From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 11:27:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 18:27:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 79338 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 18:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 18:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp015.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 18:27:33 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 18:27:31 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: TR: Six Flags Magic Mountain- June 18, 2002 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:25:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Tuesday June 18, 2002 We started the day on a coaster I will ride, but not wait long for- Déjà Vu (Vekoma, 2001, giant inverted boomerang). This was Mark’s first ride so I let him have the back- he was in row 16, I was in 14, and Bill was in 13. I rode this several times at Georgia in the fall and had gotten my fill. The first drop is still fun, but the rest of the ride just does not interest me. I like the Vekoma Invertigos in the end seat better and think a Schwarzkopf Shuttle blows both of those away. I would not be surprised to see these removed from Six Flags parks within 5-6 years, they seem to be more trouble than they are worth. We rode Psyclone a few times and headed back over for one more spin on Déjà Vu. This time Mark and Bill rode in row four (the second group of outer seats) while I was in row three. It was funny to watch the wheel assemblies not move during the drop and then shake all over the place once the track starts to curve. I would just be as happy if the brakes kicked in after the first drop. On our way out of the ERT we hit up Gold Rusher for a ride. We went to leave the ERT and, big surprise, more security guards who had no idea who we were or what we were doing there. I could understand keeping us until the park opened, but they made us wait for about 15-20 minutes after 10. Apparently when they saw lots of other people from the general public walking by us going towards Déjà Vu they got the hint. Again, I do not think this was the guard’s fault, but Six Flags management really should have told some people that worked there what was going on. We met up with Eric around 10:20 at the "I" in Goliath and walked through the queue. Six Flags did a very nice job with the entrance area (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery615.htm?Picture=2) and the jungle queue. We waited a few trains for a seat in the back car and while it was good, it was nowhere near as good in the front. The top had little pullover and while you are pushed down the hill in the front the back does feel somewhat rampy. I do not know what it was, but to me this coaster is one of those that get progressively better as you work your way to the front. Feeling coaster whorish again we headed over to ride Canyon Blaster (Miler, 1999, kiddie oval). It is interesting that Six Flags hates it if anyone else uses their ingenious coaster names, but has no problem lifting other park’s coaster titles. After going around several times we left the Miler masterpiece and enjoyed another splashdown on the delightful Log Jammer. It was around eleven and we were starving. We had planned ahead of time to eat at the Mooseburger Lodge and enjoyed the laid-back, non-superhero atmosphere. I had heard this was a fun place to eat and those who recommended it were correct. Aside from the singing moose we enjoyed Antler Ale, a concoction of various juices. It sounded good and I enjoyed being able to drink something more refreshing than soda but with more taste than water. Each glass of Antler Ale came with its own moose crazy straw- needless to say it provided some interesting sights. Being a little slow I had some trouble implementing the straw system, but finally got things working. The trouble with the moose straw was that it was too much damn work (I should have hired one of the girls from the valley) to suck it down so I simply abandoned the straw and drank from the glass. Lunch ended up being around $12 for the drink and a great croissant turkey sandwich. Mooseburger is probably one of the best restaurants I have eaten at in a Six Flags park. It differed from many of the normal eateries in two ways. First, the service was good, as Mark said, probably the best waitress we had on the entire trip. Secondly, the food was good. Not just theme park “good,” which is average most places, but enjoyable. I strayed from the course and got a non-hamburger item because I knew we were having In N Out for dinner. The turkey was fresh; it wasn’t that spooky deli meat with slime all over it- it tasted good. I know I am going to pay a lot at a theme park, but I really do not mind when that amount is rewarded with good food. Mooseburger Lodge was one of the nicest eating surprises of the trip. If I ate at the place the day after Disney and still thought highly of it you know it is good! (Of course, as my co-travelers can attest, I am one of the pickiest eaters in the world so if I liked a place chances are you will, too). We walked up the hill for another ride on Revolution. I sat in row three and tried a new technique this time. Instead of using my hands to block my head I used my legs to hover above the seat as opposed to sit and it improved the ride, but I could only do it for small periods of time because my legs got tired. Even with the different riding styles I still was disappointed when this ride could deliver so much. I would go so far to say that it would be at the top of my top tier list if it only had those restraints removed and brakes loosened- sigh. We headed up the hill after exiting and heard Revolution whooshing around us. This old west area was nice and an enjoyable place to relax. It is interesting that although it is one of the best-wooded and best-themed areas of the park, there is not really anything to draw visitors to the area besides the rapids. The observation tower loomed over us and we went for a look. This area is in a shambles and it is obvious that the groundskeepers have not been here for some time. I must say that the mountain did not look very magical below the tower. Concrete areas that should have been filled with water were full of trash and the tower was in a sorry state. As I said in my Carowinds trip report, the old Intamin towers are great because they give unique views of the surrounding area and park. In addition, they provide wonderful vantage points for photographs and offer something an entire family can do together. Apparently the park does not have the sky tower in their budget, because today it sits rusting away. I guess it is just cheaper to have it fall apart instead of paying to dismantle it. I would like to be proven wrong and see some money put back into the ride, but I would be surprised to see it delight guests anytime soon. The abandoned Ninja gift shop/concession stand now sits empty and is another vantage point to see little but the top of Déjà Vu. We rode Ninja again in the back and Eric pointed out to me the old Dragon train ride that used to use the Ninja station. The turntable is partly visible and the old track can be seen just behind the area where the last Ninja car stops in the station today. We headed over to Superman, but it was not running. Even though the ride was down, Magic Mountain did have the foresight to staff the drink stand. After talking with the young lad we found out he had been there since the park opened (a little under three hours) and had only sold one soda so far. When you combine his hourly wage and the cost for the electricity one realizes that this was not a smart business move. Near Superman was another area that could have been gorgeous, but like the grounds surrounding the tower it was run down. Lights with cracked plastic and broken pieces surrounded beautiful hedges. If this area were given regular TLC I would say it was one of the nicest part of any U.S. amusement park, as it is now the area is just a neglected corner. The Super Shop (the old Superman gift shop and [I believe] on-ride photo purchase location) sat closed up. I thought it was just closed because of staff problems, but Eric informed that had indeed been empty for some time. Riddler’s Revenge was fun, on the way out we saw yet another abandoned gift shop. [Note: Since some time has passed and we did so much at that park I am a little unsure of what happened next.] I believe we walked to the front of the park via the left side and visited the carousel. As we walked past the fountain Eric pointed out an area just off to the right. It was a very nice platform that used to allow visitors to watch the riders go through the Revolution’s loop. What once was a great idea is now a platform that still looks useable, but is cut off from the park by a badly nailed-up gate. Why do this? Does it really cost that much to put a fresh coat of paint on this every few years? Perhaps now the park does not want to see the riders writhing in pain as they go through the loop. Whatever the reason, this is yet another unique niche that has been wasted. PTC carousel 21 (from West Haven, Milford, Savin Rock) was nearby so we got a ride. As seems to be the rule in California the band organ was not working. The outside rim was beautiful, but this was the only really nice part of the ride. The inner drum had unpainted wood nailed up on it, the horses were fiberglass replicas (Six Flags has the originals in storage) and the originals chariots were painted white and their upholstered seats were filled with graffiti. On the one had I do understand the park not wanting all the horses out if they will be ruined because of the year-round operation and if the clientele wants to tag it. However, why do they feel the need to keep these great horses locked up in a warehouse someplace where only 10 people see them all year? I would like to see some of the horses used in a display where the public could not get to them- but at least they could be seen. It is amazing that the park restricts the sight of something that sits in a warehouse year-round. They were even stingy when the Savin Rock museum asked to borrow a horse for a little while. Viper had a nearly empty queue except for the front seat. Where did we decide to ride? You guessed it, up front. While not as intense as the back, the front is a great place to see that pink and yellow thingy as well as the beautiful desert terrain the coaster was built upon. After a few rides we headed down and got some ice cream before Eric had to leave. Silly sucker, having to work. Oh wait, that’s what I am doing now and have no park in town. We visited the caped crusader once more and this coaster was really flying. I do not know what it was, but the rides I got on Batman were probably the highlight of my Magic Mountain trip. When we rode in the backseat I was feeling it in my toes. The loop, heartline, loop combo were sick and the two corkscrews had a powerful snap in them. But wait- it gets better. We waited for the front and I must say this was the best Batman ride I have ever gotten. The normal places were especially intense, but what surprised me were areas like the swoop turn after the second loop. I felt pushed back in my seat and pressure in my toes even in this area- it was amazing. I almost did not want to say anything because I felt that had to be running good, but not as good as I was thinking. Perhaps I was just getting old, after all my 24th birthday is coming up soon (he he). But, no, everyone else was agreeing with me. These rides were intense. Clone yes, but this is the best of the bunch I have been on and it gave Fire Dragon a run for its money. We stopped in the Looney Tunes area to ride the cages. Mark hopped on and I was about to but more kids kept coming. I may be an assh*le but I did not feel right about cutting in front of a kid to ride. The Bayern Curve spun us again and Colossus called us for a few rides. I still enjoy the back the best here. The first turn is fun for the classic view of the angled first drop and the second turn does have some good airtime. Bill and I relaxed a bit in the alcove that overlooks Colossus & Goliath and enjoyed sitting around. While Colossus looked good from a distance, the coaster seemed very beat up and the station, with missing shingles and aging wood, looked like it had not been worked on in years. For dinner we headed out to the famous In N Out Burger. I had heard many good things about the burger joint and, being one of the world’s pickiest eaters, I had to see if it was up to the challenge. I asked if it had a sauce and when I found out they put 1000 Island dressing on I told them to remove it immediately and just add the mandatory pickles, onions and tomato. The wait was a bit long, but I could not really complain. Everyone in the back was busy and it was right at dinnertime, so I think it was just a matter of the place being very crowded. As we waited Mark commented that it seemed to be the west coast’s answer to Steak N Shake. I must concur. The burgers were very similar and were tasty without being full of grease. The fries, however, I did not find very appetizing. They just seemed to lack any sort of distinctive flavor. We were just up the entrance road from the parking gates when I heard some sort of gasp from the front seat. I followed their gazes and caught X in time for it to finish the last Raven turn and pop into the brake run. This coaster actually made me sexually excited. It had looked impressive, but after watching it run I just have to get on this thing. This is the first coaster in a long time that has really drawn me in and actually created a unique anticipation that I do not feel on some coasters these days. Since I could not take a cold shower I used the long walk back from the car to calm down and remind myself that I was not getting on X tonight…or anytime soon. We got a ride in on Log Jammer (I love this ride!) and got a few more rides in on Viper towards the back of the train. The Black belt of roller coasters called again and we waited for a front seat ride. It was dark, but I noticed something different during this spin. During the ERT the lights on the sidewalk had been off. But now they were on and illuminated the path as a few people climbed the hill. It was a unique site; I almost felt like a bird swooping down on guests, no other coaster has ever given me that sensation. A couple of Ninja rides led us back to Batman where we enjoyed a few spins with the Airbears. I think they were duly impressed. It was ERT time and we got four or five on Riddler’s Revenge, two on Colossus and ended the night with six or seven on Goliath. While not top tier it does have several moments like the bottom of the first drop, the turn over Colossus and the final helix that I really liked. The funky green lighting next to the coaster’s lift made for an eerie sight as the train rose into the night. After ending the evening a few inches shorter thanks to my spine being compressed by the helix we walked to the car. An hour drive put us in Buena Park at 1:30, I fell asleep around 2 and the wake up call came at 4 for my 6:30 flight. Oh well, back to work. Conclusion: There were a lot of things that surprised me about this park. I will say that I had high expectations for it as Six Flags Magic Mountain is usually seen as one of three marquee thrill parks in the chain, the others being Great Adventure and Great America. Perhaps the oddest thing was the number of unused buildings. Abandoned shops, skyway stations, concession stands and other structures are left like they will be opening tomorrow- it seemed very strange. One of the largest disappointments with the park was the closure of the monorail and the sky tower during both days of our visit. I doubt the tower has been open in some time, but the area around it could be kept nicely. The monorail must be a great way to see the park (especially the mountain station) but apparently that is not open often either. Add in the fact that their newest coaster was closed, along with Flashback, one side of Colossus and Superman was down most of the second day (and when it ran it had one side open) and consider this is in the peak summer season…I must say I was surprised. This was further compounded by the general maintenance that seemed to be needed in almost every area of the park. The collection of antique flat rides (a Super Round Up in a Six Flags?!) juxtaposed with the ultramodern coasters and it is quite a noggin’ scratcher. While having cutting edge rides is nice (and necessary if you bill yourself as the park for thrills) I do think some serious thought and capital needs to be put into this park over the next few years for work on the park itself. Magic Mountain is the green oasis in the desert. But, if that greenery and superstructure is not taken care of the park will definitely lose even more of its luster. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 11:47:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 18:47:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 96670 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 18:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 18:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 18:47:21 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 18:47:21 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: RE: TR, Disneyland Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:44:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > ??????????????????????? > ?????????? > Layout description Oops, I forgot to post the most revised edition of the TR and forgot to put in info about Roger Rabbit. I won't go into details now, but I will say I loved it. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Jun 30 14:05:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 21:05:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26989 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 21:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 21:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 21:05:49 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.149.10c619b6 (3735) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <149.10c619b6.2a50cc99@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:05:29 EDT Subject: Fwd: Photo Album from Sam: Pictures from Dorney Park To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/02 4:37:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mamarose1129@aol.com writes: You've been invited to view Sam's photos online at Ofoto! 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Dainan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jun 30 15:04:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 22:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46907 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out010.verizon.net) (206.46.170.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 22:04:45 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020630220444.ZFFM17885.out010.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:04:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3D1F807C.5030106@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:04:44 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Six Flags Magic Mountain- June 16, 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Awesome trip report as a whole Adam. Sounds very much like a lot of my impressions of the park, with a few minor points of divergence, but not enough to comment on for the most part. And where I might, most are already more than aware enough of that. There were a couple of things though: Adam Sandy wrote: > For some reason we ran up the long hill. Even though that hill sucks > to run > up, I was surprised at how many people were complaining about it and > demanding its removal. While many enthusiasts talk about how people > need to > be in good physical condition to ride coasters, it seemed that many of > them > did not follow their own advice. To me, that hill is why Six Flags Magic > Mountain has character. Superman, Ninja, the Jet Stream, Revolution, > Rusher > and Log Jammer all benefit from the unique topography. Personally, I > would > much rather have a hill like that or the ones found at Holiday World or > Busch Gardens Williamsburg than enjoy the delightful pancake parks > like Six > Flags Kentucky Kingdom. While I've heard people complain about not liking to walk up the hill, that's the first time I've heard anyone demanding it's removal. Please tell me that you were kidding, or that these were just the stupid people in the pack saying that. I won't even get into all the mechanical impossibilities of removing it, or even think about the rides on top of it, but like you said that's one of the major features of the park and one of the reasons that several of it's rides are so enjoyable as they wind around it. Removing the mountain at SFMM has to be among some of the most imbecillic things I think I have ever heard. > > > It was time for me to summon some superhero courage and step on board > Superman The Escape (Intamin, 1997, launched shuttle). We > went back around for a second trip and this time I looked over my shoulder > and damn near frightened myself as everything within the park looked so > small. Hehe, I love to tell first timers to turn around and check out the view like you did. The expressions of shock and pure fear sometimes when they do is great. It is one incredible view from up there though. > > My first experience on Revolution (Schwarzkopf, 1976, terrain looper) in > 1996 had not been a good one. > If I ran this park I would be embarrassed to let my guests get on > board this > coaster. What makes even less sense is that rides like X and Déjà Vu are > much more intense and feature more open seating than Revolution. I have to agree that it is very sad and deplorable the condition that Revolution and Colossus are both in. I was told by different people at the park last year that both were supposed to get fairly extensive rehabs this last off season, and neither one did, so maybe it was postponed with all the work being done on X and Deja Vu. But I've still got hopes that they might attempt to return some of the old glory back to these coasters. I can't say I'm optimistic, but hoping. Looking forward to the rest of your TR's George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From cpmforce@aol.com Sun Jun 30 16:29:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CPMForce@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jun 2002 23:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 78865 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2002 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from CPMForce@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.61.21f8a896 (4568) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61.21f8a896.2a50ee66@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:29:42 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Is Xcellerator open yet? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: cpmforce@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64131317 X-Yahoo-Profile: friendlywendlykitten Talking of Xcellerator, I was just there, in the DL and KBF area for the first time. (June 24th). Xcellerator was only running one train, but the line was short. ...and so was the ride. It was fun, but not really very impressive at all. Neither was Ghostrider, really. I think it's the lack of classic restraints that makes all the difference. Now I appreciate the Cyclone more. Perilous Plunge was SO LOW CAPACITY it was insane. I still can't believe it. The operator started yelling at the guy in from of us for lowering the lap bar himself. As for Disneyland (the Magic Kingdom, not DCA)- it wasn't perfect the way it supposedly used to be, but I have to say, overall, it probably beats IOA. It doesn't have anything great thrillwise, of course (but California Screamin' at DCA was great) but the overall collection of attractions, (themeing and special effects-wise), as well as the overall design and themeing of the lands probably constitutes the best theme park I've ever been to. (I'm starting to prefer the themeing and effects over actual thrills, though.) I think the best thing about it is just the overall idea that it's supposed to be a magical place separate from the real world, with no view of the outside, and endless adventures within. It feels good to be there. As a matter of fact a sign over the walkway onto Main Street reads, "Here you leave today and enter the world of yesterday, tommorrow, and fantasy." Anyway, I'd read about people attacking the characters in Mouse Tales, but never expected to see it. The White Rabbit was greeting people without any nearby security, and, as he posed to take a picture with a kid, the kid turned around and slammed him in the stomach, and his whole family laughed and cheered as the rabbit ran off. It was horrible. Disneyland was a great park, but this post was only supposed to be an Xcellerator review. -Mark From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jun 30 18:09:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:09:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 5521 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out011.verizon.net) (206.46.170.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:09:03 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020701010903.CAKL16560.out011.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3D1FABAE.4020305@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:09:02 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Disneyland- June 17, 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ahh, one of my favorite parks, if not my favorite overall.... Awesome trip report. Again, only a couple of things to comment on. Adam Sandy wrote: > Pinocchio's Daring Journey was a fun trip. Many of the tricks seemed > to use > a forced perspective to make the bad guys seem much larger than life. If I > recall correctly there was none of the whale scene from Pinocchio, it > seemed > to emphasize the evil carnival more. As usual it was up to traditional > Disney dark ride standards and I enjoyed it. Well, except for Jimminy > Cricket- he has always seemed like a know-it-all tool. You must have looked away at one point then, as you drive right almost into Monstro's mouth, turning away at just the last second, plus right after that you have Gheppetto calling out for Pinnochio from on board his ship in Monstro's stomach. Trust me- this was one of my kids favorites and we did it so many times that I've got that thing memorized. That carnival can start to get a bit annoying after the fifth ride, and it gets worse from there when there's little breaks between them. > > > Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin called us next l. ??????????????????????? > ?????????? > Layout description Looking forward to your revised description here. hehe > We decided to > visit the Matterhorn's left track for the second ride. I do not know if it > was darkness, but it seemed that the left side had a bit more spunk > than the > right. This was one more fun ride that let me see the many nighttime views > of the park. The left side of the Matterhorn is indeed faster than the right. Several years ago they even had signs pointing out the difference in speed. However the signs were taken down a few years ago and some even try to pretend that there is no difference between the two. But it is well known inside, as well as by many outside that the left has a couple mph more "oomph" to it. > After watching a few ships on the > Storkybookland Canal Boats enter Monstro's mouth You had mentioned the Casey Jr. Train. Both the canal boats and the train tour the same basic area, with the train being further away from teh little garden sets, faster, and much more uncomfortable. Plus you don't get the narration from the driver that you do on the boat, which can sometimes be quite entertaining, depending on who your pilot is. > > With my feet a little more sore, my body a little more tired and the smile > on my face a little wider it was time to bid Disneyland goodbye. I don't > know how long it will be before my next visit, but it can't come soon > enough. After I visited Knoebels for the first time in 2000 I said in my > trip report, "This place just does something to you which cannot be > explained...all I know is that it is one of those parks which made me feel > like I was a kid at Disneyland, except I think this may be the happiest > place on earth." Little did I know that that park had a counterpart in the > world of theme parks. And now you know why, even now, everyone is still compared to Disney and how he did things. With theming adn just plain ability to make you forget about the world outside I still haven't come accross a place that comes close (and no, I haven't been to IOA). Seems like all but the most jaded of people love their visits to Disneyland. Again, thanks for the awesome trip report. I'm still waiting for Nate to get my humongous one from the park up on the group site from our 4 day trip there last September. You want huge, wait til you see that one. hehe. keep on ridin' George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jun 30 18:12:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:12:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 1706 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:12:50 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020701011248.UNGG10237.out004.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3D1FAC91.30804@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:12:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Ghostrider and Xcellerator not impressive? References: <61.21f8a896.2a50ee66@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash cpmforce@aol.com wrote: > > Talking of Xcellerator, I was just there, in the DL and KBF > area for > the first time. (June 24th). Xcellerator was only running one train, > but > the line was short. ...and so was the ride. It was fun, but not > really very > impressive at all. Neither was Ghostrider, really. I think it's the > lack of > classic restraints that makes all the difference. Please, Mark, you've got to give a lot more detail here, because you are the only one that I've heard this from. What time of the day did you ride Ghostrider, where on the train? I can't believe that you weren't impressed by it. And the same with Xcellerator. more details and reasoning would be most appreciated here. If these don't impress you, than what does? keep on ridin' George -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Jun 30 18:46:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 01:46:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 47336 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 01:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 01:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 01:46:08 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.a1.2996a561 (4196) for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:45:57 EDT Subject: Sam's Photos To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan Sam is my mom. So do not think it is a virus, Ok. Sorroy :-( Dainan From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 21:16:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 04:16:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 95514 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 04:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 04:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp011.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 04:16:54 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 04:16:54 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: Re: TR: Disneyland- June 17, 2002 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > You must have looked away at one point then, as you drive right almost > into Monstro's mouth, turning away at just the last second, plus right > after that you have Gheppetto calling out for Pinnochio from on board > his ship in Monstro's stomach. Trust me- this was one of my kids > favorites and we did it so many times that I've got that thing > memorized. That carnival can start to get a bit annoying after the fifth > ride, and it gets worse from there when there's little breaks between them. Ha ha, I believe you. I only did this once, so I am sure I missed several things throughout the day. > The left side of the Matterhorn is indeed faster than the right. Several > years ago they even had signs pointing out the difference in speed. > However the signs were taken down a few years ago and some even try to > pretend that there is no difference between the two. But it is well > known inside, as well as by many outside that the left has a couple mph > more "oomph" to it. That is interesting. The people I were with were saying that the left side was better, but I was not sure if it was true and had never heard about the signs. > You had mentioned the Casey Jr. Train. Both the canal boats and the > train tour the same basic area, with the train being further away from > teh little garden sets, faster, and much more uncomfortable. Plus you > don't get the narration from the driver that you do on the boat, which > can sometimes be quite entertaining, depending on who your pilot is. Thanks for the info. The amazing thing is that I did so much at this park, but when I go back I still have a lot to do (Storybook canal boats, Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, etc.). I cannot wait to go back again and visit DCA. > Again, thanks for the awesome trip report. I'm still waiting for Nate to > get my humongous one from the park up on the group site from our 4 day > trip there last September. You want huge, wait til you see that one. hehe. I had thought my TRs for this trip would be small, but since it was a first visit to each and I had a lot to say (big shock there :) they kept growing. I think that this one was about 10.5 pages in Word...thank God I was a history major so this does not feel that big to me! Thanks for reading, Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jun 30 21:30:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 04:30:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 51604 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 04:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 04:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp017.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 04:30:45 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 04:30:45 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: Re: TR: Six Flags Magic Mountain- June 16, 2002 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:28:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Removing the mountain at SFMM has to be among some of the most imbecillic things I think I have >ever heard. No, no...that was just sarcasm. There was a ton of complaining about the hill, though. It is interesting that the inclined railway was added for ERT at the last minute, I will bet large sums of money that people complained about having to walk up to Samurai Summit- so the park decided just to staff it for the ERT. >Hehe, I love to tell first timers to turn around and check out the view >like you did. The expressions of shock and pure fear sometimes when >they do is great. It is one incredible view from up there though. This was the first ride in a long time where the lap bar felt small. I guess it was just the sheer height and the weird body positioning that made me a little nervous, although there is obviously no need to be. Is it true that this ride does not go as high as it used to? Several people mentioned that and I thought it was just talk until I looked at a Superman postcard I later bought. I pulled it out of my bag on Samurai Summit while watching Superman and it definitely went a lot closer to the brakes on the postcard than it did during my visit. Does the height fluctuate a LOT based on weight, or does it not just go as high anymore? >I have to agree that it is very sad and deplorable the condition that >Revolution and Colossus are both in. I was told by different people at >the park last year that both were supposed to get fairly extensive >rehabs this last off season, and neither one did, so maybe it was >postponed with all the work being done on X and Deja Vu. But I've still >got hopes that they might attempt to return some of the old glory back >to these coasters. I can't say I'm optimistic, but hoping. That would not surprise me, I do not want to fathom the amount of additional capital that has been sunk into X. Even though it costs more, I think that from a liability standpoint Six Flags opened themselves up to more lawsuits by not having new trains built for Revolution and by doing the retrofit themselves. I could easily see a lawyer talking in the courtroom about how the big, heartless Six Flags skimped on money by doing a conversion like this when they had little to no experience in this department and adding restraints in vehicles that were not equipped with the space to handle them made an injury more likely. This is definitely one ride where I would love to see Premier build new trains with lapbars as it would reduce head banging and the additional shin contact point could appease the ride inspectors. Just some thoughts, Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jun 30 21:49:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 04:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 47180 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 04:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 04:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001.verizon.net) (206.46.170.140) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 04:49:22 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020701044920.FPLM22243.out001.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:49:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3D1FDF50.6070801@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:49:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Six Flags Magic Mountain- Superman References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > > >Hehe, I love to tell first timers to turn around and check out the view > >like you did. The expressions of shock and pure fear sometimes when > >they do is great. It is one incredible view from up there though. > > This was the first ride in a long time where the lap bar felt small. I > guess it was just the sheer height and the weird body positioning that > made > me a little nervous, although there is obviously no need to be. Is it > true > that this ride does not go as high as it used to? Several people > mentioned > that and I thought it was just talk until I looked at a Superman > postcard I > later bought. I pulled it out of my bag on Samurai Summit while watching > Superman and it definitely went a lot closer to the brakes on the postcard > than it did during my visit. Does the height fluctuate a LOT based on > weight, or does it not just go as high anymore It just doesn't go as high anymore, and hasn't in a couple of years. Before you could count on it being within a "box frame" or two of the brakes, and close enough that you felt you were looking Supes in the face. I couldn't tell you the last time that I saw it even come close to that, and it's been going at least 2 of those "box frames" lower than what it used to do even 3-4 years ago. I'm actually kind of hoping that the left side of it blowing out is a blessing in disguise in that it might force them to give it the overhaul that it so badly needs. SFMM was great at doing the upkeep on it's coasters (with Revolution and Colossus being the notable exceptions), even to the point of doin everything it could each offseason to try to make Psyclone decent (except for replacing the stupid trains, which would have been cheaper in the long run). Ninja had a major overhaul last year, and I believe that Batman and Viper also had major upkeep work done on them fairly recently. Now it's time to do the work what I call their "original big 3" (Superman, Colossus, and Revolution), and hopefully they'll get it done soon, before they get any worse. keep on ridin' George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jun 30 21:58:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 04:58:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 65334 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 04:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 04:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 04:58:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29488 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Jul 2002 04:01:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020701040138.29487.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Model Mad Mouse coaster.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:01:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi Everyone, A friend of mine and I started construction today of the Walthers Model Mad Mouse coaster. After about 3.5 hours, I took some photos: http://www.buzzneon.com/coasters/model/ Neither of us are model builders, so it was quite interesting! Matt is going away for about 10 days now, so we will have to wait a while before continuing.. The detail of the model is incredible .. The coaster will function about 1/3 of the way through construction .. the rest is just 'atmosphere'! Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Jun 30 23:54:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 06:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 18107 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 06:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 06:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 06:54:07 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/9cyNpYLiNbP0EB5InH4NNwKPu28spxnq"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G6L56J64; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 02:53:03 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:57:14 -0500 Subject: TR: SFGAm gets its act together... Message-ID: <20020701.015714.-1896859.4.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,12-13,15-16,22-23,25-26,28-31,36-37,46-47,50-51,54-55,73-74,89-91 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 ...well, most of it anyway. Despite it being way too hot today, I made the two hour drive to SFGAm because today was literally my last free day before the RCTalk event and I had to get a new season pass ( I lost my wallet at a party a few weeks ago). Getting the new pass was easy, but I got nailed with a $20 fee instead of the normal $10 because I lost my parking pass, as well (well, gee...since the parking pass is a sticker *on the pass* how could I lose one and not the other?). Even better is that the woman at Guest Relations made it seem like I was getting a good deal because she claimed she was "giving me a new parking pass for free" but "not refunding me the $10 I paid for parking today." I really wanted to say, "Well, then it really isn't free is it?" but I kept quiet. I'm not going to go into a whole lot of details here, just some random observations. -Viper was running very slow today (rode it first thing), but for the first time I saw the lizards! I don't know how I missed them before. For those who don't know, there is an entire support covered in rubber lizards that can only be seen while descending the second drop. I believe the maintenance men put them up there, but I really don't know why. -Bull's trims are on as heavy as ever. I think I'm done waiting in long lines for this ride. -The waterfall over Demon's first corkscrew is now working (yay!). Still no water under River Rocker, of course. -V2 was down all day as far as I could tell -I tried something new today and had a hot beef and cheddar sandwitch (across from Looney Toons National Park). It was good, not too expensive, but impossible to eat like a normal human being. I used a fork and it was still messier than the now famous Taco Bell Nachos Supreme SRM Tradition. -Eagle was a walk-on all day, but I opted to ride it once forward because I didn't want to do that long walk back there to ride again and I hadn't ridden it forwards yet this year. The ride side has a much better layout, but it's not running nearly as well as it was last year. The ops on this ride were *awesome*, however, as they were running four trains *and* racing every time (first time I've seen that in years!). In fact, they were even trimming the train as it left the station in order to make up for a dispatch slightly ahead of the other. Of course, my train won, even though the blue side's chain is much faster. -Operations on Iron Wolf were also awesome today, as they ran two trains with hardly any stacking. This kept the wait to about 20 minutes all day. -I skipped B:TR because I didn't feel like waiting in that queue (it was, of course, full). I paid more attention to the old "alternate" enterances and found both of them. Funny I've never seen them before. -Deja Vu is beautiful - I managed two awesome rides today. After riding it earlier in the month with George, Josh, Brian, and Jeremy I was very displeased and worried that perhaps I had built the ride up too much to myself over the off-season. Last year I thought I got some great rides on it but it felt really slow and forceless when I rode after SRM. Today Deja Vu was *flying*, with gray out level g-forces in the vertical loop and airtime everywhere. I sat in the very front the first time around and the very back the second time. I honestly couldn't say which is better. The g-forces are *slightly* better in the front, as is the fall from lift two, but the airtime in the back is more abundant and incredible throughout. I might give a *slight* nod to the front for the wicked-crazy visuals, but either seat gives a ride I would almost classify as a religious experience. It's running even better than last year (ride-wise) and, here's the biggest surprise, it ran all day without breaking down! I waited for an hour and 45 minutes the first time around and 1.5 hours the second time. It was absolutely worth the wait both times, as each time I exited dizzy, lightheaded, and with a *huge* grin on my face. -There are still some problems with Deja Vu. For some reason, it's not alligning correctly when it returns to the station off lift one and, after "parking" the first time, slowly inches forward about three feet before the restraints unlock. This adds about a minute to the loading time, something this ride absolutely does *not* need. Average cycle times were five minutes today (1:30 for the ride, 3:30 for loading). That's inexcusable for *any* park, even if they have to essentially check restraints twice. One solution would be to limit carry-on items (make people leave them in a locker before entering the line). Another would be to check seatbelts and OTSRs simultaneously. Finally, a crew that doesn't stand around and talk while they should be checking restraints would be helpful. This is the only poor crew I saw all day...too bad they're working the lowest capacity ride. Hopefully Six Flags gets its act together here and realizes that a three-four minute loading time is ridiculous. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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From coasterdude18@juno.com Sun Jun 30 23:56:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 06:56:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 33731 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 06:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 06:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 06:56:29 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/EYzD6zq9eBifKyRNPTOfZpuipcYU9YLI"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G6L6B3QV; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 02:56:04 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:58:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sam's Photos Message-ID: <20020701.015934.-1896859.5.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-8 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Sam is my mom. So do not think it is a virus, Ok. Sorroy :-( Great pictures, Dainan. It looks like you guys had a lot of fun. Care to offer any thoughts on Dorney? Did you enjoy Talon and Laser? Did you fall asleep on Steel Force? Would you classify Hercules as not much more than good firewood? -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Jul 01 00:37:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 07:37:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 42248 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 07:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 07:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 07:37:28 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/gExjCYe0r7iht6CgXqVswU0/PvUlnELh"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G6L8PG8L; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 03:37:15 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:41:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGAm gets its act together... Message-ID: <20020701.024128.-1896859.6.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,14-16 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > ...well, most of it anyway. Replying to my own post because I forgot two things: -B:TR is still running one train with no wheel covers (shame on you, SFGAm!) -I rode the train around the park for the first time. To me, it doesn't look like there's much space for a new coaster between B:TR, Orleans Place, and Hometown Square (even with Power Dive completely gone). However, there's a very large chunk of land behind the Theatre Royal that I'd much rather see used. I know there are houses over there, but there's already a *huge* hill constructed, I assume, as a sound buffer. Ride the train and look off to the left to see what I mean...maybe next time I'll take pictures. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jul 01 08:32:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 15:32:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 11176 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 15:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 15:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 15:32:14 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.12f.13a81b26 (3734) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12f.13a81b26.2a51cff1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:32:01 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Sam's Photos To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan In a message dated 7/1/02 2:56:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: << > Sam is my mom. So do not think it is a virus, Ok. Sorroy :-( Great pictures, Dainan. It looks like you guys had a lot of fun. Care to offer any thoughts on Dorney? It was better thjan any Six Flags park I've bean to(It was my first time there thow). Did you enjoy Talon and Laser? They where excellent. I rode both three times. I sat in the second row twice, and first row once on Talon. Did you fall asleep on Steel Force?It was alot of fun but no I did not fall a sleep. Would you classify Hercules as not much more than good firewood? Yes I would. -Nate >>Dainan From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 12:29:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 19:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 85448 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 19:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 19:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 19:29:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2002 19:29:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:29:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: Update on Whizzer Parts Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 489 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy To satisfy my own curiosity I called a customer of mine today who supplies Schwarzkopf parts to parks worldwide. According to them, the prices on parts for rides like the speedracers, jet stars, etc. have risen very little in price, save for inflation. They said the one reason why the Schwarzkopf rides are so popular in South America, Africa (i.e. places with burgeoning amusement industries) is because they are still affordable for parks with weak currencies to fix. Adam From eeyoredj@hotmail.com Mon Jul 01 15:30:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: eeyoredj@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 22:30:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11886 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 22:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 22:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 22:30:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2002 22:30:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:30:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Six Flags Magic Mountain- June 16, 2002 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 522 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "eeyoredj" X-Originating-IP: 63.202.153.132 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24200045 X-Yahoo-Profile: eeyoredj I must agree with you that goliath has the most comfortable seats I've been in on a coaster not to mention the smoothest coaster I've ever been on.. BUT You shoulda sat in the very back.. in the front you're already halfway down the hill before you get any speed.. I did the front ONE time cause my friend wanted to and I was bored.. But Im kinda Back seat snob on coasters except in the case of superman and riddlers revenge.. those must be very front.. :) even tho the wait on riddlers is RIDICULOUS.. LOL.. Kari From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 16:56:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Jul 2002 23:56:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 10034 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 23:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 23:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 23:56:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020701235630.8772.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.61.29] by web20606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:56:30 PDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Now I know I've left you hanging on the "Texas Soap Opera". But please believe me when I say that I had fully intended on not writing any more TRs till I did my SFFT and SWT review. But on Friday, something (or things) happened that compelled me to write. So here it is. Just think of this as that time on South Park when everyone was all hyped to know who Catman's father was then they pre-empted the episode for a "Terrance and Phillp" adventure =] And only for Nate's benefit, as this has nothing to do with the instant TR, David Curley was the REALLY weird guy from Team GRP. I was re-watching the 30 Coasters in 24 Hours show when I typed that reply and DC said he liked to call smaller coasters "junior" coasters, because "kiddie makes it seem like I cant ride it" (his words not mine!) Everythinbg following this paragraph has been posted to CoasterBuzz. If you've already read it there, there is no reason to read it here (unless you really wanna!) I really had no intention on writing this particular trip report, but since this trip made me realize that I pretty much have NOTHING in common with the average so-called "enthusiast", I think it is fitting that I write. I will only compare rides of similar type (hypers to hypers, shuttles to shuttles, woodies to woodies). For all comparisons, I will use a modified version of the ubiquitous Griswold scale but instead of using the numbers -3 to +5, I will use words instead to give more life to the TRs. The rankings are as follows: -3 = SUCK-TACTULAR -2 = CRAP-TASTIC -1 = WOMPS 0 = AIIGHT +1 = NOTABLE +2 = INTRIGUING +3 = IMPRESSIVE +4 = AWESOME +5 = WAY SCHWAY Where: Dorney Park: Allentown, Pennsylvania When: June 29, 2002 Why: Coaster Madness Weather: Very Warm, bordering hot, but not muggy Weary Willies (crowds): Very Very light. Okay, this was my first ever trip up to Dorney Park. My "girlfriend" (and I use the term loosely =]) 'T' and I decided to go away for a weekend. She wanted to know what goes on at these "events" so I brought her along. We'd also visit HerseyPark (The Sweetest Place on Earth) but that has nothing to do with this review =]. Anyway, I had made arrangements to meet up with POSSE members CoasterMan Mike and Joe. T asked me how I was supposed to meet up with them. I said we'd find each other and there was no need to worry. Sure enough, as we were in line buying tickets, they walked up right behind us. We got tickets, went in the gates and headed in for the mornings ERT. OVERALL IMPRESSION OF THE PARK: INTRIGUING Dorney was not an immediate favorite of mine, but it was also far from the worst. Many have said that walking in reminded them of Cedar Point. Here I have to dissent. It didnt seem like Cedar Point at all to me from a midway stand point. Also the joke of the day would be "TRASH CANS". Okay, I realize that Cedar Fair wants to "peer pressure" people into using trash cans, but I think this park is an example of OVERKILL. From just outside the restrooms near the main gate, there were no less than THIRTY-FIVE (35!) trash cans in plain sight. For Pete's sake, there were over 20 of them outside the ticket booth BEFORE you even get in the park. Walking along the midway, you are never more than a body length away from a trash can. Hell, if you ever trip and fall, dont worry, there will be a trash can to cushion your landing! I understand the motivation, but it was visually assaulting as the cans really STUCK OUT (again, I think this was the point, I just didnt like it). Morning ERT was on Talon and Hercules. Well, you can guess where we headed. Practically every report says that Herc sucks so why waste valuble ERT time on that (especially since I had no idea how crowded the park would get). Needless to say, we queued up for Talon. Now, the first thing I noticed was that Talon was running a single train (what? could this really happen at a Cedar Fair park :rolleyes). No matter, our wait wasnt too long. While in line a woman called out "Hostyl" from the top of the stairs and waved. I waved back, but I really wasnt sure who it was. When she turned her back to me and I saw the "Cowgirl" shirt, I realized that it was Tal-er, Mag-umm RAPTOR-Jo. So many times we'd been in the vicinity of each other but never met in the flesh, throughout the day we'd run into each other and talk and she was so cool (T even made a point to say "she" liked Raptor Jo =]). But you all dont really care about the "heart string" stories, so I'll just get to the rides. TALON: B&M 4-inversion invert: AWESOME What can I say, this ride rules! There was absolutely nothing "wrong" with this ride. We ended up with MANY rides on Talon throughout the day (I didnt keep count). Front seat, back seat, random seat, hell, I liked it so much, I even felt good riding in the middle seats of the row (where no self-respecting enthusiast would want to find themself). It had the frantic pacing of B:TR, the great ending helix of Raptor and screw any of you who think this ride is "forceless"! It felt just as intense to me as Fire Dragon. In a hard fought competition of inverts, I think Talon is right there with Alpengeist as my #3 (behind Montu and Lil' Montu aka TG:TJC). The most "standout" portion of the ride is the drop into the on ride photo. So few invert have real "airtime" and that gives a nice good long float down. Also, even if you go as limp as a rag doll, you will never hit your head on the restraints. I dont care what other people say, B&M, I appreciate you all engineering the hell out of your rides. Makes them all that much more enjoyable to ride. I should also note that this was T's favorite ride of the trip (even though she said it made her dizzy). If I had to make *one* disparaging remark, it's that I missed the B&M Roar. Why *did* they make Talon so quiet anyway? Because of the waterpark? After about two ERT rides, there was a pretty lenghty delay as they added the second train. But I really dont think that anyone left the line to go to Herc (suprise, suprise). We stayed on Talon till ERT almost ran out then decided that we should make our way over to Steel Force. But, before we did that, we decided that we should hit the "other" ERT coaster, if for nothing but the count. They were only running a single train (how *dare* they) so after an "outrageous" 7 minute wait, we found ourselves in a random seat near the front on: HERCULES: Summers & Dinn woodie: AWESOME Yes, you read that right, I am giving Herc a good ol' +4 rating. I'll explain in a sec. First off, prior to this trip, T confessed to me that she *hates* wooden coasters. She likes the steel (or metal as she says it) coasters primarily because they "have loops and stuff". It took a moment of coaxing to get her on the ride. Well, based on all the things I had heard about this ride, I was expecting it to be rough as hell and to suck like a Hoover and thought we'd only ride once so she'd better come now. After my experience with Rattler @ SFFT, I was prepared for the worst (note: I didnt find Rattler too rough per se, but the ride was still garbage). I gave her the proper riding instructions: Sit up straight, keep your back OFF the back rest, and hold on TIGHT (though I noticed that she fell from form a couple of times). As we run out to the lift there is a little shimmy and T proclaims "I already hate this ride". I'm thinking in my head, "It's only going to get worse..." Well, we get to the top of the lift, do a little turn and start down the drop. Well I should say "try" to start down the drop, of course the trim brakes are holding us back =]. So we drop, which was fun, and approach the turn where I expect all hell to break loose. Then POW, BANG, BOOM.....nothing. What roughness are you people complaining about? Sorry, I missed it. The rest of the ride was spent with me giggling at T because she was screaming like she thought she was going to die. We got off, and I thought, "That was really decent". T reiterated "I hate that ride!" Joe was kinda indifferent. Mike agreed with T. I later thought that the only reason I got a decent ride was because I "knew how to ride it". So later in the day, I took rides in the very front and one "reckless abandon" ride in the backseat with hands up and back against the rest. What I was treated to on that ride was not "Hurt-me-Please" but 4 bona-fide moments of ejector air. Personally, any coaster that can do that is worthy of being in my favorites list. IMO, PKD's Hurler on the curves is about ten times worse than Herc. So when you all say Herc is rough, just like a neutered dog, I dont get it. Well after our Herc ride, the park is now officially open so we take a spin on Dorney's "New for 2002" attraction: METEOR: Zamperla Hawk48: NOTABLE I dont have too much to say about this ride other than the "Face/Off" style seats feel WAY too close to each other. Also, I was suprised at how quickly it gets to looping. Having ridden carnie KAMIKAZEE rides which are similar, I was used to more back and forth swinging before looping. It was a decent ride though not something I wait a long time for. I should note here that since there was no line, the op allowed some other rides to stay put for a reride. The four of us, OTOH, were off to other things. We saw a line gathering for the wild mouse, but the queue had not yet been opened (what? you mean all the rides werent running *AT* the posted opening time?) so we went next door to the swings. They were running a cycle with people on it so we joined the line believing we would be on soon. Well when the cycle ended and the passengers disembarked, the young woman working the ride said that the ride would be closed for a few minutes. I vauguely remember her mentioning some sort of inspection needed to take place (so early after opening?). No matter, the line we were waiting for opened up and we headed over to: WILD MOUSE: Maurer-Sohne Wild Mouse: AIIGHT Okay, I just dont like wild mouse coasters PERIOD. They do nothing for me. The only thing of note here is that Dorney would not allow the four of us (me, Mike, Joe and T) to ride in the same car, citing that it would be "too heavy". Now none of us are big in ANY way, but that was how it had to be so we were sent two to a car, one in the front left, the other in the back right (note, we all rode together on Hershey's mouse the next day). CHA-CHING! Let's move on. So now we were on our way to get to Steel Force. Stuck our head in the "Snoopy" area to see if we could ride the Woodstock Express, but it was closed for an undetermined reason. I also noticed that several attractions, including the giant inflatable Snoopy trampoline-type thingy was down. Oh well, what do I care, they wouldnt let me in anyway. I *did* feel kinda bad though for the employees that were there guarding the queues. They looked SOOO bored. We passed by Dominator (what a silly name) and T asked me if I would ride something like that. Of course I replied "sure". I mean who wouldnt? She just gave me that "You're crazy" look and shook her head, we moved on. By now, we all realized that we had been walking a long time and still were not really close to Steel Force. Could they have PUT the rides any further apart? Moreover, they have two trains rides in the park....but neither of them goes anywhere. Dorney could really use some sort of transit system to get from Talon to Steel Force. Well, we took another side path, veering from our goal of Steel Force, and stumbled upon: LASER: Schwarzkopf 'Doppel Looping': IMPRESSIVE Okay, I know that this was originally a portable coaster, but does it have to still look like it? I know some are mad with Six Flags and their so-called "Parking Lot Themeing" but at least those coasters dont look like they are going to run away. I'm also not happy with the station assigning seats, but no matter. We got put in a random row in the middle, up the unnecessisarily-slow-moving-lift and down into the Schwarzkopf symphony of swoops and stunning Gs. We got off and T was very dizzy. She liked the ride, but said her head was spinning. The few minutes of downtime while Mike filmed the ride though was enough to get her head right. I should note here that Joe was being a "credit whore" and trying to get as many coasters in as possible. We looked in on Lil Laser, but upon reading the rules, he decided that it would be "too far" to try and get that credit. However, there was another kiddie coaster over there that didnt have such restrictions: DRAGON COASTER: Zamperla 'Dragon Wagon': NOTABLE Not much to say here except that there was a lateral that was a *little* stronger than I expected and caught me off guard. Hence the NOTABLE rating. Proceeding forth, we FINALLY get back to the coaster we had started off in search of oh so long before: STEEL FORCE: Morgan Hypercoaster: IMPRESSIVE WOW are these train roomy or what? T was a little apprehensive about this one as it looked a little too tall. Again, based on reports from all of y'all (why I *still* listen to you is beyond me), I told her that it would be okay and not too scary (what did y'all say, Morgan makes "Family" hypercoasters?). After a one train wait because they only ran two trains not 3, I get her seated next to me in 2.1 and the first thing she notices is that there is really nothing to hold on to. She is too short to feel comfortable grabbing the "black assist bar" and the lap bar wasnt in a good place either. I suggested that she just put her hands up. She wasnt with that. So I said just cross your arms over the bar. That worked. And none too soon as we are now cresting the lift! You know, Steel Force probably *is* the improved version of Magnum. But, IMO, Maggie's so-called 'flaws' are what I like most about the ride. Steel Force was cool, very re-rideable and a lot of fun. But there was no big "thrill" in it for me. But I did get off and wanted to ride again. T was in a whole 'nother camp though. She was not doing well at all. She didnt think the ride was too extreme. She just said that Steel Force made her nauseaous. Mike and Joe went for another ride while I wait with T to see if she was gonna puke. I told them that we were gonna take a walk and we'd meet them back by Steel Force in a bit so that they could power ride. T was all like "I'm sorry I dont want to take from your fun". I'm all like it's not a big deal. After sitting for a moment, we got on ROAD RALLY: Mfg unknown Gas powered cars: WOMPS Yeah, I know this type of ride isnt supposed to be thrilling, but there wasnt even anything interesting to look at. The only thing cool about this ride was I found a park map in our car (I was not given one at the front gate). While on the ride, we saw Mike and Joe walking by after "lapping" SF. We joined up with them and hit up the remaining *big* coaster in the park: THUNDERHAWK: Schmeck figure-eight woodie: IMPRESSIVE Well I didnt have very high hopes for this ride. Sure, I'd heard some self-proclaimed "airtime whores" say this was a suprise or highlight of the park. But I saw the mostly out and back layout (I got the figure-eight from the web site) and thought "ho hum". Well after the annoying four minute wait that should have been a walk on because they ony ran one train, I let Mike and Joe have the "Schmeck Seat" (TM Adam Sandy) 1.3 and me and T sat in front of them in 1.2. By looks alone, this coaster looks like nothing. T even said "I'm just going to relax on this ride" (gotta love PTC trains =]). Around the curve, up the lift, down the hill and over the "bunny hop that doesnt" and "relax" is all you can do because it's down right boring. Then up the "turnaround" hill and all hell broke loose. The entire front car was nearly jettisoned from the tracks. All six of us (including two strangers in the front seat) saw FEAR for a moment because it was so unexpected. T is freaking out thinking the ride is broken. I'm wondering where the hell that air came from. Mike and Joe are laughing hysterically. In the meanwhile, we dip down another drop with nice lateral movement and up the second turnaround hill where we are again greeted with ejection. Another ejection pop and we're on to the bunnies where we are arrested by a conspicuously placed trim brake (well, this *is* a non-GhostRider Cedar Fair woodie). So we sort of limp back to the station. But the six of us up front were all clapping anyway. We we all so shocked by the coaster that it warranted an immediate re-ride. This time we chose a seat near the back. This was not nearly as good a ride. Now it's funny because earlier on Talon, I was telling T that there can be a great difference between front seat and back seat rides. It's not quite as noticeable on Talon, but Thunderhawk was a classic example. At last, she understood. Well it was now getting near 12pm and time for our picnic lunch. But before going to eat, we snagged a quick ride on: DOMINATOR: S&S Space Shot and Turbo Drop: INTRIGUING Okay, for those that dont know, drop rides still scare me, but I've found the S&S versions to be tame enough to ride with enthusiasm (I ride the Intamins with trepidation). I asked T did she want to try it and she firmly said "No". I didnt even try and prod her. We picked the Space Shot side. While there was decent air at the top, nothing to get all excited about. Better than Power Tower @ CP but not quite as good as Dr. Doom @ IOA. From here we went over to the picnic. They had burgers, chicken, and hot dogs. The chicken was a little suspect, but the burger was nice. I dont remember a whole lot of vegetarian fare, but since I aint vegan, I didnt really care. During this time, though after I had finished eating, they started having a raffle and triva contest. Just when I was thinking about getting the POSSE to leave because we were all looking bored, they called my ticket number and I won a Talon hat (what can I say, I'm charmed =]). After eating, we headed back towards the front of the park. We checked in the Snoopy area again, but Woodstock was still not running. We ended up back at Hercules. T was all like "I'm not riding it again" Then I said "but it's the only coaster that did NOT make you sick". After some intense thought, I remember that T said she liked the looping starships but the swinging ships made her sick. I finally deduced that she is "allergic to airtime" (bummer). Anyway, we rode Herc in the front seat and it was better still. Then of course we had to go over for more rides on Talon since there seemed to be no one in the park. Over there, I finally noticed that there *were* some people in the park...the WATER park that is. I think I saw more flesh than water. Well they can just stay over there. We took the long walk *back* to Steel Force. We rode again. T got sick again. With her urging, I went ahead and took a re-ride. Joe and Mike wanted to keep re-riding, but I was like me an T were going to do something else. She had mentioned to me before that she wants to one day go white water rafting. Well I figured that a rapids ride would be a cheap substitute. We told Joe and Mike we'd meet up with them @ 7pm by Talon (it was now circa 2:30pm) and went on our own way. Since we were over there, I suggest riding Laser as that was one of the coasters she liked. So we did. Since there was no line, I said let's ride again. She said she was a little dizzy but I was like you'll be fine. Well the truth was, she wasn't. After that second ride, she said, in true RCT fashion "I feel very sick". It took everything I had to keep from laughing. I tried to get her to sit down, but she complained and said that was worse. She wanted to just wander around aimlessly, even though she couldnt really walk straight. Finally, I didnt give her a choice, I took her over to a water fountain and made her drink (dehydration adds to nausea) then I took her to some benches under the shade of the whip and told her to sit still. After several minutes, she was okay. Feeling a bit better, she was ready to go get wet so we went over to: THUNDER CANYON: Hopkins (?) Rapids: AWESOME Well awesome isnt really the word I want to use. SADISTIC is more like it. As we were putting our stuff in a locker, another cat I know came up and exclaimed that there were no less than ELEVEN waterfalls on this ride. As we get closer and closer to the ride, I dont see ANYONE with a patch of dry on them. Now, the boats on this ride are strange (which is why I think it's a Hopkins not an Intamin). There is no center grab bar. Instead the only grab bar is located behind the rider's calves. This ride NEEDS a grab bar because when you hit the sidewalls, the boat spins VIOLENTLY. I'm talking The Legend-like laterals. It was cool. Needless to say, I got off the ride totally drenched. Well since we were already thoroughly wet, we decided to go ahead and ride the "big honkin boat" ride: WHITE WATER LANDING: Hopkins (?) Shoot-the-Chutes: IMPRESSIVE Honestly, there isnt too much one can do with these rides. It was nice that they put a tunnel around the upper turnaround part. The ride didnt get as wet as some STCs, but still plenty wet enough. We then stood on the bridge for the splash, but it was REALLY whimpy. It basically only amounted to a spray. They could take a lesson from HersheyPark's Tidal Force about getting folks soaked. With that, we took leave of the park for a while to change clothes and rest a bit (the entire purpose of getting a room right across the street). I wasnt sure how long we were going to stay, but we ended up using just about every minute up until we had to meet Joe and Mike. We got over to Talon with about five minutes to spare. Not seeing Joe and Mike standing by the entrance, I said to T "come on, let's get a quick ride". She was like "Okay, but I hope your friends wont leave you for being late". I retorted, "Knowing them, they are probably on the ride themselves". Sure enough, just as we get into the station, we see them on the train pulling out. We get another great ride and I realize this coaster is starting to grow on me like B:KF. It just feels "right". We grab another quick ride "ensemble" then head off in search of dinner. We again exit the park and head up to TGIFridays which is suprisingly uncrowded for a Friday evening. I get a bunch of stares and our waitress even commented about my shirt. I ditched my soaking wet "Only the Gods Can Spare You Now" TITAN shirt for my "Wanna Ride a Woodie?" Texas Cyclone shirt. We ate then attempted to buy alcohol from a liquor store, but eastern Penn has some phucked up rules regarding who sells liquor. Give me good old Illinois where you can get beer in any grocery store (or just give me "The Hood" where there is a liquor store on every corner =]). Back to the park, and back to Talon for several rides. One of which, while queue for the back row a cat asked "Are you Hostyl" (or maybe he actually said Jeremy) and it was none other than Jon Zerkel of RCTalk. He immediately chastised me saying "I thought you said you were going to wear a TITAN shirt". I tried to explain that the other shirt was wet, but I'm not sure he bought it =]. Then it was on to a final ride on Hercules. Here is where I did the backseat "reckless abandon" ride. Now I'd be lying to you if I said that there was no shaking or shimmying on the lake turn. But, IMHO, it was nothing to get your panties in a twist about. I guess I'm just built tougher than the average enthusiast. I have been on ALL the so called "Rough Rider Woodies": Rattler, Son of Beast, Hercules, Mean Streak, Raging Wolf Bobs, HershyPark Wildcat. I've thought some were fantastic (Sonny) and others were crap (Rattler) but not a one of them was PAINFUL to me. So, I guess I'll just say this now, I will gracefully bow out of any "roughness" discussion from this point forward because I honestly have no clue what the hell you folks are talking about. And I'm sure that you think I'm off my gourd for not agreeing with you. SANDY-NORRIS clause has been invoked. Anyway, here is where I got those numerous moments of ejector air. Pure Bliss for me. Even though T was like "I still hate it" she was more than willing to ride (like I said before, it was the only one that didnt get her sick). So we are slowly making our way back to the Steel Force / Thunderhawk area for the night's ERT, trying to hit things on the way. We pass by Snoopy and what do you know? That little yellow bird was flying so we hopped on: WOODSTOCK EXPRESS: Zamperla kiddie: Notable Hey it's a kiddie ride. Not much more needs to be said, so I wont. Moving along we flirt with the idea of Dominator down. I suggest that we go over to Laser first (cause T liked it though it made her sick...) so we get a ride on Laser and T is fine. She reckoned that all the cold water from the water rides helped her deal with everything after that. We go back over to Dominator and the line is already closed. The big clock they have in the middle of the park (nice touch) was reading 10pm so it was justified. Non-plussed, we went over to Thunderhawk and caught a ride in 1.2 and a re-ride in 1.3. Still good ejection. Then it was time for some Force so we just grabbed random seats in the middle. One ride was enough for her. While the water may have helped with the dizziness, her "airtime allergy" was unaffected. She got out but basically demanded that I stay so I took three straight rides (this was an ERT that was actually EXCLUSIVE!) I then got off and suggested that we ride Thunderhawk since she kinda liked that one too. We get over to Thunderhawk and notice that 1.3 is roped off. I guess there was a little TOO much ejection there. So we parked it in 2.1 for like three rides. Then someone bumped us from that row and the ride op suggested that we just fill an empty row so we maxed out in 2.3 for a ride or two. T said she needed the faclities so I said meet me over by Steel Force as ERT was nearing an end. I got a couple quick random seat rides (I dont think I ever hit 1.3) then capped the night off with a front seat ride on the next to last train of the night. It was a very fun filled day. Any day that I spend with fun-loving people is a winner in my book. The *only* dissapointment that I can mention is that I never ran into the Wiredogs. My guess is that they had a last minute change of plans. No matter. Our paths will cross again in the future. Now, if you've really read this far, you have too much time on your hands =]. Step away from the computer, go to the fridge and grab yourself a beer (or milkshake for the < 21 crowd). Go ahead! You deserve it! lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jul 01 18:14:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 01:14:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29475 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 01:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 01:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 01:14:46 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.11f.12f0047a (14377) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11f.12f0047a.2a525880@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:14:40 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan In a message dated 7/1/02 7:58:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scrunch17@yahoo.com writes: << "I already hate this ride". I'm thinking in my head, "It's only going to get worse..." Well, we get to the top of the lift, do a little turn and start down the drop. Well I should say "try" to start down the drop, of course the trim brakes are holding us back =]. So we drop, which was fun, and approach the turn where I expect all hell to break loose. Then POW, BANG, BOOM.....nothing. What roughness are you people complaining about? Sorry, I missed it. The rest of the ride was spent with me giggling at T because she was screaming like she thought she was going to die. We got off, and I thought, "That was really decent". T reiterated "I hate that ride!" Joe was kinda indifferent. Mike agreed with T. >> My brother and I rode this ride for ert that day.(Actually I think it was the second to the last ride for ert when we rode it.) We rode and hated it. It was so rough, rougher than the Riverside Cyclone! WE always wanted to ride, but now we are not even sure if we want to ride it again. IT WAS AWFUL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dainan From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Mon Jul 01 19:10:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 02:10:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 31516 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 02:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 02:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 02:10:45 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.c6.ddd5c90 (3657) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:10:38 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Six Flags Magic Mountain- June 18, 2002 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/02 2:28:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, afrsandy@yahoo.com writes: > PTC carousel 21 (from West > Haven, Milford, Savin Rock) was nearby so we got a ride. As seems to be > the > rule in California the band organ was not working. The outside rim was > beautiful, but this was the only really nice part of the ride. The inner > drum had unpainted wood nailed up on it, the horses were fiberglass > replicas > (Six Flags has the originals in storage) and the originals chariots were > painted white and their upholstered seats were filled with graffiti. On > the > one had I do understand the park not wanting all the horses out if they > will > be ruined because of the year-round operation and if the clientele wants to > tag it. However, why do they feel the need to keep these great horses > locked up in a warehouse someplace where only 10 people see them all year? > I would like to see some of the horses used in a display where the public > could not get to them- but at least they could be seen. It is amazing that > the park restricts the sight of something that sits in a warehouse > year-round. They were even stingy when the Savin Rock museum asked to > borrow a horse for a little while. > first the museum offered to BUY one horse, then offered to lease one horse, then offered to pay them, pay for first class shipping down here, then pay fo r first class shipping back after a week just so one of the horses would be here for the gala opening of the museum. NO DEAL, i talked with the guy who actually called the park and sent all the letters and he said the guys he talked with were all complete jerks about the whole thing. it really is sad. mike -likes when people talk about his home town (that being west haven, and i havent even been to the museum yet even though i signed, i still wonder if anyone has any info on the beautiful carosel at lighthouse point park in new haven, because that thing is a beauty with 4 horses across, hand carved wood, and i think the original band organ (its about 5 mins from my house, but i know very little about it) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 01 21:47:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 04:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 19343 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 04:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 04:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp011.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 04:47:25 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 04:47:24 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: LAST CHANCE: RCT Event Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:44:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Just a final reminder, this is your last chance to let me know about your participation in the RCT event at Kennywood, Conneaut Lake and Six Flags Worlds of Adventure. Please e-mail me off the list at afrsandy@yahoo.com . A schedule for the event will be available later this week. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 07:49:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 14:49:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 18386 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 14:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 14:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 14:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2002 14:49:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:49:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020701235630.8772.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4854 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > It had the > frantic pacing of B:TR, the great ending helix of > Raptor and screw any of you who think this ride is > "forceless"! It felt just as intense to me as Fire > Dragon. In a hard fought competition of inverts, I > think Talon is right there with Alpengeist as my #3 > (behind Montu and Lil' Montu aka TG:TJC). Oy, this is going to be one of those TR's :). Thank God you already invoked the ole' clause. Perhaps it was because it was downright cold during my post-PPP visit last fall, but it just did not feel close to my rides on Fire @ IOA or Batman @ SFMM. B&M definitley get a nod for giving us a new, creative layout with the very cool turn around after the zero-g roll. >The most > "standout" portion of the ride is the drop into the on > ride photo. So few invert have real "airtime" and > that gives a nice good long float down. Also, even if > you go as limp as a rag doll, you will never hit your > head on the restraints. Agreed. That was a very good part of the ride and a nice surprise. > HERCULES: Summers & Dinn woodie: AWESOME You are a sick, sick man. That is all I can say! > By now, we all realized that we had been walking a > long time and still were not really close to Steel > Force. Could they have PUT the rides any further > apart? Moreover, they have two trains rides in the > park....but neither of them goes anywhere. Dorney > could really use some sort of transit system to get > from Talon to Steel Force. Just a note. The large train used to have a larger layout, but it got really chopped up after Talon was put in. Granted, it still doesn't go anywhere, but it did change. I think the problem stems from two issues. First, the old entrance used to be by Thunderhawk's station. The park grew some in the back with the water park back there, but with the new gate and midway being up by Talon the park's growth has exploded in that area. Secondly, I think it would be very hard to get a train to run from the low area of the park to the high area because of the severe grade. This would, however, be a perfect park for a skyride (more parks need 'em!). > LASER: Schwarzkopf 'Doppel Looping': IMPRESSIVE You already know how I feel about this one! > T was in a whole 'nother camp though. She was not > doing well at all. She didnt think the ride was too > extreme. She just said that Steel Force made her > nauseaous. Mike and Joe went for another ride while I > wait with T to see if she was gonna puke. I told them > that we were gonna take a walk and we'd meet them back > by Steel Force in a bit so that they could power ride. > T was all like "I'm sorry I dont want to take from > your fun". I'm all like it's not a big deal. After > sitting for a moment, we got on Get that woman some dramamine. Had she had this problem on other park visits? >"Schmeck Seat" (TM Adam > Sandy) 1.3 and me and T sat in front of them in 1.2. Thanks for the nod. > By looks alone, this coaster looks like nothing. T > even said "I'm just going to relax on this ride" > (gotta love PTC trains =]). Around the curve, up the > lift, down the hill and over the "bunny hop that > doesnt" and "relax" is all you can do because it's > down right boring. Then up the "turnaround" hill and > all hell broke loose. The entire front car was nearly > jettisoned from the tracks. All six of us (including > two strangers in the front seat) saw FEAR for a moment > because it was so unexpected. T is freaking out > thinking the ride is broken. I'm wondering where the > hell that air came from. Mike and Joe are laughing > hysterically. In the meanwhile, we dip down another > drop with nice lateral movement and up the second > turnaround hill where we are again greeted with > ejection. Another ejection pop and we're on to the > bunnies where we are arrested by a conspicuously > placed trim brake (well, this *is* a non-GhostRider > Cedar Fair woodie). So we sort of limp back to the > station. I am wondering if the trim on the top of the first turn was not on? From people I have talked to the return trip was insane, especially since there was no trim and an additional bunny hop. Definitley a fun ride (and my favorite wooden coaster in the park! :). > Well since we were already thoroughly wet, we decided > to go ahead and ride the "big honkin boat" ride: > > WHITE WATER LANDING: Hopkins (?) Shoot-the-Chutes: > IMPRESSIVE I want to say this was an Arrow, but I am not sure. Did you guys do the flume? It is fun and the trip down the mountain is unique. > Now, if you've really read this far, you have too much > time on your hands =]. Step away from the computer, > go to the fridge and grab yourself a beer (or > milkshake for the < 21 crowd). Go ahead! You deserve > it! Or it is a slow day at work! Thanks for the TR, Adam From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 02 11:24:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 18:24:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 44141 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 18:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 18:24:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out019.verizon.net) (206.46.170.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 18:24:34 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([63.187.160.64]) by out019.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020702182432.THKD17675.out019.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:24:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3D21EF49.7010406@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:22:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Six Flags Magic Mountain- June 16, 2002 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash eeyoredj wrote: > I must agree with you that goliath has the most comfortable seats > I've been in on a coaster not to mention the smoothest coaster I've > ever been on.. BUT You shoulda sat in the very back.. in the front > you're already halfway down the hill before you get any speed.. I did > the front ONE time cause my friend wanted to and I was bored.. But Im > kinda Back seat snob on coasters except in the case of superman and > riddlers revenge.. those must be very front.. :) even tho the wait on > riddlers is RIDICULOUS.. LOL.. Kari LOL, I would actually almost have to disagree with you a bit. Treat Goliath's seating like it was a Schmeck coaster. Sit in 1.3, and you're in for a great ride- much better than the front seat in my opinion. I tend to float between 1.3 and the last seat on it. Both are equal but different if you know what I mean. And Riddlers? Only place to ride it for me is in the back row. Hangtime, pull throughs, a few pops of airtime. Only thing you get in the front is the view and the wind. But then that's just me. And all my family thinks I'm nuts anyways, :-0 Keep on ridin' George > > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 02 11:24:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 18:24:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 10802 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 18:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 18:24:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out019.verizon.net) (206.46.170.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 18:24:31 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([63.187.160.64]) by out019.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020702182428.THJW17675.out019.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3D21EDE8.4000108@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:16:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 References: <20020701235630.8772.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Great TR as usual Jeremey. Of course you know this one's getting some comments though... :-) Jeremy Norris wrote: > > > TALON: B&M 4-inversion invert: AWESOME > What can I say, this ride rules! Totally agreed here. When looking back over my list, Talon is my number 2 invert behind SFMM's B:TR, and even that's a tossup based on mood. Raptor isn't even in the running. ;-) > > > HERCULES: Summers & Dinn woodie: AWESOME > Yes, you read that right, I am giving Herc a good ol' > +4 rating. So we drop, which was fun, and approach > the turn where I expect all hell to break loose. Then > POW, BANG, BOOM.....nothing. What roughness are you > people complaining about? Sorry, I missed it. The > rest of the ride was spent with me giggling at T > because she was screaming like she thought she was > going to die. We got off, and I thought, "That was > really decent". T reiterated "I hate that ride!" Joe > was kinda indifferent. Mike agreed with T. In all honesty I can't say that my ride on Herc was painful. But when I rode it was early in the morning on a cool day and it literally crawled through it's course. Did you feel like you were going to valley on the last turn into the station? We sure did. But I avoided what the others said was a much rougher ride later on. I certainly wouldn't call it awesome, but it wasn't horrible on my rides either. It just wasn't that good for me- to many brakes. I'd be in Joe's camp I think, while it seems like most are like Mike and T. > So when you all say Herc is rough, > just like a neutered dog, I dont get it. Sounds like me when people are complaining about rough Arrows. :-) > > > WILD MOUSE: Maurer-Sohne Wild Mouse: AIIGHT > Okay, I just dont like wild mouse coasters PERIOD. > They do nothing for me. The only thing of note here > is that Dorney would not allow the four of us (me, > Mike, Joe and T) to ride in the same car, citing that > it would be "too heavy". Now none of us are big in > ANY way, but that was how it had to be so we were sent > two to a car, one in the front left, the other in the > back right (note, we all rode together on Hershey's > mouse the next day). CHA-CHING! Let's move on. Strange. On our visit they had no problem putting 4 full grown guys into a car, and you know how big we are- abotu the same size as your group. Sounds like the ops were just looking for something to do. I also have to say that Dorney had one of the most unimpressive mice I've ever been on. Slow ops, slow loading, to many brakes being used. Just not much to bring you back to it. > > > > STEEL FORCE: Morgan Hypercoaster: IMPRESSIVE > WOW are these train roomy or what? T was a little > apprehensive about this one as it looked a little too > tall. Again, based on reports from all of y'all (why > I *still* listen to you is beyond me), I told her that > it would be okay and not too scary (what did y'all > say, Morgan makes "Family" hypercoasters?). Hmm, did you miss my report? For a brief time (Oct- January) this guy had actually cracked my top 5. I love Steel Force, and certainly wouldn't call it a family hypercoaster- definatly not like my ride on Raging Bull (sorry). I certainly wouldn't let my daughter ride this beast yet, nor would I put someone nervous about coasters on it real quick without a lot of warming up. > > > You know, Steel Force probably *is* the improved > version of Magnum. But, IMO, Maggie's so-called > 'flaws' are what I like most about the ride. Steel > Force was cool, very re-rideable and a lot of fun. > But there was no big "thrill" in it for me. But I did > get off and wanted to ride again. I would also have to put SF in the "improved Maggie" categorie just simply because the camelbacks on the return didn't have as hard of a painful smacking sensation as you went up and down. (not that Maggie hurt much, it didn't. just enough to be uncomfortable). I wouldn't say that either of them has a "big thrill" at this point compared to what else is out there, but each definately once did, and still packs a good punch considering what's come out since then. > ok, and way back at the begining you wrote: > I really had no intention on writing this particular > trip report, but since this trip made me realize that > I pretty much have NOTHING in common with the average > so-called "enthusiast", I think it is fitting that I > write. and near the end you popped out with > I > guess I'm just built tougher than the average > enthusiast. I have been on ALL the so called "Rough > Rider Woodies": Rattler, Son of Beast, Hercules, Mean > Streak, Raging Wolf Bobs, HershyPark Wildcat. I noticed that you don't have SFMM's great twosome Psyclone and Flashback listed. Wonder how they would fit in on your list. > I've > thought some were fantastic (Sonny) and others were > crap (Rattler) but not a one of them was PAINFUL to > me. So, I guess I'll just say this now, I will > gracefully bow out of any "roughness" discussion from > this point forward because I honestly have no clue > what the hell you folks are talking about. And I'm > sure that you think I'm off my gourd for not agreeing > with you. SANDY-NORRIS clause has been invoked. You may well be a bit tougher than the rest of us. And it's obvious that you enjoy the hard and sudden lats and forceful "surprises" that some of the coastes give. That's ok. Off your gourd? no way, you just enjoy a different kind of ride. But then isn't that part of what makes you the "hostyl one"- wanting a hostyl ride? :-) But if that's the only thing that you think is keeping you from being a full fledged membe of the "enthusiast crowd", then your ship is really sunk as they are some of the few I've found that really like rides like that. You're in deeper than you'd like to admit (as am I). Time to admit it already. :-) > > > > Now, if you've really read this far, you have too much > time on your hands =]. Step away from the computer, > go to the fridge and grab yourself a beer (or > milkshake for the < 21 crowd). Go ahead! You deserve > it! Umm, I think I'll pass on the beer and take one of those milkshakes myself. Or maybe a Pepsi. ;-) keep on ridin' George -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Tue Jul 02 13:52:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 20:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 30284 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA510436 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:53:04 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256BEA.0072478C ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:48:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256BEA.007245C7.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:51:50 -0400 Subject: Re: CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: Jeremy Norris ...back to Talon for several rides. One of which, while queue for the back row a cat asked "Are you Hostyl" (or maybe he actually said Jeremy) and it was none other than Jon Zerkel of RCTalk. He immediately chastised me saying "I thought you said you were going to wear a TITAN shirt". I tried to explain that the other shirt was wet, but I'm not sure he bought it =]. >>> Actually, it was me, and I said "Jeremy," trying to be polite, and not sure the of the right way to pronounce "hostyl". And I only mentioned the shirt because you said that's how you'd be recognized, since I really didn't know what you looked like. Anyway, I'll post my own abbreviated trip report soon. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 02 15:39:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Jul 2002 22:39:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23008 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 22:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2002 22:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp018.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 22:39:36 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 22:39:36 -0000 To: Subject: Re: CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256BEA.007245C7.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >>and it was none other than Jon Zerkel of RCTalk. >Actually, it was me, So in this case it was Zucker, not Zerkel. Adam who couldn't resist *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jul 02 20:05:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 03:05:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 6703 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 03:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 03:05:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 03:05:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:05:41 -0700 Received: from 207.68.82.253 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:05:41 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 23:05:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 03:05:41.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[83F196C0:01C2223E] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.82.253] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Looks like Adam beat us all to this great response.... >>and it was none other than Jon Zerkel of RCTalk. >Actually, it was me, So in this case it was Zucker, not Zerkel. Adam who couldn't resist quick to the draw on that one! jeRemy D. -daniels not norris ???? nevermind- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Tue Jul 02 22:12:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 05:12:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 37234 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 05:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 05:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 05:12:32 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.93.1f7a84ab (18407) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93.1f7a84ab.2a53e1bc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:12:28 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/1/02 7:58:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scrunch17@yahoo.com writes: > Now I know I've left you hanging on the "Texas Soap > Opera". But please believe me when I say that I had > fully intended on not writing any more TRs till I did > my SFFT and SWT review. But on Friday, something (or > things) happened that compelled me to write. So here > it is. Just think of this as that time on South Park > when everyone was all hyped to know who Catman's > father was then they pre-empted the episode for a > "Terrance and Phillp" adventure =] > WORST EPISODE EVER!!!!! jk, im still waiting to read those things > > I really had no intention on writing this particular > trip report, but since this trip made me realize that > I pretty much have NOTHING in common with the average > so-called "enthusiast", I think it is fitting that I > write. > i seem to find that alot with myself too, but mostly in the way i look, the way i act and my taste in flat rides and coasters, and food, and...i guess thats enough > I will only compare rides of similar type (hypers to > hypers, shuttles to shuttles, woodies to woodies). > For all comparisons, I will use a modified version of > the ubiquitous Griswold scale but instead of using the > numbers -3 to +5, I will use words instead to give > more life to the TRs. The rankings are as follows: > -3 = SUCK-TACTULAR > -2 = CRAP-TASTIC > -1 = WOMPS > 0 = AIIGHT > +1 = NOTABLE > +2 = INTRIGUING > +3 = IMPRESSIVE > +4 = AWESOME > +5 = WAY SCHWAY > this bothers me because im stupid and i constantly have to check back to see what the ratngs stand for...but i think thats just me' > > > > > OVERALL IMPRESSION OF THE PARK: INTRIGUING > Dorney was not an immediate favorite of mine, but it > was also far from the worst. Many have said that > walking in reminded them of Cedar Point. Here I have > to dissent. It didnt seem like Cedar Point at all to > me from a midway stand point. Also the joke of the > day would be "TRASH CANS". Okay, I realize that Cedar > Fair wants to "peer pressure" people into using trash > cans, but I think this park is an example of OVERKILL. > From just outside the restrooms near the main gate, > there were no less than THIRTY-FIVE (35!) trash cans > in plain sight. For Pete's sake, there were over 20 > of them outside the ticket booth BEFORE you even get > in the park. Walking along the midway, you are never > more than a body length away from a trash can. Hell, > if you ever trip and fall, dont worry, there will be a > trash can to cushion your landing! I understand the > motivation, but it was visually assaulting as the cans > really STUCK OUT (again, I think this was the point, I > just didnt like it). > maybe they just realize that people from PA are just really really lazy so if theres not a trash can with in throwing distance from where they finsh whatever, they will drop it there...damn PA people (thats humor folks, im not bein serious, im gonna be a "PA Person" next year) > > > TALON: B&M 4-inversion invert: AWESOME (what whats that one...ahhhh, +4...) > What can I say, this ride rules! There was absolutely > nothing "wrong" with this ride. We ended up with MANY > rides on Talon throughout the day (I didnt keep > count). Front seat, back seat, random seat, hell, I > liked it so much, I even felt good riding in the > middle seats of the row (where no self-respecting > enthusiast would want to find themself). It had the > frantic pacing of B:TR, the great ending helix of > Raptor and screw any of you who think this ride is > "forceless"! It felt just as intense to me as Fire > Dragon. In a hard fought competition of inverts, I > think Talon is right there with Alpengeist as my #3 > (behind Montu and Lil' Montu aka TG:TJC). > i agree, but talon sits as my number 1 invert (but i havent been on those > two so im not sure) with alpengeist raptor and batman closly behind it > "standout" portion of the ride is the drop into the on > ride photo. So few invert have real "airtime" and > that gives a nice good long float down. for me the whole second half was the best part. the forcess in the first half were amazing (my sis greyed out) but the second half really felt like a suspended coaster with loops the way the banking was just SO natural. and that little pop of air was awsome, but i was expecting it so it didnt add all that much for me. Also, even if> you go as limp as a rag doll, you will never hit your > head on the restraints. I dont care what other people > say, B&M, I appreciate you all engineering the hell > out of your rides. Makes them all that much more > enjoyable to ride. I should also note that this was > T's favorite ride of the trip (even though she said it > made her dizzy). If I had to make *one* disparaging > remark, it's that I missed the B&M Roar. Why *did* > they make Talon so quiet anyway? Because of the > waterpark? the reason the park gave was neighbors, and with its placement right near the border of the park and on top of the hill, it is understandable. but still, the roar just makes the rides THAT much better. It really does add in a little bit more thrill i think. Like on B:DK i hate how its silent becasue the train in a few places makes a weird squak/screeaching noise that is not that enjoyable to hear... and also because of all the vibrating it makes the rattle of the seatbelt sond *that much louder > > HERCULES: Summers & Dinn woodie: AWESOME > Yes, you read that right, I am giving Herc a good ol' > +4 rating. wait!, i thought that was +3, hold on, let me check... > Well, based on all the things I had heard > about this ride, I was expecting it to be rough as > hell and to suck like a Hoover thats exactly what i was expecting, and i think that might have had a little to do with my feelings After my > experience with Rattler @ SFFT, WAIT!!!, what rattler experience??? (hurry up with those TRs, hahah) > Well, > we get to the top of the lift, do a little turn and > start down the drop. Well I should say "try" to start > down the drop, of course the trim brakes are holding > us back =]. So we drop, which was fun, and approach > the turn where I expect all hell to break loose. Then > POW, BANG, BOOM.....nothing. What roughness are you > people complaining about? Sorry, I missed it. I feel the same, the drop was alot of fun, and that turn was pure greatness. Maybe its just because when those people rode, like it responds alot to heat. I rode in the front seat (and then the front seat of another car in the middle) and it was almost glass smoth with some nice floating moments and just alot of fun. and that view, nothing in the world beats that veiw (wel...maybe a few things...) but the ride, overall, is great fun. The beautiful and blindingly fast turn inches about a river and marshland and then the wonderful treck through the structure and then out into the woods...it was just pure fun. My sister is really tiny and thin and get hurt REAL easily, and she thought the ride was great, so you enthusiats must be a bunch of WIMPS!!!! (jk) > > > > > WILD MOUSE: Maurer-Sohne Wild Mouse: AIIGHT > Okay, I just dont like wild mouse coasters PERIOD. > They do nothing for me. The only thing of note here > is that Dorney would not allow the four of us (me, > Mike, Joe and T) to ride in the same car, citing that > it would be "too heavy". Now none of us are big in > ANY way, but that was how it had to be so we were sent > two to a car, one in the front left, the other in the > back right (note, we all rode together on Hershey's > mouse the next day). CHA-CHING! Let's move on. > this is the worst mouse ive ever ridden (well, except maybe the one at lakemont, but that was because i thought i was going to DIE the enitr time) the operations were so horrendously slow, the veiw was kinda lame, there are brakes on EVERY turn, it just really really bugged me...but maybe that was just because i had ridden the wonderful mouse at hershey the day before > > > > > STEEL FORCE: Morgan Hypercoaster: IMPRESSIVE > WOW are these train roomy or what? i think bulky is a better description ; ) > > > You know, Steel Force probably *is* the improved > version of Magnum. But, IMO, Maggie's so-called > 'flaws' are what I like most about the ride. Steel > Force was cool, very re-rideable and a lot of fun. > But there was no big "thrill" in it for me. But I did > get off and wanted to ride again. > i dissagre kinda in a way. I do agree that magnum is better, but then aggain most rides are better than steel force...even hurculese (that should start a fight or two ;-) ) I found herculese to be just plain boring. when i went there was no wait in the morning and a five minute wait at night, but i still only bothered to get 2 rides. It just didnt do anything. In the back seat there was no air at all on the first drop, no pull ovre, no anything. same on all the resulting hills. i think i only got like 1-2 pops of air on the whole thing and the midcourse barley skimed the train. There was just nothing to the ride. the only part i found enjoyable was the fun turnaround with the excelent setting of the marsh and water and such, but that still doesnt bring it up at all from the bottom of my hyper list. my ride at night in seat 1.3 was a little different, but still really really boring with no g's very little air, and just not a good ride. i just cut off the rest...but for me thunderhawk was ok, the trims were all on hard though, but it was nice being kinda in the middle of the park but still ridding threw the forest...i found that unique in a way, but no one else ever mentions that...but i guess im just all-about-the-views. and also, the rapids ride also got me thouroughly soaked, but it was all good because the boat me and my sis got on had 3 or 4 HOOOOOOTTTTTT girls around my age in bikinis...its so hard to pick up girls while your with your sister though...y do i always hang out with my sister again??? lol good TR, i love how these let me relive my own experiences...even if i did never get around to writing my own for that park...or for hershey...and im still only 1/4 of the way through my CI TR...that should be coming out soon...if i ever finish writing it mike -has the coolest sister ever, is reading EVERY trip report that is coming in, and has to post a question [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Tue Jul 02 22:19:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 05:19:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 27218 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 05:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 05:19:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 05:19:08 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.70.1f1b3d2a (18407) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70.1f1b3d2a.2a53e346@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:19:02 EDT Subject: i finnaly got a pic of myself To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 its online on a website, but i have no clue how to get it up on the group site or anything. anyways the two pics are here: http://winosarecool.com/images/IM000252.jpg and http://winosarecool.com/images/IM000251.jpg thanks to whoever can help mike -they are horrible pictures becase they were taken at like 1 in the mornin after a long day of driving and partying From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Jul 02 23:23:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 06:23:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 41901 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 06:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 06:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 06:23:57 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.e5.1a3b2989 (4396) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:23:50 EDT Subject: MISC: Anyone live near HersheyPark that's going to the RCT Event? To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone, My parents have decided to schedule a vacation to Hershey Park July 27th-August 3rd. (yes, that's pretty much a WHOLE week in a Hershey Hotel) And they asked me if I wanted to join them. Of course I'm not going to pass up a chance to visit, as I haven't been there before. Problem is...the RCT event is the 27th at Kennywood. Bah... I was wondering if maybe there was someone on the list that might live near Hershey and will be attending the event. If I could catch a ride to HP sometime after the event I'd be in the money. Perhaps we could make a few stops along the way (I was also thinking of doing SFA and maybe PKD if it's possible. Please e-mail me off list. I REALLY want to go to Hershey to ride the (in)famous Lightning Racer, but I also REALLY should be at out event, being a moderator and all. anyone? Jeremy N?? TIA --Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bill@childsfamily.com Wed Jul 03 10:12:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 17:12:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 58000 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 17:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 17:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 17:12:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2002 17:12:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:11:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Crossfire re: brain injuries Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 251 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm From the CNN site: << Crossfire: Roller coasters are getting faster and steeper, but could that adrenaline rush also come with the risk of brain injury? (7 p.m. ET) >> I assume it's 7:00 tonight, though that's not entirely clear at a glance. -B From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jul 03 12:03:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 19:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 12573 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.217) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:03:28 -0700 Received: from 151.205.81.83 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:03:27 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Anyone live near HersheyPark that's going to the RCT Event? Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:03:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 19:03:28.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[50AAA410:01C222C4] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.81.83] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Hey everyone, My parents have decided to schedule a vacation to Hershey Park July 27th-August 3rd. (yes, that's pretty much a WHOLE week in a Hershey Hotel) And they asked me if I wanted to join them. Of course I'm not going to pass up a chance to visit, as I haven't been there before. Problem is...the RCT event is the 27th at Kennywood. Bah... You've been to Kennywood... don't miss out on Hershey and all of it's SWEETNess.... what are your parents going to do the entire week? go to the park everyday? go see Blink 182 or whomever's playing at the pavillion? or what? Make them take you to PKD/SFA.... or drive seperatley! solves that! ;) jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Jul 03 12:47:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 19:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 83339 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 19:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 19:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 19:47:20 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/CZQwal+VAitGyNjjlV/gbU8otk+VCUhY"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G6TN63WR; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:45:53 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:46:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 Message-ID: <20020703.144925.-2017225.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,18-26,28-37,43-52,55-62,64-67 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > HERCULES: Summers & Dinn woodie: AWESOME > > Well, > > we get to the top of the lift, do a little turn and > > start down the drop. Well I should say "try" to start > > down the drop, of course the trim brakes are holding > > us back =]. So we drop, which was fun, and approach > > the turn where I expect all hell to break loose. Then > > POW, BANG, BOOM.....nothing. What roughness are you > > people complaining about? Sorry, I missed it. I sat in the very middle of the train (that's as far back as they'd let me go) and, while I don't think Hercules is even close to the roughest wooden coaster ever built, the turn over the pond wasn't smooth. The trains shook a lot (which is expected) but that basically caused my back to jackhammer against the seat, which wasn't pleasant. The rest of the ride is very smooth, but it's just so completely boring to me. The trims on the big drop slow everything down so much that we barely crawled through the rest of the course. Maybe it runs better when it's warm out. > > You know, Steel Force probably *is* the improved > > version of Magnum. But, IMO, Maggie's so-called > > 'flaws' are what I like most about the ride. Steel > > Force was cool, very re-rideable and a lot of fun. > > But there was no big "thrill" in it for me. But I did > > get off and wanted to ride again. And that's why I call it a "family hypercoaster." Fun ride, not many big thrills or forces. > i dissagre kinda in a way. > It just didnt do anything. In the back seat there was no > air at > all on the first drop, no pull ovre, no anything. Huh?? You're insane. :-) Next to the B&M hypers (with the dip), Morgan hypercoasters have my favorite pullovers because there's a point partway down the drop where it suddenly gets much steeper quickly (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery276.htm?Picture=2 notice how the drop remains at a steady decline for awhile, then suddenly drops to 60*). I liked that pullover better than the Intamin hypers/gigas. > i think i only got like 1-2 pops of air on the whole thing The second hill is way too tall and killed the ride for me. > i just cut off the rest...but for me thunderhawk was ok, the trims > were all > on hard though Thunderhawk wanted to perform badly but the trims really killed it - especially the trim before the last section of bunny hops. I swore when we hit that one. , but it was nice being kinda in the middle of the > park but > still ridding threw the forest...i found that unique in a way, but > no one > else ever mentions that...but i guess im just all-about-the-views. Uh....what forest is there at Dorney? All I remember is everything built in the middle of a treeless field - and a big hill. http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery239.htm?Picture=3 -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Jul 03 13:09:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:09:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 96873 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:09:33 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.32.295019d5 (657) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32.295019d5.2a54b3ed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:09:17 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2002 3:47:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > Next to the B&M hypers (with the dip), Morgan hypercoasters have my > favorite pullovers because there's a point partway down the drop where it > suddenly gets much steeper quickly > (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery276.htm?Picture=2 notice how the > drop remains at a steady decline for awhile, then suddenly drops to 60*). > I liked that pullover better than the Intamin hypers/gigas. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Jul 03 13:10:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 20:10:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 31411 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 20:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 20:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 20:10:42 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.b0.294ffd8c (657) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:10:23 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2002 3:47:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > Next to the B&M hypers (with the dip), Morgan hypercoasters have my > favorite pullovers because there's a point partway down the drop where it > suddenly gets much steeper quickly > (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery276.htm?Picture=2 notice how the > drop remains at a steady decline for awhile, then suddenly drops to 60*). > I liked that pullover better than the Intamin hypers/gigas. > > > > UGH! I absolutely can't STAND that pullover. I think it's boring and it > pissed me off. > > I said to myself (and Nate) "what are we doing? that was dumb" > > Oh well.. > --Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Wed Jul 03 14:00:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 21:00:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 87131 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 21:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 21:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 21:00:29 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA112990 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:01:20 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256BEB.0072F96B ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:55:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256BEB.0072F76A.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:58:12 -0400 Subject: Re: TR: Disneyland- June 17, 2002 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: "Adam Sandy" I left the ride with a large smile. And that seems to be what this ride is all about- fun. I cannot think of any steel coaster that evokes more of a fun feeling in riders of all ages than Space Mountain. I could tell that everyone wanted to run around and hop on again just like I did. Space Mountain lived up to, nay surpassed, the hype surrounding it with a combination of ingenuity, surprises, nostalgia and flat out fun. So, it is with a grin that I added it to the top tier of my steel coasters. >>> If you liked it that much without the soundtrack, I bet you'd love it even more with the music. I know I did. From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Wed Jul 03 14:31:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 21:31:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 67797 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 21:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 21:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 21:31:45 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA228800 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:32:36 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256BEB.0075E2C1 ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:27:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256BEB.0075E0E4.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:31:18 -0400 Subject: Mini TR: CoasterMadness @ Dorney, June 28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I've been to Dorney several times and reviewed it before, so I'll just mention some items here, and respond to some of Jeremy's postings. We (my wife and I) arrived at the park just at noon, having forfeited the early-morning ERT. We got one quick, front-row ride in on Talon before heading over to the picnic. TALON: Talon is a great ride! I'm having a hard time choosing my favorite invert from Batman, Alpengeist, and Talon. Talon has extreme smoothness (as Jeremy said, let your body relax and there will be *no* banging). It feels more like flying than any other inverted I've ever been on -- there's several swoops of real floating air time. Yet it's not forceless. The helixes and rolls are intense. One of my rides was in the last row, left (outside) seat. The pull/flip over off of the lift hill is wicked! The physical layout is great, too. The track and queue wind in and around a small self-contained area. There are so many excellent views of the coaster, and the riders! Lots of near misses overhead. In particular, while walking the exit ramp, there's an overhead flyby which feels really close. Unfortunately, there's a safety net there, but if there weren't, it'd seem awfully scary to tall people. The ground, also, is covered with mulch, not gravel or concrete. Much prettier to look at, and not nearly so hot. And quiet. Not whisper quiet, just lacking the really loud B&M roar. I think this is good. You can still hear the coaster while waiting in line, but you can also continue to hold a conversation while it flies around you. On Medusa, for example, when the train flies by the queue after the dive loop, it's so loud it's actually painful. I like this quiet style better. DORNEY: The park itself is slightly improved since my last visit two years ago. Some new pathways have been paved, neatening up the appearance just a bit. A few more shady spots have been added, too. The landscaping in front of Laser's queue is pretty, but the queue itself still looks the same: like a portable carnival ride. I also noticed a fenced in field beyond the Steel Force station. I've been watching this patch of "land" for a few years now. Originally a swampy lake, then a drying riverbed, it seems like the park may be reclaiming this land. For expansion, perhaps? Park never really got crowded, so I got as many rides on anything that I wanted. In fact, the evening ERT was practically deserted! I guess it's because so many of the event attendees had been there since 8 am and were too tired to hang out until 11 pm. STEEL FORCE: Who stole my air? I loved this ride, every time before today. While some complain about it's "rampiness", I've always enjoyed the extended, but gentle, floating airtime on this coaster, especially on the return run's bunny hops. This day, I noticed two things: there's a great moment of silence, followed by a hard slam, right before the turnaround as the train floats over the top of the third hill then drops back down onto the track. This is most pronounced in the front of the train. Second, the block brake was trimming harder than I'd ever felt it before, and this just killed the second half of the ride. It bled off enough speed so that there was no air time on the return run. Ugh! Anybody who says this ride sucks would be justified. The first half is just OK, but without the second half float-o-rama to save it, this coaster becomes boring quickly, despite its size. FLUME: First time I've ever ridden this ride at Dorney. It was surprisingly great! Concrete troughs, fairly smooth, and very wet for a flume. What's the point of a water ride where you don't get wet? So I liked this one a lot. PEOPLE: I spent much of the day hanging out with Dainan, his brother and his mom. I also spotted the nearly-incognito Jeremy N, and we talked for just a moment. Then over the weekend, I watched Willow, so now I guess I know what George looks like, too! ;-) <<< From: Jeremy Norris TALON: B&M 4-inversion invert: AWESOME What can I say, this ride rules! ... It had the frantic pacing of B:TR, the great ending helix of Raptor and screw any of you who think this ride is "forceless"! ... So few invert have real "airtime" and that gives a nice good long float down. ... Also, even if you go as limp as a rag doll, you will never hit your head on the restraints. >>> I just had to re-post this so I could agree, 100% <<< HERCULES: Summers & Dinn woodie: AWESOME Yes, you read that right, I am giving Herc a good ol' +4 rating. >>> Well, I'm glad *someone* likes this tinderbox. I didn't even ride it this year, but in the past, it's just been a jackhammer full o' spinal injuries. Although I'll say again for the record, in the distant past (when this ride was new, and untrimmed) it was awesome, especially that first drop and lake curve. <<< I should note here that Joe was being a "credit whore" and trying to get as many coasters in as possible. We looked in on Lil Laser, but upon reading the rules, he decided that it would be "too far" to try and get that credit. However, there was another kiddie coaster over there that didnt have such restrictions: DRAGON COASTER: Zamperla 'Dragon Wagon': NOTABLE Not much to say here except that there was a lateral that was a *little* stronger than I expected and caught me off guard. Hence the NOTABLE rating. >>> In past CoasterMadness events, the park has offered to let adults ride Lil Laser. Imagine the six-row, three-car train crammed with 6 (one per row!) stereotypical (read: overweight) ACErs, just barely making it up that tiny lift hill. I think I can, I think I can... I swear I though the operator was gonna get behind the train and push. Well, I got the credit once, but the ride itself is certainly not much fun. And is Dragon Coaster really a "coaster"? I thought it was powered throughout. Jon Z, who's going to drive right past SFNE this holiday weekend but won't have time to stop 8-( From CarrierML@thecb.state.tx.us Wed Jul 03 15:06:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CarrierML@THECB.state.tx.us X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 3 Jul 2002 22:06:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 9974 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 22:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2002 22:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apollo.thecb.state.tx.us) (206.77.140.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 22:06:55 -0000 Received: by apollo.thecb.state.tx.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:09:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: "'RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: NEWS: Alledged brain damage from SFGam coaster Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:09:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) From: "Carrier, Michael" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62055809 X-Yahoo-Profile: blue_eyed_tx_guy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may have been discussed already (I'm on digest), but SFGam has been hit with another lawsuit. This time, a family is claiming their daughter suffered brain damage from a backwards ride on American Eagle. A sad story indeed, but another injury I can't see how the park could or should be held liable for. For one thing, over one million other people ride this coaster per year and are seemingly fine. Also, they say she rode all the coasters, yet somehow they're sure the Eagle caused it. Is the g-force really THAT much greater riding backwards? Finally, they're claiming negligence on SFGam's part. Doesn't that mean they believe the park KNOWS they're operating a ride which causes brain damage? Again, wouldn't a lot more other riders have suffered this condition? I fear we've entered a very dark period in amusement park history where thrilling coasters could cease to exist. Especially with the modern media and people like that idiot Markey salivating to get their hands on stories like this. If this suit were to be successful, the floodgates (more lawsuits) would open and parks would be forced to slow down their coasters so much they'd ALL end up family rides. I feel for this girl and hope she comes through OK, but like the California aneurism incidents, I believe this was just another very unfortunate twist of fate. Anyway, here's a link to the story. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/070202_ns_greatamerica.html Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Jul 03 18:27:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 01:27:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 29897 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 01:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 01:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 01:27:57 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:27:57 -0700 Received: from 24.49.140.198 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:27:57 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Anyone live near HersheyPark that's going to the RCT Event? Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:27:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 01:27:57.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[07386520:01C222FA] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.140.198] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Perhaps we could make a few >stops along the way (I was also thinking of doing SFA and maybe PKD if it's >possible. Please e-mail me off list. > >I REALLY want to go to Hershey to ride the (in)famous Lightning Racer, but >I >also REALLY should be at out event, being a moderator and all. You do realize that SFA/PKD are not anywhere on the way from Kennywood to Hershey, or vice-versa, right? :-) -Chris K.- _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From thunder7usa@hotmail.com Wed Jul 03 18:39:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7usa@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 01:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 60514 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 01:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 01:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.123) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 01:39:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:39:50 -0700 To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Alledged brain damage from SFGam coaster Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:38:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7USA \( Joe \)" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 01:39:50.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFD7DB10:01C222FB] From: "THUNDER7USA \( Joe \)" X-Originating-IP: [67.212.56.77] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117658182 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7usa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before I comment, I've got one question: Are theme parks over in Europe, Australia, and Japan under as much scrutiny as they are over here? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Carrier, Michael To: 'RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Alledged brain damage from SFGam coaster This may have been discussed already (I'm on digest), but SFGam has been hit with another lawsuit. This time, a family is claiming their daughter suffered brain damage from a backwards ride on American Eagle. A sad story indeed, but another injury I can't see how the park could or should be held liable for. For one thing, over one million other people ride this coaster per year and are seemingly fine. Also, they say she rode all the coasters, yet somehow they're sure the Eagle caused it. Is the g-force really THAT much greater riding backwards? Finally, they're claiming negligence on SFGam's part. Doesn't that mean they believe the park KNOWS they're operating a ride which causes brain damage? Again, wouldn't a lot more other riders have suffered this condition? I fear we've entered a very dark period in amusement park history where thrilling coasters could cease to exist. Especially with the modern media and people like that idiot Markey salivating to get their hands on stories like this. If this suit were to be successful, the floodgates (more lawsuits) would open and parks would be forced to slow down their coasters so much they'd ALL end up family rides. I feel for this girl and hope she comes through OK, but like the California aneurism incidents, I believe this was just another very unfortunate twist of fate. Anyway, here's a link to the story. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/070202_ns_greatamerica.html Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Jul 03 18:42:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 01:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 40677 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 01:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 01:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 01:42:22 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.11f.130f3d5a (24899) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11f.130f3d5a.2a5501f9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:42:17 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Anyone live near HersheyPark that's going to th... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2002 9:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, supermanros@hotmail.com writes: > You do realize that SFA/PKD are not anywhere on the way from Kennywood to > Hershey, or vice-versa, right? :-) > > -Chris K.- > yes, but they're over that way...that's all that counts :) --Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 22:59:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 05:59:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 93795 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 05:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 05:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp018.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 05:59:58 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 05:59:58 -0000 To: Subject: RE: NEWS: Alledged brain damage from SFGam coaster Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Before I comment, I've got one question: >Are theme parks over in Europe, Australia, and Japan under as much scrutiny as they are over >here? The only country I can speak about is Germany. As for scrutiny, I guess that depends on how you define the word. Are they the subject of intense media pointlessness and a Markey? No. However, rides are regulated there by TÜV (Technischer Überwachungsverein). Loosely translated this is the Technical Oversight Association. If you look at the advertisements of many ride manufacturers they advertise that their rides are TUV approved. If a ride is TUV approved it is pretty much accepted that a ride can run anywhere within safe physical (human) and transport limitations. Although TUV regulates g-forces, they do not do it in the paranoid manner as evidenced here. There, the rules were scientifically created by people who knew what they were doing and they do know rider's limits. However, rides like the Olympia Looping Bahn are allowed to operate (it probably pulls between 5.5 and 6 g's) without problems and it is not uncommon to find Mondial Infernos, Mondial Top Scans, KMG Afterburners, Huss Frisbees, Schwarzkopf Katapult, etc. that run fast and long. I have even talked to people who got rides around 11-12 minutes on an Inferno during the day when the crowds were light at a large fair (I believe Dusseldorf). There are, however, some things that are not allowed there. For instance, you will not find lap bars one "one click" like at Stark Raven Mad. While the ops will not staple you ala Knotts, they will make sure the lap bar is not more than an inch or two from your waist. There are no exceptions for waist size and no seat belt extenders. If you fit you ride, if not you are asked to leave. I have heard rumors that Oscar Bruch had to sell his Thriller (Texas Tornado) because of the g's it pulls, but that has never been substantiated. Hopefully this rambling post kind of gave a view of Germany's regulations. I only hope that if regulations do go into effect here, they talk to TUV. They know a hell of a lot more than bureaucrats about rides. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Wed Jul 03 23:14:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 06:14:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 24421 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 06:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 06:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 06:14:39 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1b9.2ad35ba (16931) for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b9.2ad35ba.2a5541c8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:14:32 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/02 3:47:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > > > HERCULES: Summers & Dinn woodie: AWESOME > > > > Well, > > > we get to the top of the lift, do a little turn and > > > start down the drop. Well I should say "try" to start > > > down the drop, of course the trim brakes are holding > > > us back =]. So we drop, which was fun, and approach > > > the turn where I expect all hell to break loose. Then > > > POW, BANG, BOOM.....nothing. What roughness are you > > > people complaining about? Sorry, I missed it. > > I sat in the very middle of the train (that's as far back as they'd let > me go) and, while I don't think Hercules is even close to the roughest > wooden coaster ever built, the turn over the pond wasn't smooth. The > trains shook a lot (which is expected) but that basically caused my back > to jackhammer against the seat, which wasn't pleasant. The rest of the > ride is very smooth, but it's just so completely boring to me. The trims > on the big drop slow everything down so much that we barely crawled > through the rest of the course. Maybe it runs better when it's warm out. i really think thats it, it has to be something with the heat. the only thing i didnt like about herculese was that there was a medium sized bees nest hanging from the wooden railing on the stairs, i told the queue gate hight person and she gave me a real dirty looks and said "well what you want me to do about it!"(insert some kind of latin accent) so i said "why dont you call maitenance or something" and she turned the other way and went "PSSSSHHHHTT"...that really bugged me. > > > And that's why I call it a "family hypercoaster." Fun ride, not many big > thrills or forces. > but isnt that the exact opposite of what a hyper should be??? most people that ride hypers are loking for a big thrill, its just huge drop aftr huge drop. all the people that would be riding the family coasters arent going to go anywhere near a hyper, thrill or no thrill. i just think that for what its trying to be it does a horrible job, > > i dissagre kinda in a way. > > > It just didnt do anything. In the back seat there was no > > air at > > all on the first drop, no pull ovre, no anything. > > Huh?? You're insane. :-) > > Next to the B&M hypers (with the dip), Morgan hypercoasters have my > favorite pullovers because there's a point partway down the drop where it > suddenly gets much steeper quickly > (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery276.htm?Picture=2 notice how the > drop remains at a steady decline for awhile, then suddenly drops to 60*). > I liked that pullover better than the Intamin hypers/gigas. maybe it was just because it was right after the park opened with only about a 1/2 ful train, whatever the reason, i got NO air at all on the first drop > > > i think i only got like 1-2 pops of air on the whole thing > > The second hill is way too tall and killed the ride for me. yeah, but even the bunny hops did nothing for me. i just kinda stteled into that bulky chair and relaxed...which is not what i wanted to do on that ride. > > > > > Uh....what forest is there at Dorney? All I remember is everything built > in the middle of a treeless field - and a big hill. > http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery239.htm?Picture=3 > > uhhh....theres a few trees there if you looks closely...yeah, thats what i > was talking about...you know....one of those...um....mini forests...yeah > thats it ;) mike -hates admiting hes wrong, even though he has to alot... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 03 23:20:04 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 06:20:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11891 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 06:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 06:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp012.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 06:20:02 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 06:20:02 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: MISC: Site Update Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For anyone interested, I added a new section to my website (http://history.amusement-parks.com) called The Disneyland of Yesteryear. It features around 20 old postcards from Disneyland circa 1967. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 04 11:15:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 4 Jul 2002 18:15:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 30828 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2002 18:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2002 18:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp011.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.31) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 18:15:29 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2002 18:15:28 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: TR: Disneyland Update Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:12:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For anyone interested, here is the corrected Disneyland bit on Roger Rabbit: Roger Rabbit’s Cartoon Spin called us next so it was back to Toontown. We Fast Passed in and I tried to observe everything as we waited. The queue was awesome and wonderfully set the stage for the adventure ahead. I especially appreciated all the little touches like the title of the paper Baby Herman read, the silhouettes of characters (especially the shapely Jessica Rabbit) passing behind a door and the well-themed cab station all set the stage well. Some of the enjoyable scenes were: -The Power Plant: This is a neat scene with a lot of neon and flash white lights. I especially appreciated the “shtick” scene where Roger was electrocuted and we could see his bones. -Falling: Although I did not think this scene would work well (not that I expected it to be Spiderman) this was a very well-done scene. It definitely took some imagination to create this scene and try it in a traditional dark ride vehicle. -Roger lends you an ACME hole: This is arguably the most creative way I have seen a dark ride end. Here roger grabs an ACME hole and it widens as the car enters it. A wonderful ending to a great ride! I spun the cars some during the first ride, but I was a bit surprised that the spinning did not “make” the ride as I thought. In fact, when Bill and I got another ride with Benny the Cab we kept the vehicle straight so I could enjoy all the detail. After our second ride we decided it was time to visit the dark ride wonderland of Fantasyland. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From CoasterDainan@aol.com Thu Jul 04 19:35:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 02:35:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 94195 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 02:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 02:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 02:35:57 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.f3.1d78a6c4 (14376) for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:35:41 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: CoasterMadness @ Dorney, June 28 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan In a message dated 7/3/02 5:33:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com writes: << STEEL FORCE: Who stole my air? I loved this ride, every time before today. While some complain about it's "rampiness", I've always enjoyed the extended, but gentle, floating airtime on this coaster, especially on the return run's bunny hops. This day, I noticed two things: there's a great moment of silence, followed by a hard slam, right before the turnaround as the train floats over the top of the third hill then drops back down onto the track. This is most pronounced in the front of the train. Second, the block brake was trimming harder than I'd ever felt it before, and this just killed the second half of the ride. It bled off enough speed so that there was no air time on the return run. Ugh! Anybody who says this ride sucks would be justified. The first half is just OK, but without the second half float-o-rama to save it, this coaster becomes boring quickly, despite its size. I got major air on the bunny hills (giant bunny hills). Maybe your lapbar was on too tight, or maybe seatbelt. FLUME: First time I've ever ridden this ride at Dorney. It was surprisingly great! Concrete troughs, fairly smooth, and very wet for a flume. What's the point of a water ride where you don't get wet? So I liked this one a lot. >>You forgot the rapids and waterfall that slightly turns off when you go through, and turns on the person in the back(that would be you Jon). I think I know who made it too, Intiamin. Dainan From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jul 05 09:24:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 16:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 41319 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 16:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 16:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.159) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 16:24:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:24:58 -0700 Received: from 207.68.83.162 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:24:58 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: SRM Trip Reports / ALL in one (LONG) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:24:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 16:24:58.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[818CF240:01C22440] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.83.162] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Since everyone else (besides the Punk Rock king of Wadsworth) has posted TR's about OUR experiences on the SRM journey, I'll just make short post about each park all in one. My trip started off as a short drive wednesday night up to the infamous WADSWORTH, Ohio (that i've travled sooo many times before). I arrived before Josh and George got back from their Trip with AFLAC to Cedar Point that day, so I drove around this great city and caught some sites along the way... the car lots, shop a minutes, stop n go's... ect.. Finally josh arrived back at his house and I soon followed. Greeted George, because it had been toooo long since we last saw each other, and had since made amends with one another, it was good to see him so happy about his day at the POINT... We got inside and quickly got to bed (haah right Brian? (who later joined us only to be awoken from his sleep by the infamous Robotic sounds of COASTER BOB)) We got up at 5:45, or should i say I got up at 5:45 to TRY and wake everyone up. Since JOSH was so eager to do the ACE walkback I figured I'd wake him up first... after listening to him MUMBLE a bunch of stuff (probablly quotes heard from Sean Flaraghty on the Discovery Channel) he stumbled out the words "we'll go later".... So I went back to bed and we all ended up waking up at 7'sh or something... we finally got on the road and stopped at a Burger King! Ate and Josh stole the SHOTGUN position from the tallest one in the car, no not George either ;) WE finally arrived at the Island which is not really an Island, and told John Zerkel not Zucker that we'd meet him at the Eifel Tower... We met up with him and did exactly what we did as stated in the other TR's reported by the others... or something My highlights were... -realizing HOW much the Beast has changed, This was my 3rd visit to the park this year, and only 2nd time with the BEAST being open... the front seat sucks now! no Air and the Trims are turned on as much as Josh is when he sees a female with a BLINK 182 shirt on... -riding Adventure Express where me and George got hit by the same branch! OUCH!! -riding SOB with Nate who hates it... -watching Zerkel not Zucker be a zSUCKER and listneing to JOSH when he told him that "riding over the wheels isn't THAT bad cause Sean Flarraghty and me rode it 4342342 times for the Travel Channel shoot"... poor John! -2nd day when me and Nate tried to help little kids cheat on their PHYSICS day worksheets On to SFKK.... me and nate only stopped by to ride Chang, other side of Twisted Twins and Thunder Run once.... if it weren't for Nate Loving CHANG, i don't think we would've stopped at all! Holiday World (+9.5) I'll rate this because the park does lack a good (expedition geforce) steel coaster! but other then that... i loved what i saw! I had been looking forward to this trip since I first met up with the crew (minus Zerkel not Zucker) at PPP this past fall... and looking forward to the Legend and Raven ever since I first started reading about the LEGEND years ago... so needless to say, this was the highlight of my trip! RAVEN (+8.99) CCI I loved this coaster! It totally was everything I was expecting, except I didn't know it had a great view of the PARKING LOT (hmm six flags?) on the lift hill... but other then that, it was great.. Even the NEAR DEATH ride with Nate on the 2nd night, after borrowing Brian's lanyard to keep the lapbar ALL the way up on ONE click... i thought for sure on the 5th hill that i was goign to die! atleast I was with friends doing what I do love! This coaster is great, but still sets at my #3 spot on top 10 woodie! I loved the air, loved the lats, but it's just over too quick! im not complaning just explaning! on to the... LEGEND (+9.5) CCI I LOVED this coaster, although I don't know how much I would have liked it with Gertz on iT! OUCH is all I have to say... OUCH! This coaster is great, if it only had a little more air, then it would be the PERFECT coaster, but it does stand as my NUMBER 1 woodie at the moment. Maybe it's due to hyping myself up, being obsessed with the LOGO and look of the coaster (themeing). It's great, i LOVED the laterals, loved them! since i'm not a stick and can withstand a little bit of punishment, I appreciated the turns and the HELIX on the Legend, (loves laterals which explains why TWISTER is still #2!) Can't wait to go back, and can't wait til' SRM 2003!!!! Six Flags St. Louis (+5.5) They get a decent rating because of namtaB and Mr. Freeze! I'm only going to rate some of the coasters, I'll skip Eagle! Mr. Freeze Premier (7.5) This coaster is pretty good, no where near a top 10 ride, but still a great launched ride with DECENT compacity compared to it's relatives in NJ/Maryland... River King Mine Train ARROW (6) This coaster is smooth, rather smooth for being an Arrow, but none the less, not painful. It really really really reminded me of the mine train at SFoG, and *almost* seemed like a MIRROR image! NINJA Vekoma masterpieceofshizill (3.5) GOOD HEADCHOPPER is all i have to say, other then that PAINFUL.. Ninja at SFoG was atleast FUN! ediR ehT namtaB B&M (8.5) Feeling VERY different from my other Batman Experiences, it was still a great G-FROCED filled ride that made me want to hit up SFGrAm even more so in the next few days. On to Indiana Beach This place looked NOTHING like the pictures I had seen of it.. NOTHING like it at all.. I dont know why but it was still a great lil' park. LoCoSuMo is going to be a great ride experience, hopefully I can get back there next year to experience it (and their new TA2K right Nate? or was it an Impulse? hahaha) Cornball Express (8.0) This ride was incredible, it packed a lot of air compared to it's tricky big brother which PRETENDS like it's going to until you get in it. The Laterals are great on this ride too, especially the turn into the station! that is a surprising shock, it just slams you into your ride partner (watch out for Coaster Bob and his famous "NO GOOD" or "BEST SEAT... BEST SEAT!!") Hurricane Hoosier (5.0) Fun ride, fun ride, good views of the water, and very calm... George's kids WOULD love that one! That's all I'm going to comment on at IB, that and the great Space Shot! that's a surprising ride, way better then any trip on the ol' Power Tower. Next we finally made it to Six Flags Great America! I had previously visited this park with my x-girlfriend in 2000 and was very rushed. She was sick and only rode the Train, Whizzer and Raging Bull (which she stated she felt better riding RB then walking... hmmm so it IS tame huh?) Anyways I was looking forward to re-riding B:TR as always, Viper, Demon, Whizzer and SHockwave... and finally getting a spin on the huge white thing that I missed out on last time... the EAGLE! Viper (8.5) I only got one ride last time and kinda remembered that it was a great ride, but after getting off of it this time, i KNEW it was a great ride! After getting only 1 click (both days!), I only wanted more, i loved this thing!! Raging Bull (7.0) Still a tall semi-fast over trimmed B&M "speed" coaster. I never really fell in love with this thing like most people. In 2000 I was comparing it to Apollo's Charriot from my 1999 visit to BGW, and this year after riding AC in 2001 and 2002 multiple times, and recieving 16 great rides on Nitro the week before, I wasn't sure how it was goign to compare to my previous visit. Well it still sucks, although i did recieve more air this time around, it was still a little boring, the turns are too high in the air to feel any great g's, not enough speed i guess, and the airtime hill (3rd) could be soooo great if it wasn't for the LOUD trim brake that slows you down, not to mention the other ones before the ending... is it necessary? do you wnat us to NOT enjoy our ride? anyways... only got one ride on it, wished I could have gotten more..defenitly NOT a top 10 ride for me... V2 (7.5) For an impulse this thing is awesome, I love impulses and hope they don't turn out to be the "BOOMERANG of the 2G's"... anyways, the view and setting of this coaster is by far 10 times better then the HIGHWAY/GOKARTS/XFLIGHT view you recieve from S:UE. Wicked Twister is still better in my book, but V2 in the front is a great ride as well! American Eagle backwards (5.0) One for the count, this coaster just SEEMS like it could be so great, but it didn't deliver. I missed out on this one in 2000 due to the LINE being forever long, i gave my GF hell over it the entire way back to her family's in Indiana (there's more then her family in Indiana! jk). So i was happy to get atleast the BACKWARDS experience, im sure ill get to ride it forwards the next time, and Spacely Sprokets.. grrr @$$hole i'm still mad! i've ridden many of kiddy coasters, rollerskaters,miler's..etc... Deja Vu (7.4) This ride pissed me off when I was in Georgia, cause guess what? IT BROKE! haha so i FINALLY got a chance to ride this thing, (twice actuallY), once in the back and then once in the front! this ride surprised me, i know it's JUST a boomerange, but Invertigo's are somewhat cool, and a taller one w/ VERTICAL (RON) Spikes makes it better. (i never cared too much for Face/Off, but Two Face was always nice and smooth to me... too bad it's on the WRONG SIDE of the park...anyways) The rides were great, I want to go back! Demon (6.5) Still a great ride, love the theming and love the short lines Shockwave (5.5) WAAAY better then GASM that I rode the week before but has a little head jerking into the station.... it's no VORTEX... and it DOES go through the corckscrews faster then 3 mph! Iron Wolf (4.5) Still it's not Vortex and PC, and no where NEAR the great Georgia Scorcher, it's a decent NON-TOGO Stand Up so it gets a few extra points from me. A lil' rough but then again it's old so you have to ARROW expect that.... Batman: The Ride (8.5) Still a great ride, this one beign my 3rd in a week, I was still pumped up and knew just how great it was goign to be. It was my 1st B:TR and I didn't remember much from my 2000 visit, jsut that my legs felt like they were going to RIP off! (it's no RAPTOR though huh Adam?) After riding in the BEST seat and Tripping and making an ASS out of myself (what was that number 14 for the trip? anyways) I recieved 2 great rides and wasn't ready to leave the park at all when we finally did leave! I didn't want to leave this park because it is one of the best out there, comes in 2nd under CP for me, CP is still my #1 just because I'm so used to going there that I know everything about it, where all the bathrooms are, and just love the atmosphere of being on the lake, on FLAT land and just enjoying it for what it is. although SFGrAM,SFGrAd,SFoG are VERY close behind it! and Carowins, my other FAVORITE home park! lol thanks for reading if anyone did! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jul 05 09:35:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 16:35:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 46903 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 16:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 16:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.186) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 16:35:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:35:28 -0700 Received: from 207.68.83.162 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:35:28 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:35:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 16:35:28.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8AA4DE0:01C22441] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.83.162] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Like BUSTA RHYMES..> GIVE ME SOME MORE! It's always GREAT to see someone talk about my number 1 Invert, TOP GUN: JET COASTER (or as I'd like to call it, TOP GUN: OVERLOOKED COASTER). I love that ride and think it's pacing is wonderful, as well as Talon's which is my number 2 invert! I got off and watned to ride again to see what i MISSED out on the first ride. This ride LOOKS like it'd be great, but as Nate stated, the 2nd hill is TOO big and kills it for the rest of the ride, the turnaround is kinda cool next to Hercules and the trip back is just magnumish boring to me, I like the bunny hills but not that many with barely any air.. you dont realize you're in the air until you get slammed back in. geeez can't wait to ride STEEL DRAGOn and all of it's 34 bunny hills in a row! ;) Thought this was THE best S&S ride that I've ever ridden (not counting Hypersonic), but until IB's Double Shot, I think they might be tied. Talon makes this park a place I'd like to go back, unless they get an IMPULSE like every other park, right nate?... inside joke... anyways I can't wait to go back, maybe for PPP, but I'd vote for SFGrAd more! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jul 05 09:37:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 16:37:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 10959 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 16:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 16:37:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 16:37:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 1654 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Jul 2002 15:44:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020705154407.1653.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Coaster talk slogon? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:44:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi There! Just wondering if this merry-ole' mailing list has a slogon .. and if not, then we should think of something! My first suggestion: "Ramp up to serious coaster talk!" Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Fri Jul 05 15:40:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 22:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 84721 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 22:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 22:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 22:40:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2002 22:40:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:40:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Misc. Bookmarks Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 234 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Since it was a slow day at work, I've been adding Bookmarks to the site. Look for the Folder marked "Amusement Manufacturers". It's not complete, but I'm working on it. (If anyone has any they would like to add...hint-hint). -Alan From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jul 05 16:25:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 5 Jul 2002 23:25:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 65853 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2002 23:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2002 23:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.224) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2002 23:25:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:25:32 -0700 Received: from 207.68.83.162 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 23:25:32 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster talk slogon? Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:25:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 23:25:32.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[41F75220:01C2247B] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.83.162] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Hi There! Just wondering if this merry-ole' mailing list has a slogon .. and if not, then we should think of something! My first suggestion: "Ramp up to serious coaster talk!" Cam. How about.... - I'd rather be Coaster Talkin' - Keep on RCT'in ....... jeRemy D. *couldn't resist* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jul 05 18:46:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 01:46:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 33372 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 01:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 01:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.231) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 01:46:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:46:00 -0700 Received: from 207.68.83.162 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:46:00 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Note to Aflac about WT Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:46:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 01:46:00.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[E12CA2B0:01C2248E] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.83.162] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 This is a comment that's confirming some questions that both ME and Brian (AFLAC) had wondered about concerning WICKEd TWISteR! It all started on a slow friday evening after work, i was looking through the web and stumbled across the oh so interesting VIRTUAL MIDWAY and was looking throughout the webpage when I found the answer to our question.... They have a video posted up of Wicked Twister in action, from opening day i suppose. http://www.virtualmidway.com/videos/wickedtwister1.mov Here's the link to it, if anyone else has noticed that it IN FACT does go up JUST as high the first time back as it does the 2nd/last time backwards. This helps us answer the question that was asked about the NEURTERING of WICKED TWISTER. (which is a ride that TOTALLY blew ANY and EVERY expectations that I ever had of it...) Just thought Brian and everyone else would like to see this. jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Fri Jul 05 19:46:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 02:46:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 98934 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 02:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 02:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 02:46:41 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.16]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c22498$bf1134c0$10b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <20020705154407.1653.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster talk slogon? Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:56:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: > Just wondering if this merry-ole' mailing list has a slogon .. and if not, > then we should think of something! > > My first suggestion: > "Ramp up to serious coaster talk!" How about "RCT.....Roller Coaster Talk, not Tycoon" Jon Z Zerkel........not Zucker (who HAS to believe that everyone saw that one coming!) :-) From coasterdude18@juno.com Fri Jul 05 19:58:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 02:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 93792 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 02:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 02:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 02:58:05 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/2MTu3T3KchDNqMkyJATOeiCfW/OYlnOq"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G6ZLNK3Z; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:57:22 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:01:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster talk slogon? Message-ID: <20020705.220111.-2087579.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-9 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Just wondering if this merry-ole' mailing list has a slogon .. and > if not, > > then we should think of something! In all seriousness, a slogan is a good idea. When Josh and I were working on a new version of the RCTalk site (it's still coming, I promise) we were toying with something that mentioned we're the oldest private roller coaster discussion group. That's true as far as I know. -Nate (who enjoys all the inside jokes we have on the list) coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Jul 05 20:50:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 03:50:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 67013 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 03:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 03:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d07.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 03:50:37 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.10e.13b17890 (4214) for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10e.13b17890.2a57c30b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:50:35 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SRM Trip Reports / ALL in one (LONG) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/2002 12:25:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, coasterclown@hotmail.com writes: > the Trims are turned on as much as Josh is when he > sees a female with a BLINK 182 shirt on... > That would all be good, If I liked Blink182..... then again, those "preppy" girls do look better than MOST of those girls in ICP/Twiztid shirts :-D --Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Fri Jul 05 21:00:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 6 Jul 2002 04:00:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 91785 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2002 04:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2002 04:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2002 04:00:27 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.b6.e0ae9b9 (2172) for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:00:23 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster talk slogon? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 i think it should be Roller Coaster Talk: Where Mike is left out of all the jokes because hes to much of a poor engineering student to ever go on any trips or maybe thats to long. hahahaha or maybe Roller Coaster Talk: The better RCT hahha mike -couldent think of any good ones that had ramp in it From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jul 07 00:20:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 07:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 81732 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 07:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 07:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out002.verizon.net) (206.46.170.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 07:20:01 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([63.187.65.145]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020707071959.PHSU21479.out002.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:19:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3D275E05.1040404@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:15:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster talk slogon? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Coaster Clown wrote: > Hi There! > > Just wondering if this merry-ole' mailing list has a slogon .. and if not, > then we should think of something! > > My first suggestion: > "Ramp up to serious coaster talk!" > > Cam. > > How about.... > - I'd rather be Coaster Talkin' > - Keep on RCT'in LOL. Cute, very cute Jeremy. :-) Actually I'm with Nate. I think a logo would be a great idea. I stink at coming up with these types of things (and being on the road right now doesn't help much.) But of the ones I've seen so far, I'd probably vote for a variation of Mike's: Roller Coaster Talk: The other RCT But it should be a lot of fun to see what else all the rest of you come up with. Let's hear them.. keep on ridin'/ rampin'/ readin'.... ah, forget it. ;-) George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jul 07 00:27:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 41058 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out010.verizon.net) (206.46.170.133) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 07:27:36 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([63.187.65.145]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020707072734.FCWZ13841.out010.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:27:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3D27ED65.6090604@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 00:27:33 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Misc. Bookmarks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash pooh2you2 wrote: > Since it was a slow day at work, I've been adding Bookmarks to the > site. Look for the Folder marked "Amusement Manufacturers". It's not > complete, but I'm working on it. (If anyone has any they would like > to add...hint-hint). > -Alan Wow! Awesome list. I don't have any to add, and it looks like you've got most of them covered that I'm aware of, and a few that I wasn't. Can't wait to find time to start exploring all the sites that I haven't checked out yet. Thanks for the time and effort that you put in there Alan! It's most appreciated. George > > ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Sun Jul 07 00:46:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 07:46:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 97931 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 07:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 07:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 07:46:53 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.90.28656176 (17079) for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <90.28656176.2a594be9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:46:49 EDT Subject: s:ros ran both trains today To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 thats right, i went to SFNE and SROS was running both trains all day. And despite the horrendous amount of people in the ppark the wait was only 15-45 minutes aproximatly. I took 3 rides in a row. front seat, back seat, and second to back. I was with my sis and her boyfreind (sfgram local, thinks viper and whizzer ae the 2 best rides there, raging bull is boring, complete GP all the way (didnt even know that indiana beach had coasters even though they play commercials in chicago)) it was a fun day. The red train (logo still missing) was FLYING, blue train was a little slower, i think older wheels... only stayed in the park for like 5 hrs (3 sros, 1 bdk, 1 thunderbolt, 1 twister, 1 buzzsaw then out. the place was packed, but sros was empty...if i was there alone i would have just went on it all day cause the line was getting progressively shorter as the day wore on. the whole behind the red line thing seems really pointless though..what is the reason for that? mike -loves 2 train operation with speedy crews (or even slow crews...2 train ops the best) From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Jul 07 08:31:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 15:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 44324 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 15:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 15:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 15:31:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 4856 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Jul 2002 14:37:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020707143756.4855.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] s:ros ran both trains today To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:37:56 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <90.28656176.2a594be9@aol.com> from "IheartGODandGOV@aol.com" at Jul 07, 2002 03:46:49 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I was with my sis and her boyfreind (sfgram local, thinks viper and > whizzer ae the 2 best rides there, raging bull is boring, complete > GP all the way Oh, I think you're being too harsh .. I mean, Viper and Whizzer ARE better than Bull!! Anyway, it's great to hear that SROS finally has both trains back. I have got to get over there again and ride it.. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Sun Jul 07 12:33:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92318 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:33:11 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.130.10d2faeb (4198) for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <130.10d2faeb.2a59f175@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:33:09 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] s:ros ran both trains today To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/7/02 11:32:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: > > I was with my sis and her boyfreind (sfgram local, thinks viper and > > whizzer ae the 2 best rides there, raging bull is boring, complete > > GP all the way > > Oh, I think you're being too harsh .. I mean, Viper and Whizzer ARE better > than Bull!! > no, thats not meant as an insult to him, but rather as a GP perspective to the SFGrAm rides..im sorry for being missleading. those coments werent connected. mike -typed the original email at around 4 in the morning after partying all night. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sun Jul 07 12:43:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 19:43:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 46699 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 19:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 19:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.189) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 19:43:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:43:50 -0700 Received: from 207.68.84.160 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:43:50 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] s:ros ran both trains today Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 15:43:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 19:43:50.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E630990:01C225EE] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.84.160] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 The PARTY animal writes back to Cam.... > > I was with my sis and her boyfreind (sfgram local, thinks viper and > > whizzer ae the 2 best rides there, raging bull is boring, complete > > GP all the way > > Oh, I think you're being too harsh .. I mean, Viper and Whizzer ARE better > than Bull!! > no, thats not meant as an insult to him, but rather as a GP perspective to the SFGrAm rides..im sorry for being missleading. those coments werent connected. mike -typed the original email at around 4 in the morning after partying all night. I feel the way Cam does, Whizzer and ESPECIALLY Viper are better then Raging Bull, but so do some of the GP as well. Not all GP buys into the NEWER/BIGGER is better.. (Magnum Fans stilL!) just cause the GP in Ohio is dumb doesn't mean that the GP in Chicago is either! ;) plus just look how Magnum beat Millinnium Force out for "BEST COASTER", Either way, he APPRECIATED 2 of their best coasters (not that there's that many that SUCK, maybe one but other then that they have a GREAT collection)... VIPER should get more attention, that's what MOST enthusiast say, but when a member of the , dare i say it... GENERAL PUBLIC talk GOOD about a coaster that we think is great.. suddenly they're dumb? i dont get it! jeRemy D. -who can't wait for his next almost week long Coaster Trip- jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Sun Jul 07 17:31:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 00:31:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 62300 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 00:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 00:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 00:31:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 00:31:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:31:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Misc: RCT Fans (The other RCT) Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4962 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 68.3.199.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Here is an interview with Chris Sawyer, by HomeLAN. http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=7433">here. -Alan RollerCoaster Tycoon II Interview - 27 June 2002 00:01 - John [JCal] Callaham User Comments : 0 Let's face facts: RollerCoster Tycoon and its two expansion packs have turned from being merely a very successful PC sim game into a huge phenomenon. With millions of copies already sold and the original still showing up in the top 10 lists of best selling PC games, the amusment park and rollercoster building sim has spawned tons of imitations. This fall, however, the original returns when RollerCoaster Tycoon II hits shelves courtesy of the game's creator and designer Chris Sawyer and publisher Infogrames. HomeLAN got a chance to chat with Sawyer about the new game and how the success of the original has changed his life. HomeLAN- While you must have known that the original RollerCoaster Tycoon was a fun game, did you have any inkling that the title would become as popular as it has become? Chris Sawyer - The game's popularity has grown far beyond what I expected - It's like the game has taken on a life of its own and grown out of all proportion. HomeLAN- How has developing a multi-million best selling title changed your life? Chris Sawyer - I have a nice house and a nice car, but a job with increasing pressure and responsibilities, and there are never enough hours in the day to get everything done. HomeLAN- Since the release of the original RollerCoaster Tycoon, there seems to be a huge amount of strategy-sim games with the word "Tycoon" in the title. How do you feel about this trend? Chris Sawyer - There are a few other great 'Tycoon' games, but there are also many others which really aren't up to much. I hope that games players don't get misled by the names and buy something which disappoints them. You can't blame publishers for trying though - The 'Tycoon' name has been strong for many years, long before RollerCoaster Tycoon there was Sid Meier's great game Railroad Tycoon, and then my own game Transport Tycoon. HomeLAN- When you decided to create a full fledged sequel to RollerCoaster Tycoon, what were your goals? Chris Sawyer - I had two main goals - First, to add more depth and detail to the game (e.g. bigger map size, more detailed roller coasters, scenario editor, vertical scenery construction), and second, to make it easier to build complex rides and parks (e.g. automatic tree removal, 'ghost' object construction markers, instant track designs complete with scenery). HomeLAN- The look of the sequel is said to be more or less the same as the first RollerCoaster Tycoon. Why did you decide to stay with the original look rather than do a huge graphical upgrade? Chris Sawyer - I could have put several years work into doing a 'huge graphical upgrade', but would it have made the game any more fun to play? RollerCoaster Tycoon is all about interaction, construction, and gameplay, and I felt that it was more important to upgrade these areas than to spend too much time on more superficial aspects of the game. I also think that the present graphical style suits the game perfectly, both in terms of how it looks, and in terms of the display performance when viewing complex roller coasters and scenery constructed from up to 100,000 individual 3D objects plus over 5000 people. HomeLAN- What sort of new gameplay features can players expect to check out in the sequel? Chris Sawyer - A separate roller coaster design mode, a scenario editor, vertical scenery construction, themed track designs with scenery, larger map size and height, loads of improvements to roller coasters, new types of scenery, and many new rides and shops/stalls. HomeLAN- How are you refining the AI of the sequel as compared to the original? Chris Sawyer - I put quite a bit of work into improving the behaviour of the people in the game, helping them to find their way around (which they found very difficult on large paved areas in the original game), and also adding just a bit more depth into their actions. HomeLAN- Currently what is the status of the game's development and do you think the game will be released by the end of this year? Chris Sawyer - The game is now 98% complete and will enter the testing/tweaking and localization stage soon. It is on schedule for publication in October this year. HomeLAN- Do you see yourself venturing out and doing games outside the RollerCoaster Tycoon series in the future? Chris Sawyer - Yes, but I doubt I will do anything radically different in the near future - Don't expect a 3D shooting game or motor racing game from me! HomeLAN- Finally, is there anything else you wish to say about RollerCoaster Tycoon II? Chris Sawyer - I'm looking forward to when it's finished - I might actually have time to ride a few real roller coasters instead of building virtual ones! From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Jul 07 19:18:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 02:18:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 46837 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 02:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 02:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 02:18:47 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.191.96a38fb (4554) for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <191.96a38fb.2a5a5082@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:18:42 EDT Subject: pictures To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan does anyone know how to get pictures on to the website? I'd like to put the Dorney Park Coaster Madness pictures there. Thanks. -Dainan From rdcski30@sover.net Sun Jul 07 19:37:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6156 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 02:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 02:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 02:37:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rdcski30@sover.net Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 02:37:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 08 Jul 2002 02:37:26 -0000 X-Sender: rdcski30@sover.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Jul 2002 14:15:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 38723 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 14:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2002 14:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 14:14:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2002 14:14:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:14:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Great Escape Web Page. Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 720 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "narcosisbob" X-Originating-IP: 216.114.181.35 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=86321734 X-Yahoo-Profile: narcosisbob I finished my Great Escape web page. Video and more photos will be added soon. http://angelfire.com/ne2/greatescape/ . We visited the park last on 6/24. It was great. Hardly any lines. Walked onto The Comet. Rode 7 times. Nightmare was an hour. Ride opp said the park is looking into 2 to 3 car trains. Steamin Demon was down for new paint job and steel work. Bobsled was down into early afternoon. The last 2 visits to the park the Bobsled has had some kind of problem. We had a great time. Going to SFNE often it was nice not to have wall to wall people and 2 hour long lines for everything. Hopefully when and if Great Escape does become a Six Flags it won't have the Six Flags crowds. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jul 07 19:50:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 02:50:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 45846 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 02:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 02:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out009.verizon.net) (206.46.170.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 02:50:17 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([63.187.41.77]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020708025016.UBCM18948.out009.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:50:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3D28FD74.9080503@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:48:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] s:ros ran both trains today References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Coaster Clown wrote: > The PARTY animal writes back to Cam.... > > > > I was with my sis and her boyfreind (sfgram local, thinks viper and > > > whizzer ae the 2 best rides there, raging bull is boring, complete > > > GP all the way > > > > Oh, I think you're being too harsh .. I mean, Viper and Whizzer ARE > better > > than Bull!! > > > > > no, thats not meant as an insult to him, but rather as a GP perspective to > the SFGrAm rides..im sorry for being missleading. those coments werent > connected. > > I feel the way Cam does, Whizzer and ESPECIALLY Viper are better then > Raging > Bull, but so do some of the GP as well. Not all GP buys into the > NEWER/BIGGER is better.. (Magnum Fans stilL!) just cause the GP in > Ohio is I gotta agree. Whizzer is fun, if not spectacular, Viper is one incredibly awesome coaster, and Raging Bull could easily qualify as boring the way that they are trimming it right now. I hope that they stop and let it run like Jeremy N recalls it doing, but it sure didn't do that for us on our trip. But if I could trade Psyclone at SFMM for Viper at SFGrAM, I would be one majorly happy boy! :-) keep on ridin' George (who'll be on Amtrak for 12 hours tomorrow with the kids, so might actually get a TR or two typed up.) > > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 06:01:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 13:01:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 15056 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 13:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 13:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp015.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 13:01:22 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 13:01:21 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: MISC: Dusseldorf pics Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy The European list a few of us are on posted these, I thought I would pass them along to RCT. http://www.ride-n-rumors.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=2963&f orum=20&start=0 http://www.8ung.at/j-commander/kirmes1.htm The photos are of the fair being set up in Dusseldorf. Some of the photos include: Wild Wasser (Wild Water): A gigantic flume, possibly the world's largest portable version (I believe a Mack). Large Ferris wheel, possibly from Mondial. An indoor Maurer Soehne coaster whose name I forget Huss Jump Eurostar (Intamin, Giovanola, Stengel) Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 07:50:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 14:50:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 52598 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 14:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 14:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 14:50:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 14:50:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:50:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Dusseldorf pics Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "Adam Sandy" wrote: > The European list a few of us are on posted these, I thought I would pass > them along to RCT. > Boy, I wish we had a fair like that! -Alan From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 08:02:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 15:02:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 98352 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 15:02:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 15:02:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:02:25 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Misc. Bookmarks Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D27ED65.6090604@verizon.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 932 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., George Burnash wrote: > > Wow! Awesome list. I don't have any to add, and it looks like you've > got most of them covered that I'm aware of, and a few that I wasn't. > Can't wait to find time to start exploring all the sites that I haven't > checked out yet. > > Thanks for the time and effort that you put in there Alan! It's most > appreciated. > > George George, Actually, it's a rather selfish thing I'm doing. You see, I've been a Moderator of another Roller Coaster Group, of about 600 people (I remember when it was 6 people). But it is no where as busy as this Group (Maybe 30 posts a month?). So, I'm thinking about jumping ship (shame on me!). However, I've put so much into the other site, that I'm (slowly) transferring things over to here (mostly Links & Calendar stuff). However, if others can benefit from my work, than it's not all selfish? -Alan From rctalk@rponline.tmfweb.nl Mon Jul 08 10:32:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rctalk@rponline.tmfweb.nl X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 17:32:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 93293 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 17:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 17:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp07.wxs.nl) (195.121.6.39) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 17:32:13 -0000 Received: from rponline.tmfweb.nl ([62.131.45.23]) by smtp07.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYXY1O01.EF0 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:32:12 +0200 Message-ID: <3D29CCD1.5090202@rponline.tmfweb.nl> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:33:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020315 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Dusseldorf pics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert-Paul van Hardeveld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117956017 Hi all, The first post for me, on this list. Hope to ad something, so now and then... Adam Sandy wrote: > > The photos are of the fair being set up in Dusseldorf. Some of the photos > include: > Wild Wasser (Wild Water): A gigantic flume, possibly the world's largest > portable version (I believe a Mack). > Large Ferris wheel, possibly from Mondial. Both the guesses about Mack and Mondial are correct in this. > An indoor Maurer Soehne coaster whose name I forget And this one has the name StarWorld and is actually a great, bit weird, but great ride! Greetings from Holland, Robert-Paul. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 11:16:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 18:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 69450 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 18:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 18:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 18:16:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 18:16:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:16:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Dusseldorf pics Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D29CCD1.5090202@rponline.tmfweb.nl> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 490 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > The first post for me, on this list. Hope to ad something, so >now and then... > Greetings from Holland, > Robert-Paul. Welcome (or should I say welkom) aboard, Robert-Paul. It is always nice to have new people, especially those from overseas. Since you seem to know about European carnivals I have to ask my olbigatory flat ride question: Have you been on a Mondial Inferno? and if so.... Are they as good as everyone says (i.e. better than a Top Scan)? Good to have you, Adam From shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 11:17:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3890 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 18:17:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:17:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRM Trip Reports / ALL in one (LONG) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10e.13b17890.2a57c30b@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 411 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "shiveringtimbers2000" X-Originating-IP: 207.24.168.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89457996 X-Yahoo-Profile: shiveringtimbers2000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., MxPx2@a... wrote: > That would all be good, If I liked Blink182..... > then again, those "preppy" girls do look better than MOST of those girls in > ICP/Twiztid shirts :-D > > --Josh > hahahah... My best friend's girlfriend claims to be a punk chick, and Blink 182 is her favorite band. I tried to show her the way with some Descendents, but she didn't get it. Oh well. From rctalk@rponline.tmfweb.nl Mon Jul 08 12:00:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rctalk@rponline.tmfweb.nl X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 19:00:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15496 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 19:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 19:00:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp05.wxs.nl) (195.121.6.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 19:00:49 -0000 Received: from rponline.tmfweb.nl ([62.131.45.23]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GYY25B00.OQG for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:00:47 +0200 Message-ID: <3D29E194.5040904@rponline.tmfweb.nl> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:01:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020315 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Dusseldorf pics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert-Paul van Hardeveld X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117956017 Adam and all, > > Welcome (or should I say welkom) aboard, Robert-Paul. It is > always nice to have new people, especially those from overseas. Thank you, thank you! *looking shy* :) > Since you seem to know about European carnivals I have to ask > my olbigatory flat ride question: > Have you been on a Mondial Inferno? Yes I've been on it and enjoyed it a lot. > and if so.... > > Are they as good as everyone says (i.e. better than a Top Scan)? Well, in my opinion it isn't better than a Top Scan, but I guess that is also a bit personal. A Top Scan is more inpredictable than an Inferno... Greetings, Robert-Paul. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 13:11:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 20:11:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 8868 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 20:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 20:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 20:11:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 20:11:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:11:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: NEWS: North America- Experts Predict Modest Revenue Growth Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 8865 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Here is the North American article from our recent World Parks=20 issue. Adam July 08, 2002=20 NORTH AMERICA=20 Experts Predict Modest Revenue Growth=20 Industry experts predict there will be modest growth in both=20 revenue and attendance at U.S. waterparks, theme parks and=20 amusement parks during the next three to five years. At the same=20 time, they see little if any growth in the actual number of new=20 facilities. PricewaterhouseCoopers is predicting a compound annual=20 growth rate through 2005 at U.S. parks and attractions of 2.2%, a=20 modest growth for existing facilities.=20 "The U.S. markets for amusement and theme parks are pretty=20 well saturated and are built out about as far as they will go," said=20 Dennis Speigel, president of Cincinnati-based International=20 Theme Park Services. "Most of the markets remaining without a=20 park have mediocre potential at best." Some of those markets, however, are actively looking for=20 developers to build parks in their regions, in hopes of creating=20 an economic and tourism driver. That can be a dangerous=20 action, said John Robinett, senior VP of Economics Research=20 Associates.=20 "In the coming years, more and more city fathers in secondary=20 and tertiary markets will be looking at building parks as a tool for=20 attracting tourism and for building a stronger local economy,"=20 Robinett told AB. "That won't always work because in reality,=20 parks work best by feeding off an already strong market."=20 While it would be difficult to build a major park, there are still=20 markets that could support a small park, said Don Stewart, of=20 Economic Consulting Services, Newport Beach, Calif. "With the=20 cost of rides and attractions escalating the way they have, it will=20 be harder to create a park that would be cost effective, but with=20 good planning and strong management, it could work," Stewart=20 said. He said larger cities, such as Detroit or Philadelphia, with no=20 urban park, could be potential markets for a small family park.=20 CANADIAN POTENTIAL Parks in Canada are quite similar to their U.S. counterparts,=20 especially in following basic, fundamental trends, said Bill=20 Owens, senior VP, Economics Research Associates. The big=20 difference now, he said, is the "tremendous value differentiation"=20 in the currency. "As more and more Americans start realizing that value, I think=20 more and more will drive north of the border for entertainment,"=20 Owens said.=20 ECS's Stewart pointed out that Canada has few major markets=20 that could support a major park and "all those markets have=20 been developed," including Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver. Owens doesn't see major parks being created for Canada. What=20 he does see are smaller attractions being built around the=20 ever-increasing number of gambling casinos in the country. The casino in Montreal was so successful that it is now building=20 a new facility in downtown Montreal which includes an=20 entertainment zone. A new casino opens in Niagara Falls in=20 2003, with an adjacent entertainment and retail area. Casinos act as strong catalysts for other development, which=20 most likely will include a variety of smaller attractions and=20 possibly small amusement parks, Owens added. "Canada's popular heritage tourism attractions are now starting=20 to add more and more entertainment value and various forms of=20 attractions to their facilities to generate more earned income,"=20 Owens said. "We'll be seeing more of that in the future." Owens points out that Canada, especially with its current value=20 differentiation, has a strong future in the attractions business,=20 whether it be traditional amusement parks or other=20 entertainment venues.=20 "I see more and more Americans taking advantage of a great=20 many cultural differences Canada offers," said Owens.=20 One situation that could present itself in the coming years would=20 change the landscape of park chains not only in the U.S., but=20 throughout the world, Speigel noted. It's only natural, he said, that some fallout from the myriad=20 acquisitions of the 1990s will take place. There is great potential=20 of some selling off of parks acquired by the larger companies,=20 Speigel told AB. "I look for some of the larger operators to spin=20 off some of their existing properties in an effort to meet corporate=20 objectives and to help pay down debt, and that wouldn't=20 necessarily be a bad thing," he said. If that happens, one of two things could happen, he said. First,=20 existing park operators could pick up a few strategic locations,=20 and secondly, new, fresh ownership will come into the industry.=20 Speigel says the second choice would greatly benefit the=20 industry as a whole because it would bring something back that=20 has been lacking for more than two decades, an entrepreneurial=20 spirit. WHERE THE GROWTH IS In theme parks and amusement parks, the growth will be=20 through expansion. New family-oriented rides that provide fun=20 action, but come up just short of being considered a thrill ride,=20 will be added in greater numbers to the ride lineup. "Re-investment will be the major issue in the next three to five=20 years," Stewart said. " The ride wars =97 seeing who can build the tallest, fastest, most=20 expensive ride =97 are over and will "probably never show up=20 again," said Speigel. One bright spot of themed development during the next few=20 years will be the La Cuidad de los Ninos (Kid's City) concept,=20 which was an overwhelming success in Mexico City. There are=20 no rides and the activities includes role playing with kid chefs=20 preparing food, kid scientists doing experiments and many other=20 activities. The first U.S. Kid's City will open in the New York City area in=20 2004. The $45 million facility is the first of 15 or more locations=20 within the U.S.=20 In outdoor family entertainment centers, it's the action sports that=20 will be getting most of the attention and that segment will grow=20 very quickly in the next five years, according to Carole Sjolander,=20 executive director of the International Assn. for the Leisure and=20 Entertainment Industry.=20 Specifically, Sjolander is speaking of paintball and=20 skateboarding parks. "Younger people especially want to be=20 involved, they want interaction, they want action. Standing in line=20 for a ride isn't fun for a lot of people anymore." The few paintball and skateboard facilities out there now are=20 doing well. "Wow, they sure are. Both take very little space and=20 can make a huge impact almost immediately. Those recognizing=20 the trend early are the ones that will make a lot of money," she=20 said. WATERPARKS OF FUTURE The future of the North American waterpark industry is the=20 expansion of municipal pools into waterpark-style aquatic=20 facilities, and the development of waterpark resorts, according to=20 Rick Root, president of the World Waterpark Assn. "As an industry, we're moving way from [building] the large,=20 freestanding traditional waterpark," Root told AB. "There will still=20 be some standalone parks built in smaller markets, but I think=20 the greatest growth, especially within the next five years, is going=20 to be in the resort and public sector markets." Indoor waterpark resorts are an area of major growth that is=20 getting a great deal of attention, Root said. It all started in the=20 Wisconsin Dells, where existing lodges and hotels started=20 adding indoor waterparks to help extend the season. The=20 concept worked, and now lodges with waterparks are being=20 designed and built from the ground up.=20 "The concept works well, especially in the northern regions of the=20 country," said ERA's Robinett. "Resort areas traditionally struggle=20 during the off season. They have to drop rates and still end up=20 with low occupancy." These resorts have found that waterpark facilities allow them to=20 keep their room rates up during the off season. That, combined=20 with the increase in off-season occupancy, pays for the=20 waterpark. There are now 15 such lodges, and Robinett thinks=20 it's just the beginning of a trend. The waterpark resort concept works best in areas where there is=20 a strong summer tourism tradition, such as Sandusky, Ohio,=20 where Great Bear Lodge, the newest of the waterpark resorts, is=20 located. In the 12 months it has been open, nearly 400,000=20 guests have visited the facility.=20 The Great Lakes Co., which owns Great Wolf Lodge in=20 Wisconsin Dells and the Great Bear Lodge, has broken ground=20 in Kansas City, Kan., and will do so later this year in Niagara=20 Falls, Ont., and in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania for=20 additional waterpark resorts. The indoor Splash Lagoon waterpark, being built in Erie, Pa., is=20 set to open in December 2002. Being built by Scott Enterprises,=20 which owns eight hotels and eight restaurants in the region, the=20 $16 million waterpark will be connected to two of Scott's hotels, a=20 Residence Inn by Marriott and a Holiday Inn Express.=20 Written by: Tim O'Brien=20 From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jul 08 14:53:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 21:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 71200 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 21:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 21:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 21:53:24 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.c3.2552af20 (2170) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:53:17 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Great Escape Web Page. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan Great site. Dainan From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Jul 08 15:10:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 22:10:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 81907 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 22:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 22:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 22:10:33 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.15c.10004423 (2170) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15c.10004423.2a5b67d3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:10:27 EDT Subject: Amusment Today To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan I haven't got my July addition of Amusment Today yet. Did any one here get there Amusment Today yet this month? Dainan From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Mon Jul 08 15:26:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Jul 2002 22:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 96745 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 22:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2002 22:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 22:26:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2002 22:26:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:26:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Misc: More Bookmarks Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 170 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Well, I've been at it again. I've added a couple of more Folders to the Bookmarks: Amusement Industry Associations and Amusement Tradeshows I hope you like them. -Alan From gocubs7@hotmail.com Mon Jul 08 17:16:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gocubs7@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 00:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 68797 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 00:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 00:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.14.188) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 00:16:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:16:44 -0700 Received: from 216.176.148.48 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:16:43 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Amusment Today Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:16:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 00:16:44.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[E809CEE0:01C226DD] From: "Tim Schroll" X-Originating-IP: [216.176.148.48] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64136325 X-Yahoo-Profile: schroll_tim > >I haven't got my July addition of Amusment Today yet. Did any one here get >there Amusment Today yet this month? Nope, me neither.....wonder what the problem is. tim s. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Mon Jul 08 17:23:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 00:23:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 1924 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 00:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 00:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 00:23:12 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.6c.1ecc9f72 (4556) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6c.1ecc9f72.2a5b86ed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:23:09 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports / ALL in one (LONG) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/8/02 2:18:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com writes: > My best friend's girlfriend claims to be a punk chick, and Blink 182 > is her favorite band. I tried to show her the way with some > Descendents, but she didn't get it. Oh well AHHHH!!!!! thats soooo not-punk i cant believe it....however i did play about 4-5 of their songs at a show i did...but we were just doing punk covers of classic and new radio tunes that the aber-kids at this party would know hahahahah. (i play bass) oh, and i am one of the few people that can actually say that I SAW THE DECENDANTS LIVE!!!!!!! (this year nontheless at surf and skate fest..where, ironically enough, i forgot my skate board and surfing was illegal. hahahha.) wow, this is so off topic, so i should tell everyone that im going to be in chicago for a week or two to visit my sister once she leaves and i will be going to Michigan Adventure and Indiana Beach (both about 2 hrs away) oh, and of course SFGrAm...all new parks for me, and i will be way over 100 by then (if im not already, have to update the count) mike -plays te bass and loves punk and coasters...that is all related to the original post (it was buy shiveringtimbes2000...ahahhaha [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KristyJSM@aol.com Tue Jul 09 05:31:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KristyJSM@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 12:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 31372 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 12:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 12:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 12:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 12:31:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:31:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: New England Parks Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1561 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kristyjsm" X-Originating-IP: 141.154.106.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61734350 X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Hi gang! Hope everyone enjoyed their 4th and this summer's park hopping... Just a couple of things. I'll have to miss the RCT gathering end of July :( I'll have to catch up with you next year maybe. I will be going to SFNE on July 27th- had some free tickets. My company has forgone the annual picnic and opted for a SF outing instead. Has anyone checked out the new Batman RC? can't wait until next year when I can ride it myself! Also took a day trip up to Canobie Lake a week or so ago. First time and I've got to say that it's a pretty good family park! I was really surprised and had a great time. Awesome admission price too. It was clean, not too crowded, and had quite a bit to do. (I also learned that the ferris wheel is the ride of choice for us very pregnant women- maybe because it's the only thing we can GET on???) Passed Whalom Park too last week- VERY SAD. It just looked miserable and I'll have to concede by saying that maybe it's time to just let go . They might have had a chance to get the money to save it but it would take a heck of alot to make it look anywhere NEAR what it should be. We pulled over for a while and scanned through the fence. My father (very long time amusement park enthusist) reminised about all the parks long gone that he knew of in the North East primarily in NY- hearing him talk kind of made me pretty sad but at the same time kind of impressed that most of these parks could have such a lasting pleasant memory in a persons life. Hope my kids will think the same way... ~Kristy~ From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 08:33:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 15:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 60004 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 15:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 15:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 15:33:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.189] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 15:33:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:33:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Amusment Today Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15c.10004423.2a5b67d3@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 304 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I haven't got my July addition of Amusment Today yet. Did any >one here get there Amusment Today yet this month? > Dainan We got ours at work today, so you will probably be getting it soon. Interesting how AT's largest advertiser also got one of their largest cover story to-date. Hmmm.... Adam From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 09 10:18:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 17:18:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 97563 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out006.verizon.net) (206.46.170.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020709171731.HHXZ2911.out006.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3D29D0CD.7000509@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:50:05 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: TR: SFWoA 7-3-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Ok, ok, I know this is really late- especially for me. But I figured I better finally sit down and type this up. A couple words of warning ahead of time though. As I type this I'm on an Amtrak train going down the coast (watching my kids play in the play room here), so not only am I dealing with the passage of time but I also don't have access to my maps or other park info. So if I get a name or something else a bit mixed up, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. :-) The Park: Six Flags Worlds of Adventure, Cleveland OH The People: me and Brian (AFLAC!) The Weather: fairly nice as I remember it. Crowds: pretty light. no complaints really here. Scoring: 1-10, with negatives being horrendous. In other words, my standard deal. Brian and I headed to SFWoA with only a few hours available to us before we had to head to the airport so I could catch my flight back to CA. The original plan had been for SFWoA to be the very first park that we hit on my trip, however I got bumped off my standby seat and ended up coming out a day later than the original plan. This lack of time, as well as the day, did have an impact on what we were able to do and see. We were limited to only the old Geugua (sic) Lake side of the park and the rides there. On a normal day I would have really liked to have gone over to check out the animals and the shows, but it just wasn't able to happen. I did notice that there was really only a couple of ways to the old SW side of the park- either by a ferry or by a long walk that was only on one side of the park. I've heard they've since moved the boardwalk over to complete the circuit, and that'll help, but another way accross the lake would be a huge help here. Opening impressions: While I wouldn't call SFWoA dirty per se, I couldn't say that it really looked clean either. The walkways looked dingy and in need of a good powerspray overnight to remove the tar spots. I also noticed several spots with chipped, peeling, or faded paint- which isn't good this early in the season. Little things like that really affect how people feel about a park and whether or not they want to come back. Definately room for improvement there. Brian and I parked, waved our passes at the gate, and the first thing that we headed for was V2. This was the third impulse of the trip for me, and of the three, I'd put it even with WT, and just barely a tick below the one at SFGrAm just because of the location. I also liked the elevation at Great America's version to. But the impulses are definately fun rides, and this one didn't fail to satisfy. Score- a nice 7.5 I believe that the next thing that we hit (literally) was the boomerang. A standard Vekoma headbanger, and it gets the pretty standard score of a 4 for a boomer. Great rides if you've never been on one, but not worth repeating. I do also remember somewhere around this time commenting on how slow the monorail that is here moves. It would seem like it would be nice if they sped it up and actually lengthened it so it went somewhere (like the other side of the park maybe?) But I remember wondering why anyone would want to bother with it the way it is. As I recall after this we were both a bit hungry, so we grabbed a couple of quick burgers to eat. Pretty standard park food- not horrible, but not great either. After eating and feeling much more satisfied (and also noting that they gave out cups of icewater free to anyone who asked- something that not all parks do), we headed over to the newest coaster at SFWoA, one that's been getting a good amount of press- Batman Knight Flight. B:KF is one of the newest B&M floorless coasters, and it had a much longer than necessary wait due to them running only one train. I believe it took us about 45 minutes to get on, which would seem to justify 2 trains if there was no other reason that they weren't running a second. After riding, I determined that the floorless gimick still doesn't do much for me, but that the layout here is a lot of fun. However, B:KF is a coaster that is going to have some major problems as it ages. Due to it being so quiet as it runs (since they filled in the supports) you can hear something vibrating on the train that isn't supposed to. Additionally it's got a couple of spots already that are showing signs of headbanging and problems that will grow in the future. Right now though they aren't bad and it makes for a very enjoyable coaster, and one that I wish time would have allowed us more rides on. But based on the one ride I'd give B:KF a very respectable 8. We walked around the area a bit, looking at some of the different rides and them working on several of them. Seemed like a lot of the rides and coasters were down for maintanance on this part of the park. But we did make our way over to Raging Wolf Bobs, so that's what we hopped on next. RWB looks like it's going to be a fun coaster with some good twists and turns and some good spots for potential airtime. Unfortunately the rolling stock they have on the coaster kill it. This was the first coaster I had been on that ran old trailored PTC's, and after riding I can see why these have fallen out of fashion and have been replaced in so many places. There was far more shuffling, banging, and complete lack of being able to track well, thus killing so much of what this coaster could be and adding in some definate moments of uncomfortableness. It's not by any means a painful coaster, but just by putting on a regular 2 bench set of trains I can imagine that it would smooth it out tremendously and make this feel like a totally different coaster. If anything I came off sad for what it could be but wasn't. Score: 3.5 From here we then hit up the SLC (Mindbender?). It had a longer line earlier, which was one reason we had skipped it, but now the line had gone down some, so Brian and I hopped in for some more painful action. All I can say is that when I rode Kong at SFMW a year ago as my first SLC, I must have had one incredibly blessed day on it, as none of the others were anywhere near as smooth. This one had the nice soft padding on the otsr's, and it needs it. With the padding, it's a tolerable ride, and one that I'm sure the GP will like. Once or twice is plenty for me. Notch it up as one for the count and one that no I can comment on from experience. Score: 5. At this point we were really starting to watch the time. X-Flight hadn't been running when we came in, but we could see it going now. Knowing we really only had time for Big Dipper (and maybe a flat) or X-Flight, we decided to take a chance and hopped in line for the Vekoma Flyer. Also influencind the decision was that I hadn't been on one of these yet (Stealth is still waiting to happen for me) The line was a bit long, but looked to be moving at a decent rate when a t-storm rolled in and shut down everything in the park. It also sent a whole lot of the people in line packing, so we decided to try to wait it out, knowing that it was going to be cutting our time to get me to my plane a bit close. As it turns out, I'm happy we waited, as we did get on, working as single riders to speed it up a bit. Brian took the back row left side (looking towards the back of the train) while I was a row in front of him on the right. I really enjoyed my ride on X-Flight, and didn't notice any banging at all. On the other hand, Brian said that he got beat up bad. I also really enjoyed the sweeping turns and the helix, while the loop was a little better than ok in my book- again a bit different from most people's view of the coaster. I would have really liked more time so that I could get to know it a bit better and experience the "pain" that others talk about so I could have an idea, but as it was my ride was really a lot of fun and I came off it quite excited and pleased. Especially in comparison to what I was expecting it to be after hearing about it here and other places. Score: 7.5 From there our time ran out and we had to hit the road. A few more things I'd like to mention though: Disappointments: The number of things I missed. Double Loop and Villain were both down (with a crane and guys working on V's lift hill), and we ran out of time to ride the Dipper. Also would have liked to have peeked at the animal side of the park. Good things: Park Potential. This place can be an awesome park, but it's going to take some investing and a willingness to run in the red for a couple of years. Very simply it needs more infrastructure- cleaning, painting, quality staffing, increased capacity on rides, accesibility to the other side, etc. I know that they are cutting hours and staffing right now, and I understand why, but I think that's the wrong approach at this point since in so many ways this is a "new" park. Spend the money now to get people really liking the place, and they'll make the money back up later. But if they lose the people now because they aren't willing to spend that, getting them back after a bad experience is going to be much much harder. Other notes from teh trip: Coaster count on this trip alone- 48 new coasters. Overall coaster Count: 146 (now 148 after another trip to SFMW, but that's another TR) I also want to thank all the guys on the trip for inviting me out, putting up with me, and for being such a great group of people to hang with. Who would have guessed that you could meet so many good friends through the internet. So to Josh, Brian, Nate, Jeremy D, and Jon Zerkel (not Zucker), thanks for the transportation, rooming (read: putting up with my loud snoring) and so much more. And shoutouts to Jeremy N., Adam, Cameron, Briguy, our newest Brian who I got stuck on Legend's lift with, and everyone else we met up with on the trip. It was a blast and half, and I hope somehow that we can do something like that again. So when are y'all comin' out to Southern Cal? ;-) keep on ridin' George -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 09 10:18:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 17:18:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 71027 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 17:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 17:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out007.verizon.net) (206.46.170.107) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 17:18:47 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020709171849.UGL21234.out007.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:18:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3D29D6C2.1010902@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:15:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: TR: Six Flags Marine World 7-5-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Yea!! Finally on my last Trip Report! Can I get a Hallelujah!?! heh, oh sorry, just got a little excited. Anyways, this one is going to be a little different than most of my others. I visited the park with my kids, sister, father (55 years old and not as young as he used to be), my foster sister and her daughter, and a couple of my old college friends and their daughter. Needless to say with all those kids we didn't do as much coastering as I might without them, and we caught a lot more shows and exhibits. But I'll try to give you a rundown on what we did see and experience. We had originally planned on going on July 3rd. However through RRC and other spots I got wind of a big radio promo that was going on that day that were were afraid was going to flood the park with people (anyone know how that turned out?) So we switched course a bit, went to Waterworld on the 2nd (where I got the first bad sunburn of my life) and hit SFMW on the 5th. We were still expecting fairly heavy crowds, being the holiday weekend and all, we were pleasantly surprised to find that the crowds really weren't bad at all, with the longest wait of the day for anything being Medusa, which was probably around 45-50 minutes, and many of the rides being walkons. This was the first time visiting SFMW since they put in the rides that I really tried to fully experience the park. My last visit was much more focused on teh coaster as a whole, but this time we took in some of everything. I've reviewed Cobra, Medusa, Roar (still awesome), and the boomerang (not as rough this time) in the past, and my experiences this time were very consistent with my last one, so if you want to see my thoughts there the TR is up on the group website. Don't hesitate to check it out there, cause I'm not going to go into them much here. Really, there was one ride, one coaster that I wanted to experience on this trip. One that I wanted to do above everything else and if it was all I did I would be happy. And as things worked out, with wait times of about 5-6 trains on average, I got to do it 5 times- V2. This is a readically different impulse compared to the others now and all I can say is that while the back spike is a bit shorter, and the hold/ hang on it is not as good as on the others, the inline twist over the entrance ROCKS! This very easily became my favorite of the impulses. It's launch isn't quite as intense as I remember the others, but the hang time in the twist (depending on where you sit) is a blast. You get about 1/2 way through it on the first and third trips up the forward spike, and all the way through on the second. Very smooth and taken at just the right speed to make it a lot of fun. When I redo my lists of top coasters (something to do when I get off this train tonight maybe), it may very well make it up there. A very easy 9 and it stands very well alongside Roar as my favorite rides in the park Also thanks to my son I got in my first rides on their kiddie coaster, where they gave everyone 3 trips around the course instead of the often seen 2. Very nice, and it pulled some near wicked lats in the turnaround into the station. However, being a kiddie coaster I'll decline to score it. We caught several of the shows (dolphins were ok, animal stunt show was very good, sea lions were a pretty typical entertaining sea lion show, and the ski show was also very good.) SFMW has also done a good job of improving some of my landscaping complaints from my last trip. Though they still haven't done anything about the parking lot under Medusa. How many years and you still see all the parking stripes there? Just sad. The Top Spin is still running it's tame program (though most in my family liked it that way, including my dad who kept calling it the big swing thing- arg!!) And the Jambo (falling star), thrilla gorilla (a little like a music express), monkey business (giant teacups that look like a gorilla) and some of the others were all favorite flats with everyone. However height restrictions kept us off a lot of the others. We closed out the day with their fireworks show, and I have to say that SFMW put on one of the best aeriel displays I've seen, going about 25 minutes with music and an awesome finale! Not as good as Disney, but they definately at least hold their own with every other show I've seen, and outdid several of them. Overall a very fun day at the park, and one that is a good one for people who like a variety of things to do. With the rides in now, it's impossible to do everything on one day. You may be able to see all the shows, or maybe ride all the coasters and big thrill rides, but you're not going to be able to do both. And leaving either one out means you're going to be missing so much of what makes this a great park. It's definately worth more than one visit if you can get it. keep on ridin' George -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Tue Jul 09 10:27:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 17:27:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 31683 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 17:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 17:27:33 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA33322 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:28:29 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256BF1.005F85A6 ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:23:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256BF1.005F83BE.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:27:12 -0400 Subject: Customer Service Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 In my trip report a few weeks ago, I blasted the Best Western Kings Quarters hotel which is on-site at Kings Dominion. Well, here's the follow-up: I wrote a letter of complaint to the company, and received a response this past weekend. Like my earlier complaint to Busch Gardens, this one elicited an entirely appropriate response from Best Western. In the letter I got, the General Manager of the hotel apologized for the unsatisfactory experience I had. He assured me that steps were being taken to prevent the same problems from occurring in the future (he even listed some, such as staff re-training and a renewed emphasis on customer service). And to top it off, he offered me a coupon for a future visit to his hotel. Again, this is the kind of attitude that all companies should take when responding to a complaint, and I again applaud Best Western for properly addressing my problems. So maybe I *can* recommend this hotel to anyone going to Kings Dominion. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 09 10:33:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 17:33:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 38481 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 17:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 17:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 17:33:53 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.59.1dfcb0f9 (4554) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59.1dfcb0f9.2a5c787e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:33:50 EDT Subject: Dorney Park Coaster Madness pictures 2002 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan Hi. These are the same pictures from Dorney Park's Coaster Madness that I posted last week, but these are much easier toview (you don't have to join to see them) Copy & paste this address (its 3 lines long!) into your browser: http://aolsvc.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Start?event=NetLogin&shareInfo=ZrWzl pC%2bT%2bxfWMidGVThPXpobr4mLH1pMpcsPSMwy1Z%2fiFD0fyawy7Id3tVWHbf6rRWfkWmn5Qql% 0awnkK7TBp58g8sjrrBiJ%2b%2f1x%2fsfdIVE8%3d hope you can all see them now. -Dainan From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 09 10:52:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 17:52:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 88435 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 17:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 17:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 17:52:48 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.11d.13b20c63 (4554) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11d.13b20c63.2a5c7cd6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:52:22 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Dorney Park Coaster Madness pictures (again) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan It went through wrong. here's the link again: http://aolsvc.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Start?event=NetLogin&shareInfo=ZrWzl pC%2bT%2bxfWMidGVThPXpobr4mLH1pMpcsPSMwy1Z%2fiFD0fyawy7Id3tVWHbf6rRWfkWmn5Qql% 0awnkK7TBp58g8sjrrBiJ%2b%2f1x%2fsfdIVE8%3d From KristyJSM@aol.com Tue Jul 09 11:46:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KristyJSM@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 18:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 44689 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 18:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 18:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 18:46:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 18:46:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:46:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Customer Service Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85256BF1.005F83BE.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1408 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kristyjsm" X-Originating-IP: 141.154.106.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61734350 X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Jon.Zucker@u... wrote: > > > In my trip report a few weeks ago, I blasted the Best Western > Kings > Quarters hotel which is on-site at Kings > So maybe I *can* recommend this hotel to anyone going to Kings > Dominion. I still won't recommend Hard Rock Hotel in Orlando! Yeah they at least responded and also sent a coupon but get this... I called about using the coupon and getting a reservation- (coupon was an upgraded 'suite' on the concerge level.) Our original reservations in last Feb was for a suite on the concerge level that sleeps 5 adults and what we got was a 2 bed/one room which at most could fit 4 adults. We had to get a rollaway (which we were initially charged) but that left no extra room to move around. So anyway the coupon and letter of apology was for a upgrade at a future stay. So I called and got prices with the coupon- no guarantee for the upgraded room either! Called back later and asked for prices without mentioning the coupon. GUESS WHAT pretty much the SAME prices only off about $10-20. Sooooo as far as I'm concerned Loews Hotel Chain could give two hoots about their customers!!! The coupon was obviously an empty gesture. The hotel was nothing spectacular anyway- I think there's more memorabilia in one Hard Rock restaurant than in the entire hotel building. Okay I'm just hop off my soap box here... From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 12:46:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 19:46:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 22885 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 19:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 19:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 19:46:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 19:46:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:46:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Misc: More Bookmarks II Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 800 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Here's more! I've added another folder (I have a thing for organizational orderliness): "Amusement Park Websites" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/links/Amusement_Park_W ebsi_001026224937/ This is for OFFICIAL park websites only. (I'm adding a non-official folder as you read this). NOTE: You may not find your favorite park listed for a couple of reasons: 1) I haven't gotten to it (or I don't know about a park) 2) Conglomerates, such as Disney, Six Flags, Cedar Fair L.P., etc. own MANY parks. I didn't list the individual parks, because you can get to them from what I have titled as their "Portals". Of course, I'm not completely done with any of the Folders that I've added, but please feel free to contribute. As long as they fit into neat little categories ;) -Alan From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jul 09 13:58:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82823 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 20:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 20:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 20:58:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 20:58:12 -0000 Date: 9 Jul 2002 20:58:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1026248291.56559.32604.w17@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RollerCoasterTalk group. File : /Stricker's Grove On-Rides/Strickers 056.mpg Uploaded by : coaster_punk Description : This is on-ride video of the Teddy Bear. Cute little coaster You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/Stricker%27s%20Grove%20On-Rides/Strickers%20056.mpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, coaster_punk From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Jul 09 14:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8756 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 21:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 21:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 21:01:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2002 21:01:17 -0000 Date: 9 Jul 2002 21:01:15 -0000 Message-ID: <1026248475.83660.62112.w1@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RollerCoasterTalk group. File : /Stricker's Grove On-Rides/Strickers 057.mpg Uploaded by : coaster_punk Description : This is On-Ride of the Tornado. Nice air in spots...watch for it! You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/Stricker%27s%20Grove%20On-Rides/Strickers%20057.mpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, coaster_punk From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 09 14:31:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 21:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 96573 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 21:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 21:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 21:31:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 9914 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Jul 2002 20:37:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20020709203728.9913.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Roller Coaster Tycoon pinball hits Chicago.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:37:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Man, I have been just dying to talk about this for close to a year now..! Stern Pinball (the last remaining pinball company in the world) is working on a new machine which is based on the computer game: Roller Coaster Tycoon. I first played a whitewood (a hand built machine used for development .. there is no artwork, the wood is bare, hence the term 'whitewood') two months ago, and the game rocks (even then .. and it was only about 50% complete!). The game was actually designed by Pat Lawlor and his company Pat Lawlor Design, for Stern. Pat has done some of the best selling pinball machines in history (Addams Family, Twilight Zone, Funhouse, etc), and RCT is probably his the best playfield he's done. I won't gush too much, because it's horribly geeky, but I will tell you that the only complete game is currently on test at a little bar in Streamwood IL called Season Tickets. (It's on Barrington Rd, south of I90). Here is a picture Greg (one of the programmers) sent me last week. This picture is of the almost completely assembled first playfield (which is now on test).. http://www.buzzneon.com/rct_playfield.jpg I'm going to play it a bunch on Saturday evening, and again on Sunday. I encourage anyone who can, to go an play as well. (The test time is not just for the design team to tweak the game, but also to see how well it earns .. Pinball needs to earn well ;-) ). Season Tickets allows under-age kids in there (with adults) any day up to 7pm. Remember, this is still a game in development .. Greg, Louis and Pat are working terribly hard (18 hour days, 7 days a week) on this, so it'll likely be changing on a daily basis. As for my opinions? Well, I will be selling my Star Wars Episode 1 pinball machine (a game I worked on!) to buy a RCT. So, I like it! You heard it here first! Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Jul 09 15:03:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 22:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 32907 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 22:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 22:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 22:03:56 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.12d.13d98499 (15887) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.132]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-0709180340; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:03:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:01:32 -0400 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: TR : LeSourdsville Lake (July 4th, 2002)LONG!!! Message-ID: <1422FEB4.5773948E.0000F0AF@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk First, let me start off by letting everyone know that I have uploaded a whole bunch of pics and 2 on-ride videos to our site. you can find the pics in their respective folders here : http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/lst ______ I was planning on going to Conneaut Lake and Waldameer on Thursday July 4th because I didn't want to drive all the way to Cincinatti by myself. As soon as my friends (Rob, Chris and Kristin...all from Coasterbuzz) told me they were going that way and invited me, I had to go along. The day started off for me about 8:30 when I got up to get ready to meet my friends who were coming from about an hour north of me. They arrived at my house at 9:00 and we, barring many "side-trips" along the way finally reached LeSourdsville Lake around 1:15-1:30. After walking through some spilled "Pork-N-beans" in the parking lot we waited about 25 minutes in the ticket line behind a family of about 30 who finally decided which of them wanted to ride and which ones only wanted to swim. My first impressions of this park as we pulled in to the parking lot were mixed. While I was very glad to be there and I was very happy that it was re-opened, I saw a few Kentucky Neck-Warmers (AKA -Mullets..coined by Rob) and I thought we were in for a SFKK-ish crowd. That really wasn't the case. Being in southern Ohio, it actually wasn't nearly that bad. About the same as PKI. Our first stop was the Flyers. I got a few almost snaps on them, and then I got a big pop. Then I was done. We meandered around the area where the Carousel is (Yes, I got a picture)and filmed, scouted and basically imagined what was to come for the future of this park. It is by no means done. Shops are still closed, shows aren't open yet, and I was disappointed that the model trains weren't working yet, but the rides were in PERFECT working order. The Tilt-A-Whirl our, in our case, the tilt-a..DON'T cram 4 people in a tub, you WON'T spin) has been given a fresh coat of paint, so has the Tip-Top, and the Round-Up (color wheel) They even had a Zipper! We took a ride on The Serpent: Pinfari Galaxi +3 Average....Standard Galaxi After taking a ride on their "round-trip" Sky ride (AKA KY Ride, since the S was missing from one of the signs)we decided to head to the coaster I've wanted to ride for years The Screechin Eagle : (1939 John Miller Out and Back with NAD/PTC hybrid trains...CCI Re-Track on the lift/first drop) +8 OMG, This ride is amazing. It doesn't look like it will do much, but if you "Schmeck" it you'll be in for a real surprise. Back seat is a great ride, too. The first drop, second hill/curve are pretty standard, but as soon as you hit the 3rd hill with the "little dip" it all breaks loose. I was happy to have a lapbar at that point. It provides better air than the Phoenix in most spots. While the Phoenix is "bam bam bam" and the Screechin Eagle is more paced. I swear I still have the bruises on my thighs, and the lapbars are buzzbars. We took the mini-scale NAD train over to the back of the park (only way to get there from that side)which exits by the log flume. We decided to pass on the flume, as it is the absolute wettest flume I've ever seen. there are rapids in there, and the drop's splash is INSANE (see picture) From there we walked around the park taking some more pictures and riding eagle A LOT. Then we headed out to Stricker's Grove around 4:00. We came back from Stricker's at around 7:00 only to find that the park closed at 9. at around 8:55, we realized there was MORE to this park that we hadn't seen yet. Too bad it was closing time (time to get ready for the fireworks) I can't wait to get back to this park It's AMAZING, and I know things are shaping up. Thanks to everyone at "Americana" (as the trash cans say) for working so hard to get this park up and running. I can't wait until all the shops and shows are open. Thanks to everyone who read this far. I URGE you to get to LeSourdville lake as soon as you can. It's really an amazing park. --Josh "Stricker's Grove coming soon" Wozny RCT MOD From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 09 15:57:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 22:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 34835 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 22:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 22:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 22:57:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 10338 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Jul 2002 22:02:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20020709220251.10337.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: More Roller Coaster Tycoon pinball pictures.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:02:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Man those pin-geeks are fast! Here are some close-up (but rather poor) pictures: http://www.3coinop.com/pins/rct.htm I don't know how interested you all are in this .. I will keep my posts way down unless more information is specifically requested! If any Chicago coaster-talk readers want to meet there one evening this week, let me know. I will probably go several times.. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 09 16:34:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 9 Jul 2002 23:34:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 31412 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2002 23:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2002 23:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2002 23:34:13 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.73.223dd736 (18404) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73.223dd736.2a5ccceb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:34:03 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /the Decendants To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan In a message dated 7/8/02 8:24:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, IheartGODandGOV@aol.com writes: << oh, and i am one of the few people that can actually say that I SAW THE DECENDANTS LIVE!!!!!!! >> My mom said she saw them a few times but that they weren't a real punk band, that they are a skate-punk band (my parents were punks before we were born). Plus my dad works at CBGB's so when they played he probably booked the show. If you ever go to CB's you should let me know. My dad lets people in for free if we ask him to. -Dainan From shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 17:07:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 00:07:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 89851 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 00:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 00:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 00:07:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 00:07:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:07:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73.223dd736.2a5ccceb@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 966 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "shiveringtimbers2000" X-Originating-IP: 63.29.149.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89457996 X-Yahoo-Profile: shiveringtimbers2000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > My mom said she saw them a few times but that they weren't a real punk band, > that they are a skate-punk band And what does she consider punk? New York Dolls, Stooges, MC5, Modern Lovers, Suicide, etc.? That's really what I consider punk, but told this chick to check out the Descendents, as Blink 182 and the like are blatantly derivative of the surf punk pop stylings. (my parents were punks before we were born). No, you're making me feel old. I have a horrible feeling that I'm not that much younger than your parents. > Plus my dad works at CBGB's so when they played he probably booked the show. Wow that's dope. > If you ever go to CB's you should let me know. My dad lets people in for > free if we ask him to. > -Dainan Sorry I dragged this TR so far off topic, especially since this was my first post on here. That was a nice TR, by the way. No Boss at SGStL? -chris From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Jul 09 17:34:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 00:34:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 19735 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 00:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 00:34:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 00:34:58 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.40.20644efc (657) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40.20644efc.2a5cdb2e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:34:54 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/2002 8:08:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com writes: > And what does she consider punk? New York Dolls, Stooges, MC5, Modern > Lovers, Suicide, etc.? That's really what I consider punk, but told > this chick to check out the Descendents, as Blink 182 and the like are > blatantly derivative of the surf punk pop stylings. > Don't forget the Clash, The Exploited and the Misfits for the older bands and The Casualties, Unseen, Antidote, Aus-Rotten, Choking Victim/Leftover Crack etc. for the newer bands. Street Rock is the best. The we get into my "other" bands like ot Oi!, Skate-ish punk and Hardcore I.E. Minor Threat. I'd like to put them on my headphones while I ride :) I listen to all sorts of "Punk-Genres" ranging from Street to Skate but I can't stand Blink 182. --Josh "I know I'm off topic, but this list is all about people having stuff in common, right?" Wozny RCT MOD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Jul 09 18:23:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 01:23:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 75923 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 01:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 01:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 01:23:07 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.7c.2a91b257 (25099) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c.2a91b257.2a5ce66b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:22:51 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdainan In a message dated 7/9/02 8:08:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com writes: Hello. Dainan's mom here. Dainan got all stressed over this thread and asked me to respond to it myself. Now I'm sorry I opened my mouth! Lol. So to answer your question.... <> While I did like those bands as well as Patti Smith, X-ray Spex and Johnny Thunders, 70's punk really wasn't my "thing". Way back before I was the local Kool Aid mom I was an early 80's NYHC squatter kid so I tended to listen mostly to the bands my friends were in; Nausea, Agnostic Front, Token Entry (my 1st boyfriend sang for that one & now he manages Green Day! Coulda been rich...oh well :), Underdog, Misery, etc. Some Oi & ska, but mostly local stuff. I was briefly in a band called Insurgence, and Dainan's dad was (and is still) in a band called SFA. <> Don't panic! I'm probably older than you. I'm 32 yrs old. I was relatively young when I had the boys (20). If you want to discuss this any further you can email me privately (MamaRose1129@aol.com). I think me writing on this list is pissing Dainan off :) -Sam From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 18:23:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 01:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29903 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 01:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 01:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20607.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.165) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 01:23:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20020710012331.32978.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.53.246] by web20607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:23:31 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Saga Continues: Six Flags Fiesta Texas 5-24-02 To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 Dedicated Coaster Fans, This is what, part five in my series of reports of my trials and tribulations “Deep in the Heart of Texas”. Unlike the last two parts, this one will actually include talk about (gasp) rollercoasters. I hope I can live up to the drama filled emotional setup I led into in the last couple of TRs. But if not, we can always fall back on the coasters =]. Speaking of coasters, since they are included, the ratings have returned. To remind those playing along at home the scale I use is as follows. For all comparisons, I will use a modified version of the ubiquitous “Griswold” scale but instead of using the numbers –3 to +5, I will use words instead to give more “life” to the TRs. The rankings are as follows: -3 = SUCK-TACTULAR -2 = CRAP-TASTIC -1 = WOMPS 0 = AIIGHT +1 = NOTABLE +2 = INTRIGUING +3 = IMPRESSIVE +4 = AWESOME +5 = WAY SCHWAY More preliminary stuff, it was brought to my attention that I when introducing the cast of characters, I did not include approximate ages. I will do so here. Sam: mid 40s Short Bob: early 30s (31, I believe) Roz: mid to late 40s Debra: late 30’s Barry: mid 30s Tall Bob: early 40s Mark: early 30s Harvey: early 30s Karen: early 30s (32 I believe) Dave: 35 Rob: 30 Jeremy (me =]): 26 Keep in mind that I was clearly the youngest. It will play an important role in the series’ dénouement. But for now, it’s just there for completeness (and in case some one wants to re-enact this as a play (all rights reserved by Nor-Mac, Inc.)) Well we all wake up and partake of the hotel’s breakfast buffet. After, eating, we took a moment to collect ourselves, then it was off to the park (about 20-30 min away). Debra and I had told “The Foursome” that we’d be tagging along. However, we made no such announcement to Sam and the rest. In retrospect, that was an error. It never occurred to me that they Van might have delayed their departure expecting us to come down. That was inconsiderate of me and for that, I even here publicly apologize. Honestly, it never even crossed my mind. Consciously, however, I had made the decision not to tell them because of fear that old “Ranter Rob” would somehow manage to tag along. Sam ‘did’ see me in the upstairs hallway waiting with Karen et al. so it ‘should’ have been apparent (I think they did figure it out). But in any case, it would have been better had I made that clear. Well, the van departed well ahead of the SUV because, for some reason, Debra was playing around on email for longer than we expected. We ended up leaving about 15-20 min after our planned sortie, but were soon on our way! Where: Six Flags Fiesta Texas, San Antonio, Texas When: May 24, 2002 Why: Day 6 of the Coaster Zombies “Best Little Coasters in Texas” tour Weather: Overcast intermittent drizzle Weary Willies (crowds): KIDS and LOTS of EM! Riding off that last line above, the first thing we notice as we get to the park entrance is a seemingly endless line of school busses (SHI+). Apparently, this was the day that an entire district full of middle schools decided to treat their students to a “fun day at the park”. Great, just what I needed. It was especially funny given the present company because just the day before we were joking around. Mark proceeded to ask if any of us had kids. Upon finding out that we were all childless he announced “KIDS SUCK!” Maybe it’s not funny to you, but it had me on the floor (perhaps it was the theatrics). We must have picked the slow lane, because it took a really long time for us to get through the parking “toll” gates. Nevertheless, we were still able to get a relatively good parking spot, suprisingly, right next to the van of our cohorts who left 20min before us (but they were already out of the van when we pulled up). With a flash of our pass, and a quick search, we were in the park. We posed for the gate photo (dubbing ourselves “The Rebels”) and went off in search of the coasters! Overall Impression of the park: IMPRESSIVE SFFT is BY FAR the best themed Six Flags park I’ve ever been to. I mean, with the large castle that housed the flume, the pool ball teacups, and the fact that the ground material changed with the lands all served to put me on notice that someone actually cared what the park looked like. Also, that quarry wall setting just was the perfect backdrop for the rides. I liked the look of the park very much. The parls biggest downfall was simply that it is still kinda little. Not in size, as from end to end it’s a nice little hike. But in terms of things to do, well it’s not that much (and one of the coasters it just a waste of space…but I’m getting ahead of myself) Now Dave and ‘dem had a little ‘tradition’ that they had been doing all week. One person was given the “tiara” for the day and was allowed to make the major decisions. Well today was to be Karen’s day. To start off the day, Karen chose that tangled skein of Stengel goodness: POLTERGEIST: Premier Steel LIM ‘Mad Cobra’: INTRIGUING We got over to the haunted house themed station and were treated to a surprise, both trains were on the track! They ran a couple of test runs with both trains and then we were allowed on the first train of the day. Now, as you all know, SFA is my home park and Joker’s Jinx has gotten a similar lapbar conversion. Suprisingly, I had not had the chance to ride the ‘new’ JJ before Poltergeist (and as of 7-9-02, I STILL havent ridden JJ this year). It had started to rain lightly, but that didn’t damper our ride. There seemed to be a little rattle in the track/wheel assembly, but nothing offensive. It was still a very enjoyable ride. It seemed like our rainy ride was only a quick cloudburst as it had ceased by the time we disembarked. We then paraded over to the newest coaster in the park: SUPERMAN: KRYPTON COASTER: B&M 6-inversion floorless looper: WAY SCHWAY! The tiara adorned Karen ordained that we first ride this floorless the way all floorless coasters should be ridden, in the front. Upon approaching the coaster, the first thing that caught my eye was this weird helix like thingy sitting right there on the top of the canyon wall. Also, the lift itself runs up onto this same wall. This coaster, much like Magnum XL-200 ate Cedar Point, really benefits from its location. Anyway, a little description of the ride: Up the lift. Dip. Wild mouse like turn to the right. Drop. Big honkin loop. Climb into helix on wall. Drop. Great 0-G roll. Better than average cobra roll. Midcourse. SWEET drop. Interlocking corks. Brakes. Now the ride in the front was cool and all, but it was the next ride in the back that put this as my favorite floorless (just above Kraken) and my 2nd favorite coaster of the trip (behind Freeze of course). S:KC was not as “perfect” as Kraken, but there was a certain ‘wildness’ to it especially in the 0-G roll and the midcourse drop. It was just GREAT! After a small handful of S:KC rides, we took a brief respite to be credit whores and snagged a ride on: DER ROLLSCHUHCOASTER: Vekoma rollerskater (?): AIIGHT Okay, how the hell do you even pronounce that name? Anyway, it looked like a rollerskater simply because of the cars being shaped like skates. But the ride seemed shorter than say the rollerskater @ SFKK. Whatever, we got the very quick count and went forth. We continued clockwise in the park in search of the organic coaster. About this time we still were marveling about the landscaping and such in the park. Well, Deb, Mark, Harvey and I were anyway. Karen and Dave had previously been to the park, though that was before Poltergeist. Well we rapidly approached one of the coasters I was really looking forward to riding, despite all the terrible reports. Dave told us to “Set expectations to LOW!” as we queued for: RATTLER: Summers & Dinn woodie: CRAP-TASTIC! Worst woodie ever! Now, I heard the ride was rough, and being the masochist that I am, I coerced Debra to ride with me in the rear of the train. Crap does not begin to describe this ride. The ride starts out with a rather lame drop, turnaround, drop sequence that, while not rough, was just boring. Then we get to the most stupid part of any coaster I’ve ever ridden: a weird undulating descending triple helix which Debra nicknamed “The Pain Chamber”. Now, I didn’t find that section to be painful, but it didn’t do ANYTHING. If it HAD caused me pain, at least that would have been something. But I just took the whole time wondering “What the F%CK were they thinking?!?” After what seemed liked an eternity, we exited the helix and entered the ONE redeeming quality of the ride that kept it from SUCK-TACTULAR. There was a nice little dive into a tunnel. No, it didn’t have any airtime, but it gave a good sense of speed and I’ve always been a sucker for tunnels. Not to mention in the tunnel there was an unexpected curve to the right that gave a hint of out of control feeling. But other than that, it was the first woodie that I honestly had ZERO desire to ride again. We then dropped by next door and after traversing a ridiculously long queue we ended up in the station for: ROAD RUNNER EXPRESS: Intamin (?) Mine Train: WAY SCHWAY! Okay, don’t confuse this +5 with the +5 for S:KC. I loved S:KC MUCH more than RRE but, for a mine train, RRE was about as good as it gets. There was a hint or two of air, some really powerful helices and the themeing was wonderful. At just about every turn, there was my guy Wile E. Coyote (Super Genius) with some plot to try and get us. Whether it was a dropping boulder or an ACME rocket, he tried all he could to get us. But, in true RoadRunner fashion, we managed to reverse all his schemes! Now there was a bit of non-coaster excitement here. We ran into the notorious “Red Shirts”. As I mentioned above, there were mobs of kids at the park. It seemed like the entire middle school district in San Antonio decided this was the day to bus their kids to the park. Well, in the station there was a group of say about 8-9 kids accompanied by an adult chaperone. The weird thing was that they were all aligned in a single row behind the adult. Well when the airgates opened, all ten people attempted to board the train in various seats. The adult and one kid boarded about 2 rows up from where they were standing and several of the Red Shirts just bullyfooted their way in front of other kids waiting to ride. And it wasn’t just this one train. Red Shirts just kept coming and coming. I had to shove one of them out of the way when they tried to take my seat. Then one of the little bastards stepped on my feet after we exited the ride. As you can guess, we tried our best to avoid the Red Shirts for the rest of the day. With that, there was only one more credit that we had to obtain (I told you the park was small). That credit being the oft cloned: BOOMERANG: Vekoma boomerang: IMPRESSIVE Now, I’ve never been the biggest fan of standard boomerangs, but neither do I think they all suck. I’ll ride them and for the most part, I’m glad to ride them. Yes, every man and his momma has one in their back yard, but that doesn’t mean that they arent fun. This particular one was great because the headrest had these tow little posts that served to cradle your head (like on a Frisbee or HUS Jump if your ever ridden one). This kept me from having ANY headbanging at all. It was great. Mark, Harvey, Karen and Dave all agreed. Poor Debra, OTOH, was too short to benefit from the head cradle and got beat up just like any other boomer. Cant please everyone I guess. Well with all the credits neatly wrapped up, it was a good time for a repast. Since there were six different personalities to deal with, we selected the International Food Court at Sangerfest Halle for lunch (think PKI/BGW Festhaus). I got the German sampler plate that had three different sausages, German Potato salad and red cabbage (I think..). Of course, I had to get a big honkin brew to wash it down. Everybody else got something different. If memory servers, I think Mark and Harvey got Italian, Debra got Mexican and Karen & Dave got American. Whatever the case, all of us seemed satisfied with our choices. As we were finishing up, their “Carnival International” show started. Now I know that SFFT gets the Golden Ticket award for having the best shows in the business, but we were compelled to leave…QUICKLY! Wanting to check out some of the parks fine themeing, Dave and I went ahead and rode: BUGS’ WHITE WATER RAPIDS: Hopkins (?) Log Flume: AWESOME The others had no desire to get wet so it was just Dave and I on this one. When we got in the line, we really couldn’t tell how long it would be. The queue is enclosed and traverses several rooms so it’s kinda hard to gauge. After a few minutes, I left the line to tell the others that our wait “could” be lengthy and if they wanted to ride something else, to feel free. They were like, “No that’s okay, we’ll wait”. I could see why. They had found the water cannons and were determined to get us. I line jumped my way back to where Dave was (ducks tomatoes) and we only waited about 30 min because the line moved very fast. All throughout the queue they were playing the Bugs Bunny cartoon where Yosemite Sam was a medieval knight and had the green pet dragon (“I am Sir Ohsis of the Liver, Duke of Earl, Beef of Wellington…”). The ride itself is in Florida Splash Mountain side-by-side seating 8-person logs. We sat in the very back and were treated to a nice long ride with quite a few surprises. Of course, the others set us up and nailed our boat with EVERY water cannon there. We weren’t by any means soaked, but awfully damp! Here’s where I start to forget exactly the order that we did things. I believe our next stop was another spin on POLTERGEIST. We looked in on SCREAM, but the line was longer than we were willing to wait. Proceeding into the boardwalk area, we toyed with the idea of riding SCOOBY DOO GHOSTBLASTERS…THE MYSTERY OF THE HAUNTED MANSION (yes that is the entire name), but again, the line was just too long and too slow moving. We “did” however take a moment to ride: FRISBEE: HUSS Frisbee: AWESOME I love these rides, as they are my favorite flats. The cycle was good and long, though Dave, Karen and Debra noted that the SFNE version is more intense. In any case, it was good fun to me. We started to slow down a bit more and just talk and look around at stuff. No heavy conversation, basically just about how “rebellious” we had been. We also took a quick spin on: THE HUSTLER: Morgan Manufacturing themed teacups: IMPRESSIVE Well the ride wasn’t really impressive as I’m not really a big fan of teacups. Then on top of that, our car didn’t spin very well anyway. The real reason we even went on the ride in the first place was that the cars were themed as pool balls. We just thought that it was such a neat thing (even the base of the ride was green felt colored) that we just “had” to do it. The girl working the ride noticed my Phantom’s Revenge shirt and asked me about it. Of course I started my normal ritual of casual flirting. Then she started talking about how she was likely going to go to Pittsburgh sometime this summer because her “grandmother was going to finally die”. Apparently, she’d been battling illness for a while, but that was a little heavier than I wanted to get. We split into two groups: me, Karen and Dave in the 2 ball and Debra, Mark & Harvey in the nine ball. Well the nine ball got to spinning right away. During the ride, the girl heckled us saying “The nine ball is beat you all at spinning” and things like that. When the ride finally came to an end, they kept right on spinning the ball. Finally the girl said “Number nine, would you please stop spinning. You’re making “me” nauseous!” We of course fell out laughing. We then took another spin or two on S:KC and then went in search of souvenirs. I went ahead and found a dart throwing game (again) and won myself a medium sized Alaskan Husky doll. We took all our booty back to the SUV and returned to riding. We got in some more rides on S:KC including once where there was a slight breakdown and we got some little girls trying to line jump. We interrogated them and one of them said she was just trying to get her dad. “So where’s your dad?” “He’s right there!” “Sir is this your daughter?” ………..long pause………. “Yeah…sure…whatever…” Wasn’t even worth it she was busted so bad. They went to the front of the train anyway so they didn’t bother us. We did at some point also get another ride on RATTLER near the front. It still sucked really bad and not even in a funny way like Rotting Lumber @ SFGAdv. So what happened with the rest of our group. I’m glad you asked. We ran into Sam and Bob a few times during the day, but it was never much more than a high and bye sort of thing. I have now idea what was going on in people’s minds but hey, that’s a TP not an MP (Their Problem, not My Problem). As the night was coming to a close, we got a ride on: SCREAM: S&S “Combo” Towers: AWESOME Once again, the themeing here was cool. SCREAM is themed to a cheesy 50’s area drive in “B” horror movie. There are big assed facades and billboard scattered around the ride. I really like the S&S Space Shot rides and can tolerate the Turbo Drop much better than I can Intamin Giant Drops. It was really cool to get both programs in one ride. Well it was getting really close to closing time so we stopped right next door for a quick spin (or was it two) on POLTERGEIST. Here we ran into Rob and of course, he had tons to say. We mentioned how we had just gotten off scream and that the boomerang was actually quite good. He nonchalantly says, “Yeah, I think I’ll try that”. Me, Dave and Karen are all dumbfounded as it was like 5 minutes till closing and he was acting like he had all day to ride. We couldn’t understand what he was doing that he never got around to the boomerang. Whatever, he left and went his own way. We once again hit up some shops (I found a Fiesta Texas shirt on the clearance rack and an orange San Antonio Fiesta Texas shirt as well), bought the “entrance” photo from earlier in the day (it’s still in my wallet now) then headed back to the SUV with Mark’s “DANCE BITCH” blaring out of the CD player. I don’t remember much happening that evening (I don’t even remember eating, though I’m sure we did). But I got back to the hotel turned on the TV and fell asleep, fully happy with my day. I had great sleep until …. well look at the next installment =] lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 18:25:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 01:25:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 31357 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 01:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 01:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.157) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 01:25:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20020710012524.96899.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.53.246] by web20601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:25:24 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Series Concludes: Sea World Texas 5-25-02 To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 This is (at long last) the final installment of series of Trip Reports from my venture “Deep in the Heart of Texas”. As with most things, all must eventually come to a head and this is where the proverbial schitt hit the fan. Warning: Parental Advisory: STRONG LANGUAGE AHEAD! The “plan” was simply to head out to Sea World Texas for a few hours before returning to Houston for our flights out on Sunday. That should give us plenty of time to hit Steel Eel and Great White a few times and see a show or two. Today was supposed to be a relaxing “cool down” to the trip. “Supposed” being the operative word. As out last episode closed, I was in my bed, sleeping like the oversized baby I am. I was roused from my slumber by the sounds of drawers being slammed, walls being kicked and Rob extolling “God-fucking-damnit, I gotta get out of here!”, leaving the hotel room and slamming the dor behind him. Bleary-eyed and confused, I merely roll over, look at the clock, notice that it is more than an hour before I had intended to awake, and went back to sleep. Once a more “human” hour arrived I silently got up, clean and dressed. By now Rob had returned and he attempted to apologize for his outburst citing that “there are things going on on this trip that nobody is talking about”. Again confused and more than a little bit irritated, I muttered something along the lines of “okay” or “whatever”, not really accepting the apology, but at least acknowledging the attempt. I then headed down to breakfast. At breakfast, I found out that Barry had made arrangements to fly back from San Antonio rather than Houston and thus was already gone. I tried to just “Eat, drink and be merry”, but that “nobody’s talking” bit Rob said was bothering me. I noticed that Dave and ‘dem were getting ready to leave the table as they were through eating, but I made a hand motion asking they to stay for a while. You see, it'’ always been tradition in my family that if you have an issue, you let it be known. So if things needed to be talked about, it was going to be talked about right here right now! But wouldn’t you know it, the one that brought it all us, Rob, was taking his sweet assed time coming down. Finally, he arrived, got some food and sat down. At that point, I let “The Hostyl One” have the floor (mind you, we are all sitting down in the hotel restaurant with families and such around). I stated, “Apparently, some people feel that there are some issues surrounding this trip that need to be talked about. Now, if I have done something that has embarassed or pissed someone off, I really don’t give a shit. But if you have a problem with something I did, I’d appreciate if you just say it rather than being mad behind my back.” Well that did it, the finger was out of the dike and the floodwaters were a’rushing. Rob starts off by declaring that me going off to SFFT in the SUV without telling him was “bullshit”. I was immediately on ten (my designation for being pissed off). The thought that went through my mind was “I’m not you’re fucking boyfriend. I don’t have to tell you shit about where I’m going”. But before I even had a chance to spew that retort, Short Bob rang in with his frustrations about the “other” doing their own thing and not keeping up with the group. Harvey rebutted that they had “tried” to make contact but Roz’s phone was unreachable. (Funny, I don’t recall her saying a damn thing in defense). During the “conversation” (and I use the term loosely) it also came up that Dave isnt good with hospitals which is why they opted out of visiting Tall Bob back on Monday. Well, Rob used this as an oportunity to launch a barb at me. Now I had mentioned that I was not altogether happy with some of the “on the fly” decisions that were made during the trip, including visiting Tall Bob and taking the last ride @ SFoT on the lights on Runaway Mountain. This was said in the context of being adaptable to “the will of the group”. I said that had anyone taken the time to “ASK” me my opinion, I would have dissented, but it wasn’t a big enough point for me to make an issue out of. But Rob twisted it to make it seem as if I was complaining about being “forced” to do something I didn’t want to. He even went as far to say “You’re 26 years old for Christ’s sake. No one can force you to do what you don want to. Act your age!” At this point, it took every bit of restraint in my body to not slap the shit out of that boy. How DARE you make any reference to my maturity when it was YOU who was throwing a temper tantrum at 6 o’clock in the morning with NO regard for our neighbors. I guess the “Nigger” was starting to show in my face because Sam immediately tried to calm down the situation. Personally, I think he cut off the “discussion” a bit prematurely because I don’t think everyone vented satisfactorily (Sam included). But we agreed that communication was at the base of all these misunderstandings and would attempt to talk better for the remainder of the trip. Well, I for one was placated, but hey whatever. Sam also suggested (aimed directly at Debra and I) that we pack up into whatever vehicle we were going to travel to Houston in. While I’d have LOVED to pick the SUV, the simple fact was there was no room so the van it was. BUT, I made it clear that my intention was to hang out with the SUV people once we got to the park. With that, we packed up and departed the hotel. Sam hadn’t been over to Alamo yet so we stopped by there first. Then we headed out to our original destination: Where: Sea World Texas, San Antonio, Texas When: May 25, 2002 Why: Day 7 of the Coaster Zombies “Best Little Coasters in Texas Tour” Weather: Hot and Drizzly Weary Willies (crowds): PACKED It seemed to take us an excessively long time to get to SWT. Mark called us several times during the ride up to coordinate where/when we were going to meet. When I mentioned that they were already at the park, I heard Sam say that they “must have had better directions, but didn’t bother to share”. Excuse me? Didn’t YOU devise this trip? You’re gonna actually tell me that you didn’t plot out the routes ahead of time? This is NOT incentive to ever join one of your trips again. But I kept that comment to myself (and Debra). Once we got to the park, I just saw an endless line of cars and busses driving up to the park. I called Mark again and they confirmed from inside what I saw outside, the park was going to be crowded. Now Harvey had given to Roz a couple of days previous a coupon for a discount on admission. When we got all parked and everything, she needed to hit the restroom so we got in line to cut the wait down. Well her shady/triffiling ass used the coupon only for herself even though it was clearly stated that Rob and I were to use it as well. Fuck her. We found another coupon got in and I told Mark that we would meet them by the entrance to Steel Eel. Mark said only half jokingly “Can you just bring you and Debra?”. I laughed and replied “I’ll try” =}. Now I’d never been to the park so of course I had no idea of the layout. But I figured that the big yellow bastard wouldnt be hard to find, which is why I picked it. I told Sam that was the meeting place and he was not happy. He exclaimed, “That’s all the way in the back of the park”. My first reaction was “So…”, but before I could even get that out good he was already muttering “That whole conversation he had this morning meant nothing…” At this point, I just got the feeling that he felt that if it wasn’t what “HE” wanted to do (go to the Shamu Show) then it was somehow a violation. With that, in my mind I said “fuck you” but aloud said “Well have fun, I’ll see you back at the van at four”. Debra and Rob followed me and we went over to: STEEL EEL: Morgan “Junior” Hypercoaster: somewhere between IMPESSIVE and AWESOME We saw Mark and ‘dem on the train just dispatching so we waited for them by the entrance. Not long after, Sam and Short Bob arrived as well (it was too late for the Shamu show anyway). After some time for Sam to find a locker for his camera, we all got on for a ride (or in my case 3). The ride was quite pleasant, especially in the backseat. On the first and third hills particularly, the coaster bottoms out a little hard, earning the nickname “BootySlam: The Ride”. The rest of the ride was filled with that signature “Sweet Morgan Air” ™. Good times. After several rides, we headed over towards the other coaster in the park. On the way, I spied a beer stand where, suprisingly, I was able to get an MGD (Miller? In a Busch park?) The vendor told me they were outside contractors so they just sell what the people want. I had to down my beer quickly and help Debra finish off hers because it was soon our turn to ride: GREAT WHITE: B&M 5-inversion inverted coaster: IMPRESSIVE Kinda weird riding a Batman clone not called Batman. But to paraphrase a well-known proverb: “A Batman by another name is just as intense”. ‘Nuff said. With that, we headed off for something to eat. I had something beefy and drowned in BBQ sauce. Cant remember what is was, but I remember eating it all. About the time we finished eating, Rob started complaining about feeling a bit ill. He blamed it on the small swig of beer he took before getting on Great White. Now maybe it’s because I’m about a second away from being a drunk myself, but I doubt seriously that such a small amount caused that type of physical reaction. Anyway, we next went to the Shamu show, which was relaxing, but not really that great IMHO. The one good thing was that despite sitting right next to me, Rob did not talk my ear off. He was actually silent a good part of the show. Afterwards, Rob split off to do his own thing and Mark, Harvey, Dave, Karen, Debra and I went off to the sea lion and otter show. This show sucked. I mean, the writing was corny, but that wasn’t the bad thing. The timing of the animals and actors was way off. It will be better with a little more polish. After the show, we just went over to STEEL EEL and re-rode till it got near our meeting time. We (Debra and I) ran into Sam and Bob in a gift shop, but instead of waiting for us, they headed out to the van. It took a while for Debra and I to find the van, but we did and in short time were off. The drive to Houston was uneventful, but LONG. It took us nearly an hour just to get out of the San Antonio area because Sam was bullshitting and sightseeing. It’s funny, because the SUV left almost tow hours after we did but arrived at the hotel virtually at the same time we did. Us “rebels” went out to get some pizza and beers and then we all settled in and went to sleep. Dave and Karen’s flight was right about the same time as mine so we rode over to the airport together. With that, we departed and thus ended my trip “Deep in the Heart of Texas”. I’ve since seen Debra twice, at Coaster Madness and Stark Raven Mad, where I additionally ran into Barry. Dave, Karen, Mark and Harvey are all planning on being @ The CoasterZombies invasion of SFA later in the year. I’m sure that if I ever go back to SFA I’ll run into Sam, Short Bob and Rob. Roz, I have no idea when/if I’ll see again. Maybe I’ll just hang out at the Ohio steakhouses! Well, that’s it. I’m sure that this series has proven to be anti-climatic, but what can I say, I’m an engineer not a writer. Now I guess I can write up any current TR with relative impunity. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jul 09 18:29:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 01:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 56774 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 01:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 01:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 01:29:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:29:31 -0700 Received: from 151.205.80.151 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:29:31 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: New England Trip Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:29:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 01:29:31.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DD24400:01C227B1] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.80.151] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Getting ready to head out to CLEVELAND tomorrow morning to go on a big Coaster Trip... Going to AFLAC's and we're heading off to SFGrAdv, Astroland, SFNE, Lake Compounce, Great Escape (to say hi to Chris k!) and SFDL on the way back to CLEVeLAnD. Talk to you all when we get back jeRemy D. -Congrats to George for riding ALL Intamin Impulses with a TWIST- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Tue Jul 09 19:46:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 02:46:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8927 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 02:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 02:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 02:46:37 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.10e.13d2d27c (4199) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10e.13d2d27c.2a5cfa0b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:46:35 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/02 8:36:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MxPx2@aol.com writes: > > And what does she consider punk? New York Dolls, Stooges, MC5, Modern > > Lovers, Suicide, etc.? That's really what I consider punk, but told > > this chick to check out the Descendents, as Blink 182 and the like are > > blatantly derivative of the surf punk pop stylings. > > > > Don't forget the Clash, The Exploited and the Misfits for the older bands > and > The Casualties, Unseen, Antidote, Aus-Rotten, Choking Victim/Leftover Crack > > etc. for the newer bands. > I love Leftover Crack/ Chocking victim, and the unseen are really good also...but i guess i'm...no, dont say it!, a little more into the emo and pop punkish stuff (and NO!!! that DOES NOT MEAN BLINK 182, they are NOT pop-punk, they are just plain crappy pop. but most of all im a ska/rocksteady kid all the way. Any one else looking foreward to the less than jake/pie tasters show??? pie tasters are one of the greatest ska bands around and less than jake is...alright. hahah > Street Rock is the best. The we get into my "other" bands like ot Oi!, > Skate-ish punk and Hardcore I.E. Minor Threat. > > I'd like to put them on my headphones while I ride :) i have a hard enough time landing tricks without another disstraction. (my broken arm of 3 months ago will attest for that one) > > I listen to all sorts of "Punk-Genres" ranging from Street to Skate but I > can't stand Blink 182. > i agree...but when your the severly last minute bassist youll learn the easiest songs their playing in the 2 hrs that you have....i ended up turning my amp off for all the other songs and just pretended like i was playing (and i was really going nuts. what a fun night...i think) > --Josh "I know I'm off topic, but this list is all about people having stuff > > in common, right?" Wozny > > RCT MOD > hey, if theres a mod in the convo then i cant get in trouble for furthering it ;) and nobody better start makin fun of the desendants! one of my all time favorite bands...quality doesnt get much higher than "here in my van" or the quief song. hahhaha mike -is amazed by all the coaster-punks there are [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 09 20:57:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 03:57:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 22800 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 03:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 03:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out020.verizon.net) (206.46.170.176) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 03:57:24 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out020.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020710035721.IPLJ10429.out020.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:57:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3D2BB0A0.6080609@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:57:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFWoA 7-3-02 References: <3D29D0CD.7000509@verizon.net> X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian sent along this reply accidentally sending it to my personal email box, so I'm sending it to the list along with my follow ups. :-) BTW, thanks in advance for the follow up for me Brian! >Seeing that SFWoA is my homey-park, I will offer some corrections. > Thanks! Remember when I wrote this, that I also wrote the following as my excuse for being a dope: A couple words of warning ahead of time though. As I type this I'm on an Amtrak train going down the coast (watching my kids play in the play room here), so not only am I dealing with the passage of time but I also don't have access to my maps or other park info. So if I get a name or something else a bit mixed up, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. :-) >The Impulse is Superman:Ultimate Escape, although it almost sported a >yellow paint scheme, so it could've been a V2. >The boomerang is Mind Eraser, and the SLC is Serial Thriller, common >names for Six Flags. > Bah, I knew that, especially on the Impulse. Really I did! Maybe it was because I had just been on V2 at SFMW about 3 days before I wrote this that I got it mixed up. ;-) > > >I'm glad to see you enjoyed X-Flight, they took good care of it over >the winter. Villain is now running, and better than ever, at least >I've been told... > I wish I'd been able to ride it to find out. Looked like they were doing some semi-major work on the lift system during out visit, so that kind of shot it in the foot for me. :-( > This park definitely needs to improve in the aspects >you pointed out. BKF's biggest "future troublespot" is the first part >of the Cobra Roll. The half-loop/corkscrew combo is a place where the >headbanging you mentioned has big potential to get worse. > That was one spot, but it wasn't the only one by any means. I seem to recall some good bumps at the bottom of the vertical loop to, but don't remember if it was before or after. But I definately remember more than one spot and the one you mention is certainly one of them. > Come back >next year to ride the new hyper, it's gonna be good! > I hope so. I'm hearing that it's Intiman that's building it, and I don't believe that they've built a bad one yet. Can't wait to get on Xcellerator in the next month or so (perhaps it'll be coaster number 150 for me!) > > >As for SoCal, expect to see me in 2003. I'm trying to get out there >during Spring Break(Ohio State will give me 10 days, I think...). My >cousin lives in Visalia, so I'm hoping to drive down to ride >Screamin' and go to SFMM, Knott's and "The Price Is Right". [:)] > Beware the Spring Breaks if yours is the same time as the rest of the country (week before and after Easter). The parks here are jam packed to the gils during those days- unless it rains. Then they're awesomely empty. Still haven't made it to any tv tapings of anything though. > >---Bryan (Who thinks the sudden stops on Legend's lift with Jeremy >and George has lead to damage in my brain, and now I'm gonna sue. [;)] ) > Nah, it wasn't the stopping that did that to you, it was what Jeremy was doing behind you in the train. ;-) (just kidding there- really!!) > George Burnash wrote: > Ok, ok, I know this is really late- especially for me. But I figured I > better finally sit down and type this up. A couple words of warning > ahead of time though. As I type this I'm on an Amtrak train going down > the coast (watching my kids play in the play room here), so not only am > I dealing with the passage of time but I also don't have access to my > maps or other park info. So if I get a name or something else a bit > mixed up, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. :-) > > The Park: Six Flags Worlds of Adventure, Cleveland OH > The People: me and Brian (AFLAC!) > The Weather: fairly nice as I remember it. > Crowds: pretty light. no complaints really here. > Scoring: 1-10, with negatives being horrendous. In other words, my > standard deal. > > Brian and I headed to SFWoA with only a few hours available to us before > we had to head to the airport so I could catch my flight back to CA. > The original plan had been for SFWoA to be the very first park that we > hit on my trip, however I got bumped off my standby seat and ended up > coming out a day later than the original plan. This lack of time, as > well as the day, did have an impact on what we were able to do and see. > > We were limited to only the old Geugua (sic) Lake side of the park and > the rides there. On a normal day I would have really liked to have gone > over to check out the animals and the shows, but it just wasn't able to > happen. I did notice that there was really only a couple of ways to the > old SW side of the park- either by a ferry or by a long walk that was > only on one side of the park. I've heard they've since moved the > boardwalk over to complete the circuit, and that'll help, but another > way accross the lake would be a huge help here. > > Opening impressions: While I wouldn't call SFWoA dirty per se, I > couldn't say that it really looked clean either. The walkways looked > dingy and in need of a good powerspray overnight to remove the tar > spots. I also noticed several spots with chipped, peeling, or faded > paint- which isn't good this early in the season. Little things like > that really affect how people feel about a park and whether or not they > want to come back. Definately room for improvement there. > > Brian and I parked, waved our passes at the gate, and the first thing > that we headed for was V2. This was the third impulse of the trip for > me, and of the three, I'd put it even with WT, and just barely a tick > below the one at SFGrAm just because of the location. I also liked the > elevation at Great America's version to. But the impulses are > definately fun rides, and this one didn't fail to satisfy. Score- a > nice 7.5 > > I believe that the next thing that we hit (literally) was the boomerang. > A standard Vekoma headbanger, and it gets the pretty standard score of > a 4 for a boomer. Great rides if you've never been on one, but not > worth repeating. I do also remember somewhere around this time > commenting on how slow the monorail that is here moves. It would seem > like it would be nice if they sped it up and actually lengthened it so > it went somewhere (like the other side of the park maybe?) But I > remember wondering why anyone would want to bother with it the way it is. > > As I recall after this we were both a bit hungry, so we grabbed a couple > of quick burgers to eat. Pretty standard park food- not horrible, but > not great either. After eating and feeling much more satisfied (and > also noting that they gave out cups of icewater free to anyone who > asked- something that not all parks do), we headed over to the newest > coaster at SFWoA, one that's been getting a good amount of press- Batman > Knight Flight. > > B:KF is one of the newest B&M floorless coasters, and it had a much > longer than necessary wait due to them running only one train. I > believe it took us about 45 minutes to get on, which would seem to > justify 2 trains if there was no other reason that they weren't running > a second. After riding, I determined that the floorless gimick still > doesn't do much for me, but that the layout here is a lot of fun. > However, B:KF is a coaster that is going to have some major problems as > it ages. Due to it being so quiet as it runs (since they filled in the > supports) you can hear something vibrating on the train that isn't > supposed to. Additionally it's got a couple of spots already that are > showing signs of headbanging and problems that will grow in the future. > Right now though they aren't bad and it makes for a very enjoyable > coaster, and one that I wish time would have allowed us more rides on. > But based on the one ride I'd give B:KF a very respectable 8. > > We walked around the area a bit, looking at some of the different rides > and them working on several of them. Seemed like a lot of the rides and > coasters were down for maintanance on this part of the park. But we did > make our way over to Raging Wolf Bobs, so that's what we hopped on next. > > RWB looks like it's going to be a fun coaster with some good twists and > turns and some good spots for potential airtime. Unfortunately the > rolling stock they have on the coaster kill it. This was the first > coaster I had been on that ran old trailored PTC's, and after riding I > can see why these have fallen out of fashion and have been replaced in > so many places. There was far more shuffling, banging, and complete > lack of being able to track well, thus killing so much of what this > coaster could be and adding in some definate moments of > uncomfortableness. It's not by any means a painful coaster, but just by > putting on a regular 2 bench set of trains I can imagine that it would > smooth it out tremendously and make this feel like a totally different > coaster. If anything I came off sad for what it could be but wasn't. > Score: 3.5 > > From here we then hit up the SLC (Mindbender?). It had a longer line > earlier, which was one reason we had skipped it, but now the line had > gone down some, so Brian and I hopped in for some more painful action. > All I can say is that when I rode Kong at SFMW a year ago as my first > SLC, I must have had one incredibly blessed day on it, as none of the > others were anywhere near as smooth. This one had the nice soft padding > on the otsr's, and it needs it. With the padding, it's a tolerable > ride, and one that I'm sure the GP will like. Once or twice is plenty > for me. Notch it up as one for the count and one that no I can comment > on from experience. Score: 5. > > At this point we were really starting to watch the time. X-Flight > hadn't been running when we came in, but we could see it going now. > Knowing we really only had time for Big Dipper (and maybe a flat) or > X-Flight, we decided to take a chance and hopped in line for the Vekoma > Flyer. Also influencind the decision was that I hadn't been on one of > these yet (Stealth is still waiting to happen for me) The line was a > bit long, but looked to be moving at a decent rate when a t-storm rolled > in and shut down everything in the park. It also sent a whole lot of > the people in line packing, so we decided to try to wait it out, knowing > that it was going to be cutting our time to get me to my plane a bit > close. As it turns out, I'm happy we waited, as we did get on, working > as single riders to speed it up a bit. Brian took the back row left > side (looking towards the back of the train) while I was a row in front > of him on the right. > > I really enjoyed my ride on X-Flight, and didn't notice any banging at > all. On the other hand, Brian said that he got beat up bad. I also > really enjoyed the sweeping turns and the helix, while the loop was a > little better than ok in my book- again a bit different from most > people's view of the coaster. I would have really liked more time so > that I could get to know it a bit better and experience the "pain" that > others talk about so I could have an idea, but as it was my ride was > really a lot of fun and I came off it quite excited and pleased. > Especially in comparison to what I was expecting it to be after hearing > about it here and other places. Score: 7.5 > > From there our time ran out and we had to hit the road. A few more > things I'd like to mention though: > > Disappointments: The number of things I missed. Double Loop and Villain > were both down (with a crane and guys working on V's lift hill), and we > ran out of time to ride the Dipper. Also would have liked to have > peeked at the animal side of the park. > > Good things: Park Potential. This place can be an awesome park, but > it's going to take some investing and a willingness to run in the red > for a couple of years. Very simply it needs more infrastructure- > cleaning, painting, quality staffing, increased capacity on rides, > accesibility to the other side, etc. I know that they are cutting hours > and staffing right now, and I understand why, but I think that's the > wrong approach at this point since in so many ways this is a "new" park. > Spend the money now to get people really liking the place, and they'll > make the money back up later. But if they lose the people now because > they aren't willing to spend that, getting them back after a bad > experience is going to be much much harder. > > Other notes from teh trip: > Coaster count on this trip alone- 48 new coasters. > Overall coaster Count: 146 (now 148 after another trip to SFMW, but > that's another TR) > > I also want to thank all the guys on the trip for inviting me out, > putting up with me, and for being such a great group of people to hang > with. Who would have guessed that you could meet so many good friends > through the internet. So to Josh, Brian, Nate, Jeremy D, and Jon Zerkel > (not Zucker), thanks for the transportation, rooming (read: putting up > with my loud snoring) and so much more. And shoutouts to Jeremy N., > Adam, Cameron, Briguy, our newest Brian who I got stuck on Legend's lift > with, and everyone else we met up with on the trip. It was a blast and > half, and I hope somehow that we can do something like that again. > > So when are y'all comin' out to Southern Cal? ;-) > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ______________________________________ > Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. > But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. > > > Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Tue Jul 09 21:04:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 04:04:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 52186 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 04:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 04:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:04:38 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.8e.2aa4ed60 (17081) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8e.2aa4ed60.2a5d0c53@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:04:35 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New England Trip To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/02 9:31:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, coasterclown@hotmail.com writes: > Getting ready to head out to CLEVELAND tomorrow morning to go on a big > Coaster Trip... > > Going to AFLAC's and we're heading off to SFGrAdv, Astroland, SFNE, Lake > Compounce, Great Escape (to say hi to Chris k!) and SFDL on the way back to > > CLEVeLAnD. > > Talk to you all when we get back > > jeRemy D. > -Congrats to George for riding ALL Intamin Impulses with a TWIST- > Hey!!!!!! why no invite for the CT kid (everyone hates the CT kids ;-) ) what day(s) are you going to be in SFNE and LC. they are both within an hour of my house if you two wanna meet up. also, on the way from astroland to either SFNE or LC is Rye playland. you just get off the playland parkway exit in rye, NY and follow the road for like 5 minutes and your there. ive never been to this place (at least when it was open) but it looks really nice and has a great looking woodie. drop me a line if you two wanna meet up mike -the CT coaster emo ska punk 18 year old [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 09 21:46:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 04:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10483 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 04:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 04:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp015.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:46:43 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:46:19 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: QUES: Flagging Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:43:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I know this has been discussed before, but does anyone know when SFMM was bought by Six Flags? Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "I am lonely but you can free me, all in the way that you smile." Neil Young *************** From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 09 21:50:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 04:50:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 13943 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 04:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 04:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out013.verizon.net) (206.46.170.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:50:29 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out013.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020710045030.VAV6892.out013.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3D2BBD13.2030506@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:50:27 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Dorney Park Coaster Madness pictures 2002 References: <59.1dfcb0f9.2a5c787e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Great pics Dainan!! Thanks for sharing! I was able to access them just fine with a little bit of copying and pasting! George CoasterDainan@aol.com wrote: > Hi. These are the same pictures from Dorney Park's Coaster Madness > that I > posted last week, but these are much easier toview (you don't have to > join to > see them) > Copy & paste this address (its 3 lines long!) into your browser: > > http://aolsvc.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Start?event=NetLogin&shareInfo=ZrWzl > > > > pC%2bT%2bxfWMidGVThPXpobr4mLH1pMpcsPSMwy1Z%2fiFD0fyawy7Id3tVWHbf6rRWfkWmn5Qql% > > 0awnkK7TBp58g8sjrrBiJ%2b%2f1x%2fsfdIVE8%3d > > hope you can all see them now. > -Dainan > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 09 21:56:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 04:56:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 79064 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 04:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 04:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out008.verizon.net) (206.46.170.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:56:05 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.40.11.191]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020710045604.SBFR25074.out008.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:56:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3D2BBE64.9040202@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:56:04 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Roller Coaster Tycoon pinball hits Chicago.. References: <20020709203728.9913.qmail@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash cameron@buzzneon.com wrote: > > Man, I have been just dying to talk about this for close to a year now..! > > Stern Pinball (the last remaining pinball company in the world) is working > on a new machine which is based on the computer game: Roller Coaster > Tycoon. I first played a whitewood (a hand built machine used for > development .. there is no artwork, the wood is bare, hence the term > 'whitewood') two months ago, and the game rocks (even then .. and it > was only about 50% complete!). As another pinball nut who wasted far more money on Adams Family, Funhouse, and Taxi than I'd ever like to admit, this is great news! Definately keep us updated on teh progress and when it goes into production. I'd love to know if one is coming anywhere near where I live. keep on ridin' George -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Jul 10 00:44:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 07:44:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 80045 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 07:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 07:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 07:44:16 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/06uN8qEul59GoyPcP/adPPeUcv/SBloJ"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7CEMZ9C; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:43:51 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:48:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Flagging Message-ID: <20020710.024839.-2043475.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-7 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I know this has been discussed before, but does anyone know when SFMM > was > bought by Six Flags? Magic Mountain became Six Flags Magic Mountain in 1979. The park opened in 1971. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jul 10 04:56:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 11:56:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 81071 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 11:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 11:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 11:56:56 -0000 Received: (cpmta 27162 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 04:56:56 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.133 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.138) with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 04:56:56 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Jul 2002 11:56:56 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.175] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: NEWS: North America- Experts Predict Modest Revenue Growth X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:56:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: jay@karenandjay.com Message-Id: <20020710045656.3322.h019.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Industry experts predict there will be modest growth in both revenue and attendance at U.S. waterparks, theme parks and amusement parks during the next three to five years.< Modest is right! I drive by SFNE almost every day. My guage for attendance is the queue at the Cyclone, which with rare exceptions has been almost empty. (Of course, the fact that the ride is running terrible might have something to do with it!) The park isn't nearly as crowded as last year. Superman is still generally a 2-hour wait with one-train operation.=20 (The new train still isn't on the tracks.) B:TDK rarely has a line. The GP know what a good coaster is! And SFNE still hasn't gotten their much-touted Lo-Q system working. Their waterpark on the other hand seems to be doing very well. Lake Compounce, which I've been to quite often this season, seems to be doing well. The place isn't congested, but there's always a respectable crowd. Boulder Dash is taking on a meaner personality, becoming a little more violent than in the past. > While it would be difficult to build a major park, there are still markets that could support a small park< This, to me, is the future. (Except when you have a situation such as poor Whalom Park...) The Holyoke Merry-Go-Round is having Mountain Park day this Saturday. That single stand-alone ride has been doing very well, paying for itself on ticket sales alone. It's run by people who care dearly about it and are concerned about bringing fun activities to the community. Six Flags, on the other hand, seems much more concerned about meeting their bottom line. > The ride wars =97 seeing who can build the tallest, fastest, most expensive ride =97 are over< Thank God. Now let's get back to building quality rides and not worry about the size. Jay From bill@childsfamily.com Wed Jul 10 05:28:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 12:28:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 32977 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 12:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 12:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 12:28:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 12:28:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:28:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Saga Continues: Six Flags Fiesta Texas 5-24-02 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020710012331.32978.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1084 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm > RATTLER: Summers & Dinn woodie: CRAP-TASTIC! > Worst woodie ever! Now, I heard the ride was rough, > and being the masochist that I am, I coerced Debra to > ride with me in the rear of the train. Crap does not > begin to describe this ride. Just in case you don't know, this ride was (*WAS*) a terrific ride in its first couple of years. It was also the cause of a number of legitimate injuries having nothing to do with rider misconduct, etc. That now-lame first drop was much, much, much better than it is now, and you maintained enough speed that the now-just-silly helix was taken at a real speed and was actually pretty fun. For a pretty good summary of the changes to the ride (and the problems with it), see http://www.mysa.com/mysanantonio/extras/parks/1916parksrattler.shtml. The first drop was changed from 166 feet to 122 feet, and that 44 feet makes a big difference. While I think making some changes was necessary to make the ride safer, I am quite sure that it could have been done better. I'd love to see what CCI or GCI would do with it. Bill From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 07:59:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 14:59:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 90227 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 14:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 14:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 14:59:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20020710145937.91935.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:59:37 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: RCT Get-together To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Here is the schedule for our RCT event. Again, if you have not e-mailed me that you are coming please do so asap. I will provide a list of people this weekend. Conneaut Lake Operating Hours: Noon- 9 Meeting: 5 and 7 p.m. in front of the Blue Streak Kennywood 10:30 (gate), 11 (rides)- closing depends on crowds and weather Meeting: 10:45 at the Old Mill 2:30 at the Pitt Fall Six Flags WOA Operating Hours:10-10 10:10- Meet at the Giant Wheel If you have any suggestions on changes to the schedule please tell me. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bill@childsfamily.com Wed Jul 10 08:04:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 15:04:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 81264 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 15:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 15:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 15:04:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 15:04:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:04:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS: RCT Get-together Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020710145937.91935.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1138 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm Though I'm not attending, it might be good to include the days and dates of the park visits. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Adam Sandy wrote: > Here is the schedule for our RCT event. Again, if you > have not e-mailed me that you are coming please do so > asap. I will provide a list of people this weekend. > > Conneaut Lake > Operating Hours: Noon- 9 > Meeting: 5 and 7 p.m. in front of the Blue Streak > > Kennywood > 10:30 (gate), 11 (rides)- closing depends on crowds > and weather > Meeting: 10:45 at the Old Mill > 2:30 at the Pitt Fall > > Six Flags WOA > Operating Hours:10-10 > 10:10- Meet at the Giant Wheel > > If you have any suggestions on changes to the schedule > please tell me. > Adam > > ===== > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > SM-NL > "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan > *************** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 08:06:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 15:06:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 59063 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 15:06:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:06:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS: RCT Get-together Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 147 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Though I'm not attending, it might be good to include the days and > dates of the park visits. Thanks, Bill. July 26 (Fri) - 28 (Sun). Adam From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 11:55:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 18:55:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 39710 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 18:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 18:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 18:55:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:55:22 -0700 Received: from 68.70.195.45 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:55:21 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:55:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 18:55:22.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[57C40820:01C22843] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [68.70.195.45] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 I only see two of them, and maybe Danian's mom, but she was chilling with Black Flag back in the day... jeRemy D. -hey mike, see you at SFNE or LC- _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Wed Jul 10 12:08:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:08:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 66824 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:08:04 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1aa.4e4b582 (3735) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1aa.4e4b582.2a5de009@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:07:53 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/02 2:57:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, coasterclown@hotmail.com writes: > -is amazed by all the coaster-punks there are > > > I only see two of them, and maybe Danian's mom, but she was chilling with > Black Flag back in the day... > > hey, what about shivering tim. That makes at least 3, 3 1/2. hahaha. > jeRemy D. > > -hey mike, see you at SFNE or LC- yeah! i cant wait. ive never been to a park with an enthusiast before. im always the annoying kid who wants to ride everything and bores everyone with my constant spout of knowledge. hahaha. i will probably be at SFNE, maybe ill bring a freind but i doubt it cause theyr all getting in from cali on thursday night. And we can just pick up chicks AT the park (or at least thats what i always do, ;) ) but what time are you going to be getting to the park? heres a pic of me just so you know what i look like. http://winosarecool.com/images/IM000251.jpg ill call you some time friday to set up meeting time and place, just let me know when your gonna get there. mike -enjoys living 30-45 minutes from SFNE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 12:10:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:10:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 40301 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:10:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.23) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:10:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:10:47 -0700 Received: from 68.70.195.45 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:10:47 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:10:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 19:10:47.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FABB890:01C22845] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [68.70.195.45] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Sorry I dragged this TR so far off topic, especially since this was my first post on here. That was a nice TR, by the way. No Boss at SGStL? -chris Oh yeah, I guess I forgot that... we waited for like 5 mins, then it broke like Nate said then we came back and the line was FOREVER long... it LOOKS beautiful but didn't ride as nicely as I'd built myself up to believe it could... CCI gets a lot of hype, and I see why with Raven, Legend, Cornball Express, Boulder Dash (will in a few days!!), but when I ride their crap like Villian, Twisted Twins, Boss, Huricane Hoosier... i sometime start to wonder whether or not I like GCI more... I've never had a bad GCI experience, from Roar/Gwazi/Lighning Racers/Wildcat... I've never disliked a coaster, unlike those previous listed in the CCI-JUNK file (see Villian and on....). Oh well just somethign I noticed, with everyone PRAISING CCI and how they want their homeparks to get a CCI... well yeah if they're anything like Raven, Legend... but not if they are going to shat out a set of "dueling" Wicked Twisted Twins at CP (where the Dodgem site is.. hehe lol )... anyways that's all about that I'm off for BOULDER DASH! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 12:19:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:19:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8846 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.97) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:19:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:19:23 -0700 Received: from 24.49.140.244 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:19:23 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New England Trip Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:19:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 19:19:23.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2DF5E00:01C22846] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.140.244] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Going to AFLAC's and we're heading off to SFGrAdv, Astroland, SFNE, Lake >Compounce, Great Escape (to say hi to Chris k!) and SFDL on the way back to >CLEVeLAnD. Cool! When are you going to be at TGE? -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Jul 10 12:21:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:21:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 78139 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:21:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.80) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:21:42 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:21:42 -0700 Received: from 24.49.140.244 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:21:42 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: North America- Experts Predict Modest Revenue Growth Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:21:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 19:21:42.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[05C43910:01C22847] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.140.244] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >Modest is right! I drive by SFNE almost every day. My guage >for attendance is the queue at the Cyclone, which with rare >exceptions has been almost empty. (Of course, the fact that >the ride is running terrible might have something to do with >it!) The park isn't nearly as crowded as last year. Superman >is still generally a 2-hour wait with one-train operation. >(The new train still isn't on the tracks.) B:TDK rarely has a >line. The GP know what a good coaster is! And SFNE still >hasn't gotten their much-touted Lo-Q system working. Their >waterpark on the other hand seems to be doing very well. I'd say that's not a very good judge of attendance... from what I've heard, SFNE's attendance is up from last year. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bill@childsfamily.com Wed Jul 10 12:29:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:29:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 84443 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:29:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 19:29:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:29:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 654 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm > I only see two of them, and maybe Danian's mom, but she was chilling with > Black Flag back in the day... (add me to the list, though more of in a "back in the day" DKs, Husker Du, Replacements, NoMeansNo and early-'90s Lookout! Records bands, and so on...though I realize they're now considered sellouts, I like to brag about having Green Day do their first-ever acoustic in- store in my record store back in '90 or '91, I don't remember which...) Wrenching it back on-topic: Looks like I'll probably be at Lake Compounce on Friday afternoon/evening. Anyone wants to try to meet, send an e-mail off-list -- bill (at) childsfamily.com. -B From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 12:40:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:40:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 57562 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20610.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.168) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:40:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20020710194016.26229.qmail@web20610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:40:15 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CoasterMadness @ Dorney Park 6-28-02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- afrsandy wrote: > > T was in a whole 'nother camp though. She was not > > doing well at all. She didnt think the ride was > too > > extreme. She just said that Steel Force made her > > nauseaous. Mike and Joe went for another ride > while I > > wait with T to see if she was gonna puke. I told > them > > that we were gonna take a walk and we'd meet them > back > > by Steel Force in a bit so that they could power > ride. > > T was all like "I'm sorry I dont want to take > from > > your fun". I'm all like it's not a big deal. > After > > sitting for a moment, we got on > > Get that woman some dramamine. Had she had this > problem > on other park visits? Well this was the first time I'd ever been to a park with her. Also, by her admission, it was the first time she had taken so many coaster rides in one day. Usually she'd be in the role of semi-chaparone with younger cousins and whatnot and you all know how the "group mentality" goes when it comes to kids and theme parks. In any case, she didnt even feel the least bit queasy the next day at "The Sweetest Place on Earth" (TM) so I'm not sure what the deal was. lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 12:45:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 12745 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.157) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:45:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020710194545.62858.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:45:45 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- "childs.rm" wrote: > > I only see two of them, and maybe Danian's mom, > but she was > chilling with > > Black Flag back in the day... > > > (add me to the list, though more of in a "back in > the day" DKs, > Husker Du, Replacements, NoMeansNo and early-'90s > Lookout! Records > bands, and so on...though I realize they're now > considered sellouts, > I like to brag about having Green Day do their > first-ever acoustic in- > store in my record store back in '90 or '91, I don't > remember > which...) I guess "Billy Idol" and "Joan Jett" were a little too "pop" for you all huh? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 10 12:47:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 19:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 44831 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 19:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 19:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 19:47:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 11768 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Jul 2002 18:53:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020710185306.11767.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:06 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20020710194545.62858.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> from "Jeremy Norris" at Jul 10, 2002 12:45:45 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > (add me to the list, though more of in a "back in > > the day" DKs, > > Husker Du, Replacements, NoMeansNo and early-'90s > > Lookout! Records > > bands, and so on...though I realize they're now > > considered sellouts, > > I like to brag about having Green Day do their > > first-ever acoustic in- > > store in my record store back in '90 or '91, I don't > > remember > > which...) > > I guess "Billy Idol" and "Joan Jett" were a little too > "pop" for you all huh? Not all .. *I* love rock-n-roll! Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From bill@childsfamily.com Wed Jul 10 13:23:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Jul 2002 20:23:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19883 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 20:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2002 20:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 20:23:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2002 20:23:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:23:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020710194545.62858.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 349 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm > I guess "Billy Idol" and "Joan Jett" were a little too > "pop" for you all huh? Billy Idol was just too annoying. My mother-in-law loves him -- a sure sign of problems. Joan Jett did an outstanding Cole Porter cover with Paul Westerberg (of the Replacements) -- "Let's Do It." It was a great version. I wholeheartedly endorse Joan Jett. From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Jul 10 21:42:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 04:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 84179 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 04:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 04:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 04:42:27 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.126.136344ef (15974) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.135]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-0711004221; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:42:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:42:21 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock Message-ID: <33649B42.7F69443B.0000F0AF@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk In a message dated Wed, 10 Jul 2002 2:29:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, bill@childsfamily.com writes: > early-'90s Lookout! Records > bands Does this mean we have ANOTHER Op-Ivy fan on the list!?? Oh, I'M EXCITED. --Josh From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Wed Jul 10 22:08:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 05:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 2494 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 05:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 05:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 05:08:53 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.113.143d4d91 (18404) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <113.143d4d91.2a5e6cdf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:08:47 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/02 12:43:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MxPx2@aol.com writes: > > early-'90s Lookout! Records > > bands > > Does this mean we have ANOTHER Op-Ivy fan on the list!?? > > Oh, I'M EXCITED. > > --Josh > you say that as if there are people that DONT like operation ivy...and i just dont see how that could be possible. mike -can surely feel the freeze up coming [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 07:49:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 14:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 84079 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 14:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 14:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 14:49:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.159] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2002 14:49:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:49:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Misc: Someone asked me a Question Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1472 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Someone asked me a Question from my other Coaster Group, and I thought I would reprint it, since there hasn't been THAT much conversation about the ACE CoasterCon. She aked me if I had gone to the CoasterCon alone. Here was my responce. - Alan Colleen, Yes, I did go alone. And there were many that went alone also. However, this really nice couple from NoCal adopted me. Plus, I volunteered the first day at the Registration booth. This allowed me to meet people (with a purpose). Also, I needed a roommate, and I used their eCRIBB, and I got a great roommate. And I also, got in touch with another Guy from AZ, and we met-up in the Park. From there, it was meeting friends of their friends, eating with people I thought that looked interesting, and ERT is a great time to talk with people in line. (Plus, I've learned how not to be shy!) Plus being a single rider, if you don't really mind where you sit on the trains, you can get on coasters much faster! Again it's another way of meeting other single people (even kids - SIDE LINE: Speaking of kids, I thought that the ACE Kids {ages 8-18} were the best behaved kids I've seen in a really long time. I spent many hours with them too.). By the end of the Convention, I was hanging out with a group of people that I now call friends. The Convention experience was only so- so, but the People experience was really great, even though I'm not a Coaster "Geek" (you know what I mean?). ttfn...Alan From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Thu Jul 11 10:53:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 17:53:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 5606 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 17:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 17:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 17:53:22 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA556820 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:54:20 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256BF3.0061E3DA ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:49:13 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256BF3.0061E324.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:52:09 -0400 Subject: Re: More Roller Coaster Tycoon pinball pictures.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: cameron@buzzneon.com Man those pin-geeks are fast! Here are some close-up (but rather poor) pictures: http://www.3coinop.com/pins/rct.htm I don't know how interested you all are in this .. I will keep my posts way down unless more information is specifically requested! >>> I've always been a big fan of pinball, too (but please, give me a Bally's over a Stern or, heaven forbid, Williams, any day). So even though it's only barely related to this list, I appreciate hearing about this game. The graphics are great, but of course, I can't tell from the pictures how well it plays. I hope this goes into production so I can try it out somewhere. What's with the "ACE" logo on the upper left corner of the backglass? Is ACE "endorsing" this game like they endorsed K'nex's Screamin' Serpent? Jon Z (who, ever since he was a young boy, he played the silver ball) From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Thu Jul 11 11:23:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 18:23:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 78137 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 18:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 18:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 18:23:39 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA119558 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:24:36 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256BF3.0064A755 ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:19:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256BF3.0064A550.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:19:28 -0400 Subject: Re: SRM Trip Reports /Punk Rock Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: "shiveringtimbers2000" (my parents were punks before we were born). No, you're making me feel old. I have a horrible feeling that I'm not that much younger than your parents. >>> I'll give you old: I've been a fan of The Ramones ever since they played at my high school in 1976. Bought their first album at Korvette's. (eep!) Jon Z The First (who seems to be posting a bit too much off-topic) From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 11 12:06:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 19:06:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 65366 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 19:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 19:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 19:06:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 13684 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Jul 2002 18:11:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020711181142.13683.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: More Roller Coaster Tycoon pinball pictures.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:11:42 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <85256BF3.0061E324.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> from "Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com" at Jul 11, 2002 01:52:09 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon HI Jon, > I've always been a big fan of pinball, too (but please, give me a > Bally's over a Stern or, heaven forbid, Williams, any day). Trust me, the Sterns of today are nothing like the old Sega pinballs .. they are much closer to what Williams was doing in the 90s. They are getting better, too. Gary (Stern) is in a great position now, and his company is growing .. along with the pinball industry. Gary has some of Williams best people both working directly for him, or doing stuff out of house. Good times are ahead. > The graphics are great, but of course, I can't tell from the > pictures how well it plays. I hope this goes into production so I can > try it out somewhere. The artwork is even better in person. The machine on test (currently the only one built) does not have a real backglass 'translite' in there, and the playfield plastics are just mock-ups (the artowk is printed on paper with a colour printer, and the paper is glued to clear plastic). The production machines will be much nicer! > What's with the "ACE" logo on the upper left corner of the > backglass? Is ACE "endorsing" this game like they endorsed K'nex's > Screamin' Serpent? Yes, although no money changed hands in the deal (I have no idea if this is true of the K'Nex thing..). > Jon Z (who, ever since he was a young boy, he played the silver ball) From Soho down to brighton, you must have played them all?? I'll be back at Season Tickets tomorrow night (Friday July 12th) to play, maybe I'll see some Talkers there! Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Jul 11 16:53:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 11 Jul 2002 23:53:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 72731 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 23:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2002 23:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 23:53:43 -0000 Received: (cpmta 8780 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 16:53:43 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.126 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.114) with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 16:53:43 -0700 X-Sent: 11 Jul 2002 23:53:43 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.110] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: NEWS: North America- Experts ... X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: jay@karenandjay.com Message-Id: <20020711165343.29165.h012.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >>My gauge for attendance is the queue at the Cyclone, which with rare exceptions has been almost empty.<< > I'd say that's not a very good judge of attendance... from what I've heard, SFNE's attendance is up from last year.< Maybe it's not the *best* judge, but it seems to hold up when I go into the park. Because of the extreme heat we've had here lately, the waterpark has probably been doing better than the rest of the park. As far as attendance being up...I don't know. I can't imagine they're doing better than last year. My kids all work there (and have been for a few years) and they've been saying that the attendance this year has been only so-so. The park's certainly not empty, but it's not mobbed either. The times I've been there this season, some areas of the midway looked downright deserted. I see according to the latest Amusement Today that the Six Flags stocks have once again taken a beating. How long can this company go on losing money? Jay From rdcski30@sover.net Thu Jul 11 19:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34630 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 02:24:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rdcski30@sover.net Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 02:24:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 12 Jul 2002 02:24:53 -0000 X-Sender: rdcski30@sover.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 00:57:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 71567 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 00:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 00:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailgate2.sover.net) (209.198.87.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 00:57:57 -0000 Received: from rdcski30 (dialup3650.wnskvtao.sover.net [216.114.174.95]) by mailgate2.sover.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g6C0vtM19644 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01c2293f$2c0ca5a0$5fae72d8@rdcski30> To: References: <20020711165343.29165.h012.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: North America- Experts ... Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:58:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Bob Cornellier" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=86321734 X-Yahoo-Profile: narcosisbob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My gauge is driving up to the main parking lot and seeing busses to the horizon. Crowds have not been as bad as last year. We were there on Monday and the crowds were bearable, even at the water park. ----- Original Message ----- From: jay@karenandjay.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:53 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: North America- Experts ... >>My gauge for attendance is the queue at the Cyclone, which with rare exceptions has been almost empty.<< > I'd say that's not a very good judge of attendance... from what I've heard, SFNE's attendance is up from last year.< Maybe it's not the *best* judge, but it seems to hold up when I go into the park. Because of the extreme heat we've had here lately, the waterpark has probably been doing better than the rest of the park. As far as attendance being up...I don't know. I can't imagine they're doing better than last year. My kids all work there (and have been for a few years) and they've been saying that the attendance this year has been only so-so. The park's certainly not empty, but it's not mobbed either. The times I've been there this season, some areas of the midway looked downright deserted. I see according to the latest Amusement Today that the Six Flags stocks have once again taken a beating. How long can this company go on losing money? Jay Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com Thu Jul 11 20:04:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 03:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 76226 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 03:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 03:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 03:04:54 -0000 Received: from CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.41.1ff26a60 (3983) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41.1ff26a60.2a5fa14d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:04:45 EDT Subject: SFMM 50% off TIX To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77693908 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterkinglvnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone! I have 6 Tickets for a $19.00 Discount for entry to Six Flags Magic Mountain The first one to reply to this posting gets the 6 tix! Then personally E-mail me your adress and they will be sent to you in the mail. (cupon expires January 5th 2003) Reply promptly thanks John Tally Who Who [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@juno.com Thu Jul 11 22:33:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 05:33:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 56834 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 05:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 05:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 05:33:47 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWqaN2sYr8jLtQWkdQZoBMlc+GJawe9LnlA=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7HBYRXB; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:33:29 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:30:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMM 50% off TIX Message-ID: <20020711.223100.-1726357.1.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 I could use them if you can get them to me by the 20th. Thanks, this should be useful because my church group has a trip planned there, and they're going to use the group rate, but I think this is cheaper. If it isn't, I guess I don't need them. But, I'm pretty sure the group rate usually isn't that much cheaper. Thanks. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com PS. I have ton of TR's to write. Hopefully I'll be able to get to all of them soon. And I'll try to respond to all of your messages. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From eeyoredj@hotmail.com Fri Jul 12 06:38:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: eeyoredj@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 13:38:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 28320 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 13:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 13:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 13:38:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 13:38:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:38:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS: RCT Get-together Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020710145937.91935.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 77 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "eeyoredj" X-Originating-IP: 66.192.5.158 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=24200045 X-Yahoo-Profile: eeyoredj Will there be any events goin on in CA anytime soon? I'd love to go... Kari From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jul 12 08:04:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 15:04:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 425 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 15:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 15:04:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 15:04:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.186] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2002 15:04:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:04:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: Strates Shows Train Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 777 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For anyone who is a sucker for carnivals, trains or nostalgia (or all three, like myself) check out the following movie: http://66.197.138.20/carnival/strates.mpg It is a film of the Strates Shows train, which is the last carnival train in the US, traveling to their new spot in Iona, Michigan. They are the only show in the US with a Huss Top Spin (other shows use Fabbri or the older Soriani and Moser models) because the Huss Top Spin is too large to get an interstate highway permit. Sadly, the show has had a bad few years, which culminated in losing the North Carolina State Fair (one of the biggest in the country) to Amusements of America. I would like to say the train will be running for years to come, but I would be surprised if that happened. Adam From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Jul 12 08:56:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 15:56:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 13306 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 15:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 15:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 15:55:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15819 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Jul 2002 15:01:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020712150108.15818.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: [OT, but funny]: The REAL Raging Bull.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:01:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Some of you may have already seen this picture: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020710/161/1trmt.html Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From coasterdude18@juno.com Fri Jul 12 10:03:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 17:03:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 18655 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 17:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 17:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 17:03:35 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/XPshqamyAMTTRtJkn2abOuKnKq+/kbIw"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7JKFDGW; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:03:02 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:07:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: RCT Get-together Message-ID: <20020712.120708.-2038425.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,8-10 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Will there be any events goin on in CA anytime soon? I'd love to > go... Kari The short answer is "no." The Kennywood event has been a year in planning and was voted on by members. The location was chosen because we're not the largest group on the net, and we had to pick a fairly central location in order to draw as many members as possible. That said, I couldn't say what the future holds for further RCTalk events. There could be one in California some day...you never know. ;-) -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From Xcoaster@juno.com Fri Jul 12 16:06:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Jul 2002 23:06:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 69947 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 23:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2002 23:06:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 23:06:29 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWhklYBLbNmpMie/0T+0tm15+DP/9gxkA+Q=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7J764E3; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:05:31 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:00:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: Who's going to the Coaster Con? Message-ID: <20020712.160059.-1680311.2.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-36,47-48,50 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:28:23 -0500 "Adam Sandy" writes: > >I just remembered, the San Diego County Fair will be in town during > the > Con, so if you get bored >after the Con, swing by. There's gonna be > a > spinning mouse, looping coaster, Hi-Miler, a few > >smaller ones, a weird launched ride that's in the "is it a > coaster?" > category, > > Do you have a picture of the launched pseudo coaster in question? > As for > the fair, I wish I could have gone but we had too much on our plates > already > and since I was in town for only a few days I wanted to squeeze > everything > out of the parks I was visiting. For anyone wondering, the fair is > run by > Ray Cammack Shows. Most of the rides are theirs, but some (the KMG > Experience, the Reverchon mouse) are independents. > > >and a bunch of flats (talkin' to you Adam) > > Trust me, I am dying to get on an Experience and the Fabbri Drop > Tower. > But, they will have to wait until September when I (hopefully) get > to the > Texas State Fair. Thanks for the heads up, everyone should visit > RCS shows > at least once. They are one of the premier shows in the country > and > arguably one of the best in the world. > > Adam I went about a week ago and really enjoyed it. I'll post a TR sometime. The only things I would've like to have done but didn't were the Drop tower, Cliffhanger, Kamikaze, Hard Rock flat, and caterpillar flat (with the tube of cloth that comes over the ride). Apparently some rides are long gone, as the launched pseudo coaster was no where to be found, along with the looping coaster. Oh well. I do have two pics of the launched ride from last year taken by Ric Turner I could send to you. I have a lot to say about my trip that I'll save for the TR. But on an interesting side note, we drove by the fair again on Wed. on our way back from a filming at KBF, except now it was in Orange County. Brought back some memories. Ryan S. who has a bunch of new favorite flat rides and one that wasn't as good as he expected it to be. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jul 12 21:17:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 04:16:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 90902 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 04:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 04:16:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.121) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 04:17:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:17:01 -0700 Received: from 64.252.75.186 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:17:00 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New England Trip Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:17:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 04:17:01.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[22C091B0:01C22A24] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [64.252.75.186] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 >Going to AFLAC's and we're heading off to SFGrAdv, Astroland, SFNE, Lake >Compounce, Great Escape (to say hi to Chris k!) and SFDL on the way back to >CLEVeLAnD. Cool! When are you going to be at TGE? -Chris K- We're going to be there on Sunday Morning, BRITE and early!!! 10 am and shizill... see ya near the BOOMR! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From lu_pavlik@hotmail.com Sat Jul 13 09:49:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lu_pavlik@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 13 Jul 2002 16:49:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 58629 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2002 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2002 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2002 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:49:32 -0700 Received: from 208.22.189.93 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:49:32 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFWoA Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:49:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 16:49:32.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[43542AE0:01C22A8D] From: "Lucas Pavlik" X-Originating-IP: [208.22.189.93] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10705100 Hey all, I was wondering if anyone (maybe AFLAC?) could tell me how the crowds have been on SFWoA on wednesdays. I got 4 free tickets and plan on going this coming wednesday. The weather is supposed to be beautiful (seeing how that'll probably bring more people. Any idea would be welcomed so I can plan better. This is my first trip back there this year so Im looking forward to it. -Lucas _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From regnal@adelphia.net Sat Jul 13 17:20:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: regnal@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 00:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 15639 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 00:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 00:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net) (64.8.50.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 00:20:57 -0000 Received: from dad ([24.53.183.48]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with SMTP id GZ7QAW02.0CL for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: <004601c22acc$5e80f5c0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFWoA Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:21:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Mary Pat Langer" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65909454 X-Yahoo-Profile: ltapyram We were there on Wed June 12 and Thurs June 13 and lines were short....walk on for most when we first got there and 20-30 minute wait later in the day. The only exception was X-Flight which was 45-60 minutes all day....have fun ! Mary Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucas Pavlik" To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFWoA > Hey all, I was wondering if anyone (maybe AFLAC?) could tell me how the > crowds have been on SFWoA on wednesdays. I got 4 free tickets and plan on > going this coming wednesday. The weather is supposed to be beautiful > (seeing how that'll probably bring more people. Any idea would be welcomed > so I can plan better. This is my first trip back there this year so Im > looking forward to it. > > -Lucas > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From lu_pavlik@hotmail.com Sat Jul 13 18:55:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lu_pavlik@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 01:55:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 58799 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 01:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 01:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.138) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 01:55:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:55:27 -0700 Received: from 63.169.101.250 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:55:26 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFWoA Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:55:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 01:55:27.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[86892580:01C22AD9] From: "Lucas Pavlik" X-Originating-IP: [63.169.101.250] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10705100 >We were there on Wed June 12 and Thurs June 13 and lines were short....walk >on for most when we first got there and 20-30 minute wait later in the day. >The only exception was X-Flight which was 45-60 minutes all day....have fun >! > >Mary Pat Hey thanks a lot Mary, thats nice to know. Didnt want to waste most my day in line for the coasters when I can only ink a few visits to certain parks a year. Guess I'll have to hit up X-Flight first, well Im finally happy to be able to get to a park. -Lucas _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Sat Jul 13 22:12:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 05:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 57866 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 05:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 05:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.147) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 05:12:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:12:22 -0700 Received: from 24.49.140.221 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:12:21 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New England Trip Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:12:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 05:12:22.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[08C5F3A0:01C22AF5] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.140.221] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >We're going to be there on Sunday Morning, BRITE and early!!! 10 am and >shizill... > >see ya near the BOOMR! Cool! I'll be in the park somewhere... if you can't find me, ask one of the ride operators to have me paged. Have fun! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com Sat Jul 13 23:54:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 06:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 76402 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 06:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 06:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 06:54:56 -0000 Received: from CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 9.85.1e2ee613 (26120) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85.1e2ee613.2a627a3c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:54:52 EDT Subject: Man commits suicide at Stratosphere To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77693908 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterkinglvnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Earlier tonight around 6:00 P.M. (PST) a man 30-35 years old jumped from the outdoor observation deck of the Stratosphere Tower. The outdor observation deck is on the 110th floor of the tower about 935ft above the ground. This was believed to been suicide. I dont know what he was thinking to jump from that high up. The stratosphere tower is 1,149 ft tall. or 136 stories to the very top of the spire. The outdoor observation deck is on the 110th floor. the same height of the outdoor observation deck once on the world trade center. Just to size up how far the fall was. Parts of the strip under the tower were closed for about 2 hours but the tower stayed open. The tower is now back at normal operation. Can You Hear Me Now? Good. Tally Who Who [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blinkjoeboy@aol.com Sun Jul 14 07:31:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: BLiNkjOebOy@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 14:31:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 42475 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 14:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 14:31:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 14:31:51 -0000 Received: from BLiNkjOebOy@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.6.2bd9c166 (30952) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6.2bd9c166.2a62e553@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:31:47 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Man commits suicide at Stratosphere To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: blinkjoeboy@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=41789028 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterfan862002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is the stratosphere tower located? Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7usa@hotmail.com Sun Jul 14 09:26:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7usa@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 16:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 31684 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 16:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 16:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (207.68.164.82) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 16:26:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:26:52 -0700 To: References: <6.2bd9c166.2a62e553@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Man commits suicide at Stratosphere Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:25:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7USA \( Joe \)" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 16:26:52.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[432D7E10:01C22B53] From: "THUNDER7USA \( Joe \)" X-Originating-IP: [67.226.242.96] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117658182 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7usa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Las Vegas, NV ----- Original Message ----- From: blinkjoeboy@aol.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Man commits suicide at Stratosphere Where is the stratosphere tower located? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jul 14 10:28:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 17:28:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 86440 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 17:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 17:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 17:28:23 -0000 Received: (cpmta 15122 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 10:28:23 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.128 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.119) with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 10:28:23 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Jul 2002 17:28:23 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.130] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: TR: Mountain Park Day X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: jay@karenandjay.com Message-Id: <20020714102823.14095.h014.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This is a rather unorthodox trip report, but I thought some of you might find it of interest. Saturday July 13 was Mountain Park day at the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round. As many of you know, that carousel is the only successful, self-sufficient stand-alone carousel in the country. It was moved (and me along with it) after Mountain Park closed in 1987. The ride re-opened downtown at the city's Heritage State Park in a brand-new beautiful pavilion in 1993. It was purchased with donations and is now owned by The Friends of the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round, a non-profit group. I ran the ride at Mountain Park starting in 1980, and I was the head of operation and maintenance for the ride at Heritage Park in its first three years. I still help out from time to time. I designed a Mountain Park magnet for them, which came out quite nice if I do say so myself! For this event, I also built re-creations of three midway games: a ring toss, a coin pitch and the "Grocery Game," which was the biggest revenue producer of all the games at Mountain Park. The concept was simple; it was a roulette. You put a dime on a number and the winner received a choice of groceries. For our version, I built a roulette wheel that sported (at Karen's suggestion) the names of the major rides at the park. We offered small bags of chips, cookies, snacks or a pair of sunglasses. For the two other games, the winner received a free ride on the merry-go-round. We also ran Pippo's Ring Game, which I had adapted years ago from the original carousel ring game. I was quite happy that all the games proved popular. Mike Smallwood arrived early with two of his beautifully restored go-carts that used to run at the park. I talked with him for a while about his restoration job. The carts were made by hand from hammered steel pieces that were bonded with lead. He is a mechanic and had stripped the carts down to their bare components and basically re-built them from the ground up. Later in the day, he gave rides around the parking lot. Man, those things move fast! I set up the games along the walkway between the merry-go-round and the Visitor's Center. People began arriving at 10 am. WGBY-TV, the local public TV station that produced the short Mountain Park Memories documentary, was set up to broadcast live on the hour and half-hour. They were also taping interviews with anyone who wanted to recount their memories of the park. Bob Cornellier was there with his "savewhalompark.com" t-shirt on. He brought his daughters who had fun playing the games. He was snapping lots of pictures of the event. A "family reunion" was planned by some of the park's former employees, and many of them began arriving early. I best remembered Ray, who used to run the baseball game at the park, for taking on Victor the Rasslin' Bear. The bear stood about seven feet tall; Ray tops off at around four feet. It was quite an enjoyable match. Many of the former employees had worked at the park long before I started, and I recognized very few. Some had names that sounded familiar, but that was about it. There were many photo displays set up. There was face-painting out on the lawn. Vendors were serving hog dogs and ice cream. Even though I'm vegetarian, I love the smell of roasting sausages with peppers. The smell takes me back to my childhood walking around local fairs. WGBY played their documentary on a big screen in the Visitor's Center. Walter "Killer" Kowalski, a former pro wrestler who was a staple at the park for nearly a decade, came to sign autographs. Larry Chesky, who with his band for 34 years played polkas every Sunday at the park, arrived and sat in the shade listening to the polkas of The Music Masters, fronted by Eddie Chraplak who used to play in Chesky's band. Steve Bailey, a ballroom dance instructor, gave demonstrations in the merry-go-round. He danced with Karen's mom and my sister (who brought along my aunt who worked at the arcade for almost twenty years and who helped get my dad a job running rides after he retired). One of the big influences in my life, my former boss Roger Fortin, was there with his wife and daughter. He's always been a straight-talking, hard-working, sharp-as-a-tack supervisor who almost single-handedly maintained Mountain Park for forty years. There were rumors that the park's owner, Jay Collins, was going to show up. Around mid-afternoon he arrived and was the center of attention. He was almost instantly surrounded by people who wanted to shake his hand and thank him and say hello. It says a lot about Jay that people care so much about him. And it also says a lot about the amusement industry of a different era. Jay is a true gentleman and a wonderful raconteur. He is a savvy businessman, but didn't seem to run Mountain Park to make tons of money. He seemed to run it for the people of Holyoke. He is a "people person" who values good relationships. Many of the business relationships that he built at the park were also personal. I don't see that too often at "modern" parks. It wasn't a form of nepotism. He'd look you in the eye and shake your hand, and judge a lot about a your character that way. He would give everyone a chance to prove themselves. He's patient, level-headed. And for all the years I worked at the park, I would see him on the midway all the time watching the crowds and talking with people. He had the amusement business in his blood. His father owned the park before him. And that set the example that I wanted to follow. I really wanted to work to please Jay and Roger and see the park continue. They're just such great guys. When I was watchman at the park for the six years after it closed, Jay would stop by my station under the merry-go-round and we'd shoot the breeze for hours. He loved talking about sports, which I knew next to nothing about. He and Roger would go together to the World Series every year. They were at the series in San Francisco during the huge earthquake there in '88. All right...I'm starting to get maudlin. At any rate, the day was a success for everyone involved. At the end of it all, the "family reunion" organizers (which I wasn't a part of) presented Jay with a plaque and a chunk of wood from the old Mountain Flyer. They also showed a video they made with still images from the park (which they were selling for $10 along with "family reunion" t-shirts). So the day was a nice closure for me, a sort of wrapping-up of a big part of my life. It's not quite over yet, though -- in cooperation with WGBY, I'm beginning work on a book about the park to go along with their documentary. I'm excited that I'll be able to go into much more historical detail. The park will never leave me, but I feel a little better knowing that I'm not the only one to have valued such a wonderful place. Jay From CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com Sun Jul 14 11:52:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 18:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 15996 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 18:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 18:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 18:52:31 -0000 Received: from CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 4.8.2937de3f (4585) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8.2937de3f.2a63226b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:52:27 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Man commits suicide at Stratosphere To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: CoasterKingLVNV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77693908 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterkinglvnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/02 9:27:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, thunder7usa@hotmail.com writes: > Las Vegas, NV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: blinkjoeboy@aol.com > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Man commits suicide at Stratosphere > > > Where is the stratosphere tower located? > > Joe > The main reason i send this post is because this is a main attraction in Las Vgeas and the 2 highest thrill rides are on top of this building. The big shot (S&S Space Shot) and the High Roller (the worlds highest rollercoaster) Can You Hear Me Now? Good. Tally Who Who [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Jul 14 14:58:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 14 Jul 2002 21:58:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 77103 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2002 21:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2002 21:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2002 21:58:19 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.135]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:56:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c22b81$5cfaa1a0$87b1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: double ferris wheel?? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:56:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: My dad and I were talking last night, and we both mentioned how it has been many years since we've seen a double ferris wheel at a county/state fair. Does anyone on this list (maybe Adam, our resident flat-ride expert) remember this ride? It looked kind of like a Zipper, with a rotating vertical beam on a center fulcrum.......but on either end of this beam there were two separate ferris wheels, one larger than the other. Below is my lame attempt at a diagram: 0=====o | | | | | We were just wondering if this ride still existed anywhere? In other news......I am off to visit SFGrAm tomorrow morning for the first time in 8 years!!! I will be at the park tomorrow and Tuesday. Email me off-list tonight if anyone else will be there and wants to meet up. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker.......who is still debating whether or not to attend our RCT event in 2 weeks....if I do show up, I will prob. ride the bus and need a ride from someone?.....anyone?.....anyone?.....Buehler? Buehler?) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bill@childsfamily.com Sun Jul 14 17:00:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 00:00:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 12523 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 00:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 00:00:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 00:00:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.128] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 00:00:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:00:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: TR: Lake Compounce Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5033 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 138.88.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm This will be a quick one, as I'm in the middle of packing up the house for moving into our new house. I rate 1-5, with each coaster considered within its genre -- hypers v. hypers, juniors v. juniors, etc. I also give a "*" next to rides that are particularly special for whatever reason -- sometimes it's because of placement, sometimes because I had special fun for an unrelated reason, etc. Friday after traveling to New Haven for work, I took an afternoon to drive up to Lake Compounce. I got to Southington (about 3 miles from the park) at around 1 and checked into my dump, I mean hotel room, at the Travelodge. It had the appeal of being relatively cheap and offering $20 passes to LC. That's about the extent of its appeal -- the walls were paper-thin and there were what seemed to be enthusiastic parties on either side. Enough of that. I checked in, got out of my suit, and drove to LC, admiring ESPN's satellite dishes (the channel's headquarters is essentially across the street from the park). I had arranged to meet our very own Jay Ducharme at the park at 1:30, but unfortunately didn't get into the park until 1:45. We did meet up later, however. After hovering around the gates hoping to see him and having some Potato Patch fries (good, but a bit overrated), I thought I'd give the Wildcat (Schmeck 1927, rebuilt by Dinn in 1986) a quick shot. It is photogenically in the center of the midway and is a great-looking coaster. It's also a lot of fun to ride. It's glass-smooth, provides some moments of airtime, and is an interesting and occasionally surprising layout. Nothing shocking, but a solid fun coaster. Looks like the park must have gotten rid of a second train at some point -- can see where it would be, but it's empty. Rating: oh, let's say a 4. After that quick ride, I went over to ride my primary target: Boulder Dash (CCI 2000 out and back). All I can say is, folks, there's a new sherriff in town. I've gone over my list, and I can't come up with a coaster I like better than Boulder Dash. I have always wanted someone to really do a good job of using a mountainside with a coaster, and CCI really did it. This is simply a downright amazing ride from start to finish. The lift hill is stunning, the slow ride around to the top of the drop is terrific, and the actual first drop is incredible. And it doesn't let up for one moment through the end of the ride. You get halfway down the "out" and think it's sure to be turning around to head back to the station at any moment -- and there's another drop, and a double-up, and, and, and...it just keeps going, but never gets boring. As Jay pointed out, the ride actually keeps getting higher and higher as it heads along the side of the mountain. And then the diving curve turnaround just opens up a wild return trip. The whole ride is filled with air and surprises and incredible speed, with great visuals from trees and boulders alongside the track. I couldn't stop giggling. All but one ride was front-seat, and that's absolutely the place to be. Rating: 5*. Took a quick ride on Zoomerang (Vekoma boomerang, 1997). It is what it is. Rating: 3. The park's Sky Ride is astounding. It's a full half-hour up over the mountain and into the ravine beyond. Completely silent but for forest sounds, incredibly steep (which you especially notice on the return trip), it's a great break in the trip. As I mentioned, I met Jay and his friend Dave midway through the day. I rode BD with Jay once and then we rode the rapids ride all together. It's a small-footprint ride but a lot of fun -- plenty wet without cheap tricks to get you wet. Later, after they took off, I also rode the old Arrow flume, which was short but pretty fun. I looked at, but did not ride, the carousel which looks beautiful (though the organ was down). Park employees were great and the food was...well, it was okay. Could certainly be better, though the pizza we got was solid. Waits were minimal (maximum of half-hour for a front-seat ride on BD) and the rides were uniformly well-maintained. I stopped by Guest Relations to compliment them on the park and was behind a guy who was upset that there weren't enough rides for his daughter (probably six years old). He also wanted the park to let him bring her on the coasters "because he'd be with her to be sure she was safe," despite the fact that she was probably a full foot less than the height restriction. What an ass. He was really trying to physically intimidate the very pleasant woman at guest relations, and she did a heck of a job handling him. She seemed pleased to have a compliment on that, and on the park. Kennywood is doing a great job of putting this park together. Having learned some of its history from Jay, I really appreciate what they've done. Sorry the TR is a little disorganized. Wanted to get out something about how much I liked this park, but don't have time to do a great one. -B From MxPx2@aol.com Sun Jul 14 19:07:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 02:07:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 48234 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:07:01 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 3.d5.1a289c4b (26118) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:06:56 EDT Subject: TR : Waldameer. Sat July 13 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After a late night at Cedar Point on Friday, which BTW was totally EMPTY, I woke up at about 10:00 on Saturday morning and drove to Montrose (right across from my workplace) to meet Chris (Clark, not K) at his hotel for our day of parks. We got kind of a late start, but we made it to Waldameer around 1:45 or so. (the park opens at1, so not a huge deal) The first thing we did was take a "picture-taking" tour around the park while looking for Chris' friends. We finally found them while waiting in the [short] line for the comet. Comet : 1951 Schmeck/PTC family coaster with PTC Junior trains +5 Some slight pops of floaty-air on the ride's many bunny hops, but nothing spectacular. I got a few on-ride photos that I will post shortly. Gets a 5 for being good, fun, but still a very average ride. My vote for the best ride with the PTC junior trains goes to "Teddy Bear" at Strickers. After begging to ride the Ravine Flyer 3 and getting shot down, twice...we decided to move on to the dark rides. Pirate's Cove: a 1972 Bill Tracey Walk-through (one of only 2 known Bill Tracey Walk-Throughs) gets major points from me for the pirate (attendant) outside. his jacket had a nice play on words reading 'Waldamee "R"' I took a few pictures inside this ride (get the trend here?) this park doesn't care about photos on ANY of their rides, which I've come to find to be commonplace at small parks. The pictures came out well and once again, I will post them later. This ride gets a 7 as far as old-time "un-manned" walk-throughs go. The tilted floors, air jets and all the old tricks are really impressive. +7 Whacky Shack : Bill Tracey ride-through +7 "Don't throw things at me, or you will lose your wristband...Maybe with your arm still attached..muwahaha" OK, so I got a little sick of hearing that for the 20 minutes we stood in line (VERY popular ride) But, the ride does get a 7. it was a very fun ride, and it even had the "dip" in the middle. The only gravity powered part of the ride, unlike another dark ride I rode later in the day. (TR later) all I can say is, if you like Dark Rides, you will love Waldameer. The rides don't compare to Knoebels in any way, but they are great. We took a spin on the Wipeout, Sky Ride, Carousel and considered the Log flume. and then we hit up the uneventful train and left for Erieview. My overall impressions of the park : +7 I really wish I had more time here, but I will be spending a full day sometime this summer. It is such a relaxing atmosphere, and it is very well taken care of. It is actually bigger than I thought it would be (surprise!...so was LeSourdsville) Not to mention free parking and $14 POP all day admission. I really can't wait to get back. Thanks for reading, and look for my other 2 TRs soon. --Josh "Tiffany (now, not from the 80's) is on TV right now and I'm loving it" Wozny [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jul 14 19:24:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 02:24:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 512 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 02:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 02:24:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp012.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:24:07 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:24:07 -0000 To: Subject: RE: TR: Mountain Park Day Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:21:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020714102823.14095.h014.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I do not have much to comment on since, as Jay said, the subject matter was a little unorthodox. Thanks for sharing, though. For anyone passing through, especially those going to SFNE or heading to Canobie or Funtown from NJ, NY or CT, I would advise talking a few minutes and paying a visit to the Mountain Park carousel. It is a beautiful ride and it does show that people, even those that did not attend a park, will visit a well-maintained carousel or ride. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jul 14 19:33:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 15018 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp015.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:33:03 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:33:02 -0000 To: Subject: RE: double ferris wheel?? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:30:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c22b81$5cfaa1a0$87b1220c@lorenzer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >My dad and I were talking last night, and we both mentioned how it has been many years since >we've seen a double ferris wheel at a county/state fair. Does anyone on this list (maybe Adam, >our resident flat-ride expert) remember this ride? It looked kind of like a Zipper, with a >rotating vertical beam on a center fulcrum.......but on either end of this beam there were two >separate ferris wheels, one larger than the other. Below is my lame attempt at a diagram: Ahh, the Sky Wheel. For anyone interested (assuming I got the correct ride) this was first done by Allan Herschell then Chance built them after they acquired the Herschell line in the early 70's. There are some pics at: http://community.webshots.com/album/9086423rvQNJjxASN I do not know which shows still have them (I think around ten) and off the top of my head I cannot tell you which shows have them (I think Wade Shows still does). Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jul 14 19:38:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 02:38:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 11022 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp012.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:38:00 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:38:00 -0000 To: Subject: RE: TR: Lake Compounce Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:35:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >After that quick ride, I went over to ride my primary target: Boulder >Dash (CCI 2000 out and back). All I can say is, folks, there's a new >sherriff in town. I think the thing that surprised me most about Boulder Dash was the unique airtime. This was one of the few rides that I experienced airtime that was part vertical and part lateral. >The park's Sky Ride is astounding. It's a full half-hour up over the >mountain and into the ravine beyond. Completely silent but for >forest sounds, incredibly steep (which you especially notice on the >return trip), it's a great break in the trip. That was sadly closed on both of my visits :(. >Later, after they took off, I >also rode the old Arrow flume, which was short but pretty fun. I >looked at, but did not ride, the carousel which looks beautiful >(though the organ was down). I really enjoyed this flume. On our trip to California Mark called it a junior version of Log Jammer at Magic Mountain because of the way it uses the terrain. Did you get to ride the Wave Swinger or Ghost Hunt? The WS is the best-run Zierer version I have been on and the Ghost Hunt is plain ole fun. Thanks for the TR, Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From bill@childsfamily.com Sun Jul 14 19:42:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 02:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 85524 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 02:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 02:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 02:42:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 02:42:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:42:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Lake Compounce Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 986 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 138.88.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "Adam Sandy" wrote: > I think the thing that surprised me most about Boulder Dash was the unique > airtime. This was one of the few rides that I experienced airtime that was > part vertical and part lateral. That's a good description, and a fact I hadn't specifically thought about. Rather than just laterals slamming you into the side of the car, you're heading up at the same time. The thing that was most amazing to me though was how well it maintained its speed, or at least its perceived speed. > > Did you get to ride the Wave Swinger or Ghost Hunt? The WS is the best- run > Zierer version I have been on and the Ghost Hunt is plain ole fun. Nope. Ghost Hunt had a long line (45 min+) for the time I had available, and I didn't even notice the Wave Swinger, to be honest. Pretty focused on the coasters, though I sure would have liked to try Ghost Hunt. I still haven't been on one of the Sally interactives. -B From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sun Jul 14 22:21:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 05:21:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 14182 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 05:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 05:21:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 05:21:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 05:21:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:21:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lake Compounce (Did you see us?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tommytheduck" X-Originating-IP: 68.70.195.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck That's funny, Jeremy D. and I were there Saturday also! Arrived at 5pm (just in time for the $15 admission price!) And we spent most of the time on Boulder Dash. Maybe you saw us... we were the ones who kept yelling at the people who constantly were pushing their way to the front of BD's line rather than wait their turn. Oh wait, that wouldn't really narrow it down now, would it? Considering that it happened almost every time we were in line. Look for Jeremy's TR in the near future. AFLAC! Brian F. P.S. I didn't happen to call your name on the skyride did I? and pronounce it just right? From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jul 14 22:37:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 05:37:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 26492 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 05:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 05:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out018.verizon.net) (206.46.170.96) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 05:37:02 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020715053701.OGZG9817.out018.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3D325F7D.8050807@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:37:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: double ferris wheel?? References: X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Sandy wrote: >>My dad and I were talking last night, and we both mentioned how it has been >> >many years since > >>we've seen a double ferris wheel at a county/state fair. Does anyone on >> >this list (maybe Adam, >our resident flat-ride expert) remember this ride? > > > >Ahh, the Sky Wheel. For anyone interested (assuming I got the correct ride) >this was first done by Allan Herschell then Chance built them after they >acquired the Herschell line in the early 70's. There are some pics at: >http://community.webshots.com/album/9086423rvQNJjxASN > >I do not know which shows still have them (I think around ten) and off the >top of my head I cannot tell you which shows have them (I think Wade Shows >still does). > Oh yeah I remember that ride!!!! Used to ride it all the time at the California State Fair growing up. My dad hated it cause he was afraid of heights and you definately felt like you were pretty high up and in a fairly precarious position on it. Also got some great stomach-loss sensations. Quite the fun little ride. keep on ridin' George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Jul 15 00:28:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 07:28:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 83636 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 07:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 07:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 07:28:30 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id CAA23483; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:28:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:28:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200207150728.CAA23483@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] double ferris wheel?? X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 216.145.204.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 I remember the "Sky Wheel" very well. It was my first big ride that I ever rode. A company called "Reid's Spectacular" would visit our local shopping center every summer when I was in junior high school (middle school today). I have not seen one in years (possibly 20 years?). I seem to remember "Royal American Shows" having a double-double version (two Sky Wheels side by side) giving twice the ride capacity with only two additional trailers. For those that do not remember this ride, it was as Jon described, a pair of small ferris wheels mounted on the ends of a long arm. Here is a picture fron the net: "http://www.deggeller.com/mid/n-s2/pages/sky-wheel.htm" I also found a web site that shows a picture taken at the "State Fair of Oklahoma" that shows one. The picture has a 2000 copyright date on it. The LasVegas city web site also lists one as operating at the "Tower Shops". Dave Rounds > Hi all: > > My dad and I were talking last night, and we both mentioned how it has been many years since we've seen a double ferris wheel at a county/state fair. Does anyone on this list (maybe Adam, our resident flat-ride expert) remember this ride? It looked kind of like a Zipper, with a rotating vertical beam on a center fulcrum.......but on either end of this beam there were two separate ferris wheels, one larger than the other. > Jon Z From jzerkel@effingham.net Mon Jul 15 01:49:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 08:49:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 56232 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 08:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 08:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 08:49:39 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.73]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c22bdc$5d0c93a0$49b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <3D325F7D.8050807@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: double ferris wheel?? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:48:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Burnash" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: double ferris wheel?? > > > Adam Sandy wrote: > > >>My dad and I were talking last night, and we both mentioned how it has been > >> > >many years since > > > >>we've seen a double ferris wheel at a county/state fair. Does anyone on > >> > >this list (maybe Adam, >our resident flat-ride expert) remember this ride? > > > > > > > >Ahh, the Sky Wheel. For anyone interested (assuming I got the correct ride) > >this was first done by Allan Herschell then Chance built them after they > >acquired the Herschell line in the early 70's. There are some pics at: > >http://community.webshots.com/album/9086423rvQNJjxASN > > > >I do not know which shows still have them (I think around ten) and off the > >top of my head I cannot tell you which shows have them (I think Wade Shows > >still does). > > > Oh yeah I remember that ride!!!! Used to ride it all the time at the > California State Fair growing up. My dad hated it cause he was afraid > of heights and you definately felt like you were pretty high up and in a > fairly precarious position on it. Also got some great stomach-loss > sensations. Quite the fun little ride. > > keep on ridin' > George Thanks, Adam and everyone! (and yes....that is definetely the ride I was thinking of!) The carnivals that used to come to both our local county fair, and the Illinois State Fair always used to have the Skywheel. Buried somewhere in my parents' photo archives is a picture of me (at about 8 or 10 yrs. of age) riding the Skywheel with my brother and looking terrified. I defintely agree w/ George about the great stomach-loss sensations; especially when the wheel you were riding in was coming "over-from-the-top" and you could see NOTHING below you. Jon Z Zerkel, not Zucker From bill@childsfamily.com Mon Jul 15 03:35:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 10:35:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 85081 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 10:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 10:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 10:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2002 10:35:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:35:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Lake Compounce (Did you see us?) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 138.88.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "tommytheduck" wrote: > That's funny, Jeremy D. and I were there Saturday also! Arrived at > 5pm (just in time for the $15 admission price!) And we spent most of > the time on Boulder Dash. Maybe you saw us... we were the ones who > kept yelling at the people who constantly were pushing their way to > the front of BD's line rather than wait their turn. Oh wait, that > wouldn't really narrow it down now, would it? Considering that it > happened almost every time we were in line. If this was to me, I was actually there on Friday. I'd heard y'all were coming on Saturday but couldn't switch my schedule around to make that work. -B From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Jul 15 09:06:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 16:06:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 18489 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 16:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 16:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.139) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 16:06:23 -0000 Received: (cpmta 14518 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 09:06:22 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.116 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.139) with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 09:06:22 -0700 X-Sent: 15 Jul 2002 16:06:22 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: TR: Lake Compounce X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:06:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: jay@karenandjay.com Message-Id: <20020715090622.11308.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I didn't even notice the Wave Swinger, to be honest. < LOL! We walked right by it a few times. It dominates the northeast midway. But when you're there for the first time, there *is* an awful lot to look at, especially the wonderful landscaping everywhere. The large rear end of Ghost Hunt is right next to it (with the "Fried Bats"). And Adam's right -- that thing cranks! Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Jul 15 09:11:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 16:11:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 33299 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 16:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 16:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 16:11:50 -0000 Received: (cpmta 15430 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 09:11:49 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.117 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.139) with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 09:11:49 -0700 X-Sent: 15 Jul 2002 16:11:49 GMT Received: from [134.241.135.203] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: TR: Mountain Park Day X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:11:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: jay@karenandjay.com Message-Id: <20020715091149.6791.h003.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >It is a beautiful ride and it does show that people, even those that did not attend a park, will visit a well-maintained carousel or ride.< Thanks for the endorsement, Adam! When I was chair of the National Carousel Association's Technical Conference, the Holyoke Merry-Go-Round was the host. It was heartening to hear how impressed people like Charles Jacques and Charlie Walker were with the ride and building. It's one of the few carousels I know of that uses multi-colored light bulbs throughout, and that really helps the ride "pop." It's always fun to watch children enter the building; their eyes widen and their jaw hits the floor. And that Artizan Band Organ has such a sweet sound.... Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 15 09:25:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 16:25:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 62788 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 16:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 16:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 16:25:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 21897 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Jul 2002 15:30:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020715153011.21896.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: More RCT Pinball pictures.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:30:10 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi there .. Some more (slightly less poor!) pictures: http://www.pinball.nu/rollercoastertycoon/ Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From lu_pavlik@hotmail.com Mon Jul 15 12:38:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lu_pavlik@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 19:38:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 60856 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 19:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 19:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (209.185.241.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 19:38:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:33 -0700 Received: from 208.22.189.235 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:38:33 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] double ferris wheel?? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:38:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 19:38:33.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[34B62190:01C22C37] From: "Lucas Pavlik" X-Originating-IP: [208.22.189.235] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10705100 >My dad and I were talking last night, and we both mentioned how it has been >many years since we've seen a double ferris wheel at a county/state fair. >Does anyone on this list (maybe Adam, our resident flat-ride expert) >remember this ride? It looked kind of like a Zipper, with a rotating >vertical beam on a center fulcrum.......but on either end of this beam >there were two separate ferris wheels, one larger than the other. Below >is my lame attempt at a diagram: > > >0=====o > | > | > | > | > | > >We were just wondering if this ride still existed anywhere? > I somewhat remember this ride at the Crawford County Fair (largest non-state agricultural fair in PA -- yee haw) However it was a few years ago, I believe the last time it was here was at LEAST 2 years ago, but probably more. They were quite the interesting looking ride. -Lucas _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 12:53:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 19:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 92761 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 19:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 19:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40018.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 19:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020715195338.39078.qmail@web40018.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40018.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:53:38 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: double ferris wheel?? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I looked through a list of shows over at Matt’s Carnival Warehouse (http://www.carnivalwarehouse.com) and they listed the following shows as having Sky Wheels. However, this list is a little dated so it may not be 100% accurate with reference to the double wheels. Arboro Shows (Reithoffer’s Green Unit)- Kingston, PA Benner’s Amusements- Middleburg, PA Evans United Shows- Plattsburg, MO Merrian’s Midway Shows- Tempe, AZ Midwest Midways- Chicago Heights, IL Poor Jack Amusements- Milton, IN Powers Great American Midways- Burgaw, NC Pride of Texas Shows- Beeville, TX Pugh Shows (now defunct, I do not know if the sky wheel was sold at auction) Smokey’s Greater Shows Sarasota, FL Strates Shows- Orlando, FL Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 14:26:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 21:26:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 68496 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 21:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 21:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 21:26:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020715212636.2380.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:26:36 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Rye Playland reworks old attractions To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy July 15, 2002 New Attractions Open At Playland, Rye, N.Y. Two classic amusement park attractions and two new, high-tech family rides have opened at Playland in Rye, N.Y. this season. The Old Mill, a classic 1929 Frederick A. Church tunnel of love water ride, is one of seven rides in the park designated as a National Historic Landmark. It has been totally refurbished over the past year and a half and today offers a distinctly different ride. The 1,200-foot long boat ride in the dark has a new storyline and new animated characters. Sally Industries, Jacksonville, Fla., was contracted to create animatronic characters and turn the old attraction, in need of major infrastructure repairs and modernization, into a viable, family attraction. "We had to be careful to keep the character of the ride while updating the storyline and adding the new ride technology," said Peter Tartaglia. He pointed out that the facade of the Old Mill building remains similar to the original, with the addition of colorful gnomes and a map of what's inside. Officials were careful not to do anything that would jeopardize the National Landmark status of the attraction. The new storyline is true to the ride's original story, with a modern spin of technology and fun. The ride takes patrons through Playland Waterworks and Crystal Mine, which are operated by a band of friendly animatronic gnomes. During the journey, the boat gets caught in a water explosion and floats past swinging logs, bountiful water cannons, and a collapsing dam. Riders also encounter a fierce dragon that lives under the park's historic Dragon Coaster. To accomplish the restoration, portions of the adjacent Dragon coaster's structural supports had to be integrated in the Old Mill's new design. The other classic that has been re-opened is the traditional darkride, Zombie Castle. It was built by the R.E. Chambers company, which took over from Travers Engineering, the creators of this type of darkride. It has new scares and storyline, as well as new "state-of-the-art" animatronics and sound effects. The original cars have been refurbished to keep the flow and feel of the old ride. The 40-year-old ride was originally named Laff in the Dark and was purchased by the Trahanas Family, one of the park's ride concessionaires, in the early 1960s. Distortions Unlimited Corp. of Colorado was contracted to upgrade the attraction. The company created the new tour guide for the attraction, Max Rotten, an animatronic zombie that combines humor with the macabre. The ride takes guest through a graveyard where Max's zombie friends come alive, through a castle where more of Max's vampire and ghoul friends live, and finally through a torture chamber that contains a guillotine, electric chair, strobe lights and plenty of zombies. In 2001, The Dark Ride and Fun House Historical Society awarded the Zombie Castle and the Trahanas Family with its classic Dark Ride Status Award. That's the group's highest award and was given for keeping this Laff in the Dark-type ride operational through the years by adding new elements while retaining its traditional charm. Two new family rides have also been added this season. A Zamperla Kite Flyer has joined the park's ride arsenal, in a revenue sharing plan with Zamperla. The Sky Skater, a teeter-totter-style ride from Interactive Rides, has also been installed. Written by: Tim O'Brien ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 15 14:28:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 15 Jul 2002 21:28:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 70919 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 21:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2002 21:28:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2002 21:28:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20020715212828.57750.qmail@web40015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:28:28 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Bushkill turns 100 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020715212636.2380.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy July 15, 2002 Bushkill Turns 100; Offers Nostalgia On July 3, Bushkill Park officially turned 100 years old, only the 24th park in the United States to hit that milestone. "Operating on such a modest budget, we take great pride in being able to cross this mark when so many parks that have existed in history never made it this far," said Neal Fehnel, co-owner with Sammy Baurkot of the Easton, Pa., facility. The park was purchased by Fehnel and his original partner, Bill Hogan, in 1990, probably saving it, according to Fehnel. "It [the park] was way beyond tired when we bought it," he told AB. "But little by little, we were able to bring it back." Jim Futrell, park historian and author of the new Amusement Parks of Pennsylvania book, notes that Bushkill Park is "an exquisite example of what an amusement park used to be. Towering trees shade an old-fashioned midway surrounded by rides and concessions." "We've seen a lot of FECs and small parks go down during the 12 years we've owned this park," Fehnel said. "We've had to be very careful because we don't have deep pockets to pull from. There are a lot of obstacles out there that make running a small park like this very difficult." Fehnel said that "if you go the wrong way and make even one bad decision, it could put you under when you own such a small park." He said buying a big ride and being forced to make a big payment is one major problem that, although it has been hard, he hasn't gotten the park into. "We make do with what we got and bring in smaller, family and kiddie-oriented rides." He said his business philosophy at the park is to keep the operation streamlined and simple. "If you have less distractions, you can focus better on operations," he said. Average attendance in the park itself is approximately 80,000 per year. With the year-round attractions, the skating rink and the indoor play center, attendance climbs to just a bit more than 100,000 for the entire property. The 18-ride, 17-acre facility, located east of Allentown, Pa., is a local park that counts on repeat visitation, parties and word-of-mouth advertising to exist. "We're a park that parents and grandparents went to. It was affordable to them back then, and it's affordable for their families today. You don't have to make it an event to visit Bushkill Park." NOSTALGIA GALORE As could be expected in a century old park, one will find several classic rides in the park, including a 1915 Allan Herschell carousel, acquired by the park in 1993. An antique Wurlitzer band organ provides the music. In 2000, the old brass ring dispenser was re-installed, allowing guests to grab for the brass ring once again. The traditional Barl of Fun fun house is filled with a variety of diversions including distortion mirrors, rotating barrels, shaking floors and big, wooden slides. Today, the Barl of Fun is the last old-style fun house found in any American amusement park, according to historian Futrell. The park's Haunted Pretzel Ride, built in the 1930s by the Pretzel Amusement Co. of New Jersey, is believed to be the oldest continuously operated "dry" (as opposed to water-based) dark ride in the United States. The roller rink was built in the early 1930s and is one of the few remaining roller rinks still operating in an amusement park. Thanks to the roller rink and the Fascination Station indoor play center, built in 1997, the park plays host to more than 1,000 private parties a year, most of which are birthday parties. Both facilities are open year round. Fascination Station is open only for parties, and the roller rink is open to the public for only three hours every Saturday night. The rest of the time, it's reserved only for private parties. Written by: Tim O'Brien ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bill@childsfamily.com Tue Jul 16 05:48:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 12:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 51241 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 12:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 12:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 12:48:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 12:48:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:48:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: SFMW: V2 changes planned all along Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3177 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm This is from "The Loop" (www.gettheloop.com). Interestingly, SFMW=20 tries to suggest that they always knew they'd have to change V2,=20 which seems a little unlikely. I think the more likely scenario is=20 that they built it, got slapped, and then got the one-year variance. BTW, I have to note my irritation at "The Loop" -- the full right- hand column (including this supposed report) is paid advertisements=20 not identified as such. To figure out that it is paid advertising,=20 you have to go down a second level from the main advertising page to=20 http://www.gettheloop.com/newarrivalpitch.html. Obviously, amusement=20 park news is only theoretically objective at all, but it seems to me=20 that ads should be clearly identified as ads... Anyway, here's the "story" (read: press release): It's a roller coaster! Six Flags Marine World in Vallejo, California, announces the rebirth=20 of V2: Vertical Velocity June 22, 2002. Measurements: 594 feet (180=20 meters) total length of track, 150 feet high (45 meters), 28-seat=20 train. Redelivered by Intamin. His colleagues will forgive Jeff Jouett for expressing a little pique=20 at coaster enthusiasts.=20 The public relations manager for Six Flags Marine World suffered an=20 off-season of Web site barbs as the 1-year-old Intamin LIM launch=20 coaster was reconfigured, its twin towers cut from 186 feet (56=20 meters) high to 150, and the front upright angled out 45 degrees with=20 a corkscrew en route.=20 The city's environmental impact regulations limit construction=20 heights to 150 feet, but because Intamin's original design for the=20 ride was 186 feet, the park received a one-year variance to get V2 up=20 and open. "We agreed at that time to make the change in the off- season," Jouett said. Coaster enthusiasts bombarded Web message=20 boards with ridicule for the alteration. "I read all that stuff and=20 said, `Geeze, give it a chance.'" Jouett said.=20 V2 is now a new ride experience, thanks to the front end extending=20 out at a rising 45-degree angle over the ground=97in fact, over the=20 park's entry plaza and ticket booths: "It gets all the guests waiting=20 to come into the park revved up," Jouett said. The first pass stops=20 mid-way through the corkscrew, so that riders pause at different=20 angles depending on where they are sitting in the train. On=20 subsequent passages, the train's closing proximity to the end of the=20 track seems much more pronounced on a nearly horizontal track than it=20 does on a totally vertical track, Jouett said. "It ends, right there.=20 That's the thing, visually: it's not a looping coaster. The track=20 ends."=20 The ride opened with no staged fanfare. "We just wanted to get it=20 open and get people riding. We may yet do some event," Jouett said.=20 That is not to say the V2 didn't open with excitement, even from the=20 off-season naysayers. "The most gratifying thing is that the coaster=20 enthusiasts who were whining on line are now singing its praises,"=20 Jouett said, then continued in joking repartee: "And I've kept all=20 their on-line signatures. If I have a coaster event they will have to=20 sign in with their message board names and I'll decide whether=20 they're going to have lunch or not." From shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com Tue Jul 16 08:37:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: shiveringtimbers2000@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 15:37:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 60628 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 15:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 15:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 15:37:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 15:37:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:37:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR : Waldameer. Sat July 13 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1162 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "shiveringtimbers2000" X-Originating-IP: 207.24.168.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=89457996 X-Yahoo-Profile: shiveringtimbers2000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., MxPx2@a... wrote: > Comet : 1951 Schmeck/PTC family coaster with PTC Junior trains +5 > Some slight pops of floaty-air on the ride's many bunny hops, but nothing > spectacular. I got a few on-ride photos that I will post shortly. Gets a 5 > for being good, fun, but still a very average ride. My vote for the best ride > with the PTC junior trains goes to "Teddy Bear" at Strickers. I haven't been on the Teddy Bear, Comet is a great junior woodie. I like it a little more than Beastie, just because of the setting. > decided to move on to the dark rides. The park's real gems. >if you like Dark Rides, you will love Waldameer. That is a really great darkride duo. I could not imagine working at the Whacky Shack and having to listen to that recording over and over again. I'm sure I would go nuts. > My overall impressions of the park : +7 > It is such a relaxing atmosphere, and it is very well taken care of. We really had no idea what to expect when we visited last summer, but were very impressed with our visit. Now, if only that guy with the campground would let the RF2 project get approved... From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:21:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 16:21:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 90938 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 16:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 16:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.150) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 16:21:13 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:21:13 -0700 Received: from 151.205.80.106 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:21:12 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:21:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 16:21:13.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD9B0710:01C22CE4] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.80.106] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 This is the first part of mine and AFLAC's adventure to NEW ENGLAND to hit up all of it's coaster madness! haha I drove up to Cleveland and we got a late start out on the road (thanks to the DMV). So we were making our way down towards that lovely state that gets nothing but praise.... NEW JERSEY! as we approached Pittsburg, I saw the sign for Kennywood listed as an Atraction for the next exit... hmmmmm -"hey Brian, you wanna go?" -"I dont know jeremy, is it near the exit.." *as i quickly grab the map to see how far off the exit it is, and as Brian slams on the brakes and pulls off the interstate we check..." -"an crap, too far off the exit, we'll be there for the RCT event (if you haven't responded to Adam Sandy, please do so now... cheap plug!) So we were then on our way to Jersey (already being too late to hit up Hershey or Dorney (although we thought about it) Anyways we found our hotel, checked in and went to bed. Got up an hour late (thanks to be supposevilly hitting the ol SNOOZE button.. which im sure i did, just dont recall it), got some shatty breakfast, ate it on the trunk of AFLAC's car, and were on our way to Six Flags Great Adventure... This being my 3rd visit this year (and ever) I felt like I had the ol' "HOMEPARK" advantage and was the leader that day. We ran back to Chiller first thing (thank goodness), the line was only up to the turnstiles! this was a miracle! They tested Robin ALL DAY!!! but didn't deliver (1st shatty thing on this trip). we ended up having to only wait 30 mins with some "LILO AND STICH" tools and then came back late that night at closing and got 3 straight RE-rides! it was great! We had a lesiurly day throughout the park, hitting up Medusa twice (yep still same ol' headbanging in the front of the ride). Got token rides for AFLAC on all of the following... -GASM (not as bad as my last ride) -Rotting Lumber (still makes me laugh at how BAD this coaster is) -Viper (ouch) -Mine Train (not as good as i remembered) -Black Beard -Skull Mountain (INTAMIN.... SWEET Pullover.. i love that lil' ride) -Zamperla kiddie coaster... almost didnt' get the credit huh brian? i sat this one out to give him a better chance of riding it! Had a lot of rides on Nitro, including a quick RERIDE after our first of the day... thanks to ride ops NOT paying attention! Batman: the Ride was down for the first part of the day, but after it opened, the crowd FLOCKED, we got a ride, as I tried for a re-ride.. ok here's the story on this... There was an empty seat... an attendant was about to close it, looked over at me and motioned for me to jump in... so i DO! as soon as I set down... "NO RERIDES.. PLEASE LEAVE NOW".. wtf???? how can ONE op be for it and the others not!!! i was pissed, so i said a few choice words to the deuche and we were off to chiller again probablly... I took a ride on the ol' FRISBEE and that's about all we did, with a ride on the SKYRIDE and a short break in the midday to chill in the benzo with some cans of Mt. DEW! all in all we had a blast and i really do like the park and it's atmosphere. The best thing on this trip was SPORTS FESTIVAL. It appeared to be a sort of FLEA MARKET of baseball card traders but other then that, the best thing was when we walked past this lil' stage and saw AUTOGRAPHS $5 bucks... so we went to see who it was... low and behold it was him... MR. SRM himself.. MICK FOLEY! ahhahaha we wanted to talk to him but we didn't want a $5 dollar autographed so we starred and thought about getting his attention but laughed and we were on our way. We went back to the hotel, got some grub and went to bed. Next day... ASTROLAND (not texas) and SFNE!!! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:21:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 16:21:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 50835 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 16:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 16:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.179) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 16:21:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:21:28 -0700 Received: from 151.205.80.106 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:21:28 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: TR: Six Flags Great Adventure Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:21:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 16:21:28.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6A92490:01C22CE4] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.80.106] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 This is the first part of mine and AFLAC's adventure to NEW ENGLAND to hit up all of it's coaster madness! haha I drove up to Cleveland and we got a late start out on the road (thanks to the DMV). So we were making our way down towards that lovely state that gets nothing but praise.... NEW JERSEY! as we approached Pittsburg, I saw the sign for Kennywood listed as an Atraction for the next exit... hmmmmm -"hey Brian, you wanna go?" -"I dont know jeremy, is it near the exit.." *as i quickly grab the map to see how far off the exit it is, and as Brian slams on the brakes and pulls off the interstate we check..." -"an crap, too far off the exit, we'll be there for the RCT event (if you haven't responded to Adam Sandy, please do so now... cheap plug!) So we were then on our way to Jersey (already being too late to hit up Hershey or Dorney (although we thought about it) Anyways we found our hotel, checked in and went to bed. Got up an hour late (thanks to be supposevilly hitting the ol SNOOZE button.. which im sure i did, just dont recall it), got some shatty breakfast, ate it on the trunk of AFLAC's car, and were on our way to Six Flags Great Adventure... This being my 3rd visit this year (and ever) I felt like I had the ol' "HOMEPARK" advantage and was the leader that day. We ran back to Chiller first thing (thank goodness), the line was only up to the turnstiles! this was a miracle! They tested Robin ALL DAY!!! but didn't deliver (1st shatty thing on this trip). we ended up having to only wait 30 mins with some "LILO AND STICH" tools and then came back late that night at closing and got 3 straight RE-rides! it was great! We had a lesiurly day throughout the park, hitting up Medusa twice (yep still same ol' headbanging in the front of the ride). Got token rides for AFLAC on all of the following... -GASM (not as bad as my last ride) -Rotting Lumber (still makes me laugh at how BAD this coaster is) -Viper (ouch) -Mine Train (not as good as i remembered) -Black Beard -Skull Mountain (INTAMIN.... SWEET Pullover.. i love that lil' ride) -Zamperla kiddie coaster... almost didnt' get the credit huh brian? i sat this one out to give him a better chance of riding it! Had a lot of rides on Nitro, including a quick RERIDE after our first of the day... thanks to ride ops NOT paying attention! Batman: the Ride was down for the first part of the day, but after it opened, the crowd FLOCKED, we got a ride, as I tried for a re-ride.. ok here's the story on this... There was an empty seat... an attendant was about to close it, looked over at me and motioned for me to jump in... so i DO! as soon as I set down... "NO RERIDES.. PLEASE LEAVE NOW".. wtf???? how can ONE op be for it and the others not!!! i was pissed, so i said a few choice words to the deuche and we were off to chiller again probablly... I took a ride on the ol' FRISBEE and that's about all we did, with a ride on the SKYRIDE and a short break in the midday to chill in the benzo with some cans of Mt. DEW! all in all we had a blast and i really do like the park and it's atmosphere. The best thing on this trip was SPORTS FESTIVAL. It appeared to be a sort of FLEA MARKET of baseball card traders but other then that, the best thing was when we walked past this lil' stage and saw AUTOGRAPHS $5 bucks... so we went to see who it was... low and behold it was him... MR. SRM himself.. MICK FOLEY! ahhahaha we wanted to talk to him but we didn't want a $5 dollar autographed so we starred and thought about getting his attention but laughed and we were on our way. We went back to the hotel, got some grub and went to bed. Next day... ASTROLAND (not texas) and SFNE!!! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 16 09:58:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 16:58:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 83093 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out005.verizon.net) (206.46.170.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 16:58:44 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020716165755.WEIO20552.out005.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3D3450C4.7060200@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:58:44 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] SFMW: V2 changes planned all along References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash childs.rm wrote: > His colleagues will forgive Jeff Jouett for expressing a little pique > at coaster enthusiasts. > > The public relations manager for Six Flags Marine World suffered an > off-season of Web site barbs as the 1-year-old Intamin LIM launch > coaster was reconfigured, its twin towers cut from 186 feet (56 > meters) high to 150, and the front upright angled out 45 degrees with > a corkscrew en route. > > > The city's environmental impact regulations limit construction > heights to 150 feet, but because Intamin's original design for the > ride was 186 feet, the park received a one-year variance to get V2 up > and open. "We agreed at that time to make the change in the off- > season," Jouett said. Coaster enthusiasts bombarded Web message > boards with ridicule for the alteration. "I read all that stuff and > said, `Geeze, give it a chance.'" Jouett said. > > > V2 is now a new ride experience, thanks to the front end extending > out at a rising 45-degree angle over the ground--in fact, over the > park's entry plaza and ticket booths: "It gets all the guests waiting > to come into the park revved up," Jouett said. The first pass stops > mid-way through the corkscrew, so that riders pause at different > angles depending on where they are sitting in the train. On > subsequent passages, the train's closing proximity to the end of the > track seems much more pronounced on a nearly horizontal track than it > does on a totally vertical track, Jouett said. "It ends, right there. > That's the thing, visually: it's not a looping coaster. The track > ends." I'd say that he was ridiculed for the silly story that he's pushing that they had the 1 year variance before the opened V2 the first time and were already planning on the rebuilding of the ride. According to all the news reports that I was reading, they got in big trouble with the city for building it to high, then were forced to redesign it. It wasn't planned from all accounts I saw. But I will say this- the redesign is awesome!! If hard pressed, I'd probably put this design over all of the others. The launch isn't quite as intense, and the pause on the spike isn't as long or as high, but the inverting on the front, and going over the plaza and a couple of the other rides is a blast and a half- in my book much superior to the twisting in the air. I do have to agree that enthusiasts should give it a chance before they bash it, cause I'm betting they're going to really like it. keep on ridin' George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From randall@parrotisla.com Tue Jul 16 10:12:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: randall@parrotisla.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 16 Jul 2002 17:12:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 14425 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 17:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2002 17:12:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 17:12:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2002 17:12:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:12:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: INTRODUCTION & MISC: Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 685 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "buffettsims" X-Originating-IP: 68.69.120.49 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47616461 X-Yahoo-Profile: buffettsims Hey all I'm new to the group. I'm 17 a senior in school and I don't want to go into the real world yet. lol. I just wanted to let you all no I have my own coaster site with some great pics of Rides. I'm just crazy enough to ride rollercoasters with my camera in hand so most of the pics on the site are while I'm riding it. I also have a site with Coaster On-Ride Movies too of Anaconda, Volcano, and Lightning Racer. I'm listed in the bookmarks and here are the addresses: http://pkd.parrotisla.com and http://parrotisla.tripod.com so check em out. Randall Contact me: randall@parrotisla.com MSN Messenger: talvik_randall@hotmail.com AOL Instant Messenger: parrotisla From jzerkel@effingham.net Tue Jul 16 19:01:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 02:01:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 87006 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 02:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 02:01:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 02:01:53 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.68]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:00:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c22d35$c67b9660$44b1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: TR: SFGrAm (or I gotta get my fat ass on a diet and fast!) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:00:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Place: Six Flags Great America Date: Monday, July 15 Weather: HHH (hot, humid and hazy) until dusk Very comfortable after dusk Why I went: To meet up with my old college roomie, and add 4 more coasters to my count (or, so I thought) My last visit to SFGrAm was WAY back in 1994, and I had been wanting to make a return visit for sometime now. (Viper, Raging Bull, Deja Vu, and V2 are all coasters that have been built since my last visit.) After waking up at 5 am, I made the 4 hour drive up to Chicagoland and met up with Dale, my old college roomie of 3 years back in the late 80s. He drove from his house to the park, and we arrived at about 12:30 pm. Our first stop of the day was Viper. Wait: about 15-20 mins I have ridden 4 twister woodies (Mean Streak, The Legend, The Boss, and now Viper) Of those 4 coasters, Viper is far and away the most compact. (or....maybe it just seems that way because of its location in a flat, treeless area of the park......[this would be a recurring theme for almost all of the coasters at SFGrAm]) Anyway, I enjoyed the ride and especially the 3-bench PTC trains) I did not detect any roughness or jack-hammering, but the airtime was just not *quite* as sustained as I would have preferred. If I had to rank the twisters I mentioned above, I would probably go #1 Legend, #2 Boss, #3 Viper and #4 Mean Streak. It ranks a very respectable +3 on the old Griswold scale. One note, though.....I felt *very* sorry for anyone with hayfever or severe allergies who had to wait in the queue for this ride. There were *many* tall weeds all over the place, and it really reminded me of an alfalfa field in desperate need of mowing. I realize that this is supposed to be part of the "Southwest Territory" theming for this ride.....but, still! Next: Raging Bull Wait: Walk-on This was the one new coaster that I was really looking forward to riding, but when Dale and I arrived at the loading platform, the ops informed both of us that the restraints needed to be lowered one more click before we would be permitted to ride. It was obvious that this was NOT going to happen for Dale, but I thought I could manage it. I tried....unsuccesfully. So, the announcement was made over the platform speakers......"Would the 2 fat asses in row # 5 please leave the train?" j/k..........but I was very dejected at that particular time......until later in the day........(more on that later) Oh well....at least we had walked on. We continued to Demon Wait: 10 minutes I was a little apprehensive about fitting into the Demon's OTSRs, given what had just happened with the T-lap restraints on RB. But, surprisingly, I had no problem whatsoever with the OTSRs....I actually found them fairly unobstrusive (at least, as unobtrusive as an OTSR can be) For an Arrow, I thought it was not bad at all. The sound and light effects were being used in both of the tunnels, and I really thought the transitions were quite smooth. I especially enjoyed the double corkscrew around the waterfall. Not the biggest, baddest, most intense sitdown looper out there, but still a fun ride. Another +3 Next up: American Eagle: Red (forward) side Wait: 30 minutes They were running both the Red (forward) and Blue (backward) trains, but they were making absolutely no attempt to actually dispatch them from the station at the same time. As I said, we opted for the red train. IMHO, this is one of the most photogenic coasters in existence today. It makes a beautiful backdrop for the back of this park, and it's nice to see that the SF maintenance crew has done a nice job of keeping a fresh coat of white paint on this large coaster. The ride itself, though, wasn't that great. As soon as you made the U-turn leaving the station on your way to the lift hills, you could hear the coasters *screeching* loudly for a good dose of grease. The airtime on your way out was almost non-existent. My favorite part of this ride always was, and still is, the massive double-helix turnaround, where you keep gaining more and more speed.....which made for a *little* more airtime on your way back. I also thought the one trim brake, which you don't encounter until your ride is about 3/4 overwith was a little strange (and unnecessary) I give AE a +2 One more quick note regarding AE's trains: I don't even know the proper term, but on my last ride on this coaster, I did not remember the padding that was located on either end of each seat....you know, that padding that is right next to your outside elbow? I thought it was comfortable and gave the trains kind of a more "classic look" Has this padding always been there? or is it a recent addition? After our ride on AE, Dale wanted to cool off with a ride on the log flume. This was far and away our longest wait of the day, about 1 hour: 10 minutes. But, well worth the wait! I am sure the fact that the Shoot-the-Chutes was DDM all day added to the wait for the flume ride. A nice, long ride with very roomy vehicles (a fact not lost on us, given our experiences on RB; and, to a lesser extent, AE....that coaster was also a rather tight squeeze for me and my freind!) This is about the only log flume I can think of where you experience coaster-like airtime, thanks to the double-drop finale. After our ride on the flume, we decided it was time for a hand-stamp re-entry. We made our way to Dale's care and enjoyed some ice-cold bottled water, sandwiches, and a candybar. (I know....I know.....we REALLY didn't need the candybar....but why did we both eat one?......Because it was there.) Every time I type up one of the TRs, I try to keep it brief.....but it never works out that way.....so I will post Part 2 probably tomorrow. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) who wonders if anyone has the phone number for Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From IOASpiderman@aol.com Tue Jul 16 19:44:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 02:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7590 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 02:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 02:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 02:44:21 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id a.128.1472237f (16335) for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <128.1472237f.2a6633fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:44:14 EDT Subject: TR: KBF and SFMM To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64046551 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman I just got back from California today (well, when I wrote most of it=E2=80= =A6 now=20 its about a week and a half later), and while I was out there, I went to KB= F=20 and SFMM. The main reason I went out there was to look at colleges and vis= it=20 friends, as I used to live out there, so going to the parks were just=20 bonuses. Overall, both parks were really crowded, especially SFMM, but tha= t=20 could've been from the days (I went to KBF on July 4th and SFMM on Saturday= =20 the 6th). I'll just review them both in the same thing since they hopefull= y=20 won't be long. Knott's Berry Farm I got there around 1 pm. Also with my mom and I was my friend and his=20 slightly younger sister. We got in and headed towards Ghostrider. I went on this in 1999, and it was amazingly better back then. The line wa= s=20 barely out of the building, and the crew was very slow, dispatching initial= ly=20 every five minutes but they eventually got it up to around 3:30 (Still IMO= =20 pathetic though). This resulted in a wait of 2 hours. The first ride we=20 rode in the back, as I thought it was the place to be; the drop seemed to=20 give massive air in 99. But now it was slow and boring, with barely any of= =20 the ferocious air OR laterals it used to give. Later we re-rode in the fro= nt=20 (after waiting 1.5 hours), and it gave a much better ride, barely saving it= =20 from being a POS. After the first ride, me and my friend headed over towar= ds=20 Xcelerator. Finally, after all that complaining I was doing, I can now officially say i= t.=20 The ride isn't that great. After waiting [a rapid] 30 minutes, we finally= =20 got on (thought there's more about that in a minute). First, the launch,=20 which at the time was pretty good. The drop was very good, making it almos= t=20 re-ridable. The drop reminded me a lot of Nitro with the never-ending plun= ge=20 thing going, but Xcelerator felt steeper. After that however, the ride cou= ld=20 have hit the brakes for all I cared; the overbanked turns were boring. The= y=20 barely even pulled any g's or whatever, kind of like the Steel Force helix. Hold on- not finished with Xcelerator. First, we sat in seat 5.1, even=20 though we went to the last row in line. Why? Because we were forced to si= t=20 in 5.1 while some other dude came up the exit ramp and sat in 5.2. I asked= =20 the ride op why, and he mumbled something I didn't understand. Not a big=20 deal though, just annoying. They first make you put on a seatbelt, which h= as=20 a loop on it that you can pull to make it tighter. The ride-op yanked this= =20 thing as hard as was humanly possible, and then asked me if I could pull it= =20 any tighter. Ironically, when I went to reply to him, my intestines popped= =20 out my mouth. He then told me to pull my lap bar down, and then started=20 jumping up and down on it. Unfortunately, the lap bar was hitting the=20 digital camera in my pocket, so I had to take it out and put it in another= =20 side pocket in order so the lap bar could be moved down an extra quarter in= ch=20 into my legs. Additionally, the ride-op in the booth was having trouble or= =20 something, so the restraints had to be unlocked and this procedure done aga= in=E2=80=A6 twice. Now I know Knott's is mad at getting sued by idiots, but I don't=20 think that allows them to be monster bitches like this. Even though it did= =20 reveal something interesting: you can be stapled, in fact, only with seat=20 belts. After that, we headed over to Montezooma. This is the best ride in the par= k.=20 As of now, it's my favorite ride in Southern California (except maybe for= =20 Space Mountain). It's perfectly smooth, the launch is as good as=20 Xcellerator, the spikes either give good air or good views, the loop has=20 great positive g's. For lack of a better word, it's the perfect ride. I=20 rode it twice=E2=80=A6 both times in the front. I would have ridden it all= day, but=20 my friends wanted to walk around and do other stuff. So basically, that was it for coasters. I rode the wave swinger (which the= =20 ride-op was being a nazi about letting my mom carry on her small purse and= =20 wanted her to put on the ground while we rode- but eventually let her carry= =20 it on), the mystery lodge, and also the view tower thing, which was pretty= =20 cool, because you could see fireworks going off all around that area. The= =20 fireworks they had at Knott's were pretty weak, especially considering it w= as=20 the 4th, but whatever. Now- Six Flags Magic Mountain This park, in terms of ride operation, was a drastic change. The crews wer= e=20 a little bit faster, and even better they weren't nazis about everything. = It=20 was VERY crowded, so I didn't feel like doing much. X naturally wasn't=20 working, because, well, it's a piece of crap. D=C3=A9j=C3=A0 Vu's line was= overflowing=20 from Psyclone Cove (if that's still what it's called), and I didn't really= =20 feel like waiting on a line that long for a ride that I could care less=20 about. Also, the thrillshot wasn't working. There was a sign near the=20 loading platform saying it couldn't operate due to weather conditions, whic= h=20 is definitely understandable because, well, the weather was perfect. So, in an effort to get away from the crowds, I went and saw the show Circo= =20 Magnifico. It wasn't horrible, I think I've seen it a couple times before= =20 though, as Six Flags seems to have a rotation of performers going between=20 Great Adventure (my homepark) and Magic Mountain. Next up, I headed over t= o=20 Goliath to try out the ramp. After waiting 2 hours in this line, which I thought there was going to be a= =20 fight in because of this line cutter that appeared from thin air (I serious= ly=20 have no idea where he came from), we finally made it into the back seat. S= o,=20 is the drop a ramp? Yes, it is. The pullover is nice and gives good air,= =20 and for a split second I thought it might not actually be a ramp. But then= ,=20 about 75 feet into the drop, I fell back into my seat as the train continue= d=20 to fall. AKA rampage. The pullout of the drop was nice, as was that littl= e=20 turn around, the little hop had a bit of nice air, and then came the turn o= n=20 to the mid-course. They were turned almost all the way on, so the train=20 crawled off the brake run pretty slowly. Even still, the helix was amazing= -=20 I got major tunnel vision. And that's pretty much the ride. It wasn't bad= ,=20 but the ride seems to center around the small airtime hill and helix, which= =20 doesn't quite cut it for me. Next up was my second and final coaster of the day, Revolution. Now let me= =20 start by saying that all of you are going to argue with me. This is easily the best ride in Southern California, perhaps anywhere.=20=20 However, Six Flags messed it up VERY bad. It has so much potential it's=20 disgusting. And they only have to do two things: First, remove the OSTRs. They get in the way, especially for people of=20 average height, who experience intense headbanging in several places. Its= =20 caused by the slight amount of shuffling, and without them, it would be=20 perfectly fine. Because other than that, the ride is pretty smooth. If th= ey=20 cut them off (which literally can probably be done) or got trains like=20 Hersheypark has on the Sooperdooperlooper, it would be good. But don't get= a=20 train with only OSTRs- it won't work. The ride was designed for lap bars. Next, turn off (or even lower) all the brakes. This lift isn't that tall=20 (maybe 100'?), and the train has to be stopped completely 2 times (with a=20 third medium hit). For the train to be stopped, rip through the course, on= ly=20 to stopped again, that really says a lot about this ride, especially=20 considering Goliath over there is 255', only 1000' shorter, gets stopped=20 once, and doesn't hit the brake run with all that much speed. Now let me explain why I like this ride. The loop, which there is a comple= te=20 stop on the hill right before, is insane. If there weren't any brakes befo= re=20 it, I don't see it out of question for it to pull 6 g's in it. It's the sa= me=20 with the helixes- they are sick. They are almost all completely wooded (a= =20 major plus) AND they pull sweet g's. And did I mention this coaster has ai= r?=20 First, on the long ascent into the loop, which is awesome by the way,=20 whether if was intentional or from aging, there is a small bump in it. If= =20 those brakes weren't on before the drop, that would give a good pop of air.= =20=20 And, for of all of you S:ROS fans out there, you know that non-inverting=20 corkscrew everybody loves? Well, Revolution has one. It may not be as big= ,=20 but its there- right before the final helix. The brakes kill it though, as= =20 the train barely crawls over it. As I have said, if this ride was given the treatment it deserves, it would = be=20 amazing. Another plus is capacity. The crew the other day didn't even see= m=20 to be trying hard and they were dispatching a train every minute, giving th= e=20 ride roughly a capacity of 1200 pph, which is way over Goliath's, which I=20 calculated the to be around 700 pph. Now I'm not picking on Goliath- its=20 just that that was the only other ride I rode that day. Unfortunately, I s= ee=20 Six Flags tearing the coaster down before these things would be done to it,= =20 eliminating another perfect / near perfectly designed coaster. If only the= re=20 was another master=E2=80=A6 And that's it. Thanks for reading this, as it went on slightly longer than= =20 planned. Ok, adios. Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Jul 16 19:45:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 02:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 40787 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 02:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 02:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 02:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 26698 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Jul 2002 01:49:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020717014927.26697.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGrAm (or I gotta get my fat ass on a diet and fast!) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:49:27 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <000a01c22d35$c67b9660$44b1220c@lorenzer> from "Jon Zerkel" at Jul 16, 2002 09:00:14 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon HI Jon, > Our first stop of the day was Viper. Oh .. It's a pitty you rode Viper first thing in the morning, as it doesn't start to really shine until later in the day (and in the evening it's a total stand-fest!). > Next: Raging Bull Eh .. you didn't miss much! > We continued to Demon Demon is a great ride .. I still really enjoy it. I do, however, hate the restraints since I'm tall, and end up hunched over. > Next up: American Eagle: Red (forward) side Eagle, like Viper, really comes alive later in the day. The screeching is sad as Great America usually does a better job of keeping the two wooden coasters well lubed. The air on the out-ward run is usually borderline spectacular, I'm sorry you had a bad ride :-(. I haven't been back there for over a month, which I am NOT happy about! Maybe this weekend.. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 07:09:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 14:09:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 60288 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 14:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 14:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 14:09:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2002 14:09:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:09:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: KBF and SFMM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <128.1472237f.2a6633fe@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2948 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I went on this in 1999, and it was amazingly better back then. The line was > barely out of the building, and the crew was very slow, dispatching initially > every five minutes but they eventually got it up to around 3:30 (Still IMO > pathetic though). This resulted in a wait of 2 hours. This is what I heard from a lot of people at the con- painfully slow operations. Although X was not running, I was glad I went to the first half at Magic Mountain. > After that, we headed over to Montezooma. This is the best ride in the park. How were the dispatches? A few weeks ago they were 5-7 minutes as opposed to the 1 minute (or so) it used to take. >The crews were > a little bit faster, and even better they weren't nazis about everything. Except for Colossus, Ninja and Deja Vu I was very happy with the Six Flags crews @ MM. It was also a big change from my 1996 visit. Then, everyone had a huge attitude, I got screamed at because I had dared leave my backpack near the exit on Revolution and told to carry it or I could not ride. This June they were much more laid back. > Also, the thrillshot wasn't working. There was a sign near the > loading platform saying it couldn't operate due to weather conditions, which > is definitely understandable because, well, the weather was perfect. Apparently they have bad weather every day at the top of the Thrillshot...it is some mysterious cloud we cannot see :). Essentially MM has not reopened the ride and have just decided to put the sign up instead of fielding questions about it. > This is easily the best ride in Southern California, perhaps anywhere. > However, Six Flags messed it up VERY bad. It has so much potential it's > disgusting. And they only have to do two things: I will say that it WAS one of, if not the, best ride in California. > First, remove the OSTRs. > Next, turn off (or even lower) all the brakes. Hmmm...this sounds a lot like my TR! :) >The loop, which there is a complete > stop on the hill right before, is insane. If there weren't any brakes before > it, I don't see it out of question for it to pull 6 g's in it. Actually, it would not. Stengel and Schwarzkopf designed it to pull 4.9 (I believe 4.94) g's unbraked. I am actually working on a Revolution page for my site, which is why I know useless info. like that. > As I have said, if this ride was given the treatment it deserves, it would be > amazing. Another plus is capacity. The crew the other day didn't even seem > to be trying hard and they were dispatching a train every minute, giving the > ride roughly a capacity of 1200 pph, which is way over Goliath's, which I > calculated the to be around 700 pph. Now I'm not picking on Goliath- its > just that that was the only other ride I rode that day. The frightening thing about Revolution is that it used to run 5 trains- now that is a capacity monster! Adam From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 10:47:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 17:47:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 90046 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 17:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 17:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20603.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 17:47:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20020717174704.87776.qmail@web20603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:47:04 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: KBF and SFMM To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <128.1472237f.2a6633fe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- IOASpiderman@aol.com wrote: Also, the thrillshot wasn't working. There > was a sign near the > loading platform saying it couldn't operate due to > weather conditions, which > is definitely understandable because, well, the > weather was perfect. LIAR LIAR LIAR! There WAS a weather related reason for ThrillShot not being open! ....... Hell has not yet frozen over! ...... lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 14:41:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 21:41:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 51901 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 21:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020717214101.81023.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:41:01 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:41:01 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I hate people who do this, but I feel I should share what I can (which is very litte). Today I found out something that will make most people here very sad (no, no one died). I cannot say more at this time but I will let you know as soon as I am able. I will say that this is something that has been rumored for some time on many boards like RRC, URC. Sorry to open the door to speculation, Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Jul 17 14:53:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 21:53:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 32626 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 21:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 21:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 21:53:50 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.33]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c22ddc$4bf81600$21b1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: TR: SFGrAm Part 2 (or, I need to get my fat ass on a diet, and fast!) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:52:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Part 2 of my TR from Monday's visit to Great America Following our parking lot picnic lunch, my friend Dale and I returned through the re-entry gate just prior to 5 pm. Dale wanted to catch the Magic Show at the Royal Palace Theater. It was enjoyable, but I got a little irritated with my friend for constantly remarking, "Do you know how they did that?......I know how they did it, but I won't tell you." I thought to myself, "Well, good! I don't want to know, and I also don't want to know that you know!" I especially enjoyed the audience participation bit with the interlocking rings. As I said, an enjoyable show, but a little too short for my taste......the entire show from begininning to end was only about 20 minutes. Since it was right next-door to the magic show, we next decided to take a spin on: Shockwave Wait: walk-on When this Arrow coaster opened in 1988, it held the record for tallest coaster (170 ft.), as well as having the distinction of being the first coaster to include 7 inversions. For those of you who are regular, long-time readers of this mailing list, the best way I can sum up Shockwave is, "I didn't love it as much as George B. did, but I didn't hate it as much as Nate K. did." I actually rather enjoyed the first, twisting drop as well as the first 3 inversions. I do not recall the exact order of elements on this coaster......I just know that as I exited the 3rd one and was entering the 4th.....that's when I felt the only real discomfort in the back of my neck.....but it was a REAL doozie, which really killed the entire 2nd half of the ride for me. I didn't think any of the elements in the 2nd half of the course were particularly painful....I was just still reeling from that one spot. Also, this is yet another coaster that SFGrAm decided to build in a totally flat, treeless area (it was actually built right on top of a portion of the old parking lot!) I'd have to give Shockwave a 0 on the old Griswold Scale of -3 to +5 Next, we headed over to catch another show, Radioactive.....which, IMO, was a total waste of time. The singers were mediocre at best, and the sound system was absolutely atrocious. It was kind of like listening to Karaoke inside an extremlely large, empty gymnasium. Next, we saw that the ole' Whizzer was right next door, so I suggested we take a spin on it. Dale was a little reluctant at first, but when I informed him of the internet rumor that it would be removed at the end of this season, he was at first rather shocked, and then eager to take a spin. Whizzer Wait: easily the longest coaster wait of the day, about 50 mins. As do many others on this list, I try to rate coasters against others of the same genre (hypers vs. hypers, twisters vs. twisters, etc.) However, IMO, this is impossible to do with the Whizzer, as it is the lone remaining installation of a Schwartzkopf spiral-lift speedracer. In the queue, you could find many, many families with their children who would obvioulsy have been too short to ride some of the larger coasters in this park. I absolutely loved the 4 in a row tandem seating (very spacious) and really enjoyed the ride as well. I know that there has been much discussion on this list recently about "rampy" first drops......well......the Whizzer would DEFINITELY fall in that category, but I didn't think that this long, gradual first drop hurt the rest of the ride at all. I especially enjoyed the high, speed, high banked turns taken *extremely* low to the ground. Who knows if Nate K's source is right about the Whizzer being removed at the end of this year? Personally, I hope that he is wrong, but something tells me that (sadly) he is probably right. I'm sure that this ride is probably a maintenance nightmare, since there aren't any other like it. But, it's just sad that there are so few coasters out there that families can really enjoy together. Also, this is about the only coaster at SFGrAm where you can actually see.....trees! yes, TREES! while you go zipping through the course! I give Whizzer a +3.5 on the old Griswold scale Next, I was determined to try one more time to squeeze my fat butt onto Raging Bull. Figuring I needed any advantage I could find, I gave my wallet (from my back pocket) and my sunglasses case (from my front pocket) to my friend and we selected a place to meet up a little later. I had failed to notice the test seat at RB's queue entrance the first time, so I got in to try it out.....I fit!!! Yes!! So, back into line for RB when, literally moments later came the announcement over the P.A. "We are experiencing a temporary delay in operations.........yadda, yadda, yadda." I decided to wait it out in line, and after about 20 mins, half the queue had emptied and there was still no sign of a train cycling, so I left the queue, even more dejected than before. I returned to our designated meeting spot....but I could not find my friend.......when........you guessed it........Raging Bull starts cycling again! Yes!!! So, I run back to the queue as fast as my fat ass will allow me to go and get in line again. This time, the wait was only about 10 mins and I WAS able to fit *albeit somewhat tightly* into the the huge seats with the t-lap bar restraints. I realize that others on this list have dubbed RB the "family hyper," but I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS RIDE!! Up the 202 foot lift hill, then one tiny dip before diving 208 ft into that tiny little hole in the ground that goes underneath Vipers' exit queue. Follow that with many doses of great, floating airtime, and plenty of glass-smooth, highly banked turns.....many taken close to the ground. I realize that some (perhaps many) people will think I'm crazy.....but I enjoyed RB more than Millenium Force, because MF is just overwith too quickly with all that insane speed. Rather than calling Raging Bull a "family hyper," I prefer to think of it as "The Whizzer on Steroids," since I really enjoyed both rides, and I thought that they had some similarities (especially those low to the ground, highly banked turns) Not surprisingly, I was grinning from ear to ear on the on-ride photo (although I decided not to shell out the $7 to buy it) I give RB a +4.5......if they planted some trees, and/or if I lost about 40 lbs.........I'm sure it would easily score a +5. I found my friend, and he said he wanted to ride Batman. I told him flat-out, "Dale, there is no way in hell that you will fit into B:TR's restraints if you could not fit into Raging Bull's restraints!" (My friend is slightly larger than me) He wanted to go, anyway, so we made our way to the other side of the park where we found another test chair at Batman's entrance queue. He tried it out and saw the look in my face that said, "I hate to say I told you so....but I told you so." Vertical Velocity was right next door, and wanting the credit, I hopped in line (since it was only about a 15 min. wait) As I was entering the queue, Dale told me, "Jon, there is no way in hell that you will fit into those restraints.".......Well, about 15 mins. later.......I could see the look in Dale's face that said "I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!" (Unfortunately, V2 did not have a test seat at it's entrance) It was now just before 9 pm, and we saw the sign that said the River Rapids ride would operate from 10 am-9 pm, so we walked on for one of the last rides of the day. Here (in the queue for the Rapids Ride) is where I saw one of the strangest sights of the day. While crossing over the 2nd (?) bridge in the queue, I looked into the water and saw what *looked* like dozens of discarded credit cards! I couldn't tell if they were actually credit cards, because they were all upside down in the water, (with the magnetic stripe side facing up.) I thought that perhaps they were discarded season passes from last season, but if that's the case....they sure have been in the water for a long, long time! If anybody on this list knows what that was all about, I am still dumbfounded by that sight and would appreciate any enlightement you could offer. Anyway.....Dale and I were the only 2 people in our 12-person raft, so I thought to myself, "Good.......this way there is less chance of getting drenched."...........I thought wrong. We both came off that ride absolutely soaked from head-to-toe!" It was actually quite funny, though, because every time we received another dousing, Dale and I stole a line from that classic movie, Animal House, and shouted at the top of our lungs, "THANK YOU SIR!, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?" All of the ride ops were laughing hysterically at us when we yelled that. We decided to finish off our night with a spin on the bumper cars. The wait was about 20 mins, and I really thought it was a nice way to end the day at the park. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that this bumper car pavillion seemed rather larger than many others and the ride cycle lasted a little longer. I was also very pleased to NOT see a sign anywhere that read "One-Way Only" (That is one of my pet peeves!) What is the point of having bumper cars if all of the drivers are only allowed to drive one way?!? We left the park at about 9:45 pm, driving underneath and taking one last look at AE as we left the parking lot. THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY (final thoughts) The Good: Finally returning to a park that I frequented during my college years, and getting to spend the day with my old college roomie, who I don't see too often anymore. My favorite rides of the day had to be Whizzer and Raging Bull (thank God I was finally able to squeeze it in, in more ways than one!) Also, adding 2 more coasters to the count: (Viper and Raging Bull) The Bad: I was a little disappointed that we didn't have time to take a backwards-side ride on AE's blue train. (I opted for the red side because we rode PKI's racer backwards during our SRM trip.) Also, even though I don't consider myself a 'credit-whore,' I would have enjoyed at least walking through the kiddie-sections at this park (Cartoon-Network and Hannah-Barberra Land) I *think* that both of these areas were added since my last visit. But, since my friend, Dale is a divorced parent who does not have custody of his son, I was afraid to suggest it, because I was a little worried that he might find that depressing. Also, the "Radioactive" show that we endured.....just plain bad. Also, failing to get the credits for Deja Vu and V2. The Ugly: -The ugliest thing of all was probably Dale trying to fit in B:TR's restraints, and me trying to fit into V2's restraints. (God, I gotta start that diet and soon!) -$2.75 for a 20 oz. coke from the vending machines. Absolutely uncalled for. Dale, who was the manager at a convenience store for many years, said that he figured a conservative estimate would be $86 profit PER CASE for the park. -SFGrAm's miniature railroad. We did not ride it, but we did see it several times throughout the day. I remarked how it sounded more like a riding lawn mower than a locomotive, and Dale claims that is because the Illinois EPA (in their infinite stupidity) will not permit steam engines to operate anywhere in the state, (which I sincerely doubt); but I just wonder why this particular park chose not to operate theirs. -The 6 foot tall weeds in the queue for Viper. I found that entire area of the park very unattractive. How hard would it be to mow that area, or plant some real flowers or something? -And, finally.....those discarded credit cards under the bridge at the Rapids Ride. What in the world is up with that?!? Jon Z. (Zerkel, not Zucker) (who hereby declares you an official "coaster geek" if you read all the way through both of these trip reports.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Jul 17 15:41:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 17 Jul 2002 22:41:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 4750 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 22:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2002 22:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 22:41:42 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.139]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c22de2$fff06a80$8bb1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: Walkway collapses at Silver Dollar City Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:40:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walkway collapses at Silver Dollar City Twenty-one people were sent to hospitals; only one had possible broken legs. By Kathryn Buckstaff News-Leader Branson - An investigation is under way today to determine why a 25-foot section of walkway collapsed Monday at Silver Dollar City, sending 21 people to the hospital. Most of the injured suffered scrapes and bruises. One woman who was not identified was taken by helicopter to a hospital in Little Rock. Ark., at her request. Her injures were not life-threatening, said hospital spokesperson Tracey Barton. Park spokes-person Lisa Rau said the woman's legs were injured, possibly broken. Dawn Castiglione, 36, of Troy, Mich., had just stepped onto the walkway near the loading area for the Lost River, a water ride in large tubes. She was holding her 3-year-old son Stephen by the hand when the section of sidewalk collapsed. The walkway was about two feet above the surface of the ride's waterway. "We all slid into the water, and he went under," she said. "I lifted him up, and I was able to hold onto the part of the walkway that didn't fall. If I wouldn't have had him by the hand, he would have been in there on his own." About 11,000 guests were at the park Monday. The 4:30 p.m accident happened with about 50 patrons waiting on the 40-foot-long walkway. Seven ambulances were dispatched from Taney and Stone counties, said Tom Martin, Stone County's director of emergency management. The injured were taken to Skaggs Community Health Center. The park is open today, but the ride will remain closed until a cause of the collapse is determined, Rau said. Castiglione - visiting Branson for the second time - suffered a sprained ankle and left the hospital with a soft cast. She said she plans to return to Branson and Silver Dollar City. "I might not go on some rides for a while," she said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bill@childsfamily.com Wed Jul 17 17:55:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 00:55:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 88337 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 00:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 00:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 00:55:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 00:55:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:55:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Adam's portent of doom Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020717214101.81023.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 138.88.78.137 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm Say good night, Willard. (As in Willard's Whizzer, SFGAm.) -B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Adam Sandy wrote: > I hate people who do this, but I feel I should share > what I can (which is very litte). Today I found out > something that will make most people here very sad > (no, no one died). I cannot say more at this time but > I will let you know as soon as I am able. I will say > that this is something that has been rumored for some > time on many boards like RRC, URC. > Sorry to open the door to speculation, > Adam > > ===== > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > SM-NL > "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan > *************** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 17 19:22:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 02:22:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 61327 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 02:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 02:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 02:22:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 29895 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Jul 2002 01:26:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718012649.29894.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Adam's portent of doom To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:26:49 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "childs.rm" at Jul 18, 2002 12:55:37 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Say good night, Willard. The apartment building next door to me is being torn down?! (Yes, it's actually named 'Willard'!) Cam. > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Adam Sandy wrote: > > I hate people who do this, but I feel I should share > > what I can (which is very litte). Today I found out > > something that will make most people here very sad > > (no, no one died). I cannot say more at this time but > > I will let you know as soon as I am able. I will say > > that this is something that has been rumored for some > > time on many boards like RRC, URC. > > Sorry to open the door to speculation, > > Adam > > > > ===== > > *************** > > Adam Sandy > > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > > SM-NL > > "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The > Brothers McMullan > > *************** > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 19:33:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 02:33:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 60228 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 02:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 02:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 02:33:10 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 02:33:09 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:30:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy According to the latest Amusement Business, Custom Coasters released a statement today that they are closing. If you have time check out their website. If you repeat this statement please do not quote me or use my name, just quote Amusement Business. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Jul 17 19:41:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 02:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 79312 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 02:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 02:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 02:41:00 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.115]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c22e04$6f648240$73b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:40:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" To: "RCT" > According to the latest Amusement Business, Custom Coasters released a > statement today that they are closing. If you have time check out their > website. I tried to check out their website......I got the "Netscape is unable to locate the server" message......which, I am presuming is kind of the point? Very sad, indeed. Jon Z Zerkel, not Zucker From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 17 19:44:56 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 02:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 48266 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 02:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 02:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 02:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 30034 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Jul 2002 01:49:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718014901.30033.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:49:01 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "Adam Sandy" at Jul 17, 2002 09:30:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon GACK! > According to the latest Amusement Business, Custom Coasters released a > statement today that they are closing. If you have time check out their > website. If you repeat this statement please do not quote me or use my > name, just quote Amusement Business. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From gburnash@bigfoot.com Wed Jul 17 20:12:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 03:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 17125 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 03:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 03:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out012.verizon.net) (206.46.170.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 03:12:37 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020718031237.TKJZ28750.out012.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3D363225.60002@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:12:37 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > According to the latest Amusement Business, Custom Coasters released a > statement today that they are closing. If you have time check out their > website. If you repeat this statement please do not quote me or use my > name, just quote Amusement Business. I'm not sure which is worse- Willard's Whizzer being torn out this year or this. Well yes I am. This is horrible news, though like you said Adam there had been a few rumors. I know that there have also been some questions about GCI to. But to see the maker of such classics as Raven, Legend, Ghostrider and so many of the top woodies today being closing up... Any reasons as to why? Bad budgetinging? Slowed market? or any other details you can give? keep on ridin George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 20:14:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 03:14:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 2627 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 03:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 03:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp013.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 03:14:45 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 03:14:45 -0000 To: Subject: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:11:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D363225.60002@verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Any reasons as to why? Bad budgetinging? Slowed market? or any other >details you can give? I can't say anything at this time, but there may be more available tomorrow. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 21:04:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 04:04:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 64854 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp012.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 04:04:27 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 04:04:26 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: MISC: Its Carnival Time Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:01:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Want an obsessed flat ride's fan tour of some new German carnival pictures? Then follow along. Our first stop is: http://www.kirmes-journal.de/page4.htm This recently painted version of the Top Spin shows how it is different than most Top Spins in America because it is portable (Strates Shows and Myrtle Beach Pavilion are the only ones off the top of my head). You can tell because the large cylinders on either side of the ride have weights in them. Moving down we see one of only a few (I do not know how many were produced) of the Mondial Rollovers. TUV allows Mondial to use only OTSR's (no crotch bars) because they were the first company to create a triple-backup system. Sadly, there were not more of these built because parks started installing the Splashovers and most showmen already owned a Huss Top Spin or a Soriani & Moser Windshear. As we move down there is some weird guy I whose story I am not going to translate. Next to it is a Huss Rainbow...as you can see money is put into everything, even a 20 year old flat. Below it is a wheel (Mondial?) where the kiosk and loading area are themed to the Statue of Liberty's crown. The other new pics are at: http://www.kirmes-journal.de/page16.htm The first pic is of the rain the area experienced and Rudolf Robrahn and Sohn's Huss Frisbee sits in the background. This photo (and I believe all on the page) were taken in Dusseldorf. One of the fair's slogans is "Grosste Kirmes am Rhein" (the biggest fair on the Rhein). This is one of the largest fairs in Germany and, if I recall correctly, it pulls numbers only beaten by places like Oktoberfest in Munchen. In the second photo we see a panorama of the fair. On the left is Geno Distel's Huss Jump. They have been trying to sell it for some time but cannot find a buyer (they are a bitch to move). In the distance is the Oscar Bruch Eurostar, the tv tower, a freefall tower and a ferris wheel (more on those later). Moving down we see the wonderful Mondial Inferno called Airwolf. I have waxed rhapsodically about it enough so I will move on. The wheel is owned by the Bruch Family and is one of the larger traveling wheels in Europe. The freefall ride looks like the new Power Tower 2 owned by Ewald Schneider and is the tallest traveling tower ride (it is a shot n' drop) in the world. The last photo on the page is the oh so wonderful Top Scan owned by Siegfried & Sylvia Kaiser of Munich. I hope you enjoyed this little tour of some of the best shows Germany has to offer. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jul 17 21:44:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 04:44:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 36996 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 04:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 04:44:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.57) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 04:44:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:44:12 -0700 Received: from 207.68.83.219 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:44:12 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGrAm Part 2 (or, I need to get my fat ass on a diet, and fast!) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:44:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 04:44:12.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[C35DF1E0:01C22E15] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.83.219] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 <......snip snip snip......> Vertical Velocity was right next door, and wanting the credit, I hopped in line (since it was only about a 15 min. wait) As I was entering the queue, Dale told me, "Jon, there is no way in hell that you will fit into those restraints.".......Well, about 15 mins. later.......I could see the look in Dale's face that said "I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so!" (Unfortunately, V2 did not have a test seat at it's entrance) I don't know what it is, but Intamin lately has been very careful on WHO they let on their rides. Maybe after the PP and S:ROS incidents they dont want any one who MIGHT be a slight *heavy* to ride their rides. I first noticed this with the shortening of the lap belts on Millennium Force this year, it's real annoying, seeing as how i have to stretch it the whole way out JUST to get it to fit, and many of you have seen me and i'm not *that* big, a lil' on the husky side but nothing PPlungish' i might add.... Secondly, WickeD Twister's restraints fit me BARELY! even on S:UE and V2, i can BARELY fit! i don't see why this is so, cause honestly I've seen many bigger enthusiast in my days and i'm sure they're bitchin' up a storm too.. anyways that's my two cents... Well call me what you want! I DO WHAT I WANT! WHATEVA! jeRemy D. (who's been eating better and working out because he wants MORE air on the FORCE (not steel but millennium) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jul 17 22:04:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 05:04:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 84686 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 05:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 05:04:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 05:04:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:04:12 -0700 Received: from 207.68.83.219 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 05:04:12 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: TR: Astroland, NYC July 12 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:04:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 05:04:12.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EB42A60:01C22E18] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.83.219] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 We made the drive to NYC on Friday morning, me and AFLAC! We got to Astroland finally and made our way to the infamous CYCLONE! After traveling around the block trying to find the mob-like secret office passage way to get our internet coupons validated, we got our PINK wrist bands and were on our way to get our 3 rides on the ol' CYCLONE. CYCLONE (the cyclone, new york city, famous, discovery channel, bla bla bla) 3.5 out of 10 (only that much because of nostalgic/historic reasons) First ride, I took in the third seat, brian opted for the 4th (over the wheels)... It was alright, nothing to write home about, and nothing to disturb the ol' top 10 (or even 15 for that matter) on the WOODEN coaster list. Second ride, 2nd row of the last car, (brian next to last NOT over the wheels this time) a little better ride but again nothign to write home about. Last ride, we BOTH took a ride in the LAST seat.... IT SUCkED SO BAD!!! Anyways after that I jumped on the POWER SURGE (my first) and loved it for the first 5 minutes, after that it was getting old and painful... We jumped over to DANTES INFERNO for a ride, it was really fun. Nice haunted house, but like MIKE Cowan pointed out... where'd the monkeys come from? anyways I dont remember much of the story but i'll take his word for it. next was what i was waiting for, the BREAKDANCE. This being my new favorite Flat ride, (only riding GReatAdventures twice) I was eager to get on one that i KNEW would be running on a better program. This was absolutely insane! If i rated flats, i'd give it an 8.5! they ran it forever, with NELLY and other R&B/hip hop jams blasting overhead. The ops were dancing along the side and singing along, it made for a great ride... i got off this thing and couldn't walk.. no lie i had to hold on to the nearest railing... after that we rode the skytower and were headed out of that crap hole of a city! next we were off to meet MIKE COWAN at Taco Bell before the SFNE exit.. at 4 right? haha or was it 5? or was it 6:30 by the time we made it through traffic.. stupid new england crap! coming next SFNE TR! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Jul 17 23:17:37 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 06:17:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 95648 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 06:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 06:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 06:17:36 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.1a8.54101d0 (3958) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a8.54101d0.2a67b775@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:17:25 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/17/2002 5:42:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, afrsandy@yahoo.com writes: > I hate people who do this, but I feel I should share > what I can (which is very litte). Today I found out > something that will make most people here very sad > (no, no one died). I cannot say more at this time but > I will let you know as soon as I am able. I will say > that this is something that has been rumored for some > time on many boards like RRC, URC. > Sorry to open the door to speculation, > Adam > This wouldn't have anything to do with the supposed demise of CCI would it??? After building a rollercoaster and studying the industry for quite some time, I can't say I'm surprised if this is true. The industry is (As John puts it) "Faddish" and nothing is secure. sad, sad, sad....*IF* that's what you're talking about. --Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 07:05:28 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 14:05:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 38368 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 14:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 14:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 14:05:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 14:05:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:05:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Astroland, NYC July 12 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2139 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Jeremy decided to give me a proverbial kick in the nuts with the following TR: > CYCLONE (the cyclone, new york city, famous, discovery channel, bla bla bla) > 3.5 out of 10 (only that much because of nostalgic/historic reasons) > It was alright, nothing to write home about, and nothing to disturb the ol' > top 10 (or even 15 for that matter) on the WOODEN coaster list. I am surprised that you did not like it. While I enjoyed my first few rides on it purely out of nostalgia, I really can say I enjoy the ride. > Last ride, we BOTH took a ride in the LAST seat.... IT SUCkED SO BAD!!! What sucked about it? I found the Cyclone's airtime to be some of the best around in the back seat. > Anyways after that I jumped on the POWER SURGE (my first) and loved it for > the first 5 minutes, after that it was getting old and painful... Were they running it in both directions? This Power Surge is the only one in the world that can stop and start rotating in the opposite direction...however I have yet to see it. Did they do this at all or run it the same way the entire trip? > This was absolutely insane! If i rated flats, i'd give it an 8.5! > they ran it forever, with NELLY and other R&B/hip hop jams blasting > overhead. The ops were dancing along the side and singing along, it made for > a great ride... i got off this thing and couldn't walk.. no lie i had to > hold on to the nearest railing... after that we rode the skytower and were > headed out of that crap hole of a city! As the number of people who have ridden the Break Dance grows so will its reputation. You guys really did miss a lot, it is too bad you did not walk around a bit. The Bumper Cars in Astroland are awesome, as are the ones on Surf called El Dorado (Bump Your Ass Off), the Wonder Wheel is fun, the B&B Carousell is a place where you can still catch a brass ring, the Jumbo Jet is worth the price, a trip down the boardwalk is interesting to see the parachute jump and Gregory & Paul's and Nathans are both fine eateries. If you do go back I would urge you to poke around a bit...but to each his own. Adam From bill@childsfamily.com Thu Jul 18 07:28:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 14:28:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 32244 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 14:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 14:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 14:28:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 14:28:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:28:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: CCI -- The Loop/AT Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 554 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm On the "Extra! Extra!" page at www.amusementtoday.com, this is posted: Custom Coasters closes (July 18, 2002) Custom Coasters, one of the top designers and manufacturers of wooden roller coasters, has closed its operations. Denise Dinn, president and founder of the company, said in a statement that she was closing the company for personal reasons related to her current divorce. "She is leaving her options open for a future in the industry," the statement said, and she hopes to associate with a major manufacturer to pursue future projects. From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Thu Jul 18 10:39:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 17:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 84764 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 17:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 17:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 17:39:10 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA212964 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:40:13 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256BFA.006094BB ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:34:55 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256BFA.006093BF.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:38:22 -0400 Subject: RCT Event Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Hey all, I have just begun to make travel/lodging arrangements for next weekend's big event. Does anyone have suggestions for places to stay? I'm always interested in cheap, and near the next morning's park. I'll most likely be driving my own car, with room for one comfortable passenger (and two squished ones), if anyone needs rides. Jon Z The First From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 10:45:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 17:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 92292 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 17:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 17:45:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 17:45:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2002 17:45:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:45:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Astroland, NYC July 12 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4289 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tommytheduck" X-Originating-IP: 68.70.195.45 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Jeremy typed out a Coney Island TR, Adam read it, got so sick to his stomach that he puked this out... > Jeremy decided to give me a proverbial kick in the nuts with the > following TR: Yeah Adam, we knew you wouldn't be too happy with us! > > CYCLONE (the cyclone, new york city, famous, discovery > >channel, bla bla bla) > I am surprised that you did not like it. While I enjoyed my first few > rides on it purely out of nostalgia, I really can say I enjoy the ride. > > > Last ride, we BOTH took a ride in the LAST seat.... IT SUCkED > > SO BAD!!! > > What sucked about it? I found the Cyclone's airtime to be some > of the best around in the back seat. My first ride in 1-4 was over the wheels. (a pseudo-schmeck seat I thought) Jackhammering like you wouldn't believe is what you get when you sit over the wheels. No real air, and a wicked slam to the side on the first turnaround. (I have the scar on my leg to prove it.) If we were paying per ride, instead of the 3-ride package with the P-O-P, I would have not ridden again. 2nd ride, second to last row, 3-3, was a decent ride. The non- wheeled seats provided almost no jackhammering at all. However, still not a whole lot of air. This was the only enjoyable ride I got. The couple sitting in the last row on our 2nd ride were veterans of the cyclone and told us. "best seat..." So we decided to sit together in the last row for our last ride. Again... major jackhammering over the wheels! In fact, I got jostled so much I actually ended up crushing my bag at one point! And I didn't carry anything on the ride with me, if you know what I mean! (use your imagination) If I didn't know the secret to avoiding migranes on wooden coasters (keep your back off the seat) my first and third rides would have given me a major headache. > Were they running it in both directions? This Power Surge is the > only one in the world that can stop and start rotating in the > opposite direction...however I have yet to see it. Did they do >this at all or run it the same way the entire trip? I didn't ride this with Jeremy, as these rides make me puke! But I did grab a picture of him riding and do not remember seeing it reverse direction. But, much like the Breakdance that I also didn't ride, it did seem to go on forever. *snip* > You guys really did miss a lot, it is > too bad you did not walk around a bit. >the Wonder Wheel is fun, looked fun, but the clock was ticking... had to get to SFNE > The Jumbo Jet is worth the price, I *REALLY* wanted to ride this, but unfortunately it was closed. This ride looks awesome! > a trip down the boardwalk is > interesting to see the parachute jump We parked in that lot. I stopped to read the plaque and Jeremy waited impatiently. > and Gregory & Paul's and > Nathans are both fine eateries. They serve Nathan's hotdogs at the cleveland airport (where I work.) We did get a hotdog at one of the stands, but it was served to me plain, while Jeremy got his with onions and red peppers at no extra charge. > If you do go back I would urge > you to poke around a bit...but to each his own. This was nothing compared to Venice Beach! There were only 2 reasons I would ever go back to the festering garbage dump known as New York City... #1) Ride the CI cyclone (accomplished) #2) Attend a taping of my all time favorite TV show, Saturday Night Live. (working on it) I cannot stand New York City! I've been there now a total of 3 times in the past 2 years and hated everything about it. The traffic, the garbage strewn all over, the smell, the people, etc. This trip only added to it. It cost $6.00 to cross the bridge (which wasn't even paved) onto Staten island! The Golden Gate bridge is only $3.00 and it's a major attraction that people come from all over to see, not to mention that it takes a lot more upkeep to keep it looking the way it does. Then it took us an HOUR just to get off of long island because of traffic, and then it took us almost 2 MORE HOURS to make it up the highway to New Haven, CT because of all the traffic. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (who if he were president, would accidentally let his "finger slip" and nuke NYC off the face of the earth) From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Jul 18 10:54:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 17:54:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 4979 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 17:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 17:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 17:54:42 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 3.196.9fc20eb (3980) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <196.9fc20eb.2a685adb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:54:35 EDT Subject: Kings Island TR:7-18 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 At 9:15pm, my friend Todd Bills pulled up to my house and picked me up and we drove 5 minutes to get to Kings Island, which is how far I live from the park. We got there and immediately headed over to the Top Gun crash site. We couldnt see anything, as probably the debris had been cleaned up already so as to not draw attention to itself. Then we went over to my favorite flat ride, The Flying Eagles. I got a couple of really nice pops on those. Then we closed the night on Tomb Raider:The Ride. A wonderful thrill at Kings Island. I just wanted to post this little short report: A. Because in lieu of whats happened this week, we needed something light, so I wanted to make the world's shortest trip report. B. It was a coasterless trip to Kings Island C. I am sad about CCI Brian, who loves Kings Island the best! From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Jul 18 11:29:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 18:29:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 152 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 18:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 18:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 18:29:57 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id NAA19424; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:29:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:29:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200207181829.NAA19424@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGrAm Part 2 (or, I need to get my fat ass on a diet, and fast!) X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 > > The Ugly: > -SFGrAm's miniature railroad. We did not ride it, but we did see it several times throughout > the day. I remarked how it sounded more like a riding lawn mower than a locomotive, and Dale claims that is because the Illinois EPA (in their infinite stupidity) will not permit steam engines to operate anywhere in the state, (which I sincerely doubt); but I just wonder why this particular park chose not to operate theirs. > Steam trains ARE allowed to operate in the state of Illinois!. Just visit the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Il and you will frequently find steam trains in operation. > -The 6 foot tall weeds in the queue for Viper. I found that entire area of the park very unattractive. How hard would it be to mow that area, or plant some real flowers or something? > Those are NOT weeds! That area is supposed to look like a western prairie, complete with typical prairie plants. If you take a careful look, you will find black-eyed susans, prairie cone-flowers, multi- flora roses, wild zinnias, long blue-stem prairie grass, and a few not so native prairie plants-- queen-anne's lace and alfalfa along with a thistle or two. There are also many other wild flowers there that I cannot identify. Earlier in the season, many of the flowers were in bloom but unfortunately due to this summer's drought, most of that vegitation has gone into its ugly dormant state. Dave Rounds From jzerkel@effingham.net Thu Jul 18 11:47:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 18:47:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 64576 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 18:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 18:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 18:47:50 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.98]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c22e8b$81f2cca0$62b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <200207181829.NAA19424@emerald.jvlnet.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGrAm Part 2 (or, I need to get my fat ass on a diet, and fast!) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:47:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Rounds" > Steam trains ARE allowed to operate in the state of Illinois!. > Just visit the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Il and you will > frequently find steam trains in operation. As I said, I sincerely doubted my friend's claim regarding this. The weekend before my trip, the annual Thresherman's Show was held here at my local county fairgrounds, where there were many antique steam-powered engines operating. But, it WAS obvious that SFGrAm was NOT using steam to power the locomotive on their mini railroad. > > -The 6 foot tall weeds in the queue for Viper. I found that entire > area of the park very unattractive. How hard would it be to mow that > area, or plant some real flowers or something? > > > > Those are NOT weeds! That area is supposed to look like a western > prairie, complete with typical prairie plants. If you take a careful > look, you will find black-eyed susans, prairie cone-flowers, multi- > flora roses, wild zinnias, long blue-stem prairie grass, and a few not > so native prairie plants-- queen-anne's lace and alfalfa along with a > thistle or two. Ahhh.......ahhhhh........ACHOOO! A hayfever sufferer's worst nightmare! From blinkjoeboy@aol.com Thu Jul 18 14:04:10 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: BLiNkjOebOy@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 18 Jul 2002 21:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 70773 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2002 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2002 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2002 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from BLiNkjOebOy@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.63.ea6ca4a (4530) for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63.ea6ca4a.2a688743@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:04:03 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: blinkjoeboy@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=41789028 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterfan862002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is there a website for RCT events and stuff? Joe C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Jul 18 17:03:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 00:03:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 45833 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 00:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 00:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp013.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.57) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 00:03:02 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 00:03:02 -0000 To: Subject: Re: TR: Astroland, NYC July 12 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:00:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >My first ride in 1-4 was over the wheels. (a pseudo-schmeck seat I >thought) Jackhammering like you wouldn't believe is what you get >when you sit over the wheels. No real air, and a wicked slam to the >side on the first turnaround. (I have the scar on my leg to prove >it.) If we were paying per ride, instead of the 3-ride package with >the P-O-P, I would have not ridden again. I agree with the jack hammering in the back seat and with the fact that the laterals are insane...but one of the reasons I love the Cyclone are the laterals in the front seat. >The couple sitting in the last row on our 2nd ride were veterans of >the cyclone and told us. "best seat..." So we decided to sit >together in the last row for our last ride. Again... major >jackhammering over the wheels! In fact, I got jostled so much I >actually ended up crushing my bag at one point! And I didn't carry >anything on the ride with me, if you know what I mean! (use your >imagination) Did one of the people in that couple happen to have a buzz cut and glasses?! Sorry about your package, the Cyclone can be a mean bitch. >I didn't ride this with Jeremy, as these rides make me puke! But I >did grab a picture of him riding and do not remember seeing it >reverse direction. But, much like the Break dance that I also didn't >ride, it did seem to go on forever. The ride cycles at Coney are very long. The Pirate Ship and Enterprise are both never-ending and only for the strong-stomached. Part of the reason for this is that on weekends there is no POP and they feel you should get what you pay for. >I *REALLY* wanted to ride this, but unfortunately it was closed. >This ride looks awesome! That is too bad, but it makes me happy that you at least ventured over there. It is taken care of not that well, but being an Anton it still runs almost perfectly. >They serve Nathan's hotdogs at the cleveland airport (where I work.) >We did get a hotdog at one of the stands, but it was served to me >plain, while Jeremy got his with onions and red peppers at no extra >charge. I can tell you everything tastes better when it comes from the original Nathan's, especially the Manhattan Clam Chowder. >I cannot stand New York City! I've been there now a total of 3 times >in the past 2 years and hated everything about it. The traffic, the >garbage strewn all over, the smell, the people, etc. This trip only >added to it. It cost $6.00 to cross the bridge (which wasn't even >paved) onto Staten island! The Golden Gate bridge is only $3.00 and >it's a major attraction that people come from all over to see, not to >mention that it takes a lot more upkeep to keep it looking the way it >does. Then it took us an HOUR just to get off of long island because >of traffic, and then it took us almost 2 MORE HOURS to make it up the >highway to New Haven, CT because of all the traffic. This could help explain our respective opinions on Coney, too. I am the exact opposite and love cities, especially Coney (most of the places I looked for work last summer were in the NY/NJ area). In addition, most of my major studies in college were based on urban history. Perhaps these are the reasons why I find beauty where others see only a run down world. Regardless, I think everyone should visit Coney at least once and I am glad you guys got to. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Jul 18 17:26:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 00:26:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 66490 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 00:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 00:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 00:26:17 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id TAA04744; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:26:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:26:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200207190026.TAA04744@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Adam's portent of doom X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 Lets look at some other things going on in the park... 1. Power Dive was removed. 2. Most flat rides in Hometown Square removed. 3. Whizzer next? All in a relatively straight line across that section of the park (and just to the south of the train). Any ideas why? I think we need to do an arial survey to see if there are any other signs of change. Dave p.s. If the runors are true, I will also be very disappointed in the loss of a good friend...have taken many first time coaster riders on it. > Say good night, Willard. > > (As in Willard's Whizzer, SFGAm.) > > -B > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Adam Sandy wrote: > > I hate people who do this, but I feel I should share > > what I can (which is very litte). Today I found out > > something that will make most people here very sad > > (no, no one died). I cannot say more at this time but > > I will let you know as soon as I am able. I will say > > that this is something that has been rumored for some > > time on many boards like RRC, URC. > > Sorry to open the door to speculation, > > Adam > > > > ===== > > *************** > > Adam Sandy > > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > > SM-NL > > "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The > Brothers McMullan > > *************** > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- -> > Free $5 Love Reading > Risk Free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/CDIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dave Rounds From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu Jul 18 17:28:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 00:28:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14000 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.199) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 00:28:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:28:17 -0700 Received: from 151.205.80.162 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:28:17 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:28:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2002 00:28:17.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D93D3E0:01C22EBB] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.80.162] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 -- HAHAHAHA in all of this tragedy of a great company falling to it's knees, there's always a bit of comedy to livin' things up... or maybe it's just me. They were never considered a FULL-time coaster company anyways were they? either way it sucks! WHy not vekoma or arrow? oh wait they're shortly behind! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu Jul 18 17:36:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 00:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 36254 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 00:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 00:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.23) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 00:36:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:36:27 -0700 Received: from 151.205.80.162 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 00:36:27 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Astroland, NYC July 12 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:36:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2002 00:36:27.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[51B57110:01C22EBC] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.80.162] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Brian typed FASTER this time around and this is what was sent to Rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com...... Jeremy decided to give me a proverbial kick in the nuts with the > following TR: *snip* > You guys really did miss a lot, it is > too bad you did not walk around a bit. > The Jumbo Jet is worth the price, I *REALLY* wanted to ride this, but unfortunately it was closed. This ride looks awesome! I wanted to ride it too, anton makes nice lil' thrilling rides and this one looked awesome! > a trip down the boardwalk is > interesting to see the parachute jump We parked in that lot. I stopped to read the plaque and Jeremy waited impatiently. uhh i didn't wait impatiently, i tried to get a good picutre of it, turns out only ONE of them even printed, but it was still a nice historical site! jeRemy D. (who's accomplished his ONLY goal in visiting NYC, although I wouldnt' mind going to see a taping of SNL and going to MTV to beat up Carson Daily!) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Jul 18 21:31:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 04:31:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 56462 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 04:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 04:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 04:31:07 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id XAA24945; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:31:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:31:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200207190431.XAA24945@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Goodbye and RIP X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 216.145.204.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 Adam and others, When I saw the story behind this message on the AT web site, all I can say is I was definately shocked. Hopefully the impact on the rest of the industry will be a minimun and someone can pick up the pieces and continue. Dave > I hate people who do this, but I feel I should share > what I can (which is very litte). Today I found out > something that will make most people here very sad > (no, no one died). I cannot say more at this time but > I will let you know as soon as I am able. I will say > that this is something that has been rumored for some > time on many boards like RRC, URC. > Sorry to open the door to speculation, > Adam > > ===== > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > SM-NL > "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan > *************** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- -> > Free $5 Love Reading > Risk Free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/CDIolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ~-> > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Dave Rounds From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Jul 18 23:34:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 06:34:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 43799 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 06:34:57 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 5.163.10e697c5 (4012) for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <163.10e697c5.2a690d08@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:34:48 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/2002 8:28:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, coasterclown@hotmail.com writes: > - time, > I can't say I'm surprised if this is true. >- > > HAHAHAHA in all of this tragedy of a great company falling to it's knees, > there's always a bit of comedy to livin' things up... or maybe it's just me. > > I think it's just you. There's no humor in that. I can't say I'm surprised after studying the fads in the industry. nothing is secure in the amusement business. --Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From KristyJSM@aol.com Fri Jul 19 09:38:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KristyJSM@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 16:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 61126 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 16:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 16:38:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 16:38:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2002 16:38:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:38:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: SFGrAm Part 2 (or, I need to get my fat ass on a diet, and fast!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207181829.NAA19424@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kristyjsm" X-Originating-IP: 141.154.106.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61734350 X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm > > -The 6 foot tall weeds in the queue for Viper. I found that entire > area of the park very unattractive. How hard would it be to mow that > area, or plant some real flowers or something? > > > > Those are NOT weeds! That area is supposed to look like a western > prairie, complete with typical prairie plants. If you take a careful > look, you will find... My husband's definition of a weed: If it doesn't look like the grass on the fairway and it's not a tree- than it's a week. So according to my husband I cultivate weeds all over the yard... Yes and if the 'weed' is not in bloom most often it doesn't look too good. From IOASpiderman@aol.com Fri Jul 19 11:09:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 18:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16528 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.41.2062af44 (4446) for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41.2062af44.2a69afd1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:09:21 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Astroland, NYC July 12 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64046551 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman <<> This was absolutely insane! If i rated flats, i'd give it an 8.5! > they ran it forever, with NELLY and other R&B/hip hop jams blasting > overhead. The ops were dancing along the side and singing along, it made for > a great ride... i got off this thing and couldn't walk.. no lie i had to > hold on to the nearest railing... after that we rode the skytower and were > headed out of that crap hole of a city! As the number of people who have ridden the Break Dance grows so will its reputation. >> Hold on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the one with the cows vehicles at great adventure, right next to viper? If it is, I am missing whats so great about it. The first 10 or 15 seconds isn't bad, but after that, the cars spin the same exact way every time. Either that or Great Adventure is running a crappy program that only makes the entire platform turn at a constant speed- do the better ones make quick small changes in speed to throw the movement / rotation of the ride vehicles to make the movement more random? Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 11:37:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Jul 2002 18:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 51956 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2002 18:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2002 18:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2002 18:37:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020719183729.50033.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:37:29 PDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: TR: Astroland, NYC July 12 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <41.2062af44.2a69afd1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Hold on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the > one with the cows vehicles > at great adventure, right next to viper? If it is, > I am missing whats so > great about it. The first 10 or 15 seconds isn't > bad, but after that, the > cars spin the same exact way every time. Either > that or Great Adventure is > running a crappy program that only makes the entire > platform turn at a > constant speed- do the better ones make quick small > changes in speed to throw > the movement / rotation of the ride vehicles to make > the movement more > random? Mike- You hit the nail on the head. The version at Coney runs on manual control- no computer-controlled sequence. This way the main turntable is slowed and sped up as are the indiviual groups of cars. I had several rides where toward the end the main turntable stopped all together and they just ran the small turntables at top speed. The speed variations are key to make this from a fun ride (Scrambler-esque) to something that is intense. In addition, the trailer-mounted versions like Coney have the entire main turntable at one angle: http://history.amusement-parks.com/users/adamsandy/CISummer01/breakdance.jpg while the park models feature more of a platform that has four panels that rise to a point in the center. I like the trailer-mounted slant because it seems to create a little more irregularity in the car positioning. Do yourself a favor and get to Coney! Adam who could ride the Break Dance all day with POP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Jul 19 22:35:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 05:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 69706 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 05:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 05:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.158) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 05:35:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:35:54 -0700 Received: from 24.49.140.227 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:35:53 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: TR- SFNE Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:35:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2002 05:35:54.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[50DC6AC0:01C22FAF] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.140.227] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros On Thursday, I went to Six Flags New England with 3 of my friends from work. Since I'm an Operations Supervisor at The Great Escape and I'm directly involved with daily operations, I am going to have a hard time writing a trip report for one of my sister parks from the perspective of a guest. I went to the park for a change of scenery on my day off, and we all ended up having a good time. I'm going to try and refrain from commenting on the operations and focus on the rides. Six Flags New England is definitely a park I enjoy, especially when it's not busy. It wasn't busy at all on Thursday, and the weather was very hot and sunny. The lines weren't long and we were able to enjoy everything we wanted to see within 6 hours or so. Superman is still amazing and it's still my #1 coaster. They were running two trains which was extremely pleasing, and the line was only about 25 minutes long for the back seat. I can't express just how much I love Superman- it's insanely extreme and beautifully smooth. We rode twice, once in the back and again later in the front. I think I prefer the front seat simply for the 2nd camelback after the overbanked turn- the airtime is insane at that point. Superman does NOT want you in the train. He violently attempts to throw you out numerous times throughout the ride. I love it. The first drop on Darien's version is definitely more extreme, though. Scream was running the combo program on the two newest towers. We only waited 10 minutes, which was very reasonable. I prefer Intamin Giant Drops, but Scream is definitely my favorite S&S ride. I'd probably like S&S towers more if they all ran the combo program. As I mentioned before, it was very hot while we were there. My friends wanted to ride a water ride, so I suggested Blizzard River. I'm not a big fan of water rides because I HATE walking around wet all day, and I loathe walking around with wet shoes. I'm not a big fan of wearing sandals to amusement parks because I don't like how people's feet always get sweaty and dirty in sandals. I was wearing shoes and sneakers, so I wasn't all about being dragged on Blizzard River (the other option was Shipwreck Falls, and I wasn't having anything to do with that). Anyway, it was my first time on Blizzard River and I ended up loving it! It is a beautifully executed River Rapids attraction, all the way from the actual ride to the modest themeing. I liked how the boats came into a straight continuously-moving platform instead of a nauseating circular platform like the Intamin rides. I also enjoyed how the lift is in the beginning of the ride which isn't anti-climatic like the Intamin rides. The best thing about Blizzard River was all the fog- the trough of water is covered in fog, so you have no idea where you are going or when you were going to get wet. It looked like steaming ice, which was a cool effect (no pun intended). The actual ride itself wasn't bad- very choppy, pretty wild, but dry enough where I didn't come off soaked. My shoes stayed dry and the rest of my body dried within a half-hour, so I was a pretty happy camper. Cyclone was only running one train, but we only waited 3 trains for the 2nd to last seat (which is by far the best seat on the train). I was VERY impressed with Cyclone this year! It wasn't rough or jackhammering at all in my favorite seat, and the airtime was still as psychotic as ever. The train just SLAMS away from you, it's absolutely insane. Bill Cobb suffered a beautiful psychosis where he wanted to scare the hell out of coaster-riders. I still miss the original drop/turn/drop sequence, but the rest of the ride still remains just as insane as it always was. Cyclone is definitely my favorite wooden coaster because it's so sick. Is there a new trim brake in the beginning of the spaghetti-bowl section, after the third straight drop? My friend and I also rode the Skycoaster. He's on the Skycoaster crew at The Great Escape and I'm the Senior Site Controller, so we wanted to see how their operation compared to ours. We definitely weren't impressed with SFNE's baby Skycoaster, but it was free so we enjoyed talking Skycoaster with the crew. If you're looking for a Skycoaster, go down the road to Lake Compounce and ride their 180 foot A-Frame model, which is much nicer. Batman: The Dark Night was only running one train as well. Here's where I'm going to talk operations for a second. Now, the wait was only about 20 minutes for the back seat with one train, so I wasn't too concerned. I think that they definitely should have been running two trains on their brand new coaster, but I understand why they didn't. Six Flags New England doesn't have a problem cutting down on staffing and capacity if they think that they simply don't need the second train... that's the old Riverside influence. I don't necessarily agree, but that's where Six Flags as a whole differs from Cedar Fair, Busch Gardens, and Paramount Parks. Since the ride is so short, I'm not sure if a 2nd train would have really increased capacity that much. Anyway, a 2nd train should have been operating, but it didn't bother me that much since the line was short and the crew was quick to dispatch the train. I was really impressed with Batman. It WASN'T forceless, which is weird for a new B&M coaster! It's not Batman The Ride, but it does pull some nice G's! It was definitely refreshing and the lack of a midcourse brake made for a nice finale. It may just be my favorite floorless coaster, and it's definitely a compliment to SFNE. I've been on three different floorless coasters (Medusa, Knight Flight, and Dark Night), and I like each of them for their own reasons. I like B:DK for it's concise, intense ride. It's a very well-presented ride too, featuring nice landscaping and some minimal themeing. The station really isn't big enough though, especially for a ride that features 4-abreast seating. Batman is no Superman, but it IS a really good ride and I look forward to riding again. There was some minimal headbanging in the first corkscrew and a more violent jolt in the second corkscrew, which is a bit disappointing for a new B&M coaster. We also rode Mind Eraser which was running pretty well in the front seat but not so well anywhere else. My friends definitely hated it, but I'm a small fan of SLCs, so I enjoyed it. I definitely hit my guys on the knob that sits between your legs, and I was not happy about that. Despite the fact that the lines were short, that's all we rode! It was hot and we were all tired, so I don't think our bodies had enough energy to successfully endure some of my other favorites, such as Twister, Time Warp, and Tomahawk. I'm sad that we skipped over Thunderbolt, but it's nothing that I'm dying to ride at this point and something that I have ridden many times in the past. My friends decided that they wanted to have dinner in Boston, so we drove out to Boston (well, I slept in the car) and met up with one of my co-worker's friends and enjoyed some drinks and a nice dinner in Boston. Over the course of the past few years, I definitely turned into an operations-guy and less of a coaster enthusiast. The conditions were PERFECT for riding, but we only stayed 6 hours. The line for Superman was only in the station by the end of the night, and they were NOT stapling at all, but I still agreed to go to Boston instead. I definitely love parks just as much as I ever did, but I'm more interested in different aspects of theme parks now instead of riding as many rides as I can. I think I really like SFNE more now than I ever did, since they have so many cool rides that I enjoy riding. I'm not worried about missing time there, as I know I'll be back later in the season where I can get more riding done. Thanks for reading! Chris K. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From IheartGODandGOV@aol.com Sat Jul 20 00:37:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Jul 2002 07:37:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6970 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2002 07:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2002 07:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2002 07:37:47 -0000 Received: from IheartGODandGOV@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 1.bb.2337adcf (4553) for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:37:42 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR- SFNE To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IheartGODandGOV@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=117071429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/02 1:37:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, supermanros@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Six Flags New England is definitely a park I enjoy, especially when it's > not > busy. It wasn't busy at all on Thursday, and the weather was very hot and > sunny. The lines weren't long and we were able to enjoy everything we > wanted to see within 6 hours or so. ive been there many (many) times this year and this is deffinatly a recurring theme for some reason. the park gets really really crowded but nobody goes on any of the rides. supermans wait is always within the covered part of the switchbacks...sometimes in a rather odd way that only allows line jumpers to enter (brian and jeremy will understand) and most other rides have really short lines. even on the few sundays that i went the wait was only about 20-45 minutes with 1 train(very efficient crew however), and ive waited over 2 with 2 trains before. > > Superman is still amazing and it's still my #1 coaster. They were running > two trains which was extremely pleasing, and the line was only about 25 > minutes long for the back seat. I can't express just how much I love > Superman- it's insanely extreme and beautifully smooth. We rode twice, > once > in the back and again later in the front. I think I prefer the front seat > simply for the 2nd camelback after the overbanked turn- the airtime is > insane at that point. Superman does NOT want you in the train. He > violently attempts to throw you out numerous times throughout the ride. I > love it. i have always said that this is definatly my favorite part of the ride. the "on ride photo stand drop" (i call it the orp for short) is definatly the best moment of airtime i have ever had (please note that this excludes all other wooden and steel coasters and is therefore only relative to sros) > > Scream was running the combo program on the two newest towers. We only > waited 10 minutes, which was very reasonable. I prefer Intamin Giant > Drops, > but Scream is definitely my favorite S&S ride. I'd probably like S&S > towers > more if they all ran the combo program. > it is alot of fun, especially at supermania when i just sat on it for about 7 rides in a row...then i left and chilled in thunderbolt for the rest of the ride...it was way to cold to be that high up and exposed...that and thunderbolt is a great, great ride. (especially when the ride ops not a nazi and they let you sit in the back seat) > As I mentioned before, it was very hot while we were there. My friends > wanted to ride a water ride, so I suggested Blizzard River. I'm not a big > fan of water rides because I HATE walking around wet all day, and I loathe > walking around with wet shoes. I'm not a big fan of wearing sandals to > amusement parks because I don't like how people's feet always get sweaty > and > dirty in sandals. I was wearing shoes and sneakers, so I wasn't all about > being dragged on Blizzard River (the other option was Shipwreck Falls, and > I > wasn't having anything to do with that). Anyway, it was my first time on > Blizzard River and I ended up loving it! It is a beautifully executed > River > Rapids attraction, all the way from the actual ride to the modest themeing. > > I liked how the boats came into a straight continuously-moving platform > instead of a nauseating circular platform like the Intamin rides. I also > enjoyed how the lift is in the beginning of the ride which isn't > anti-climatic like the Intamin rides. The best thing about Blizzard River > was all the fog- the trough of water is covered in fog, so you have no idea > > where you are going or when you were going to get wet. It looked like > steaming ice, which was a cool effect (no pun intended). The actual ride > itself wasn't bad- very choppy, pretty wild, but dry enough where I didn't > come off soaked. My shoes stayed dry and the rest of my body dried within > a > half-hour, so I was a pretty happy camper. > blizzard river is alot of fun, and those giant menacing penguins are really funny looking. however, i dont remember the fog that your talking about, maybe it just wasnt on when i rode cause ive only rode this 3 or so times. (and none this year) > Cyclone was only running one train, but we only waited 3 trains for the 2nd > to last seat (which is by far the best seat on the train). I was VERY > impressed with Cyclone this year! It wasn't rough or jackhammering at all > in my favorite seat, and the airtime was still as psychotic as ever. The > train just SLAMS away from you, it's absolutely insane. Bill Cobb suffered > > a beautiful psychosis where he wanted to scare the hell out of > coaster-riders. I still miss the original drop/turn/drop sequence, but the > > rest of the ride still remains just as insane as it always was. Cyclone is > > definitely my favorite wooden coaster because it's so sick. Is there a new > > trim brake in the beginning of the spaghetti-bowl section, after the third > straight drop? yes they did and it completly ruined (one of) my favorite part(s) of the ride. that one drop/turn right inside of the far turnaround was so crazy, but now its just boring. however the straight bunnyhop with the supports flying around you is still intact and crazy, as is the drop that you talk about (which is the 5th time the car makes a downward motion). however the first drop was one of the smoothest parts of the ride which still makes me mad...the new horshoeturn thing is really dumb in any seat other than the back-ish. i know it was 2 years ago but it still makes me mad. cyclone still is a good ride, but i find the ptcs more uncomfortable and worse overall than the morgans. the morgans were fine as long as you sat in the frontseat of a car. the 2 pos. bar w/o belts gave some of the most insane air ive ever felt on almost every drop (1 and 5 especially) but now the ptc are just way to heavy and the ratcheting bar and belt kills almost all of the air. and the way the bar goes on your outer leg makes all the lats pretty painfull (and there are a bunch of them) but overall it is stil a great ride, deffinatly worth a bunch of trys and the wait is usually small...it just makes me so mad because its such a pale shadow of its former self. > > My friend and I also rode the Skycoaster. He's on the Skycoaster crew at > The Great Escape and I'm the Senior Site Controller, so we wanted to see > how > their operation compared to ours. We definitely weren't impressed with > SFNE's baby Skycoaster, but it was free so we enjoyed talking Skycoaster > with the crew. If you're looking for a Skycoaster, go down the road to > Lake > Compounce and ride their 180 foot A-Frame model, which is much nicer. > i have yet to ride the LC model, but this one is deffitly alot of fun, and not all to scary. and how did you ride for free? was it just because of your jb or was it some special deal or something? > Batman: The Dark Night was only running one train as well. i have only seen 2 train operation twice of the 6 times ive been there this season. it isnt completly necissary but with crews as slow as theirs it really doeshelp a lot. by deffinition 2 train operation has to cut time at least in half...i have proven this fact but it takes a while and its 3 in the morning. > Now, the wait was only about 20 > minutes for the back seat with one train, so I wasn't too concerned. I > think that they definitely should have been running two trains on their > brand new coaster, but I understand why they didn't. Six Flags New England > > doesn't have a problem cutting down on staffing and capacity if they think > that they simply don't need the second train... that's the old Riverside > influence. I don't necessarily agree, but that's where Six Flags as a > whole > differs from Cedar Fair, Busch Gardens, and Paramount Parks. Since the > ride > is so short, I'm not sure if a 2nd train would have really increased > capacity that much. Anyway, a 2nd train should have been operating, but it > > didn't bother me that much since the line was short and the crew was quick > to dispatch the train. I was really impressed with Batman. It WASN'T > forceless, which is weird for a new B&M coaster! It's not Batman The Ride, > > but it does pull some nice G's! It was definitely refreshing and the lack > of a midcourse brake made for a nice finale. It may just be my favorite > floorless coaster, and it's definitely a compliment to SFNE. I've been on > three different floorless coasters (Medusa, Knight Flight, and Dark Night), > > and I like each of them for their own reasons. I like B:DK for it's > concise, intense ride. It's a very well-presented ride too, featuring nice > > landscaping and some minimal themeing. the landscaping is ok but im not seeing the themeing. they just kind of tell you its batman and leave the rest up to you. those board things with the characters are the most annoying things ever because theyr so boring and they hold up the line with the slow readers. and the only other themeing objects are the 2 statues and the bat symbol on the entrace floor (which is fun to slide around on in the rain. cough lawsuit soon cough. but other than that and the faux gothic type architecture there is no theming at all. The station really isn't big enough > though, especially for a ride that > features 4-abreast seating. Batman is no Superman, but it IS a really good > ride and I look forward to riding again. > There was some minimal headbanging in the first corkscrew and a more > violent > jolt in the second corkscrew, which is a bit disappointing for a new B&M > coaster. > the station is very poorly desined i think. there is no rome to wait for a certain seat, so they dont let you. they have been assigning seats everytime ive been there (however i have never ridden in a seat other than front or back...dont know how this worked out but it did) however i have found that the ride is alot less bumpy the farther right you go (with the right-middle being the best). but over all this is a great new coaster and alot of fun. many times i have come off of this very very dissey, but also sometimes i come of fine sitting in the same seat. There is alot of vibration that i have noticed and also a lud squeaking noise while threading the loop...which is why i perfer the roar to the quiet. but overal; this is deffinaty a great ride that i enjoy more and more everytime i ride it...i just really wish that there was a helix before the ending because it would fit so well, eat up a little more speed, and also provide a good alternative from the anticlimatic flatspin turn that they have. for some reason the ending just feels forced, un natural, and anticlimatic. but i guess theres a valid reason *cough money cough* for them to not have it. > We also rode Mind Eraser which was running pretty well in the front seat but > > not so well anywhere else. My friends definitely hated it, but I'm a small > > fan of SLCs, so I enjoyed it. I definitely hit my guys on the knob that > sits between your legs, and I was not happy about that. > have yet to ride this this year...pintless coment > Despite the fact that the lines were short, that's all we rode! It was hot > and we were all tired, so I don't think our bodies had enough energy to > successfully endure some of my other favorites, such as Twister, Time Warp, > > and Tomahawk. I'm sad that we skipped over Thunderbolt, but it's nothing > that I'm dying to ride at this point and something that I have ridden many > times in the past. > do you have something against rides that start with T ??? thunderbolt is an excelent coaster (top 15 wood list for me...actual number eludes me) and the twister is running insane this year. it just keeps flipping and flipping all the way to the ground and then i have actually gotten a flip durring the oscilations due to the breaks being so worn (also probably the reason for so many flips...SF cheapness pays off!!!) but this ride is just running so good this year. time warp really does blow though, its not worth a ride at all. i almost died on it once (seat belt saved my life when the restraint gave out while being stuck upside down...and i only weigh 160 (probably 130 at the time) that was a scary moment I think I really > like SFNE more now than I ever did, since they have so > many cool rides that I enjoy riding. I'm not worried about missing time > there, as I know I'll be > back later in the season where I can get more riding done. > > well next time you come down be sure to let me know in advance. i really am starting to appreciat this park and would love to meet up with as many listers as posible now that i have come to terms with the fact that I WONT BE AT THE RCT EVENT. but maybe i can make PPP if someone here wants to pick me up in philly (go drexel drangons!!!!) that was a looooong reply. many of you probably gave up a while ago...anyway im glad you had a great trip and thanks for the TR mike -who is signing off of the list with this name, then signing on with mike_ska@yahoo.com as a digest-fool because he will be losing this aol account and thusly internet acsess...oh and mike also had college orientation these past 2 days (300+ guys and only 20 girls (only 4 attractive)...why am i in engineering school again?) and on the way home stoped at SFGrAdv for a while with a new freind miniTR coming up soon (then again none of my TRs come out mini and none of them ever get replys...that makes me mad. i want a reply similar to this one for my next 2 TRs garunteed...or else i quit...nah nevermind.) good night [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sat Jul 20 17:26:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 00:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 87269 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 00:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 00:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 00:26:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:26:25 -0700 Received: from 207.68.84.212 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:26:25 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: TR: July 12 Six Flags New England Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:26:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 00:26:25.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FBED040:01C2304D] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.84.212] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 After leaving Astroland and setting through HOURS of traffic. WE finally made it up to the Taco Bell where, Coasterpunk Mike... not Coasterman Mike, was waiting for us. We then got to the park at around 6:45 or so, either way we weren't going to have enough time to enjoy SFNE, so we already made the plans of coming back early the next morning and going to Lake Compounce that night (which was a better plan). We headed straight for the man in charge.... SUPERMAN! Superman: Ride of Steel (2000 Intamin, everyone knows about this sweet piece of steel) +9.5 Almost PURE perfection! This thing is amazing, nothing else can be said about this coaster excpet AWESOME! One of my favorite parts was going into the tunnel and coming out into the 2nd hill, it was almost like by the time the fog cleared, you were being shoved out of your seat and not knowing what was going on! it was great, as well as the MoFo turn and the next few hills that came after that. After a few re-rides and wiating in the short 25 minute line, I decided that this was another one of the Intamin's that I actually perfered in the FRONT! (this, S:UE, Volcano,and V2); (Companred to BACKSEAT INtamIN's like MoFo,S:ROS (SFA), Wicked Twister, Skull MOuntain,Dis.Trans....) ANyways this ride is just everything that it was believed to be, damn near perfection! Still not taking over the NUMBER 1 spot (sorry Chris K. ;)... Millennium Force is still #1 because it's MORE re-rideable). But it comes in at a close (almost near tied) number 2... totally changed up my top 10 list (i think pushing B:TR or B:KF out of the top 10) Next we were on to ... POISON IVY'S TWISTER TRAIN...usual Ziere Six Flags coaster.... 2 points for the credit and an extra 3 for having such awesome themeing (not to mention the provacative picutre of Poison Ivy leaning over the entrance to were MANY small children enter.. hmmm) Besides S:ROS, I've been waiting to try out Batman: Dark Knight ever since I saw the BADNITRUS video for it. since then I have had an obsession over this awesome lookign compact BM coaster. There were 2 NEW FOR 2002 Coasters that I wanted to ride this year and never thought I would ever get on them. Well after this trip I can say that I've ridden both and surprised by both. (Superman: Ultimate Flight and Batman: Dark Knight... both B&M's) But after Corey told me it was rough and sucked, i was kinda disapointed, and since NO ONE ever talked about it after opening weekend, i was kinda skeptical, but seeing as how Corey isn't that reliable, I decided to finally get up here and try it out. I had plans of comign up to SFNE and LC on my graudation trip, but after talkign with AFLAC before hand, we decided to save that for a lil' road trip (which is what i'm in the middle of talking about). BATMAN: DARK KNIGHT +8 (2002 B&M Floorless) I recieved 3 rides over my 2 day visit. The first 2 in the front seat and the last in the back. This ride is quick great and a lil' shaky towards the end. But nothing to complain to Claude about. I LOVED the turn after the dive loop inside of the vertical (ron) Loop. If anyone knows me, they'll know why i love Batman: Knight Flight so much, because of the low-groundhugging- High Speed Turn... it's great and having this coaster with a not-so-low-but-still-sweet-turn AND a ZERO G-ROLL (my fav inversion) which ALMOST makes this ride set up kinda high on the ol' top 15 list.... but there are a lil' better turns on Medusa after the midcourse that make me kinda like it better, although Medusa is one hell of a headbanger (imo). Either way this is a great ride and well worth the trip up to SFNE (that and of course S:ROS) We then walked up to a wooden coaster with the sign saying "RIDE THE THUNDERBOLT" ... so we did. Thunderbolt (1941... claims bulit by PTC, but Mike says different...) +6 Believed to be a great ride in the back, we never got that chance and were forced into a front seat ride. AFter attempting to climb in this coaster, and laying my hand on Mike's bar and making it hit his leg and causing him to almost fall, I felt like an ass and got in my seat. Our ride was rather smooth, surprising from an older (non coaster company ending in a.... CI). But a backseat ride would've given this a chance to really do something. The next day we ran to S:ROS and waited in the 40 minute line and got a quick re-ride because no one was in our line (stupid GP won't move into the station). We then hit up these famous SFNE credits .... Flashback, Mind Eraser, Great Chase and then we came to the painful.... (sorry again Chris K.)..... Cyclone (1983 Cobb crapterpiece) +4 I dont know how good this thing USED to be, but the ride I recieved was downright painful with akward air time (more akward then the ol' Big Dipper at SFWoA). I dont even know how to describe the ride that I got, but i do remember it being painful and NOT something that i'd want to do again. Now i'll state again that I'm a fan of Lats, but whatever this coaster has was nothing but painful jolts that didn't feel too good. Sorry to all of you RIVERSIDE CYCLONE fans ( guess this whole trip wasn't good for anything named CYLCONE huh adam? hehe) We then opted for a final ride on S:ROS in the front seat, and boy was it worth the additional wait. After walking thorugh the que with a SUPERTOOL: Dork of Steel in front of us, we made it to the front for probablly the BEST ride we ever had, with the man behind us screaming HELP all the way through the ride and ended up losing his shoe by the time we hit the brakes, it was a very humorus ride with a GREAT view! We then rode SCREAM (a good S&S Tower, the combo side), and waited while everyone only went to the que for the 1st tower, not knowing that there were 2 other towers I guess... i saw them from all over the park, i dont know what there problem must have been. ANyways we left and were on our way to LAKE COMPOUNCE!!! jeRemy D. -who always procrastinates on his TRs and feels like Mike C. because no one replys to his, unless Adam gets mad and posts....- jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sat Jul 20 17:26:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 00:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 64954 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 00:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 00:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.127) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 00:26:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:26:26 -0700 Received: from 207.68.84.212 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:26:26 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: TR: July 12 Six Flags New England Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:26:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 00:26:26.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[40482480:01C2304D] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.84.212] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 After leaving Astroland and setting through HOURS of traffic. WE finally made it up to the Taco Bell where, Coasterpunk Mike... not Coasterman Mike, was waiting for us. We then got to the park at around 6:45 or so, either way we weren't going to have enough time to enjoy SFNE, so we already made the plans of coming back early the next morning and going to Lake Compounce that night (which was a better plan). We headed straight for the man in charge.... SUPERMAN! Superman: Ride of Steel (2000 Intamin, everyone knows about this sweet piece of steel) +9.5 Almost PURE perfection! This thing is amazing, nothing else can be said about this coaster excpet AWESOME! One of my favorite parts was going into the tunnel and coming out into the 2nd hill, it was almost like by the time the fog cleared, you were being shoved out of your seat and not knowing what was going on! it was great, as well as the MoFo turn and the next few hills that came after that. After a few re-rides and wiating in the short 25 minute line, I decided that this was another one of the Intamin's that I actually perfered in the FRONT! (this, S:UE, Volcano,and V2); (Companred to BACKSEAT INtamIN's like MoFo,S:ROS (SFA), Wicked Twister, Skull MOuntain,Dis.Trans....) ANyways this ride is just everything that it was believed to be, damn near perfection! Still not taking over the NUMBER 1 spot (sorry Chris K. ;)... Millennium Force is still #1 because it's MORE re-rideable). But it comes in at a close (almost near tied) number 2... totally changed up my top 10 list (i think pushing B:TR or B:KF out of the top 10) Next we were on to ... POISON IVY'S TWISTER TRAIN...usual Ziere Six Flags coaster.... 2 points for the credit and an extra 3 for having such awesome themeing (not to mention the provacative picutre of Poison Ivy leaning over the entrance to were MANY small children enter.. hmmm) Besides S:ROS, I've been waiting to try out Batman: Dark Knight ever since I saw the BADNITRUS video for it. since then I have had an obsession over this awesome lookign compact BM coaster. There were 2 NEW FOR 2002 Coasters that I wanted to ride this year and never thought I would ever get on them. Well after this trip I can say that I've ridden both and surprised by both. (Superman: Ultimate Flight and Batman: Dark Knight... both B&M's) But after Corey told me it was rough and sucked, i was kinda disapointed, and since NO ONE ever talked about it after opening weekend, i was kinda skeptical, but seeing as how Corey isn't that reliable, I decided to finally get up here and try it out. I had plans of comign up to SFNE and LC on my graudation trip, but after talkign with AFLAC before hand, we decided to save that for a lil' road trip (which is what i'm in the middle of talking about). BATMAN: DARK KNIGHT +8 (2002 B&M Floorless) I recieved 3 rides over my 2 day visit. The first 2 in the front seat and the last in the back. This ride is quick great and a lil' shaky towards the end. But nothing to complain to Claude about. I LOVED the turn after the dive loop inside of the vertical (ron) Loop. If anyone knows me, they'll know why i love Batman: Knight Flight so much, because of the low-groundhugging- High Speed Turn... it's great and having this coaster with a not-so-low-but-still-sweet-turn AND a ZERO G-ROLL (my fav inversion) which ALMOST makes this ride set up kinda high on the ol' top 15 list.... but there are a lil' better turns on Medusa after the midcourse that make me kinda like it better, although Medusa is one hell of a headbanger (imo). Either way this is a great ride and well worth the trip up to SFNE (that and of course S:ROS) We then walked up to a wooden coaster with the sign saying "RIDE THE THUNDERBOLT" ... so we did. Thunderbolt (1941... claims bulit by PTC, but Mike says different...) +6 Believed to be a great ride in the back, we never got that chance and were forced into a front seat ride. AFter attempting to climb in this coaster, and laying my hand on Mike's bar and making it hit his leg and causing him to almost fall, I felt like an ass and got in my seat. Our ride was rather smooth, surprising from an older (non coaster company ending in a.... CI). But a backseat ride would've given this a chance to really do something. The next day we ran to S:ROS and waited in the 40 minute line and got a quick re-ride because no one was in our line (stupid GP won't move into the station). We then hit up these famous SFNE credits .... Flashback, Mind Eraser, Great Chase and then we came to the painful.... (sorry again Chris K.)..... Cyclone (1983 Cobb crapterpiece) +4 I dont know how good this thing USED to be, but the ride I recieved was downright painful with akward air time (more akward then the ol' Big Dipper at SFWoA). I dont even know how to describe the ride that I got, but i do remember it being painful and NOT something that i'd want to do again. Now i'll state again that I'm a fan of Lats, but whatever this coaster has was nothing but painful jolts that didn't feel too good. Sorry to all of you RIVERSIDE CYCLONE fans ( guess this whole trip wasn't good for anything named CYLCONE huh adam? hehe) We then opted for a final ride on S:ROS in the front seat, and boy was it worth the additional wait. After walking thorugh the que with a SUPERTOOL: Dork of Steel in front of us, we made it to the front for probablly the BEST ride we ever had, with the man behind us screaming HELP all the way through the ride and ended up losing his shoe by the time we hit the brakes, it was a very humorus ride with a GREAT view! We then rode SCREAM (a good S&S Tower, the combo side), and waited while everyone only went to the que for the 1st tower, not knowing that there were 2 other towers I guess... i saw them from all over the park, i dont know what there problem must have been. ANyways we left and were on our way to LAKE COMPOUNCE!!! jeRemy D. -who always procrastinates on his TRs and feels like Mike C. because no one replys to his, unless Adam gets mad and posts....- jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 17:50:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 00:50:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 62381 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 00:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 00:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp015.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.59) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 00:50:35 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 00:50:35 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: NEWS: More bad news, bye bye Whizzer Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:47:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Well, what many guessed as the first set of bad news I had a few days ago has been confirmed. My friend Mark, one of my fellow travelers on the California trip, recently confirmed on URC that Whizzer is indeed ending operation on August 11th. Some of you may be saying, why should I believe that? All I will say is that I have known him for some time and because the news came from him am seriously considering making my first trip to SFGAm that weekend. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 18:43:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 01:43:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 86882 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 01:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 01:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 01:43:50 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 01:43:49 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: TR: Notes and Observations from Lake Winnie- July 20, 2002 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:40:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Having gone to a different college than my sister I have not gotten to see her a lot over the last few years. This is why I have enjoyed having her intern in the city where I live this summer; it makes it nice to see her a lot before see graduates and moves who knows where. Seeing as she has not been to a lot of parks, never been to a traditional park and that we had not been to a park together in 5 years I thought it would be nice to visit a smaller park. So, today we hit up Lake Winnie for several hours and enjoyed the nice (albeit hot) day. I did a long TR last fall, so I will just list a couple of observations from the day. Here are the rides we took on (in order): Wild Lighting (L&T Wild Mouse) Paratrooper (Hrubetz Paratrooper) Orbiter (Tivoli Orbiter) Alpine Way (Hopkins[?] Sky ride) Fly-O-Plane (Eyerly Fly-O-Plane) Boat Chute (In house Boat Chute) Matterhorn (Mack Petersburger Schlittenfahrt) Pirate (Sartori Pirate Ship) Carousel (PTC Carousel) Yankee Cannonball (Allen/PTC Out & Back) Castle (Bill Tracey[?] dark ride Genie (Round up, manufacturer unknown) Tilt-a-Whirl (Sellner) Wild Lighting: This was my sister’s first wild mouse and she was very glad I told her to hang on! A very fun ride and I still stand by the statement that this is one of the best-run mice in the country. Paratrooper: Another first for her (the trend of the day). Not the fastest out there, but still a fun experience. Orbiter: This is how an Orbiter is supposed to run! A fast and fun ride that is a little disorienting. Fly-O-Plane: The most violent of the O-Plane series, the only ride that will hang you upside down if you let it. Boat Chute: Other than bad capacity, this is one of my favorites in the park. The splashdown at the end is just so fun. Matterhorn: An old park version where we got a long cycle. Pirate: A swinging ship ride, this one is great! They usually give a long cycle, but this one was made longer because only one of the tires was working. For people who may not know, most ships are accelerated/decelerated by two tires that alternate popping up. On the one at Lake Winnie only one direction worked, so it took twice as long to speed up and slow down. The nice placement next to the lake only made the ride better. Carousel: A nice (and rare) PTC 4-row machine, this runs nicely but could use a little paint. Yankee Cannonball: Typical John Allen, our ride in 1.2 was full of floater air, especially notable on the bunny hop after the first drop and the return hop into the station. As always, a coaster the whole family can enjoy. The Castle: An ok dark ride, but this could use some TLC. I know most parks do not like to put much more than necessary into an existing attraction, but working with someone from Knoebels or DAFE could turn this into one of the park’s marquee attractions. Genie: We got a LONG ride cycle on this round up...we spun flat on the ground for around 2 minutes. Between the spinning and the sun this was the first flat ride in a while that has bothered me. Tilt-a-Whirl: Well, my stomach must not have felt too bad because we ended the day on a well-maintained tilt- another long ride cycle with lots of spinning. It is amazing how much fun a simple ride like this can be. The best part of the trip was the soda. The soda? Yes, the soda. Like Knoebels, I found that Lake Winnie sells smalls that are actually small and the prices were reasonable ($1.00, $1.50 and $2.00 for a large). It is nice when you do not go through $20-plus dollars in drinks alone as I did earlier this summer. Overall it was another great day at Lake Winnie. It is nice to have such a great park only two hours away since no park exists in Nashville. In addition, I enjoyed showing my sister the “mom and pop” side of the amusement park world. I believe that ACE will be having another day at Lake Winnie this September, so if you are in the area be sure to spend the day at the Lake- you won’t regret it. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Jul 20 21:29:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 04:29:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 99967 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 04:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 04:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 04:29:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 1781 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Jul 2002 03:36:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20020721033612.1780.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Great day at Six Flags Great America To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:36:12 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi there.. There have been several TR from visitors to Six Flags Great America, so I will skip all the gorey details.. I will say that it was an awesome day (Well .. evening, we didn't get there until 7). The lines are moving, the staff was awesome, and the park had a really good feel. Oh, the brakes on Eagle barely kissed the train (even the set before the final helix). We ended the night with a totally kick-ass ride on Whizzer (after a 30 minute wait .. The line was full of parents with young kids .. Removing that ride will be disasterous for the park..). Anyway, I'm going to head back there on August 11th and spend the evening riding Whizzer .. Not some sort of lame protest (if it is being removed, it's surely too late to stop it now), but just to enjoy this fabulous little ride .. (If you haven't taken a night-ride on Whizzer, then you haven't ridden Whizzer!). I don't know if anyone is interested in meeting up that day .. I'm thinking of turning up at about 6 or 7, and riding until close... Who's with me? Cameron (who still doesn't (err, won't) believe the rumors.) -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From supermanros@hotmail.com Sat Jul 20 22:51:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 05:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 29946 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 05:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 05:51:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 05:51:21 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:51:21 -0700 Received: from 24.49.140.198 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:51:21 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR- SFNE Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:51:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 05:51:21.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4080E90:01C2307A] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.140.198] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros >blizzard river is alot of fun, and those giant menacing penguins are really >funny looking. however, i dont remember the fog that your talking about, >maybe it just wasnt on when i rode cause ive only rode this 3 or so times. >(and none this year) I love the penguins! I wish to obtain one. but i >find the ptcs more uncomfortable and worse overall than the morgans. the >morgans were fine as long as you sat in the frontseat of a car. the 2 pos. >bar w/o belts gave some of the most insane air ive ever felt on almost >every >drop (1 and 5 especially) but now the ptc are just way to heavy and the >ratcheting bar and belt kills almost all of the air. and the way the bar >goes on your outer leg makes all the lats pretty painfull (and there are a >bunch of them) I disagree about the Morgans. I hated the Morgans and I'm glad they're gone. You can definitely get more room with a PTC bar because the Morgans only had one locking position. Plus, the PTCs have padding and the seats have padding! The ride is so much faster with the PTC trains, too. >i have yet to ride the LC model, but this one is deffitly alot of fun, and >not all to scary. and how did you ride for free? was it just because of >your jb or was it some special deal or something? Same way I didn't pay for admission or parking... I work for Six Flags! =) Actually, there's an unwritten agreement that Site Controllers can fly for free at other sites if they present their Site Controller card. >really doeshelp a lot. by deffinition 2 train operation has to cut time at >least in half...i have proven this fact but it takes a while and its 3 in >the >morning. 2 trains doesn't always double capacity... in fact, it rarely ever does. Capacity isn't dependent on the number of trains, it's dependent on the dispatch interval. If adding more trains will allow them to crank more trains out of the station per hour, then the hourly capacity will be higher. If you have a two-train ride and one train sits on the brake run until the next train dispatches, then the other train gets back to the brake before the previous train dispatches, then hourly capacity isn't doubled... it's just slightly increased. It's all about the dispatch interval. >slide around on in the rain. cough lawsuit soon cough. but other than that >and the faux gothic type architecture there is no theming at all. That's why I said minimal themeing. =) There's definitely props, which count as minimal themeing. >un natural, and anticlimatic. but i guess theres a valid reason *cough >money >cough* for them to not have it. I think it's more of a space issue. That ride was really crammed in that spot, and it fits perfectly. >thunderbolt is an >excelent coaster (top 15 wood list for me...actual number eludes me) I like it, but I don't consider it excellent. I have been on it a bunch of times in previous years, so I don't mind skipping it. >this year. time warp really does blow though, its not worth a ride at all. >i almost died on it once (seat belt saved my life when the restraint gave >out >while being stuck upside down...and i only weigh 160 (probably 130 at the >time) that was a scary moment I really like Time Warp, I think it's fun. I'm sorry it tried to kill you. >well next time you come down be sure to let me know in advance. i really >am >starting to appreciat this park and would love to meet up with as many >listers as posible now that i have come to terms with the fact that I WONT >BE >AT THE RCT EVENT. but maybe i can make PPP if someone here wants to pick >me >up in philly (go drexel drangons!!!!) I plan on going in late August before I go back to school. >that was a looooong reply. many of you probably gave up a while >ago...anyway im glad you had a great trip and thanks for the TR Welcome! Thanks for reading. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Sun Jul 21 01:01:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 08:01:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 37805 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 08:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 08:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 08:01:54 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id DAA13154; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:01:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:01:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200207210801.DAA13154@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Anyone going to SFGAm today? X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 216.145.204.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 Just wondering if anyone from the group is going to Great America today. If so, how about a meet at the Wizzer at 8pm. Dave Rounds From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 20:28:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 03:28:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 24043 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 03:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 03:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp012.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.32) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 03:28:30 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 03:28:29 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: MISC: Mountain Park Carousel Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For anyone interested in pics of the Mountain Park Carousel Jay mentioned a few weeks ago, check out: http://www.angelfire.com/ne2/mtpark/carousel.html Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From greding@joplin.com Sun Jul 21 20:57:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@joplin.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 03:57:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 47617 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 03:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 03:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.joplin.com) (208.11.114.11) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 03:57:11 -0000 Received: (from greding at 64.200.52.7) by mail.joplin.com (Mark's SMTP Revision 01Feb02) id 664572930 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:53:06 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c23145$bad01a20$0734c840@greding> To: Subject: TR: Silverwood Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:04:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Tom & Lisa Greding" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88356047 X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of weeks ago I was in Northern Idaho visiting family on my wife's side, where I managed to talk a couple of sibling-in-laws into a quick trip up to Silverwood, which is about 20 miles or so north of Coeur D'Alene, Idaho. Since this is a park that many of you have probably never been to, I will attempt a not-so-brief and probably untraditional TR: Date: Monday, July 8, 2002 Place: Silverwood Theme Park Weather: Cool, with thunderstorms threatening Crowds: Very light We arrived at Silverwood about 4:00 in the afternoon. It was sort of a last minute decision to go, since it had rained that morning and looked like it might start raining again at any time. After some persuading, I recruited my brother and sister in law to go with me. The twilight rate started at 5:00, but I was anxious to get in, so we didn't wait. This was my first visit to this park. There was hardly anyone at the park. I suppose it was a combination of the weather and the fact that it was a Monday after a holiday weekend. This worked out great for us, of course, because the longest line we had to wait in was the very first one--about 15 minutes at the ticket booth. There were only about 3 people in front of us, but for some reason it was very slow. After we got in, we headed all the way to the back of the park to: THE TIMBER TERROR, 1996 CCI (**sniff**) out and back woodie, with PTC trains, seat belts+lapbars-- This is a great roller coaster. It is not very tall and not very long, but it delivers a great ride from the top of the lift hill to the brakes at the end. The first drop has good air. All of the hills on the way out have great air. The turnaround has great laterals. All of the hills on the way back have great air. The last hill-turn-brake combo has a great shot of lateral air. This coaster is well maintained and very smooth. The bottoms of the hills have no bumpiness at all, no matter what seat you are in. And did I mention it had great air time? And some good head-choppers, too. We rode it about three times in a row, each time only waiting for one or two trains. In fact, the longest wait we had for any ride was 2 trains, boats, cars, or cycles. Our next stop was: TREMORS, 1999 CCI (**sniff-sniff**) twister, also with PTC trains-- Compared to The Timber Terror, Tremors is a little newer, a little taller, a little faster, a little more intense, but not quite as fun. This coaster is somewhat unique, in that it has four underground tunnels, including one that comes up right through the gift shop. You can stand in the gift shop, only about 10 feet or so from the track, and through a window, watch the train come zooming through. The floor shakes, the train roars, and in the blink of an eye it races by. Pretty neat... Anyway, back to the coaster. The twister layout provides lots of laterals, but also makes it a bit rougher. The hills have decent air, and the tunnels have a good head chopper effect. I good coaster and a fun ride, but I liked the Terror better. I guess I'm just a big fan of air time. We rode Tremors a couple of times, and then headed back to: CORKSCREW COASTER, Arrow, with OTSR's-- This is actually the original corkscrew first installed at Knott's Berry Farm back in the 70's sometime, later relocated to Silverwood. It is very short--lift hill, turn, drop, turn, corkscrew, corkscrew, turn, brake--is that the exact same layout as the one at CP and everywhere else? We rode it twice, once in the front and once in the back, just to see if it got any better, which it didn't. But there was absolutely no line, so why not? I thought the seats could have used a little padding. I remember when this coaster first appeared at KBF. If I remember right, it opened about the same time as the Revolution at SFMM, which were the first steel looping coasters built. I rode it back then, and remember thinking it was pretty cool, but I was probably only about 10 years old. Now it just seems old, tired, and rather pointless. After sampling the three roller coasters the park has to offer (not counting the kiddie coasters), we tried out a few of the fine collection of other rides the park has to offer. Their BUMPER CARS ride was somewhat unique (at least to me), low-tech, and very fun. The cars are like a large donut with a seat on top. They are gasoline powered, and controlled by two levers, one on each side of the seat, which operate like a Grasshopper lawnmower (push both levers forward to go forward, pull both back to go backwards, or one forward and one back to spin in circles). The single ride op has a whistle and a stopwatch, which she uses to control the ride cycles. We found that after a good head-on collision, you can actually get two of your wheels to lift up off the ground. Cool. The BUMPER BOATS were also a lot of fun. The setup was pretty standard, I believe. We rode it twice. They also have a LOG FLUME ride. It is not very long and the hill is only about half as high as most the other log flumes I have ridden. But they have this thing at the end that shoots A LOT of water out of this fountain thing, right on top of you, as long as someone puts a quarter in a control box on the side of the nearby path. Very cruel--I love it. Lucky for us, we had no other friends (or enemies) to douse us, so we came away pretty dry. They also have a RIVER RAPIDS ride, which was pretty good I thought. The themeing was good, with jungle-like areas and a cave, the rapids were good and soaking, and if that waterfall doesn't get you wet, the big wave right behind it sure will! I came away pretty wet and with a big smile on my face. Silverwood also has several spinning type rides which we did not go on. I'm not a big fan of those, and my stomach can no longer handle them gracefully. They also have a train, which takes you out into the woods to get robbed, but we did not have time to ride it. They have a nice little main street area, with shops and restaurants and the like, a kiddie area, a carousel, and several nice little touches here and there. Overall it is a very nice little park. I definitely recommend it if you are ever in the area. For dinner we ate at the burger place, and when we walked up at to the counter to order someone shouted "Hey, some customers!" Apparently it had been an hour and 40 minutes since they last had one! Not a good sign. I ordered a BBQ beef sandwich and fries, which weren't too bad, but nothing like what you can get in a place like, say, Memphis TN. We took a few more rides on the woodies, and then headed home when the park closed at 8:00. Overall, I think Silverwood is a nice little park. The people were friendly, the atmosphere was nice, and there were no crowds. A modern steel coaster would make this nice little park into a great little park, but still, for the size of the place, having two CCI woodies is not too shabby. One thing I noticed was all three coaster only had one train each. Since there were no crowds at all they didn't really need a second train that day, but I was wondering if they have another train stashed away anywhere. The only coaster that even had a transfer track was the corkscrew. Just wondering. Thanks for reading, -tom, long-time RCT lurker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gburnash@bigfoot.com Sun Jul 21 21:56:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 04:56:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 53420 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 04:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 04:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out009.verizon.net) (206.46.170.131) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 04:56:47 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.05 201-253-122-126-105-20020426) with ESMTP id <20020722045646.GOJY27990.out009.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3D3B908D.3050809@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:56:45 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Silverwood References: <001f01c23145$bad01a20$0734c840@greding> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Great TR Tom. Only a couple of comments on a great read. Tom & Lisa Greding wrote: > > > CORKSCREW COASTER, Arrow, with OTSR's-- > > This is actually the original corkscrew first installed at Knott's > Berry Farm back in the 70's sometime, later relocated to Silverwood. > It is very short--lift hill, turn, drop, turn, corkscrew, corkscrew, > turn, brake--is that the exact same layout as the one at CP and > everywhere else? Actually the one at CP is what is known as a "loop-screw", even though they call it Corkscrew, because it also has a vertical loop in it, and the layout is a little different. But as for most of the rest of the coasters called "Corkscrew", yes, they are in essence clones of this one. > > > I remember when this coaster first appeared at KBF. If I remember > right, it opened about the same time as the Revolution at SFMM, which > were the first steel looping coasters built. I rode it back then, and > remember thinking it was pretty cool, but I was probably only about 10 > years old. Now it just seems old, tired, and rather pointless. That exact coaster was actually my very first looping coaster of anykind way back when it was still at Knotts, so it's got some memories to it. It actually opened in 1975, the year before Revolution- which was the first steel vertical loop. > Their BUMPER CARS ride was somewhat unique (at least to me), low-tech, > and very fun. The cars are like a large donut with a seat on top. > They are gasoline powered, and controlled by two levers, one on each > side of the seat, which operate like a Grasshopper lawnmower (push > both levers forward to go forward, pull both back to go backwards, or > one forward and one back to spin in circles). The single ride op has > a whistle and a stopwatch, which she uses to control the ride cycles. > We found that after a good head-on collision, you can actually get two > of your wheels to lift up off the ground. Cool. The rides area around the Giant Dipper at Belmont Park in San Diego also has these same type of bumper car things. My son in particular loved them. He calls them the floating circle tanks. Sounds like you had a great time! Thanks again for the TR. keep on ridin' George -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From jzerkel@effingham.net Sun Jul 21 22:10:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 05:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 15236 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postoffice.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 05:10:20 -0000 Received: from lorenzer ([12.34.177.96]) by postoffice.effingham.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65364U4500L450S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2313e$15b4d0a0$60b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <001f01c23145$bad01a20$0734c840@greding> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Silverwood Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:10:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Lisa Greding" > A couple of weeks ago I was in Northern Idaho visiting family on my wife's side, where I managed to talk a couple of sibling-in-laws into a quick trip up to Silverwood, which is about 20 miles or so north of Coeur D'Alene, Idaho. Since this is a park that many of you have probably never been to, I will attempt a not-so-brief and probably untraditional TR: Great TR, Tom! Thanks so much for sharing! I know that ACE had their national convention at Silverwood in (I believe) 2000. I would sure love to visit there sometime, if I ever made it out west. Just curious, that does seem like a rather remote area of the U.S. What (if any) are some of the nearby cities that they draw their attendance from? Thanks again for the TR Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) From haveingfun1us@yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 23:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6106 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 06:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 06:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 06:54:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: haveingfun1us@yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2002 06:54:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 22 Jul 2002 06:54:21 -0000 X-Sender: haveingfun1us@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 21 Jul 2002 18:52:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 56086 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2002 18:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2002 18:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2002 18:52:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2002 18:52:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:52:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: new ride going at CP Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 173 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "haveingfun1us" X-Originating-IP: 204.186.217.33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=87097598 X-Yahoo-Profile: haveingfun1us Was at cp fri. talk to a few ride operaters. than i know good they told me that a 400 plus rocket coaster by Intamin going in next year. Did any one else hear that From drounds@jvlnet.com Sun Jul 21 23:59:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 06:59:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8464 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 06:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 06:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 06:59:31 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id BAA14343; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:59:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 01:59:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200207220659.BAA14343@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: More bad news, bye bye Whizzer X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 216.145.204.56 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 Unfortunately, I was able to confirm this news in person. I spoke to a ride supervisor that I have known for a few years and when I indirectly ask him about the rumor, he first denied it then said it was true. Later in the evening I also spoke to another ride supervisor and his supervisor and he also confirmed it. My most interesting conversation regarding the closing of the ride was with the ride operators themselves. The first two I talked to were blue badged ride attendants and they both told me in no uncertain terms that was I was talking about was purely a rumor. They said they were told this by the ride supervisor that there was no truth to the rumor. I then talked to the red badged lead operator and at first he also said it was a rumor but after I told him that some supervisors had confirmed it, he told me that he was told, on Thursday, that the rumor was true. BTW, from conversations with this ride operator, earlier in the season, he participates on RRC. > Well, what many guessed as the first set of bad news I had a few days ago > has been confirmed. My friend Mark, one of my fellow travelers on the > California trip, recently confirmed on URC that Whizzer is indeed ending > operation on August 11th. Dave Rounds From drounds@jvlnet.com Mon Jul 22 00:26:25 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 07:26:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 88686 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 07:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 07:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 07:26:25 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id CAA23855; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:26:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:26:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200207220726.CAA23855@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGAm 7/21/02 X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 216.145.204.56 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 Just a few quick comments about my trip on 7/21. First of all, I was able to confirm the rumor about the closing of the Wizzer on August 11th. See my other message for more details. Since the day was so HOT--message board along I-94 said 103 degrees F at 3:15 pm--I decided to ride some of the water rides before anything else. I had never been on their Splash Water Falls, although I had been on one many times at a Wisconsin Dells water park. On this ride I had a very bad experience for which I later left a written report with guest services. After waiting about 90 minutes, we boarded the ride and the lap bar was lowered, it was at least 6 inches above my legs. I was in the seat with two smaller riders so that was not the problem. The ride op checked to see that the bar was locked but was not concerned that it was so high above the laps of the other two riders. In my case, the bar was right at the bottom of my rib cage and needless to say, I had a VERY uncomfortable experience when we reached the bottom of the drop--I almost had the wind knocked out of me and may have brused my lowest ribs. When I told the ride attendant about it, he said he was sorry but that was it. I also noticed that whild waiting in line, the lap bar on any of the other seats in any of the other "boats" were never that high. In other rides during the afternoon, I was able to get in one ride each on Loggers Run and the Splash Mountain Boat ride. In neither case was I able to enjoy them as I should have been able to due to the incident on Splash Water Falls. The other water ride, Raging River, was down all day. I then went to the Wizzer and rode it for the rest of the day. I was able to get in seven rides and was able to ride all but one of the first and third seat in each of the four cars. This is the only ride I have ever been disappointed about losing--After having ridden it for almost every one of the 26 years it has been in the park. I have taken many a first time coaster rider on that ride on our church group outings to the park. Overall the ride still ranks somewhat below average for the 81 coasters I have riden, but I an still sorry to see it go. Dave Rounds From coasterdude18@juno.com Mon Jul 22 02:57:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 09:57:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20157 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 09:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 09:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 09:57:01 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/HSrimmkdXSALUoOoXwqm6A=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8BJZU86; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:56:41 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:01:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCTalk Event Message-ID: <20020722.050135.-1987033.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,7-9 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > is there a website for RCT events and stuff? http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk That's our "official" site. Information about the event was supposed to be up there about a week ago but it looks like that never got done. I was in California all of last week (thus was unable to get info posted) but I'll get something on the site later today. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From sfrieze@earthlink.net Mon Jul 22 06:31:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: sfrieze@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 13:31:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 93256 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 13:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 13:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.50) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 13:31:03 -0000 Received: from gonzo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.242] helo=gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17WdHC-0000mo-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:31:02 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6MDV2r29559 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:31:02 -0700 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Walkway collapses at SDC Sender: sfrieze@earthlink.net Message-ID: From: S Frieze Reply-To: sfrieze@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 208.206.143.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=86622271 X-Yahoo-Profile: pippeee234567 Hello group, I went to Silver Dollar City yesterday (Sunday) and they have already replaced the concrete in the walkway that collapsed and they were running some empty boats through the ride while they were waiting for the inspector to come back and give his okay for them to reopen the ride. They expect to have the ride open today or tomorrow. They still don't know what caused the walkway to collapse, but the concrete they used back then (early 80's) apparently didn't have rebar (spelling?) in it, but they've sent it off to be examined anyway. I hope this won't hurt the park's attendance because I noticed yesterday it wasn't as crowded as it usually is this time of the year. Sarah From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 06:39:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 13:39:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 5754 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 13:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 13:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20609.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.167) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 13:39:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20020722133938.32563.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:39:38 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: SFGAm 7/21/02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200207220726.CAA23855@emerald.jvlnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- "David R. Rounds" wrote: > Just a few quick comments about my trip on 7/21. > First of all, I was able to confirm the rumor about > the closing of the > Wizzer on August 11th. See my other message for more > details. You know, I still find it hard to believe that so many of you all "pump" the workers for information. What are y'all, coaster enthusiasts or investigative reporters (in the case of Adam S. I know it's kinda both ;)) After waiting > about 90 minutes, we > boarded the ride and the lap bar was lowered, it was > at least 6 inches > above my legs. I was in the seat with two smaller > riders so that was > not the problem. The ride op checked to see that > the bar was locked > but was not concerned that it was so high above the > laps of the other > two riders. Odd, I was under the impression that on these type rides there were NOT multiple "down" positions. I thought they were "go/ no go" like the old PTC "buzz bars"... jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 07:27:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 14:27:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 68952 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 14:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 14:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40006.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 14:27:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020722142733.80684.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:27:33 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: TR: SFGAm 7/21/02 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020722133938.32563.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > You know, I still find it hard to believe that so > many > of you all "pump" the workers for information. What > are y'all, coaster enthusiasts or investigative > reporters (in the case of Adam S. I know it's kinda > both ;)) Actually, I can happily say that I have never pumped any ride op, Lemon Chill or Dippin Dot's worker for information. The only ops I even talked to at all were the ones at Disneyland because there were many college age women who were quite attractive. No wonder its called the happiest place on earth... Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From blinkjoeboy@aol.com Mon Jul 22 09:30:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: BLiNkjOebOy@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 16:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 33758 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 16:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 16:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 16:30:39 -0000 Received: from BLiNkjOebOy@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.7f.296ea496 (16781) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7f.296ea496.2a6d8d1b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:30:19 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] new ride going at CP To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: blinkjoeboy@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=41789028 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterfan862002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how much room do they have left at cp?? Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Jul 22 10:15:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 17:15:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 6849 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 4.3d.21855bfa (15865) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d04.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.68]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-0722131553; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:15:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:15:59 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] new ride going at CP Message-ID: <6D5ED6FF.78DC81B4.0000F0AF@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk In a message dated Sun, 21 Jul 2002 1:52:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, haveingfun1us@yahoo.com writes: > Was at cp fri. talk to a few ride operaters. than i know good > they told me that a 400 plus rocket coaster by Intamin > going in next > year. Did any one else hear that Yes, but I've heard it from better sources than ride-Ops. It'd be cool if it happened. who knows. --JW From rablat5@juno.com Mon Jul 22 13:29:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 20:29:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 62770 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 20:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 20:29:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m9.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 20:29:52 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"LbyvYS7lTUiyQZl1okOiGkkckXe2Fing+jvksLxdHiEhKmjuPRuvww=="> Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by m9.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8CN739X; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:29:13 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:26:37 -0400 Subject: TR: BGW Message-ID: <20020722.162640.-16611057.0.rablat5@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,10-11,21-22,27-28,35-36,40-41,49-51,53-54,56,58,61,63,67-70,74-82 From: Benjamin R Ashley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852 X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Hey all, Well, I finally made it to Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Don't try and rely on Mapquest 100%--it gave me more directions than I needed! You CAN get to BGW right off of I-64! Anyway, this may have been the BEST theme park trip I have taken all summer! How many nice things can I say about this place! This was only the third time that I've been there, and the second time that I actually rode any rollercoasters. This park may not have quantity (like SFGAdv & CP), but it sure does have quality! I've been saying that this place is a step below Universal and a step above Hershey. And now, on to some coasters and random notes! Alpengeist--This beast moved up on my top ten list. Actually, I may have liked this one the most out of all the coasters there. I did ride it the most that day (7 or 8 times). Anyway, it seemed to get more intense as the day progressed. Probably the most intense part of the ride is the cobra roll. Medusa's doesn't compare with this puppy! The worst part of the ride, though, was the leveling out into the midcourse brakes. The seat that I rode most in was either the last row or second-to-last row, left hand outer seat. This is a good one for the flat spin. Anyway, I took a bunch of pics of this one, as it is one of the easier ones to photograph here. Wild Maus--We got a double ride thanks to no one in line! I didn't realize that this is slightly different than HP & Dorney's version, as it doesn't have that camelback hill, but rather a long upwards ramp. This one is also braked more so than HP's. It's not a BAD ride, but it's not as "wild" as HP's. Big Bad Wolf--The BEST suspended coaster that I've ever ridden--which isn't many, as I've only ridden BBW, Iron Dragon, and Roller Soaker. I didn't realize that they ran 3 trains on this one, which they did, but for only part of the time. It's a decent ride at night. It would be nice if they could replace the old trains with ones where your feet dangle and still keep the swinging part. Imaging the views on that! Those Arrow cars aren't ideal for tall people like myself. Loch Ness Monster--It is in nice condition, especially for how old it is. It's a picturesque, decent old Arrow looping coaster. The indoor helix is a nice touch. Both BBW and LNM have 2 lifts, which may hurt the pacing to some. As long as they don't let it go the way of Drachen Fire! Apollo's Chariot--It seems they only ran 2 trains all day, but the lines weren't too bad. I still probabaly prefer Nitro to this one, but it's still a good ride. One of the best parts, IMO, is in the back seat (with lapbar space), going down that third drop that turns to the left. I only got stapled once, and it wasn't a major stapling--just one click. I didn't realize that you could see this coaster so well, as it's very near the parking lot, and it provides nice eye candy as you approach the parking toll. --The cablecars are very nice! Please do not get rid of them! --The train is a nice other means of transportation, and you don't have to get off at the next stataion! --The park is very pretty, and the theming is done well. --Corkscrew Hill was the surprise of the day. Check it out if you get the chance. --Pirates could have used more in-theater special effects, but it was still a nice attraction. The theater is a good size, too. --All the water rides are nice, but the best-executed one there is Escape from Pompeii. It is cool looking, and the theming is done well, at least for a non-Disney park. --We talked to employees and guests. My buddy's Six Flags shirt elicited some attention : ) --The park is well-organized and well-run. They were even nice enough to give us a paper at the parking toll stating that Apollo's Chariot wouldn't open until 11:30 due to routine maintenance or something--how nice! If you ever get the chance to go, take it! Oh, BTW, here's a plug : ) My website, CoasterPICS, is becoming the official photo site of The Rollercoaster Cavern. There are a bunch of BGW photos that will be going up, so keep an eye on the site. It also took on somewhat of a new look. http://coasterpics.coastercavern.com Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben Ashley Webmaster--CoasterPICS! coasterpics.coastercavern.com "So ya want thrills? Get God and your life will NEVER be the same!" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 14:05:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 22 Jul 2002 21:05:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 26479 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 21:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2002 21:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 21:05:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:05:09 -0700 Received: from 151.205.80.187 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:05:09 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: BGW Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:05:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 21:05:09.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[768FBB30:01C231C3] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.80.187] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Great TR Ben, This has always been one of my favorite places to go, not just for the coasters, but because it's just a beautiful/nice place to visit. It's my favorite park in that region (pkd,sfa,hp) although I'd trade S:ROS over A.Charriot and Volcano would look nice somewhere in BGW... either way it's a great place. It was the 2nd place I visited this year, when me my sister and AFLAC went down to kick off the season (should've went there twice instead of PKD hehe). Can't wait to see the pics! jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Jul 22 18:10:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 01:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 88350 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 01:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 01:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 01:10:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWumo6+DQi6Jd/x/K9gaZEiy5+b93RN0TXA=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8C678SA; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:08:55 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:05:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Silverwood Message-ID: <20020722.180526.-1431519.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,12-27,34-51,54-66,74-81,88-89,95,101,105,119-125,131-139,143-151,160-167,169-175 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 > There was hardly anyone at the park. I suppose it was a combination > of the weather and the fact that it was a Monday after a holiday > weekend. This worked out great for us, of course, because the > longest line we had to wait in was the very first one--about 15 > minutes at the ticket booth. There were only about 3 people in > front of us, but for some reason it was very slow. After we got in, > we headed all the way to the back of the park to: I think maybe there is never anyone there. I went there on a real nice day and the lines were still rather short, with the longest lines being on Tremors at about 10 minutes. Corkscrew was walk on, with one train wait for the front. Timber Terror was about 5 minutes long. > THE TIMBER TERROR, 1996 CCI (**sniff**) out and back woodie, with > PTC trains, seat belts+lapbars-- > > This is a great roller coaster. It is not very tall and not very > long, but it delivers a great ride from the top of the lift hill to > the brakes at the end. The first drop has good air. All of the > hills on the way out have great air. The turnaround has great > laterals. All of the hills on the way back have great air. The > last hill-turn-brake combo has a great shot of lateral air. This > coaster is well maintained and very smooth. The bottoms of the > hills have no bumpiness at all, no matter what seat you are in. And > did I mention it had great air time? And some good head-choppers, > too. Excellent little ride, lots of airtime, though I thought that double up kinda stopped the wonderful air time that was starting, with postive g's instead. Not a big deal though. The lats in the turnaround and the helix were awesome. Great headchoppers. I just wonder how this ride compares to other CCI's, as it's hard to compare to the only other's I've been on, as Ghostrider is amazing (IMO) and Tremors is kind-of a mix of the two rides. > TREMORS, 1999 CCI (**sniff-sniff**) twister, also with PTC trains-- > > Compared to The Timber Terror, Tremors is a little newer, a little > taller, a little faster, a little more intense, but not quite as > fun. This coaster is somewhat unique, in that it has four > underground tunnels, including one that comes up right through the > gift shop. You can stand in the gift shop, only about 10 feet or so > from the track, and through a window, watch the train come zooming > through. The floor shakes, the train roars, and in the blink of an > eye it races by. Pretty neat... Anyway, back to the coaster. The > twister layout provides lots of laterals, but also makes it a bit > rougher. The hills have decent air, and the tunnels have a good > head chopper effect. I good coaster and a fun ride, but I liked the > Terror better. I guess I'm just a big fan of air time. We rode > Tremors a couple of times, and then headed back to: I liked this one a little more than Timber Terror just because it's more unique, but I think they both compliment each other very well, and I spent all my time going between each one. Good headchoppers. > Their BUMPER CARS ride was somewhat unique (at least to me), > low-tech, and very fun. The cars are like a large donut with a seat > on top. They are gasoline powered, and controlled by two levers, > one on each side of the seat, which operate like a Grasshopper > lawnmower (push both levers forward to go forward, pull both back to > go backwards, or one forward and one back to spin in circles). The > single ride op has a whistle and a stopwatch, which she uses to > control the ride cycles. We found that after a good head-on > collision, you can actually get two of your wheels to lift up off > the ground. Cool. Yeah, I thought this kind is really fun. I didn't ride the ones at Silverwood, I don't even remember them, but I went on them a lot at our local Boardwalk Arcade. The area for the ride is small, but it's still fun and different with the weird controls. You also feel more exposed, and as you said, they can be a little unstable. Plus, you can do some major spinning with the controls, and I was really good at controlling them since I used to play an arcade game a lot that had very similar controls. Neat ride. > They also have a RIVER RAPIDS ride, which was pretty good I thought. > The themeing was good, with jungle-like areas and a cave, the > rapids were good and soaking, and if that waterfall doesn't get you > wet, the big wave right behind it sure will! I came away pretty wet > and with a big smile on my face. This was the only non-coaster ride I went on when I was there, as I was really only into coasters at the time. It was VERY wet for me, but it seemed a little short. The automatic water spout thing at the beginning got me good. Just for fun, I'll do a little comparison between the rapids rides I've gone on. I haven't been on a ton, but I've been comparing them in my mind lately, so I thought it would be fun. I still haven't been on the rapids @ SFMM. Individual ratings out of 5, overall out of 30. *Bigfoot Rapids @ KBF: Rapids (how well you get splashed from waves and such)-5, Cheap Tricks for Wetness-2 (There are two good waterfalls that usually are on), Theming-3, Length-4, Landscaping (Hills, going downhill a lot instead of being flat, trees, etc.)- 4, Extra Credit for Specialness- 2 (My first rapids, I used to love it, the mist in the cave is nice), Overall-20 *Shipwreck Rapids @ Sea World CA: Rapids-1 (They did not get me wet at all), Cheap Tricks-4 (Only reason I got wet, especially the large unavoidable waterfall into the cave), Theming-5, Length-2 (Seemed short, maybe it wasn't though), Landscaping- 1, Extra Credit for Specialness- 3 (The theming was really good, short lines, cool corkscrew used instead of pump to carry water up, propellor in cave), Overall-16 *River Rapids (?) @ Silverwood: Rapids-3, Cheap Tricks- 2 (The water spout, I don't think the waterfall got me though), Theming- 2, Length- 2 (I know that this one was short), Landscaping- 3, Extra Credit for Specialness- 1 (Got really wet), Overall-13 *Grizzly River Rapids @ DCA (TR coming someday, and I DID have a good time): Rapids- 5 (Lots of rapids), Cheap Tricks- 5 (The drops kinda could count, I think there may have been waterfalls, I don't really remember. The water spout near the end was awesome, you go over it and you can hear it hitting the bottom. It's in the Yellowstone area. Also, leaky pipes on the lift), Theming- 5+ (Kayaks everywhere, western-ish theming, Bear mt., logs, Yellowstone area, wooden looking lift and other areas), Length- 5 (Very long. Large lift), Landscaping- 5 (The cave, hilly, tons of trees, rocks, the bubbly water area near the end like Yellowstone), Extra Credit for Specialness- 5 (Great pacing, DROPS!, well designed, very Disney-esque, amazing theming, couldn't have imagined it better), Overall-30+ By far the greatest I've ever been on. Nothing else even compares. I think it was the highest quality ride there. How does this one compare to the one at IOA? > Silverwood also has several spinning type rides which we did not go > on. I'm not a big fan of those, and my stomach can no longer handle > them gracefully. Do you know if the Monster/Spider/Whatever was working, as it was disassembled last time I was there, a big fad it seems at many parks recently. Castle Park's was disassembled when I was there, I think the one at Riverview Park in Washington might not have been working, and I vaguely remember another that was dissassembled at another park I've been to. I have yet to actually get on one because of this. > They also have a train, which takes you out into > the woods to get robbed, but we did not have time to ride it. They > have a nice little main street area, with shops and restaurants and > the like, a kiddie area, a carousel, and several nice little touches > here and there. Overall it is a very nice little park. I > definitely recommend it if you are ever in the area. Agreed. The train wasn't working when I was there though. The airfield next to the park is different too, along with a campsite (though it may be only for motorhomes, I think we checked since we were camping at the time. Unless if it was just expensive). > We took a few more rides on the woodies, and then headed home when > the park closed at 8:00. Overall, I think Silverwood is a nice > little park. The people were friendly, the atmosphere was nice, and > there were no crowds. A modern steel coaster would make this nice > little park into a great little park, but still, for the size of the > place, having two CCI woodies is not too shabby. A Beemer looper would be awesome. A hyper would be nice, but I think the woodies fill in well with the airtime. I heard once they were going to make either a racing woodie or a dueling woodie, but I kinda doubt it, though if they did, then I think then they would be the woodie capital. But I would rather have a steel looper. I think they are confirmed to get a water park though, not a good idea IMO, since there is a large one nearby, and it doesn't seem like they'd have enough attendence to fill it along with the main park. But maybe building one would draw some crowds from the competing water park. > One thing I noticed was all three coaster only had one train each. > Since there were no crowds at all they didn't really need a second > train that day, but I was wondering if they have another train > stashed away anywhere. The only coaster that even had a transfer > track was the corkscrew. Just wondering. I think they had at least two trains for each coaster, except for maybe the corkscrew, since no one was riding it. > Thanks for reading, No problem. Good TR. Glad someone else went to Silverwood. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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From greding@joplin.com Mon Jul 22 19:47:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@joplin.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 02:47:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 67674 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 02:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 02:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 02:47:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 02:47:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:47:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Silverwood Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3B908D.3050809@verizon.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 907 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "stombo2" X-Originating-IP: 64.200.53.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88356047 X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 > > > > I remember when this coaster first appeared at KBF. If I remember > > right, it opened about the same time as the Revolution at SFMM, which > > were the first steel looping coasters built. I rode it back then, and > > remember thinking it was pretty cool, but I was probably only about 10 > > years old. Now it just seems old, tired, and rather pointless. > > That exact coaster was actually my very first looping coaster of anykind > way back when it was still at Knotts, so it's got some memories to it. > It actually opened in 1975, the year before Revolution- which was the > first steel vertical loop. Ah, yes, I remember now. I also recall a ride called Montezuma's Revenge, which opened at KBF a couple of years later. If I remember right, it was a shuttle coaster with a reverse-incline launch with a double vertical loop?? Or maybe it was a loop and a corkscrew? From greding@joplin.com Mon Jul 22 19:48:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@joplin.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 02:48:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 12985 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 02:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 02:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 02:48:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.190] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 02:48:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:48:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Silverwood Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D3B908D.3050809@verizon.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 913 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "stombo2" X-Originating-IP: 64.200.53.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88356047 X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 > > > > I remember when this coaster first appeared at KBF. If I remember > > right, it opened about the same time as the Revolution at SFMM, which > > were the first steel looping coasters built. I rode it back then, and > > remember thinking it was pretty cool, but I was probably only about 10 > > years old. Now it just seems old, tired, and rather pointless. > > That exact coaster was actually my very first looping coaster of anykind > way back when it was still at Knotts, so it's got some memories to it. > It actually opened in 1975, the year before Revolution- which was the > first steel vertical loop. Ah, yes, I remember now. I also recall a ride called Montezuma's Revenge, which opened at KBF a couple of years later. If I remember right, it was a shuttle coaster with a reverse-incline launch with a double vertical loop?? Or maybe it was a loop and a corkscrew? -tom. From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Jul 22 19:55:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 02:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 51712 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 02:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 02:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 02:55:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 5485 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Jul 2002 02:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20020723020207.5484.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Silverwood To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:02:06 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "stombo2" at Jul 23, 2002 02:48:20 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > > I remember when this coaster first appeared at KBF. If I > > > remember right, it opened about the same time as the > > > Revolution at SFMM, which were the first steel looping > > > coasters built. I rode it back then, and remember thinking > > > it was pretty cool, but I was probably only about 10 > > > years old. Now it just seems old, tired, and rather pointless. > > > > That exact coaster was actually my very first looping coaster of > > anykind way back when it was still at Knotts, so it's got some > > memories to it. It actually opened in 1975, the year before > > Revolution- which was the first steel vertical loop. > > Ah, yes, I remember now. I also recall a ride called Montezuma's > Revenge, which opened at KBF a couple of years later. If I remember > right, it was a shuttle coaster with a reverse-incline launch with a > double vertical loop?? Or maybe it was a loop and a corkscrew? Montezooma's Revenge opened at Knott's in 1978 .. and is still there: http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail292.htm [It's also an awesome ride!] Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From greding@joplin.com Mon Jul 22 19:58:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@joplin.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 02:58:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 57986 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 02:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 02:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 02:58:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 02:58:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:58:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Silverwood Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c2313e$15b4d0a0$60b1220c@lorenzer> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "stombo2" X-Originating-IP: 64.200.53.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88356047 X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "Jon Zerkel" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom & Lisa Greding" > > > > A couple of weeks ago I was in Northern Idaho visiting family on my wife's > side, where I managed to talk a couple of sibling-in-laws into a quick trip > up to Silverwood, which is about 20 miles or so north of Coeur D'Alene, > Idaho. Since this is a park that many of you have probably never been to, I > will attempt a not-so-brief and probably untraditional TR: > > > Great TR, Tom! Thanks so much for sharing! I know that ACE had their > national convention at Silverwood in (I believe) 2000. I would sure love > to visit there sometime, if I ever made it out west. > > Just curious, that does seem like a rather remote area of the U.S. What (if > any) are some of the nearby cities that they draw their attendance from? > > > Thanks again for the TR > > Jon Z > (Zerkel, not Zucker) It is rather remote out there. The actual park is right on the side of the highway in the middle of nowhere. There is not even a town really where the park is. The largest draw probably comes from Couer D'Alene/Post Falls area, which is growing pretty fast lately and only 30 minutes or so away. Spokane, Washington is probably about 60-90 minutes away, and I'm sure they get a pretty good draw from there. Those of you that live in the NorthWest will testify that you are pretty deprived of theme parks, so their draw area is probably pretty large. They probably get all of Eastern Washington, Northern Idaho, and even out to Missoula Montana. And the Canadian border is only about 30 minutes to the north. I heard radio advertisements for Silverwood that claimed they were the largest theme park in the Pacific NW. Now that Six Flags has purchased that little theme park in Seattle, perhaps they will build it up and take that claim in a few years. -tom. From IOASpiderman@aol.com Mon Jul 22 20:00:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 03:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 18477 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 03:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 03:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 03:00:13 -0000 Received: from IOASpiderman@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id r.19f.5a3a8c4 (4007) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19f.5a3a8c4.2a6e20bb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:00:11 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Silverwood To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 From: IOASpiderman@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64046551 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman <> Close... it is just a single loop, but the train takes it forwards and backwards. It is the best ride in the park, and with Revolution's current state, the best ride in southern california. IMO, of course. Here is a pic of the layout (although not monty, but a clone...) http://schwarzkopf.coaster.net/pictures/ES/ESshuttleloop2-SIROCCO-22.jpg Mike IOASpiderman@aol.com From greding@joplin.com Mon Jul 22 20:02:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@joplin.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 03:02:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 89783 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 03:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 03:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 03:02:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2002 03:02:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:02:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: Silverwood Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020722.180526.-1431519.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 584 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "stombo2" X-Originating-IP: 64.200.53.89 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88356047 X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Xcoaster@j... wrote: > > Do you know if the Monster/Spider/Whatever was working, as it was > disassembled last time I was there, a big fad it seems at many parks > recently. Castle Park's was disassembled when I was there, I think the > one at Riverview Park in Washington might not have been working, and I > vaguely remember another that was dissassembled at another park I've been > to. I have yet to actually get on one because of this. > Yes, the Monster was working. In fact, I did not see any rides that were not working that day. -tom. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 20:20:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 03:20:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 97373 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 03:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 03:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp017.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.114) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 03:20:33 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 03:20:33 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: Re: TR: SFGAm 7/21/02 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:17:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Sorry .. I know this is just the worst joke in history, but it HAS to be >said: >Did any grant you access to the Magic Kingdom?! Nope, the only riding during the weekend was coasters. Adam who wonders how much further this thread will digress *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Jul 23 01:05:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 08:05:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 2783 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 08:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 08:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 08:05:53 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/Td1Kjk5TeWwjc/o1nXRkyQ=="> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8DW3L6V; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:05:50 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:10:45 -0500 Subject: NEWS: RCTalk Event info now online Message-ID: <20020723.031045.-2008199.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,9-11 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Since I know some of you were looking for this... I've posted information on our upcoming event on the group site. You can access it from the main page (http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk/) or directly (http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk/event.html). If you're planning on attending and haven't notified Adam yet, please e-mail him off-list (afrsandy@yahoo.com) as soon as possible. You can also e-mail him or me (coasterdude18@juno.com) if you have any questions. I look forward to seeing some of you there! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 08:32:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 15:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 96850 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:32:53 -0700 Received: from 151.205.81.230 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:32:53 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: RCTalk Event info now online Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:32:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 15:32:53.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[365044E0:01C2325E] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [151.205.81.230] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Who all is goign to be at the event? I've been meaning to ask, but keep forgetting. Sucks that Adam's putting ALL of this together and he won't even be there... I know I'll be there, AFLAC is planning on coming, Nate right? Chris right? who else???? jeRemy D. -who'll be going to Carowinds on the Monday after the RCT event to ride his number 1 Invert!!!- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<----Original Message Follows---- From: "Nate K." Reply-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: RCTalk Event info now online Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:10:45 -0500 Since I know some of you were looking for this... I've posted information on our upcoming event on the group site. You can access it from the main page (http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk/) or directly (http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk/event.html). If you're planning on attending and haven't notified Adam yet, please e-mail him off-list (afrsandy@yahoo.com) as soon as possible. You can also e-mail him or me (coasterdude18@juno.com) if you have any questions. I look forward to seeing some of you there! -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 09:48:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 16:48:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 28566 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 16:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 16:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 16:48:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020723164854.6484.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:48:54 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RCT Event Roll Call To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Probably the best way to do this is follow the age-old RRC tradition of a roll call. Just put your name and the parks you will be visiting after a dash. I have a list of people at home, but thought that this would be easier because not everyone put which parks they will be attending in the e-mail to me. Add more dashes if necessary: - - - - - - ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Jul 23 10:52:57 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 17:52:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 47623 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 17:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 17:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 17:52:56 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.55.2a9d7316 (4470) for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55.2a9d7316.2a6ef1f1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:52:49 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT Event Roll Call To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/23/2002 12:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, afrsandy@yahoo.com writes: > - > - > - > - > - > - > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Jul 23 10:53:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 17:53:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 90311 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 17:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 17:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 17:53:43 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.11d.1464dba9 (4470) for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11d.1464dba9.2a6ef208@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:53:12 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT Event Roll Call To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/23/2002 12:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, afrsandy@yahoo.com writes: > -Josh Wozny.. Conneaut > - > - > - > - > - > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Jul 23 12:42:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 23 Jul 2002 19:42:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 97435 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 19:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2002 19:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 19:42:45 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/5GywkZOzRn2CHDS0Pbe8QGNPIMALvC4f"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8E6VZB6; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:41:48 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:34:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT Event Roll Call Message-ID: <20020723.144614.-1861153.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 -Josh Wozny.. Conneaut -Nate K...Conneaut, Kennywood, & SFWoA - - - - ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jul 23 17:15:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 00:15:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 57655 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 00:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 00:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.127) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 00:15:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:15:44 -0700 Received: from 207.68.82.49 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:15:43 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT Event Roll Call Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:15:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 00:15:44.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[40776950:01C232A7] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.82.49] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 -Josh Wozny.. Conneaut -Nate K...Conneaut, Kennywood, & SFWoA -jeRemy D. ...Kennywood - - - _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 23 18:00:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 01:00:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 58355 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 01:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 01:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp014.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.58) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 01:00:43 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 01:00:42 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: MISC: More Dusseldorf pics Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:57:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I saw this link posted on the URC Europe board and thought I would share. Definitely an awesome ride line up made even better by the lights & flash! Adam http://freizeitparkweb.de/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&forum=DCFor umID39&om=216&omm=0&viewmode=threaded *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 07:32:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 14:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28184 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 14:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 14:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40007.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 14:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724143244.41248.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:32:44 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: PKI adds Scooby Doo To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Check out: http://www.pki.com/corpinfo_press_scooby.jsp I am not sure how this will differ from the other Scooby installations, but it will be interesting to see. In addition, there were teasers about an installation where King Cobra was, so I would not be surprised to see a ride (perhaps a Huss Giant or Mondial Revolution?) there. Adam who always wanted to smoke a doobie with Scooby ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 09:10:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 16:10:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 63733 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 16:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 16:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 16:10:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724161035.43588.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:10:35 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Celebration City To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020724143244.41248.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Check out AmusementBusiness.com for the first official info. on the new Silver Dollar City-owned park. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Wed Jul 24 10:30:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 17:30:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 91356 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 17:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 17:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 17:30:20 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA31818 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:31:28 -0400 Received: by ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256C00.005FC0B0 ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:25:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ABB_USINY@ABB_US01 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256C00.005FBE5E.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:29:49 -0400 Subject: Re: RCT Event Roll Call Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 -Josh Wozny.. Conneaut -Nate K...Conneaut, Kennywood, & SFWoA -jeRemy D. ...Kennywood -Jon Zucker ... Conneaut, Kennywood, & SFWoA - - From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Jul 24 13:47:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 20:47:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 82663 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 20:47:35 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/Pu3vg5aYZ2slMOGnkAlZVWhaSBj6SW12"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8HU2TTY; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:47:24 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:52:42 -0500 Subject: NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 Message-ID: <20020724.155243.-1991655.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,12-13,15,16-32767 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, SFGAm has now publically stated that Whizzer's last day of operation will be August 11. Calling the park at (847)249-1776 will give you a recording that confirms it. Anybody from the list looking to head to the park that weekend? -Nate (who's been telling you this all along...and is still sad it actually happened) coasterdude18@juno.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 24 14:00:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 21:00:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 81998 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 21:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:00:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 2199 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Jul 2002 20:08:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724200817.2198.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:08:17 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20020724.155243.-1991655.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Jul 24, 2002 03:52:42 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Stupid park! Actually, their stupidity will only be known once they announce what will replace it. If it's another mine-type ride, then they are not stupid .. If it's some big gravel-pit, skull-smashing monster, than their stupidity is off the scale! I will be there Sunday (11th) in the evening riding it. Cam. > > Hi all, > > SFGAm has now publically stated that Whizzer's last day of operation will > be August 11. Calling the park at (847)249-1776 will give you a > recording that confirms it. Anybody from the list looking to head to the > park that weekend? > > -Nate (who's been telling you this all along...and is still sad it > actually happened) > coasterdude18@juno.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Jul 24 14:13:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 21:13:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 67181 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 21:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:13:26 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/Hen2qzuxQReHHOF67xa2gMeK91ZWCvdV"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8HWH2AY; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:13:11 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:18:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 Message-ID: <20020724.161831.-1991655.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-13 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > If it's another mine-type ride, then they are not stupid > .. If > it's some big gravel-pit, skull-smashing monster, than their > stupidity is > off the scale! It will be a nicely wooded and landscaped B&M flying coaster. The pond will stay. > I will be there Sunday (11th) in the evening riding it. I'll see you there. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Jul 24 14:18:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 21:18:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7714 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 21:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:18:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 2310 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Jul 2002 20:25:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20020724202549.2309.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:25:49 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20020724.161831.-1991655.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Jul 24, 2002 04:18:27 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > It will be a nicely wooded and landscaped B&M flying coaster. The pond > will stay. And pigs will fly backwards AND upside-down ;-) Sorry if I'm a little over-cynical .. I will get over it. > > I will be there Sunday (11th) in the evening riding it. > > I'll see you there. Shall we meet at 7pm infront of the entrance? Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Jul 24 14:18:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 21:18:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 95304 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 21:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp011.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.31) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:18:18 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:18:18 -0000 To: Subject: RE: NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:15:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020724.161831.-1991655.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >> I will be there Sunday (11th) in the evening riding it. >I'll see you there. Me too! Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Jul 24 14:24:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 24 Jul 2002 21:24:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6252 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2002 21:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2002 21:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2002 21:24:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:24:38 -0700 Received: from 207.68.82.146 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:24:38 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:24:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 21:24:38.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[83EBEA10:01C23358] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.82.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 >> I will be there Sunday (11th) in the evening riding it. >I'll see you there. Me too! Adam that sucks, me and AFLAC were planning on coming out there sometime this summer again, but I doubt I can get off for the 11th! actually there MIGHT be a good chance that I can go! hmmm if i can talk my sister into skipping SCREECH FEST and driving the extra 4 hours up to SGRrAm then MAYBE! but i doubt it... jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Jul 24 22:51:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 05:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 74105 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 05:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 05:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 05:51:31 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/xNOezioEDOSu6vw1j1nl8rvm3DTBEEna"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8JT4WGJ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:50:18 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:55:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 Message-ID: <20020725.005528.-1991655.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,10-17,19-20 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > It will be a nicely wooded and landscaped B&M flying coaster. The > pond > > will stay. > And pigs will fly backwards AND upside-down ;-) > Sorry if I'm a little over-cynical .. I will get over it. Be as cynical as you want, but the same people who told me about Whizzer's removal are the same ones who described the new ride. They were both very clear on the fact that SFGAm will leave the pond and as many trees as possible. > > > I will be there Sunday (11th) in the evening riding it. > > I'll see you there. > Shall we meet at 7pm infront of the entrance? Enterance to the park or Whizzer? Let me know and I'll be there (and any other list members are certainly welcome!). -Nate ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Jul 25 06:02:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 13:02:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 16982 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 13:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 13:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 13:02:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 578 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jul 2002 12:10:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20020725121030.577.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Whizzer is gone after August 11 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:10:30 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20020725.005528.-1991655.3.coasterdude18@juno.com> from "Nate K." at Jul 25, 2002 12:55:23 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > Shall we meet at 7pm infront of the entrance? > > Enterance to the park or Whizzer? Let me know and I'll be there (and any > other list members are certainly welcome!). Sorry .. 7pm at the enterance to Whizzer. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there and I like it! * / //\ ****************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \\, From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Jul 25 08:34:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 15:34:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 85319 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 15:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 15:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 15:34:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2002 15:34:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:34:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RCT Event Roll Call Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <85256C00.005FBE5E.00@ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tommytheduck" X-Originating-IP: 68.71.110.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Is this all that's coming? --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., Jon.Zucker@u... wrote: > > > -Josh Wozny.. Conneaut > -Nate K...Conneaut, Kennywood, & SFWoA > -jeRemy D. ...Kennywood > -Jon Zucker ... Conneaut, Kennywood, & SFWoA > -Brian Farral ... (Maybe) Conneaut, Kennywood, SFWOA > - AFLAC!! -Brian F (Who'll be trying to convince people to go to CP on sun instead of SFWOA!!!) From sfrieze@earthlink.net Thu Jul 25 09:52:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: sfrieze@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 16:52:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 68695 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.232) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 16:52:57 -0000 Received: from kermit.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.241] helo=kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17XlrF-0007Yv-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:52:57 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6PGquJ14873 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:52:56 -0700 To: Group Subject: Silver Dollar City 2003 Sender: sfrieze@earthlink.net Message-ID: From: S Frieze Reply-To: sfrieze@earthlink.net X-Originating-IP: 208.206.143.221 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=86622271 X-Yahoo-Profile: pippeee234567 Hello group, Does anyone know what Silver Dollar City plans to do for 2003? It seems like they build something every two or three years. Thanks for any info! Sarah From rablat5@juno.com Thu Jul 25 14:28:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rablat5@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 25 Jul 2002 21:28:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1834 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2002 21:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2002 21:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m9.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2002 21:28:11 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"LbyvYS7lTUiyQZl1okOiGtSa1BvVcVOsA/UxjN+FLfkSKavP7IfEDA=="> Received: (from rablat5@juno.com) by m9.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8LHP4U7; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:27:02 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:24:24 -0400 Subject: TR: SFGAdv (who came up with some of these operations?) Message-ID: <20020725.172426.-16426595.1.rablat5@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7,12,14-15,29,39-40,42,50,52,55,57,61,64,67-69,71-32767 From: Benjamin R Ashley X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67523852 X-Yahoo-Profile: rablat5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, Well, I went to SFGAdv yesterday (the 4th time this season). The weather in the morning wasn't as good as it was later in the afternoon, but we still got to ride all the major coasters, including BOTH sides of the Chiller and BOTH sides of Rolling Thunder! Even Viper was open! Anyway, on to some random notes... --Medusa started out with ONE train operation! Since when have I seen this! And on a not-so-crowded day, too! --Viper was its usual lousy self, and it, too, only ran ONE train. --I actually had a cool ride on Rolling Thunder yesterday! The left side was open first, and that's when I got the good ride. Take seat 1.2 on the left side of RT. I actually experienced airtime, and on the first camelback after the turnaround, there was nice air to be had! If you ever get the chance to ride this seat, do so. Perhaps the rain added to the performance. The left side didn't seem to squeal as much on the first turn after the station as the right side does. Now, get this. They started out with the left side with one-train operation. Then, later on, they opened up the right side with two-train operation. Well, they closed off the left side, but there were still people waiting to get on. So, for every other train on the right side, they would have people FROM THE LEFT SIDE step through the train (on the left side) and board the train on the right side! People going between and/or over the bars in the middle of the station! What kind of operations are these!?! --Chiler actually ran both sides today. When was the last time I've seen that? Perhaps it was July 16, 1999, but I could be wrong. I finally rode the Robin side with the lap bars. The Cobra Roll was pretty smooth, at least on the forward run. I still like the Batman side's tophat. It's more unique than a cobra roll. How many cobra rolls are out there, as compared to the 3 (excluding Xcellerator) tophats that exist. I didn't catch the Robin side valleying, though. The Robin side sounded like it was scrapping something while on the incline, though perhaps I heard Batman do it, too, but possibly not. Maybe it was the fins scraping the LIMs? --Nitro was the only coaster that ran 3 trains yesterday that I know of. --It's a good idea of them to put those water things near the log flume so guests can get other guests wet, and they're only a quarter. --I don't like the Lo-Q Fast Lane. It is basically a way for guests to pay to cut the line. And it didn't work like the old Fast Lane. They didn't have an entire car on the coasters set aside just for Fast Laners. I'm not sure if there was any order or method to where riders rode with this new system, though. Perhaps the ops just told them where to go, or maybe they asked them? And the ops didn't always (if they did at all) let the people waiting in that queue know what was going on--or maybe I just missed something. Can someone else confirm this? --They stopped letting me use my SFA parking pass there. $10 is a lot to pay to park at a theme park. --They actually had more rides operating than they did on one or more of my previous visits, but it could have been more crowded, too. At least I FINALLY got to get food at Best of the West. --The festival area didn't look that good from what I saw of it, though the arches were ok looking. --The parachute ride was actually open, as well as the Poland Springs Plunge (formerly Riptide). Also, the Log Flume actually opened at the beginning of the operating day, or at least closer than I had seen it earlier this season. --SFGAdv has one of the higher or highest capacity skyrides that I've ever seen. So, do they ever run boths sides? I actually saw the back side operating yesterday. Perhaps I usually see the front side operating. Anyway, thanks for reading. As long as parks like Hershey and Busch Gardens stay as good as they are, we'll at least have somewhere to go that's higher quality. Ben ----------------- "So ya want thrills? Get God and your life will NEVER be the same!"--Ben Ashley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Fri Jul 26 12:49:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 19:49:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 20156 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 19:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 19:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 19:49:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2002 19:49:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:49:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Misc: Calendar Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 299 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "pooh2you2" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.127 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Well Folks, I've been busy with the Calendar, this time. If you see corrections (that you can verify), just let me (or a moderator) know. If you see something that needs to be added (not I'm saying I'm finished, mind you), then just add it; or let me know, and I'll add it for you. ttfn...Alan From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Jul 26 13:05:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 26 Jul 2002 20:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15059 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2002 20:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2002 20:04:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2002 20:04:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:04:55 -0700 Received: from 207.68.82.215 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:04:55 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Ramp Reminder (see ya there!) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:04:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 20:04:55.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6173200:01C234DF] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.82.215] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 Oh yeah, to whomever will be at Kennywood tomorrow, just remember this... Magic Mountain EAT YOUR HEART OUT! (http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery123.htm?Picture=3) jeRemy D. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From asylumgal@yahoo.com Sat Jul 27 12:20:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: asylumgal@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 27 Jul 2002 19:20:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 43445 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2002 19:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2002 19:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2002 19:20:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020727192013.42703.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.186.217.33] by web11606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:20:13 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SFNE & Lake Compounce To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: AsylumGal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4538817 X-Yahoo-Profile: AsylumGal Hi, I've been lurking around here for a little bit and enjoying it very much. We'll be going to Lake Compounce and SFNE for the first time in September and we're really geeked about it. The problem you ask? My 11 year old son doesn't go on coasters! He loves lots of other rides but the only coaster we have ever gotten him on was a woodie and kinda rough (Thunderhawk at Dorney). He said it hurt and jerked him around too much so now he doesn't want to ride them. I told him he should try a steel one because it wouldn't be all jerky, but he is afraid to try anything too big or with loops so we seem to be at an impass. I would never force him, but I think if I could find one that wasn't so big and is nice and smooth I might be able to win him over. Is there anything at either of the two parks we are hitting that fit that discription? I know superman and batman are too big...how is the Poison Ivy ride? I'd appreciate any suggestions! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jul 28 14:14:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 21:14:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 93483 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 21:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 21:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 21:14:40 -0000 Received: (cpmta 25244 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 14:14:39 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.120 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.115) with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 14:14:39 -0700 X-Sent: 28 Jul 2002 21:14:39 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.176] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: SFNE & Lake Compounce X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:14:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020728141439.20760.h006.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >I told him he should try a steel one because it wouldn't be all jerky< I would caution against a steel; many are more rough than wood coasters, mainly because of the over-the-shoulder harnesses. I would say take him on The Lake's Boulder Dash. Sit in the very front. It's very smooth and not that scary. If he doesn't like that ride, he'll probably never like wooden coasters. Junior woodies, like Waldameer's Comet and PKI/D's Scooby Doo are good intro coasters. Superman is extremely smooth in the first or third seat, but *is* pretty scary for someone not accustomed to coasters. Try Poison Ivy there; it's lots of fun in any seat. Thunderbolt in the front is pleasant, but you can't choose your seat and the back can be quite rough. Do *not* take him on Cyclone! He'll probably never ride another coaster in his life! Also avoid Flashback and Batman. Their "kiddie coaster," The Great Chase, is pretty rough as well. Another option is to not push the issue until he's ready to try a coaster for himself. If you love coasters, he'll probably get the bug eventually. Good luck! Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Jul 28 14:16:44 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 28 Jul 2002 21:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 76897 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2002 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 21:16:44 -0000 Received: (cpmta 26388 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2002 14:16:43 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.118 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.115) with SMTP; 28 Jul 2002 14:16:43 -0700 X-Sent: 28 Jul 2002 21:16:43 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.176] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: TR: BGW X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:16:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020728141643.5910.h004.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme On July 20, Karen, the kids and I packed up and headed off for the first stop on our summer vacation: Busch Gardens Virginia. It took about 13.5 hours of driving to get there. We stayed in an air-conditioned Best Western hotel this year (instead of camping as in past years). That was a good choice: for our first couple of days, the temperature hovered at 104 degrees. I had heard a lot of good things about BG and its coasters. The park greatly exceeded my expectations. For our vacation, I planned two days at BG and three days at King's Dominion. I should have scheduled our time the other way around. I could have easily spent a relaxing week at BG and Water Country. This was a first-class, top-notch park with the best general theming and landscaping I've ever seen. Subtle touches like the blue spruce populating Alpengeist and the palms around the Roman Rapids were refreshing. Upon arriving at 10 am, we payed $10 for "Preferred Parking" and I'm glad we did. We parked within a few dozen feet of the entrance. The quaint natural wood latticework of the ticket booths greeted us. The ticket attendant was exceptionally friendly and efficient. In fact, most everyone in the park seemed unbelievably friendly. Workers were constantly waving to guests. Performers were joking around and mugging for the camera. And everything was eerily clean, the way I've heard Disney was. There wasn't a spec of trash anywhere, even in the water! The mood was set from the beginning: after getting our two-day passes, we entered the park--but not really. The ticket booths brought us onto a long winding set of tranquil paths by a rushing waterfall that curved downward toward the "real" entrance into the Banbury Cross section of the park. The idea behind BG was to recreate nine different old world villages: Banbury Cross, Heatherdowns, Killarney, Aquitaine, New France, Rhinefeld, Oktoberfest, San Marco and Fiesta Italia. Each village was rich with architectural and floral detail particular to its origins. I also noticed that there really was no "midway" to speak of. There were innumerable small, winding and interconnecting paths that gave the park a much more intimate feeling and also made it seem more crowded during light attendance. Our first day there was a bit overwhelming. The park was huge, unexpectedly so. The Banbury Cross area had a breakfast nook called The Squire's Galley. All the food courts in the park were cafeteria style. But the food was freshly prepared. This was a perfect example: I ordered orange juice and the attendant placed oranges into a mechanical squeezer and gave me a cup that was as freshly-squeezed as I could get. I was told the food here was great. The orange juice certainly was. The belgian waffle was okay. The steak fries were pretty good. But the service was shockingly slow. Part of the problem (and it's one that's hitting many large parks) is that the help consisted almost entirely of international students. (Here many were from the Czech Republic.) There was a serious language barrier just trying to order the food we wanted. A recreation of Big Ben dominated the center of the Banbury Cross section. A huge chunk of space was taken up by the Globe Theatre (the british spelling!), which housed an elaborately produced 3-D cinema adventure called "Pirates" starring Leslie Neilsen and Eric Idle. All the buildings had the characteristic Tudor look of Shakespeare's time. Handel's Water Music was playing clearly but not loudly from skillfully hidden speakers. As we drifted toward the Heatherdowns section of the park, the music changed subtly to bagpipes. Not that bagpipes are subtle, but the transition was almost unnoticeable. Once in Heatherdowns, we made our way toward the Loch Ness Monster. This ride had a great queue line. I've become tired of being force-fed lame "storylines" via television monitors to try to dress up a fairly standard ride. Here was an organic storyline created just by walking through the queue. There were nautical articles, "Expedition" tents that appeared old and abandoned. And of course, there was a big tank filled with murky bubbling water that had portholes and warnings on it (about a "live creature"). As I waited to board the ride, the theming helped create an aura of suspense that I'd never experienced from a queue. LOCH NESS MONSTER (Arrow, 1978) I know it's a legend, and I know its historical importance in roller coaster development. I like the tiny over-the-shoulder harnesses that don't box my ears. It does have a great tunnel. And I bet it was a real stunning ride when it was first built. BG certainly maintains it well. But the ride experience didn't do much for me. As many of you know, I'm not a big looping fan. The ride was smooth for an Arrow. But to me it seemed like another Arrow mine train with the typical rough transitions. I really liked the theming. I also liked how you couldn't see much of the ride from the station. In fact, all of BG's coasters (except for Alpengeist and Wilde Maus) are almost completely hidden from view. I enjoyed Nessie for what it was and it sure was nice to look at from the river. But it wasn't quite my cup of tea.... From Heatherdowns, we walked across the bridge over a waterfall shrouded in mist to Killarney. The girls wanted to try Corkscrew Hill, so we headed there. Under a huge hand holding a scroll, we entered a long narrow cave passage. The lighting was artfully done inside and the air conditioning was welcomed. Even the emergency exits were labeled in Irish script. There were odd hieroglyphs on the walls. There was Irish music playing quietly in the background. We eventually arrived in a small room and were given our 3-D glasses (green of course). There was a small screen in front of us and it illuminated with the computer-generated image of a stereotypical Irish leprechaun. He told us he was going to shower us with fairy dust to make us one of the little people. The dust he blew out of his hand went right into my face. I had never seen a 3-D effect so convincing. Then a cave section opened and there were multicolored dots lit up on the floor. We stood on the dots, not knowing what was going to happen. A small screen above lit and our guide reappeared to instruct us further. Then hidden doors opened and we stepped in order into a large theater. We sat in our seats and clipped on the seat belt. The whole theater seating was one large moving platform. Then the ride started: we were little fairies in a box that some kids had and we were taken on a wild ride. There were some terrific 3-D effects. The whole film was very well-done and coherent, certainly the best simulator that I've ever experience. Lorikeet Glen was interesting. It was basically an aviary. There were dozens of lorikeets (sort of small parrots) flying around. Guests could enter and feed the birds. They'd sit on your head, eat out of your hand and generally provide comical moments. We then wandered into the Aquitaine area. If anyone needed evidence that this is not a "ride" park, then this section was it. The only ride here (besides the Skyride station) was the Le Mans Raceway. The queue for this, while more utilitarian than Corkscrew Hill, was nicely done with various racing paraphrenalia on the walls. That's another thing that impressed me: almost all of the queues were either under cover or in shaded areas. That was a big plus on the hot days we were there. The Raceway was pretty elaborate. There was actually a two-track set where the cars can "race" even though they go essentially the same speed. There was also a third track (!) which followed a different route, giving this antique-car-style ride a huge capacity. The ride is quite lengthy with BG's signature beautiful landscaping throughout. Aquitaine, with its rustic looks and wood cabins, gave way to the New France area which was filled with chalets and artificial snow and ice. Alpengeist's white trackage dominated this area. There were lots of humorous themed elements: a skier whose legs protruded from a roof, another skier who'd smashed into a wall. We got in line for the coaster, which had another terrific queue, and in short order we were on board. ALPENGEIST (B&M, 1997) This ride was just plain huge. The curving first drop was wonderful. I loved the skis attached to the train cars. I appreciated the typical B&M smoothness, but I began getting really dizzy about halfway through the circuit. There were some great moments, such as the turn before the station where I thought my feet were going to drag on the concrete. But for my taste, the ride was taken at too high a speed and I could feel some really crunching Gs. It was definitely powerful and not for the faint-of-heart. The other ride in this section (actually sharing space with Aquitaine) was the old Arrow (I believe) flume Le Scoot. It had an interesting and unusual layout. Much of it was way up in the air on stilts (like Michigan's Adventure's). The drop was pretty steep. It wasn't too wet but enjoyable. The log did tend to bottom out in the trough quite often. We gradually became exhausted after completing about half of the park. That night we watched "Imaginique," a Cirque-du-Soleil-styled musical performance. The preshow and visuals were interesting, with lots of contrasting neon colors everywhere. During the preshow, mimes in eerie Mardi-Gras-styled costumes posed in the audience and gradually interacted. The lead singer of the main show was really annoying and some of the acrobatics were ho-hum. This was the only show at the park with pre-recorded music. It was also my least-favorite show in the park. The next day we started fresh from the opposite side, in San Marco. The theming of Escape From Pompeii was eye-popping. There were broken statues in the holding pond, romanesque pillars everywhere and that huge stunning building housing the scenic elements of the ride. The boat didn't make much of a splash. The hull was designed so that it skimmed across the water. But the point of this ride really was the theming. Inside the building, the stunts were well-done, though not overly impressive: falling pillars and a statue on fire. It was more fun to look at than to ride, though. The whole San Marco section had some of the most beautiful theming in the whole park. The stucco walls were cracked. Plaster had fallen away revealing ancient brick. There was comical ancient graffiti on the walls. There was the huge Teatro di San Marco, an impressive open-air theater with dozens of ornate cafe tables. The Teatro hosted three shows. I didn't see "Holiday in Roma," but the "Starlight Orchestra" was great: a large big band with singers and dancers. Unlike so many terrible park shows I've seen, all the music in this park was performed live (except "Imaginique"). And the musicians were excellent. In fact, all the shows here were so professionally done I forgot I was at a park. It was more like watching a Broadway production. The music wasn't tired old 80s retreads or disco medleys. There was a lot of thought put into the content. Another fun show there was done by one of the park's many wandering minstral groups. These were "The Rhythm Chefs," who banged away musically on pots and pans and tap danced. I know this description doesn't do the show justice. Trust me--it was really good! We ate dinner at the Ristorante della Piazza. I had some really good spaghetti with marinara sauce and garlic breadsticks. The service was much more efficient there. We then moved on to Festa Italia, which was decorated with lots of colorful plants and banners. Strangely, the restaurant in this area featured Mexican food. The big ride in this section was Apollo's Chariot (aka the ride that beaned Fabio). APOLLO'S CHARIOT (B&M, 1999) It tied with Six Flags New England's Superman as my favorite steel. This B&M masterpiece had everything I wanted in a coaster: glass-smooth comfort, outstanding air time, abrupt and surprising changes of direction and perfect pacing. I liked how my feet didn't touch the floor; I could hold out my arms and legs as I rode for an incredible sensation of freedom. The swooping drop at the turnaround was terrific. The dips over the "Rhine Lake" created a bit of a lull. If there were a couple fountains or a tunnel there it would have been a bit more exciting. I also wished it had been a little longer. But overall this was my favorite coaster of our trip. I could have ridden it all day, but there was still lots of park to see. We moved over to the Roman Rapids. The queue for this was a bit bland, but the ride itself was nicely themed. It was an average rapids ride, not too exciting nor wet. The water level seemed a little low: our raft bottom kept bumping against the steel crossbars in the trough. From the Festa section, it was a loooonnnng walk to Oktoberfest. There really weren't many forms of transportation throughout the park. There were three impressive train stations (in Festa, New France and Heatherdowns). There was also an interesting 3-point skyride (in Banbury Cross, Aquitaine and Rhinefeld). But even by using a combination of those rides, it could be difficult to get from one area to another. A themed monorail would be a welcome addition to cover areas not served by the train and skyride. (And to think Busch just sold their monorail to Kennywood!) The bridge to Oktoberfest is really impressive, spanning the Rhine river and offering views of the boat ride, Big Bad Wolf, Loch Ness Monster and Alpengeist. Our son Mike and I headed right for Big Bad Wolf. BIG BAD WOLF (Arrow-Huss, 1984) I had seen videos of this ride and since it was Arrow's first attempt at a suspended coaster I was expecting a ride like Cedar Point's Iron Dragon. I liked how the trains just disappeared off into the forest and later returned, but there was no clue as to where they went. I found the seat to be a little tight. The restraints were much more heavily padded than Nessie. I think a lap bar would have been fine for this ride. The trains looked in terrific shape for their age. They left the station swiftly and turned sharply left, engaging the typically noisy Arrow lift. The first drop was surprisingly tiny and I was getting ready to relax. Then all hell broke loose. I don't know where that train got its energy from, but we blasted through that famous hidden village and I was holding on for dear life. We engaged the mid-course brakes abruptly and inched our way toward the second lift. We climbed the noisy lift and crested the peak. I looked down and thought, "Ummm...we're not going to make it through this one..." I could not believe how long and steep the drop was. Even though a trim brake valiantly held the train back, we flew down that hill, careened around the river and shot back up the hill, turning in an s-curve and hitting the brakes. Although I knew how short the ride was, I was a bit disappointed. There was so much leftover energy after both the first and second parts of the ride. I wish more had been done with it. But overall I was really impressed. Mike and I rode it two more times; the second trip was quite a bit rougher than the first, probably because of the train (the park was running two). Each time the ride never ceased to terrify me. I had thought that the "village" was simply the backs of buildings on the midway. But it was actually a fully constructed village just for that ride! I was pleasantly surprised by it, and BBW certainly holds a place in my top ten steel coasters. It's now definitely my favorite Arrow ride. One other thing about this ride: it has the strangest transfer tracks I've ever seen. The track sections are piggybacked and they spin on their axes. We checked out the massive Festhaus. It's billed as the largest indoor eatery in the country. The clearspan building is elaborately decorated with German village scenes. The large round bandstand in the center of the room featured a German band and dancers. The band "magically" rose up to the ceiling during their performance. I had an odd pizza of sorts there. It was a bit dry and tasteless. (We vegetarians can have a difficult time foraging for food at parks....) This building also had a huge beautiful stained glass window in front featuring the Anheuser-Busch eagle. The neighboring Rhinefeld area had a wonderful gift shop featuring hundreds of handmade clocks: Grandfather clocks, cuckoo clocks, novelty clocks. Some were priced at $4000, others were priced at $11. There was a lifesize cuckoo clock above the Wilkommen Ice Cream Shop that "performed" every fifteen minutes. I love clocks, so this area held my attention for quite a while.... The shops had lots of stained glass windows. The Rhinefeld also had one of the best ensembles in the park: the Boogie Band, a 7-piece brass ensemble dressed in something resembling navy uniforms. They would march into the area next to the Rhinefeld's big fountain and perform an energetic and humorous selection of jazz and funk. There was one coaster in this section, Wilde Maus. WILDE MAUS (Mack, 1996) This ride had the worst theming in the whole park. Actually, it didn't have any theming at all. It looked completely out-of-place. It was a pile of yellow steel on a block of red concrete. The center of the ride was completely open. Anything could have gone there to spruce it up: a statue, a clock tower, a beer stein, a cheese-on-a-stick stand.... It looked like BG got cheap one year and stuck in a carny ride. And the ride itself wasn't that great. It was heavily braked. I don't get it. I don't know why that ride was in that park. It just didn't fit. We did take the train ride (where we viewed the now abandoned Drachen Fire station) and the Skyride. Both were relaxing and enjoyable. I felt sad to leave Busch Gardens so soon, but I know we'll return. I really liked the offerings it had. I would have liked to have ridden one good wooden terrain coaster. But their selection of steel coasters was pretty impressive. Even if there weren't any coasters at all, I could have happily spent my time wandering about the immaculately maintained landscapes of this truly magnificent theme park. When I rode Great Escape's Comet after its rebuild I was spoiled; I knew how good a wood coaster could be and I expected all wood coasters to be as good. In much the same way now, I know how good a theme park can be and I'll forever have higher expectations. From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Mon Jul 29 04:39:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 11:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 50655 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 11:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 11:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 11:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2002 11:39:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:39:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SFNE & Lake Compounce Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020728141439.20760.h006.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1365 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "fluffythegod3000" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., jay@k... wrote: > >I told him he should try a steel one because it wouldn't be > all jerky< > > I would caution against a steel; many are more rough than wood > coasters, mainly because of the over-the-shoulder harnesses. i guess being a steelie fan, i'd have to disagree with you on this point. i find steel coasters to be quite a bit more smooth than woodies(especially where SFNE is concerned). > Also avoid Flashback and Batman. once again, i gotta disagree with you on the Batman. the times ive ridden it, its been extremely smooth. its also quite short and has a pretty small lift hill, which for a kid might be a large part of their trepidation about coasters. i dont know a lot of kids who could handle Superman, regardless of how smooth it is. the height is very intimidating to a kid. If time permits, you might want to head up to Salem, NH., and hit Canobie Lake Park, since it has a steel mouse coaster, which i think is a good starting coaster for a kid. it also has a lot of other good flat rides, as well as a fairly smooth woodie, and a smaller version of SFNE's S&S Double Shot ride Scream, called Starblaster. if you get the time, its worth the trip, and is not too far from SFNE. hope this helps(www.canobie.com for more info too). -Doug, who hopes to finally get to LC this saturday!!! From asylumgal@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 04:51:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: asylumgal@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 11:51:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 82419 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 11:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 11:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 11:51:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20020729115135.86867.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.186.217.33] by web11606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 04:51:35 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 04:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFNE & Lake Compounce To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20020728141439.20760.h006.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: AsylumGal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4538817 X-Yahoo-Profile: AsylumGal --- jay@karenandjay.com wrote: > I would caution against a steel; many are more rough > than wood coasters, mainly because of the >over-the-shoulder harnesses. > I would say take him on The Lake's Boulder Dash. > Sit in the very front. It's very smooth and not that >scary. If he doesn't like that ride, he'll probably >never like wooden coasters. Actually I showed him pictures of Boulder Dash and he is offering to ride it...for a price! LOL I'm considering his offer.:-) He says he will think about Poison ivy, I just hope it's running smooth the day we go. I'm really more of a steel fan but I cannot wait to ride BD! I think it's odd he doesn't want to ride coasters since he loves things like downdraft, which I don't ride. (round and round makes mom go woopsie sometimes) Thanks for the advice! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From asylumgal@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 08:36:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: asylumgal@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 15:36:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 974 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 15:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 15:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web11601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 15:36:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20020729153645.52969.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.186.217.33] by web11601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:36:45 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: SFNE & Lake Compounce To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: AsylumGal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4538817 X-Yahoo-Profile: AsylumGal --- fluffythegod3000 wrote: > i guess being a steelie fan, i'd have to disagree > with you on this > point. i find steel coasters to be quite a bit more > smooth than > woodies(especially where SFNE is concerned). I'm a steel fan also and I do find them much smoother than the woodies I have ridden. Course it could be that I haven't ever ridden a really good woodie, I guess I'll find out at LC. > once again, i gotta disagree with you on the Batman. > the times ive > ridden it, its been extremely smooth. its also quite > short and has a > pretty small lift hill, which for a kid might be a > large part of > their trepidation about coasters. Our son has an aversion to the looping and corkscrews as well as a big lift hill. ::sigh::: > > If time permits, you might want to head up to Salem, > NH., and hit > Canobie Lake Park I wish there was time for another park but we are going in September and the parks are only open on weekends so after whale watching off of Cape Cod on Friday, we have Saturday for LC and Sunday for SFNE. I think they should stay open everday in the fall just for me! I guess the one in NH will have to wait til our spring trip. :-( Thanks for the suggestions! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From KristyJSM@aol.com Mon Jul 29 09:43:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KristyJSM@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 16:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 31206 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 16:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 16:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 16:43:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2002 16:43:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:43:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SFNE & Lake Compounce Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020727192013.42703.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1425 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kristyjsm" X-Originating-IP: 141.154.106.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61734350 X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm > My 11 year old son doesn't > go on coasters! He loves lots of other rides but the > only coaster we have ever gotten him on was a woodie > and kinda rough (Thunderhawk at Dorney).... > I know superman and batman > are too big...how is the Poison Ivy ride? I'd > appreciate any suggestions! > The SFNE:Poison Ivy ride is an excellent choice- sit in the front the first time around and later when confidence builds try the last car. I had the same problem with my husband who was- not 11 but 28- when I finally convinced him that coaster are really fun! My son on the other hand (almost 4) doesn't quite understand why he cannot ride the big coasters! His favorite is Poison Ivy because "it's for the big kids". Flashback can be rough on the head and not much thrilling. The new Batman from my family's point of view is very smooth. Superman would be too intense... Mind Eraser can be a bit rough. The Chiroparactor- I mean- Cyclone is brutal. The Thunderbolt tosses you around but can be a bit fun though and not so intimidating. Sorry I can't provide any insight to Lake Compounce- I mean I only lived 20 minutes away for about 4 yrs and never been- except I saw a concert with that #1, talented, awesome, radical- and just plain too cool singing duo Milli Vanilli. (Okay I'm being sarcastic now and it WAS the 80's!) BTW I really enjoyed Canobie Lake (great family park) but it is 2+ hrs from SFNE. From KristyJSM@aol.com Mon Jul 29 09:51:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: KristyJSM@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 466 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2002 16:51:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:51:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: TR: SFNE Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "kristyjsm" X-Originating-IP: 141.154.106.162 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61734350 X-Yahoo-Profile: kristyjsm Here's for the shortest tip report ever (maybe?) Me and the family went to SFNE on Saturday- tickets via work. Rides I went on =1. Balloon Race: This is a great little flat spin ride that contrary to the warning sign can be quite inviting for the pregnant women to ride. When one is deprived by not being able to get on anything else just shows you'll just about do anything. Okay that's about it! As for the rest of the park: I can only tell you that the 2 kiddie sections are very lively with a good assortment of happy and screaming kids (and rides too). My son wants to know how many peanut butter and jelly sandwiches will it take to get him to grow to the goal height of 54". From bill@childsfamily.com Mon Jul 29 10:32:23 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 17:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 52178 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 17:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 17:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 17:32:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.191] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2002 17:32:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:32:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SFNE & Lake Compounce Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020729153645.52969.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1351 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., AsylumGal wrote: > > --- fluffythegod3000 > wrote: > > i guess being a steelie fan, i'd have to disagree > > with you on this > > point. i find steel coasters to be quite a bit more > > smooth than > > woodies(especially where SFNE is concerned). > > I'm a steel fan also and I do find them much > smoother than the woodies I have ridden. Course it > could be that I haven't ever ridden a really good > woodie, I guess I'll find out at LC. > Much of this depends on how you define "smooth." Jay has discussed this before (more articulately than I), but basically: Yes, a steel coaster often has less "shakiness," because the trains' wheels are gripping the track, essentially. But for me that's false smoothness - - I prefer the smoothness of a good wooden coaster, where there's motion but not jerkiness in transitions, random and unpredictable jerks throughout the ride (not to mention jerks in line, but that's another issue), and so on. Thus, I find Viper at SFGAm much smoother than Shockwave at the same park, and I find Boulderdash to be wild and high-intensity but smooth. I'm not sure I'd call Boulderdash a great ride for a hesitant rider. It really does feel out of control. Wildcat, which is running very well, may be a better place to start. -B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 12:27:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 19:27:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 97945 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 19:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 19:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40006.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 19:27:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20020729192713.24245.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:27:13 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: RCT Event To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I just wanted to say that I hoped the people who were brave enough to attend the RCT get-together this weekend was a good time. I know that in the end it seemed to come together on a much smaller scale (less people, no ERT, etc.) than we had originally envisioned. But, hopefully you all enjoyed the experience and it can work as a springboard to something better next year. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 12:38:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 19:38:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 2270 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 19:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 19:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 19:38:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2002 19:38:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:38:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: NEWS: Financing, Weather Delay Opening For 1st Russian Park Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "afrsandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Amusement Business July 29, 2002 PARK OPENS WITH 10 ATTRACTIONS Financing, Weather Delay Opening For 1st Russian Park Admiral Vrungel Theme Park, in Gelendjik, Russia, opened its gates for the first time July 6, several months late, and many attractions short of what was originally set to be in operation on opening day. Financing and the weather combined to slow the development of the park, but the owners, Pax Design of Moscow, was determined to get the park opened this year. With only 10 attractions in operation, nearly 15,000 people crowded the park on opening day. Admission was free and the rides were free. Admission was to remain free, with rides on a pay-as-you-go basis for several weeks. "This is Russia's first attempt at a theme park, and the people aren't familiar with the concept," said George Laibe, the American project manager for the park. "By having free admission, more people will be able to visit the park and see what's going on. Eventually, they will charge a small admission with rides priced individually." The opening ceremonies were attended by several government officials as well as by Vladimir Gnezdilov, president of Pax. An evening concert featured Russian pop singers and a fireworks show attracted more than 25,000. The $40 million (U.S.) park originally was to open with 10 children's rides, 12 family rides, and four thrill rides. It opened with six Pax rides, the Cobra, a themed shuttle loop coaster; the Wild Train family coaster; Mars, a full revolution swing ride; Wasp, a swinging pirate ship; Little Sailor kiddie swings; and a 58-foot tall Ferris wheel. Additional attractions included bumper boats, a kiddie train, a kiddie carousel and a trampoline (AB, Feb. 4). The Cobra coaster will be dismantled in August and will be shipped to Dallas, where it will be one of the featured rides at the 2002 State Fair of Texas. Laibe will oversee its operation there. He said the park's additional rides will be added throughout several phases. The wooden coaster, touted as Russia's first since the 1700s, has been delayed, but Laibe told AB it looks like construction on the ride could start early this fall. Theming will also be developed in phases. "Right now, only the front entrance is themed," he said. "As the additional rides are added, the areas will be themed, as well." Written by: Tim O'Brien From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon Jul 29 12:45:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 29 Jul 2002 19:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 37017 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2002 19:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2002 19:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ganymede.jtan.com) (207.106.84.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2002 19:45:19 -0000 Received: from raven (root@thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by ganymede.jtan.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6TJjGK10253 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:45:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: RCT Event Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020729192713.24245.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Gregory Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the gathering at my own home park (Kennywood). For that I apoligize, but I was out of town at my nephew's Christening. As the godfather, I really DID have to be there. ;-) --Greg From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Jul 29 18:47:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 01:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 97502 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 01:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 01:47:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 01:47:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWoxfucRbsf+d6A7mulqGHg9SWpnCRnjYxw=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8W952SS; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:46:29 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:42:37 -0700 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: San Diego County Fair Message-ID: <20020729.184238.-42336813.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,13-14,24-25,48-49,51-52,64-67,84-85,90-91,103-104,112-113,116-117,124-125,134-135,140-141,149-150,155-156,168-169,171-172,207-217 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 I'm finally writing this, though I still need to write the long Coaster Con TR's , plus two more KBF TR's, a DCA TR, and an additional SFMM TR from Sunday. I'll probably do that one after this one, then I'll do the Coaster Con ones, one KBF, DCA, then the other KBF. I'm gonna keep using the -3 to +5, cause I'm used to it. I'm gonna rate each ride too, not just the coasters. Anyways, onto the TR. We went to the fair, for the first time in about 2 years, on July 5, a Friday. Sadly, it wasn't one of the days they had the wristbands, so I had to pay for each ticket. I'm definitely going on a wristband day next time. This was also my first time actually going on a ride while there. And this trip was a great Xperience for Xhilirating Xtreme flatrides (sorry, just went to SFMM and drove by a dozen KBF billboards). I have been on few flats before this, as one of my primary parks is SFMM. Anyways, we got to the fair around 1 or so and took the tram in. We drove by what appears to be a SCAD tower, at least it did the same thing. I never got a chance to really check it out, but I think they had it last year too, but it wasn't operating. We got in and I bought some tickets and told my dad I'd meet him at 2, cause he wanted to check out the monster trucks. I walked in by the Carousel, Cliffhanger (Hanglider ride), Zipper, and a few others to the main ride area. I wandered about for a couple minutes to check out what they had. I was unable to find the looping coaster I remembered, much to my dismay. I eventually decided on the Hi-Miler coaster for my first ride. (Miler?) Hi-Miler: +3 (Though my experience would've given it a really bad rating). 5 car train, 2 riders per car. I rode in the 4th car I think. I'm pretty sure this is a Miler coaster, because the layout is similar to Scandia Screamer's and the name seems to be a hint. Anyways, the layout provides some good airtime on most drops and is fairly swift throughout with little roughness. And, one thing that normally would be awesome is the wonderful lats on the Mouse style turns with little banking in a quick turn. But..., since I was a single rider and there are no dividers and the train has little padding, I was slamming into the side of the car on each curve and had to hold on for dear life and I came off the ride in pain. But, if I was with someone else, I could've slammed into them at least. Anyways, a fairly good small coaster, a little old, a few bumps, but not bad. And those turns were insane. I enjoyed it much more than the Screamer (though Screamer was less painful) since the Screamer seemed slow and we got very little air on the drops. Scandia Screamer seemed like a very slow, smooth, boring, shorter version of Colossus @ SFMM (Sorry Adam). My dad claims it's his least favorite coaster and he's been on Psyclone and Colossus (more on that in the other TR's). I don't hate the Scandia Screamer as much as him, as it wasn't really painful at least, just boring. The Windstorm in Washington was far worse, along with Flashback. But who knows, maybe it was just a bad day for it, or maybe in a bad seat. I'll have to try it again some day. Moving on. Next I wandered over to the Top Spin next door, as I've wanted to experience one of these for some time. (Sonari?) Top Spin: +1. I was expecting this to be an insane Hammerhead, but the swinging action just seemed a little boring and painful. The seats were rather uncomfortable. I think if I was more comfortable I'd raise it up a point and a half. I was also wearing my jacket filled with all my stuff in the zipper pockets so I don't lose anything (A must for most flats), but it also is bulky and makes some rides uncomfortable and unnerving as all the stuff in the pockets shifts and makes me think its gonna fall out, despite the zippers. Anyways, the ride was OK, but I couldn't ride it repeatedly, and it didn't seem too natural. It was allright, but there were far better rides. Maybe other companies make these better though, I dunno who made this one. I'm still inexperienced with flats. I wandered a bit, watched the Evolution, and decided it looked like fun. (KMG or Fabbri?) Evolution: +4.8. This ride is pure INSANITY! The only reason it's not a five is it made me a little sick (a first) and I don't think I could ride it repeatedly. You sit in what looks like a giant Afterburner type ride in one of a bunch of cars around the outside holding 4 riders each. It starts off the ride cycle by spinning a bit and starting to swing. Then the cars rotate facing inward and all hell breaks loose. You make tons of swings over the top, all the while spinning and having the cars flip over. The ride cycle was at least 3 minutes long and I'm sure you must be upside down for almost half of that. On one part, it's upside down with the ring of cars at the top spinning around with you are hanging upside down. That lasts between about 15 and 30 seconds. There also must be several programs as my ride seemed very long, at least 3 minutes, felt like 4, while another was about 3, and my dad's ride was about 2.5 minutes. One irony about it though was that it was my favorite ride, but I only tried to take two pictures, and one ended up being of my feet. Opps. Anyways, this is definitely the best flat ride I've experienced. After this I found my dad and we wandered around trying to find the launched pseudo-coaster and the looping coaster, but had no such luck. But we did get a nice look at the kids section with the two kiddie coasters. I got back later, and from then I'm not really sure of the exact order of the rides I did, so I'll just guess. (? Crazy Mouse. I heard the company once) Crazy Mouse: +3. Had to wait a minute or two, then I got on. There is a divider between the two sides of the car, two people on each side. Then each side has a lapbar and each person has a seatbelt, which they didn't have us put on, though I would've liked to. It was a fairly fun ride, but because I was a single rider again, I was being slammed back and forth on each turn, so I wish I could've worn the seatbelt. The spinning didn't start until the lower switchbacks. It was kinda fun going down the drops backwards, but overall, I didn't care for the ride a ton. It just didn't really feel like a mouse or something, or maybe it was because I was sliding around, but I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. Maybe I'll like the one at KW a lot more (leaving to Philadelphia tomorrow). (?) Re-Mix: +4. This ride was pretty cool, though I had a hard time getting into it because you have to jump up quite a bit. Anyways, it's just your usual spinning flat, kinda same set up as a scrambler (I'm bad at describing these) except it raises up and your feet hang. It's kinda like the Experience, except it doesn't invert. Anyways, you just spin around and get whipped around, with a ton of inverted coaster like g's going to your feet. Fun ride, but it seemed a little short. Pretty intense. Very enjoyable. I think I bought a hot dog after this. It was okay, but they do have more interesting food there, we just weren't spending much money. I think my dad left again around this time. (KMG Afterburner?) Xtreme: +2. Kinda like a pirate ship with spinning and inverted seating. You face the inside. It was a fun ride, a little airtime, but the first part with just a little swinging was disappointing, as I was always on the lowest part due to the spinning. It eventually got a lot more fun, but only for a little bit. Nothing too extreme, though it was kinda neat to see the other riders. The floor lowering was cool. (KMG Experience) Experience: +4.2. This one looked very similar to the Re-Mix, just seemed smaller for some reason. The pods were also like the cars on a Invertigo. Anyways, it was pretty much the same as the Re-Mix, except there was less inverted style g's, it inverted a lot, and was a lot more disorienting. I think I liked it just a little more just because of those two reasons, and it seemed longer. Pretty good ride. Just not quite as intense. Also, this ride was themed to superheroes a bit, it had a big mural in back that looked pretty much inspired by Marvel comics. It had what looked like the X-Men, Spiderman, Batman, etc. (Chance Inverter) Inverter: +2.5. Not totally sure when I rode this one and Spin Out. It seemed kinda like a less intense Hammerhead. It wasn't too scary or anything, it seemed smoother and less intense. It was a ride I could keep riding real easy cause it wasn't really nauseating or intense. (KMG?) Spin Out: +4.5. Another really good ride. This one is actually very compact, it looks a little like an Afterburner's ring thing, attached to a curved arm, which is attached to a base. The base rotates, so that you change your view a bit more, while the arm rotates, so that you go upside down, and the ring spins. Very intense, a little nauseating. Weird g's, unlike any I've experienced before. Seemed like a long ride cycle. The ride operators were pretty nice too. It was Nascar themed. Really good, intense ride. Around this time (I think, I just know it was after the Spin Out, just not sure when that was) I started to feel a bit sick, so I sat down for about 15 minutes, then tried to find some water, and finally did after a lot of searching. After that, I found my dad and had him ride Evolution, since I still wasn't feeling that great. Then I went over and rode Storm. (?) Storm: +3.5. This ride was really surprising, it didn't look like much. There are 2 large cars on a platform, with two of these platforms on a still larger platform. All of these spin and cause a great Tilt-A-Whirl type effect. The ride has loads upon loads of g's, especially in the seat where I sat, near the outside. I every time we spun, I would get stuck to the wall to my right, and my face would get pulled to the right a bit. This ride seemed really long, though it probably wasn't. I think the sign outside said it had 3 g's. It was also pretty colorful, it would probably look good at night lit up. A nice, sickening, intense ride, where everything is a blur. Only downfall was that nothing was really unexpected, like the Experience or the Evolution, but it was still a real good ride. After that, my dad rode it, then we left. Still a little disappointed I missed the old looping coaster and the launched pseudo-coaster. Some of the other rides there that I didn't get a chance to ride, but would've liked to ride, and probably will next time: Mega Drop (looked good, I just didn't have enough tickets), Kamikaze (Never been on one, but I think I can wait), Sound wave (Music Express type ride, canopy comes over the top, think they're called Caterpillars), Ring of Fire (Never been on one, but I'm sure I will someday with all of them everywhere), Zipper (ditto), Cliffhanger (looked kinda fun and tame), Hard Rock (I really wanted to ride this, but I was starting to feel a bit sick), SCAD Tower looking ride (I'd have to pay extra though), Ejector Seat (looked kinda fun), Starship (never gone on one, probably can easy though), and a dark ride or two. Other rides they had, but I didn't care about as much: About 5 dark rides, about 8 fun houses, log flume, Grand Wheel, Scrambler, Waveswinger, Bumper Cars, Alpine Bobs, Falling Star, Tilt-A-Whirl (woo-hoo!!!), Slide, Carousel, and tons of kiddie rides. I had a really fun time, one of the first times I've rode many flat rides. I'd definitely like to go back next year and try out some of the rides I missed. Just need to go on a bracelet day next time. Anyways, I'm leaving tomorrow, probably go to Dorney on Wednesday, Hershey on Thursday, Kennywood on Friday, Coney Island on Sunday night or Monday, and possibly Conneaut Lake on the following Sunday (I remember someone on here said they could meet me there too, I still don't know if I could though, since we're not sure when we'll get there. Maybe if I have access to a computer I'll know more later.). Found out I'll be in Maine the same time as the ACE Preservation Conference, but we don't plan on going, maybe at most, stopping by Fun Town on one of those days. And I still don't really have any set time for Knoebels, hopefully I'll be able to go, but I probably will be able to. Any last minute tips will help, especially how long I should stay at the parks. I'm thinking all day for Hershey and Dorney, as much as possible at Kennywood, but I'll probably be getting there later, 2 hours at Coney Island, 3 at Conneaut Lake (a few re-rides on Boulder Dash), and I really don't know about Knoebels, as there's a lot I'd like to do there, but I'm not sure how much time I'd need. Guess I need to start packing. Or maybe I should procrastinate some more. I'll try to get some more TR's done when I get back home. This will be like 15 TR's I need to do now. Ugh. Oh, and for fun, updated top five flats list: 5.Tampico Tumbler (more re-ridable than Hammerhead though) 4.Hammerhead 3.Experience 2.Spin Out 1.Evolution Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 19:55:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 02:55:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 49237 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 02:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 02:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 02:55:08 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 02:55:07 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: RE: TR: San Diego County Fair Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >We went to the fair, for the first time in about 2 years, on July 5, a Friday. Sadly, it >wasn't one of the days they had the wristbands, so I had to pay for each ticket. I'm >definitely going on a wristband day next time. Yes, those fairs can get VERY expensive when you ride a lot. >Anyways, we got to the fair around 1 or so and took the tram in. We drove by what >appears to be a SCAD tower, at least it did the same thing. That is owned by an extreme rides company called Amusement Management International. > I enjoyed it much more than the Screamer (though Screamer was less painful) since the >Screamer seemed slow and we got very little air on the drops. Scandia Screamer seemed >like a very slow, smooth, boring, shorter version of Colossus @ SFMM (Sorry Adam). >My dad claims it's his least favorite coaster and he's been on Psyclone and Colossus >(more on that in the other TR's). I don't hate the Scandia Screamer as much as him, as it >wasn't really painful at least, just boring. The Windstorm in Washington was far worse, >along with Flashback. But who knows, maybe it was just a bad day for it, or maybe in a >bad seat. I'll have to try it again some day. >Moving on. That’s ok…I have my Evolution comments below :). If you were not impressed with the first rides on Scandia I would encourage visiting again (preferably at night). If you still don’t like it I guess we will invoke the ole Sandy/Norris clause, lol. >(Sonari?) Top Spin: +1. I was expecting this to be an insane Hammerhead, but the >swinging action just seemed a little boring and painful. The seats were rather >uncomfortable. I think if I was more comfortable I'd raise it up a point and a half. I was >also wearing my jacket filled with all my stuff in the zipper pockets so I don't lose >anything (A must for most flats), but it also is bulky and makes some rides >uncomfortable and unnerving as all the stuff in the pockets shifts and makes me think its >gonna fall out, despite the zippers. Anyways, the ride was OK, but I couldn't ride it >repeatedly, and it didn't seem too natural. It was allright, but there were far better rides. >Maybe other companies make these better though, I dunno who made this one. I'm still >inexperienced with flats. I want to say this was done when Soriani & Moser were still together. That is too bad that it ran a crappy program. Not too many in the U.S. seem to run good ones. >(KMG or Fabbri?) Evolution: +4.8. Fabbri >Anyways, this is definitely the best flat ride I've experienced. This is where I will have to disagree, lol. As I said in my TR after my first Evolution experience last winter, I thought the Evolution sucked a big one. I just found my ride boring and pointlessly repetitive. I will try one again when I get the chance, but my hopes won’t be set too high. The clause will probably come out again. >(? Crazy Mouse. I heard the company once) Crazy Mouse: +3. Had to wait a minute or >two, then I got on. There is a divider between the two sides of the car, two people on >each side. Then each side has a lapbar and each person has a seatbelt, which they didn't >have us put on, though I would've liked to. It was a fairly fun ride, but because I was a >single rider again, I was being slammed back and forth on each turn, so I wish I could've >worn the seatbelt. The spinning didn't start until the lower switchbacks. It was kinda fun >going down the drops backwards, but overall, I didn't care for the ride a ton. It just >didn't really feel like a mouse or something, or maybe it was because I was sliding >around, but I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. Maybe I'll like the one at KW a >lot more (leaving to Philadelphia tomorrow). This is a Reverchon and owned by independent operator Steve Vander Vorst. I had the same reaction after riding my first Reverchon mouse this year. It was fun, but nowhere near as good as I thought it would be. >(?) Re-Mix: +4. This ride was pretty cool, though I had a hard time getting into it >because you have to jump up quite a bit. Anyways, it's just your usual spinning flat, >kinda same set up as a scrambler (I'm bad at describing these) except it raises up and >your feet hang. It's kinda like the Experience, except it doesn't invert. Anyways, you just >spin around and get whipped around, with a ton of inverted coaster like g's going to >your feet. Fun ride, but it seemed a little short. Pretty intense. Very enjoyable. This is done by Tivoli of England and sold by AmTech of Texas. Essentially the ride is an Orbiter with the floor taken off and OTSR’s added. >(KMG Afterburner?) Xtreme: +2. Kinda like a pirate ship with spinning and inverted >seating. You face the inside. It was a fun ride, a little airtime, but the first part with just >a little swinging was disappointing, as I was always on the lowest part due to the >spinning. It eventually got a lot more fun, but only for a little bit. Nothing too extreme, >though it was kinda neat to see the other riders. The floor lowering was cool. The Afterburner is a fun ride, sadly many people here do not seem to run them quite as fast as they should be. I love the “whoosh” as the entire arm flies down from the apex of the swing. >(KMG Experience) Experience: +4.2. This one looked very similar to the Re-Mix, just >seemed smaller for some reason. The pods were also like the cars on a Invertigo. >Anyways, it was pretty much the same as the Re-Mix, except there was less inverted >style g's, it inverted a lot, and was a lot more disorienting. I think I liked it just a little >more just because of those two reasons, and it seemed longer. Pretty good ride. Just not >quite as intense. Also, this ride was themed to superheroes a bit, it had a big mural in >back that looked pretty much inspired by Marvel comics. It had what looked like the X->Men, Spiderman, Batman, etc. I am jealous, I really want to get on one of these things! >(Chance Inverter) Inverter: +2.5. Not totally sure when I rode this one and Spin Out. It >seemed kinda like a less intense Hammerhead. It wasn't too scary or anything, it seemed >smoother and less intense. It was a ride I could keep riding real easy cause it wasn't >really nauseating or intense. I’m sorry you had to get on this :). I have just never really cared for the Inverters. If no one has heard lately, every portable inverter (and possibly all of them?) are currently grounded because of a problem with the gearbox. >(KMG?) Spin Out: +4.5. Another really good ride. This one is actually very compact, it >looks a little like an Afterburner's ring thing, attached to a curved arm, which is attached >to a base. The base rotates, so that you change your view a bit more, while the arm >rotates, so that you go upside down, and the ring spins. Very intense, a little nauseating. >Weird g's, unlike any I've experienced before. Seemed like a long ride cycle. The ride >operators were pretty nice too. It was Nascar themed. Really good, intense ride. Basically the only way to know who made this is to look at the manufacturer plate. This is because this was KMG’s first quality spectacular. Because they were not well known they signed a contract with Tivoli/AmTech to distribute them in the U.S. This is why both companies make and sell the ride, although a percentage of each version AmTech sells goes to KMG. >(?) Storm: +3.5. Wisdom (aka a piece of sh*t) >This ride was really surprising, it didn't look like much. There are 2 large cars on a >platform, with two of these platforms on a still larger platform. All of these spin and >cause a great Tilt-A-Whirl type effect. The ride has loads upon loads of g's, especially in >the seat where I sat, near the outside. I every time we spun, I would get stuck to the wall >to my right, and my face would get pulled to the right a bit. This ride seemed really >long, though it probably wasn't. I think the sign outside said it had 3 g's. It was also >pretty colorful, it would probably look good at night lit up. A nice, sickening, intense >ride, where everything is a blur. Only downfall was that nothing was really unexpected, >like the Experience or the Evolution, but it was still a real good ride. I saw this at Gibtown (the carnie IAAPA). It looks interesting, but like most Wisdom rides, will fall apart after a season or two. >After that, my dad rode it, then we left. Still a little disappointed I missed the old >looping coaster and the launched pseudo-coaster. I still want to see pictures of the launched pseudo-coaster! >Some of the other rides there that I didn't get a chance to ride, but would've liked to ride, >and probably will next time: >Mega Drop (looked good, I just didn't have enough tickets) I have heard great things and will be on my first one in less than two weeks! >Kamikaze (Never been on one, but I think I can wait) It can…they suck. Basically a more painful version of the Intamin looping ships. >Sound wave (Music Express type ride, canopy comes over the top, think they're called Caterpillars) This was probably a Mack >Ring of Fire (Never been on one, but I'm sure I will someday with all of them >everywhere), Zipper (ditto) You have not been on a Zipper?! Try it next time. They are very fun rides…although you might get a little queasy on it. >Hard Rock (I really wanted to ride this, but I was starting to feel a bit sick This was done by Fabbri and I think it is the only one in the US >Grand Wheel Try this one out, too. If you like taking pictures it gives an awesome shot of the midway and is the largest transportable wheel in the US. Thanks for the awesome tr. I always enjoy reading about more flatrides. Adam who will be on the Top Scan soon! *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 20:03:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 03:03:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 99243 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 03:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 03:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp014.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 03:03:15 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 03:03:14 -0000 To: Subject: RE: One more thing, TR: San Diego County Fair Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy If anyone does not know what some of the rides in the TR look like, the pics on Twisted Rails of the LA County Fair feature many of the same rides. http://www.twistedrails.com/lafair/lafair.shtml Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 20:07:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 03:07:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 65119 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 03:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 03:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp014.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 03:07:35 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 03:07:34 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: NEWS: A different look at Markey in the media Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.projo.com/opinion/contributors/content/projo_20020729_them.21cce. html Eric Peters: Amusement parks are in for a bad ride 07/29/2002 ALEXANDRIA, Va. AT FIRST GLANCE, the Brain Injury Association of America appears to be just another of the well-heeled nonprofit groups that cluster in this affluent downriver suburb of the nation's capital -- seeking to do well by doing good. Except for one disturbing fact: Many of the directors and advisory board members of the BIA and its state affiliates are also directors, officers or members of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America. So many, in fact, that some lawyers have taken to referring to it as a "charitable front" organization for the ATLA. And indeed, the BIA and members of ATLA currently are working hand-in-glove on a scheme to sue American amusement parks for megabucks by creating a public panic over the effect of the G-forces generated by roller coasters on the human brain. Surmising that today's computer-engineered roller coasters are higher, faster and exert more G-forces than their rickety wooden predecessors, the personal-injury lawyers decided to link brain injuries to the G-forces exerted by roller-coaster rides. They had only one, slight problem -- a shortage of actual victims. In fact, they could only find 58 such "victims" over the past 30 years -- all on a survey list compiled by a controversial New Jersey pathologist named Claus Peter Speth. As it turned out, 11 of the cases cited by Speth, who was convicted of evidence and witness tampering in Essex County, N.J. in 1997, occurred in amusement parks in Europe and Japan. And the vast majority of the 47 U.S. cases on Speth's list have only tenuous links to so-called "thrill rides." They involve brain-injury victims who, coincidentally, at some point in the past had ridden a roller coaster. And there is no scientific evidence to support such a link. Bear in mind that U.S. amusement parks annually attract about 320 million paying customers, and the industry's safety record consistently tops most other popular forms of summer recreation, including bicycles, swimming pools, softball and trampolines. That's according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, which found amusement park injuries average just over 2 per 100,000 visits in 2000 -- down 14 percent from the year before. Most of the injuries that occur at fixed-site amusement parks such as Six Flags or Disney World, it should be noted, are self-inflicted by people who ignore numerous warning signs and do dumb things like stand up on rides that require them to remain seated and buckled up. Nevertheless, the "roller coaster" lawyers are successfully trolling for clients by using their association with BIA to hype the "latest high-risk danger facing Americans vacationers this summer." The lawyers and the BIA are pushing a bill by Rep. Edward J. Markey (D.-Mass.) to bring the nation's amusement parks -- already heavily regulated at the state and local level -- under federal jurisdiction, a move that would open the door for a spate of multi-million dollar class-action lawsuits. Markey, who recently urged the Brain Injury Association to form an independent "blue-ribbon panel" to study the issue, appears to be unaware of the BIA's intimate connection to personal-injury lawyers. His bill, the National Amusement Park Safety Act, draws a causal link between brain injuries and the G-forces exerted by roller coasters based almost entirely on Speth's dubious and basically undocumented study. The orchestrated publicity campaign by the personal-injury lawyers, Markey and the BIA is bearing fruit. Dozens of U.S. newspapers and TV stations have done stories on this "latest health crisis" over the last few months. None mentioned the heavy presence of personal-injury lawyers among the Brain Injury Associations' top officers. No less than a dozen of the nation's most influential personal-injury lawyers hold crucial positions with BIA. With that kind of leadership, it's not surprising that the flagship program of the group is its BIA Attorneys 100 Program, which has "the recognized responsibility to the public to ensure that litigation in brain injury results in the best possible outcome for the individual . . . and provides valuable financial support to the Brain Injury Association." Injuries from any kind of summer activity, of course, are no laughing matter. And there's little doubt that many personal-injury lawsuits are justified. But the current collaboration between some of the nation's wealthiest lawyers and a health advocacy group like the Brain Injury Association to file frivolous lawsuits based on media hype against an industry with an exemplary safety record bodes ill for summer fun seekers. If the personal injury lawyers are successful, they'll walk away with multimillion-dollar awards that could bankrupt some amusement parks and force others to shut down popular attractions or charge higher prices to pay for increased insurance premiums. That's one ride America's vacationing families shouldn't be forced to take. Eric Peters is a nationally syndicated consumer and legal affairs journalist. *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From gburnash@bigfoot.com Mon Jul 29 22:57:18 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 05:57:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 39131 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 05:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 05:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out019.verizon.net) (206.46.170.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 05:57:18 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out019.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020730055717.BYRR9549.out019.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3D462ABC.5040405@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:57:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: One more thing, TR: San Diego County Fair References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Adam Sandy wrote: > If anyone does not know what some of the rides in the TR look like, > the pics > on Twisted Rails of the LA County Fair feature many of the same rides. > http://www.twistedrails.com/lafair/lafair.shtml thanks for that note Adam. That was one of my questions that you headed off. Also, by the way, do you know what carnival company that this was? Was it Ray Carmack? If so, I'll get an opportunity on Weds to experience several of them myself as that's opening day for the Ventura County Fair, which they are working, and which I'll be at. Looking forward to it this year cause we have a bunch of prepaid ride tickets this year! Yea, I get some rides this time!! :-) keep on ridin' George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Jul 29 23:43:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 06:43:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 51782 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 06:43:08 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWuYUR25zAmFacTSQNDPkk69zPK0sKioA5Q=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8XS3QXQ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:42:19 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:38:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: TR: San Diego County Fair Message-ID: <20020729.233805.-1215741.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-27,31-60,70-87,98-129,138-157,162-183,191-208,211-231,234-271,274-281,286-295,309-324,330-334,337-343 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 > > I enjoyed it much more than the Screamer (though Screamer was less > painful) since the >Screamer seemed slow and we got very little air > on the > drops. Scandia Screamer seemed >like a very slow, smooth, boring, > shorter > version of Colossus @ SFMM (Sorry Adam). >My dad claims it's his > least > favorite coaster and he's been on Psyclone and Colossus >(more on > that in > the other TR's). I don't hate the Scandia Screamer as much as him, > as it > >wasn't really painful at least, just boring. The Windstorm in > Washington > was far worse, >along with Flashback. But who knows, maybe it was > just a bad > day for it, or maybe in a >bad seat. I'll have to try it again some > day. > >Moving on. > > That’s ok…I have my Evolution comments below :). If you were not > impressed > with the first rides on Scandia I would encourage visiting again > (preferably > at night). If you still don’t like it I guess we will invoke the > ole > Sandy/Norris clause, lol. I'll just have to convince my dad to go again. lol. Maybe in around Sept. again, when we usually go over to that area. Where do you prefer riding it? I'm thinking we rode in the front, so maybe that was why it was slower. > >(Sonari?) Top Spin: +1. I was expecting this to be an insane > Hammerhead, > but the >swinging action just seemed a little boring and painful. > The seats > were rather >uncomfortable. I think if I was more comfortable I'd > raise it > up a point and a half. I was >also wearing my jacket filled with all > my > stuff in the zipper pockets so I don't lose >anything (A must for > most > flats), but it also is bulky and makes some rides >uncomfortable and > unnerving as all the stuff in the pockets shifts and makes me think > its > >gonna fall out, despite the zippers. Anyways, the ride was OK, but > I > couldn't ride it >repeatedly, and it didn't seem too natural. It was > allright, but there were far better rides. >Maybe other companies > make these > better though, I dunno who made this one. I'm still >inexperienced > with > flats. > > I want to say this was done when Soriani & Moser were still > together. That > is too bad that it ran a crappy program. Not too many in the U.S. > seem to > run good ones. I dunno, maybe it was just me that I disliked it. I'm just curious if they're all like this. But really, I don't think anyone really cared for the one at the fair, it only had three riders when I went (sad), with just a few people watching (I used the opportunity to make faces). Well, I think I'll be able to try a few new ones on my trip. I think Compounce has one. I'll try to make a point to at least try one new one. I bet I still won't be getting on a Top Scan though, I have a feeling none of the parks have them. Though I remember hearing of one in NY on here. And I wish I could go to Rye Playland to try out that coaster and compare it to our local one. > >(KMG or Fabbri?) Evolution: +4.8. > > Fabbri > > >Anyways, this is definitely the best flat ride I've experienced. > > This is where I will have to disagree, lol. As I said in my TR > after my > first Evolution experience last winter, I thought the Evolution > sucked a big > one. I just found my ride boring and pointlessly repetitive. I > will try > one again when I get the chance, but my hopes won’t be set too high. > The > clause will probably come out again. Either you had a bad program, or (most likely) you just don't like that kind. Oh well, I think different people really like different kinds of flats. I think there's the intense ones (Top Scan, Re-Mix), disorienting (Evolution, Experience), looping (Ring O' Fire, Kamikaze, Inverter), spinning (scrambler, Breakdance), in a circle (Musik Express, the Alpine Bob's thing, Caterpillar), G machines (Storm, Gravitron, Rotor), whipping (you guessed it, a Whip, and maybe the Top Spin, cause it kinda whips you when you flip), hanging upside down for long periods of time (Top Spin, Roto-Shake, Evolution), insane (any flat should be this way), and combinations of these (Spin Out, Evolution, most of them). I guess you could make a few others, but I don't have time for that. > >(? Crazy Mouse. I heard the company once) Crazy Mouse: +3. Had to > wait a > minute or >two, then I got on. There is a divider between the two > sides of > the car, two people on >each side. Then each side has a lapbar and > each > person has a seatbelt, which they didn't >have us put on, though I > would've > liked to. It was a fairly fun ride, but because I was a >single > rider again, > I was being slammed back and forth on each turn, so I wish I > could've >worn > the seatbelt. The spinning didn't start until the lower switchbacks. > It was > kinda fun >going down the drops backwards, but overall, I didn't > care for > the ride a ton. It just >didn't really feel like a mouse or > something, or > maybe it was because I was sliding >around, but I didn't like it as > much as > I thought I would. Maybe I'll like the one at KW a >lot more > (leaving to > Philadelphia tomorrow). > > This is a Reverchon and owned by independent operator Steve Vander > Vorst. I > had the same reaction after riding my first Reverchon mouse this > year. It > was fun, but nowhere near as good as I thought it would be. I still much prefer the old wild mouse at Adventure City, Tree Top Racers, with The Lego Technic Coaster at Legoland CA as a close second. I still don't get what George saw in the one at DCA, other than that it had OK theming (not as good as Legoland's) and only had one brake (the one at Legoland had quite a few, but I really didn't mind them much for some reason, maybe it needs another try). Well, Hershey's on Thursday. For some weird reason I find mice interesting. Maybe cause I was relatively deprived of them until last year, or something else (I can think of a few obscure reasons). > >(KMG Afterburner?) Xtreme: +2. Kinda like a pirate ship with > spinning and > inverted >seating. You face the inside. It was a fun ride, a little > airtime, > but the first part with just >a little swinging was disappointing, > as I was > always on the lowest part due to the >spinning. It eventually got a > lot more > fun, but only for a little bit. Nothing too extreme, >though it was > kinda > neat to see the other riders. The floor lowering was cool. > > The Afterburner is a fun ride, sadly many people here do not seem to > run > them quite as fast as they should be. I love the “whoosh” as the > entire arm > flies down from the apex of the swing. Yeah, I was really looking forward to this, cause I've seen a few before (one of the many fairs by my house I've never really gone to, The Oaks Park, SCBB?) and they looked really cool. It's a fun ride, a little relaxing at first, gets a little intense, but it never really seemed to get anywhere. > >(KMG Experience) Experience: +4.2. This one looked very similar to > the > Re-Mix, just >seemed smaller for some reason. The pods were also > like the > cars on a Invertigo. >Anyways, it was pretty much the same as the > Re-Mix, > except there was less inverted >style g's, it inverted a lot, and > was a lot > more disorienting. I think I liked it just a little >more just > because of > those two reasons, and it seemed longer. Pretty good ride. Just not > >quite > as intense. Also, this ride was themed to superheroes a bit, it had > a big > mural in >back that looked pretty much inspired by Marvel comics. It > had > what looked like the X->Men, Spiderman, Batman, etc. > > I am jealous, I really want to get on one of these things! Good ride, just it seems pretty small, and it wasn't until I saw it go that I relized it wasn't a family ride. Maybe cause it looks so new or because of the picture of the little kid saying "This is my favorite ride!". I really enjoyed it, I'd like to try it again though, because I think we were upside down for a while, cause I kept feeling my tickets wanting to fall out of my pants pockets (ditched the jacket) and it was getting me worried. That and trying to show off to a girl, I was pretty occupied. > >(Chance Inverter) Inverter: +2.5. Not totally sure when I rode this > one and > Spin Out. It >seemed kinda like a less intense Hammerhead. It wasn't > too > scary or anything, it seemed >smoother and less intense. It was a > ride I > could keep riding real easy cause it wasn't >really nauseating or > intense. > > I’m sorry you had to get on this :). I have just never really cared > for the > Inverters. If no one has heard lately, every portable inverter (and > possibly all of them?) are currently grounded because of a problem > with the > gearbox. I didn't hate the ride, it just wasn't that exciting. Like a very tame Hammerhead. Hanging upside down like that doesn't really qualify as fun for me. Though I do like the Hammerhead. > >(KMG?) Spin Out: +4.5. Another really good ride. This one is > actually very > compact, it >looks a little like an Afterburner's ring thing, > attached to a > curved arm, which is attached >to a base. The base rotates, so that > you > change your view a bit more, while the arm >rotates, so that you go > upside > down, and the ring spins. Very intense, a little nauseating. >Weird > g's, > unlike any I've experienced before. Seemed like a long ride cycle. > The ride > >operators were pretty nice too. It was Nascar themed. Really good, > intense > ride. > > Basically the only way to know who made this is to look at the > manufacturer The only one I that I really looked for it on too! I couldn't find it, but could see a few places to check next time. I was gonna ask one of the operators, but never got a chance. > plate. This is because this was KMG’s first quality spectacular. > Because > they were not well known they signed a contract with Tivoli/AmTech to > distribute them in the U.S. This is why both companies make and > sell the > ride, although a percentage of each version AmTech sells goes to > KMG. I remembered the name AmTech from somewhere. Must have been this. > >(?) Storm: +3.5. > > Wisdom (aka a piece of sh*t) > > >This ride was really surprising, it didn't look like much. There > are 2 > large cars on a >platform, with two of these platforms on a still > larger > platform. All of these spin and >cause a great Tilt-A-Whirl type > effect. The > ride has loads upon loads of g's, especially in >the seat where I > sat, near > the outside. I every time we spun, I would get stuck to the wall >to > my > right, and my face would get pulled to the right a bit. This ride > seemed > really >long, though it probably wasn't. I think the sign outside > said it > had 3 g's. It was also >pretty colorful, it would probably look good > at > night lit up. A nice, sickening, intense >ride, where everything is > a blur. > Only downfall was that nothing was really unexpected, >like the > Experience > or the Evolution, but it was still a real good ride. Opps, typo, was meant to say "Only downfall was that nothing was really unexpected, [un]like the Experience or the Evolution, but it was still a real good ride." > >After that, my dad rode it, then we left. Still a little > disappointed I > missed the old >looping coaster and the launched pseudo-coaster. > > I still want to see pictures of the launched pseudo-coaster! I'll scan a picture of the article in our Southern CA ACE newsletter that has a two pics and info and send it to you. Do what you want with it, you can post it to the group site, I just don't have time right now. It may be the only pictures you'll ever see of it, as it wasn't there this year, along with the Pinfari Looping Star. Dunno where they went. > >Ring of Fire (Never been on one, but I'm sure I will someday with > all of > them >everywhere), Zipper (ditto) > > You have not been on a Zipper?! Try it next time. They are very > fun > rides…although you might get a little queasy on it. Yeah, I'm a flat ride novice. Sad, I know. On a side note, I saw what looked like another Rock-O-Plane yesterday at the Wild Rivers waterpark. I didn't realize they were so small. There used to be one at Marshal Scotties by my house and it used to look so much bigger. BTW, I checked on that park and their coaster, and I guess they've received a lot of interest in it and a few bids, so we're gonna give up on acquiring it. I expected no one really cared about it and that the trailer park owning it was clueless on the pricing. At least there's some interest in the park. Oh, and also, I saw a light blue flat ride on a trailer go by my neighborhood recently, it had 4 round bucket pods and looked like a few arms they attached to. Kinda liked a weird scrambler in a way. Anyways, on a website that kind was listed as a "Tilt-A-Whirl", but that definitely isn't the kind of Tilt-A-Whirl I'm used to, even though the coloring is similar, so I was wondering what this is. > >Hard Rock (I really wanted to ride this, but I was starting to feel > a bit > sick > > This was done by Fabbri and I think it is the only one in the US Now I really want to ride it. > >Grand Wheel > > Try this one out, too. If you like taking pictures it gives an > awesome shot > of the midway and is the largest transportable wheel in the US. It did look like a fairly good wheel. And now at least I enjoy Ferris Wheels more, after my trip to DCA. As long as I don't have to ride the kind where your feet hang. I'll hopefully be able to get on Deno's at Coney Island. Only problem, now that I think about it, is that I'll probably be going there at night, and won't be getting many good pictures. > Thanks for the awesome tr. I always enjoy reading about more > flatrides. No problem. I just wish they didn't take me so long. Next will either be SFMM from my trip last week, DCA (I really want to do that one), or one from my next trip. > Adam > who will be on the Top Scan soon! Ryan S. Who wishes he could be on a Top Scan soon. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Jul 30 00:48:38 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 07:48:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 86528 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 07:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 07:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 07:48:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/vUmiIKIuuTPWG8IzGX8w1gyVHlZORUzj"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8XWUPCT; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:48:22 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:53:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: TR: San Diego County Fair Message-ID: <20020730.025325.-1978459.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-11,13-15 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >(Chance Inverter) Inverter: +2.5. > I’m sorry you had to get on this :). I have just never really cared > for the > Inverters. If no one has heard lately, every portable inverter (and > possibly all of them?) are currently grounded because of a problem > with the > gearbox. SFWoA's was up and running (one arm, however) on Sunday, which is really too bad. At least I didn't have to go on it. Watch for trip reports from the RCTalk event soon, followed by reviews of SCBB, PGA, and (finally) IOA and Dania Beach. -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Jul 30 01:07:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 08:07:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 38006 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 08:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 08:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 08:07:14 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/oGyJbdvSkzQxK6qCB3FpBxyhVFpwdAcZ"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8XXVUZ2; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:06:29 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:11:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: RCT Event Message-ID: <20020730.031153.-1978459.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,11-13 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Since my trip report isn't ready yet, I just want to post something short here to thank those who attended the event. Overall, I think the event was a success and I, at least, had a really great time. Chris and I arrived at Conneaut too late to ride anything and never managed to find anyone at SFWoA on Sunday, but Kennywood was a lot of fun. And the park put on a good show for us by giving us free ERT on the skycoaster and an Exterminator ride/walk through with the lights on. Okay, so maybe the Exterminator thing was just an electrical issue and the free skycoaster rides were thanks to Chris (certified skycoaster God at TGE) - we had a good time anyway. Thanks to Chris, Brian, Jeremy, Jon, and Josh for that! -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 05:58:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 12:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 5916 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 12:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 12:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 12:58:03 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 12:58:03 -0000 To: Subject: RE: One more thing, TR: San Diego County Fair Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:54:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D462ABC.5040405@verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Also, by the way, do you know what carnival company that this was? Was >it Ray Carmack? Close, lol, it is Ray Cammack Shows. >If so, I'll get an opportunity on Weds to experience several of them myself as that's opening >day for the Ventura County Fair, which they are working, and which I'll be at. Looking forward >to it this year cause we have a bunch of prepaid ride tickets this year! > Yea, I get some rides this time!! :-) Have a good time, it is a great show! Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 30 06:38:27 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 13:38:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 22551 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 13:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 13:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.121) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 13:38:26 -0000 Received: (cpmta 26713 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 06:38:25 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.129 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.121) with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 06:38:25 -0700 X-Sent: 30 Jul 2002 13:38:25 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.118] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: SFNE & Lake Compounce X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020730063825.29490.h015.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme >i find steel coasters to be quite a bit more smooth > than woodies(especially where SFNE is concerned). < A ride inside a cement mixer would be smoother than SFNE's woodies. ;-) (Well, TBolt isn't *all* that bad....) It really is a matter of finding a well-maintained wood coaster. At Six Flags, that's next to impossible. But places like Knoebel's and The Lake demonstrate how smooth and fun a woodie can be if properly taken care of. Once you've ridden a well-maintained wood coaster, you'll discover how neglected so many others are. On the other hand, out of all the steel rides I've been on (80+), most I've found to be quite jarring. B&M of course is usually an exception. SFNE's Batman I found to be rough, and also very disorienting. There's too much too quickly. But I agree that Poison Ivy would be a very good starter coaster. It really doesn't matter too much where you sit on that long train; the forces are pretty mild. >I mean I only lived 20 minutes away for about 4 yrs and never been< How sad! If I were 20 minutes away, I'd be there every day! >except I saw a concert with that #1, talented, awesome, radical- and just plain too cool singing duo Milli Vanilli.< That was in the "dark days" under Joseph Entertainment. The park is a completely different, much more inviting place now. Go check it out! Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Tue Jul 30 06:42:24 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 13:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28136 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 13:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 13:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 13:42:23 -0000 Received: (cpmta 11943 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 06:42:21 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.137 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.138) with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 06:42:21 -0700 X-Sent: 30 Jul 2002 13:42:21 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.118] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: TR: PKD X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020730064221.18427.h022.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For the second half of our trip, we drove an hour north of Williamsburg and arrived at the Best Western King's Quarters on July 23rd. Our room was acceptable, if nothing special. The great thing about this hotel was that it was located in the parking lot of Paramount's King's Dominion. I had purchased season passes online, which was the least expensive way to go for our three days there. The weather had turned cloudy and slightly cooler (in the 90s), but it was still quite humid. After checking in, we hopped on the shuttle to the park entrance. This must sound completely stupid, but I couldn't get over how much this place looked like King's Island. The massive fountain in the plaza seemed to have more gusto somehow. But I was to discover that the similarities between the parks ended at the Eiffel Tower. While I found King's Island to have uncomfortable stretches of open pavement and almost no well-themed areas, PKD had some wonderful theming in places, and much more shade. The park was clean, not to the extent Busch Gardens was but acceptably so. We headed up the Eiffel Tower to get our bearings. One of the first things I noticed from the air was in Nickelodeon Central: the Rugrats Toonpike. This would have been one of my childhood fantasies fulfilled, an entire kid-sized cityscape with miniature cars that I could drive. Unfortunately, I was a bit too big for it.... The park was pretty vast, but didn't appear as large as Busch Gardens. All but one of the park's twelve coasters (the Taxi Jam coaster) were clearly visible. I was really struck by the mass of Volcano The Blast, and amazed by the shooting fire that would erupt from the volcano mouth every other launch. Since the park had three wood coasters and we hadn't yet been on one during our trip, we headed over to the famous John Allen classic Rebel Yell. The park was sparsely populated, and we didn't have to wait long for the front seat of the forward train. As we approached the station, the two trains were sent out simultaneously. "Great," I thought. "They're racing!" The ride ops actually held trains so that they left together. It turned out to be not that much of a deal, because I quickly lost site of the other train anyway. (And that was the only day of our stay that the trains raced.) Yes, Rebel Yell was quite famous. And yes, it looks like at one time in the distant past the tracks were greased with liquid graphite. But those days have passed. There were a couple moments of decent airtime (notably at the turnaround), but other than that the ride was a shell of its former self. There was persistent jackhammering at the bottom of every hill. It took all my strength to keep my spine from being jarred. I figured that it was an old coaster, in need of some new trackage. I suggested we try a newer ride: the Hurler. Incidentally, what is it with this park and their exit queues? The exit for Rebel Yell went on forever! It could have simply emptied onto the midway, but kept zigzagging irrationally for no apparent reason. It was almost as long as the entrance. Most of their coasters did this. Are they trying to cut down on re-rides? We'd been hearing the loud "THUD! Whoooosh!" of Hypersonic from across the park. I had feared this ride wouldn't run while we were at there. But all three days they ran efficient two-train operation with no down time. We had to walk by Hypersonic to get to Hurler. Since I didn't know how long it would stay operational, we decided to ride it then. The line stretched onto the midway alongside the return track. It fascinated me, watching the odd train lumber over to the launch point, idle and then blast up the vertical tower, barely crest the tight hill and then plunge earthward, whip around the turn, jog left and right, hop over the speed bump and scream into the brakes. The whole trip took about 20 seconds. I walked up to the attendant to discover that no one was in the queue line! The attendants held people in front of the queue, and then gradually let eight people at a time through. I asked how long the wait was, and was told about 40 minutes. As it turned out, we were in the front seat in about 30 minutes. Not bad for a ride that has had up to a five hour wait! In his famous ad, Stan Checketts stood atop his Power Shot on the Strastosphere Tower, over 1000 feet off the ground, with no restraints holding him there. The guy must love adrenaline rushes. That's what this coaster was. It wasn't a great ride. It wasn't even exactly fun. But it certainly was an adrenaline rush. We sat in the odd molded seats and were pressed into the confining restraints. The train slooowwwwly crept out of the station on its inflated square wheels. (Why else would there be so much bouncing on a flat steel track?) It came to a halt in front of the race lights and locked onto the cable launch hook. The pneumatics wheezed as the system was primed with air. The lights turned from red to yellow to green. Then it felt like somebody jumped on top of my chest. In a heartbeat we had shot straight up and crested the 165-foot high hill. There was briefly sustained ejector air and then we plummeted straight back down the other side at enormous speed. We whipped around the heavily banked turn. Then we flew over that odd little jog in the track. I slammed into my restraints, all the while bouncing up and down. We hopped over the speed bump with no perceptible air time and hit the brakes. That was it. To paraphrase Bill Childs, the ride's a one-trick pony but it's a great trick. The launch was extremely intense, too much for me. I know this was a prototype (I think PKD has more prototype coasters than any other park in the country--and they've vowed never to get another) but I wish more had been done with the enormous amount of energy the train had. A couple more hills would have been nice. The whole time we were at the park, I never saw a long line for it. I also didn't bother taking another ride. Maybe it's just too intense for the general public. After that, we went across the midway to Hurler. This whole "Grove" section of midway seemed really haphazard. There was lots of cracking asphalt with little shade. Rides, games and food booths seemed randomly scattered around. Hurler's station, an ugly metal building that had Paramount's logo on it, was huge. I know this ride was supposed to be themed to Wayne's World, but I've never seen the movies so none of the theming made any sense to me. It looked like a dumping ground for Paramount's props and lighting department. Rusted lighting instruments were confined in an area surrounded by chainlink fence. Dismembered baby doll parts hung from a conveyor. There were numerous televisions throughout the station, but they were all dark. The only clue what this was about (besides the ride name) was a lone director's chair on the exit side of the station. It had the name "Dana Carvey" on it. I wish I had ridded this coaster when it was new. It must have kicked butt. Once again, greased tracks were a thing of the past here. The layout was interesting, with the first drop diving into that heavily banked 180-degree turn like Hercules. The ride seemed pretty short. Each hill gave outstanding air time. But the bottom of each hill was like riding over rocks. It was really painful. I wish this coaster would get a little TLC from someone like Martin and Vleminczx. It could easily be one of my top ten wood coasters. As it was, I wouldn't ride it again. We took a break and headed back to the hotel to unpack. We ran into Paul Greenwald on the way, one of the founding members of ACE and WNYCC. We chatted for a while. He mentioned something that was news to me: Six Flags bought Arrow, just to get the plans for X so they could fix it. After settling into our room, we headed for the hotel's Denny's, which looked more like a Swiss chalet. We had a decent meal. They served veggie burgers! And then it was back to the park. Volcano the Blast was too tempting to ignore, so we headed for the well-themed Congo section of the park. The volcano itself was really impressive. The queue for the ride winds through it. I could see the remnants of their old boat ride out front. I could feel the intense heat from the jets of flame that the volcano intermittently shot off. If I could feel that heat from so far away, what must it be doing to the track, which is right next to it? The layout really didn't look like much: after coming out of the volcano mouth, the train circled to the left and turned 180 degrees. There was a barrel roll then the train began a figure-eight circuit in what seemed like slow motion. Each crossing featured a barrel roll (a total of three), and then the train picked up an enormous amount of speed and dove into the left side of the volcano. After a wait of about an hour, we were in line for the front seat. It was really eerie, watching the Intamin trains drift around that left hand turn out of the station and head toward the dark tunnel at the base of the volcano, only to abruptly get sucked in and disappear in an instant. In short order we were locked in to our comfortable seats and were on our way. Rounding that corner out of the station, I could see light at the end of the tunnel. And suddenly we were there. Like Vertical Velocity, the launch was not crushing like Hypersonic. It was smooth and comfortable, but exhilarating. Out of the tunnel, we were whisked around a 180-degree left turn banked at about 90 degrees, and then blasted into a completely dark tunnel with another LIM launch. From there we were catapulted 155-feet straight up out of the volcano mouth, flipped upside down and then began our figure-eight circuit. The scenery was breathtaking. The barrel rolls were a blast, perfectly executed so that I was floating in my restraints. There were lots of great moments where I thought my legs were going to be lopped off by the surrounding structure. And then as quickly as we started, we zoomed down into the side of the volcano with alarming speed and hit Intamin's characteristically smooth magnetic brakes. Like Hypersonic, this coaster really didn't do much. But I think it was a much more successful "one trick pony" than Hypersonic. The Volcano theming really helped set the mood. The ride experience was controlled, exciting and awe-inspiring. It was disorienting, but not dizzying. It made me want to ride again. I really wasn't expecting much from this ride (which I've come to learn is beneficial) and it surprised and delighted me. Night was falling by that time. The volcano's blasts looked even more impressive. The girls wanted to ride the Xtreme SkyFlyer, a double Skycoaster. It was advertised as 174 feet tall, but that was the height of the big arch. We were actually dropped from 153 feet. We had ridden the Skycoaster at Lake Compounce, which has a 180-foot drop. But this one seemed higher for some reason. I like the sort of bullseye on the ground. And it was fun to shoot off toward Hypersonic's trackage. We bought a video of our flight and called it a night. An attendant there told us (this was no secret) that next year the park is getting a 305-foot Intamin Gyro Drop. There was a big ad for it at the construction site in The Grove. The structure for one of the magnetic brakes is rising. The next two days were a little cooler and completely overcast, with occasional mist coming down. It was a relief from the blistering heat earlier in the week. As I examined the park map, I noticed a curious rating system that King's Dominion was using. A ride was given a number from one to five with one being a "mild ride" and five being an "extreme thrill ride." The map said the ratings were based on the "intensity, speed and directional changes of each individual ride." Using this system, Eiffel Tower was a mild ride, but the Blue Ridge Tollway (antique cars) was a "mid-thrill ride." For many people, especially those with acrophobia, the Eiffel Tower is absolutely terrifying because of its height. How can it be less thrilling than slow autos on a track? Xtreme SkyFlyer was designated a "high thrill ride," but so was the Rebel Yell, which I felt was relatively tame. It seemed like more of a marketing gimmick than a useful tool. Karen found Avalanche (the bobsleds) much more unsettling than Hurler, yet it got a lower rating. I don't know how they can rate their rides like that, because each guest has different fears. At any rate, we began our second day by trying out the Paramount Action FX Theater, which was showing the 3-D film Meteor Attack. It was pretty standard fare. The story line was a hasty mess, with too much happening too quickly. As Shakespeare once said, "sound and fury signifying nothing." The movement of the chairs was jerky. My feet kept slapping onto the floor as the chair violently dipped downward. We wandered into the Old Virginia section of the park, which had a nice waterfall under a bridge and lots of mature trees shading the paths. The Blue Ridge Tollway had a few people in line, so we checked it out. It was the only antique car ride I've ever been on that simply wound its way through a forest. It was a refreshing break. The loading station was set up to dispatch three cars at once, which was a little odd. Normally I'd expect cars to have a little distance between them, but they would travel the single track in clumps of three. Next we walked across the midway to check out the stage show "Graveyard Shift." It seemed out of place to watch a Halloween show in the middle of summer. The enclosed Paramount Theater was large, with odd benches for seating, more like a church. There was a warning at the entrance that volume levels in excess of 90 decibels were used. The stage was set up to look typically Halloweenish, with a stylized graveyard scene and dry ice vapor on the floor. The show itself was trash. Our girls absolutely love shows at park, much more than rides. Yet they wanted to walk out on this one. The performers were energetic, but the premise was tired, the musical parodies were so terrible I was cringing and of course the music was canned (and blisteringly loud). This was the type of show I'd grown to hate at parks. It made us want to run back to Busch Gardens. After that disheartening waste of time, we decided to check out Shockwave, the old TOGO stand-up. TOGO's King Cobra (R.I.P. *sniff*) at King's Island was one of my top five steel rides. It was small but potent, and certainly the smoothest stand-up coaster I'd ever ridden. It also had a fun, surprising layout and airtime. I thought Shockwave was its clone. I was wrong. Off the the excruciatingly slow lift there was a drop into a loop and then a double helix, but that's where the similarities ended. There wasn't much airtime, but there was a lot of shaking and banging. There was no trick track, no little rabbit hops. Just a bucketload of pain. One ride was enough for me. After that we needed a break so we headed for the Arrow flume, Shenandoah Lumber Co. Like the trip on the antique cars, the bulk of the flume's trough wound through a heavily forested area. It was a quick relaxing ride. There are coin-operated water cannons located near the bottom of the flume's steep drop. If it weren't for that, you wouldn't get wet. (As it was, nobody squirted us anyway.) Our experience with wood coasters here wasn't exactly stellar. But there was one more woodie in the park, so we decided to give it a shot. Grizzly had an odd narrow winding queue winding through a forested area where the ride was hidden. The station was absolutely massive. The ride op (who appeared to be a supervisor) was having fun repeatedly clubbing the station microphone with a height stick. We saw this often in the park: ride ops and attendants were more interesting in fooling around than paying attention to their job. They were running one train and before we got on maintenance arrived and they added a second. Unfortunately, I got the front seat of that second train. (I say "unfortunately" because I was expecting a much slower ride then.) Once again, grease was absent from the track. When the train engaged the lift, the chain pulled the front of our car up off the track. We rode the upstops all the way to the top of the lift. Unlike all the other coasters in the park except Flight of Fear, you couldn't see the layout of this ride. The first drop swiftly curved left and rose to a long slow left-hand turnaround. That offered a great view of the wooded landscape. Then the train dove down and encountered a series of rabbit hops giving great air, a tunnel, a lightly banked fan curve to the right, more rabbit hops of various sizes and a swift turn back toward the station. The ride seemed surprisingly short. There were good laterals, great airtime and good speed. But that old smoothness problem was here; lots of shuddering and some really heavy positive Gs. Out of the other wood coasters in the park though, this was the best of them. We made our way back toward Nickelodeon Central to catch Slime Time Live. Young kids (up to twelve years old) really seemed to love this. I've never watched the show so it all seemed pointless to me. Kids vied in a competition (which served to increase brand-awareness in Nickelodeon assets) to eventually have a bucket of green-colored water dropped on their heads. The only reason we went was to witness a "live" appearance of one of the most surreal cartoon characters ever created: Spongebob Squarepants. Talk about marketing--this character was saturated throughout the park. Everywhere we looked there were Spongebob dolls, banners, pins, posters, shirts...it was endless and a bit numbing. Two-thirds of the way through the show, Spongebob appeared to a canned soundtrack and sang a song to make sure everyone was having fun. We weren't. Karen and the girls needed a break from all this "fun" and went back to the hotel. Mike and I continued exploring the park. The first time I was at King's Island, Outer Limits: Flight of Fear was just being built. The second time I was there, I didn't get to ride it. So I made sure that this time I was able to experience the first LIM-launched coaster--with lapbars. We headed off for the Congo section and found the entrance. I was impressed how the bulk of the building where most of the trackage actually was seems to disappear from the midway. All we saw approaching the entrance was the "Bureau of Paranormal Activities" building, the barbed wire fencing with the emergency lights and the "Press Area." I liked all the nice touches: signs saying "Warning--severe elevation change" and "Vapor lock." The queue seemed to take forever to move a small amount. We eventually made it down into the first holding area, little more than a metal corridor with caution stripes on the walls and emergency lights, which began to flash ominously. Eventually we turned left and entered a huge building that held--a flying saucer. I had heard about this gimmick for years. But the sheer immensity of the prop didn't hit home until then. By golly, it was a real flying saucer, just the way I'd imagined one to be! It had landing gear and flashing lights. The whole scene was beautifully lit from above by dozens of theatrical lights. An eerie glow was coming from a hatch at the front of the saucer, and people were being herded inside. Suddenly it all made sense: an abduction! Now many of you readers are probably thinking, "No, duh, genius!" But I came to appreciate the skillfulness of the visual scenario that was created. We were supposed to be finding out about a saucer landing, but instead were being abducted by the aliens themselves. And all this became obvious without a typical "preshow." There were monitors throughout the queue playing a video that was supposed to give background, but the sound wasn't working. It really wasn't needed. There was all sorts of "scientific" equipment lying around near the craft, working oscilloscopes and computers. Every so often, an unsettling deep subsonic rumbling would fill the room and the lights would dim almost to black. Gradually we made our way inside the flying saucer, which looked just like the inside of a flying saucer down to the subtle green illumination from the gridded ceiling and the arched beams. It was very convincing. The circular queue rail there was another nice touch. Then we turned right into another holding area lit in pink. There we could glimpse the actual loading area. There was a deafing sound coming from the room, like a jet taking off. Then we'd hear people scream, lights would flash and there would be silence. What a setup! We finally arrived at the most detailed and elaborately constructed coaster station I've ever seen. There were indistinct bodies lined up in hazy glass tubes along the far wall. The ride operator was in the center back at a huge semicircular console, looking for all the world like a spaceship control center. A large red glowing ball hung down in the center of the room. Sloping arched beams all around indicated we had come to the edge of the saucer. An empty train quietly rolled in from a small pitch-black tunnel on the left and parked in front of the queue gates. The trains were nicely detailed in silver and lime green. The new restraints were interesting: the individually ratcheting bars had a heavy pad that pressed down on top of your feet while a padded bar with a side seatbelt clip locked in at chest level. The attendants efficiently checked everyone's restraints. They were all wearing earplugs. They stepped back into their gated areas and gave the thumbs up. The jet engine sound reached a deafening level, with deep rumbling. The ride op tersely announced, "All clear." Then whooosh! The guests were sucked into a pitch-black tunnel to the right as strobe lights flashed inside. There was a pause of about a minute, and then the empty train emerged from the darkness on the left. This was the ride that convinced me of the use and importance of theming. I knew it was a two-train operation. There was no way that the ride could cycle that fast. But the whole themed experience built up my tension and anticipation so much that I almost believed I was about to be abducted, and I was certainly nervous about blasting off into the darkness. I didn't know what to expect. This was the most spectacular lead-in to a ride that I'd ever seen. We boarded the train. I was surprised to find the seats and restraints quite comfortable. The attendants stood back and gave the thumbs-up. We were locked in and checked. The ride op said, "All clear." And then he added so quickly it was almost unintelligible, "Keep your head back, sit up straight and enjoy your ride." I exhaled and we were blasted down the tunnel, lights flashing in our eyes. Then the whole world turned upside down. I couldn't see a thing, but I knew there were wicked forces at work on my body. Yet I still felt comfortable and the ride seemed unexpectedly smooth. We darted around left and right, up and down and finally got a breather on a mid-course brake. Then I felt my body start to tilt to the left...more...and more...and more...and I thought, "My god! Is the ride falling over?" Then whooooosh! down we went, flying this way and that until finally there was a glint of light, enough to see a rapidly approaching corkscrew. Before I could react we flew through it and I had a terrific sensation of weightlessness. Then blam! we hit the brakes. I was breathless. I could see how people would come off this ride in great pain if there were over-the-shoulder harnesses. But with lap bars, this ride was a masterpiece of coaster engineering. I know FoF was a bear to get running and created a seemingly endless stream of headaches for the park, but maybe Premier Rides (or Paramount) was on to something. As most of you know (and I keep repeating) I'm not a big steel fan and I don't like inversions. But I rode this coaster more times than any other ride in the park. I never figured out how to "ride it," as I do with most other coasters, looking for a ride's quirks and bad spots and preparing for them. I didn't have to. It was extremely exciting and yet re-rideable, like Volcano. But I found the experience of FoF to be more enjoyable; there was a lot more variety. (By the way, I noticed the park dropped the Outer Limits reference, although some workers still call it that.) And it was certainly the best-themed ride I've ever seen. I guess now I have to get down to a Disney park to see how it's "done right." FoF seemed pretty darn good to me. Mike and I figured, "What the heck--we're here. Let's get Anaconda out of the way." The ride was visually stunning, suspended over the lake. I loved the gimmick of the water shooting up as the train dove into the underwater tunnel. Staring at the twisted trackage, I wondered what nightmare Ron Toomer had before he dreamed it up. There was one sort of half-hearted helix after the mid-course brake that looked kinked and bent, as if it hadn't been properly manufactured and turned out to be more of a box. Couldn't the Arrow engineers draw a simple curve? There was hardly anyone in line for this ride. We climbed into the front seat of the standard 90s-era Arrow rolling stock. The lift hill was deafeningly loud as usual. From off the top of the lift, the ride curved and dropped away to the right, diving into the underwater tunnel. We shot out the other side and rose up into a sort of lop-sided right-hand loop, then twisted through a sort of corkscrew up in the air (I guess that's the "butterfly" element) and then hit the mid-course brakes which brought us to a stop. A small curving left-hand drop followed and then that odd boxy helix. We dropped into another sort of messed up helix that was almost a figure-eight, which deposited us through two of the smoothest Arrow corkscrews I've ever experienced. Then we wandered over to the brake run. I find it so hard to believe that this ride was an innovative, state-of-the-art coaster at one time. It just seems so odd, as if Arrow really didn't know quite what to do with all that steel. PKD is keeping the ride in pretty good shape. There was a little jerkiness, but not nearly as much as I'd come to expect from old Arrow coasters. All of the inversions were relatively smooth. It was a very photogenic coaster. But one ride was enough. Since we were still in the Congo section, we hiked across the way to the only Mack bobsled ride in the U.S., Avalache. It was tucked into a corner on the left side of Volcano. The thing that struck me the most about the ride was how quiet it was. I could barely hear the train rolling through the metal trough. I figured if it were that quiet, it must be smooth. Wrong! I liked the flume-style seating arrangement, and the long train (as opposed to Intamin's single car). Each car was split in half, so my feet were in one part and my seat was in another. The halves could move and flex independently. That was a really weird feeling! My mind kept telling me that something was terribly wrong. The circuit was short and nothing special. Mercifully, there was only one mid-course brake. (Intamin's bobsled at Great Escape has multiple brakes that really kill your momentum.) I thought some of the wheels on my car were partly flat. It was a pretty bumpy ride. Mike said his ride (in the second train) was pretty smooth, though. I liked the observation area in the exit queue, surrounding me with the track. This park, like Busch Gardens, was populated by a multitude of international students. Many of them worked the games and were struggling to call out their pitches in English. One of them had the funny yet almost pathetic banter of, "Please, you come to my game. It only one dollar and not as expensive as other game." As with BG, ordering food was often a challenge. We headed back to the hotel and crashed for the night. The next day Mike and I got up early and headed into the park for opening time so that I could do a lot of videotaping. PKD was offering exclusive ride time on selected coasters to season pass holders. The coaster-du-jour was Ricochet, the new Mack wild mouse which we hadn't yet tried. So we headed in that direction. We had to wait fifteen minutes for security to open up that end of the park. We saw a couple of enthusiasts with Son of Beast shirts. The extolled the wonders of that coaster. The gates were opened and we all headed for the ride. Ricochet was crammed into a tight spot between the Hurler and Rebel Yell stations. It had a slightly different layout from other mice. It featured a deep drop off the lift before hitting the zig-zag portion of the course. There was an interesting swoop-drop and some meandering trackage, then back to the station. Why are so many mice the same yellow color? (No, there's no punch line....) The ride experience was pretty forgettable. The first drop was pretty good, but the rest of the ride was heavily braked. It would make a pleasant junior coaster. Mike and I knew where the real action was--we headed over to FoF. There were very few people in line and we practically walked on. That ride was quite a bit more violent, and I was slighly disheartened. I took more video footage wandering through the park. We went through Kidsville, which was a fun section of the park themed to various Hanna-Barbera characters. For instance, there was a Ranger Smith ride that was a large ranger hat with jeeps on it. It was very well done. There was a topiary featuring various characters. I almost went on Scooby Doo's Ghoster Coaster, but it had a really long line and I wanted to get some more footage. We walked through Treasure Cave, which wasn't quite a fun house. It was like...well...walking through a cave. The lighting was really neat. There was a fun tilty section at the end. We met up with Karen and the girls, who wanted to return to the Paramount Action FX Theater to see the other 3-D movie that hadn't been playing previously: 7th Portal. We waited in the queue watching a video of Stan Lee bragging about how great he is and how his new comic series is the best thing since sliced bread. We entered the theater and sat in our seats and got a headache. The whole thing was a mess, like Meteor Attack but with even less coherence. And the simulator was a lot more violent. Mercifully, it was a short movie. We left the theater, and the exit queue dumped us (as many do at PKD) into an arcade. Then Mike discovered that his wallet was missing. The ride had jarred it loose from his pocket. (Not even the coasters had done that!) So we ran back to the entrance where another showing was in progress. He explained his plight to the attendant who was very helpful. After that movie, they went in and retrieved his wallet. Unfortunately, $194 was missing. But at least all his IDs were intact. We walked toward one ride that was tucked away in the forest and hard to see, White Water Canyon. No one but Karen and I were willing to get soaked, so we went on it by ourselves. The queue was picturesque. The exit lead to a woodsy observation area. This had a peculiar station: multiple small treadmills would pull three rafts at a time into the tiny loading area. Then the three rafts were dispatched together. We got right on the ride and our raft jerked forward with two others and off we went. The entire course was in the forest. It was an idyllic setting, as if we were really on a river. The trough had surprising dips in it, almost like mini waterfalls. All three rafts eventually came to a small holding pond where we bobbed up and down. Each raft was allowed to continue after a timed waiting period. There was one other holding pond along the route. Other than that there was nothing unusual, or even wet. We got off the ride fairly dry. It was a pleasant, peaceful ride, much like the flume. I decided to try Grizzly one more time. The station was practically empty. And the attendants still didn't seem to be paying too much attention to what was going on. I actually got a pretty decent ride though. On the third hill, I thought I was going to fly right out of the train! We wandered around a bit more. We had some pizza at Ledo Pizza, a quaint building with lots of colorful stained glass. The pizza was served in large square pieces and was almost sweet. It also got cold very quickly. We then went toward to the Congo section to ride FoF one more time. That time it was smooth again. So I assume it was the train. We all went on Avalanche. I sat in the same car with Karen and that too was a lot smoother but still nothing to write home about. We walked by Diamond Falls, an old Shoot-the-Chutes ride with odd boats that looked more like 50s Cadillacs and a double-dip drop. The boats made a respectable splash, but since it was misting out we didn't want to get that wet. We stopped to have supper at Bubba Gump's Shrimp Shack. A TV inside was of course playing Forrest Gump. The music in there was so loud it was painful. The outside speakers were actually starting to break up from it. We mentioned this to the bartender there and he looked at us laconically and asked, "What? You think it's loud?" His demeanor indicated that he didn't want to turn it down. The Czech woman who took our order seemed distracted and irritated. After placing our order we stood to the side and waited for it. And waited. And waited. The cook inside didn't seem to be in any hurry. There was another woman who was supposed to hand us our orders. She looked even more irritated. She left and returned a short time later with a tray full of shrimp cocktails in sealed plastic cups. She opened the large refrigerator in front of us and bent down. She tried to slide the tray in but there were other cocktails already in there. She attempted to balance the tray and at the same time pull the cocktails out from the back of the fridge. One of the cocktails tipped over. In a fury, she picked it up and dashed it to the floor, swearing under her breath and sending shrimp cocktail splattering all over. We finally got our food and went outside at a table to eat. The fish sandwich I got was okay, but the atmosphere was pretty lousy. The Dodgem building had a great old sign and a huge arena. The cars were a mix of Duce and Bertazzon. In The Grove we saw a good East African acrobat show, probably the best show in the park. Mike and I went on Volcano one more time. We stocked up on souvenirs, postcards and magnets. One of the gift shops had the strangest item for sale: a "Jesus Action Figure," with a poseable Jesus that had four wheels for feet. We bought some memories, then it was time to leave. I wished PKD followed through more with their theming, like with FoF. I loved all the shade in the Old Virginia section and wished there were more of that. There were occasional touches of good landscaping, but it was uneven. They had two outstanding coasters (Volcano and FoF) and one okay one (Grizzly). The food was okay, but nothing spectacular. And I took points off for not having a cheese-on-a-stick stand. (I was informed that Mr. Cheese-on-a-Stick himself, Marty Moltz, has discovered that there are now only two parks in the country that have that delicacy: Knoebel's and Kennywood. This country is doomed...) Overall, we certainly enjoyed our time at Busch Gardens more. I've realized that when a park has a coherent and well-executed thematic plan, it just makes for a more enjoyable guest experience. I guess a park either has to be a Knoebel's (a good ol' fashioned amusement park with no attempt at theming) or a BG (meticulously themed). Anything in between just seems sloppy. (Six Flags take note: a broken toilet does not a theme make.) I was able to ride fifteen new coasters on this trip. I have a new number one (a tie) and a few new top-fives. And I didn't come home completely exhausted! I think next year we'll have to see what a "real" themer is like. Florida is in our future! Jay From Xcoaster@juno.com Tue Jul 30 10:04:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 17:04:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 24031 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 17:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 17:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 17:03:16 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWqYHgIp50bVKJsx4sr9kKoWMVML3T4YTKA=="> Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8YWLDQV; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:03:05 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:35:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: San Diego County Fair (Typo) Message-ID: <20020730.100007.-1381633.1.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-36,39-41 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 > Anyways, I'm > leaving > tomorrow, probably go to Dorney on Wednesday, Hershey on Thursday, > Kennywood on Friday, Coney Island on Sunday night or Monday, and > possibly > Conneaut Lake on the following Sunday (I remember someone on here > said > they could meet me there too, I still don't know if I could though, > since > we're not sure when we'll get there. Maybe if I have access to a > computer > I'll know more later.). Found out I'll be in Maine the same time as > the > ACE Preservation Conference, but we don't plan on going, maybe at > most, > stopping by Fun Town on one of those days. And I still don't really > have > any set time for Knoebels, hopefully I'll be able to go, but I > probably > will be able to. Any last minute tips will help, especially how long > I > should stay at the parks. I'm thinking all day for Hershey and > Dorney, as > much as possible at Kennywood, but I'll probably be getting there > later, > 2 hours at Coney Island, 3 at Conneaut Lake (a few re-rides on > Boulder > Dash), and I really don't know about Knoebels, as there's a lot I'd > like > to do there, but I'm not sure how much time I'd need. Guess I need > to > start packing. Or maybe I should procrastinate some more. I'll try > to get > some more TR's done when I get back home. This will be like 15 TR's > I > need to do now. Ugh. Opps, for some reason I wrote Conneaut Lake instead of Lake Compounce. I just wanted to clear that up, though it should be obvious, since I mentioned Boulder Dash at least. Ryan S. Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Jul 30 11:42:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 18:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 21505 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 18:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 18:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 18:42:29 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/iNhVHzIFTpxZIwdRVmgnPRp+lMr+F19V"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8Y39MLP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:42:04 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:47:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PKD Message-ID: <20020730.134732.-1889339.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-10 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The food was okay, but nothing spectacular. And I > took points off for not having a cheese-on-a-stick stand. (I > was informed that Mr. Cheese-on-a-Stick himself, Marty Moltz, > has discovered that there are now only two parks in the > country that have that delicacy: Knoebel's and Kennywood. > This country is doomed...) Both Cedar Point and Valleyfair have CHOST stands; I had some this weekend at CP. Any idea where the stand at Kennywood is? -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Jul 30 12:04:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 19:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 55365 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 19:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 19:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ganymede.jtan.com) (207.106.84.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 19:04:08 -0000 Received: from raven (root@thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by ganymede.jtan.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6UJ45212338 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:04:06 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PKD Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020730.134732.-1889339.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> From: "Gregory Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > Both Cedar Point and Valleyfair have CHOST stands; I had some this > weekend at CP. Any idea where the stand at Kennywood is? Heck, I'd like to know this myself. I haven't seen CHOST at Kennywood in years -- if it's back I've missed it. (The CHOST at Cedar Point is quite good, actually.) --Greg From bill@childsfamily.com Tue Jul 30 17:46:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 00:46:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 7747 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 00:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 00:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 00:46:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2002 00:46:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:46:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rumor: an intriguing story involving S&S and wood Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 435 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 138.88.12.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm From Screamscape: S&S News - (7/30/02) Screamscape has recieved a hot rumor tonight that S& S may be about to announce a new wooden coaster division that will be run by Denise Dinn and a few of her key employees from CCI. Add on to this the other rumor from a few weeks ago that S&S may be trying to gobble up Arrow as well and you can clearly see that S&S will soon have a product line to challenge industry giants like Intamin. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 30 18:48:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 01:48:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 74247 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out011.verizon.net) (206.46.170.135) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 01:48:22 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020731014821.NJPZ28478.out011.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:48:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3D4741E5.4000603@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:48:21 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor: an intriguing story involving S&S and wood References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash childs.rm wrote: > >From Screamscape: > > S&S News - (7/30/02) Screamscape has recieved a hot rumor tonight that S& > S may be about to announce a new wooden coaster division that will be run > by Denise Dinn and a few of her key employees from CCI. Add on to this > the > other rumor from a few weeks ago that S&S may be trying to gobble up > Arrow > as well and you can clearly see that S&S will soon have a product line to > challenge industry giants like Intamin That to me sounds like a good deal on all fronts, keeping both companies "alive", along with their ingenuity and product lines. CCI would still be around, if not in name, and we would still get treated to their great coasters. And there would still be hope for the 4d's and other potential new products to get out on the market. Here's hoping that something like this comes to fruition. keep on ridin' George > > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From spartankicker@aol.com Tue Jul 30 18:53:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Spartankicker@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 01:53:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70373 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from Spartankicker@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.a2.29627b26 (4446) for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:52:54 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor: an intriguing story involving S&S and wood To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10572 From: spartankicker@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77211050 X-Yahoo-Profile: bryan_wood15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright! Finally, a launched 4D wooden coaster!!!! :) -Bryan (TR from SFWoA coming tomorrow) Bryan Wood Thrillnetwork.com Senior Editor spartankicker@aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Jul 30 19:03:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 02:03:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 46049 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 02:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 02:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 02:03:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/nALKxedi7B6jblbq2FWfZItO/IyhyxA+"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G8ZVHCL7; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:03:11 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:08:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor: an intriguing story involving S&S and wood Message-ID: <20020730.210827.-1889339.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-17,20-21,24-26 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > S&S News - (7/30/02) Screamscape has recieved a hot rumor tonight > that S& > > S may be about to announce a new wooden coaster division that will > be run > > by Denise Dinn and a few of her key employees from CCI. Add on to > this > > the > > other rumor from a few weeks ago that S&S may be trying to gobble > up > > Arrow > > as well and you can clearly see that S&S will soon have a product > line to > > challenge industry giants like Intamin > That to me sounds like a good deal on all fronts, keeping both > companies > "alive", along with their ingenuity and product lines. Weren't S&S and CCI related before CCI closed under some parent company/alliance? It would make sense that these two companies would merge into one. Both Six Flags and S&S are still fighting over Arrow (no, Six Flags has not snatched up Arrow yet). I couldn't care less if Arrow disappears as long as CCI sticks around. -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 19:42:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 02:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 38818 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 02:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 02:42:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 02:42:46 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 02:42:46 -0000 To: Subject: RE: Rumor: an intriguing story involving S&S and wood Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:39:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020730.210827.-1889339.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy >Weren't S&S and CCI related before CCI closed under some parent >company/alliance? It would make sense that these two companies would >merge into one. They used the services of Ride Entertainment Systems, which ran (to varying degrees) their sales and marketing. Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From coasterclown@hotmail.com Tue Jul 30 20:13:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 03:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 95262 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 03:13:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:13:49 -0700 Received: from 207.68.83.92 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:13:48 GMT To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: 4 Boomerangs in 2 Days.... OUCH Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:13:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 03:13:49.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A166800:01C23840] From: "Coaster Clown" X-Originating-IP: [207.68.83.92] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 This will be a quick and final installment of mine and AFLAC's New England Trip... It's starting to become a TYPICAL thing for my TR's to start 2 weeks after I get back, and end up the last few days shat out onto one looong TR... so i'll TRY to keep it short. As the title says, OUCH.... 4 boomer's in 2 days.... Saturday morning we grabbed my credits on all of SFNE's "other" coasters including a VEKOMA boomerang We then made our way to Lake COmpounce which had a B(z)OOMERANG.... and then the next day both THE GREAT ESCAPE (hi to Chris K.) and SFDarien Lake had Booomerangs... .(not to mention both SFDL and SFNE had freakin SLC's.... grrr i hate being a credit whore sometimes....) anyways I'll go onto to discussing some of the GOOD aspects of the trip. WILDCAT (1927 Schmeck) +3 This only gets 3 out of 10 points (a la George) because it gave me a credit. I was kinda lookin forward to riding a Schmeck in the Schmeck seat, but after our ride... on a Schmeck in THE Schmeck seat, i was disapointed, it was a little painful and the anticipation of what was lurking in the woods might have had somethign to do with it. Boulder Dash (2000 CCI) +10 PURE perfection, not a thing I would change about this ride, except maybe move it to West Virginina, i'm sure there MIGHT be some wooded area that it would fit in.. hehe mabye the whole state! ;) I loved every moment of this coaster, this along with Legend, was one of the coasters that i've drooled over ever since I heard about it and saw it on the internet/videos.. i loved this thing, and it didn't let me down. The determing factor that makes this NOW my number 1 wooden coaster (over Legend at 2 and Raven at 3) would have to be that this was ridden on a NON-event day, compared to my SRM trip (soon to go back to experience the USUAL Raven/Legend)... so getting that many GREAT rides only means that it's ALWAYS a great coaster and NOT just for a special event. The crew was excellent as well, gotta get to writing the letter to Guest Relations huh Brian? THE GREAT ESCAPE (almost Six Flags park) +7 This park, being rather small, still has a nice appeal to it. I dont know what it is about the place, but little things like the storyland area (correct me Chris) and the tunnel to Ghost Town (right?) was just great and im sure the kids LOVE IT (even yours george!) The coasters were alright, the Alpine Bobsled has a GREAT sign above the entrance to the que (as those of you at the Kennywood Event saw pics of). The boomerange was smooth, for some reason i actually somewhat possibly might have is it true... enjoyed a ride on a boomerange that was inverted with facing cars or having a 200 foot tower?.... anyways........ it was fun and has a nice view of the road (where from the road the park looks nice and clean and very well landscaped) The Comet (Rated Number 1 coaster)<--- which was a theme on this trip, S:ROS claimed it, Boulder Dash claimed it... hell even Steamin Demon claimed it.. jk I'll give it a +7.5 because it was an enjoyable front seat coaster with good PoPs of air.. if a coaster can make me go POP outta my seat, then it's good with me! Front seat rides are another theme of this trip... (S:ROS,BD,Comet,B:DK) Six Flags Darien Lake +5 Has potential, S:ROS was closed that day... ARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHH!!!!! It's a good thing this park was on our way home, or else it would have been a waisted triP! it looks prettier then SFA's but I'm sure it's still not as great as SFNE's, in fact I know it's not! lol The SLC/Boomerang sucked as usual, the VIPER arrow coaster made for a great pic (see Kennywood Parking Lot). i love coasters with Batwing elements, but this one had a horrible transition before it so it sucked, typical arrow.... Predator (1990 Dinn and Summers shat-sterpiece) Got two rides, one in the front, one in the back... this was the only coaster at the park we rode more then once for the credit. while it wasn't crappy, it wasn't fun either! The annoying kid in line was funny, and i got some on-ride pics, actually i was on the ride and took pics of Christopher Reeves in the distance. (sorry) We left and were on our way home. I couldn't resist staying up in Cleveland area (no wadsworth is NOT in cleveland nor close enough to consider it)without going to Cedar Point. So the next morning, I woke up left Brians and went to the Point, where it was rather crowded. Got one front seat ride on the Force (Still my #1) and rode some smaller things and made my way to Wicked Twister were I got 2 rides in and made my way home.... this was a great trip where i got to go to 2 of my favorite parks.....(CP and SFGADv) rode some of my already top 10 coasters....(Nitro,Batman:chiller,B:TR,Millennium Force) rode some new top 10 rides..... (Boulder Dash, S:ROS) and rode some coaster i've been obsessing over.... (Boulder Dash, S:ROS, Batman:Dark Knight, Comet, Cyclone at Astroland) This ends my NEW ENGLAND trip reprots, hope you enjoyed... thanks to Brian as always and Mike Cowan for showing us a good time and a free evening of parking... be on the lookout for the KENNYWOOD EVENT 2002! TR! and a trip to Carowinds yesterday (7/29) Im going to go enjoy my 22nd B-day on thursday by NOT going to a park, can u believe it? jeRemy D. -who knows he's been a lucky person this year and has visited a park over 30 some times and feels greedy at times... but enjoys it as well- _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 20:32:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 03:32:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20056 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 03:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 03:32:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 03:32:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.136] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2002 03:31:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:31:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: SFNE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 942 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "tommytheduck" X-Originating-IP: 68.71.110.40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "kristyjsm" wrote: > Here's for the shortest tip report ever (maybe?) > > Me and the family went to SFNE on Saturday- tickets via work. Rides I went on =1. When one is deprived by not being able to get on anything else > just shows you'll just about do anything. > > Okay that's about it! That's okay kristy... Saturday at the RCT event at Kennywood my girlfriend Janice only went on one ride too, the old mill. She's not a huge coaster person (the T-Bolt is her favorite coaster, but the phantom is her least fav!) and just didn't feel up to a day of riding. But we were able to sneak her on the old mill for free (our last ride of the night and the last boat of the ride) Also would like to take this opportunity to thank those who showed up for a great time! I might post a TR in the near future, but for now, I have to get to bed. AF(yawn)LAC! -Brian F. From gburnash@bigfoot.com Tue Jul 30 22:59:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 05:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 59518 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 05:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 05:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 05:59:47 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020731055947.TTV10030.out004.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:59:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3D477CD2.80701@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:59:46 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PKD References: <20020730064221.18427.h022.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash Reply-To: gburnash@bigfoot.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=4512748 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Great TR Jay, and wonderful to read about a park that I haven't been to. Just a few comments: jay@karenandjay.com wrote: > We took a break and headed back to the hotel to unpack. We > ran into Paul Greenwald on the way, one of the founding > members of ACE and WNYCC. We chatted for a while. He > mentioned something that was news to me: Six Flags bought > Arrow, just to get the plans for X so they could fix it. To bad he was wrong. Six Flags made a bid in an attempt to get the rights to the 4d concept, but Arrow said no. No deal, no dice. So basically it never got past the offer/ rumor stage. And SF tried to fix X anyways without some of those plans and ended up making a bigger mess of things- leading up to the extended downtime that it's had recently. > > Flight of Fear (snip, snip) > This was the ride that convinced me of the use and importance > of theming. I knew it was a two-train operation. There was > no way that the ride could cycle that fast. But the whole > themed experience built up my tension and anticipation so much > that I almost believed I was about to be abducted, and I was > certainly nervous about blasting off into the darkness. I > didn't know what to expect. This was the most spectacular > lead-in to a ride that I'd ever seen. > > (snip again). But I found the experience of FoF > to be more enjoyable; there was a lot more variety. (By the > way, I noticed the park dropped the Outer Limits reference, > although some workers still call it that.) And it was > certainly the best-themed ride I've ever seen. I guess now I > have to get down to a Disney park to see how it's "done > right." FoF seemed pretty darn good to me. FOF was easily one of my favorites at PKI on my recent visit, and it sounds like the two are twins down to the theming and everything. A fantastic coaster all the way around in my book. And it's theming comes right up to the Disney standard throughout the ride. The main difference is in how well it fits into the area surrounding the ride. If it was Disney, it would have been in their Tomorrowland section of the park, or maybe MGM studios (to fit the movie tie in)- in other words some place in the park where the rides theming would have fit in well with the park areas overall theming, as opposed to just being plunked down in the park. > > One of the > gift shops had the strangest item for sale: a "Jesus Action > Figure," with a poseable Jesus that had four wheels for feet. > We bought some memories, then it was time to leave. If you didn't know, I work part time at a Christian bookstore just for some fun away from watching the kids every day. I had someone come in the store the other day asking about one of these, and I have never heard of them or even had a clue what they were. I'm sure that I looked pretty dumbfounded when he was asking. So thanks for filling me in a bit on what it is. Sure sounds strange to me! keep on ridin' George > -- ______________________________________ Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on. Be sure to visit our family's webpage at www.geocities.com/gburnash From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Jul 31 05:39:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 12:39:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 61254 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 12:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 12:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.119) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 12:39:02 -0000 Received: (cpmta 11703 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 05:39:01 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.132 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.119) with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 05:39:01 -0700 X-Sent: 31 Jul 2002 12:39:01 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.15] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: CHOST (was TR: PKD) X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020731053901.27816.h018.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Both Cedar Point and Valleyfair have CHOST stands; I had some this weekend at CP.< Wow! I used to love the stand at CP, which was located next to the Observation Tower. But the park took the stand out a few years ago. Where is it located now? >Any idea where the stand at Kennywood is?< No. In fact, Marty's report is the first I've heard of a CHOST stand at Kennywood. When I lived down south, there was a fast food chain called Corn Dog 7 and they served really good CHOST (and it was really cheap, too!). Anyone know if they're still around? I wish they'd move up north and make this hungry Yankee happy. Jay From bill@childsfamily.com Wed Jul 31 05:47:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 12:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 79712 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 12:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 12:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 12:47:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2002 12:47:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:47:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: PKD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D477CD2.80701@verizon.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 851 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 66.95.69.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., George Burnash wrote: << Six Flags made a bid in an attempt to get the rights to the 4d concept, but Arrow said no. No deal, no dice. So basically it never got past the offer/ rumor stage. And SF tried to fix X anyways without some of those plans and ended up making a bigger mess of things- leading up to the extended downtime that it's had recently. >> With Arrow being in bankruptcy, it's not necessarily up to it who gets assets. I have no idea what stage it's in (and I only do a small amount of not-very-relevant bankruptcy work in my practice), but the decision may well be made by a judge with the interest of the _creditors_ (those to whom Arrow owes money) paramount, not those of the _debtor_ (Arrow). Short version: Arrow saying "no" does not necessarily end the matter. -B From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Jul 31 06:41:06 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 13:40:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 62369 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 13:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 13:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 13:40:54 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.4f.2130d93d (4230) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f.2130d93d.2a7942e1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:40:49 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CHOST (was TR: PKD) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/2002 8:40:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jay@karenandjay.com writes: > Wow! I used to love the stand at CP, which was located next > to the Observation Tower. But the park took the stand out a > few years ago. Where is it located now? > > Next to the observation tower :) It's the "disaster transport" food stand now. --Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Jul 31 13:22:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 31 Jul 2002 20:22:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 1524 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 20:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2002 20:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 20:22:15 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/jEk84gutpBYJKg465cmhFGTnbixtvwIj"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G83UC535; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:21:54 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:26:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CHOST (was TR: PKD) Message-ID: <20020731.152646.-1973435.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Wow! I used to love the stand at CP, which was located next > > to the Observation Tower. But the park took the stand out a > > few years ago. Where is it located now? > Next to the observation tower :) There's also one back by Mean Streak. -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Jul 31 18:22:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 01:22:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 91629 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 01:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 01:22:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 01:22:05 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by emerald.jvlnet.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) id UAA05659; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:22:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:22:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200208010122.UAA05659@emerald.jvlnet.com> To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CHOST (was TR: PKD) X-Mailer: JVLNET webmail 1.02 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 From someone who should know but doesn't, what is CHOST? I have seen several discussion threads on it here on RCT but never a description (or more a more proper name if that is not its real name). And please forgive me if I missed any other messages that described it. Dave Rounds From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Jul 31 19:05:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 02:05:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15923 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 02:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 02:05:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 02:05:13 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.a1.2b25fcd9 (25711) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:05:06 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CHOST (was TR: PKD) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP US sub 50 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/31/2002 9:24:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, drounds@jvlnet.com writes: > From someone who should know but doesn't, what is CHOST? > I have seen several discussion threads on it here on RCT but never a > description (or more a more proper name if that is not its real name). > And please forgive me if I missed any other messages that described it. > Dave Rounds > Not a Problem. It's Cheese On A Stick. I LOVE the Stuff. --Josh (Who rode the world's first CCI for FREE tonight...TR later) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From greding@joplin.com Wed Jul 31 20:08:16 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: greding@joplin.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 03:08:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 88560 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 03:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 03:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 03:08:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2002 03:08:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:08:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: PKD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1328 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "stombo2" X-Originating-IP: 64.200.53.246 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=88356047 X-Yahoo-Profile: stombo2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "childs.rm" wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., George Burnash wrote: > > << Six Flags made a bid in an attempt to get the > rights to the 4d concept, but Arrow said no. No deal, no dice. So > basically it never got past the offer/ rumor stage. And SF tried to > fix > X anyways without some of those plans and ended up making a bigger > mess > of things- leading up to the extended downtime that it's had > recently. >> > > With Arrow being in bankruptcy, it's not necessarily up to it who > gets assets. I have no idea what stage it's in (and I only do a > small amount of not-very-relevant bankruptcy work in my practice), > but the decision may well be made by a judge with the interest of the > _creditors_ (those to whom Arrow owes money) paramount, not those of > the _debtor_ (Arrow). Short version: Arrow saying "no" does not > necessarily end the matter. > > -B Yes, but why would Arrow owe Six Flags money? You would think that if anything, it would be the other way around. If Arrow is in a liquidation-type bankruptcy (as opposed to a restructuring-type), their suppliers would be the ones who might get the assets, not their customers. But I suppose that whoever receives the assets is always free to sell them.... -tom. From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Jul 31 22:10:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 05:10:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 93300 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 05:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 05:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.31.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 05:10:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:10:34 -0700 Received: from 24.49.140.239 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 05:10:33 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Thoughts on Wicked Twister, Phantom's Revenge, and much more Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:10:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 05:10:34.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3CFB410:01C23919] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.140.239] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: supermanros First off, let me say that I had a great time at the RCT event! Thanks to everyone for planning and attending the event. Nate and I went to Cedar Point on Friday, and we didn't end up getting to Conneaut before closing. I wasn't disappointed because I don't really like wooden coasters and I love Cedar Point. :-) ANYWAY, Wicked Twister was the only new coaster at CP for me. I'm not a HUGE fan of Impulse Coasters, so I wasn't expecting much from Wicked Twister. It did look fun from the midway though, so I was excited to ride. I thought the launch was nicer than SUE's launch (the only other impulse coaster I've been on), but I think SUE is a better ride overall. The straight-spike on SUE is the best feature, and Wicked Twister lacks that. I did enjoy being sucked up the ass of Wicked Twister, but I prefer the straight-spike as opposed to the twisty one. The best part was when I accidentally dropped my gum off the back spike and we twisted away from it. Nice ride, but once was enough and it won't be popping up on my top-10 list. I don't think Wicked Twister fits in at CP at all. We rode first thing in the morning, so I'm not sure how long the line was during the day. They were very quick in the morning though, and with the short ride duration, I imagined that the line moved fairly quickly. Still, the ride just doesn't fit in at CP because it's short and it runs one train. Cedar Point is still awesome. I'm always amazed at the size and quality of their operation. They definitely know what they're doing in regards to operations and capacity. I'd love to work for them some day. I finally rode Millennium Force in the back seat, and I LOVED it. It's still my #2 coaster, right behind Superman at SFNE. Raptor is still really awesome, and Mantis is fun in the back seat. Other than that, the other coasters we rode were the same as they've always been. Magnum is still terrible, Gemini is still fun, Corkscrew still has that fun camelback, Woodstock is still cute, Disaster Transport has a new queue line that glows in the dark, and Mine Ride is still Arrow. We went to Kennywood on Saturday. Kennywood is awesome- it's reasonably priced, the rides are fun, and the food is good. Their operations are very good as well- the lines move very quickly and their coaster crews are impressive... especially on Phantom's Revenge. Phantom's Revenge is AWESOME! GOD I LOVE THAT RIDE. I was always a huge fan of the original Steel Phantom, and I was very skeptical about the changes they were making. It didn't look like much on paper, and I probably bashed the idea when it was first announced. If so, I'll gladly eat my words. I think that I like the Phantom partly because of its intriguing location. I like how the train disappears into the ravine when you're watching from the station. It's a cool visual effect that adds to the mystery and suspense of the ride. The location is cool, but the ride just simply kicks ass. It's a very unique ride, and the quality and violence of the airtime is close to being as good as Intamin air. The first drop is great in the new trains, the second ramp seemed like more fun, and the rapid-fire airtime rampage back to the station is AMAZING. I wasn't expecting the return-run to be so extreme. The awesome location, fun drops, smooth turns, and crazy airtime helped the Phantom take the #7 spot on my top-10 list. Exterminator is the other coaster at Kennywood that I really love. I love indoor coasters, and Exterminator is just crazy. It's definitely not the same as the standard spinning mouse I rode in Myrtle Beach back in March. When I rode that mouse, I thought that it was shorter than Exterminator. Re-riding Exterminator confirmed that Exterminator is definitely not a standard model. ANYWAY, I love how crazy it gets when it starts spinning. Definitely one of my favorite indoor coasters. When it e-stops, it stops really hard, though. I wasn't such a big fan of that. Racer and Jack Rabbit were just as I remembered. Thunderbolt was more fun this time around, but nothing that I feel the need to ride more than once. Kennywood is known for it's wooden coasters, but it's not the wooden coasters that I like. I really love their steel coasters, but I don't think their wooden coasters are anything special. I think their *POP* admission plan is really reasonable, too. Pitfall is a great ride as well. The next day brought us to Six Flags World of Adventure. Wow, this park is huge now. That's probably because last time I was there, it was only one park and now it's two parks in one. I liked the park better this time because the "Wild Life" side was nice. :-) The "Wild Ride" side was still too crowded. It didn't smell this time, though. Villain is still terrible, SUE is still fun, and Batman is still awesome. Big Dipper was new to me this time, but it didn't impress me that much. There aren't enough quality pops of airtime. We were considering going out to the car to get some pop, but then I realized that all we had in the trunk was beer. Anyway, we didn't spend much time at WoA, but it was time well-spent. I would like to eventually spend more time on the "Wild Life" side, especially if they have sharks. All in all, the trip was awesome and I came back with a lot of new affection. Everyone I met was awesome and I had a great time hanging out with you guys. In short, MoFo is still awesome, CP is still awesome, Wicked Twister isn't so wicked, Phantom is AMAZING, Kennywood is sweet, Exterminator is fun as hell, and the RCT gang members are a lot of fun. Until next time! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bill@childsfamily.com Thu Aug 01 04:08:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill@childsfamily.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 11:08:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 53063 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 11:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 11:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.69) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 11:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2002 11:08:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:08:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TR: PKD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1622 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "childs.rm" X-Originating-IP: 65.128.47.18 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=36978171 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm --- In RollerCoasterTalk@y..., "stombo2" wrote: > > With Arrow being in bankruptcy, it's not necessarily up to it who > > gets assets. I have no idea what stage it's in (and I only do a > > small amount of not-very-relevant bankruptcy work in my practice), > > but the decision may well be made by a judge with the interest of > the > > _creditors_ (those to whom Arrow owes money) paramount, not those > of > > the _debtor_ (Arrow). Short version: Arrow saying "no" does not > > necessarily end the matter. > > > > -B > > Yes, but why would Arrow owe Six Flags money? You would think that > if anything, it would be the other way around. If Arrow is in a > liquidation-type bankruptcy (as opposed to a restructuring-type), > their suppliers would be the ones who might get the assets, not their > customers. But I suppose that whoever receives the assets is always > free to sell them.... I was unclear. The status of Arrow and Six Flags as to debt is (mostly) irrelevant (though, given X, I wouldn't be surprised if Arrow does owe SF money). But if Six Flags makes a proposal for getting Arrow out of bankruptcy that involves SF essentially buying the entire company, Arrow is not necessarily the decisionmaker. The court makes the decision, with the goal of maximizing the recovery of Arrow's creditors. So if the judge thinks that those who are owed money will get the most money by SF buying Arrow, that's what the judge will do, whether or not Arrow thinks it's a great idea. In any kind of bankruptcy, the bankrupt loses a lot of control over its future. -B From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Aug 01 15:40:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 1 Aug 2002 22:40:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 86951 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2002 22:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2002 22:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 22:40:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20020801224024.35746.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:40:24 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: Some new Intamin rides To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Sorry to disturb the silence on the list today :). If you are bored check out the Intamin flat rides page at: http://www.intaminworldwide.com/i_products_roundrides.htm At the top are two rides that I believe are new to Intamin. The one on the left looks like a condor-type ride except that the seats face out and look to be something from thier Gyro Swings or Freefall rides instead of cars. On the right is their Suspended Twin Hammer. Intamin is selling the ride now...which means we will probably see one in a park in 2003 or 2004. It is interesting that they are debuting this ride now, because I first saw the concept art for Vekoma's Air Jumper ten years ago in the November, 1992 Inside Track. I guess Intmain figures that Zamperla's Hawk has sold decently it is time to offer thier version. I just someone besides A.R.M. would sell a floorless version that was trailer-mounted. I really think carnivals, especially big ones with aging Kamikazes, would go for them. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com SM-NL "I like being a pessimist, it helps me deal with my inevitable failure." -The Brothers McMullan *************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Aug 01 17:25:49 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 00:25:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 70685 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 00:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 00:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.jersey.juno.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 00:25:48 -0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/1TOAbshyTL029QjgGT6s2GHfx7Y8wevM"> Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G86UNXLB; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 20:24:58 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:30:01 -0500 Subject: (more) NEWS: CCI not dead? Message-ID: <20020801.193001.-1975001.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-6 From: "Nate K." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Though I can't find it on the Erie Times site, somebody posted the article to R.R-C. Take a look: http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.roller-c oaster&selm=72iiku03mhjpdo928ttgsfb169r248kfqm%404ax.com -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Aug 01 17:49:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 00:49:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 14057 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 00:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 00:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp014.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 00:49:20 -0000 Received: from pcp01724267pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net (HELO pavilion) (afrsandy@68.52.224.60 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 00:49:19 -0000 To: "RCT" Subject: MISC: More on double wheels Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:46:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Adam Sandy" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Chris Hurley (the guy who hosts the pictures of the sky wheels [double wheels] I linked to a few weeks ago) put up the following list on a carnival site of running sky wheels and I thought people might like to know. According to him, the following shows have double wheels on the road: Merriam's Midway Shows Benner's Amusements of Pennsylvania Mighty Blue Grass Shows (one, with one in WQ) Poor Jack Amusements (two, one on the road) Power's Great American Midways Amusements of America Midway of Fun (California) Evan's United Shows Belle City Amusements Midwest Midways Wade Shows (at selected big dates) Funtastic Midways Cumberland Valley Shows (Space Wheels in rehab) I can't wait to get on my first one in a month! Adam *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com Mail a Whale: Support Whalom Park through http://www.savewhalompark.com "Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?" The Simpsons *************** From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Aug 01 19:39:59 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 02:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 45548 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 02:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 02:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 02:39:58 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.6c.20170f9f (16109) for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.129]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-0801223954; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:39:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:39:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: More on double wheels Message-ID: <5297CCA7.763B9705.0000F0AF@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Speaking of weird ferris wheels, I rode that one at hershey with the 2 wheels on the end of a giant teeter-totter. one end is up in the air while the other one loads. when I was on it, we had a slow loading crowd down at the bottom and the cycle went on for about 6 minutes. Is this what the wheel at SFGrAm used to be? --Josh From gburnash@bigfoot.com Thu Aug 01 19:47:14 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 2 Aug 2002 02:47:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 99134 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out011.verizon.net) (206.46.170.135) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 02:47:13 -0000 Received: from verizon.net ([4.62.156.55]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020802024712.MMME28478.out011.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3D49F2B1.7050707@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:47:13 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: More on double wheels References: <5297CCA7.763B9705.0000F0AF@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: George Burnash From: George Burnash