36:29 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and IOA Soundtrack To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <127.7aa8727.2932a23d@aol.com> From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk <<<> I have the WDW Official Album from Feb. 2001. I > will CD-Burn it to you all I > nead is your adresss. > > Dainan > Thanks so much! My address is 20 Midfield Street, Stony Brook NY 11790 Thank you again >>> Private E-Mails Please. We don't need the list cluttered up with private adresses, and you don't want your private addresses in the public archives of Yahoo groups.. Josh -RCT Moderator- From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Nov 25 13:18:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 21:18:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 24588 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 21:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 21:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.170.101) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 21:18:17 -0000 Received: from verizon.net (lsanca1-ar1-010-171.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.10.171]) by out001pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fAPLJ0421300 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:19:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C01616E.EA737BD8@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:23:58 -0800 Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Disney and IOA Soundtrack References: <124.7fadd4e.2931e1ff@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I'm a bit sorry I didn't catch this earlier. But even though it's after the fact, and at the risk of sounding preachy.... This is illegal distribution guys. Pure and simple, and it doesn't belong on the list. It's a violation of the list guidelines and the yahoo TOS, and as such can actually cause our whole list to get shut down if Yahoo so desired. If the soundtracks were no longer easily available, that might have been another story. However you can buy them cheap enough, and legally, from the companie's websites, and that is the route that you should have explored. In the future, please refrain from requests like this on the list. thanks. George list owner. STINO999@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have the Disney World and or IOA Sountrack. If so can they please > send me any songs they can. It would be greatly appreciated (since it would > save me a trip to the stores to get a christmas present). > __________________________________________________________ Times change, life is up and down. But through everything God remains the same. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 16:17:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 00:17:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 7664 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 00:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 00:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20407.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.126) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 00:17:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20011126001722.39434.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.137.99.88] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:17:22 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:17:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: IOA- November 15, 2001 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The Place: Islands of Adventure The Date: November 15, 2001 Last Visit: March, 1999 (soft opening) The Weather: Pretty warm (until the wet rides) The Reason I went: I wanted to re-visit one of the best theme parks on the planet “So you see! There’s no end To the things you might know, Depending how far Beyond Zebra you go!” Dr. Seuss, On Beyond Zebra Now, many people have said I do not like theme parks. For the most part that is really not the case. I do not mind themeing when it is done well. As I have said many times- Warner Brothers backlot, DC Comics Plaza, etc., equals BAD themeing and theme concepts. But Seuss Landing and Lost Continent? In a word, amazing. Feeling like I was back in Nashville we squeezed three in the cab of Bill’s radio-less truck at the hotel. Mark jumped in the backseat (the only thing missing was someone’s toothless cousin) and it was off to the lighthouse. The last time I was at IOA I only rode Hulk, Dueling Dragons and Jurassic Park, so in many ways this was like a first visit. We bailed out of the white machine, headed over to the entrance where the staff handed out Hawaiian paraphernalia and waited about 20 minutes until the gates opened. The people moved forward and it was on to Hulk (Bolliger & Mabillard, 1999, sit-down looper). The queue line is one of the best-themed coaster lines I have seen…but I have not waited in it yet! We walked on to the train and were on the first one out in the front seat. I only rode in the back last time, so the view of the tires was pretty neat. Although not as fast as some others, the launch up Hulk’s lift is still one of my favorites and the corkscrew at the top is just icing on the cake. Down into one of my favorite cobra rolls and that great loop and tunnel. After this point, however, the ride loses some punch and falls into that old coaster cliché of “the first half sizzles, the second half fizzles.” No, this does not mean that Hulk is a bad ride. Simply that it does not have a good punch all the way through (Kumba remains my favorite sit-down looper in the state, Scorpion is second and Hulk is third). The trains are still some of the coolest out there. After our first ride we took one more in the back, which is still my favorite seat on the train. The Amazing Adventures of Spiderman was next. Now, for the most part I do not like simulators, in fact Back to the Future was the only one that had ever made me want to climb on again (and on my last ride on that a friend had a severe hangover and almost did the Technicolor yawn in the Delorean…but that’s another story). Most simulators seem to merely imitate life (i.e. a ride on a coaster, flying, etc.), things I can experience at the park I already paid to get into (by really riding a roller coaster, riding the drop ride, etc.). So, Spiderman, especially with ALL the hype surrounding it, had to live up to some rather lofty expectations. We walked quickly through the queue (which was not a problem as I had waited 45 minutes for the ride on my last visit- only for it to break down) and after waiting a few minutes grabbed our glasses and boarded the “scoop” in the front seat. We were released and the show started. One thing I noticed immediately was that ride vehicle positioned itself so riders could not see the track (I think I only saw it once during the ride), which helps create the out of control feeling. I will not go through every trick in Spiderman, but let me say that the experience as a whole blew me away. It was immersive, had a good storyline (even for someone like myself who does not like comics and is only reminded of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons when they are mentioned) and the in-your-face scenes are very hard to get used to. I jumped a LOT on the first ride as things like looking down the barrel of a gun, albeit an animated one was very hard to get used to. Spiderman is a credit to those who built it, a multi-sensory experience that delights and wows. What works are the little things like the water droplets on passengers’ faces, the heat from the flaming Jack-o-Lantern and this very cool tidbit, which I found at http://www.islandsofadventure.com “As an interesting insider bonus, check out the movie theater's phone number, 224-1783. When the ride first opened, calls to that number with the local 407 area code found an answering machine message explaining how the theater is closed due to the Sinister Syndicate and will remain that way until Spider-Man remedies the situation. Sadly, the number has since been disconnected.” In the end, the people who built Spiderman, much like the people behind the park, seemed to care that I had a good and thrilling experience. Although amazing, I do wonder if Spiderman will have the same “get me back in line!” feeling it does now in a few years. I guess only time will tell. One of the world’s most elaborately themed space shots sat next door, so we decided to walk on (literally!). Dr. Doom’s Fear Fall (S&S Power, 1999, Space Shot), like the rest of the park, has a great queue that I did not get to appreciate. On my last visit I sat in the seats, got locked in and waited for ten excruciating minutes as the rig rose slightly then malfunctioned. I say excruciating because this would have been my first space shot (I waited until Cedar Point later that year). This time, the doors opened and there were no problems. Again, I was amazed that the seats had little things like spikes on the bottom of the OTSRs, a small pod over rider’s heads (like on an electric chair) and a neat cloud of fog through which the rig was launched. Aside from the themeing, this was the best pop of airtime I have received on the S&S shots I have been on (Cedar Point, Dorney, Park and Six Flags New England). Something from going up to (roughly) 200 feet in a matter of seconds still manages to amaze me. After grabbing a cheeseburger and beer it was through the wonderfully themed Toon Lagoon to Dudley Do-Right’s Ripsaw Falls (Mack, 1999, Log Flume). The toon area was one where I just wish I had had the time to paw through every nook and cranny to check out the themeing. Because time was short we hopped in the queue where I again encountered the same problem. I wanted to ride this numerous times to appreciate what the designers had done. The queue seemed to go on forever, passing mounted heads that talked, detailed “wooden” handrails and television sets showing our hero versus the evil Snidely Whiplash. We decided to split up, in part because Eric did not want to get wet (worked well, huh Eric?), so Bill & I boarded first. Again, I do not remember all the details. But, there were several high points. One was the jokes that were all over the ride. Signs that seem to have come right out of the cartoon told countless bad puns that had me, a lover of old cartoons & bad jokes, rolling. Instead of using traditional belts Mack likes the chain lift to raise their boats up the hills. This works well for me because Universal did a great job keeping the story going throughout the entire ride. This means that even up the chain lifts there was action around us to keep a sense of forward motion going and I forgot that there was a break in the action. There were two good drops, one in complete darkness, but neither compared to the final one. After Snidley’s bombs exploded around the boat we got massive air as we flew down the hill. My hands came down as the log flew under a shed and up over the airtime hop. WOW! Mark said it best- we need more Mack flumes. Another great experience that gives a good, albeit wet, time. Oh, Eric? He came off soaked. While wet we headed to what I consider the best white water raft built today (my former favorite was the wet romp through the Connecticut countryside at Lake Compounce). Popeye & Bluto's Bilge-Rat Barges were not intimidating but before we got on Mark did say that Dudley do-Right was nothing compared this and that Barr (who have worked on some of the wettest water rides out there) were involved. When we entered the station there was NO one there, simply four people getting out of a boat- and they were DRENCHED from head to toe. Our op pointed the way to our boat (made by a company at IAAPA, but whose name I forget) and we boarded. One of the smartest features was made readily evident at the beginning. In the middle of the tub there were spots for personal items that could be covered and kept dry. After exiting the station the raft picked up speed and never stopped. Two things amazed me about this rapids ride- how fast they moved through the trough and how long the ride is. The boat moves down course at a great speed with constant spinning, which assures everyone gets wet. Again, between the fact that it was nighttime and we only did it once (for good reason) here are a few memorable moments: -Eric took the first big wave, the water gods still angry at his denouncement of their product -As we quietly passed under “Me Ship the Olive” it dumped countless gallons on Mark from an overturned steam spout- cursing ensued -As we got on a huge lift, Mark said that we were not going to believe what was on the other side, he was right. The drop & subsequent turn looked too tight for a circular boat to make and the trip back to the station was drenching & fast We disembarked soaked & a little cold and headed over to Jurassic Park and the JP River Adventure. This shoot-the-chutes is probably my least favorite water attraction at IOA. It does not get you very wet and the story, while fun, barely pulled me in the first time and did not enthrall me at all on this trip. There was a good drop at the ride’s end, except for where Bill and I banged our knees on the boat at the bottom of the drop. Some more beer and on to one of Vekoma’s best coasters (no lie!) Flying Unicorn (Vekoma, 2000, Custom roller skater). The station for this large roller skater was done better than many stations that house much larger coasters. It had beautiful chandeliers that flickered in the nighttime sky and ran two trains (unlike a certain other roller coaster which we will get to later). It was fast for its size and I feel it is always nice to have a mid-sized coaster for the little ones in the family, especially at a park that has three other monster-sized machines. Now it was time to experience the coaster that most love and few hate, that awesome piece of machinery called Dueling Dragons (Bolliger & Mabillard, 1999, Inverted Dueling). The queue entrance is still intimidating, especially tonight when they were not using it and we had to figure our own way through the exit line. As many others said, the big “no no” was using one train on each track. Lines hovered between 15 and 45 minutes that night, kind of a shame since the park had virtually no lines and ran two trains when it was open to the GP during the daytime. You know the layout, so I will not go into that. But, I am even more blown away by fire than on my last visit. It has earned a spot in Adam’s top tier because that coaster is just SO good. I am still amazed that everyone seems to downtalk Ice Dragon like they do. I have to think at least part of that is because of whom it has to compete with. Sure, Ice Dragon is no Fire, but I do think it is one of the better inverteds I have experienced. Because of lines we took only three rides on the dragons tonight, one in Fire’s backseat, one in Ice’s middle and another in Fire’s back. One of the best drops out there backed by the best Immelman, which leads into the airtime hill and the sweet, sweet inversion without a name. I do not know what this is, but the airtime/laterals combination is just awesome. Definitely one of Walter & Claude’s best contraptions to-date. I just want to ride it so much more! Still working our way around the park it was time for a bathroom break and Poseidon’s Fury (yes, in that order). As someone who NEVER watches shows, I was a little unsure about PF, but everyone who had seen it assured me that A) it was not really a show and B) it was damn good, which was good enough for me. The pillars surrounding the attraction’s entrance are massive, as if they had been there for many years. The preshow was long and drawn out (i.e. boring), but it was worth it once the show started. The effects were dazzling, such as the door opening into a tunnel of water, the room turning into a huge stage (and back again) and it had a good story to tie things together. This is just another reason why IOA is a family theme park that offers everyone something to do. People who do not like rides (and even those who do) will be wowed by what this attraction has to offer. It really bothered me that I never got on the Carousseusel (Morgan, 1999, animated carousel), or anything from Seuss landing, during my first trip, so I was like a kid wanting to get on this thing. Stepping back from the carousel building one sees zany spinning objects and even Horton, perhaps hearing his Who, looking out on the whole of Seuss landing. I hopped on next to Bill and, after waiting a bit to make sure everyone got on, the carousel started to spin at a good rate. Morgan created some magic with this ride because, for those of you who have not seen it, each individual character has a piece that can be moved by the rider- in my case it was the nose, which moved by a lever that was on the neck. Amusement parks are about bringing magic to life and I can think of few rides that combine childlike whimsy and curiosity together as they do on the Carosseussel, it is arguably the best fiberglass carousel ever built. I also applaud the designers of IOA for remembering that EVERY park, no matter what the size, needs a carousel of some sort. Another beer was enjoyed and it was off to One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish (Zierer, 1999, Circular Flat with Effects). If you know the words, sing it with me, “One Fish, Red Fish- Up, Up, Up. Two Fish, Blue Fish- Down, Down, Down.” For those of you (unfortunately) not acquainted with the ride, you must follow the song and take your fish up or down depending upon what it says. For a first-time rider I did not do too badly, but Eric (being anti-H2O as usual) caught the full brunt of the aquatic force this Seussian dynamo contains. Like the rest of the park, this ride amazed me with the care and thought that went behind it. Again, I felt that someone with a great imagination thought this up and that the concept was held together throughout the construction process. It is rare that you find rides where the end theme and concept are as good (if not better) than the designer intended, but at IOA it is amazingly commonplace. The last new ride of the night was The Cat in The Hat. Like a carousel, no good park should be without a dark ride. I am getting tired of hearing how they are passé, just look at the smiling faces coming off this and you can’t tell me everyone in the family will not like it. The story is quite simple and involves some of my favorite characters, such as the Cat, both Thing 1 and Thing 2 and, of course, that meddlesome fish that pops up everywhere- even the toilet. It is so neat to see a story like this come to life in a form that encompasses everything good about modern dark rides. The vehicles themselves were great as they spun crazily and at times had the stomach-turning force of a good Tilt-A-Whirl or Twister. I am just glad we got everything cleaned up and those things put away…because I hope to see that cat again when he comes out to play. We ended the night with a few more spins on Spiderman and I continued to be amazed. All in all I ended that night with a feeling that is sadly a rarity when I leave large theme parks- I wanted to stay for hours. Although the park does not have a huge plot of land or tons of rides, it does have that spark, that character, “something” that puts it head and shoulders above every other theme park in the city- and possibly the country. Attention to detail is something Disney prided itself on for money years. After my visit, I think the folks at Universal have picked up that torch. I felt the people designing and running the park wanted me to have a good day and feel my money was well-spent- to dismiss this place as merely another “theme park” is not to understand what Islands of Adventure really is. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 16:18:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 00:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 81780 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 00:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20405.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.124) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 00:18:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011126001822.1281.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.137.99.88] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:18:22 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:18:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: Extreme Rides 101 (or how I almost wet myself) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The Place: Orlando Florida- The IAAPA Show, Congo River Golf, Million Dollar Mulligans/Skycoaster Park and Old Town The Date: November 14-17, 2001 Last Visit: Never before (extreme ride virgin on these versions) The Weather: Beautiful, just a dash of rain here and there The Reason I went: To prove to myself that I could “It’s a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself.” American Beauty I have never liked the term “extreme rides.” It has always seemed like a BS term used by corporate suits for Mountain Dew or Taco Bell appealing to a brain-dead demographic that seems more fiction than fact. It seems that “upcharge” or “low capacity” would fit these rides better. But, I guess if even the Discovery Channel has stooped to utilize the term “extreme” to categorize these very different rides I will have to wallow in the mud and follow suit. These experiences were had over several days while in Orlando for the IAAPA convention. It is funny because many people automatically assume that since I ride coasters I must: A) not be afraid of heights B) do everything- from kiddie rides to skydiving. [Author’s Note: If you want to bypass the “I hate heights” speech skip to the next paragraph, although I feel that if any trip report deserves it, it is this one!] Well, for those who have not heard this rant of mine before, I loathe heights and new experiences. Anything over 20-30 feet really starts to bother me. Admittedly this has eased some with age, but for the most part I still feel a little shaky when riding up- be it on a lift hill or ferris wheel. In addition, I do not like doing things that I have not ridden. Any sort of mid-sized coaster or somewhat intense flat ride (like, for instance my first ride on Talon and Downdraft during PPP weekend this fall) gives me butterflies in my stomach. Coming into this week I had only done two “extreme” rides, a 150-foot skycoaster at Six Flags St. Louis in 1999 and a standard Gravity Works Ejector Seat at Planet Bungee in Panama City, Florida in March, 2001. I had seen the Skyscraper ride upon my last visit to Orlando in 1999 and had viewed this same style of ride at Dorney Park and a little different one at Planet Bungee. All three had caused trepidation and I just could not bring myself to ride them. Before flying down to Florida I knew I had five arch nemeses- The new Slingshot in Old Town, the Turbo Force on the trade show floor, the Katanga Skyscraper at Congo River Golf, the SCAD tower on the trade show floor and the 300-foot skycoaster at Million Dollar Mulligans. The first one I felt I would ride, the second two were up in the air and the last two I felt I would just enjoy like artwork- appreciated only from afar. How wrong I was. [For reference I will do these in order of the afore-mentioned fear factor, not in the order ridden. So you know, the order experienced was: Turbo Force- 11/14-11/17 SCAD Tower 11/16-11/17 Skycoaster 11/16-11/17 Spring Shot 11/16 Skyscraper 11/17] “What Goes Up Must Come Down.” Spring Shot (http://www.funtime.com.au/) Since I never saw a sign that had this ride’s official name, I will simply call it by the manufacturer’s generic one. As I said, the Spring Shot represented only a small "butterflies in the stomach" sensation because this ride really does not do a whole lot. I simply assumed this was, in essence, a larger version of the ride I enjoyed last spring. We walked up shortly after riding the skycoaster, one of the people running it said they were shut down and I saw that the car was hung in the air for the night. He said to come back tomorrow, so we walked off to the coaster a little disconcerted. Later, as we were approached our car we saw the ride in action once again and were a little pissed off. So, hurrying over to the booth we waited in short line (it was open to IAAPA attendees, only) and were again told by the same guy that was closed. Luckily one of the men from the Austrian office was kind enough to say we could ride, so Mark and I stepped in. One thing I disliked immediately was the OTSR that also had a large pole coming out in front of it- the Gravity Works 5-point harness is just as safe and light years ahead in comfort. After being strapped in we waited as the springs compressed and the rig faced straight up- a very nice touch. After a little while the cables were taut and we were shot up. The launch was not that intense, just a little faster than a good space shot. The only unnerving part was when we past the tops of the towers and just kept going, as if our acceleration would never stop. The cable’s apex was neat as it was dead silent at 350 feet; all I could hear was a little wind whispering in and around my ears. Overall it was very cool to be so high above the ground and it was so quiet it felt like we were attached to nothing. After a few more bounces we were held at the (roughly) 200-foot level for a few minutes before the rig was lowered. Except for the height factor I felt the Gravity Works ride was better. Both have launches that are not intense, but at least the GW ride had some good, almost violent, flipping while the Funtime version rolled only a little bit. “You Spin Me Round, Round- Like A Record, Baby” Turbo Force (http://www.zamperlarides.com/main/turbo_force.htm) vs. the Skyscraper (http://www.gravityworks.com/idx_sky.html) As I mentioned earlier, the closest I got on my last visit to one of these things in Orlando was the ticket counter- I just could not bring myself to ride the Katanga Skyscraper. After getting my job and knowing I would be at IAAPA, I figured I should give both of these rides a spin. The first one I got on was Zamperla’s Turbo Force. It was shown (and I believe debuted) at IAAPA 2000 and was back again on the Magical Midway for 2001. On the first day of the show I felt I needed a shot in the arm for my sales, so I figured it was time to step on this bad boy. With many gawkers watching from the sides I sat down in the plastic Soriani “butt mold” seat and the OTSR was lowered. Instead of using a locking mechanism at the back of the head, the Turbo Force has a separate arm connected to each OTSR that fits in a groove along the side and locks. This way the OTSR can only be opened by the ride op. After the restraints were checked we did one revolution at a good clip, but when the car came around the second time I felt the motor accelerating and that’s when the fun started. My favorite part of the Turbo Force is the flipping action. Not only do you get thrown upside down, but there is some violent airtime as you are tossed out of the seat into the restraints. Those over-the-top moments where you are launched from the ride are awesome- the closest I will ever come to being placed on a cartoon catapult like Wile E. Coyote (genius, pure genius). The force over the top is powerful and much more intense than I anticipated. After circa. six spins the arm slowed and we were held while the other end loaded. For me, this was the most unnerving part of the ride as, if you have the heavier set of people, you are facing towards the ground. But, it does give you some time to talk with the riders located behind you. After waiting a few minutes the ride spins in the opposite direction. Aside from being thrown out of the seat the other good moments on the ride were the “dive bomb” flip, usually the first full-speed cycle, where the car went over the top at just the right angle so the riders going backwards were flung to the ground headfirst. While not the most intense extreme ride, the Turbo Force it is nice because each spin is a little different than the last and the back-to-back seating provides a variable that plays out differently with each ride. I found the Turbo Force to be a very enjoyable experience that is a very good buy for traveling carnivals. It gives them a decent capacity upcharge attraction that racks onto one trailer, a nice feat of carnival engineering. Saturday night we went over to the Katanga Skyscraper, a ride whose reputation has grown throughout the enthusiast community. The closest I had gotten before was to look at it from the parking lot as, in a group of eight, two others and myself opted out while five rode. I was not as intimidated with it as in that spring of ‘99, but was still a little apprehensive as we pulled into the parking lot and saw that propeller sitting there, lit by some neon strands and several spotlights. Being the wuss I am I said I was not riding alone, although the op was kind enough to let Eric ride twice so that problem never surfaced. Since there was no line we boarded and climbed in the seats. I do like the Gravity Works seats as they are conducive to lots of riding and the restraints are heaven. Unlike the Ejector Seat GW decided against a five-point harness and designed a restraint that is roughly two L’s of belts that come across the shoulders and angle across the stomach. This provides a snug fit but plenty of space for upper body movement. I felt nervous as the ride op flashed us a smile and we were up, up and away. After the first revolution the difference between the two rides was readily evident. This thing spun FAST (although I must note that the Turbo Force was trailer-mounted & I am guessing that if a park owner wanted to run a permanent version nearly this fast it would be possible), so fast that I could readily feel the G’s in my ankles and calves. At the bottom half of each ride you could feel the wind howl as the car sped through the night. After many spins we were held at the top before the car was reversed and we did the loop backwards so the car came over the top, but we only got one good dive bomb in before the ride was over and I got off a little dazed. Comparison- So which did I like better? Well, there were good and bad points to each ride. Between the two the Turbo Force had much better airtime and flipping while the Skyscraper was a big, intense circle. The thing that bothered me about the Skyscraper was that after a few spins it felt more like a Larson Super Loop stuck on full throttle (just continuous loops) with no real flipping. Add in the fact that Gravity Works is offering a new OTSR system for their rides to help with capacity (they look as comfortable as Zamperla’s) and I have to give the Turbo Force the edge for the better ride. Yes, the Skyscraper was more intense…but it was also too predictable. “Yeah I’m Free, Free Fallin’.” SCAD Tower (http://www.montic.de/) vs. the 300-foot Skycoaster (http://www.skycoaster.cc and (http://www.ridewarrior.com/Thrillridearchives/skycoaster/skycoaster.html) The scene- Friday Afternoon. I had known Eric for a little over 24 hours and he was trying to convince me to be dropped into a net with him. It just did not seem like a good idea. After deciding I was NOT getting on we saw the Turbo Force running, so we headed over for a quick ride. We meandered back, the line was longer and, after staring non-stop at the thing for what seemed forever (about two minutes) and listening to his lines of “I really think you’ll enjoy it” I told him I was riding. That was when the knot began to form in my stomach. Because of the slow throughput the wait, which ended up being an hour from the end of the line to the cage, felt like an eternity. I tried to make small talk with Eric, but I was scared through and through. He entertained me with the story of how he had jumped yesterday with some park reps. and felt a little uncomfortable because he went third and the wind was blowing so hard that it caused him to wait a little while for his jump before it calmed down. Great. Just what I needed to hear. One of my stipulations for getting in line was that I would be going first. While most people scared of things seem to like going last, I like being terrified first instead of having to watch others do it before me. I was handed the harness, which was a cross between a skycoaster harness and one of those fold up camping chairs. Basically it was a piece of material about 1.5 feet wide and went from my shoulders to my legs. You dove in it like a skycoaster restraint and there were four main points (the shoulders and knees) where a strap came out to connect at a center point around my stomach (the best pics I could find are at http://www.montic.de/montic%20site/site-e/pages/rides.html , scroll down to “Attendants and Harnessing.”). I watched the final trio do their jumps. It looked quick enough. They were lifted up 120 feet; they were lowered one by one out of the crane cage and then dropped into the net with a loud SMACK. After the last one jumped it was our turn. It took all the strength I could muster to walk over the net and into that cage. We were each locked into the cage via a carabineer on a rope and our “drop guy” gave the crane op a thumbs up. As we rose Adam’s Rule of Heights® kicked in. For those unfamiliar with it, my theorem states that, “Things always look twice as high in the air as they do from the ground.” I do not know a lot about math or science, I am not a man of numbers- but this rule has never failed me yet. On our way up I looked up the cable and figured we were almost there. Eric asked the guy, “How high are we?” “About half-way,” the op responded. Great. I made it a point not to look down, but gazing across and seeing that we were above Zamperla’s Z-Force and almost even with the Turbo Force did not help the situation. After a little while longer we stopped, the op looked at me, my heart sank even lower and I knew it was time. Doing some quick movements he changed my lock from the cage carabineer to one attached to a large web of locks and rope. He told me to sit down in the harness and to my surprise it was quite comfortable. I tucked my head in as I was lowered out into the air. I could not hear anything but the wind in the air and my heart thumping in my chest. The “I Want to Get Off Now” feeling came, but I knew there was no way I was getting out of this without plunging to the earth first. I looked up. The op fiddled with the locks and said, “I am going to release you on one. Three.” Click. I was falling, holding onto the harness wondering when and if I was going to stop, wondering why I had even done this, wondering why I had not talked to that attractive British woman for a lot longer this morning since I was going to never see her again because I was going to be dead and SMACK- I hit the net. As adrenaline surged through my veins I was lowered to the ground; excited, alive, feeling like I could jump out of a plane with no problem (that last one was strictly the adrenaline talking). I stepped out of the net, cool, confident, no wet spot on my pants. Even though tons of other people enjoyed the ride during the trade show I really felt like I had accomplished something. After Eric fell I thanked him for helping talk me into this and we headed back into the trade show. I felt like I could take on anything- and shortly would have to. Later that night I escaped from the parties a little later than I had hoped and ran up I-drive in my blister-clad feet and dress shoes. I gave my ride a call and about ten minutes later met Mark, Bill and Eric in the foyer. We were heading to Old Town. I was being driven to my death. We all made small talk about our respective days and then as we headed down the highway Mark pointed it out. There, on the horizon stood a 300-foot A-frame. My pseudo bravado from earlier in the day faded as the white structure drew closer and closer. Mark managed to quash any other hopes I had of feeling a little better as he stated that we were heading to the skycoaster first- no roller coaster, no ejection seat, no mercy by beginning slowly. For those of you wondering what I thought as I stared up the rear tower and saw three tiny people attached to a string, refer simply to American Pie. Remember the part where everyone was watching the computer and group after group said, “Holy s!&#”? Well, this was the same situation, except there was no naked woman involved and I was the one who kept saying that phrase over and over in my head as my legs turned to jelly. I walked over, knowing what a walk to the death chamber feels like. We stopped for a much-needed beer and headed over to the booth. All the while phrases like, “That’s INSANE,” “Look how high they are,” and “You could NEVER get me to do that,” echoed around me- just the positive reinforcement I needed. After paying around $25 we walked down to the boarding area and got in line. I could barely bring myself to watch as group after group took one minute to get pulled up three hundred feet, took only a second to fall and whizzed by so fast that the cable made a loud buzzing sound. Shortly thereafter our new friend Eric (a skycoaster op) let us into the dressing area where we waited for the red suits, which were in short supply. We slowly inched forward as our op somehow brought up topic of Bea Arthur naked- when you start talking about things like THAT, dropping 300 feet to your death does not seem so bad. However, it was soon our turn. I waved goodbye to Bill and we walked out to the first yellow line. The group in front of us was just ending their ride. With my footbar in hand and my courage lagging about ten feet behind me we walked down the ramp to the blue loading cube. We climbed aboard, the other team was disconnected and then it came, “Flyers switch places.” I meagerly followed the other two and got hooked up. After being hooked the floor lowered out from under us and then, laying only a few inches above quickly receding mat, I knew there was no turning back. After we were set free we floated back and then forward again because the tow cable was so long it took that much time to pick up the slack- thus began the longest minute of my life. Between Mark and Eric giving me s%*# and me responding with half-assed attempts at shaky humor we climbed higher into the night sky. Comments like “there’s St. Louis’s ride” (circa the 150-foot mark), “there’s Universal” and “Oh my God, this is insane,” did not help calm my nerves as we were towed up the tower. I became more unnerved as I looked out directly at the A-frame and then we collectively realized that the cables were so long that their slack hung in front of and below us by twenty feet. I finally gave in to my fear and had to hold on with both hands because the ground looked so far away and the platform, as Mark so eloquently put it before the trip, looked like a postage stamp. All of the sudden a voice crackled through the air, “3. 2. 1. FLY!” After a second’s hesitation we pitched face first for about 75-100 feet before the cables caught us. For a few seconds I understood what Bill Kitchen meant when he said that you felt you could fly. The drop was incredible. Between the screaming roar of the cable, the fact that my stomach remained up at the top of the tower and looking straight down into that black lake at 75 m.p.h. all combined to make it one hell of a ride. When we finally got off I was all smiles- just physically exhausted. I definitely owe everyone who helped “nudge” me into riding and Mark & Eric for putting up with my crap as we climbed the tower. It was one of the best park experiences I have had. Comparison: I must have liked both as I did the SCAD once more on Saturday and the Skycoaster three times on Saturday night. Comparing two good rides like this is hard as even though their main feature, a freefall, is the same, they are two different experiences. I think one of the things that made the SCAD drop not too scary for me, besides the obvious “low” height, was the fact that you are dropped face up, so the fear factor does not build with time as on the skycoaster. I came to the conclusion that the actual drop on the SCAD tower was better, but I think the overall skycoaster experience, at least from the standpoint of someone scared of heights, was better. Do not get me wrong, they are both great rides, but I think the entire skycoaster ride gave a more intimidating and exhilarating ride, plus it varied a little bit on each drop. If they ever get a 300-foot SCAD or that 500-foot skycoaster built, I will be there. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 16:18:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 00:18:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 2217 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 00:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 00:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.123) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 00:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20011126001832.99248.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.137.99.88] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:18:32 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:18:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: Extreme Rides 101 (or how I almost wet myself) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The Place: Orlando Florida- The IAAPA Show, Congo River Golf, Million Dollar Mulligans/Skycoaster Park and Old Town The Date: November 14-17, 2001 Last Visit: Never before (extreme ride virgin on these versions) The Weather: Beautiful, just a dash of rain here and there The Reason I went: To prove to myself that I could “It’s a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself.” American Beauty I have never liked the term “extreme rides.” It has always seemed like a BS term used by corporate suits for Mountain Dew or Taco Bell appealing to a brain-dead demographic that seems more fiction than fact. It seems that “upcharge” or “low capacity” would fit these rides better. But, I guess if even the Discovery Channel has stooped to utilize the term “extreme” to categorize these very different rides I will have to wallow in the mud and follow suit. These experiences were had over several days while in Orlando for the IAAPA convention. It is funny because many people automatically assume that since I ride coasters I must: A) not be afraid of heights B) do everything- from kiddie rides to skydiving. [Author’s Note: If you want to bypass the “I hate heights” speech skip to the next paragraph, although I feel that if any trip report deserves it, it is this one!] Well, for those who have not heard this rant of mine before, I loathe heights and new experiences. Anything over 20-30 feet really starts to bother me. Admittedly this has eased some with age, but for the most part I still feel a little shaky when riding up- be it on a lift hill or ferris wheel. In addition, I do not like doing things that I have not ridden. Any sort of mid-sized coaster or somewhat intense flat ride (like, for instance my first ride on Talon and Downdraft during PPP weekend this fall) gives me butterflies in my stomach. Coming into this week I had only done two “extreme” rides, a 150-foot skycoaster at Six Flags St. Louis in 1999 and a standard Gravity Works Ejector Seat at Planet Bungee in Panama City, Florida in March, 2001. I had seen the Skyscraper ride upon my last visit to Orlando in 1999 and had viewed this same style of ride at Dorney Park and a little different one at Planet Bungee. All three had caused trepidation and I just could not bring myself to ride them. Before flying down to Florida I knew I had five arch nemeses- The new Slingshot in Old Town, the Turbo Force on the trade show floor, the Katanga Skyscraper at Congo River Golf, the SCAD tower on the trade show floor and the 300-foot skycoaster at Million Dollar Mulligans. The first one I felt I would ride, the second two were up in the air and the last two I felt I would just enjoy like artwork- appreciated only from afar. How wrong I was. [For reference I will do these in order of the afore-mentioned fear factor, not in the order ridden. So you know, the order experienced was: Turbo Force- 11/14-11/17 SCAD Tower 11/16-11/17 Skycoaster 11/16-11/17 Spring Shot 11/16 Skyscraper 11/17] “What Goes Up Must Come Down.” Spring Shot (http://www.funtime.com.au/) Since I never saw a sign that had this ride’s official name, I will simply call it by the manufacturer’s generic one. As I said, the Spring Shot represented only a small "butterflies in the stomach" sensation because this ride really does not do a whole lot. I simply assumed this was, in essence, a larger version of the ride I enjoyed last spring. We walked up shortly after riding the skycoaster, one of the people running it said they were shut down and I saw that the car was hung in the air for the night. He said to come back tomorrow, so we walked off to the coaster a little disconcerted. Later, as we were approached our car we saw the ride in action once again and were a little pissed off. So, hurrying over to the booth we waited in short line (it was open to IAAPA attendees, only) and were again told by the same guy that was closed. Luckily one of the men from the Austrian office was kind enough to say we could ride, so Mark and I stepped in. One thing I disliked immediately was the OTSR that also had a large pole coming out in front of it- the Gravity Works 5-point harness is just as safe and light years ahead in comfort. After being strapped in we waited as the springs compressed and the rig faced straight up- a very nice touch. After a little while the cables were taut and we were shot up. The launch was not that intense, just a little faster than a good space shot. The only unnerving part was when we past the tops of the towers and just kept going, as if our acceleration would never stop. The cable’s apex was neat as it was dead silent at 350 feet; all I could hear was a little wind whispering in and around my ears. Overall it was very cool to be so high above the ground and it was so quiet it felt like we were attached to nothing. After a few more bounces we were held at the (roughly) 200-foot level for a few minutes before the rig was lowered. Except for the height factor I felt the Gravity Works ride was better. Both have launches that are not intense, but at least the GW ride had some good, almost violent, flipping while the Funtime version rolled only a little bit. “You Spin Me Round, Round- Like A Record, Baby” Turbo Force (http://www.zamperlarides.com/main/turbo_force.htm) vs. the Skyscraper (http://www.gravityworks.com/idx_sky.html) As I mentioned earlier, the closest I got on my last visit to one of these things in Orlando was the ticket counter- I just could not bring myself to ride the Katanga Skyscraper. After getting my job and knowing I would be at IAAPA, I figured I should give both of these rides a spin. The first one I got on was Zamperla’s Turbo Force. It was shown (and I believe debuted) at IAAPA 2000 and was back again on the Magical Midway for 2001. On the first day of the show I felt I needed a shot in the arm for my sales, so I figured it was time to step on this bad boy. With many gawkers watching from the sides I sat down in the plastic Soriani “butt mold” seat and the OTSR was lowered. Instead of using a locking mechanism at the back of the head, the Turbo Force has a separate arm connected to each OTSR that fits in a groove along the side and locks. This way the OTSR can only be opened by the ride op. After the restraints were checked we did one revolution at a good clip, but when the car came around the second time I felt the motor accelerating and that’s when the fun started. My favorite part of the Turbo Force is the flipping action. Not only do you get thrown upside down, but there is some violent airtime as you are tossed out of the seat into the restraints. Those over-the-top moments where you are launched from the ride are awesome- the closest I will ever come to being placed on a cartoon catapult like Wile E. Coyote (genius, pure genius). The force over the top is powerful and much more intense than I anticipated. After circa. six spins the arm slowed and we were held while the other end loaded. For me, this was the most unnerving part of the ride as, if you have the heavier set of people, you are facing towards the ground. But, it does give you some time to talk with the riders located behind you. After waiting a few minutes the ride spins in the opposite direction. Aside from being thrown out of the seat the other good moments on the ride were the “dive bomb” flip, usually the first full-speed cycle, where the car went over the top at just the right angle so the riders going backwards were flung to the ground headfirst. While not the most intense extreme ride, the Turbo Force it is nice because each spin is a little different than the last and the back-to-back seating provides a variable that plays out differently with each ride. I found the Turbo Force to be a very enjoyable experience that is a very good buy for traveling carnivals. It gives them a decent capacity upcharge attraction that racks onto one trailer, a nice feat of carnival engineering. Saturday night we went over to the Katanga Skyscraper, a ride whose reputation has grown throughout the enthusiast community. The closest I had gotten before was to look at it from the parking lot as, in a group of eight, two others and myself opted out while five rode. I was not as intimidated with it as in that spring of ‘99, but was still a little apprehensive as we pulled into the parking lot and saw that propeller sitting there, lit by some neon strands and several spotlights. Being the wuss I am I said I was not riding alone, although the op was kind enough to let Eric ride twice so that problem never surfaced. Since there was no line we boarded and climbed in the seats. I do like the Gravity Works seats as they are conducive to lots of riding and the restraints are heaven. Unlike the Ejector Seat GW decided against a five-point harness and designed a restraint that is roughly two L’s of belts that come across the shoulders and angle across the stomach. This provides a snug fit but plenty of space for upper body movement. I felt nervous as the ride op flashed us a smile and we were up, up and away. After the first revolution the difference between the two rides was readily evident. This thing spun FAST (although I must note that the Turbo Force was trailer-mounted & I am guessing that if a park owner wanted to run a permanent version nearly this fast it would be possible), so fast that I could readily feel the G’s in my ankles and calves. At the bottom half of each ride you could feel the wind howl as the car sped through the night. After many spins we were held at the top before the car was reversed and we did the loop backwards so the car came over the top, but we only got one good dive bomb in before the ride was over and I got off a little dazed. Comparison- So which did I like better? Well, there were good and bad points to each ride. Between the two the Turbo Force had much better airtime and flipping while the Skyscraper was a big, intense circle. The thing that bothered me about the Skyscraper was that after a few spins it felt more like a Larson Super Loop stuck on full throttle (just continuous loops) with no real flipping. Add in the fact that Gravity Works is offering a new OTSR system for their rides to help with capacity (they look as comfortable as Zamperla’s) and I have to give the Turbo Force the edge for the better ride. Yes, the Skyscraper was more intense…but it was also too predictable. “Yeah I’m Free, Free Fallin’.” SCAD Tower (http://www.montic.de/) vs. the 300-foot Skycoaster (http://www.skycoaster.cc and (http://www.ridewarrior.com/Thrillridearchives/skycoaster/skycoaster.html) The scene- Friday Afternoon. I had known Eric for a little over 24 hours and he was trying to convince me to be dropped into a net with him. It just did not seem like a good idea. After deciding I was NOT getting on we saw the Turbo Force running, so we headed over for a quick ride. We meandered back, the line was longer and, after staring non-stop at the thing for what seemed forever (about two minutes) and listening to his lines of “I really think you’ll enjoy it” I told him I was riding. That was when the knot began to form in my stomach. Because of the slow throughput the wait, which ended up being an hour from the end of the line to the cage, felt like an eternity. I tried to make small talk with Eric, but I was scared through and through. He entertained me with the story of how he had jumped yesterday with some park reps. and felt a little uncomfortable because he went third and the wind was blowing so hard that it caused him to wait a little while for his jump before it calmed down. Great. Just what I needed to hear. One of my stipulations for getting in line was that I would be going first. While most people scared of things seem to like going last, I like being terrified first instead of having to watch others do it before me. I was handed the harness, which was a cross between a skycoaster harness and one of those fold up camping chairs. Basically it was a piece of material about 1.5 feet wide and went from my shoulders to my legs. You dove in it like a skycoaster restraint and there were four main points (the shoulders and knees) where a strap came out to connect at a center point around my stomach (the best pics I could find are at http://www.montic.de/montic%20site/site-e/pages/rides.html , scroll down to “Attendants and Harnessing.”). I watched the final trio do their jumps. It looked quick enough. They were lifted up 120 feet; they were lowered one by one out of the crane cage and then dropped into the net with a loud SMACK. After the last one jumped it was our turn. It took all the strength I could muster to walk over the net and into that cage. We were each locked into the cage via a carabineer on a rope and our “drop guy” gave the crane op a thumbs up. As we rose Adam’s Rule of Heights® kicked in. For those unfamiliar with it, my theorem states that, “Things always look twice as high in the air as they do from the ground.” I do not know a lot about math or science, I am not a man of numbers- but this rule has never failed me yet. On our way up I looked up the cable and figured we were almost there. Eric asked the guy, “How high are we?” “About half-way,” the op responded. Great. I made it a point not to look down, but gazing across and seeing that we were above Zamperla’s Z-Force and almost even with the Turbo Force did not help the situation. After a little while longer we stopped, the op looked at me, my heart sank even lower and I knew it was time. Doing some quick movements he changed my lock from the cage carabineer to one attached to a large web of locks and rope. He told me to sit down in the harness and to my surprise it was quite comfortable. I tucked my head in as I was lowered out into the air. I could not hear anything but the wind in the air and my heart thumping in my chest. The “I Want to Get Off Now” feeling came, but I knew there was no way I was getting out of this without plunging to the earth first. I looked up. The op fiddled with the locks and said, “I am going to release you on one. Three.” Click. I was falling, holding onto the harness wondering when and if I was going to stop, wondering why I had even done this, wondering why I had not talked to that attractive British woman for a lot longer this morning since I was going to never see her again because I was going to be dead and SMACK- I hit the net. As adrenaline surged through my veins I was lowered to the ground; excited, alive, feeling like I could jump out of a plane with no problem (that last one was strictly the adrenaline talking). I stepped out of the net, cool, confident, no wet spot on my pants. Even though tons of other people enjoyed the ride during the trade show I really felt like I had accomplished something. After Eric fell I thanked him for helping talk me into this and we headed back into the trade show. I felt like I could take on anything- and shortly would have to. Later that night I escaped from the parties a little later than I had hoped and ran up I-drive in my blister-clad feet and dress shoes. I gave my ride a call and about ten minutes later met Mark, Bill and Eric in the foyer. We were heading to Old Town. I was being driven to my death. We all made small talk about our respective days and then as we headed down the highway Mark pointed it out. There, on the horizon stood a 300-foot A-frame. My pseudo bravado from earlier in the day faded as the white structure drew closer and closer. Mark managed to quash any other hopes I had of feeling a little better as he stated that we were heading to the skycoaster first- no roller coaster, no ejection seat, no mercy by beginning slowly. For those of you wondering what I thought as I stared up the rear tower and saw three tiny people attached to a string, refer simply to American Pie. Remember the part where everyone was watching the computer and group after group said, “Holy s!&#”? Well, this was the same situation, except there was no naked woman involved and I was the one who kept saying that phrase over and over in my head as my legs turned to jelly. I walked over, knowing what a walk to the death chamber feels like. We stopped for a much-needed beer and headed over to the booth. All the while phrases like, “That’s INSANE,” “Look how high they are,” and “You could NEVER get me to do that,” echoed around me- just the positive reinforcement I needed. After paying around $25 we walked down to the boarding area and got in line. I could barely bring myself to watch as group after group took one minute to get pulled up three hundred feet, took only a second to fall and whizzed by so fast that the cable made a loud buzzing sound. Shortly thereafter our new friend Eric (a skycoaster op) let us into the dressing area where we waited for the red suits, which were in short supply. We slowly inched forward as our op somehow brought up topic of Bea Arthur naked- when you start talking about things like THAT, dropping 300 feet to your death does not seem so bad. However, it was soon our turn. I waved goodbye to Bill and we walked out to the first yellow line. The group in front of us was just ending their ride. With my footbar in hand and my courage lagging about ten feet behind me we walked down the ramp to the blue loading cube. We climbed aboard, the other team was disconnected and then it came, “Flyers switch places.” I meagerly followed the other two and got hooked up. After being hooked the floor lowered out from under us and then, laying only a few inches above quickly receding mat, I knew there was no turning back. After we were set free we floated back and then forward again because the tow cable was so long it took that much time to pick up the slack- thus began the longest minute of my life. Between Mark and Eric giving me s%*# and me responding with half-assed attempts at shaky humor we climbed higher into the night sky. Comments like “there’s St. Louis’s ride” (circa the 150-foot mark), “there’s Universal” and “Oh my God, this is insane,” did not help calm my nerves as we were towed up the tower. I became more unnerved as I looked out directly at the A-frame and then we collectively realized that the cables were so long that their slack hung in front of and below us by twenty feet. I finally gave in to my fear and had to hold on with both hands because the ground looked so far away and the platform, as Mark so eloquently put it before the trip, looked like a postage stamp. All of the sudden a voice crackled through the air, “3. 2. 1. FLY!” After a second’s hesitation we pitched face first for about 75-100 feet before the cables caught us. For a few seconds I understood what Bill Kitchen meant when he said that you felt you could fly. The drop was incredible. Between the screaming roar of the cable, the fact that my stomach remained up at the top of the tower and looking straight down into that black lake at 75 m.p.h. all combined to make it one hell of a ride. When we finally got off I was all smiles- just physically exhausted. I definitely owe everyone who helped “nudge” me into riding and Mark & Eric for putting up with my crap as we climbed the tower. It was one of the best park experiences I have had. Comparison: I must have liked both as I did the SCAD once more on Saturday and the Skycoaster three times on Saturday night. Comparing two good rides like this is hard as even though their main feature, a freefall, is the same, they are two different experiences. I think one of the things that made the SCAD drop not too scary for me, besides the obvious “low” height, was the fact that you are dropped face up, so the fear factor does not build with time as on the skycoaster. I came to the conclusion that the actual drop on the SCAD tower was better, but I think the overall skycoaster experience, at least from the standpoint of someone scared of heights, was better. Do not get me wrong, they are both great rides, but I think the entire skycoaster ride gave a more intimidating and exhilarating ride, plus it varied a little bit on each drop. If they ever get a 300-foot SCAD or that 500-foot skycoaster built, I will be there. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 16:19:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 00:19:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 85367 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 00:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 00:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20404.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.123) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 00:19:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20011126001955.99410.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.137.99.88] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:19:55 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:19:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: Sea World of Orlando- November 18, 2001 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The Place: Sea World of Florida The Date: November 18, 2001 Last Visit: 1989 The Weather: Warm with a few showers The Reason I went: Kraken and Journey to Atlantis I still do not understand why I keep getting up earlier on days I visit parks than the days I go to work, but it just keeps happening. Today was no exception as I was out front at 8:30. Shortly thereafter we headed to Sea World of Florida. I was not going to see the fish as I had done the “family” thing at both this park and the one in San Diego. No, this trip was to get on two monster rides and hopefully spend around four hours at the park. After paying seven dollars to park we walked over and entered, only to find that although the gate and front area of the park opened at nine, the rest did not open until ten. A little disappointed we ate at in the plaza and saw a few exhibits in the front of the park. The stingrays were neat (as usual) and the dolphins were very friendly because it was feeding time. We also went to a wonderful section called Manatee Rescue that let me see the animals I have supported via the “Save the Manatee Club” for some time. “Sea Cows” are still one of my marine life animals and it still bothers me that their destruction seems so close every year. But, you are not reading for a political lecture. Let me just say that Anheuser-Busch, a corporation that does a lot for the environment, did not disappoint with this exhibit. It managed to entertain, educate and get people up close with manatees, all of which are great things for this animal’s future. There was some nice music around the Manatee section as I heard Buffett and some reggae. But, other parts of the park had what amounted to little more than glorified Muzak. It would be nice if Busch could invest in some classical music. I think some classical standards, or even some Italian music from the Mediterranean, would give the park a more welcoming feel than if it shared the same Muzak as the Piggly Wiggly. After chatting with an attendant at the closed-off section of the park we headed back to Kraken (Bolliger and Mabillard, 2000, Floorless steel looper) after the gates opened at 10. I was surprised how many people were heading to the coaster, but our wait was not bad. In fact, the longest part of the line was waiting to get in the queue. The height guide is out front so we had to wait while parents tried to get kids “just” high enough in (I saw at least one rejected). The queue of the wonderfully named Kraken was very nice. Now, compared to some of the other Orlando parks this queue is not mind blowing, but compared to most other corporate themers (cough * SFOG’s Batman * cough) this was very well done. I also appreciated the fact that there were separate lines for the front and back seats. The ride ops were moving pretty randomly, sometimes they would hustle and dispatch right as the other train passed the mid-course brake, other times they stacked for quite a while. After a few train wait we boarded the front seat, were locked in and were off. The course is pretty standard B&M- loop, diving loop, camelback, cobra roll, turn to the brake run, loop, dive into some themeing and a corkscrew into the brakes. One thing I noticed on the first run was that there were many (I believe four) trim brakes along the course of this ride. All I can say is that if this ride is this forceless running with no trims and only a kiss at the mid-course, I hate to think what it would be like with those things on- it would barely make it through the course! We took another ride in the front seat and I left with the impression I expected to have; namely that Kraken is a coaster built for a wide range of ages and thrill tolerances. Perhaps my expectations were set low to begin with, but I did not come off disappointed as I thought this was a very middle-of-the-road coaster. Later in the day we took two rides in the back seat that improved things some, but overall it did not have many moments (I still love any diving loop and camelback combination!). The part after the mid-course was nicely themed. The loop was in a trench and after that the train dove into a tunnel filled with waterfalls that led directly into a corkscrew. It made for a unique ending and gave onlookers a nice place to watch the people on the coaster enjoying themselves. Journey to Atlantis (Mack/PGAV Architects, 1999[?], Water Coaster) was located next door and had a 25-minute wait. The queue themeing was good and Bill & I were stuck with the unlucky job of sitting in the front seat. After the boat was released from the station house it floated through the “story” part of the ride as we followed Hermes on our journey. I must hand it to the people at Busch; this was a very entertaining and unique storyline. My only problem was that the speakers seemed a bit crackly and at times it was a touch hard to follow the story developments. After leaving the themed area we were hauled up a chain lift, rounded a dry turn (ala Long Island Adventureland’s flume) and went up some more. This is one area that could use some action. I would have liked to see some statues lining either side of the lift spraying water over the boat in arcs, or perhaps our guide Hermes doing a trick or two. The drop itself was VERY good and gave some nice airtime, but what happened next was not so pleasant. After the drop we got somewhat wet, which is fine- it is a water ride. However after the boat left the run out channel the bow suddenly tipped down and gallons of water splashed all over Bill and me. Both of us were mad about that and then, before the next chain lift, there was another small conveyor that took the boat up three feet and on the drop the bow again dipped and let tons of water in. I do not mind getting wet (or even drenched) when it is part of the ride, but getting soaked as a result of bad design does not sit well with me. Even if it were a hot summer day I would have thought it was just too much water. After the second chain lift we swooped through Medusa’s lair and had a coaster-like finale and splashdown. Overall I thought Busch and Mack collaborated to make a wonderful ride that tells a unique story and is fun for most in the family. After exiting the ride we took two more spins on Kraken, I bought a magnet while Bill bought everything in the souvenir stand and it was time to go. We had to say goodbye to Bill as he headed back to Atlanta and Eric & I sped off through the pouring rain for an afternoon at Disney. One problem I found was that the exit signs were not very well marked, at least in the area we were. It was raining hard and difficult to see anything but a small sign above the road. Needless to say, this did not leave Eric as a happy man in the driver seat when we had to find our way back through the parking lot. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 16:20:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 00:20:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 98476 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 00:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 00:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.122) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 00:20:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20011126002054.62420.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.137.99.88] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:20:54 PST Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:20:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: TR: Disney's MGM Studios- November 18, 2001 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The Place: Disney MGM Studios The Date: November 18, 2001 Last Visit: Never The Weather: A hot Florida November day The Reason I Went: To see if Tower of Terror is as good as everyone says After leaving Sea World we drove through the pouring rain to Disney MGM Studios on the frighteningly gigantic Disney complex. We paid six dollars to park (not bad in today’s world of theme parks…and that pass was good at any Disney park for the rest of the day). We parked, waited a while for the tram and decided to walk to the front gate because the tram took its sweet time getting to the lot. I paid fifty dollars to enter then we walked around some and picked up Fast Passes for the Tower of Terror. We first went to the Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater Restaurant, but it was a two-hour wait. Two other places had burger and fry type meals, but they did not look appetizing for the price. We settled on the 50’s Prime Time Café, a true “mom and pop” place. This restaurant is like walking into the stereotypical fifties home and eating at your dead great-grandmother’s house. It is an interesting concept, but seemed to have an identity crisis because part of the structure was built as a house, while other parts had the raised ceiling and drop lighting of a television studio. After a five-minute wait we were seated and instructed on the rules of the house, such as “No elbows on the table” and “No spitballs.” By the end of our visit all of these rules and more were broken. I have often read of the over-romantization of the 1950’s and this experience only helped to confirm that sentiment. Our waitress, Aunt Linda, must have felt she needed to come on strong to make sure her rules were followed- it went downhill from there. The set up is that all of the servers are aunts, uncles, cousins and that mom is in the back cooking. The menu was bizarre because it was a lot of the same food I ate growing up- except here it costs more and is not as good as my mother’s. I got a steak on an open-faced sandwich that was decent and Eric got chicken. It took some time to get our food so we passed the time by “engaging” the staff: -I asked the waitress if “mom had died yet because I was waiting on some inheritance from her, and when Linda commented that mom had gotten out of the hospital and was doing just fine I said that was too bad. -Eric spit a Cokeball, the on-hand substitute for a spitball, at the waitress and had to stand in the corner -Of course, we both kept our elbows on the table and were constantly yelled at …and other fun things ensured we gave as much back to the wait staff as they gave out to us. Towards the end of the meal we had a good talk with our waitress about the fact that the crowds were finally coming back and that the last two weeks had been good. She said it was nice to have guests who had fun wit the rules instead of sitting quietly. Overall it was a good time, but like the rest of the park seemed to lack a certain spark. I have had similar experience in Jersey diners- except the food was cheaper. Now it was time to visit the attraction many have called the best Disney ride in the last ten years- The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. Fast Passes in hand we walked in and I tried to take in as much of the theming as I could. Looking around I enjoyed the beautiful gardens, the view of the hotel from the grounds, the empty water pool and the immense detail put into all of the building’s facets. After being let into the den I looked at the amazing array of materials the Imagineers had decorated the room with. Everything, from old books to globes to antique trinkets, carefully lined the shelves. The den quieted as the unique preshow came on. The lights dimmed, lightning flickered and an episode of the Twilight Zone, with a host whose voice and likeness was close to the originals, told us the story of several unlucky souls who were caught in the hotel’s elevator on the night of the storm. After the preshow a door opened and we walked to the basement. Again, the detailing was amazing as the old boilers looked like they were there for years and a small desk, covered with retro lamps and office supplies, was thick with cobwebs. Our usher invited us in the front seat (thanks to Eric for requesting it), the doors closed and we left. [Author’s Note: There are some spoilers here and my recollections may not be 100% correct because we only rode the T.O.T. twice and there is a LOT to take in.] The first time the door opened there was a wonderful view down a hallway with ghosts inviting us to join them and a Hitchcock-esque window that bent out of proportion in different directions. The door closed again and we were whisked up into another hallway. With stars glittering throughout the hall and televisions showing the people disappearing we left the elevator shaft (on my second trip Eric pointed out the tire tracks on the floor, which took a little away from the complete surprise). The room went completely dark and I heard the car locking into place in the “shaft.” After sitting a few seconds in darkness the elevator dropped. The drop itself was better than I anticipated, in part because it was in the dark and because the car is probably quite heavy. The car then bounced up & down and I got some great airtime with the unique sequence of drops. On some of the bounces the car was even with the large doorways and it gave a great view of the park. I left surprised and impressed with this Disney attraction. It is amazing in the thrill department, it is intriguing in the theme and detail departments and a fun ride for older kids and adults. It was so good we rode it a second time and I bought the obligatory Tower of Terror magnet for my refrigerator. A funny thing happened on the way out. The park sells bellhop bells for $7.95 in the gift shop (I am guessing they buy them in bulk for 50 cents or $1 apiece). As I completed my purchase I heard countless little kids pounding them and asked, “Don’t you get sick of all the bells?” My cashier replied, “Bells, what bells?” And another said, “I don’t hear any bells.” At least there is some semblance of the old Disney immersion still in effect. Touché. We grabbed Fast Passes for Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster and went to enjoy the rest of the park. The first ride was Star Tours. The queue was nice- arguably the best part of the ride. The simulator was fun; basically it involved a trip to Endor via the Star Tours company. You get attacked by the Empire (big shocker there) and fly against the Death Star, etc. I thought the film was a bit slow-paced and that the ride would have been more enjoyable had some scenes, like the dive through the Death Star trenches, been shown at greater speeds. But, perhaps that is just my nit-pickiness talking. Nearby was an attraction I was looking forward to, Jim Henson’s Muppet Vision 3-D. I felt it was an attraction with a great concept and fun execution- I guess the fact that I have always enjoyed the Muppets did not hurt. The preshow was hilarious and featured three televisions that were in-sync with one another. After entering a large theatre, who were there but the two best Muppet characters ever- Statler and Waldorf. Their bad puns from their balcony seats led the way into a 3-D show that was full of bad jokes, cheap 3-D tricks (Fozzie- “Did somebody say cheap 3-D tricks?!”) and a little something from most of the major Muppet characters (the groovy, LSD-inspired Dr. Teeth was my only favorite I did not see)- there was even some live theatre appearances. The show revolves around a new 3-D process created by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and his assistant Beaker (Meep Meep). Like Spiderman there were several tricks like “rain” falling on guests and bubbles flying through the audience after they appeared on the screen. This is a show I could watch several times on a park visit. I must disagree with Statler & Waldorf when they said, “Boo.” “Horrible.” “Worst show I’ve ever seen.” We walked to the Studios Backlot Tour and got on one of the last rides of the day. The preshow/queue featured props and commentary from countless bad action movies. After a ten-minute wait we walked to the first phase of the tour. This section featured the participation of four audience members that were filmed doing various things (manning an engine room while it flooded and protecting a PT boat from attacks by warplanes). Special effects like a large wall of water, flames and tracer shots were used to demonstrate different action sequence standards. After the scenes were “shot” the participants were edited into a pre-made film sequence, which was quite funny (reminiscent of the Murder, She Wrote show at Universal Studios Florida several years back). The second part of the tour was a standard tram ride. We saw costume departments and house facades from television “milestones” like Golden Girls and Empty Nest. From there we rode by many discarded vehicles from movies like Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade, Flight of the Navigator and a personal animated favorite of mine, Who Framed Roger Rabbit? After that we saw Catastrophe Canyon, which was a large outdoor special effects extravaganza. It was probably impressive for kids, but reminded me of Universal’s Earthquake set outdoors (it even had the sliding tanker truck). The tram headed behind the canyon to show how it was constructed and then it was back to the loading area. It was interesting to see once, but you will not catch me on this ride again unless something changes drastically. Our last rides of the night were on Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster (Vekoma, 1999, LSM looper). We went through the line and I immediately noticed one drawback of the Fast Pass. Everyone skips all of the good line themeing when they enter the building. What is even worse is that all of the people in the normal line have to wait in a bland corral before being ushered past all of the nice indoor queues. I hope that in the future Disney plans for Fast Pass in their lines and that they go back to major attractions like this and do some rebuilding of the queue. I know if I were standing outside for hours in the Florida sun and just walked through all of the air-conditioned line inside I would be a little ticked off- especially if I had kids in tow. Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster, like most of the park’s rides, is just there- no area themeing, no overall section concept, just plopped down because there was room. The building has the now-famous sign with the guitar neck turning into track (for the longest time I thought it was actual coaster track). From the line you can see the building the coaster track is housed in (similar to Flight of Fear), but little else. After entering through the doors of G Force Records we waited a little bit and then were ushered into the recording studio where Aerosmith was laying down tracks. While not amazing, I do think the cheesy preshow is the best that can be accomplished using today’s projection technology. Aerosmith tries their best to act and we are shortly informed that our “super stretch” limo is on its way. We left the studio for a run-down area of town where our car will pick us up. If Disney does one thing well it is capacity, they can run four trains at once (I am guessing they own a total of six or eight) so the line moves fast (unless you are waiting in the large line outside, that is). I also like the way the seats were chosen. If riders wants a certain seat they can ask (and usually get it), but for the most part the seats are assigned. It works well for everyone because not many people want to ride in a certain seat, but it still gives the option for people like myself to request one. After winding inside the queue we waited one train before boarding the front seat. I sat on the left side, the restraints were checked and we rolled onto the launch area. This launch is different from the Premier versions because, as Eric pointed out to me, it uses a cart to push the train. Basically, the launch is like a Schwarzkopf shuttle loop, except it is powered by magnets instead of a weight or flywheel (and yes, back in the late 1970’s Anton talked about powering his launches with magnetic energy- the man was a genius). We were counted down, the highway sign read that the freeway was clear and we were launched into blackness. The layout was good, but not as fun as Flight of Fear (I believe RnRC is similar to the Six Flags Holland Superman coaster, check out the pictures at: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery769.htm) The one thing I thought added to the ride was the fact that it was completely black inside the building where the main structure was housed. There was no light leaking through the tunnels like on Flight of Fear and, although there were lots of road signs, I believe they only lit up brightly as the train sped by. After the train hit the brakes there was some nice themeing as the coaster pulled into a “VIP” area with lights, announcements and a red carpet where riders disembarked. We took one more ride in the backseat and this time the ride seemed slower and there was some noticeable shuffling among the cars. Overall I thought Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster was an OK ride. It was good, but it is a little disappointing that all you need to be an Imagineer these days (at least for the US parks) is the knowledge of how to make an alley and fake music studio. I expected a little more from Disney and must say I was let down by their final product. (PS: I have heard Disney re-worked the launch so it only accelerates to 53 M.P.H. now. Can anyone confirm this, or is it merely another “Magnum is Sinking” rumor?”) Overall I came away feeling that the park was lacking a lot, both in the ride/show and theme departments. I will be upfront and say that I expect different things from different parks. I expect more from Disney than say, Old Town, because the prices are different and they obviously have different amounts of supporting capital and creative forces behind them. From a ride perspective, I am not given much choice but to feel the park was opened strictly as a way to keep people on property for one more day and spend some Disney dollars. Yes, I know that amusement and theme parks are built these days to turn a profit. But, some, like Disney’s park in Japan, are built to engage, amaze and properly handle all of the guests. I did not think Disney MGM Studios did any of these three things well. On the themeing side I thought some things were lacking, too. Granted, I think the worst concept ever for themeing is Six Flags Warner Brothers’ Backlot, but this goes deeper than that. There is NO overriding theme except the concept of a studio and frankly I do not believe this is a good concept around which to build a park. Yes, it does have some neat features like Mann’s Chinese Theatre, but for someone who has been to Los Angeles, it felt fake. I wish they had designed an overly romanticized feel for the Hollywood Land of old. I wanted to see the gumshoe world of Philip Marlowe and “L.A. Confidential” combined with the comic zaniness that came from the cartoons Walt Disney & Mel Blanc and the over the top lifestyle of Sunset Boulevard. A swirl of the cartoonish whimsy, private detective boldness and Hollywood flash would have been a fun, unique place to visit. I do not want to visit a Hollywood that has been simply sanitized and badly reproduced by Imagineers. Instead of trying to recreate the past, give us a creative and wacky world based on American perceptions of Hollywood’s golden era- that would be a park. Right now it feels as if part of the park is trying to be a clean version of Hollywood while other areas have no direction at all except for the generic “movie set.” This part could have been a lot more and I must say I left disappointed with Disney. Hollywood without the seamy underbelly is not Hollywood, it is just a set of streets without a soul. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Mrkwilson@aol.com Mon Nov 26 14:14:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 22:14:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6638 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 22:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 22:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.33) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 22:14:38 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.9b.1e8fc55e (3980) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:14:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b.1e8fc55e.293418cc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:14:36 EST Subject: Companies that are dying or dead To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There were a few discussions about several companies a while back that (because of my own ignorance) seemed inconclusive, so could someone feel me in on the status Premier, Morgan, Vekoma, and Giovanola? Also, are there any other popular companies that are in trouble or died out recently? Thanks Mark Wilson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 14:36:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 22:36:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 3551 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 22:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 22:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20403.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.122) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 22:36:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20011126223606.74522.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:36:06 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:36:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Companies that are dying or dead To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9b.1e8fc55e.293418cc@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > so could someone feel me > in on the status Premier, Morgan, Vekoma, and > Giovanola? Also, are there any > other popular companies that are in trouble or > died out recently? Thanks Premier- the company is doing well, had a good IAAPA and it looks like they are partnering with Larson of Texas for some sales and lapbar retrofitting Morgan- Morgan was sold to Dick Chance's son, Mike. Technically Chance Rides and Chance Morgan are two different companies on paper and offer two different lines of rides, although there is some crossover of salesman and mgt. as evidenced by one booth at IAAPA. Chance was renamed Chance Rides and is out of bankruptcy. Vekoma- The company was bought out by some investors and Roger Houben, the company's former Pres., owns 20% and is in charge of sales & marketing for the new Vekoma Rides. The Showquest group no longer exists and Vekoma is focusing on building its proven designs and is holding back on any new protoypes. Giovanola- The coaster business was a small part of thier income. They still will fabricate steel for other companies (as they used to for Intamin), but their coaster designing days are over for now. Caripro has left the dead Showquest Group and resurfaced as Cari Co. O.D. Hopkins is now Hopkins Rides and a subsidy of Reverchon. As of IAAPA GCI had not signed a contract. CCI has had some problems and hopes to be much more financially soluable after the 2002 sales. FAB/Mondial had some infighting but will probably be displaying together at Interschau. That is all of the top of my head. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From Mrkwilson@aol.com Mon Nov 26 14:37:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 22:37:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 60140 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 22:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 22:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 22:37:43 -0000 Received: from Mrkwilson@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.45.f879e65 (3980) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:37:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45.f879e65.29341e31@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:37:37 EST Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Extreme Rides 101 (or how I almost wet myself) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10536 From: Mrkwilson@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: mrkwilson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After we were set free we floated back and then forward again because the tow cable was so long it took that much time to pick up the slack- thus began the longest minute of my life. Between Mark and Eric giving me s%*# and me responding with half-assed attempts at shaky humor we climbed higher into the night sky. Comments like =E2=80=9Cthere=E2=80=99s St. Louis=E2=80=99s ride= =E2=80=9D (circa the 150-foot mark), =E2=80=9Cthere=E2=80=99s Universal=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9COh my God, this is insane,=E2=80=9D did not help calm my nerves as we were towed up the tower. I became more unnerved as I looked out directly at the A-frame and then we collectively realized that the cables were so long that their slack hung in front of and below us by twenty feet. I finally gave in to my fear and had to hold on with both hands because the ground looked so far away and the platform, as Mark so eloquently put it before the trip, looked like a postage stamp. All of the sudden a voice crackled through the air, =E2=80=9C3. 2. 1. FLY!=E2=80=9D After a second=E2=80=99s hesitation we pitched face first for about 75-100 feet before the cables caught us. For a few seconds I understood what Bill Kitchen meant when he said that you felt you could fly. The drop was incredible. Between the screaming roar of the cable, the fact that my stomach remained up at the top of the tower and looking straight down into that black lake at 75 m.p.h. all combined to make it one hell of a ride. When we finally got off I was all smiles- just physically exhausted. I definitely owe everyone who helped =E2=80=9Cnudge=E2=80=9D me into riding and Mark & Eric for putting up with my crap as we climbed the tower. It was one of the best park experiences I have had. This sounds a lot like my first sky coaster experience, except mine was onl= y=20 165 feet tall. If anyone cares, here it is in detail. Last year in octobe= r,=20 was my trip to ride everything in the park before it officially became the= =20 new millenium. After a rather disappointing ride in one of the middle seat= s=20 of goliath, me and 3 other friends made the hike over to Dive Devil. Me an= d=20 my other friend Aldy were excited (well.. more pretended to be) but Dane an= d=20 Cizek were scared outta their minds. Cizek used the excuse "I'm not paying= =20 15 dollars to kill myself!" while Dane just admitted to being a pussy, but = he=20 was the one who eventually gave in... after about a half an hour. We all=20 threw our disorganized pile of ones and quarters on the counter and got our= =20 tickets (sorry, but I had to bring up the cliche). It was a tough decisio= n=20 for the ride op to decide which was taller of myself and Aldy, but I came o= ut=20 ahead and that lucky bas**rd got to pull the cord. We walked out to the=20 loading platform, and to a bunch of 14 year olds this feels like an=20 astronauts walk out to the shuttle. Since we didn't pay attention to the=20 people before us or the ride ops, the flip over when they lower the platfor= m=20 took us by suprise, it was great. At first it may feel fast, but this lift= =20 could've lasted 45 minutes and I wouldn't know the difference. Of