From burn.doug@verizon.net Wed Aug 06 09:14:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84462 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 16:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 16:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop015.verizon.net) (206.46.170.172) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 16:14:24 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030806161423.BXFX20810.pop015.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:14:23 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? References: <20030806132828.52997.qmail@web40009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:14:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030806132828.52997.qmail@web40009.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:14:22 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Adam Sandy wrote: > Recently at PCW I realized something while getting > tossed into the fiberglass sides of Dragon Fire and > crying in pain-over the past year I have become more > fond of Arrow coasters. Ahh, another convert coming over to our cause. :) > Perhaps it is because I am becoming a bit > jaded with having ridden so many coasters, but there > are some Arrow loopers that have stood out to me. Not > because I thought they gave a good ride, but because > they had some kick to them due to Ron using his > loop-on-stilts building method. I like the kick and the fact that you can feel them, as you mention. The forces are there, and most of them I've found to be a lot of fun. There just seem to be some that for whatever reason can't handle the jostling. It's interesting that it seems most of those don't like coasters with lots of lats to, but that's certainly not always the case. > Lately I have been > wondering what I would have thought of Steel Phantom > and Shockwave (and yes, Nate, I know what you think :) > because they might have been my cup of tea. Heh, I think everyone knows what Nate thinks. :) But I enjoyed Shockwave- both rounds. I'm still really wishing I'd spent the money on the on ride photo that day-was quite humorous. And I wish I'd had the chance to ride Phantom. But I've been on far more Arrows that I liked, many a lot, than I've been on that I didn't. > Does this > mean I put Arrows up top in terms of coaster quality? No, if I had owned > a park 20 years ago there would > have been a Schwarzkopf in it and today it would house > a B&M. Reliability and rider comfort are things I > consider paramount when putting a wide range of people > on a coaster. Actually Adam, I think that if you had owned a park 20 years ago you probably would have had both an Arrow and a Schwarzkopf-especially since they were really the only companies building major coasters at the time.And there's a good many parks that have both in them-SFMM, SFoT, and the Great America's all come to mind right away. So no crime in having both, and truthfully there probably would have been a lot of benefits. :) But I've been an Arrow fan since long before I had a clue what coaster enthusiasts were or even what Arrow really was, and I remain one. Sure, some of their coasters have problems, but then that's true of every manufacturer out there, and I'm still in awe and impressed with what they did without the help of computers or any of the tech that we take for granted. but then y'all knew that already. :) keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Wed Aug 06 09:49:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35638 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 16:49:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2003 16:49:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:49:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030806141938.18913.qmail@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, cameron@b... wrote: > > > > Essentially, I like them because of (what I see as) > > design flaws. > > Heh .. careful saying something like that on this list .. I still > get hassled for liking Magnum! (For the same reasons as you, btw..) > > > Lately I have been wondering what I would have thought of > > Steel Phantom and Shockwave (and yes, Nate, I know what > > you think :) > > I never rode Steel Phantom, but I did really enjoy Shockwave. While > it certainly wasn't something one could marathon on, it was great > for a heavy dose of high intensity. Shockwave had no brake after > the first loop, so all three loops provided eye-ball popping Gs! i think i could marathon on something like Tennessee Tornado. its actually pretty smooth, and seems to have just enough force. even the Carolina Cyclone isnt a bad ride. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 10:04:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74357 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40004.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 17:04:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20030806170406.14629.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:04:06 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Street fight at 'Sesame' theme park To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy This story made me think that they should have a new show where Oscar and one or two enjoyable Seasame Street characters have a wrestling match and beat up the characters that suck (Elmo, Big Bird, etc.). "Two, two tire irons to the face, ah ah ah, and one, one barbed-wire fence to the face, ah ah ah" says the Counting Count. Anyway, I am getting off course here. Below is an interesting story (at least I think so) from the Daily News. Adam http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/106859p-96610c.html Street fight at 'Sesame' theme park By OWEN MORITZ DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Last month, it was a Milwaukee Italian Sausage. Now, it's Telly Monster of "Sesame Street." Telly can get a bit annoying sometimes - he's the show's resident worrywart who always asks, "Are you sure it's going to be all right?" That's something 36-year-old Hiram Cruz of the Bronx may be wondering. He found a 17-year-old dressed up as Telly at the Sesame Place theme park a little too annoying and shoved an umbrella into his stomach Friday, cops said. Now he's hoping to sweep the clouds away: Authorities slapped Cruz with disorderly conduct charges after the teen in the outfit was hospitalized. A man who identified himself as Cruz denied in a phone interview yesterday that he was even at the Langhorne, Pa., theme park last week, but cops insisted he was there with his ex-wife and son. They even suggested an alibi. "I don't think he was trying to hurt the kid," Middletown Township Sgt. Ken Mellus said yesterday. "He thought the costume had padding." That's the same defense Pittsburgh Pirates first baseman Randall Simon gave after he paid a $432 fine last month for bopping an 18-year-old woman dressed as a giant sausage with his bat at a Milwaukee Brewers games. Telly and the Sausage are not the only ones with a beef, by the way: Two years ago, a Maryland man was sentenced to a year's probation for beating up Sesame Place's Cookie Monster. With Jordan Carleo-Evangelist Originally published on August 6, 2003 ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Xcoaster@juno.com Wed Aug 06 11:22:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44459 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 18:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 18:22:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 18:22:35 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWtQElEopGxGgvscrdYW2xhS8a4+a4usIcA==">; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:21:49 EDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6WWXWWB; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:21:49 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:08:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hersheypark Adding 10th Coaster Message-ID: <20030806.110840.-1478385.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11,18-20 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:52:46 EDT MxPx2@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/5/2003 3:01:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Xcoaster@juno.com writes: > > > your site's already getting > > flak. :-( Not fun being the messenger. > > > > Who's site? what? > Sorry about that. I meant Lance's Screamscape. It seems lots of people love to jump all over his site whenever he has some incorrect piece of information, such as this time when he made the easily forgivable mistake of saying that Hershey's new coaster will have a Cobra Roll rather than a Cobra Loop before it was even known what a Cobra Loop was. I happen to think Screamscape has fairly good reliability, but you have to take every rumor with a grain of salt. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 06 11:33:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95465 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 18:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 18:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 18:33:00 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/RkugIzX1UupmPEvJC8Ci/mkArvCkEfj9">; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:31:59 EDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6WXJJVR; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:31:59 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:31:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Where you headin' this fall? Message-ID: <20030806.133131.696.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-19,23-25 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Have fun. I heard the Top Scan needs some paint, but it still is > the best thing on the U.S. roads. More than needing new paint, it needs new seats (ie the padding on them needs to be replaced). Much of the yellow seats are now black; it's quite disgusting. > There will probably not be too > much else unique there Too bad you missed it this year, Adam - the Shake is there. :-) > but the Fabbri Mega Drop is good The biggest disappointment of the fair - it's not there this year. :-( > while most of Murphy's equipment is garbage he does travel with > an Enterprise (an American carnival rareity) and a Moser Star > Force, the only one in the country (with metal restraints...fun!). Ugh, the restraints made this ride awful. Maybe it's because I'm tall, but they cut into my shoulders so badly that both arms went completely numb and I felt like I was having a stroke throughout the entire ride. Never again. -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From Xcoaster@juno.com Wed Aug 06 11:35:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5060 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 18:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 18:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 18:35:02 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWtQElEopGxGgkoVeSCnIfyj0a/lOG9K5TQ==">; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:34:03 EDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6WXNB7S; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:34:03 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:21:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? Message-ID: <20030806.112148.-1478385.1.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15,29-31 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Adam Sandy writes: > Recently at PCW I realized something while getting > tossed into the fiberglass sides of Dragon Fire and > crying in pain- over the past year I have become more > fond of Arrow coasters. *SNIP* >But, in putting off working this > morning I wanted to toss this out there. Hopefully > things won't get too bloody. > > Adam Well, I know I happen to like Arrows. They aren't the best and I'd typically look forward more to almost any other company, but I've rarely had any bad rides on them. The corkscrews are about the only ones I might pass up if the park has some better steel, but besides those I've liked the one suspended I've been on (Ninja), enjoyed the several multiloopers (Viper@SFMM, Canyon Blaster@Adv Dome, Demon, etc.), loved X, and I suppose I've somewhat enjoyed the mine trains and corkscrews, though I typically only ride them once in a while. And I agree that their cookie cutter loops often pull far more G's than most B&M's, and I think I'd rather have the tiny loop way up there on Viper over one giant elongated loop, as it gives a much different experience, has more of a whip effect, and isn't nearly as gradual. Granted most of the time I prefer B&M for their curves and gracefulness, but each style has their own good points and bad points. Ryan Snooks who still sees no flame throwers... Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 06 11:39:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50221 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 18:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 18:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 18:39:23 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/CRa0pX/ZF8W9AEYYsoG/3+Zg6Yu/z01t">; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:38:51 EDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6WXW42Q; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:38:51 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:37:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? Message-ID: <20030806.133720.696.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16,22-24 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Essentially, I like them because of (what I see as) > > design flaws. > > Heh .. careful saying something like that on this list .. I still > get hassled for liking Magnum! (For the same reasons as you, btw..) But where is the intensity on Magnum? > > Lately I have been wondering what I would have thought of > > Steel Phantom and Shockwave (and yes, Nate, I know what > > you think :) > > I never rode Steel Phantom, but I did really enjoy Shockwave. While > it certainly wasn't something one could marathon on, it was great > for a heavy dose of high intensity. Shockwave had no brake after > the first loop, so all three loops provided eye-ball popping Gs! My problems with Shockwave were never with the first three inversions (at least not in later years). The last couple of times I rode it, Shockwave was surprisingly smooth until the awful transition into the midcourse. Though I think those first three inversions were a *bit* much, I secretly enjoyed them (shhh!). It was the entire rest of the ride that was so unbelievably awful. -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 12:23:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32065 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 19:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 19:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40005.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.23) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 19:23:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20030806192301.18942.qmail@web40005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 12:23:01 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MISC: Where you headin' this fall? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030806.133131.696.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > The biggest disappointment of the fair - it's not > there this year. :-( That sucks. I am curious where Talley was booked in. As for the Shake, I am not sad I missed JUST that as I will be riding it three weeks from this weekend at the Minnesota State Fair. > and a > Moser Star > > Force, the only one in the country (with metal > restraints...fun!). > Ugh, the restraints made this ride awful. > Maybe > it's because I'm tall, > but they cut into my shoulders so badly that both > arms went completely > numb and I felt like I was having a stroke > throughout the entire ride. > Never again. Your experience was worse than mine, but mine was not pleasant by any means. You should NEVER use unpadded metal as restraints. Moser seems to be the worst, but his former partners, Soriani, weren't much better with the restraints on rides like the Zamperla Z-Force and Turbo Force. Of course, Zamperla's newer Soriani rides like the Nitro & Discovery have the micro-switch restraints that debuted on the Discovery and I am quite fond of (although I know others aren't). Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Aug 06 14:47:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3801 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 21:47:48 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.19c.1877089f (4238) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19c.1877089f.2c62d17b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:47:39 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Where you headin' this fall? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2003 3:24:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, afrsandy@yahoo.com writes: > That sucks. I am curious where Talley was booked in. > As for the Shake, I am not sad I missed JUST that as > I will be riding it three weeks from this weekend at > the Minnesota State Fair. There is going to be a shake there? hmmm...I'm thinking Road Trip. I REALLY want to get on one of these. I really wish I had a breakdance closer to me, too. Actually, there's a LOT of flat rides that I wish I had near me. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 15:16:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83533 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 22:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 22:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 22:16:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030806221641.45086.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:16:41 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MISC: Where you headin' this fall? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <19c.1877089f.2c62d17b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > There is going to be a shake there? hmmm...I'm > thinking Road Trip. > I REALLY want to get on one of these. > I really wish I had a breakdance closer to me, too. > Actually, there's a LOT > of flat rides that I wish I had near me. Yup, Shake, Top Scan, Mega Drop, Sky Wheel, ReMix, Techno Jump and a brand new flat ride to the U.S. market that I can't announce until this Friday. The line-up is not quite as good as last year's, but still better than most fairs (and parks) in the US. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From lance@screamscape.com Wed Aug 06 16:58:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33235 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 23:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2003 23:58:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 23:58:52 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h76Nwoln071516 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 50653 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 23:58:51 -0000 Received: from 118.103.26.24.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (24.26.103.118) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 23:58:51 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c35c76$a7e058a0$76671a18@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20030806.110840.-1478385.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Hersheypark Adding 10th Coaster Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:58:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > > your site's already getting > > > flak. :-( Not fun being the messenger. > > > > > > > Who's site? what? > > > > Sorry about that. I meant Lance's Screamscape. It seems lots of people > love to jump all over his site whenever he has some incorrect piece of > information, such as this time when he made the easily forgivable mistake > of saying that Hershey's new coaster will have a Cobra Roll rather than a > Cobra Loop before it was even known what a Cobra Loop was. I happen to > think Screamscape has fairly good reliability, but you have to take every > rumor with a grain of salt. People jumping all over me? Wha? I had no idea... :-) Actually, this is one of the main reasons that I really don't get involved with newsgroups anywhere else, other than RollerCoaster Talk. Things get a bit out of control and to be honest, I really couldn't care what others think about Screamscape. Screamscape has the numbers to back it up... both in the number of readers who come back to the site over and over again each week as well as the number of times we've had correct information long before anyone else (Mission Space, Millennium Force, Top Thrill Dragster, Expedition Everest, The Mummy, Men In Black, Spiderman, Goliath, Borg Invansion 4D, Shrek 4D, Stealth, Superman: Ultimate Flight, Superman: Power of Tower, etc... just to name a few of the big ones in the last few years off the top of my head) Those who have been reading for long enough know my track record and I'm honest enough to know that you can't please everyone... there are just those out there who hate rumors all together and anyone who claims to know something before the parks are ready to announce it... I've also seen press releases and newspaper coverage of new ride news screw up enough that I just assumed that the 'Cobra Loop' was a typo so I just fixed it. I should have known better... but in this day and age, I think terms used to describe inversions have become very standard in most parts, so it's unique when a park or manufacutuer starts picking new names... Anyway... as you said... every rumors has to come with a grain of salt... and one of these days I should start saving up the real wacky whoppers I get to make an ultimate top ten listing... From lance@screamscape.com Wed Aug 06 17:02:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63361 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 00:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 00:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 00:02:44 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7702gBq072352 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 54249 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 00:02:42 -0000 Received: from 118.103.26.24.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (24.26.103.118) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 00:02:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c35c77$3157b100$76671a18@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20030806221641.45086.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: The Best Fairs... Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:02:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance This would be directly mostly at Adam, but what in your opinion are really the fairs out there with the best collections of rides each and every year? I spent my whole life growing up in San Diego and at the Del Mar Fair (now renamed San Diego Fair this past year I guess... god knows why...) and ever since I moved to Central Florida, I've been very disapointed with the local displays I've seen at the Florida State Fair (Tampa), Central Florida Fair (Orlando) and the Strawberry Festival (Lakeland)... So are the fairs in Florida just substandard or was I just spoiled by going to the Del Mar Fair all those years? From IOASpiderman@addrealm.com Wed Aug 06 19:04:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@addrealm.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8806 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO natasha.asdf456.com) (64.235.37.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 02:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 23656 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2003 02:04:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mikescomputer) (172.131.33.211) by natasha.asdf456.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 02:04:29 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c35c88$3b151190$d32183ac@mikescomputer> To: References: <20030806.133720.696.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:04:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Mike" Reply-To: "Mike" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129739118 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > > I never rode Steel Phantom, but I did really enjoy Shockwave. While > > it certainly wasn't something one could marathon on, it was great > > for a heavy dose of high intensity. Shockwave had no brake after > > the first loop, so all three loops provided eye-ball popping Gs! > > My problems with Shockwave were never with the first three inversions (at > least not in later years). The last couple of times I rode it, Shockwave > was surprisingly smooth until the awful transition into the midcourse. > Though I think those first three inversions were a *bit* much, I secretly > enjoyed them (shhh!). It was the entire rest of the ride that was so > unbelievably awful. I haven't been on Shockwave, but GASM at SFGAd is the same ride. And yeah, the transition up onto the midcourse is really freakin' bad. Arrow never really mastered going from strait track to banking, at least back then. It's probably a little easier with computers now to calculate stuff, especially transitions around rider's heartlines (example: if you look at b&m's or intamin's cobra rolls strait on, the track does not go strait up, instead it curves out before going into the roll, becuase it keeps the g forces that have to be exerted in the trasition positive insetad of lateral. If you have no clue what I'm talkin about, look at this: http://rcdb.com/installationgallery2169.htm?Picture=18 and compare it to this http://rcdb.com/installationgallery290.htm?Picture=10 - the vekoma transition is much more rigid and right-angled, which results in headbanging. At least though in 2000 (or 1999, or 2001) Great Adventure replaced the transition, and its a lot smoother. Viper is still the best out of the trio. Also, I really like Arrow corkscrews... not the corkscrew coasters, but the element. At the top of the loop, there is a change in laterals, which doesn't really happen on B&M flatspins. On Anaconda at PKD, I thought the corkscrews almost made the ride re-ridable, because you just hung there for the right amount of time to get slight air and be thrown in the opposite direction. But... one of my main problems with Arrow are their trains. I'm not that tall, about 6'2, but because of the OSTR's and how low they are, and the weird way they pad their seats, its fairly uncomfortable, and also it doesn't seem like there's enough room. Most arrows I can tolerate, but the two at BGW were absolutely horrible, I had to really pull down to get teh OSTR's to lock, and by then they were really digging into my shoulders, which killed after the ride. However, this could just be a problem with all old rides, as teh schwarzkopf sooperdooperlooper is a pretty tight fit for me with leg room, but the lap bars at least save my shoulders. But even Premier's new trains at PKD i had a problem fitting my feet in, though at that time I was wearing large skate shoes... but even still, I dont really have problems with being able to fit in the train on many other coasters. Mike IOASpiderman@addrealm.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 19:25:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44777 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 02:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 02:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.26) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 02:25:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807022534.78693.qmail@web40008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:25:34 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: The Best Fairs... To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "This would be directly mostly at Adam, but what in your opinion are really the fairs out there with the best collections of rides each and every year?" Hmm, a fair question. Are we even allowed to talk about that? I thought we had to talk about X and TTD only! Oh wait, that is most every other discussion group out there. The fairs with the best collections of rides. Well, if you are looking for a combination of number of rides and quality of the pieces I would say the following (in really no order): Minnesota- http://www.mnstatefair.org/ This is an indepedent midway with all of the standard American spectaculars and a six piece limit from one operator. In addition, it has 2 sky rides, an Intamin Gyro Tower, a Hopkins Rapids ride and an Old Mill. Plus, the icon is a huge beaver (or is it a badger?). Either way I love it and laugh my ass off every time I see it. Minnesota has a lot more traditional rides than at other fairs, such as a skywheel, because for some reason classic rides fare very well here. Texas- http://www.bigtex.com/ The same big pieces that play Minnesota are here (such as the Top Scan and Shake), but this one has some unique pieces, like the Mondial Supernova that is kept on the fairgrounds all year long and only runs during the fair. It has a beautifully restored Dentzel carousel (one of the best of his left in the country), a log flume, the AWESOME Love Bugs Mack Music Express, the towering SDC "Texas Star" Ferris wheel, and (of course) Big Tex. Texas and Minnesota go back and forth each year with having the better ride line-up, it just depends what the final booked line-up is. Ray Cammack Shows: http://www.rcsfun.com I can't really say that one spot RCS plays is any better than the other. The bottom line is that if thier whole midway is up (and this includes the Bishop Brothers, who book thier Spin Out, Tango, Mega Drop and other pieces in) it is an amazing collection of rides. Not only that, you will find that many of these pieces are in mechanically better condition than thier amusement park counterparts. For a complete look at thier rides check out: http://www.rcsfun.com/rides.html The Bussink La Grande Wheel, the new European-style bumper cars, 2 major coasters and amazing care make RCS a pioneer in the world of traveling rides. This could be the single best collection of rides owned by one owner in the entire world. CNE- Toronto: http://www.conklinshows.com http://www.theex.com/ Conklin and a sister carnival, World's Finest Shows, bring thier might together to put together an amazing collection of spectacular rides, some of which, like the Moser Gravity Tower, Schwarzkopf Doppel Loop, Soriani & Moser Top Star Tour are the only versions in the country or the only traveling versions in the country. While Conklin does not have quite the upkeep level of RCS, they haul an impressive amount of iron about 3/4 of the way across Canada and all the way down to Florida. Puyallup: http://www.funtasticshows.com/ http://www.thefair.com/ Funtastic Shows plays this spot along with the permanent rides on the fairground such as the Top Spin, S&S Tower and the venerable coaster. Funtastic takes immaculate care of the equipment and it shows. The light packages on several of thier rides are neon (VERY hard to move) and they have a lot of pices not found on many midways like the Chance Skydiver and Chance Rotor along with North America's only traveling Huss Frisbee (a five-trailer monster). While I wouldn't put these guys up in the echelon with RCS or Funtastic, Strates Shows tops out the next tier and is a very good show. They travel by train (the only American carnival to still do so) and have some large pieces. They move a Huss Enterprise, Huss Rainbow, Huss Pirate and Huss Top Spin (the only portable version in the country that moves) and all of these have the classic flash. In addition, they have some other neat pieces like the Tivoli Remix, a traveling skyride (!) and a Zierer Wave Swinger. http://www.strates.com "I spent my whole life growing up in San Diego and at the Del Mar Fair (now renamed San Diego Fair this past year I guess... god knows why...) and ever since I moved to Central Florida, I've been very disapointed with the local displays I've seen at the Florida State Fair (Tampa), Central Florida Fair (Orlando) and the Strawberry Festival (Lakeland)... So are the fairs in Florida just substandard or was I just spoiled by going to the Del Mar Fair all those years?" Yes, at Del Mar you saw RCS, which is basically the best out there. So, I can see how coming from that you might be dissapointed. However, I am surprised that the Central Florida was a bad one for you. Wade plays that and if the spot calls for thier entire midway (and I don't know how much they set up) they have a nice show, including the first Fabbri Mega Drop that came to the US. The Florida State Fair has had a nice hard ride line up the last few years, but the place is a hole. I went the last two years and hoped not to be stabbed. Mid-America Shows got next year's contract and if they do things right (bring in friends like All Star & Astro and book in indepedents like CVS for the Top Scan and Wave Swinger) it should be decent. The Strawberry Festival has Mighty Bluegrass who travel with a Zamperla Nitro (only traveling one in the country), Zamperla Z-Force (only traveling one on the continent), a Soriani & Moser Energy Storm (only one in the country), a Moser Dream Machine and a few others. While thier stuff isn't RCS its not garbage...I would say it is middle of the road. Probably the best all-around fair in the state is the Dade County Fair, which as Conklin along with CVS (Top Scan) and several other indepedents. Hopefully this long-winded response gives you some of what you were looking for. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 06 19:45:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79829 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 02:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 02:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 02:45:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21072 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Aug 2003 02:45:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807024500.21071.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:45:00 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <001e01c35c88$3b151190$d32183ac@mikescomputer> from "Mike" at Aug 06, 2003 10:04:25 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Nate said: > > My problems with Shockwave were never with the first three inversions (at > > least not in later years). The last couple of times I rode it, Shockwave > > was surprisingly smooth until the awful transition into the midcourse. Yeah, that was pretty bad (ok, really bad!). I remember they worked on that piece of track before the 1999 or 2000 season (I remember it missing), but never noticed any difference. > > Though I think those first three inversions were a *bit* much, I secretly > > enjoyed them (shhh!). Woah .. quite an admission! Did Satan skate to work this morning?! ;-) (Sorry I didn't reply to Nate directly .. I think I missed his post) Mike Said: > Arrow never really mastered going from strait track to banking, at > least back then. Right .. it's almost as if they designed their rides like in RollerCoaster Tycoon! > (example: if you look at b&m's or intamin's cobra rolls strait on, > the track does not go strait up, instead it curves out before going > into the roll, becuase it keeps the g forces that have to be exerted > in the trasition positive insetad of lateral. It's really evident in this photo: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery2169.htm?Picture=22 > Also, I really like Arrow corkscrews... not the corkscrew coasters, but the > element. At the top of the loop, there is a change in laterals, which > doesn't really happen on B&M flatspins. I think it's because the Arrow corkscrews are linear, the curve remains the same the whole way through .. While the B&M flat-spins seems to start out slow, but then snap around in the middle. I read someplace that B&M do this intentionally, so that the riders subconsciously compensate for the laterals and avoid head-banging. I don't know how much merit to put in this, though. > But... one of my main problems with Arrow are their trains. Oh man .. I agree with that. I try to ride in the front of a car, since that the only place I can fit (leg-room). But the restraints are pretty bad. > I'm not that tall, about 6'2 I'm only about 6 foot .. and I still find them pretty bad. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there & I like it! * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 20:00:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14721 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 03:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 03:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.86) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 03:00:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2003 03:00:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:00:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Top Thrill Crapster Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6828 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Brian Farral" X-Originating-IP: 68.71.108.75 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck This is not meant to be a TR, but will probably end up reading like one, albeit with a little bitching and a complete and utter disbelief at what I saw going on with Dragster yesterday. (keep reading, it gets really good at the end... trust me) The reason I went was to meet up with the late, great MikeSka formerly of this list. Yes, King VaginaBouncingUpAndDownOnMyLap himself! He was with his sister Angie and her BF John, both of whom I'd also met at SRM. And Mike was wearing his "Give us ERT now" ARN+R t-shirt. I arrived at 9am yesterday (tues) to take advantage of my Joe Cool club membership which allows me into the park 1/2 hour before the GP. Gates open to the GP at 9:30. Also allowed in early are resort guests. I parked in the Soak City lot and imagine my surprise when I saw the line stretch all the way out past Magnum to where the Skycoaster is. I soon found out that was for resort guests and that season passes had a much shorter line up front. So I got in the park at 9:05. Walked past Dragster to see men working on the track. Headed to Millie along with everyone else. When I got there, the line began before the train tracks! But it was straight in and they were opening the queues. Entered the line at 9:10, and this is 20 minutes BEFORE the park opens to the GP. The wait... 45 MINUTES!!! You better believe I was pissed! This is what I bought Joe Cool for? Right before I rode, Mike called me and told me they were walking towards MF. After I rode, I arranged it so I could go meet Mike, and then walk back up the exit with him and we'd get a ride with no wait. But I'm not telling you how... At 10am the line was over 2 hours long. A line was also forming for the Freeway stamps. We rode Iron Dragon and came back for our stamps. At 10:40, 20 minutes beofre they start giving them out, the stamp line was stretched back to the MF tunnels. Yet another reason these stamps are wrong. They blocked traffic and created confusion to the people walking by who didn't know what the line was for. MF packed 2 hour+ lines all day, and they were giving out line jumping stamps. But if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. However, judging by the length of the line, I thought that my stamp would be for a time after I had to leave at 5pm, so I said I'd head over to Dragster, assess the situation and they'd meet me there. Only 20 or so people in front of me but the men were still working on the track. They were on cherrypickers and were tightening bolt, and bringing spools of wire over, etc. Not looking good. Mike and Co. found me at about 11:15 and we left to go ride other things. One of which was the Paddlewheel Excursion. This is one of my favorite rides at the park, and Janice and I ride it almost every time we come. Since none of them had ridden it before I built it up real good. We grabbed front ro seats and I told the Captain that we had 3 PWE virgins with us. Well, Captain A (to protect her identity) was apparently a crowd favorite cuz she was talking with some of the families who had already ridden with her 3 times that day. She was one of the best PWE captains I've ever seen as well. So as we steamed out she said "should I tell the Dragster jokes this time? Will anyone here report me to management?" Of course we all said no and she managed to work many jokes into the cruise. Including calling it "Top Thrill Crapster." I was glad to see that Mike and Co. really enjoyed their PWE trip. Now it was about 3pm and we checked back in on Dragster. Still men working on cherrypickers. They were holding up 15 inch or so long sections of metal pipe, maybe 1 inch in diameter, and moving it around the inside of the track structure, in between all the machinery for the brakes. Weird. Many of the people who were there at 11 were still there... We asked a ride op is it worth waiting for. She said "We had people wait there all day yesterday and it never opened. Go ride other stuff." We did. Here's where it gets funny... A little after 4pm it was time for me to leave. Mike walked back to Dragster with me to see me off and check out the situation for himself. Angie and John had split from us earlier. Now the men were drilling holes in the track structure! Yup... they had drills and were drilling holes into the horizontal support beams that are in the center of the box track. We were puzzled... what are they doing? We then saw the man screw some sort of clamp into the hole he had just drilled. Looking at the bigger picture we saw what they were doing. Remember that pipe? Well there were 2 sections, about 10ft long each, made up of these pipes, that were already attached to the track structure. One end was capped off and the other bent down 90 degrees with some sort of nozzle attatchment. Like what you'd attatch a rubber gas line to. So they were drilling into the track and attaching sections of pipe... For what purpose, I don't know. Once I figured out what they were doing, I had to laugh. This is the last straw... this proves what a piece of $#!T Dragster really is. They were Jerryrigging the coaster!!! How can I prove it? Well I can't, but nowhere else along the ride were there any pipes like these. And they were drilling holes into the solid structure. What more do you need to know? I have no idea what kind of band-aid solution this is, or what function this rigging will serve, but it's funny as hell. And funnier still were the same people still camped out at the entrance. Couldn't they see the extent of the work being done and realise that it was not going to open any time soon? Well, I left then. Later that night, around 11pm, Mike called me to tell me what happened to them later that evening. Dragster began testing, so they ran over to join the line. Groups of mechanics were test riding. Groups of ride ops and sweeper crews were test riding. He said the trains rolled back numerous times from the top of the hill. After an hour and a half of this, an announcement was made that the ride would be closed for the rest of the night. Based on the crowds I saw Saturday with Janice, and Tues with Mike, I don't think I'll be heading out there any more in the month of August. However, my sister may come out for Labor Day weekend, in which case I'll take her and tolerate the lines because it's the only time she can make it. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. P.S. Again, let it be known that I love Top Thrill Dragster. It is an incredible ride and I wish they would get it fixed. I love TTD and I love CP, however, I laugh and badmouth it because I'm just so incredibly pissed off at the situation. I can't even ride it because on the rare occasion it's open when I'm there, I won't take the gamble of waiting in line because it still breaks down all the time. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 06 20:06:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74970 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 03:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 03:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 03:06:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/vYCjxtdCYPdZHzwtc3aDTDXBAgzf7XWr">; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:06:27 EDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6XUYKQK; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:06:27 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:05:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: The Best Fairs... Message-ID: <20030806.220558.1568.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,8-11,15-18,20-26,32-37,39-41 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Minnesota- > http://www.mnstatefair.org/ > In addition, it has 2 sky rides, an Intamin > Gyro Tower Are you sure this is Intamin? Chris and I were talking about it awhile back and decided it may very well be a Von Roll ride since it was built in 1966. >a Hopkins Rapids ride and an Old Mill. The Old Mill is a fun ride, but also very popular. It's a lot like Kennywoods, but it has even less scenery (ie it's basically dark the entire ride). It may be awkward riding by yourself or whatever, but Adam and his girlfriend may enjoy it. :-) > Plus, the icon is a huge beaver (or is it a badger?). Gopher (as in Minnesota Gophers). We're badgers in WI, and I believe the beavers belong to NY. > Either way I love it and laugh my ass off every time I > see it. Minnesota has a lot more traditional rides > than at other fairs, such as a skywheel, because for > some reason classic rides fare very well here. Twin Cities residents love their fair, and unlike the WI State Fair, there's *tons* to do there aside from the midway. I'm really sad that I probably won't get to go this year, as I'd rather go to the fair than many amusement parks. The cheese curds here are to die for, as well as the french fries between the "Adventure Park" (skycoaster, ejection seat, SCAD tower, etc) and the main midway. Texas > this one has some > unique pieces, like the Mondial Supernova This ride does *not* invert, correct? Is it really a "ride for the whole family" like Mondial claims on their site? -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 06 20:06:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13108 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 03:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 03:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 03:06:40 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/vYCjxtdCYPdxRqNVaHS5fVxLMvu8ri0c">; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:06:27 EDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6XUYKQH; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:06:27 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:43:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Where you headin' this fall? Message-ID: <20030806.220558.1568.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,12-14 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > That sucks. I am curious where Talley was booked in. > > As for the Shake, I am not sad I missed JUST that as > > I will be riding it three weeks from this weekend at > > the Minnesota State Fair. > > There is going to be a shake there? hmmm...I'm thinking Road Trip. > I REALLY want to get on one of these. > I really wish I had a breakdance closer to me, too. Actually, > there's a LOT > of flat rides that I wish I had near me. Why wouldn't you do a road trip now when the Shake is five hours closer to you? :-) -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 06 20:09:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23907 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 03:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 03:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 03:09:18 -0000 Received: (cpmta 23387 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 20:09:17 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.137 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.119) with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 20:09:17 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2003 03:09:17 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.241] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Trip report: SFNE 8-3-03 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:09:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030806200917.5651.h022.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Oh, here we are in the station -- again, didn't really want to choose my own seat. < But we *did* choose our own seat on Cyclone! (Well, that was because we ended up first in line....) As Chris pointed out, it's not so much assigned seating as it is a first-come-first-serve seating. But on Thunderbolt, you're right: everyone is told to move all the way down to the end of the station. So wherever you are in line, that's your seat. Unlike Canobie's Cannonball, Thunderbolt's station could easily be adapted to any-seat queuing. Rumors have been flying about a makeover there for some time. > Third row this time, and it was even better than the first < Actually, it was the third *seat* -- 2.1 in our parlance. And unlike Chris, I find that there is a bit of a difference in that seat. The airtime is more intense, and I really don't know why. The first ride we got that night was in the blue train, which had just been put on the track and was noticeably slower. The second ride was in the red train, which had been running all day. It was noticeably faster. > Thanks to Jay for being a great host/guide. < You're quite welcome. Y'all come back again real soon, y'hear! :-) The only thing I'll add to your report is the delicious serving of skillet potatoes we got from Crackaxle Canyon. I'm going to make those a regular treat! Jay From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Aug 06 21:07:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68884 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 04:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 04:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.81) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 04:07:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:07:06 -0700 Received: from 24.49.142.122 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 04:07:06 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Trip report: SFNE 8-3-03 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:07:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2003 04:07:06.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DCACF70:01C35C99] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.142.122] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >now they can't let you "first come first serve" because they hold everyone >at >the bottom of the ramp and let them up in groups equal to the number of >seats >on the train - of course they're doing all of this to accomodate the EVIL, >EVIL, EVIL LO-Q!!!!!! That still sounds like first come, first serve to me. Like I said, I haven't seen them assign seats since the old Riverside days. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Aug 06 21:11:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4675 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 04:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 04:11:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 04:11:06 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1e9.e6c6513 (16781) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e9.e6c6513.2c632b52@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:10:58 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Where you headin' this fall? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2003 11:08:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > Why wouldn't you do a road trip now when the Shake is five hours closer > to you? :-) > where is it now? I had no idea it was that close....ahhh! Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 06 21:16:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71199 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 04:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 04:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 04:16:07 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/89Upg2MMX54NtH37HlYQ0ibkLOSqoQyG">; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:15:08 EDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6XYWB6J; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:15:08 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:14:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Where you headin' this fall? Message-ID: <20030806.231437.1568.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-11 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Why wouldn't you do a road trip now when the Shake is five hours > closer > > to you? :-) > > > > where is it now? > I had no idea it was that close....ahhh! Wisconsin State Fair in Milwaukee (the Topscan is there too). It is there through this weekend. -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 06 21:35:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49490 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 04:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 04:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40020.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.60) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 04:35:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807043539.59741.qmail@web40020.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40020.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:35:39 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: The Best Fairs... To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "Are you sure this is Intamin? Chris and I were talking about it awhile back and decided it may very well be a Von Roll ride since it was built in 1966." Good point. It probably is a Von Roll, it could be a Waagner Buro, too. "The Old Mill is a fun ride, but also very popular. It's a lot like Kennywoods, but it has even less scenery (ie it's basically dark the entire ride). It may be awkward riding by yourself or whatever, but Adam and his girlfriend may enjoy it. :-)" Oh, I would enjoy it by myself! To quote the Bloodhound Gang, "Did I just say that out loud?" "Twin Cities residents love their fair, and unlike the WI State Fair, there's *tons* to do there aside from the midway." Although Wisconsin has the cream puffs, which I sadly missed last year. I know I will probably miss half of the "must-do's" as Minnesota has so many great, unique stands and concessions. Of course, Iowa has a cow made out of butter every year... "I'm really sad that I probably won't get to go this year, as I'd rather go to the fair than many amusement parks. The cheese curds here are to die for, as well as the french fries between the "Adventure Park"" >> unique pieces, like the Mondial Supernova >This ride does *not* invert, correct? Is it really >a "ride for the whole family" like Mondial claims on >their site? True. I rode the one at Long Island's Adventureland and found it a lot of fun, although the lapbars do press the crotch a bit. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Wed Aug 06 22:35:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34712 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out002.verizon.net) (206.46.170.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 05:35:12 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030807053511.NOBT18222.out002.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:35:11 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Top Thrill Crapster References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:35:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:35:10 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:00:28 -0000, Brian Farral wrote: > This is not meant to be a TR, but will probably end up reading like > one, albeit with a little bitching and a complete and utter disbelief > at what I saw going on with Dragster yesterday. You may well find this interesting then. It comes from an article found here: http://www.thenews-messenger.com/news/stories/20030805/localnews/6691.html Cedar Point trumpeted the opening of its 420-foot coaster this spring, but within a month, it was grounded by a blown valve in the hydraulic propulsion system. "This is the most frustrating ride I've ever been through," said Richard Kinzel, who has been with the park since 1972 and is now president of Cedar Fair LP, the parent company of Cedar Point. "We'll think we have it solved, and then six hours later, it's down." Engineers brought in from Switzerland and Germany by the ride's maker, Intamin AG, spent a month overhauling the coaster. More trouble followed as it blew motors and pumps, Kinzel said. "Everyone asks what the problem is, but we just don't know," he said. "I don't think the manufacturers know." Intamin President Sandor Kernacs did not return messages seeking comment. keep on ridin' George (who is still looking for a couple of coaches for the fantasy football league, though it's nearly full) -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From Xcoaster@juno.com Thu Aug 07 00:30:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68162 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 07:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 07:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 07:30:29 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWmBXkMg0Mq2ZE+0uPZVtonpWS9Sr9RxZRQ==">; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:30:15 EDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H6YB3LDN; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:30:15 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:17:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PGA 7/31/03 part 2 Message-ID: <20030807.001717.-1818309.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,11-20,23-38,40-63,65-73,75-84,88-103,107-124,127-148,152-167,169-176,178-205,210-215,217-225,227-232,235-236,238 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > After we got off the motorized cars, we headed over towards another > coaster > that they could ride, and to me a bit surprisingly so-The Demon. > This > would be the kids first multi-looping coaster, so I was a bit > nervous for > them, but they weren't at all That's good to hear. I guess your son isn't that afraid of coasters anymore as I believe you said he used to be. He did used to be a lot, right? > I'm > also > sure that I remember them running it reverse for a few rounds to, > which > they didn't do anymore, but that may be old age memory playing > tricks on > me. :) It's probably possible seeing that many parks run their flat rides different from others, and in this case, they may just be running differently from before. > In any case, I finally made it into the entrance for Invertigo, and > after a > short 3 train wait amongst a few sprinkles coming down from the sky, > I was > seated in the next to last backwards facing seat. I think that's about where I sat. > In any case I really liked > Invertigo, and > it shows again that Vekoma can make some great rides when they want > to. > Score: 9 Do you prefer this or the oversized Deja Vu version? I also wish more parks had these, especially instead of all those boomerangs. > We checked out the Sponge Bob theater, but after waiting around for > along > time and watching the other side load up at least twice with > Spongebob not > moving at all, we moved over to the other side, which had an Indiana > Jones > type of show playing, and where we found out a seat on the SpongeBob > side > had broken (why they couldn't put someone out front to say that and > instead > leave everyone wondering was beyond me) The show we did see was > alright a > bit, but a bit much for the kids, which I probably would have > realized if > I'd bothered to look. And trying to explain a show like that to > them while > making sure they're not scared just doesn't work real well. So we > exited > with promises to the kids to come back in a bit when the show was > working > right and see SpongeBob. Was this in 3D too or not? It was the same when I was there too, a large line outside Sponge Bob, no one at the other. > I really enjoyed these, and would have liked > more > time on them to see how far I could get, but the others were wanting > to > move on, so off we did to a ride I would feel for the rest of the > day. I'll be sure to try those next time. Actually, from your TR it looks like I have a lot of flats and such that I missed. > We let the kids take another ride or two in nearby Kidzville (sorry, > a bit > blurry here) then backtracked once again on our way up to the > Eagle's > Flight-one of the last cable car/ sky car's in the state (SCBB and > the > Orange County Fair have the only other 2 I'm aware of) Tis not the case. Down here in San Diego we're hogging three of them. We have one at the Zoo, one at Sea World (both cost extra from admission), and one at the San Diego County Fair, though I think I've only seen it operating during that so it might be temporary, though that is unlikely. This is > still a > very nice, relaxing way to view the entire park, and provided a > great place > to take some pictures. I had been taking a bunch all day, and Deb > was > starting to get a bit annoyed at it-which means I had to take one of > her. > Isn't there rules about trying to beat people up in these things? > If there > is she ignored them and gave me a nice bruise to remember the flight > by. > :) I usually find these a tiny bit frightening, but I also took the opportunity to get some pictures from it. And don't worry about not taking pictures of people, I rarely do, though I'm trying to start so that I don't seem too heartless or whatever. (I took a few in Florida). > After exiting in "Pavilion Plaza" (the former New Orleans Square) we > took a > round on the Rue Le Dodge bumper cars. Jon Zerkel will be happy to > hear, > there are still a set of awesome bumper cars in CA!! These babies > ran flat > out, fast, and had no direction rules-meaning head on's were ok. > This is > the way bumper cars are supposed to run, so you can FEEL the > collisions. > It was enough that the one time I had a good shot at Deb and Amber's > back I > yelled to them first so I didn't give them whiplash when I hit. > Wow! The > other parks need to take lessons on this one. I forgot all about these. I remembered the name, but completely forgot that they were bumper cars. It's nice to hear there are still some good ones in California, I'll have to try those too next time. > Deb and the kids then headed into the Great American Outlet-a store > with > all their outdated and marked down merchandise. I took a quick look > at Top > Gun, but it had a substantial line and as much as I wanted to ride I > wasn't > going to make them wait, so I joined in on the shopping. Maybe it's > just > me, but I think every park should have a shop like this. What better > way to > get rid of old unsold merchandise is there? We bought t-shirts for > $7, > coloring and souvenier books for 50 cents, giant pencils for $1, > keychains > and magnets for $1.50 or less (one keychain for 25 cents), and more. > I > bought a bunch of stuff and was still able to stay well within > budgets, > which was very nice. Again, I'll need to check into this place next time. I always like the marked down stuff as they often have the souvenirs/shirts I'm looking for. And I bet they had a Top Gun shirt too (sorry you didn't get to ride that though). > It was also while standing here that we looked over to the > Pictorium, one > of the very first IMAX theaters ever built, hoping to find out what > was > playing since it hadn't been listed in the shows guide. Sadly we > found out > why-it was closed, with no shows playing and looking like it was > being set > aside and forgotten. Even the name had been removed from the > building and > the arches leading to its entrances. And while I hope that's > temporary for > this year, with the other changes I've seen I'm not so optimistic. It really didn't look like they cared about it much when I was there either. I wonder if it's even on the map. > The kids took a round on the Celebration Swings, a pretty standard > version. > Don't know why but these have just never done a whole lot for me, > but the > kids love them, so that's good. I happen to dislike the swings now, so if you don't care for them, that's fine. They're almost as scary as Ferris Wheels. > Next stop was Triple Play, their > troika. > This used to be one of our favorite rides as kids, and it was still > a lot > of fun. One of the things that used to be so fun with this was on > the > upswings you'd hit the tree branches from the Willow *coughcough* George said "Willow" *cough* > and other trees > > around. They formed a wall around this ride and you weren't able to > really > see anything past them to the rest of the park. Unfortunately, the > trees > are almost entirely gone, removing part of the mystique that made it > fun, > and giving wide open views to Vortex and the chain link fence around > it. I > still love toikas, and the kids had a blast on it, but I'm left > wondering > why they ripped down the trees and didn't make any effort to replace > them > at least. Oh yeah, I remember seeing that from Vortex's brakes. Looked fun, sort of like a low level Condor, but I didn't think much about it, nor did I have any idea it was a Troika. BTW, on the way back from Florida I found out that a Troika is apparently a Russian chariot or sled like thing. Unless if the word has another translation, which seems likely. > With my last ride done, we got together, took a last look at the > carousel > as we got my son his smashed pennies, They had a penny smashing machine?!? Dang it! I must have missed that, unless if they had unappealing designs and I just forgot about it. > It was also > very > obviously a Paramount park now, though there were no longer Klingons > and > Ferengi running around the Yukon (much as I love Trek, that was > annoying) Oh, side comment, that Borg Invasion 3D/4D attraction in Vegas looks really nice. Should accent the pre existing stuff exceptionally well. > And with that, I'll bring this mammoth thing to a close. Thanks for > > reading along with the whole thing! :) Yeah, that was pretty long for only riding 3 coasters in that part, but was very enjoyable even so. Good TR, and you gave me new things to do next time. Ryan Snooks who's going up to Yosemite area until about Tuesday, so not too much posting, OK? Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Thu Aug 07 06:04:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56564 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 13:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 13:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 13:04:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2003 13:04:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:04:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030807024500.21071.qmail@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 530 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, cameron@b... wrote: > > > But... one of my main problems with Arrow are their trains. > > Oh man .. I agree with that. I try to ride in the front of a car, > since that the only place I can fit (leg-room). But the restraints > are pretty bad. > > > I'm not that tall, about 6'2 > > I'm only about 6 foot .. and I still find them pretty bad. > > Cam. I guess being short and stumpy like me helps in this situation. must be why Arrows dont bother me as much as they do some folks. From rockcandy47978@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 06:30:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rockcandy47978@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3851 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 13:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 13:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 13:30:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2003 13:30:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:30:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: question Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 256 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rockcandy47978" X-Originating-IP: 69.34.24.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139041250 X-Yahoo-Profile: rockcandy47978 As you people may or may not know, I am heading to Six Flags GrAm this weekend(sun and mon). Any advice such as what to hit first, best time to head to park, eateries....anything? Any info to get the most out of the two days would be most appreciated :) From rumors@absolutelyreliable.com Thu Aug 07 07:08:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rumors@absolutelyreliable.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7490 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 14:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 14:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO meson.liquidweb.com) (64.91.233.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 14:08:50 -0000 Received: from wc.com ([66.95.69.30] helo=WCHILDS) by meson.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19klM7-0000VR-BY for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c35ced$6cb435e0$a90c10ac@wc.com> To: References: <1060250525.324.32469.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: Trip report: SFNE 8-3-03 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:08:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - meson.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - absolutelyreliable.com From: "ARN&R" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131811069 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm Chris wrote: << That still sounds like first come, first serve to me. Like I said, I haven't seen them assign seats since the old Riverside days. >> It's sort of first come, first serve, though if you happen to be last in the set of people being allowed in for a single train, you're out of luck. The difference to me is that you have no option of waiting for a particular spot. then Jay wrote (actually he wrote earlier, I think, but it doesn't much matter) after I had referred to sitting in the third row: << Actually, it was the third *seat* -- 2.1 in our parlance. >> It is also the third row. Third row of seats. I think that's a more accessible way of saying it... From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 07 08:10:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64877 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 15:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 15:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 15:10:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21640 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Aug 2003 15:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807151049.21639.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] question To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:10:49 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "rockcandy47978" at Aug 07, 2003 01:30:41 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I would suggest getting to the park at about 9am, which is close to when they open the gates to the parking lot. Try very hard to have your tickets in advance, to avoid having to wait in line at the ticket booths. Tickets can be purchased at Chicago area Jewel supermarkets, and I even believe that they are now selling two-day tickets for the price of one. They usually start letting people into the front part of the park at about 9:30am (park officially opens at 10), and most people begin lining up for Superman (note: they won't let you ride Superman until 10.. but you can start lining up). You need to make a choice, as you can either go straight to superman and get on with just a minimal wait (10-20 minutes, once they start loading). OR, you can skip superman and head straight for V2, Batman, and Raging Bull. I actually suggest the latter, since you'll be able to get to several rides within the first hour (something that won't be possible to do later in the day). Then, when everything is crowded, head back to Superman and wait for that .. You should only have to wait 60 to 90 minutes (and a 90 minute wait would really surprise me). The Superman line is deceptive .. the entire line is just about an hour wait .. and when it spills out to the Bumper Cars, it's only about 10 to 15 minutes extra. Cam. > As you people may or may not know, I am heading to Six Flags GrAm this > weekend(sun and mon). Any advice such as what to hit first, best time > to head to park, eateries....anything? Any info to get the most out > of the two days would be most appreciated :) > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** Bring me another * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Grapefruit! * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 08:42:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73262 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 15:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 15:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40017.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.57) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 15:42:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807154214.70519.qmail@web40017.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40017.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:42:14 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: The best fairs... To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I forgot to mention that Funtastic also brings the only traveling Miler Water Coaster (and one of two on the continent) and only traveling Zierer Hexentanz (one of three on the continent) to Washington. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 07 08:47:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34548 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 15:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 15:47:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.122) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 15:47:49 -0000 Received: (cpmta 11141 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 08:47:48 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.137 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 08:47:48 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2003 15:47:48 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.41] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Trip report: SFNE 8-3-03 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:47:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030807084748.6723.h022.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > now they can't let you "first come first serve" because they hold everyone at the bottom of the ramp and let them up in groups equal to the number of seats on the train - of course they're doing all of this to accomodate the EVIL, EVIL, EVIL LO-Q!!!!!! < I second that emotion. One thing that I didn't mention about the Cyclone is how slowly it's running now, and I don't mean just the six minute cycle time. When the new PTC trains were first installed, the ride time was about 56 seconds, close to what Bill Cobb was envisioning. An attendant told us that the ride is now running about about 1:10, and it really feels it. The second half of the ride, in the past brutally manic, is now just a lazy, rough trip with a heavy trim near the end. It's enough to give wood coasters a bad name. *That's* is supposed to be a great ride? Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 07 08:57:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32237 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 15:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 15:57:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.127) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 15:57:09 -0000 Received: (cpmta 14899 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 08:57:08 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.137 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.127) with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 08:57:08 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2003 15:57:08 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.41] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Brief TR: Storyland/ Playland X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030807085708.6723.h022.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > We parked at the entrance of Playland, and walked in to look around first, as admission was free. Playland consists of several old carnival rides, including a merry-go- round, a lady bug, an old space ship kiddie ride < Isn't this merry-go-round the historic original built by Arrow, which led to their contract with Disney? I just read an article about it being completely restored. The Rotary has taken the unusual step of asking for donations of rides from manufacturers to increase their number of attractions. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 07 09:50:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61182 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 16:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 16:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.122) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 16:50:58 -0000 Received: (cpmta 11786 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 09:50:56 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.124 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 09:50:56 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Aug 2003 16:50:56 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.45] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:50:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030807095056.11546.h010.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I like the kick and the fact that you can feel them, as you mention. The forces are there, and most of them I've found to be a lot of fun. There just seem to be some that for whatever reason can't handle the jostling. < I too like some Arrows, just as I like some coasters from lots of manufacturers. Gemini and Big Bad Wolf jump to mind. PKI's Vortex is another. I agree that the trains leave something to be desired. I don't think Arrow every outgrew its mine train mentality. As for computer design, Arrow was one of the first companies to experiment with computer modeling. (Didn't do them any good, apparently....) That infamous jostling, IMO, is the result of three things: One is their adherence to a tubular spine for the track, which is a very imprecise way of aligning the ledgers. A look down Steel Phantom's big drop makes this obvious: the track is not straight, but randomly wobbles from side to side. Two is the design of the train trucks, where there's about a one inch gap between the track and the tiny upstop wheels. That's too much play. Arrow probably assumed that in loops, centrifugal force would keep the train firmly against the track. But the problem is usually with the transitions into and out of the elements, not at their zenith. Third is Ron Toomer. He went on record saying that what coaster enthusiasts enjoy is a little roughness. He thought that was what a good coaster offered. Of course, he famously never rode any of his creations, so he never experienced his theory first-hand. Arrow could have stayed at the top, but they didn't change with the times. As new technologies and manufacturing techniques developed (such as B&M's brilliant tesselated spine), they stuck with their old techniques. Even X, though it has radically different trains, sports the same old problematic Arrow track structure. You might think, "Well, Schwartzkopf used tubular spines." That's true, but he aligned his rails so that they created a flat plane. In other words, the rails weren't precariously suspended high above the spine on multi-piece welded ledgers. (That's another thing that's always puzzled me: those needlessly complicated Arrow ledgers constructed like theater scenery.) I'll always remember Arrow's historical place in the development of thrill rides. New Arrow rides traditionally ran beautifully, but aged horribly. And for almost three decades, Arrow was reknowned for pushing the envelope for thrills. But they never seemed to learn from their mistakes. I mean, come on: using upstop *plates* on Magnum!? The ride was designed to deliver copious airtime! What the heck were they thinking? Jay From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 07 10:49:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38440 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 17:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 17:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 17:49:41 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030807174941.DAVJ21766.out003.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:49:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:49:42 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PGA 7/31/03 part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <20030807.001717.-1818309.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030807.001717.-1818309.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:49:40 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:17:16 -0700, wrote: > That's good to hear. I guess your son isn't that afraid of coasters > anymore as I believe you said he used to be. He did used to be a lot, > right? He's gettting over it and progressing onto things that he might have considered scary a year ago. Funny thing is my daughter, the brave one, is now seeing a ride here and there that she's scared of. Gotta love the phases that kids go through. :) > >> In any case I really liked Invertigo, and it shows again that Vekoma can >> make some great rides when they want to. Score: 9 > > Do you prefer this or the oversized Deja Vu version? I also wish more > parks had these, especially instead of all those boomerangs. To be honest, I don't think I have enough rides on either one to really be able to say. I only have one ride on an Invertigo, and a total of 4 or so on the Deja Vu's, and it's hard to really make a call based on that. > > Was this in 3D too or not? It was the same when I was there too, a large > line outside Sponge Bob, no one at the other. Oh boy was it in 3d! I think that the Sponge Bob show may have had the best actual 3d effects I've seen in one of these so far, as there were several spots where it was really "in your face" > > Actually, from your TR it looks like > I have a lot of flats and such that I missed. Great America has always seemed to have a pretty good selection of flats. I am actually pleased that they have so many of their older ones still in place to. But yeah, you got to try them out, they've got a good mix of "family friendly" rides all around the park. > >> We let the kids take another ride or two in nearby Kidzville (sorry, a >> bit blurry here) then backtracked once again on our way up to the >> Eagle's Flight-one of the last cable car/ sky car's in the state (SCBB >> and the Orange County Fair have the only other 2 I'm aware of) > > Tis not the case. Down here in San Diego we're hogging three of them. We > have one at the Zoo, one at Sea World (both cost extra from admission), > and one at the San Diego County Fair, though I think I've only seen it > operating during that so it might be temporary, though that is unlikely. I had a feeling that there were at least a couple I was forgetting. I forgot about the one at the zoo, and didn't realize that Sea World had one. And I doubt that the one at Del Mar is temporary, even if they only use it during the fair. > > I usually find these a tiny bit frightening, but I also took the > opportunity to get some pictures from it. And don't worry about not > taking pictures of people, I rarely do, though I'm trying to start so > that I don't seem too heartless or whatever. (I took a few in Florida). I wasn't worried about that, though I did get a good number with the kids in it. My sister was just getting plain sick and tired of me shooting off pictures. I dunno, I didn't think that 3 rolls was that bad. ;) > And I bet they had a Top Gun shirt too (sorry you didn't get to ride > that though). I don't remember seeing a Top Gun shirt, though they did have a bunch of Stealth ones. But I wasn't all that bothered by not riding it. I would have liked to, but it's one that I've been on a bunch in the past-enough so that I have the ride nearly memorized, even after all these years. And for all the other rides we got without waits, I'm really not disappointed. > >> It was also while standing here that we looked over to the Pictorium, > > It really didn't look like they cared about it much when I was there > either. I wonder if it's even on the map. That is what really got me. It is still on their maps and marked as one of the attractions. I did find out from someone with some ties into the park that they no longer have a contract for the projection equipment, that it suffers from flooding when it rains, and the interior apparently isn't in very good shape. They said they were sure it's days were numbered and it was just a matter of time until it disappears. > > I happen to dislike the swings now, so if you don't care for them, that's > fine. They're almost as scary as Ferris Wheels. I don't find them scary at all, just not real exciting. >> One of the things that used to be so fun with this was on the upswings >> you'd hit the tree branches from the Willow > > *coughcough* George said "Willow" *cough* Well, at least one person noticed the unnecessary capitalization that I put in there on purpose! :) hehe >> With my last ride done, we got together, took a last look at the >> carousel as we got my son his smashed pennies, > > They had a penny smashing machine?!? Dang it! I must have missed that, > unless if they had unappealing designs and I just forgot about it. The machines are in the shop just to the right of the gates as you're leaving- Inside PGA according to the map. There was 3 or 4 park specific ones and 3 or 4 Sponge Bob ones. > > Oh, side comment, that Borg Invasion 3D/4D attraction in Vegas looks > really nice. Should accent the pre existing stuff exceptionally well. Just reinforces that I REALLY need to get to Vegas since it's obvious I'm missing so much by having never visited. Want to take me with you next time you go? :) > Ryan Snooks who's going up to Yosemite area until about Tuesday, so not > too much posting, OK? Beware. Seems like every time I take a trip is when they start kicking out the 75-100 posts a day! Personally, I think it's a conspiracy. hehe keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 07 10:52:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29013 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 17:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 17:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop015.verizon.net) (206.46.170.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 17:52:28 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030807175228.PYL29447.pop015.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:52:28 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: A newfound love for Arrows? References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:52:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:52:27 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:04:19 -0000, Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, cameron@b... wrote: >> >> > But... one of my main problems with Arrow are their trains. >> >> Oh man .. I agree with that. I try to ride in the front of a car, >> since that the only place I can fit (leg-room). But the restraints >> are pretty bad. >> >> > I'm not that tall, about 6'2 >> >> I'm only about 6 foot .. and I still find them pretty bad. > I guess being short and stumpy like me helps in this situation. must be > why Arrows dont bother me as much as they do some folks. That may be one of the reasons that they don't bother me as much either. Perhaps since I'm 5'8" I fit the restraints better and don't have the problems that some do. keep on ridin' George (no, it's not true that I'm really 4'6"!) -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 07 11:00:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81022 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 18:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 18:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out006.verizon.net) (206.46.170.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 18:00:42 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030807180042.DOJS16647.out006.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:00:42 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Brief TR: Storyland/ Playland References: <20030807085708.6723.h022.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:00:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030807085708.6723.h022.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:00:41 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote: >> We parked at the entrance of Playland, and walked in to look > around first, as admission was free. Playland consists > of several old carnival rides, including a merry-go-round, a lady bug, an > old space ship kiddie ride < > > Isn't this merry-go-round the historic original built by > Arrow, which led to their contract with Disney? I just read > an article about it being completely restored. The Rotary has > taken the unusual step of asking for donations of rides from > manufacturers to increase their number of attractions. To be honest, I really don't know. The one that was there looked to be a portable model put into a permanant spot, two rows accross. I don't remember if it was just horses or a menagerie. Adam may be able to fill in more details though, as I didn't see an information plaque. Would have taken the time to ride it, but we were working on a time and money budget... Sorry Adam. :) I'd be interested in knowing if anyone responded to their request for ride donations though. I guess if someone wanted a nice tax write off, that would work well for them, and they did certainly seem to be taking good care of what's there. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From bethtoons@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 11:09:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76537 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 18:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 18:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.225) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 18:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807180924.8677.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.120] by web12602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:09:24 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TR: Conneaut Lake and Erieview Park 08/03/2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I checked out of my hotel in Pittsburgh shortly after 10 am and headed north to Conneaut Lake. I arrived at the park around noon with the air drizzly and cool, and only a handful of other cars in the lot. I walked in, bought a wristband, and just wandered for a while. The rides were scheduled to open at noon, but with no one in the park yet, they were slow to open, so the park was mostly quiet. I heard the Blue Streak running it's course though, so I kept walking until I found the station. My first ride was in the front seat. It was a nice reasonably calm ride, although it did shuffle quite a bit in the turn around. My second ride was in the back, and was much more air filled on the out run. I rode twice more with Brian and J after they arrived, once in the middle and once near the back. I liked this coaster, I can see why the enthusiast community keeps making halfhearted efforts to preserve and save it, although the ACE blue paint just looks funny. I could see if ACE had been able to hire a legit paint crew to do the rest and let the ACErs paint the bottom, but with just the paint on the bottom, the ride looks a little silly. I had about 10 minutes until I was supposed to meet Brian and J, so I took a spin on the carousel assuming that I'd be done about the time they arrived, forgetting initially that Brian and J with William means that they will be at least somewhat late for anything. I sat inside the carousel building for a while before taking my second spin on the Blue Streak and about twenty after one, I finally spotted them walking down the midway. They stopped to buy wristbands before we headed to the back of the park for the Toboggan torture device. Ok, so it really wasn't that bad, but I'd be content with these if they were just the lift and spiral without any of those obnoxiously wrong bunny hops. We stopped and rode The Ultimate Trip, the enclosed scrambler. I don't consider Dido's music particularly triply, and the radio station commercial run we got to listen to for the second part of the ride didn't quite work with it either. I think they need to trade music with the kid who was running the Blue Streak, as the stuff he was listening to and singing along with, would have fit better. Aside from that, it definitely added to the experience to ride a scrambler in the dark with all the blacklight and strobe effects. We then took a spin in the Devil's Den gravity powered dark ride. I was grateful that the scenes didn't do anything, and decided to go ahead and count it and after riding it solidified that count. *shrug* I can always take it out later if I change my mind. J and I rode the Trabant, which was run relatively slowly, and we made an attempt at the kiddie coaster but were turned away before venturing back to the Carousel. We never were allowed to ride the kiddie coaster. After a spin on the carousel, and several pictures of William on a horse, we headed out to the cars for the lunch Brian and J had packed. After lunch we headed back into the park and took several spins on the flyers. I think we each ended up riding twice. We weren't able to get them to do much, but they were better than the ones at Erieview later that afternoon. It started raining harder (my fault, I put the umbrella back in the car at lunch) so we sought shelter on the train ride. It was a nice trip around and under the mini-golf course, the blue streak and the picnic area. Still seeking shelter, J and I took a spin on the bumper cars. Nothing outstanding, except the ride op who kept yelling about no head-ons when one of the kids would get stuck backwards and run into head on. She actually threatened to remove him from the ride if it happened again after the first two or three times. The rain lightened up and we each got two rides in on the Blue Streak before making a stop at the flyers and heading out of the park around 5 pm. Overall, this was a strange but nice park. With the regular road midways, parts of it just looks like someone ripped a handful of houses out, put up some barriers and put in some rides. We didn't wander to the hotel at all but everything I've seen of it makes it sound quite nice, and Steak on the Lake sounds like it would be comparable to Indiana Beach's Sky Room. They weren't packing in people, but the park was busier than I'd have expected on a rainy Sunday. It would be nice to see some of the closed flat rides operating, but at least three or four were still in pieces. When I'd mentioned my plan to stop at Erieview on the way home, Brian jumped at the chance to pick up another credit that he didn't know was so close to home. This was a short stop, we arrived shortly after 6 and I was back on the road around 7. Geneva, OH is more along the lines of what I'd hoped The Dells would be. It's cutesy kitschy touristy, instead of Ripley's-Believe-It-Or-Not/Wax Museum kitschy touristy. We found parking spots on the main road, crossed the street and walked back to the park. Aside from the marquis on the road, and a few glimpses of rides behind the buildings while driving down the road, it's probably an easy park to miss. It is set up on a small lot of land between the backs of some buildings and the beach. Most of the park has gravel paths between rides, with a few of the rides near cement. There is a small water park with several slides, a half dozen portable kiddie rides, a half dozen portable family rides, a haunted house and a kiddie coaster named The Brat. We each bought 3 tickets, planning to ride the coaster, the flyers and the haunted house. They understaffed, and operators rotate between a couple rides each, so we had to wait a few minutes for someone to come operate the coaster for us. There wasn't a whole lot to it, a lift, a couple bunny hops and the brakes. He ran us around the circuit 5 times. It wasn't as cramped as some kiddie coasters and it wasn't quite as rough. We stood by the haunted house for a bit, but the op told us the mechanics were working on it, so we walked to the flyers. These were colorfully painted up like toucans, but they were run slower than the ones at Conneaut and didn't do much of anything. One more glance at the haunted house and the time and we decided to use the last of our tickets for the tilt-a-whirl. This wasn't in great shape. The padding was falling off most of the seats, and I lucked out and got a car that actually spun. Brian's barely moved. He attempted to talk his way into a reride with J, but the op wouldn't budge. There wasn't a whole lot to this park, but it was nice for a quick stop on the way home. Very much a carnival on the beach setting, but it fit into the kitschy tourist setup along the road. Before leaving Geneva, we stopped at a homemade ice cream stand across the street from the park and had some really good ice cream, and Brian and J grabbed some fresh made donuts from the shop next door. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Aug 07 11:23:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17948 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 18:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 18:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 18:23:08 -0000 Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id h77IN0WX025416 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:23:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Conneaut Lake and Erieview Park 08/03/2003 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030807180924.8677.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Greg Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > We then took a spin in the Devil's Den gravity powered > dark ride. I was grateful that the scenes didn't do > anything, and decided to go ahead and count it and > after riding it solidified that count. *shrug* I can > always take it out later if I change my mind. Welcome to the club. I currently have Devil's Den listed, but the more I think about it the more I'm probably going to remove it. Doing so changes my #200 from SFoG's Superman Ultimate Flight to Georgia Cyclone, but doesn't affect any other milestone (yet -- #250 is approaching...) --Greg "Classic case of rebuilding the airframe while the plane's in flight..." -- Don Brinker From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Aug 07 11:27:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12128 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 18:27:08 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.78.450f9167 (15862) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.132]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df63f3299f74d; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:27:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:27:03 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Trip report: SFNE 8-3-03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56276D83.072F2FE8.0000F0AF@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 24.164.115.67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk In a message dated 8/7/2003 11:47:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jay@karenandjay.com writes: > The second half of the ride, in the past brutally manic, is > now just a lazy, rough trip with a heavy trim near the end. > It's enough to give wood coasters a bad name. *That's* is > supposed to be a great ride?>> HEAVY Trim?? You call this heavy??? I call it more than that - I couldn't believe how hard that hit....worst trim brake.....EVAR!!11! That just baffled me. You're sorta chugging along and then suddely BAM! you're going 2 MPH. That thing sucks. Josh From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Aug 07 11:31:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79715 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 18:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 18:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 18:31:12 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.14b.2285d7c9 (16097) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m20.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.136]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee13f329ae961; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:31:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:31:05 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PGA 7/31/03 part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <34205708.48941B89.0000F0AF@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 24.164.115.67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk In a message dated 8/7/2003 1:49:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, burn.doug@verizon.net writes: > Oh boy was it in 3d! I think that the Sponge Bob show may have had the > best actual 3d effects I've seen in one of these so far, as > there were > several spots where it was really "in your face" If this is the same SpongeBob 3D they have a PKI, I would have to disagree with you. I guess I can admit there were a few good moments, but the PKI movie is blurry, the movement is jerky and un-enjoyable, and I really think I saw better 3D in Pirates "4-D" at BGW when it was there. - it is now at SFWOA, but they never maintain it there so it sucks there, too. Josh From bethtoons@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 11:33:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84050 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12605.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.228) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 18:33:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807183314.39601.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.120] by web12605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:33:14 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Conneaut Lake and Erieview Park 08/03/2003 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons --- Greg Legowski wrote: > Welcome to the club. I currently have Devil's Den > listed, but the more I > think about it the more I'm probably going to remove > it. Doing so changes > my #200 from SFoG's Superman Ultimate Flight to > Georgia Cyclone, but doesn't > affect any other milestone (yet -- #250 is > approaching...) If I count it, I'm current at 175 (the Brat), if not, 175 will be the Sea Dragon at Wyandot on Saturday. I don't have to worry about 200 til the end of the month in Virginia. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 07 11:53:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3382 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out006.verizon.net) (206.46.170.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030807185300.EEJS16647.out006.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:53:00 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PGA 7/31/03 part 2 References: <34205708.48941B89.0000F0AF@aol.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:53:01 -0700 In-Reply-To: <34205708.48941B89.0000F0AF@aol.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:52:59 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:31:05 -0400, wrote: > In a message dated 8/7/2003 1:49:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > burn.doug@verizon.net writes: > >> Oh boy was it in 3d! I think that the Sponge Bob show may have had the >> best actual 3d effects I've seen in one of these so far, as there were >> several spots where it was really "in your face" > > > If this is the same SpongeBob 3D they have a PKI, I would have to > disagree with you. I guess I can admit there were a few good moments, but > the PKI movie is blurry, the movement is jerky and un-enjoyable, and I > really think I saw better 3D in Pirates "4-D" at BGW when it was there. - > it is now at SFWOA, but they never maintain it there so it sucks there, > too. I dunno, were you chasing after a pickle? The one at PGA wasn't blurry at all-very clear, just like color TV except coming out at you. There were a couple of spots where the movement was jerky, but that was actually synchronized with what was happening on the screen as you were bumping and jumping around there, so it wasn't a problem. When it was supposed to be smooth, it was. Normally I don't react to 3d films, but there were at least 4 spots where I jerked my head back (thumping it on the seat in fact), including one right at the begining that really caught me by surprise. Sounds like PKI might have some problems with their projectors being out of focus (hence the blurriness) and maybe you got a bad seat that wasn't moving right. But that's just a guess. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From lance@screamscape.com Thu Aug 07 13:34:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81004 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 20:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 20:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 20:34:25 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h77KYNij065641 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 63694 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 20:34:24 -0000 Received: from 118.103.26.24.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (24.26.103.118) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 20:34:24 -0000 Message-ID: <005801c35d23$415f29a0$76671a18@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <34205708.48941B89.0000F0AF@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PGA 7/31/03 part 2 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:34:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > Oh boy was it in 3d! I think that the Sponge Bob show may have had the > > best actual 3d effects I've seen in one of these so far, as > > there were > > several spots where it was really "in your face" > > If this is the same SpongeBob 3D they have a PKI, I would have to disagree with you. I guess I can admit there were a few good moments, but the PKI movie is blurry, the movement is jerky and un-enjoyable, and I really think I saw better 3D in Pirates "4-D" at BGW when it was there. - it is now at SFWOA, but they never maintain it there so it sucks there, too. 3D Theaters are a funny thing... and the quality of the 3D effect can vary greatly from theater to theater, even when they are using the same film. This is because of the actual layout of the theater, size of the screen, model of projector, distance to the screen from the projector and based on all of this info... there needs to be a specific distance between the two projectors... which can be a major factor that can effect the quality of the 3D image that can't be fixed once the theater is contructed and they suddenly realize that things were not built exactly as they should have been. The best example of this that I know of is the Bugs 4D film at Disney's Animal Kingdom. It always looked blurry to me and like something was just wrong with it, and last year when I went to California Adventure for the first time I saw it again... and felt like I was really seeing it for the first time... crystal clear and I saw things that I had never seen before in WDW. From spartankicker@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 13:39:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spartankicker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39635 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41906.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.157) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 20:39:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807203910.93267.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.252.70] by web41906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:39:10 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Top Thrill Crapster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bryan Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120409146 X-Yahoo-Profile: spartankicker It's funny you mention this. I had a friend who went up there the other day, who found Dragster STALLED on the top of the Top Hat. He wanted to take a picture, but he figured everyone would say "How can you really tell, the ride could be in motion in this picture, you're laying." And he's right, no one would've taken his word for it, especially all the people out there who think they know it all. He went to eat, came back, and the ride wasn't running. -Bryan --- Brian Farral wrote: > This is not meant to be a TR, but will probably end > up reading like > one, albeit with a little bitching and a complete > and utter disbelief > at what I saw going on with Dragster yesterday. > (keep reading, it > gets really good at the end... trust me) > > The reason I went was to meet up with the late, > great MikeSka formerly > of this list. Yes, King > VaginaBouncingUpAndDownOnMyLap himself! He > was with his sister Angie and her BF John, both of > whom I'd also met > at SRM. And Mike was wearing his "Give us ERT now" > ARN+R t-shirt. > > I arrived at 9am yesterday (tues) to take advantage > of my Joe Cool > club membership which allows me into the park 1/2 > hour before the GP. > Gates open to the GP at 9:30. Also allowed in > early are resort > guests. I parked in the Soak City lot and imagine > my surprise when I > saw the line stretch all the way out past Magnum to > where the > Skycoaster is. I soon found out that was for resort > guests and that > season passes had a much shorter line up front. So > I got in the park > at 9:05. Walked past Dragster to see men working on > the track. > Headed to Millie along with everyone else. When I > got there, the line > began before the train tracks! But it was straight > in and they were > opening the queues. Entered the line at 9:10, and > this is 20 minutes > BEFORE the park opens to the GP. The wait... 45 > MINUTES!!! You > better believe I was pissed! This is what I bought > Joe Cool for? > > Right before I rode, Mike called me and told me they > were walking > towards MF. After I rode, I arranged it so I could > go meet Mike, and > then walk back up the exit with him and we'd get a > ride with no wait. > But I'm not telling you how... > > At 10am the line was over 2 hours long. > > A line was also forming for the Freeway stamps. We > rode Iron Dragon > and came back for our stamps. At 10:40, 20 minutes > beofre they start > giving them out, the stamp line was stretched back > to the MF tunnels. > Yet another reason these stamps are wrong. They > blocked traffic and > created confusion to the people walking by who > didn't know what the > line was for. MF packed 2 hour+ lines all day, and > they were giving > out line jumping stamps. But if you can't beat 'em, > join 'em. > However, judging by the length of the line, I > thought that my stamp > would be for a time after I had to leave at 5pm, so > I said I'd head > over to Dragster, assess the situation and they'd > meet me there. > > Only 20 or so people in front of me but the men were > still working on > the track. They were on cherrypickers and were > tightening bolt, and > bringing spools of wire over, etc. Not looking > good. Mike and Co. > found me at about 11:15 and we left to go ride other > things. One of > which was the Paddlewheel Excursion. This is one of > my favorite rides > at the park, and Janice and I ride it almost every > time we come. > Since none of them had ridden it before I built it > up real good. We > grabbed front ro seats and I told the Captain that > we had 3 PWE > virgins with us. Well, Captain A (to protect her > identity) was > apparently a crowd favorite cuz she was talking with > some of the > families who had already ridden with her 3 times > that day. She was > one of the best PWE captains I've ever seen as well. > So as we steamed > out she said "should I tell the Dragster jokes this > time? Will anyone > here report me to management?" Of course we all > said no and she > managed to work many jokes into the cruise. > Including calling it "Top > Thrill Crapster." I was glad to see that Mike and > Co. really enjoyed > their PWE trip. > > Now it was about 3pm and we checked back in on > Dragster. Still men > working on cherrypickers. They were holding up 15 > inch or so long > sections of metal pipe, maybe 1 inch in diameter, > and moving it around > the inside of the track structure, in between all > the machinery for > the brakes. Weird. Many of the people who were > there at 11 were > still there... We asked a ride op is it worth > waiting for. She said > "We had people wait there all day yesterday and it > never opened. Go > ride other stuff." We did. > > Here's where it gets funny... > > A little after 4pm it was time for me to leave. > Mike walked back to > Dragster with me to see me off and check out the > situation for > himself. Angie and John had split from us earlier. > Now the men were > drilling holes in the track structure! Yup... they > had drills and > were drilling holes into the horizontal support > beams that are in the > center of the box track. We were puzzled... what > are they doing? We > then saw the man screw some sort of clamp into the > hole he had just > drilled. Looking at the bigger picture we saw what > they were doing. > Remember that pipe? Well there were 2 sections, > about 10ft long each, > made up of these pipes, that were already attached > to the track > structure. One end was capped off and the other > bent down 90 degrees > with some sort of nozzle attatchment. Like what > you'd attatch a > rubber gas line to. So they were drilling into the > track and > attaching sections of pipe... For what purpose, I > don't know. > > Once I figured out what they were doing, I had to > laugh. This is the > last straw... this proves what a piece of $#!T > Dragster really is. > They were Jerryrigging the coaster!!! How can I > prove it? Well I > can't, but nowhere else along the ride were there > any pipes like > these. And they were drilling holes into the solid > structure. What > more do you need to know? I have no idea what kind > of band-aid > solution this is, or what function this rigging will > serve, but it's > funny as hell. > > And funnier still were the same people still camped > out at the > entrance. Couldn't they see the extent of the work > being done and > realise that it was not going to open any time soon? > > > Well, I left then. Later that night, around 11pm, > Mike called me to > tell me what happened to them later that evening. > Dragster began > testing, so they ran over to join the line. Groups > of mechanics were > test riding. Groups of ride ops and sweeper crews > were test riding. > He said the trains rolled back numerous times from > the top of the > hill. After an hour and a half of this, an > announcement was made that > the ride would be closed for the rest of the night. > > Based on the crowds I saw Saturday with Janice, and > Tues with Mike, I > don't think I'll be heading out there any more in > the month of August. > However, my sister may come out for Labor Day > weekend, in which case > I'll take her and tolerate the lines because it's > the only time she > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From spartankicker@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 13:53:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spartankicker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62534 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 20:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 20:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41906.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.157) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 20:53:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807205352.99942.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.252.161] by web41906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 13:53:52 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Conneaut Lake and Erieview Park 08/03/2003 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030807180924.8677.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bryan Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120409146 X-Yahoo-Profile: spartankicker > We stopped and rode The Ultimate Trip, the enclosed > scrambler. I don't consider Dido's music > particularly > triply, and the radio station commercial run we got > to > listen to for the second part of the ride didn't > quite > work with it either. I think they need to trade > music > with the kid who was running the Blue Streak, as the > stuff he was listening to and singing along with, > would have fit better. Aside from that, it > definitely > added to the experience to ride a scrambler in the > dark with all the blacklight and strobe effects. That's funny, I had commercials running during my cyle when I rode it on July 26th. It was an anti-smoking commercial, which I found funny, because I saw tons of people smoking and plenty of pools of spit-out chew at the park. It is a very cool scrambler ride. I do remember the Blue Streak ride-op playing Powerman 5000 and Linkin Park, which would defintitely suit Ultimate Trip and the aura they try to give it. -Bryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From spartankicker@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 14:00:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spartankicker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8267 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 21:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 21:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41906.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.157) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 21:00:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20030807210020.3213.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.252.70] by web41906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:00:20 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hersheypark Media Event Recap To: RCTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bryan Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120409146 X-Yahoo-Profile: spartankicker I had a really amazing time at Hersheypark's media event on Tuesday, they even let me ride some rides after the event was over! The front office people in the park truely care about the place and how it's run. You can check out my recap with some photos, my following this link: http://www.thrillnetwork.com/index.php?page=article&sid=1087&mode=thread&order=0 -Bryan (Bring on the Flying Snake Dive!) Wood __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Aug 07 15:02:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62238 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 22:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 22:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 22:02:51 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1df.ea30c92 (3310) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1df.ea30c92.2c642679@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:02:33 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: PGA 7/31/03 part 2 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/2003 2:56:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, burn.doug@verizon.net writes: > I dunno, were you chasing after a pickle? > Yes, Pickle Chasing....lol > The one at PGA wasn't blurry at all-very clear, just like color TV except > coming out at you. There were a couple of spots where the movement was > jerky, but that was actually synchronized with what was happening on the > screen as you were bumping and jumping around there, so it wasn't a > problem. When it was supposed to be smooth, it was. > > hrmm...PKI's seemed like it was never smooth. I don't know though, isn't that theatre and those seats getting somewhat old? > > Normally I don't react to 3d films, but there were at least 4 spots where I > jerked my head back (thumping it on the seat in fact), including one right > at the begining that really caught me by surprise. Sounds like PKI might > have some problems with their projectors being out of focus (hence the > blurriness) and maybe you got a bad seat that wasn't moving right. But > that's just a guess. Well I was there with 7 or 8 people, so we all had different seats/pods and each one of us said it was pretty weird. I didn't hate it, it just definitely wasn't up to par with other ones I've seen. hopefully they've fixed that. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 07 16:36:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53829 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2003 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out002.verizon.net) (206.46.170.141) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 23:36:02 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030807233601.WKYW18222.out002.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:36:01 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Top Thrill Crapster References: <20030807203910.93267.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:36:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030807203910.93267.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:36:01 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Wood wrote: > It's funny you mention this. I had a friend who went > up there the other day, who found Dragster STALLED on > the top of the Top Hat. He wanted to take a picture, > but he figured everyone would say "How can you really > tell, the ride could be in motion in this picture, > you're laying." And he's right, no one would've taken > his word for it, especially all the people out there > who think they know it all. He went to eat, came back, > and the ride wasn't running. > Not to be mean, but I think we're far more likely to say that because he didn't take a picture. At least if he had taken one he would have some evidence to back up his statement. As it is, for the ride to stall there it would be a one in a million chance, if that, for it to actually shoot at the exact right speed that it would end up balancing perfectly with the weight evenly distributed that it would actually stop there. The slightest fraction off, and it rolls down one side or the other. It would be easy enough to tell-take a short series of pictures showing it up there, or waiting until they do whatever they had to get it down, then taking a picture of that. But because there's no evidence, it only leaves me very skeptical. keep on ridin' George (who still needs one fantasy football coach) -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From evvdave@yahoo.com Thu Aug 07 17:04:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: evvdave@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2667 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 00:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 00:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 00:04:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.177] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 00:04:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:04:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Top Thrill Crapster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1272 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Dave" X-Originating-IP: 216.37.245.217 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91710644 X-Yahoo-Profile: evvdave --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Farral" wrote: > Remember that pipe? Well there were 2 sections, about 10ft long each, > made up of these pipes, that were already attached to the track > structure. One end was capped off and the other bent down 90 degrees > with some sort of nozzle attatchment. Like what you'd attatch a > rubber gas line to. So they were drilling into the track and > attaching sections of pipe... For what purpose, I don't know. In the Cedar Fair conference call on Wednesday, Dick Kinzel briefly went over some of the challenges they've faced with Dragster. Basically, he said that once they fix one issue and run for a while, another one comes up. But it does sound like they're making progress, coming up with real solutions to new problems as they come up. Anyway, one of the issues he described was that the catch-wagon (or whatever you'd call the "pusher" that, well, pushes the train up to speed) was overheating with extended use, and they were installing a system to cool it (and its track) off... Apparently this work was being done Monday and Tuesday, and the ride was back in operation Wednesday. It sounds like what you observed was the installation of this system. -Davey J From xblack7x@aol.com Thu Aug 07 17:11:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87709 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 00:11:37 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.28.3bf1ac16 (4238) for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28.3bf1ac16.2c6444b1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:11:29 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Conneaut Lake and Erieview Park 08/03/2003 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great report. It is a shame you didn't get the chance to ride the Haunted House at Erieview, it was recently redone and is a very cool classic ride. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 07 20:17:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7613 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 03:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 03:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 03:17:20 -0000 Received: (cpmta 14997 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2003 20:17:19 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.123 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.134) with SMTP; 7 Aug 2003 20:17:19 -0700 X-Sent: 8 Aug 2003 03:17:19 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.101] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Top Thrill Crapster X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030807201719.16870.h009.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I had a friend who went up there the other day, who found Dragster STALLED on the top of the Top Hat. < A friend of mine came up with an interesting idea. Instead of parks spending tens of millions of dollars on rides that don't work as they should, they could do this instead: gather up all the scrap from discarded rides and pile it in the middle of the midway. Then get several engineers to come into the park and each must build a brand new ride out of the scraps. The one who come up with the best ride design gets a free cheese-on-a-stick. The park could make a TV show out of it and even charge guests and extra fee to watch. Jay From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 08 06:40:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44055 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 13:40:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.148] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 13:40:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:40:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Top Thrill Crapster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030807203910.93267.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Wood wrote: > It's funny you mention this. I had a friend who went > up there the other day, who found Dragster STALLED on > the top of the Top Hat. He wanted to take a picture, > but he figured everyone would say "How can you really > tell, the ride could be in motion in this picture, > you're laying." And he's right, no one would've taken > his word for it, especially all the people out there > who think they know it all. He went to eat, came back, > and the ride wasn't running. ok, being stuck on top of a 400 foot tophat would probably traumatize me off coasters for a while. like someone here mentioned a while ago, moving at a fast rate of speed way up high off the ground is vastly different than being suspended non-moving up in the air. its one of the reasons i cant do drop towers(though somehow my friends talked me into Arachnophobia at SFOG). From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 08 06:46:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53657 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 13:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 13:46:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 13:46:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 13:46:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:46:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Top Thrill Crapster Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030807201719.16870.h009.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1098 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, jay@k... wrote: > > I had a friend who went up there the other day, who found > Dragster STALLED on the top of the Top Hat. < > > A friend of mine came up with an interesting idea. Instead of > parks spending tens of millions of dollars on rides that don't > work as they should, they could do this instead: gather up > all the scrap from discarded rides and pile it in the middle > of the midway. Then get several engineers to come into the > park and each must build a brand new ride out of the scraps. > The one who come up with the best ride design gets a free > cheese-on-a-stick. The park could make a TV show out of it > and even charge guests and extra fee to watch. > > Jay so sort of a reality show, huh? i like it!! "Who Wants To Be A Coaster Designer" or "Coaster Survivor". god help the poor engineer that has to get a Arrow track to fit against a Togo track. a Frankencoaster it would be indeed. is there a database anywhere that states what rides are currently in storage anywhere? god, what a freakish machine that would be... From rumors@absolutelyreliable.com Fri Aug 08 07:09:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rumors@absolutelyreliable.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18048 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 14:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 14:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO meson.liquidweb.com) (64.91.233.95) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 14:09:04 -0000 Received: from wc.com ([66.95.69.30] helo=WCHILDS) by meson.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l7pf-00026f-1v for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c35db6$9f372c10$a90c10ac@wc.com> To: Subject: HP on Sunday Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:09:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - meson.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - absolutelyreliable.com From: "ARN&R" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131811069 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be at Hershey Park this Sunday. If anyone's going to be there, let me know. Also, it looks like pre-purchasing tickets at a Giant in the area is the best discount. Any other tips on discounts? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 09:06:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67375 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 16:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 16:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 16:06:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 16:06:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:06:16 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Our First Trip to LA's Parks]/Arrow Mice (Double Reply!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F30F1DC.5070101@brookes.ac.uk> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 768 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Andy Straw wrote: > Xcoaster@j... wrote: > > SNIP < > > The only problems I have with it is that it's loud and > > that it has low capacity. You could probably hit this park on your second > > day at Knott's, maybe while leaving the park midday for lunch or > > something. As long as you didn't dawdle or somehow get lost, I doubt it > > would take longer than 2 hours to leave KBF, go to Adv. City, and get > > back. If you tried hard, you could probably do it faster. > > Getting lost may be a problem... :O) Andy, It is literally down the street. Literally, a straight shot. Go out the main gate. Turn right, going south for not quite 2 miles. It's on your left (the east side of Beach Blvd). -Alan From burn.doug@verizon.net Fri Aug 08 09:56:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81402 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 16:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 16:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop018.verizon.net) (206.46.170.212) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 16:56:32 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030808165632.MOWD11703.pop018.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:56:32 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Our First Trip to LA's Parks]/Arrow Mice (Double Reply!) References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:56:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:56:30 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:06:16 -0000, Alan wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Andy Straw > wrote: >> Xcoaster@j... wrote: >> >> SNIP < >> > The only problems I have with it is that it's loud and >> > that it has low capacity. You could probably hit this park on > your second >> > day at Knott's, maybe while leaving the park midday for lunch or >> > something. As long as you didn't dawdle or somehow get lost, I > doubt it >> > would take longer than 2 hours to leave KBF, go to Adv. City, and > get >> > back. If you tried hard, you could probably do it faster. >> >> Getting lost may be a problem... :O) > > Andy, > It is literally down the street. Literally, a straight shot. > Go out the main gate. Turn right, going south for not quite 2 miles. It's > on your left (the east side of Beach Blvd). Oh, and it won't take you two hours either unless you really work the multiple rides on the coasters. I took 3 rides on Treetop racers and 2 rides of 4 circuits each on the Freeway coaster, along with a little wandering and other playing and still left 45 minutes after I arrived. And with it being 5-10 minutes from Knott's, you're looking at around an hour or so Nice park for kids to. :) keep on ridin George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From spartankicker@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 10:38:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spartankicker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91752 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 17:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 17:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41903.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.154) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 17:38:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20030808173825.39637.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.168.180.244] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:38:25 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Top Thrill Crapster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bryan Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120409146 X-Yahoo-Profile: spartankicker Just to clear this all up, I asked him to describe the story to me again, because I became skeptical as well. His story changed, he said he went to the bathroom (he said he went to eat before), then came back to find the ride not on top. It's obvious now that this was made-up. -Bryan (Hey, look! Gullible is written on the ceiling!) Wood --- George Burnash wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Wood > wrote: > > > It's funny you mention this. I had a friend who > went > > up there the other day, who found Dragster STALLED > on > > the top of the Top Hat. He wanted to take a > picture, > > but he figured everyone would say "How can you > really > > tell, the ride could be in motion in this picture, > > you're laying." And he's right, no one would've > taken > > his word for it, especially all the people out > there > > who think they know it all. He went to eat, came > back, > > and the ride wasn't running. > > > > Not to be mean, but I think we're far more likely to > say that because he > didn't take a picture. At least if he had taken one > he would have some > evidence to back up his statement. As it is, for > the ride to stall there > it would be a one in a million chance, if that, for > it to actually shoot at > the exact right speed that it would end up balancing > perfectly with the > weight evenly distributed that it would actually > stop there. The slightest > fraction off, and it rolls down one side or the > other. > > It would be easy enough to tell-take a short series > of pictures showing it > up there, or waiting until they do whatever they had > to get it down, then > taking a picture of that. But because there's no > evidence, it only leaves > me very skeptical. > > keep on ridin' > George > (who still needs one fantasy football coach) > > -- > Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life > with God is one thrill > ride you won't want to get off of. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 08 11:17:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40378 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 18:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 18:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 18:17:16 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1c8.da310a6 (1320) for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c8.da310a6.2c65431d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:17:01 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Top Thrill Crapster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/2003 9:42:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, doug_nelson@tufts-health.com writes: > ok, being stuck on top of a 400 foot tophat would probably traumatize > me off coasters for a while. like someone here mentioned a while ago, > moving at a fast rate of speed way up high off the ground is vastly > different than being suspended non-moving up in the air Wel, first of all, it HAS happened before...it was NOT full. That's theoretically impossible. The weight in the trains would have to be perfectly balanced and no one would be able to move or it would go over one way or the other. Don't count on ever being stuck up there with people in the train. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From edi_meister@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 13:00:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99926 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 20:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 20:00:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 20:00:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 20:00:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:00:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: QUESTION: Lineups at Cedar Point Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 151 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 24.141.64.102 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister What is to be expected on a Monday? Namely next Monday. Okay, so TTD may be down - I expect that. What is normal for MF, Raptor, Mantis, etc. Andrew From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Fri Aug 08 13:45:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41179 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 20:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 20:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 20:45:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 20:45:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:45:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Best Fairs... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030807022534.78693.qmail@web40008.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 295 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Adam, Thanks for the links! There were many that I did not have. FYI - to all who are looking for many more links like Adam had provided, you can go to the "Links" section of the Group site. They are listed under "Traveling Shows & Fairs". -Alan (Who get to have RCS in Phoenix every year!) From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 08 16:03:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67968 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 23:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2003 23:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 23:03:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2003 23:03:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:02:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: Another No Limits track Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 387 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jay_ducharme" X-Originating-IP: 140.186.103.92 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I've posted another coaster I created with No Limits. This one's a single-track racing coaster (like Kennywood's Racer). I wanted to make it Bill Cobb style, so that each side is an entirely different experience. One side is an out-and-back, the other is a twister. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/files/No%20Limits/ < The name of the track is "Behemoth." Jay From IOASpiderman@addrealm.com Fri Aug 08 20:14:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@addrealm.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21473 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 03:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 03:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rly-ip05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.9) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 03:14:47 -0000 Received: from logs-mtc-te.proxy.aol.com (logs-mtc-te.proxy.aol.com [64.12.103.135]) by rly-ip05.mx.aol.com (v90_r2.6) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-0808231344; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:13:44 -0400 Received: from mikescomputer (ACA8CC26.ipt.aol.com [172.168.204.38]) by logs-mtc-te.proxy.aol.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h793Al9u191145 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 03:10:48 GMT Message-ID: <000b01c35e23$d287b040$26cca8ac@mikescomputer> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Top Thrill Crapster Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:10:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Apparently-From: IOASpiderman@aol.com From: "Mike" Reply-To: "Mike" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129739118 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > > A friend of mine came up with an interesting idea. Instead of > > parks spending tens of millions of dollars on rides that don't > > work as they should, they could do this instead: gather up > > all the scrap from discarded rides and pile it in the middle > > of the midway. Then get several engineers to come into the > > park and each must build a brand new ride out of the scraps. > > The one who come up with the best ride design gets a free > > cheese-on-a-stick. The park could make a TV show out of it > > and even charge guests and extra fee to watch. > > > > Jay > > so sort of a reality show, huh? i like it!! "Who Wants To Be A > Coaster Designer" or "Coaster Survivor". god help the poor engineer > that has to get a Arrow track to fit against a Togo track. a > Frankencoaster it would be indeed. is there a database anywhere that > states what rides are currently in storage anywhere? god, what a > freakish machine that would be... Junkyard Wars is more like it :-) Thats a cool concept though... and on the bright side, it would probably work more than TTD ;-) Mike IOASpiderman@addrealm.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Fri Aug 08 22:21:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 376 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 05:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 05:21:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 05:21:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 10592 invoked by uid 99); 9 Aug 2003 04:43:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030809044310.10591.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 8 Aug 2003 23:43:10 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: Lineups at Cedar Point X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 150.210.226.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 When I was at the park on a Monday and Tuesday in mid June, the wait for MF was anywhere from 1.5 to 2 hours depending on time of day. The lines for the other coasters were much shorter (15 to 45 minutes) depending on time of day--shorter toward closing. The longest line when I was there (other than for MF) was for Gemini which ran about 30-45 minutes for the 5 times that I rode it. > What is to be expected on a Monday? Namely next Monday. > > Okay, so TTD may be down - I expect that. What is normal for MF, > Raptor, Mantis, etc. > > Andrew Dave Rounds From Hardcorebandgeek@aol.com Sat Aug 09 06:34:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Hardcorebandgeek@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68288 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 13:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 13:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 13:34:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2003 13:34:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:34:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: QUESTION: Lineups at Cedar Point Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1008 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "brown_eyed_music_luver" X-Originating-IP: 68.81.48.101 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91024380 X-Yahoo-Profile: brown_eyed_music_luver I was just there this week on a Tuesday and Wednesday. Mantis and MF were about an hour and a half waits. Depending on when you get to the park Raptor might be that long as well. Also TTD was working all day Wed. and Thurs. Since they got this back up compressor thing they haven't had a problem with it. But if you see them testing it and 4 cars complete the ride they'll probably open it. Also if you go with someone else you can have them wait in TTD line while you do other stuff. and check back with them. Usually if they make an annoucement that it might be closed for a while a lot of people leave the line and your that much closer so when it does open you don't have to wait as long. I'll be posting my TR hopefully sometime today. Nicole --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew BK" wrote: > What is to be expected on a Monday? Namely next Monday. > > Okay, so TTD may be down - I expect that. What is normal for MF, > Raptor, Mantis, etc. > > Andrew From spartankicker@yahoo.com Sat Aug 09 11:33:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spartankicker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96717 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 18:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2003 18:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41904.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.155) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 18:33:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030809183334.70531.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.252.71] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:33:34 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RCTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bryan Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120409146 X-Yahoo-Profile: spartankicker Hey everyone, I know someone (and I bet some of you know this guy too) who has recently talked about bringing a new amusement park magazine out soon. He is very serious about this project, and he needs EVERYONE's help in filling out a survey. He needs to get a measurement on the interest in something like this. He is close to submitting this idea to some big publishing companies. His main idea is to make a magazine that is reader-friendly, interesting, inexpensive and one available to everyone, not just members of a club. To take this survey, go to www.advancedsurvey.com, and enter "6902" into the "Take A Survey" box on the right side to take this survey. It's 32 questions, most of them are multiple choice, and are just asking for your honest opinion. Please send this along to your friends. Look to see a link to this survey on every major coaster internet site soon, this project is very promising. -Bryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sat Aug 09 19:23:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62531 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 02:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 02:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 02:23:40 -0000 Received: (cpmta 27235 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 19:23:40 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.117 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.114) with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 19:23:40 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Aug 2003 02:23:40 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.104] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: HP on Sunday X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030809192340.26913.h003.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Also, it looks like pre-purchasing tickets at a Giant in the > area is the best discount. Any other tips on discounts? < Sunoco gas stations have them too, as do Turkey Hill stores. If you have the time, get the pass for Dutch Wonderland and spend the twenty minutes driving to Lancaster. It's a cute little park, and Sky Princess (CCI's first coaster) is pretty good. Have a great time! Hershey is one of our favorite parks, and Lightning Racer is incredible. Jay From lance@screamscape.com Sat Aug 09 20:50:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7598 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 03:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 03:50:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 03:50:09 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7A3o6Da062814 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 28421 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 03:50:08 -0000 Received: from 241.103.26.24.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (24.26.103.241) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 03:50:08 -0000 Message-ID: <00c601c35ef2$73329fe0$f1671a18@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20030809183334.70531.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:49:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Should I assume that posting a link to this survey from Screamscape would be acceptable to "this guy" thinking of making his own magazine? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Wood" To: "RCTalk" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey > Hey everyone, > > I know someone (and I bet some of you know this guy > too) who has recently talked about bringing a new > amusement park magazine out soon. He is very serious > about this project, and he needs EVERYONE's help in > filling out a survey. He needs to get a measurement on > the interest in something like this. He is close to > submitting this idea to some big publishing companies. > His main idea is to make a magazine that is > reader-friendly, interesting, inexpensive and one > available to everyone, not just members of a club. To > take this survey, go to www.advancedsurvey.com, and > enter "6902" into the "Take A Survey" box on the right > side to take this survey. It's 32 questions, most of > them are multiple choice, and are just asking for your > honest opinion. Please send this along to your > friends. Look to see a link to this survey on every > major coaster internet site soon, this project is very > promising. > > -Bryan > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sat Aug 09 21:10:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95790 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 04:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 04:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 04:10:45 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.199.1e3c6095 (3866) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199.1e3c6095.2c671fba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:10:34 EDT Subject: Realising my SUF anger To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It doesn't feel like flying, It always breaks down. it's uncomfortable an it's slow, short and it constantly breaks down. I got stuck on it. It breaksdown. all the time constently. Your lucky if you get to wait in line. thanks for readinf -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=Dainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sat Aug 09 21:13:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78391 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 04:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 04:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 04:13:27 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1e3.ebfb6e6 (3866) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e3.ebfb6e6.2c672064@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:13:24 EDT Subject: Fwd: Realising my SUF anger To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=Dainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From burn.doug@verizon.net Sat Aug 09 21:36:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77188 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 04:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 04:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001.verizon.net) (206.46.170.140) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 04:36:38 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030810043637.GDLH12592.out001.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:36:37 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey References: <20030809183334.70531.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <00c601c35ef2$73329fe0$f1671a18@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:36:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: <00c601c35ef2$73329fe0$f1671a18@cfl.rr.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:36:37 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:49:49 -0400, Lance Hart wrote: > Should I assume that posting a link to this survey from Screamscape would > be acceptable to "this guy" thinking of making his own magazine? > I would imagine so. I posted up the information on Westcoaster's forums, so it's there already at the least. I'm curious as to how many sites will actually post the information, but if half of what I saw in the survey actually makes it into the magazine, and the magazine actually gets a publisher, I'll definitly be subscribing. keep on ridin' George (who wonders if he knows "this guy" or not) -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From lance@screamscape.com Sun Aug 10 00:05:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5476 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 07:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 07:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 07:05:57 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7A75sKH002563 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 20885 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 07:05:56 -0000 Received: from 241.103.26.24.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (24.26.103.241) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 07:05:56 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c35f0d$ccdf36a0$f1671a18@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20030809183334.70531.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <00c601c35ef2$73329fe0$f1671a18@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:05:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Burnash" > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:49:49 -0400, Lance Hart > wrote: > > > Should I assume that posting a link to this survey from Screamscape would > > be acceptable to "this guy" thinking of making his own magazine? > > > > I would imagine so. I posted up the information on Westcoaster's forums, > so it's there already at the least. I'm curious as to how many sites will > actually post the information, but if half of what I saw in the survey > actually makes it into the magazine, and the magazine actually gets a > publisher, I'll definitly be subscribing. Hell... I'm wondering if they're going to be hiring writers... I'm game. From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Aug 10 08:22:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 686 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 15:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 15:22:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 15:22:16 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.186.1db8afb7 (14374) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <186.1db8afb7.2c67bd22@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:22:10 EDT Subject: Fwd: Realising my SUF anger To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/10/2003 12:10:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, CoasterDainan writes: > It doesn't feel like flying, It always breaks down. it's uncomfortable an > it's slow, short and it constantly breaks down. I got stuck on it. It > breaksdown. all the time constently. Your lucky if you get to wait in line. thanks > for reading > -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=Dainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gregleg@gregleg.com Sun Aug 10 08:58:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53214 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 15:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 15:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 15:58:14 -0000 Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id h7AFwC2W022537 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:58:12 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003d01c35f0d$ccdf36a0$f1671a18@cfl.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Greg Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 "George Burnash" wrote: > Hell... I'm wondering if they're going to be hiring writers... > I'm game. I had the same thought, actually. --Greg From gregleg@gregleg.com Sun Aug 10 08:59:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23710 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 15:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 15:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 15:59:20 -0000 Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id h7AFxJ2W023176 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:59:19 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:58:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Greg Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Whoops, always check attributions... Lance wrote the bit I quoted, not George. --Greg "Classic case of rebuilding the airframe while the plane's in flight..." -- Don Brinker > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Legowski [mailto:gregleg@gregleg.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:58 AM > To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important > survey > > > "George Burnash" wrote: > > Hell... I'm wondering if they're going to be hiring writers... > > I'm game. > > I had the same thought, actually. > > --Greg > From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Aug 10 09:14:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26467 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 16:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 16:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 16:14:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 27698 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Aug 2003 16:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20030810161408.27697.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Realising my SUF anger To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:14:08 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199.1e3c6095.2c671fba@aol.com> from "CoasterDainan@aol.com" at Aug 10, 2003 12:10:34 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > It doesn't feel like flying Well, have you ever flown?! You think I'm kidding .. but I'm talking about planes .. You're strapped into an uncomfortable seat, it's long, slow, dull, full of delays, and really boring. So it sounds like Superman Ultimate Flight is exactly like flying! ;-) > It always breaks down. This puzzles me ... The coaster at Six Flags Great America (and I believe the one in Georgia too) runs really well. Far better than Vertical Velocity and Deja Vu. > it's uncomfortable an it's slow, short Well, that's really just a personal opinion. While I fell it could be a tad more exciting, the public seems to be eating it up! If you dislike the ride so much, then simply skip it and ride the ones you like. Six Flags Great Adventure is hardly lacking in coasters ;-) Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Carp! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I still can't typo.. * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From spartankicker@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 10:36:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: spartankicker@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16220 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 17:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 17:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41904.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.155) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 17:36:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030810173635.88154.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.252.65] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:36:35 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00c601c35ef2$73329fe0$f1671a18@cfl.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bryan Wood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=120409146 X-Yahoo-Profile: spartankicker --- Lance Hart wrote: > Should I assume that posting a link to this survey > from Screamscape would > be acceptable to "this guy" thinking of making his > own magazine? > I'd be surprised if he hasn't already e-mailed you asking you to post a link to help out. I'd say yes, because he can take as much help as he can get. He asked me to post it on this list since he is not part of it. -Bryan (Just happy to spread the word) Wood __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Aug 10 15:11:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50146 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 22:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 22:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 22:11:40 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.c8.3c1b9988 (4592) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:11:31 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Realising my SUF anger To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well. Iv'e been on a plane and it doesn't bother me. Iv'e been on Dare Devil Dive and that feels like flying to me. And yes I was refering to the one at SFGAv. -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=Dainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coastersbysteve@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 15:14:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastersbysteve@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47124 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 22:14:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2003 22:14:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:14:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Blue Streak Challenge call for pledges Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1448 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Steve" X-Originating-IP: 12.226.158.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=100034830 X-Yahoo-Profile: coastersbysteve Hello all, this is a call for pledges for the 3rd. Annual Blue Streak Challenge. I know that most of you do not recognize (or know) me from my lack of posting at this forum, although I do read most of the posts online. My wife, Lisa Corbly will be riding the Conneaut Lake Blue Streak roller coaster for twelve straight hours in order to raise money for it's upkeep. She will sincerely appreciate any and all pledges. All donated money will go directly into a special fund set up for maintenance of the coaster. Simply e-mail her at: coasterbooks@comcast.net with your pledge amount & your mailing address, and She will send you a SASE in which to mail your check. Also, this year coastersbysteve is making up t-shirts for the participants & will have extras available for sale. We'll be putting the names of all of her sponsors into a drawing for a shirt, 1 entry/$5 pledged. Last year we raised $8,000 for the on-going maintenance of the Blue Streak. Hopefully, with the number of riders almost doubled, this amount will almost double also. We may also have the video "Greetings From Conneaut Lake Park" available for purchase during the event. Remember, all proceeds from the Challenge benefit the Blue Streak and all proceeds from the video benefit Conneaut Lake Park. Please pledge/donate generously. For more information, please visit the Challenge website at: http://home.neo.rr.com/city/ THANKS!!! From coastersbysteve@yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 15:19:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastersbysteve@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62038 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 22:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 22:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.89) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 22:19:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2003 22:19:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:19:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Blue Streak Challenge call for pledges Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 193 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Steve" X-Originating-IP: 12.226.158.98 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=100034830 X-Yahoo-Profile: coastersbysteve Forgot to mention that there may be a small competition among two riders at URC and 2 riders at RRC. Is anyone from this group riding? That may make way for even more of a competition... From burn.doug@verizon.net Sun Aug 10 16:25:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67465 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 23:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2003 23:25:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop015.verizon.net) (206.46.170.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 23:25:28 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030810232527.EGLB29447.pop015.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:25:27 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:25:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:25:26 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:57:44 -0400, Greg Legowski wrote: > "George Burnash" wrote: >> Hell... I'm wondering if they're going to be hiring writers... >> I'm game. > > I had the same thought, actually. Well, as Greg pointed out, that first line was actually from Lance, not me. But even so, I'm also wondering. Would be a great way for me to release some of those "frustrate writer" problems I have and end up unloading into my way-to-long trip reports. :) So, anyone have any "inside" information on that area, or what their plans are, or if they've even thought about that yet. I'm sure they're going to end up with a ton of people wanting to write for them also, and will have to filter most out. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From xblack7x@aol.com Sun Aug 10 18:39:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21139 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 01:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 01:39:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 01:39:28 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.f8.2f5d3081 (3972) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:39:16 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/10/2003 11:59:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gregleg@gregleg.com writes: > >Hell... I'm wondering if they're going to be hiring writers... > >I'm game. > > I had the same thought, actually. > > --Greg > Me too, as well as photographers. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From StratBigShot@aol.com Sun Aug 10 19:09:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75555 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 02:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 02:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 02:09:07 -0000 Received: from StratBigShot@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.140.16fd8cd0 (4262) for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <140.16fd8cd0.2c6854bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:09:03 EDT Subject: New Hershey Park Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122428876 X-Yahoo-Profile: xceleratorknotts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found this headliner on=20 http://www.rollercoasterworl= d.com/ If you ask me I think the message is a little wrong =20=20=20=20 It's Official !!!= =A0 Hersheypark Announces World's First Launched Coaster with=20 Inversions!=20=20 180 foot Intamin Rocket Coaster to debut at Hersheypark in 2004.=A0 We've g= ot=20 the details and videos of the ride and Press Conference.=A0=A0 Updated 8/5/2003 2:36pm=20 =20=20=20=20 If you ask me I think it should say: It's Official !!! Hersheypark Announces World's First Hydraulically Launche= d=20 Coaster with Inversions. I may remember such coasters are Poltergeist and a whole array of many many= =20 other shuttle coasters which have all had inversions. Hmmmmm. Just an observation John (Stratosphere Tower - You Can't Top This) (Project X Sky =3D X Scream) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Mon Aug 11 05:07:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13239 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2003 12:07:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:07:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realising my SUF anger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199.1e3c6095.2c671fba@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 637 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, CoasterDainan@a... wrote: > It doesn't feel like flying, It always breaks down. it's uncomfortable an > it's slow, short and it constantly breaks down. I got stuck on it. It breaksdown. > all the time constently. Your lucky if you get to wait in line. thanks for > readinf > > -Dainan times ive seen the one at SFOG, its been running pretty consistently. it does suck to get stuck on it though, seeing as you will probably end up hanging facing down, which is not very comfortable. like being strapped into an electric chair. facing down just adds insult to injury in that case. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 05:19:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71903 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 12:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 12:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 12:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2003 12:19:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:19:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030809183334.70531.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 257 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 68.52.227.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I guess the question is, why does this person feel that if Inside Track could not make enough money to stay afloat, At-the-Park could not make enough money and Amusement Today seems to have this market cornered, why could this publication survive? Adam From acstraw@brookes.ac.uk Mon Aug 11 05:26:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: acstraw@brookes.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81805 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 12:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 12:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO brookes.ac.uk) (161.73.1.10) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 12:26:21 -0000 Received: from brookes.ac.uk (ez156b60.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.140.220]) by brookes.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7BCQK2L021813 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:26:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3F378B6B.8070901@brookes.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:26:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Our First Trip to LA's Parks]/Arrow Mice References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andy Straw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10094179 X-Yahoo-Profile: fl0rist Alan wrote: > Andy, > It is literally down the street. Literally, a straight shot. > Go out the main gate. Turn right, going south for not quite 2 miles. > It's on your left (the east side of Beach Blvd). Thanks.. even I shouldn't be able to get lost on that trip. Andy -- Andy Straw acstraw@brookes.ac.uk (01865) 48-3321. Operations Analyst, Operations, Computer Services. Brookes University --------------------------------------------------------------------- These statements are my own, not those of Brookes University From acstraw@brookes.ac.uk Mon Aug 11 05:28:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: acstraw@brookes.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88939 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 12:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 12:28:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO brookes.ac.uk) (161.73.1.10) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 12:28:16 -0000 Received: from brookes.ac.uk (ez156b60.brookes.ac.uk [161.73.140.220]) by brookes.ac.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7BCSE2L022380 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:28:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3F378BDE.9060001@brookes.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:28:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030401 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Our First Trip to LA's Parks]/Arrow Mice (Double Reply!) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andy Straw X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10094179 X-Yahoo-Profile: fl0rist George Burnash wrote: > Oh, and it won't take you two hours either unless you really work the > multiple rides on the coasters. I took 3 rides on Treetop racers and 2 > rides of 4 circuits each on the Freeway coaster, along with a little > wandering and other playing and still left 45 minutes after I arrived. And > with it being 5-10 minutes from Knott's, you're looking at around an hour > or so Thanks. Did you say it had or handn't got an entrance fee? Regards, Andy From CoasterDainan@aol.com Mon Aug 11 06:11:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29942 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 13:11:10 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.105.3448f073 (4012) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <105.3448f073.2c68efe6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:11:02 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Realising my SUF anger To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I relized they added a trim brake in the pretzel knot loop because of the g's wich got me upset becfause it was better before the brakes. -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=Dainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon Aug 11 07:12:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29985 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 14:12:46 -0000 Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id h7BECjcS008421 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:12:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Realising my SUF anger Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal From: "Greg Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > it does suck to get stuck on it though, seeing as you will probably > end up hanging facing down, which is not very comfortable. like being > strapped into an electric chair. facing down just adds insult to > injury in that case. I'd MUCH rather be stuck on the B&M train than on the Vekoma one. I've spent a few minutes stuck on the final break run before the station on Air, Superman Ultimate Flight (GAm edition), AND X-Flight. Lying on your back with all the blood rushing to your head is FAR less comfortable, especially with the sun blasting down on your face. Absolutely miserable. --Greg From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 07:22:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1968 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 14:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 14:22:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 14:22:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20030811142215.90439.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:22:15 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Walt Disney Co. Nets Higher Rev Despite Dip At Parks And Resorts To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Amusement Business August 11, 2003 Walt Disney Co. Nets Higher Rev Despite Dip At Parks And Resorts Walt Disney Co. reported higher revenue and profit for the quarter ended June 30, despite a fall-off in its parks and resorts business. The company also said cash-flow issues at Euro Disney could imperil its own $522 million investment in Euro Disney. Disney said that because of a worsening "travel and tourism situation in Europe," Euro Disney won't meet its forecasts for theme park attendance and hotel occupancy, and thus is out of compliance with its bank covenants. Until Euro Disney secures additional financing, it won't have the money to repay, among other things, its credit line with Disney. Disney — which had already agreed not to charge Euro Disney royalties and management fees for Jan.1-Sept. 30 of this year, in order to help ease Euro Disney's financial strain — said it will not receive any additional royalties or fees the rest of the current fiscal year. Meanwhile, Disney's parks and resorts division posted revenue for the quarter of $1.7 billion, down from $1.8 billion a year ago. Operating income fell to $352 million from $467 million. Disney said the results reflect declines in hotel occupancy and park attendance at Walt Disney World, as well as the absence of royalties and management fees from Euro Disney. Overall, Disney revenue rose 7% to $6.2 billion. Net income was up 10% to $400 million, or 19 cents per diluted share. Written by: Matthew Benz ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 07:24:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18917 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 14:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 14:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40018.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 14:24:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20030811142407.30256.qmail@web40018.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40018.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:24:07 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Concessions By Cox: The Pope's Visit In 2002; Juggalos In 2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy This is for Brian and Jeremy. Adam Amusement Business August 11, 2003 Concessions By Cox: The Pope's Visit In 2002; Juggalos In 2003 Charlie Cox, of Concessions by Cox, and his crew of 50 sold more Faygo soft drinks from July 18 to July 21 than he has sold during his nearly 50 years in the concessions business. Cox was set up in the Nelson Ledges Quarry Park campground in Northern Ohio as the exclusive food and beverage concessionaire at the annual "Gathering of the Juggalos" festival, a four-day music festival featuring the Insane Clown Posse and other artists on the group's Psychopathic Records label. Five thousand tickets were sold in advance for the four-day festival for $160 each. Cox was open 24 hours a day during the festival, which netted him a food and beverage per cap between $20 and $30. "We sold three times what we thought we would," Cox told AB shortly after the weekend. "I was totally amazed. We had to restock on a constant basis and we purchased virtually every can of Faygo pop from the stores in this part of the state to resell." Faygo, the Detroit-based non-cola soda, is the favorite soft drink of the juggalos and the juggalettes, members of the official fan organization of the Insane Clown Posse. The fruity soft drink comes in various flavors. When the group performs, the band members fling, kick and spray Faygo over the audience. The audience shakes up their own Faygo and spray each other and anyone who gets in the area. "They drink it as well," Cox laughed. The weekend was open for Cox, and a year prior he had been a concessionaire during the Pope's visit to Toronto. "A year ago we were with the Pope, this year we're with the juggalos. This is much more fun," he said. "I think [the kids] look terrible and I don't like the music, but they are great kids. They behaved themselves around us, they were polite and they treated us very nice," Cox said. "Sometimes the lines would be 100 or 200 people long and there was never any trouble." The promoters from Psychopathic Records found Concessions by Cox on the Internet, and "checked us out before contacting us," Cox said. "We discussed things and I sent Mike [Wilson, his right hand man] up to the site and he came back and said we should do it. Everybody but Mike thought I was crazy for getting involved." This was the fourth such "gathering" and it was the first to be held outdoors. "It was quite a festive site," Wilson said. "There was plenty of music and plenty of activities. There were fishing ponds, movies, paintball, lots of woods to hike, and seminars with the band members." There were seven food locations, including a 40-foot by 60-foot Food Corral tent set up with 300 seats and a 24-hour cafeteria line. In addition, there was a pizza trailer; a funnel cake trailer; an ice cream trailer; a grab trailer with hamburgers, fries, hot dogs and corn dogs; and a grab tent with Philly Steak sandwiches, Italian sausages, lemon-shakes, hamburgers, corn dogs and fries. Cox also had the contract for all backstage catering and he had to supply all his own electric, water and utilities. There were two shifts run, from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. and from 10 p.m. to 10 a.m. "The busiest times were from 10 p.m. to about 3 a.m.," Cox said. "The mornings were the slowest because everyone slept. We'd bring in a fresh crew at 10 p.m. and keep the old crew there if they were needed for a couple more hours." Cox is now a believer. "We do a lot of concerts during the year, and believe me, those crowds in general are more trouble than the juggalos were. "We have signed to come back next year and I look forward to adding it to our annual event list," Cox said. Written by: Tim O'Brien ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 11 11:52:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4754 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 18:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 18:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001.verizon.net) (206.46.170.140) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 18:52:37 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030811185237.TWMI12592.out001.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:52:37 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:52:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:52:36 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:19:09 -0000, Adam Sandy wrote: > I guess the question is, why does this person feel that if Inside Track > could not make enough money to stay afloat, At-the-Park could not make > enough money and Amusement Today seems to have this market cornered, why > could this publication survive? I think because many seem to feel that Amusement Today is a magazine meant for those who work in the industry and the 'upper echelon' of enthusiasts, if you know what I mean, as opposed to the general populace that are interested in parks, coasters, rides, etc. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough at what Amusement Today offers, but I've always had the impression that for the most part is was "above me", as far as not being intended for someone of my interests or level. As for Inside Track, I always had the impression that was far more a problem with the guy that was publishing it than it was with the actual magazine. I'm not familiar with At the Park, so I couldn't say on that one. Additionally, the enthusiast and interest groups I would say have grown over the last few years, so that they are larger than when Inside Track was publishing-in many ways thanks to the internet. Events that are open to the public and causual enthusiast (Winter Solace at Knott's, SRM, Coastermania) seem to be getting bigger and bigger-to the point where some complain that they're to big. That would indicate that more people have joined the groups, meaning a larger base of people to pull subscribers from. So maybe it's time. Just my thoughts keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 11 11:54:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42534 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop015.verizon.net) (206.46.170.172) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030811185426.MPRY29447.pop015.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:54:26 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Our First Trip to LA's Parks]/Arrow Mice (Double Reply!) References: <3F378BDE.9060001@brookes.ac.uk> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:54:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <3F378BDE.9060001@brookes.ac.uk> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:54:26 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:28:14 +0100, Andy Straw wrote: > George Burnash wrote: >> Oh, and it won't take you two hours either unless you really work the >> multiple rides on the coasters. I took 3 rides on Treetop racers and 2 >> rides of 4 circuits each on the Freeway coaster, along with a little >> wandering and other playing and still left 45 minutes after I arrived. >> And with it being 5-10 minutes from Knott's, you're looking at around an >> hour or so > > Thanks. Did you say it had or handn't got an entrance fee? For an adult, admission will run you $12 for unlimited rides (basically meaning the 2 coasters). If you arrive an hour before closing, that will drop down to $8.95. Check on the hours they're open, but I believe that at least during the week they're closing at 5 or 6pm. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Mon Aug 11 12:17:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93225 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 19:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 19:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO USSMTP04.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 19:17:47 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [10.92.254.174]) by USSMTP04.us.abb.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.4) with ESMTP id V7BJ1I8R28797 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:18:45 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mini TR: SFGrAdv MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:54:49 -0400 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by Router on MAIL05.US.ABB.COM/SRV/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/11/2003 01:54:49 PM, MIME-CD complete at 08/11/2003 01:54:49 PM, Serialize by Router on ABB-US01-USMTP2/US01/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/11/2003 03:14:35 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 I went to Great Adventure yesterday, and have just a few comments: Superman: Ultimate Flight. Took only my second ride on this flying coaster. This time, about row 6 instead of the front. Further back, there is much more force going through the pretzel loop. The sensation of flying is slightly reduced, but not by much; the row in front of you doesn't really block your view. My biggest problem was the wind blowing my hair into my eyes. Rolling Thunder Very rough. But definitely running much faster than it was last year (heck, my grandmother could run faster than...). Needs more maintenance, so I hope they continue to work on this. GASM A bit rougher all around than last year (this was my first ride on it this year), but the transition into the midcourse was *not* brutal. In fact, that turn was nearly smooth and jerk-free. If it weren't for the woman behind me screaming non-stop throughout the ride, this would have been a fun trip. Ted's Grill (or some name like that) Food place in the Boardwalk area. They charged $7 for a cheesesteak. Bad enough, but it was less than half the size of a normal 'steak. Outrageous. Jon Z (who has had a quiet coaster summer) From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Aug 11 15:10:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10904 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 22:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 22:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 22:10:10 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.c3.36b93e7e (3310) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:09:58 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:40:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, xblack7x@aol.com writes: > Me too, as well as photographers. > count me in if that's the case. -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 16:29:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6489 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 23:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2003 23:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 23:29:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2003 23:29:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:29:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Concessions By Cox: The Pope's Visit In 2002; Juggalos In 2003 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030811142407.30256.qmail@web40018.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1207 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "djbosshogg" X-Originating-IP: 151.205.66.84 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376 X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg *enters out of a long 2 month slumber... to check the site only to see Adam post about ICP... must fight urge... must not be a part of the world... MUST REPLY!!!!* > "I think [the kids] look terrible and I don't like the > music, but they are great kids. They behaved > themselves around us, they were polite and they > treated us very nice," Cox said. "Sometimes the lines > would be 100 or 200 people long and there was never > any trouble." That we are, and that we can be... I wish we could say that about the enthusiast community sometimes... > There were seven food locations, including a 40-foot > by 60-foot Food Corral tent set up with 300 seats and > a 24-hour cafeteria line. Sounds like some of Coaster Con should've been taken place out in the woods with us Juggalos! > In addition, there was a pizza trailer; a funnel cake > trailer; an ice cream trailer; a grab trailer with > hamburgers, fries, hot dogs and corn dogs; and a grab > tent with Philly Steak sandwiches, Italian sausages, > lemon-shakes, hamburgers, corn dogs and fries. In the words of many many man ACE'rs and Digital Underground.. *WHO GOT THE GRAVY?* jeRemy D. -who must go back to his *happy place*....- From xblack7x@aol.com Mon Aug 11 18:08:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88263 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 01:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 01:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 01:08:07 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.141.170abb73 (16781) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <141.170abb73.2c6997df@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:07:43 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/11/2003 8:20:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, afrsandy@yahoo.com writes: > I guess the question is, why does this person feel that if Inside > Track could not make enough money to stay afloat, At-the-Park could > not make enough money and Amusement Today seems to have this market > cornered, why could this publication survive? > > Adam I think there are a few reasons. Roller coasters are more mainstream now, they are more popular then ever. Also, production costs have gone down with digital imaging and word processing technology where it is at now. Think about it, an entire magazine can easily be done with the computer and transmitted to the publisher. Setup and printing is done digitally. I work for the local newspaper, and currently we are running 40 year old presses that break down all the time. In a few years we are building a new press plant with the latest technology, and what now takes use all night to print (60,000 issues) we will be able to do in just two hours. Even now, with the computer technology the writers and publishers have, we can get the stories to press much faster then even five years ago. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Mon Aug 11 18:20:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53505 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 01:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 01:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 01:20:44 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.3e.3382aad2 (16781) for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e.3382aad2.2c699ae6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:20:38 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: SFGrAdv To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/11/2003 3:19:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com writes: > Rolling Thunder > Very rough. But definitely running much faster than it was last > year (heck, my grandmother could run faster than...). Needs more > maintenance, so I hope they continue to work on this. > Were both sides running? What side did you ride? I rode the right side for the first time in ten years last week, fantastic ride. That is the side that has been retracked, the other side has not yet. Can't wait until both sides are up to snuff. > GASM > A bit rougher all around than last year (this was my first ride > on > it this year), but the transition into the midcourse was *not* brutal. > In > fact, that turn was nearly smooth and jerk-free. If it weren't for the > woman behind me screaming non-stop throughout the ride, this would have > been a fun trip. > > Ted's Grill (or some name like that) > Food place in the Boardwalk area. They charged $7 for a > cheesesteak. Bad enough, but it was less than half the size of a normal > 'steak. Outrageous. Philadelphia Magazine actually rated a South Jersey shop as having the best cheesesteak. Huh, you can get a good steak in Jersey, I'll stick to Geno's. How were the crowds? With the constant threat of rain crowds have been very light when I have been there. Good stuff. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 22:27:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87058 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 05:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 05:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 05:27:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 05:27:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 05:27:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Realising my SUF anger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030810161408.27697.qmail@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 506 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Brian Farral" X-Originating-IP: 68.71.111.62 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > > It doesn't feel like flying > > Well, have you ever flown?! > > You think I'm kidding .. but I'm talking about planes .. You're > strapped into an uncomfortable seat, it's long, slow, dull, full > of delays, and really boring. Ha Ha... Not with me it's not... Except for tonight, where we had a 2 +1/2 hr. taxi at LGA. But I fly for a living and I still never get bored. Even as a passenger. How can you look down on the world from 37,000 ft and not be fascinated? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Aug 11 22:36:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63849 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 05:36:51 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWkfAn8L9oyh1lDpBdHPMO8sOT+FOppwR5g==">; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:36:05 EDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7CZH5XW; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:36:05 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:23:08 -0700 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Supermini Non-Park TR: My Extended Weekend Message-ID: <20030811.222308.-1652863.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3,14,36,47,54-56 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme I got back from my camping trip to Sequoia National Park today (by Yosemite, more big trees and such), and I have a small no coaster riding, no park TR to do really quick, just reporting on random things that I saw or did. On the way up to Sequoia we drove by DCA, TOT looks nice (or old and dilapidated) and the building is coming along very well, if I recall correctly it was pretty much done on the outside. Only really odd thing I noticed was that there was a completed section on the top that stuck out to the side. Does the MGM version have this as well? Then we did the usual passes on Disneyland and KBF, nothing new I could see there. Way past there, we drove by SFMM, which for a Thursday seemed very active as I spotted most of the major coasters running their courses, which I usually don't notice so much. Then out in the farmland area far from Bakersfield, I saw a couple of trailered food booths presumably for some fair. For the next day or so after we camped, were attacked by bears, swam, etc. On the way out yesterday I finished up all the ACE magazines and newsletters I was catching up on, and we drove by SFMM again going to Ventura. It wasn't as active, but I did see S:TE launch it's left side, the one that hasn't been operating for about a year. Not sure if the right side is still working, but I'd guess it is. Then in Ventura, my aunt mentioned going to the Ventura County Fair on it's last day of operation, and while I obviously would've liked to have gone, due to no prior planning, a headache on my part, and that no one else besides me really being up to it, we didn't go, which wasn't a major disappointment, rather I spent the time reading an old ACE News about roller coasters being safe and a book about carousels. In fact, I learned several new things, such as why American carousels go anti-clockwise and why the British ones go clockwise, how they originated, etc. I've read a lot of the book prior to that, but I was happy to gain some new knowledge. Shortly afterward, we went down to the waterfront, ate at some seafood place after an ungodly wait, saw an octopus eat some crabs, talked about fairs, and walked by an indoor carousel that I never actually saw, but the signs said it was there. I added it to the list of carousels that I'll come back and look at later when time permits. That night I saw a tiny bit of the Travel Channel's best waterparks thing, watched some of the fairs fireworks from afar, and I went to sleep. The following morning (today) we left and passed a trailered simulator on the side of the road, stopped in at a thrift store where I bought a few books and a carousel music box (too many carousels! Ahhh!) where the ceramic carousel horse goes up and down and plays music. Apparantly I now own number 1057 of 17500 by Tobin Fraley. Carousels are very popular in the Ventura area, no? Then as I got out of the thrift store we saw a green trailered ride pass and I guessed it was a Tornado. After about 30 minutes of driving we caught up to it, passed a pulled over simulator again (same one probably), and I was able to tell that the ride was one of the common, medium sized, evil Ferris Wheels as we pulled onto the freeway by SFMM. On the way home we passed the Scandia Screamer and just before we neared my school a few hours later, I saw a new Legoland billboard replacing a casino one, which was one of many Legoland billboards I saw scattered between San Diego and LA. There you have all the roller coaster and amusement park things I did, saw, or remember discussing between last Thursday and today, Monday the 11th. Not a lot of interest, mostly just what you'd expect to hear in the off season. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 11 23:02:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31104 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 06:02:18 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030812060218.VDAL21766.out003.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:02:18 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Supermini Non-Park TR: My Extended Weekend References: <20030811.222308.-1652863.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:02:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030811.222308.-1652863.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:02:17 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:23:08 -0700, wrote: > I did see S:TE launch it's left side, > the one that hasn't been operating for about a year. Not sure if the > right side is still working, but I'd guess it is. Yes, the right side is working, and is still the side that they use the most. I expected them to run the left only once they finished the rehab and work on the right side, but I guess that wasn't in the plan (or the budget) and they're going to run it until the right side blows out. :/ > Then in Ventura, my > aunt mentioned going to the Ventura County Fair on it's last day of > operation, and while I obviously would've liked to have gone, due to no > prior planning, a headache on my part, and that no one else besides me > really being up to it, we didn't go, which wasn't a major disappointment, We went on Friday, but on even a lower budget than the OC fair a few weeks ago. It was nice to see a couple of rides there that hadn't been in the past, like the Mega Drop and a huge superslide, along with a couple of thrill rides. But it also felt like there were a few more "older" rides there than in the past when RCS had it exclusively. Still a nice setup overall, if on the small side. It was intersting to note that RCS did have a couple of their rides there, including their midsize "giant wheel", even though they weren't the main vendors for the fair. > and walked by an indoor carousel that I never actually saw, but > the signs said it was there. I added it to the list of carousels that > I'll come back and look at later when time permits. You must have gone to Harbor Town! :) Yes, there is a small indoor carousel there. It's a portable model with two rows and a menagerie setup. Only about 1/2 the animals move, I'd say, and it's not a great looking model by any means. But our two still enjoy a ride everytime we visit (about once a month or so) A few arcade games, mostly old and not in good shape, are also inside along with a nice little candy shop. > Then as I got out of the thrift > store we saw a green trailered ride pass and I guessed it was a Tornado. > After about 30 minutes of driving we caught up to it, passed a pulled > over simulator again (same one probably), and I was able to tell that the > ride was one of the common, medium sized, evil Ferris Wheels as we pulled > onto the freeway by SFMM. I wouldn't be shocked at all to find that these were rides from RCS shows, which had closed up the Orange County Fair and were on the way to their next show. When I was accross the street from the OC fairgrounds last Wednesday they were still tearing down a lot of the rides, trailoring them, and between stagings sending them out onto the road. Quite fun to watch for a little while. Thanks for the mini TR Ryan! keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From nrfive@dataflow.be Tue Aug 12 01:36:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: nrfive@dataflow.be X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74843 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 08:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 08:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dataflow.be) (216.117.144.132) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 08:36:53 -0000 Received: from littlefive (212-123-15-140.iFiber.telenet-ops.be [212.123.15.140]) by dataflow.be (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7C8apRT018843 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:36:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c360ac$f79c8fa0$2b14a8c0@littlefive> To: References: <20030811.222308.-1652863.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Subject: Seat belts Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:37:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Number Five" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67551191 X-Yahoo-Profile: nrfive_pegasus Hi all, I just had a great weekend in Germany. We went to visit Holiday-Park and Europa-Park. They are both great parks. Europa-Park because of the nice theming and a lot of diversity in there rides. Holiday-Park because it's the home of Expedition G-force. BUT, I had a major problem on the Expedition G-force. I couldn't close the extra seat-belt. They are very small. Now, I'm not the slimmest guy in the world, but I can assure you I'm not the largest eather. In the past, I ridden on the Goliath in SFH and Wild Wild west in Movie World Madrid. They have the same vehicles and seats, build by Intamin AG. In both of them, I can close my seatbelt without a problem, and I still have some extra room available. But for some odd reason, The belts in the G-force are much shorter and I was unable to ride this coaster, AAARGH. Now, I have a big question for the coasters in America. Next Year, we are comming to USA to ride some major coasters. Do they also have restrictions on how large you may be in order to ride? Or is the length of the seatbelts large enough? Greetz, Number Five PS: Trip report will follow. From Xcoaster@juno.com Tue Aug 12 01:53:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4797 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 08:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 08:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 08:53:11 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWhmaVQgjd8LoE1Q/qubErZRnkWhGm/STow==">; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:53:09 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7DCSZAZ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:53:09 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:40:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Supermini Non-Park TR: My Extended Weekend Message-ID: <20030812.014027.-1312469.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16,26-48,56-61,64-70,77-79 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > > and walked by an indoor carousel that I never actually saw, but > > the signs said it was there. I added it to the list of carousels > that > > I'll come back and look at later when time permits. > > You must have gone to Harbor Town! :) Yes, there is a small indoor > > carousel there. It's a portable model with two rows and a menagerie > setup. > Only about 1/2 the animals move, I'd say, and it's not a great > looking > model by any means. But our two still enjoy a ride everytime we > visit > (about once a month or so) A few arcade games, mostly old and not > in good > shape, are also inside along with a nice little candy shop. Ahh, that must have been it. I saw the arcade games and the candy shop inside while I was trying to find the carousel from looking in through the windows, but I couldn't see it, although the building did appear a little bit like a carousel building. Is the carousel on the lower floor amid the arcade games, or is it on a higher level? Oh, and this reminds me, my mom made the comment earlier that this area was very similar to our local Sea Port Village, and at the time I couldn't help thinking that they were similar, except that Sea Port Village has a carousel. Guess in retrospect they are even more similar now that I think about it. I wonder if they shared designers. > > Then as I got out of the thrift > > store we saw a green trailered ride pass and I guessed it was a > Tornado. > > After about 30 minutes of driving we caught up to it, passed a > pulled > > over simulator again (same one probably), and I was able to tell > that the > > ride was one of the common, medium sized, evil Ferris Wheels as we > pulled > > onto the freeway by SFMM. > > I wouldn't be shocked at all to find that these were rides from RCS > shows, > which had closed up the Orange County Fair and were on the way to > their > next show. When I was across the street from the OC fairgrounds > last > Wednesday they were still tearing down a lot of the rides, > trailoring them, > and between stagings sending them out onto the road. No, I'm pretty sure it was from the Ventura fair since it was the day they should've started packing up and they were all coming from that direction going into the LA area. And that the two rides I saw looked fairly easy to set up and take down (the simulator probably taking no work) so they probably could've done all the work of getting the rides prepped for transport the night before or that morning. I believe we were on the 126 near a little town amidst the orange groves when we first saw them going towards SFMM (assuming the simulators were going somewhere). > Quite fun to > watch > for a little while. I've had the pleasure of watching a fair being set up once, and it is very neat to view, especially how quickly everything comes up (and likely comes down). > Thanks for the mini TR Ryan! > > keep on ridin' > George Thanks for reading it. It seems on every trip I go on I see something like that that might be worth mentioning on here, but usually I either mention it in a full TR, or it's so minor I don't mention it at all. In this case I had no real TR to write, but I had lots of little random tidbits (though often seeming to have something to do with carousels) worth mentioning. And I'm afraid I'm gonna jinx myself, but now I'll attempt at least some of a late night TR. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 12 02:06:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57989 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out002.verizon.net) (206.46.170.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030812090610.KUXU18222.out002.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:06:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:06:17 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Supermini Non-Park TR: My Extended Weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <20030812.014027.-1312469.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030812.014027.-1312469.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:06:09 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:40:26 -0700, wrote: > Ahh, that must have been it. I saw the arcade games and the candy shop > inside while I was trying to find the carousel from looking in through > the windows, but I couldn't see it, although the building did appear a > little bit like a carousel building. Is the carousel on the lower floor > amid the arcade games, or is it on a higher level? All one level, as there's no multiple levels in the place, though it's a rather odd shape. One end houses the carousel, with the candy counter on one side of it. Then on the other side of the candy counter and extending around a little and out is the arcade. Very cramped for the most part. In a lot of ways I'm actually surprised it's survived for so many years. >> I wouldn't be shocked at all to find that these were rides from RCS >> shows, which had closed up the Orange County Fair and were on the way to >> their next show. When I was across the street from the OC fairgrounds >> last Wednesday they were still tearing down a lot of the rides, >> trailoring them, and between stagings sending them out onto the road. > > No, I'm pretty sure it was from the Ventura fair since it was the day > they should've started packing up and they were all coming from that > direction going into the LA area. And that the two rides I saw looked > fairly easy to set up and take down (the simulator probably taking no > work) so they probably could've done all the work of getting the rides > prepped for transport the night before or that morning. I believe we were > on the 126 near a little town amidst the orange groves when we first saw > them going towards SFMM (assuming the simulators were going somewhere). It's possible, since the fair's last day was yesterday, and there was a simulator at it, but I'm still not sure about that. There wasn't a typical ferris wheel at it for one, though there was a sky diver, which looks a bit like a ferris wheel when it's packed. But with the fair just having ended late last night, it would be this evening or really tomorrow (Tuesday) before to many of them would be ready to hit the road. Sounds like you were near Fillmore, our 1/2 way stopping point for breakfast when we go to SFMM, and home of a very nice touristy railroad through the groves. Always fun to hear when someone comes into my neck of the woods. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 05:14:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60798 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 12:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 12:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 12:13:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 12:13:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:13:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Seat belts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c360ac$f79c8fa0$2b14a8c0@littlefive> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 68.52.227.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "Now, I have a big question for the coasters in America. Next Year, we are comming to USA to ride some major coasters. Do they also have restrictions on how large you may be in order to ride? Or is the length of the seatbelts large enough?" As far as I know, the reason why the seatbelts are so short on Expedition G-Force is because TUV required very short belts because of the ride's extreme airtime. In the states there is no kind of standardization. This means that you may be able to ride an Intamin hyper coaster at one park, but not at another. It all depends on what size belt the coaster came with and if the park has shortened them at all. In addition, some parks (PKI, for example) like to lower the height and angle of the PTC indiviual lap bar, so that can sometimes be a problem, too. Adam From nrfive@dataflow.be Tue Aug 12 05:39:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: nrfive@dataflow.be X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58104 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 12:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 12:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dataflow.be) (216.117.144.132) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 12:39:04 -0000 Received: from littlefive (212-123-15-140.iFiber.telenet-ops.be [212.123.15.140]) by dataflow.be (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h7CCd2hQ027743 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c360ce$cc823280$2b14a8c0@littlefive> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:39:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Ronny Guillaume" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67551191 X-Yahoo-Profile: nrfive_pegasus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, thanks for the info. I think I have to go on a diet for next year :-) But my sport-seison is starting again (volleyball and Squash) so I think i will loss a few pounds there. Do you have any idea about the belts in SFMM and CP? Greetz, Number Five ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Sandy To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts "Now, I have a big question for the coasters in America. Next Year, we are comming to USA to ride some major coasters. Do they also have restrictions on how large you may be in order to ride? Or is the length of the seatbelts large enough?" As far as I know, the reason why the seatbelts are so short on Expedition G-Force is because TUV required very short belts because of the ride's extreme airtime. In the states there is no kind of standardization. This means that you may be able to ride an Intamin hyper coaster at one park, but not at another. It all depends on what size belt the coaster came with and if the park has shortened them at all. In addition, some parks (PKI, for example) like to lower the height and angle of the PTC indiviual lap bar, so that can sometimes be a problem, too. Adam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Aug 12 06:21:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23419 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 13:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 13:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 13:21:52 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.97.3cb1045c (4340) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <97.3cb1045c.2c6a43ed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:21:49 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Realising my SUF anger To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm facinated from thousands of feet in the air. Not 115ft. in the air. -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=Dainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rockcandy47978@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 06:28:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rockcandy47978@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48418 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 13:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 13:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 13:28:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.179] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 13:28:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:28:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: SFGrAM--back Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2670 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rockcandy47978" X-Originating-IP: 65.41.60.138 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139041250 X-Yahoo-Profile: rockcandy47978 Ok I am back and sore as heck. I threw my back out so therefore we only stayed one day. However, we got there about 11 am. We wanted to hit Superman but the wait was about 2 hours. So we hopped on Viper. I liked it. It is a smooth ride with some nice airtime. Surprising for a woody. We hit Raging Bull next. This ride was great. The drop was exhilerating as was the entire ride, smooth. Next we hit American Eagle backwards. It was also a smooth ride but I like PKI's Racers better. Their bunny hills are better than Am. Eagle in my opinion. Next we got on Batman--Dear God this was a long wait. We waited about 1.5 hrs. It was crazy. Then we got on it and it whipped out ass. lol. It was intense to say the least. I got off a little weak kneed ;) Next we breaked for food. We ate at the Moose Lodge I think it was. Had the best burgers I had ever had. Tasty and filling and not that expensive. For 2 it was about $20. Time to hit rides again. We checked out Superman and to our surpise was down. So we rode Demon. Nice and smooth but again, I like PKI's Vortex a little better. The wait was near nothing..prolly about 10 min. THen we hopped on Whizzer bc Dejavu was down for the 3rd time. Wait for Whizzer was about 20 min. Break time for some Italian ice then checked V2(which was down earlier). Wait was insane so we checked supermant--still down so we road Condor which is like a scrambler in the air. Kinda fun. Superman test running but stil down(has been down for 4 hours now) Ticked, we roade the raging rapids and got nice and cooled off. Wait was about 10 min. We went and rode the simulator seats and I would avoid this at all costs. It was lame and bumpy and this is where I think I did the damage to my back. Ok, Superman testing..still nothing. We road Ragin Bull again with about 30 min wait(it was about 60 min earlier in the day) Back to Superman bc the line was forming. We stepped up to hear the attendant say it was opening so we weasled in the front of the crowd. Bad I know but hey I didnt wanna wait. So we were first to ride it. My hubby lost his mind on it and said it was his fave. I would tell you more about it but my eyes were closed and my mouth open in a scream the entire ride. It was intense lol. We rode Viper once again and then walked back to our hotel. We stayed at the Grand Hotel--cheap and you get dicount tickets. For a room with jacuzzi, queen bed, and 2 tickets, it was 170.00. The rooms are painted in themes and blacklights, etc. It was pretty neat. Anyway that is a quick overview. I would have been more indepth but I have to get back to the grind of work :) From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 06:43:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1026 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 13:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 13:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 13:43:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.156] by n38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 13:43:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:43:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <141.170abb73.2c6997df@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1572 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "I think there are a few reasons. Roller coasters are more mainstream now, they are more popular then ever. Also, production costs have gone down with digital imaging and word processing technology where it is at now. Think about it, an entire magazine can easily be done with the computer and transmitted to the publisher. Setup and printing is done digitally. I work for the local newspaper, and currently we are running 40 year old presses that break down all the time. In a few years we are building a new press plant with the latest technology, and what now takes use all night to print (60,000 issues) we will be able to do in just two hours. Even now, with the computer technology the writers and publishers have, we can get the stories to press much faster then even five years ago." I know at my magazine we have gone digital, too, and yes things are cheaper. However, I think that there is a world of difference between an existing magazine converting and someone starting up a publication. While it is cheaper than before, it is still an expensive propisition to get something like this off the ground. In addition, there was a lot of talk at the trade shows last year about an over-saturation of industry-related magazines on a very small industry and a wish for less of them, not more. I don't want it to sound like I wouldn't want this magazine to exist, but it doesn't seem to offer anything (aside from enthusiast profiles, perhaps) that does not already exist in some or all of the industry's trade publications. Adam From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 06:52:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3686 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 13:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 13:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 13:52:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.185] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 13:52:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:52:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1919 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "I think because many seem to feel that Amusement Today is a magazine meant for those who work in the industry and the 'upper echelon' of enthusiasts, if you know what I mean, as opposed to the general populace that are interested in parks, coasters, rides, etc. Maybe I just haven't looked close enough at what Amusement Today offers, but I've always had the impression that for the most part is was "above me", as far as not being intended for someone of my interests or level." Not really, a large percentage of their subscribers are enthusiasts, not parks. While there is occasionally a good article, many of them are simply press releases from parks and manufacturers or Eric Minton's group of parks he visited on vacation. "As for Inside Track, I always had the impression that was far more a problem with the guy that was publishing it than it was with the actual magazine. I'm not familiar with At the Park, so I couldn't say on that one." Nope, Inside Track just died because a monthly trade publication has a hard time surviving in an industry than changes a lot more than once a month. Mark's problem was that he kept taking people's money long after the magazine had stopped being published on a regular basis. As for ATP, it was more of the same, costs for production got too high for the demand. Perhaps the base has grown enough that a magazine can run from subscriptions alone. I just know that established magazines are having lean years because the industry is and they work off of both subs. and advertising. Yes, we do have a full-time staff, but considering what we put out our staff is not that big. Smaller magazines than us are dealing with a shoestring staff and just hoping to pull through, so with trade and special interest publishing at the worst places they have been in a long time it seems like an interesting time to start up a print mag. Adam From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 08:12:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66850 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 15:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 15:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 15:12:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.168] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 15:12:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:12:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Walt Disney Co. Nets Higher Rev Despite Dip At Parks And Resorts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030811142215.90439.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > Amusement Business > August 11, 2003 > Walt Disney Co. Nets Higher Rev Despite Dip At Parks > And Resorts > > Walt Disney Co. reported higher revenue and profit for > the quarter ended June 30, despite a fall-off in its > parks and resorts business. > > The company also said cash-flow issues at Euro Disney > could imperil its own $522 million investment in Euro > Disney. I hate to nit-pick, but the name was changed from Euro Disney to Disneyland Paris QUITE a few years ago. And since they have added the MGM Studios, it is now the Disneyland Paris Resort. -Alan From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 08:44:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59156 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 15:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 15:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 15:44:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 15:44:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:44:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: Roadside Sighting Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 366 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 I keep forgetting to ask about this. I was driving from Phoenix to San Diego over the 4th of July weekend, and I saw something. I was on I-8 heading towards S.D. when on the "south-side" of I-8, I saw a little Farris Wheel and Roller Coaster. It was about 5 miles east of El Cajone. Ideas anyone? -Alan (Who now lives in the 5th largest city in the US - ugh!) From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 09:05:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54840 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 16:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 16:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.67) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 16:05:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.133] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2003 16:05:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:05:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Walt Disney Co. Nets Higher Rev Despite Dip At Parks And Resorts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 509 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I hate to nit-pick, but the name was changed from Euro Disney to > Disneyland Paris QUITE a few years ago. And since they have added the > MGM Studios, it is now the Disneyland Paris Resort. As I understand it Euro Disney s.c.a. is the company that has the ownership and does the operating while Euro Disney is the entire complex that has been invested in, which includes all periphreal properties including the DIsneyland Paris Resort, which is what Matthew was referring to at that time. Adam From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 12 09:06:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99605 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 16:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 16:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 16:06:36 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/VyY0RKonKTM/5g32xO/PeK9IdYv8ErTz">; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:06:21 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7D5K7MP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:06:21 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:05:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Realising my SUF anger Message-ID: <20030812.110507.1564.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-7,9-11 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > I relized they added a trim brake in the pretzel knot loop because of > the g's > wich got me upset becfause it was better before the brakes. Can anyone else confirm this? The other two American B&M flyers don't have trims and I know the GAdv ride didn't when it opened. I also have not seen this anywhere else, so I'm a bit suspicious. Personally, I think S:UF is a fantastic ride and a great addition for both SFGAm and SFGAdv, but I'll get to that later. -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 12 10:38:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39284 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 17:38:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 17:38:03 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030812173803.FXJQ14849.out004.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:38:03 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts References: <003001c360ce$cc823280$2b14a8c0@littlefive> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:38:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: <003001c360ce$cc823280$2b14a8c0@littlefive> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:38:02 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:39:39 +0200, Ronny Guillaume wrote: > Do you have any idea about the belts in SFMM and CP? For SFMM, I don't recall a ride there with a seat belt (well, except for the Granny Grand Prix motor cars) It's all lap bars and OTSR's, and I don't think that there are any that a "decently hefty" person wouldn't be able to get on. Batman, Riddler's, and Scream all have 2 seats on each train that are the "hefty" seats for those that are really large, but in all honesty if you're able to fit into most of the Intamin trains with no problems, you shouldn't need that either. To be honest, I can only recall one time in the last few years that I've seen someone not fit on a ride at SFMM, and that person was positively huge. I wouldn't worry about it to much there. I'll have to let others answer for CP though. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 12 10:46:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51032 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 17:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 17:46:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out002.verizon.net) (206.46.170.141) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 17:46:16 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030812174615.PBCA18222.out002.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:46:15 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Roadside Sighting References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:46:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:46:14 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:44:08 -0000, Alan wrote: > I keep forgetting to ask about this. > > I was driving from Phoenix to San Diego over the 4th of July weekend, and > I saw something. > I was on I-8 heading towards S.D. when on the "south-side" of I-8, I saw > a little Farris Wheel and Roller Coaster. It was about 5 miles east of El > Cajone. > > Ideas anyone? > Just guessing, but doing a location search on RCDB, I pulled up a park in El Cajon that may fit the description called Frasier's Frontier. RCDB also had some other interesting info about it: Frasier's Frontier never reopened after a damaging flood in the late 90s. Most of the rides have been sold. Still remaining as of 2002 is the Little Dipper roller coaster, bumper cars, ferries wheel and the go-cart track. It is believed the owner is interested in selling these rides. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 12 10:47:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40040 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 17:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 17:47:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 17:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 32103 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Aug 2003 17:47:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20030812174733.32102.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:47:33 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "George Burnash" at Aug 12, 2003 10:38:08 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > For SFMM, I don't recall a ride there with a seat belt (well, except for > the Granny Grand Prix motor cars) It's all lap bars and OTSR's Don't (at least) Batman and Riddler's have seat-belts on the OTSR's? Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 12 11:19:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83919 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 18:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 18:19:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop017.verizon.net) (206.46.170.210) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 18:19:43 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030812181942.XKIX27671.pop017.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:19:42 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts References: <20030812174733.32102.qmail@buzzneon.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:19:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030812174733.32102.qmail@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:19:42 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:47:33 -0500 (CDT), wrote: > >> For SFMM, I don't recall a ride there with a seat belt (well, except for >> the Granny Grand Prix motor cars) It's all lap bars and OTSR's > > Don't (at least) Batman and Riddler's have seat-belts on the OTSR's? Yes, but they aren't seat belts, and they don't affect in the least how far down the otsr goes. They're only function is to keep the otsr from coming up if, somehow, it was to come unlocked from position. Other than that, they do absolutely nothing, don't affect the size person that is able to fit on the coaster at all, and really for practical purposes they could be removed entirely and not affect the ride one bit. After all, remember that they operated for a while without the belts. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 11:25:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40190 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 18:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 18:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40002.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 18:25:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20030812182532.20265.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:25:32 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Seat belts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > After all, remember that > they operated for a while without the belts. True, but that means that with the addition of the seat belt the OTSR has to come down further (i.e. the restraint is closed more) than without them. I know that PKI's Drop Zone could not accomodate certain riders without the belts that could ride before they were added. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 12 11:30:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80078 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 18:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 18:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 18:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 32291 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Aug 2003 18:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20030812183053.32290.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:30:53 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20030812182532.20265.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> from "Adam Sandy" at Aug 12, 2003 11:25:32 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > After all, remember that > > they operated for a while without the belts. > > True, but that means that with the addition of the > seat belt the OTSR has to come down further (i.e. the > restraint is closed more) than without them. Right .. that's what I meant. I was lead to believe that the seat-belts can only be buckled once the restraint has come down 2 or three clicks .. and that rides like the B&M Hypers and Flyers don't need the belts because they have other checks in place (ie: switches - so the computer knows which restraints are not down far enough). I'm not claiming this as fact, although it does make sense. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Xcoaster@juno.com Tue Aug 12 12:34:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24150 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 19:34:48 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWte7szRjLNHpKSAs3Q+Nob6T2BXbG98ExA==">; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:34:15 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7EHGU5J; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:34:15 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:21:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Roadside Sighting Message-ID: <20030812.122103.-1961949.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16,18-20,22,24,26-31,48,63,78,99,104,108-110 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme >>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:44:08 -0000 "Alan" writes: >> I keep forgetting to ask about this. >> >> I was driving from Phoenix to San Diego over the 4th of July >> weekend, >> and I saw something. >> I was on I-8 heading towards S.D. when on the "south-side" of I-8, I >> >> saw a little Farris Wheel and Roller Coaster. It was about 5 miles >> east of El Cajone. >> >> Ideas anyone? >> >> -Alan (Who now lives in the 5th largest city in the US - ugh!) >Just guessing, but doing a location search on RCDB, I pulled up a park in >El Cajon that may fit the description called Frasier's Frontier. RCDB also >had some other interesting info about it: > >Frasier's Frontier never reopened after a damaging flood in the late 90s. >Most of the rides have been sold. Still remaining as of 2002 is the Little >Dipper roller coaster, bumper cars, ferries wheel and the go-cart track. It >is believed the owner is interested in selling these rides. > >keep on ridin' >George Wow, good job George, you got the correct park. I never even knew that the flood caused it to close, I didn't think it was that bad, I think it must have just been a reason to not reopen. This is the same park I did a mini TR on about 5 months ago coupled with a Belmont Park TR, some randomness, and a few pictures. The bumper cars, Ferris wheel, and roller coaster are still there. I don't know how the owner would sell the go-cart track considering it probably isn't moveable and I was under the impression that the cars had already sold. And the water slide is still there, but that also wouldn't be sellable aside from the pumps and such. And I talked to the owner once about if they were selling the rides, but he was very vague and just said they'd gotten offers on them and expected to sell them. The owner and/or operator didn't seem like a very responsible fellow and I suppose they'll just end up demolishing what's left if they ever go through with the plans to build *more* homes there and on the large avocado grove, since he really didn't seem to care if they got sold or not. Here's a brief history of the park from my understanding. For quite some time this small picnic grove type park was apparently the big summer hang out spot in eastern San Diego county, but I'm not sure how long, I've heard reports as far back as the 50's, maybe more, maybe less. When I moved to San Diego around 93 it was still in full swing and they were doing fairly well as Marshall Scotties, with some publicity on TV, overall pretty popular despite it's problems. It's been a POP park since I've moved in, with an entrance fee between about 15 and 25 dollars, possibly the reason they didn't survive since that was a bit pricey for the locals to just go there on a short outing for a picnic, a swim, or a few rides. If they had converted over to a small gate fee and then either POP or per ride, they probably would still be open. Also, though not a major problem since it was a very small park, they rarely had enough employees to run all the attractions and would keep some permanently on the major ones and would rotate on the lesser ones and the kiddie rides. Some of their main attractions that have been there as long as I can remember were that white and yellow smaller sized Ferris Wheel, which is similar to the one I saw yesterday, though this one is still on the ground, the bumper cars which are also still there, housed in the green/blue/yellow building, lacking most of the cars and in poor shape, though no hole in the floor yet. The other popular rides were the Little Dipper roller coaster which still resides there, I was told they were getting bids on it, but it hasn't moved, so I don't know, their rock-o-plane, called the Rock and Roll, got sold off pretty early, and the pay extra water slide, their big attraction, it's still there by that green billboard on the hill that used to be their sign. It's made out of concrete or something and goes down the hill to the splashdown. They also had a tilt-a-whirl, a nice miniature train that went around the park, many kiddie rides, a bungee jump for a while, a pool, picnic grounds, and one simple Dumbo type ride that I enjoyed. Later, about 2 years before they permanently closed down, the original owner of the park sold it and it became Frasier's Frontier, and while he tried to make some improvements and give it a more western feel such as changing some of the signs, adding a few new rides and such, and replacing the pony rides with a large play center, the entry prices never improved, the attendance must have been too bad or some other factor, and it closed up, probably also from the flood, around 97 or 98. I believe it was then sold to the local trailer park to be made into a place for those families to go, but that has never happened and likely never will. Some of the rides such as the train and the rock-o-plane sold off almost immediately, while others dawdled, and still more never sold at all. I wished I'd known more and been more interested at the time, otherwise I would've done my best to get pictures and find out as much as possible, but now that seems much too late. The trees and landscaping still appear to be in decent shape, it's not especially overgrown and it still looks alright, but it's become apparent that it will likely never open. About a year ago it did have some life as the former parking lot became home to many construction vehicles, but that stint ended recently, and the only life it seems to have now is that of the maintenance people that still work there and a family that either seems to live in the old arcade or in the old headquarters. I'd like to find out about how much their rides are selling for since it'd be neat to at least get one of the old bumper cars or something, but as I said earlier, I couldn't get any real information out of the guy. Some time I'd like to go there again and get permission to walk around the grounds and take some pictures. Oh, and this is off topic from this, but also on the way up to Sequoia I saw a mini golf place in the middle of no where that had a dried up bumper boat pond and miniature railroad tracks. I forgot about that. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From nrfive@dataflow.be Tue Aug 12 12:54:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: nrfive@dataflow.be X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89997 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 19:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 19:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adicia.telenet-ops.be) (195.130.132.56) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 19:54:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by adicia.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D97A37F98 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:54:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: from shortcircuit (D57763AE.kabel.telenet.be [213.119.99.174]) by adicia.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 09DF037FA4 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:54:32 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <002a01c3610b$887c7c20$050a0a0a@shortcircuit> To: References: <20030812183053.32290.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:54:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Ronny Guillaume" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67551191 X-Yahoo-Profile: nrfive_pegasus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think I have to worry about those seatbelts. I've rode a dozen OTSR-restains coasters without any problem. I allready did Superman (like scream), Stunt-fall and Batman, La fuega, wich are very new coasters in Movie World Madrid. I also rode Half a dozen Velkoma SLC's that have those kind of belts. I think I rode about 40 coasters allready, all without problems. The only belts I was worrying about where those on the Intamin rides. Thanks for the info. Greetz, Ronny ----- Original Message ----- From: cameron@buzzneon.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts > > After all, remember that > > they operated for a while without the belts. > > True, but that means that with the addition of the > seat belt the OTSR has to come down further (i.e. the > restraint is closed more) than without them. Right .. that's what I meant. I was lead to believe that the seat-belts can only be buckled once the restraint has come down 2 or three clicks .. and that rides like the B&M Hypers and Flyers don't need the belts because they have other checks in place (ie: switches - so the computer knows which restraints are not down far enough). I'm not claiming this as fact, although it does make sense. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Don't forget our group sites at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Tue Aug 12 14:34:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84806 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 21:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 21:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 21:34:24 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.65.17062209 (3310) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <65.17062209.2c6ab758@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:34:16 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Seat belts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/2003 4:37:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nrfive@dataflow.be writes: > Now, I have a big question for the coasters in America. Next Year, we are > comming to USA to ride some major coasters. Do they also have restrictions > on how large you may be in order to ride? Or is the length of the seatbelts > large enough? Nope, at most parks the ride ops try very hard to get you to fit. I guess they figure if you have waited that long they will try to give you a chance to ride. Also, most major coasters have test seats at the front of the queue, if you are unsure, use them. Typically, if you fit the test seat, you fit the ride. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Tue Aug 12 14:52:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95629 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 21:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 21:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 21:52:46 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1d0.f152fe8 (3310) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d0.f152fe8.2c6abba3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:52:35 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/2003 1:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, burn.doug@verizon.net writes: > To be honest, I can only recall one time in the last few years that I've > seen someone not fit on a ride at SFMM, and that person was positively > huge. I wouldn't worry about it to much there. I'll have to let others > answer for CP though. The only ride to worry about at CP are MF, which some have trouble with, but I can easily get my fat butt into, and definitely Wicked Twister. The later has very small belts, and many cannot fit into them. Also, the Mine Train (whatever it is called) is an old Arrow ride and has manual single possition lapbars that are very tight, that may be a tough one too. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Aug 12 14:53:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22751 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 21:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2003 21:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 21:53:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 604 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Aug 2003 21:53:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20030812215354.603.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Seat belts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:53:54 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <65.17062209.2c6ab758@aol.com> from "xblack7x@aol.com" at Aug 12, 2003 05:34:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Nope, at most parks the ride ops try very hard to get you to fit. [snip] > Also, most major coasters have test seats at the front of the queue, if > you are unsure, use them. I think some parks will even let you walk up the exit, and test a seat on the actual ride (if there's no test-seat). Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** What's that blue thing * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** doing here?? * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 19:06:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87713 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.12) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:06:15 -0700 Received: from 24.49.142.218 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:06:14 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:06:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2003 02:06:15.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[79C98630:01C3613F] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.142.218] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >but it doesn't seem to offer anything (aside from >enthusiast profiles, perhaps) Haha, and nobody's going to buy a magazine based on that! I remember some ACE publication used to highlight certain members each issue, but I haven't been an ACE member in several years. Can you imagine some of the profiles? ARNR would have a field day. =) -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From supermanros@hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 19:11:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34034 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 02:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 02:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.74) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 02:11:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:11:16 -0700 Received: from 24.49.142.218 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:11:16 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:11:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2003 02:11:16.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D89C270:01C36140] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.49.142.218] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >Yes, but they aren't seat belts, and they don't affect in the least how far >down the otsr goes. They're only function is to keep the otsr from coming >up if, somehow, it was to come unlocked from position. Other than that, >they do absolutely nothing, don't affect the size person that is able to >fit on the coaster at all, and really for practical purposes they could be >removed entirely and not affect the ride one bit. After all, remember that >they operated for a while without the belts. What are you talking about? Of course they do. Their primary function is to make sure the shoulder harness is down far enough! Their secondary function is to prevent the shoulder harness from coming all the way up should it unlock, but even in that situation the person would probably still fall out or sustain serious injuries. The seatbelts are all a certain length, and often times people can't ride because they can't buckle the seatbelt. That's the whole reason B&M came out with extended "big boy" seats. If someone is too large then they won't be able to buckle the seat belt, which means the shoulder harness isn't down far enough, which means that person can't ride. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 12 21:59:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96534 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7D4xZ6j079098 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 8038 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 04:59:38 -0000 Received: from 2.146.8.67.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (67.8.146.2) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 04:59:38 -0000 Message-ID: <010301c36157$a493bb20$02920843@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Roadside Sighting Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:59:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" > I was driving from Phoenix to San Diego over the 4th of July weekend, > and I saw something. > I was on I-8 heading towards S.D. when on the "south-side" of I-8, I > saw a little Farris Wheel and Roller Coaster. It was about 5 miles > east of El Cajone. > > Ideas anyone? That would be the old Marshal Scotty's Playland Park site... which later was renamed Frazier's Frontier (or something like that) a year or two before it shut down for good. Last time I was in the area (3 years ago) I know many of the rides were still sitting and rotting on site... From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 12 22:19:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9593 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 05:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 05:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop015.verizon.net) (206.46.170.172) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 05:19:21 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030813051920.EBNL29447.pop015.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:19:20 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:19:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:19:15 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:11:16 -0400, Chris Kearsing wrote: >> Yes, but they aren't seat belts, and they don't affect in the least how >> far >> down the otsr goes. They're only function is to keep the otsr from >> coming >> up if, somehow, it was to come unlocked from position. Other than that, >> they do absolutely nothing, don't affect the size person that is able to >> fit on the coaster at all, and really for practical purposes they could >> be >> removed entirely and not affect the ride one bit. After all, remember >> that >> they operated for a while without the belts. > > What are you talking about? Of course they do. Their primary function is > to make sure the shoulder harness is down far enough! Hmm, guess I thought that's what the locking in position was supposed to do. If a harness wasn't down far enough, it wouldn't lock into position and be easily detectable when they checked them. Funny that they ran for over 2 years without the belts. Makes you wonder how they managed if the belts are so necessary to make sure they're down far enough, or perhaps it was just luck. [/slight sarcasm there] > Their secondary function is to prevent the shoulder harness from coming > all the way up should it unlock, but even in that situation the person > would probably still fall out or sustain serious injuries. I've seen several sources say that this is the only real purpose of the belts, to act as a redundant backup system in case for some reason they harnesses release. If it was a primary, then you simply wouldn't have had them operating without the belts for so long. And I'd have to disagree on your second premise to-if somehow the harness were to come undone, those belts would hold them relatively close to position, certainly low enough for anyone with a brain to grab onto the handles and pull it back down. Otherwise, following your scenario, I think we would have heard of a lot more injuries caused by this. And since I'm not aware of any... > The seatbelts are all a certain length, and often times people can't ride > because they can't buckle the seatbelt. No, they can't ride not because of the seatbelt, but because they can not get their otsr down far enough into a lockable position. The seatbelt may help reinforce where that position is, but it's the otsr locking, not the seatbelt, that is the important factor. > That's the whole reason B&M came out with extended "big boy" seats. If > someone is too large then they won't be able to buckle the seat belt, > which means the shoulder harness isn't down far enough, which means that > person can't ride. The big boy seats were, once again, around before those belts started popping up on the B&M's Chris, and again, they were provided to give more space for a person to allow the otsr to be able to lock into a safe position and allow them to ride. Your comments might hold water if the belts were originally installed on every B&M shoulder harness out there. But they weren't. Riddlers ran for several years without them, as did our Batman and several other B&M rides. Sorry, but they were added as a redundant safety feature as a backup to the otsr, which is the primary, not to make sure that the otsr was in the right position to begin with. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From lance@screamscape.com Wed Aug 13 00:19:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50545 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 07:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 07:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 07:19:49 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7D7Jkaq008662 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 90786 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 07:19:49 -0000 Received: from 2.146.8.67.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (67.8.146.2) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 07:19:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c3616b$39601920$02920843@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:19:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Your comments might hold water if the belts were originally installed on > every B&M shoulder harness out there. But they weren't. Riddlers ran for > several years without them, as did our Batman and several other B&M rides. Your right about Riddler... belts were added to the B&M Stand-Ups (which is just damn silly on those restraints) after that kid fell out of the Drop Zone at PGA, which also resulted in every Intamin drop ride adding seat-belts, which probably should have had them to begin with... But... if your talking about Batman at SFMM, I believe your wrong there. Batman at SFMM, as far as I can recall, had seat-belts from the start. The only B&M coaster (other than Stand-Ups) that I've ever seen run without seat-belts... and still does not have them, is Kumba at BGT. From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 13 07:57:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79603 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 14:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 14:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 14:57:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 1973 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Aug 2003 14:57:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20030813145742.1972.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:57:42 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "George Burnash" at Aug 12, 2003 10:19:13 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > What are you talking about? Of course they do. Their primary function is > > to make sure the shoulder harness is down far enough! > > Hmm, guess I thought that's what the locking in position was supposed to > do. If a harness wasn't down far enough, it wouldn't lock into position > and be easily detectable when they checked them. But if a harness is only latched on the first click, then there is no room for failure. If the harness is never above the second or third click, then it can jump up one or two positions while still being locked and holding rider in place. Like I said earlier, I don't know for certain what the primary function those belts serve .. but it seems very much like they exist mainly to ensure people never get one or two click rides. If the main purpose of those belts were as a backup in-case the restraint failed (and opened), then all B&M coasters would use them. If the Hypers and Flyers (that don't have those belts) have fail-safe restraints which will never fail, why not just install the same locking/ratchet mechs into all trains? Which would eliminate the need for the belts. However, the hypers and flyers DO have a method to make sure no-one gets one (or two) click rides .. so they don't need the belts. To me, this strongly implies that the main function for the belts is to ensure a certain number of clicks. > Funny that they ran for over 2 years without the belts. Makes you > wonder how they managed if the belts are so necessary to make sure > they're down far enough, or perhaps it was just luck. While it's obvious that you're being sarcastic, I think this point is further evidence that the belts are there to stop one-click rides. If there were there to stop total failures, then they would have been there from the beginning. However, it's likely that (at some point) B&M decided to eliminate all possibility of one (or two) click rides .. and thus the belts were added to pre-existing rides. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Doing the things * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A particle can. * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 08:54:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95638 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 15:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 15:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40018.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 15:54:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030813155452.28114.qmail@web40018.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40018.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:54:52 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/1060766436321490.xml Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law 08/13/03 ROBERT K. GORDON News staff writer Visionland's general manager pleaded guilty Tuesday to three counts of violating the state's child labor law for allowing minors to work past 9 p.m. District Judge Eric Fancher fined Terry Lee Mackey, 43, of Birmingham $250 on each case. Including court costs, the total fine came to $1,350. State law requires 14- and 15-year-olds to be off work by 9 p.m. during summer months and no later than 7 p.m. while school is in session. Visionland's water park usually closes at sundown, but the theme park is open until 10 p.m., and as late as midnight on weekends. Wolfgang Trammell, chief child labor inspector for the state Department of Labor, said Visionland had been repeatedly warned about violating the child labor law. "We talked to Visionland for months," Trammell said. "We warned them several times, but they ignored it." Court records show that Mackey was arrested and released from the county jail on July 1. "I regret that within the first 30 days of operation, some 15-year-old employees unknowingly worked longer hours than allowed," Mackey said in an e-mail to The Birmingham News. "This was prior to reporting systems and controls being in place. I now have controls in place to prevent this from happening again." Visionland should have known better, said state child labor inspector Robin Coleman. "They were familiar with what they needed to do," she said. "They blatantly ignored the law, so we had no choice." Trammell said the labor department recently concluded a weeklong investigation into the theme park. The investigation started after Visionland reported a minor slip-and-fall injury involving a 15-year-old employee. The accident happened at 1 a.m. while the child was attempting to clock out after his shift. Coleman said she collected the work records of teenagers under 16. Visionland was prosecuted on three cases, but there were more violations, Trammell said, including 14- and 15-year-olds working 14-hour shifts. State law says 14- and 15-year-olds cannot work more than eight hours a day during summer months. Visionland had at least 100 teenagers working there, including 40 or so 14- and 15-year-olds, at the time of the investigation, Trammell said. "The labor laws should be strictly adhered to," he said. "We make sure that we enforce them for the benefit of the teenager." ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Wed Aug 13 10:49:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70539 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 17:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 17:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 17:49:39 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX5.2/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h7DHnS554130 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:49:28 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Mini TR: SFGrAdv MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:49:33 -0400 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by Router on MAIL05.US.ABB.COM/SRV/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/13/2003 01:49:33 PM, MIME-CD complete at 08/13/2003 01:49:33 PM, Serialize by Router on ABB-US01-USMTP2/US01/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/13/2003 01:46:24 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: xblack7x@aol.com > Rolling Thunder Were both sides running? What side did you ride? I rode the right side for the first time in ten years last week, fantastic ride. That is the side that has been retracked, the other side has not yet. Can't wait until both sides are up to snuff. >>> No, just the far, left side. I, too, am waiting for both sides to be "up to snuff," but there's quite a lot of work to do before that happens. <<< > Ted's Grill (or some name like that) Philadelphia Magazine actually rated a South Jersey shop as having the best cheesesteak. Huh, you can get a good steak in Jersey, I'll stick to Geno's. >>> Actually, I think it was the Philadelphia Inquirer Magazine (RIP). And Geno's sucks, but not as much as Pat's. In any event, the ones at GrAdv won't be on anybody's top ten list. <<< How were the crowds? With the constant threat of rain crowds have been very light when I have been there. Good stuff. >>> We were there first thing on Sunday morning, and left by about 1pm. It's always light then, but I think the weather did keep even more people away. Except for S:UF, all the rides we went on were walk-ons, even Medusa. But I never got over to see Batman:TR or Chiller (I saw the Robin was running, I don't think Batman was). >>> <<< Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! >>> Jon Z (whose dog doesn't have opposable thumbs and rarely uses a chainsaw) From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Wed Aug 13 11:02:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57927 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 18:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 18:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ussmtp01.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 18:02:10 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com ([10.92.254.174]) by ussmtp01.us.abb.com (AIX5.2/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h7DI1x553284 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:01:59 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Realising my SUF anger MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:02:01 -0400 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by Router on MAIL05.US.ABB.COM/SRV/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/13/2003 02:02:01 PM, MIME-CD complete at 08/13/2003 02:02:01 PM, Serialize by Router on ABB-US01-USMTP2/US01/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/13/2003 01:58:55 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: coasterdude18@juno.com > I relized they added a trim brake in the pretzel knot loop because of > the g's > wich got me upset becfause it was better before the brakes. Can anyone else confirm this? The other two American B&M flyers don't have trims and I know the GAdv ride didn't when it opened. I also have not seen this anywhere else, so I'm a bit suspicious. >>> Not a solid confirmation, but, no, I don't think there are any trim brakes. I rode S:UF at GrAdv this past Sunday (Aug 10), and while I admit I wasn't looking for brakes, I certainly didn't notice any. In fact, as I mentioned, I thought the forces on the loop were greater than they had been on my previous ride a couple of months ago. Dainan, I noticed greater Gs in the back than in the front. Could that explain whey you felt the ride was less forceful? From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 12:04:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2065 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 19:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 19:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.19) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 19:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030813190441.94863.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:04:41 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: Dollywood's Thunderhead layout up To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Dollywood coaster diagram is at: http://www.greatcoasters.com/thunderhead.html Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 13 12:17:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1971 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 19:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 19:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 19:17:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2577 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Aug 2003 19:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030813191730.2576.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Dollywood's Thunderhead layout up To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:17:30 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20030813190441.94863.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com> from "Adam Sandy" at Aug 13, 2003 12:04:41 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Dollywood coaster diagram is at: > http://www.greatcoasters.com/thunderhead.html Wow .. That really does look like a Great coaster! Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** I don't want the world, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I just want your half. * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 15:12:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71181 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 22:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 22:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.164) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 22:12:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20030813221211.40302.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:12:11 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) To: rollercoaster talk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 I was just reading a thread on another site and someone said something that touched a chord with me. How are you all feeling about reading and writing TRs? Me? I'm currently in somewhat of a funk. Granted, I have not been to too many parks this year. but I do have comments on rides such as MegaZeph and S:UF that I *could* share, but dont feel like writing up a whole 'traditional' TR. Moreover, I find that more and more I *skim* the TRs of others rather than read them word for word. So how are you all 'doing' the TRs these days? lata, jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Aug 13 16:21:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36790 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 23:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2003 23:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 23:21:46 -0000 Received: from lorenzer [12.34.177.78] by mail.effingham.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6C9E1B00EC; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:16:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c361f1$a0c0ac20$4eb1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <20030813221211.40302.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:21:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Norris" > How are you all feeling about reading and writing TRs? Well...here's my 2 cents.. For those of us who are long-term members of this list; I must admit...many of the TRs that I read on this list mostly contain information that I already knew (a been there...done that sort of feeling.) This is why I usually just skim the TRs of parks that I have personally attended. (The exception here would be that sometimes it is interesting to read the thoughts of someone else who was visiting one of my "home parks" for the first time.) For those parks that I am unable to travel to, I usually read a little more carefully. Also...just my personal preference here....but I personally do not care for those TRs that are extraordinarily LOOOOONG. I know that I myself have been guilty of submitting long TRs more than once in the past, but that is the main reason why I usually submit my TRs in two installments. They are easier for me to write...and hopefully easier for others to read. Finally...I hope that we continue to see more well thought-out TRs in the future. I've said it before and I'll say it again...one of the main reasons that I joined this list in the first place (waaay back in the days of CoasterTalk) was becuase I wanted to learn some new things. Reading the TRs submitted by other members is one of the best ways to do that, IMHO. Jon Zerkel, not Zucker who is finally back up and running with internet service after a thunderstorm fried my modem at the end of July (I only had 499 RCT messages to sorth through! [read...mostly delete]) From bethtoons@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:07:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20885 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 00:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 00:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.229) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 00:07:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030814000724.9415.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.227.127.143] by web12606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:07:24 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c361f1$a0c0ac20$4eb1220c@lorenzer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons --- Jon Zerkel wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Norris" > > How are you all feeling about reading and writing > TRs? > Well...here's my 2 cents.. > > For those of us who are long-term members of this > list; I must admit...many > of the TRs that I read on this list mostly contain > information that I > already knew (a been there...done that sort of > feeling.) Agreed. I haven't been here nearly as long as you have, but I do tend to see a lot of the same stuff over and over again, and am guilty of writing the same stuff over and over again. As far as writing TRs goes, I've taken the attitude on that I may be writing the TR for the list as my audience, but I don't feel obligated to write the TRs for the list. I'm writing them for myself as a way to document my traveling this year. As soon as I start feeling like I'm obligated to write them for the list, I won't write them anymore because they'll feel more like homework and it'll suck the fun out of writing. I hhave just as much fun with a TR that I've written that has spawned several conversations as I do with one to which no one has replied. It's the English minor is me who is just looking for any old excuse and outlet to write. > Finally...I hope that we continue to see more well > thought-out TRs in the > future. I've said it before and I'll say it > again...one of the main reasons > that I joined this list in the first place (waaay > back in the days of > CoasterTalk) was becuase I wanted to learn some new > things. Reading the TRs > submitted by other members is one of the best ways > to do that, IMHO. I'll agree here too, and even though several people here do know one another and go to/read about the same parks over and over and over again doesn't mean that everyone else does. We've had several new people join the list, and TRs are a good way to pick up on some of the personality and preferences of the other members in addition to learning about parks and coasters. Beth - who is slightly behind in her TR writing... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:27:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9692 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 00:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 00:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40019.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.59) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 00:27:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030814002717.26234.qmail@web40019.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40019.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:27:17 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: TR's To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "As far as writing TRs goes, I've taken the attitude on that I may be writing the TR for the list as my audience, but I don't feel obligated to write the TRs for the list. I'm writing them for myself as a way to document my traveling this year. As soon as I start feeling like I'm obligated to write them for the list, I won't write them anymore because they'll feel more like homework and it'll suck the fun out of writing." Exactly. I do enjoy writing them and like to put it down as a way to remember my experiences. I hope that other people like reading my TR's, but it is no big deal to me (and I am not at all surprised if not many people read the entire Kentucky Fair Day TR I posted). As for Jeremy's question, I know that I often write a REALLY long TR for a park that I have not visited before, but often on subsequent visits I will write nothing, or perhaps just review a new-to-me aspect of the park, such as PKI and Delirium this year. The bottom line is, just write what you want. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Wed Aug 13 18:26:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86530 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 01:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 01:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop018.verizon.net) (206.46.170.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 01:26:34 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030814012633.NSAL11703.pop018.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:26:33 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] (unknown) References: <20030813221211.40302.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c361f1$a0c0ac20$4eb1220c@lorenzer> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:26:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000f01c361f1$a0c0ac20$4eb1220c@lorenzer> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:26:32 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:21:27 -0500, Jon Zerkel wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Norris" >> How are you all feeling about reading and writing TRs? I read every single one that is posted to the list. For parks that I haven't been to, it's a great way to get a feel for what visiting the park and riding it's coasters and rides are like. For ones I've been to, I love hearing what other people think and comparing that to my own. Really, about the only TR's I don't like are the ones have about six sentences that say, "We rode coaster A 2 times, then rode coaster b once. Then we had lunch. Then rode more rides, then left." I want to hear what people thought, felt, experienced and their opinions, even if they're short. The ones that don't do that just make me wonder what the point of them is. > > Also...just my personal preference here....but I personally do not care > for > those TRs that are extraordinarily LOOOOONG. I know that I myself have > been guilty of submitting long TRs more than once in the past, but that > is > the main reason why I usually submit my TRs in two installments. They are > easier for me to write...and hopefully easier for others to read. **Hides face in guilt and shame** I know that mine in particular tend to be especially long. Part of that is because, like Beth, I'm writing them up for our own records and memories. I actually print all of those monsters off and file them along with my park maps, tickets, and other stuff. Part of it to has been a growing frustration over my desire and pleasure in writing, but having any real outlets for it, and so some of that comes pouring out into the overly detailed reports. Not an excuse, just some of the reasons. Because I know that they've been getting so long recently, I've been debating what I want to do about future ones. I won't stop writing them, but I'm debating whether I should be posting them to the list, or maybe putting them up on some of my personal webspace and just providing a link to them so that they don't clog up others boxes. Heck, if I could just get one of those blogger services to work for me without deleting every third entry, I might just use that, but so far no luck. But I'm open to suggestions. > > Finally...I hope that we continue to see more well thought-out TRs in the > future. I've said it before and I'll say it again...one of the main > reasons > that I joined this list in the first place (waaay back in the days of > CoasterTalk) was becuase I wanted to learn some new things. Reading the > TRs > submitted by other members is one of the best ways to do that, IMHO. TR's are still my favorite part of the list, and possibly always will be. Hence why the friendly poking at people to put TR's up, even when others have recently submitted ones for the same parks. I really like hearing what people think about parks and rides, even if they feel like they're just repeating what others have said. There's always personal nuances at the least there. And the TR's are quite often the original sources of so many of the other conversations on the list. Long live the TR! keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Aug 13 20:22:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63889 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 03:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 03:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 03:22:10 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:22:10 -0700 Received: from 68.170.130.72 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:22:10 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Seat belts Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:22:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 03:22:10.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FAF0040:01C36213] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [68.170.130.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >Hmm, guess I thought that's what the locking in position was supposed to >do. If a harness wasn't down far enough, it wouldn't lock into position >and be easily detectable when they checked them. Funny that they ran for >over 2 years without the belts. Makes you wonder how they managed if the >belts are so necessary to make sure they're down far enough, or perhaps it >was just luck. >[/slight sarcasm there] That's the thing-- they're not NECESSARY because a ride operator should be able to use their discretion and tell when a guest is too large judging by how the shoulder harness is pulled down. They're simply an aid to the operator, because often times restraints (such as all new Intamin restraints) are locked as soon as they're pulled down. Just because the bar can ratchet (like on B&M rides) doesn't mean the bar is pulled down to a safe level. If their primary function is to make sure the lap bar doesn't fly up should it ever become unlocked, then as you said, why were they allowed to operate for so long without them? >I've seen several sources say that this is the only real purpose of the >belts, to act as a redundant backup system in case for some reason they >harnesses release. If it was a primary, then you simply wouldn't have had >them operating without the belts for so long. And I'd have to disagree on >your second premise to-if somehow the harness were to come undone, those >belts would hold them relatively close to position, certainly low enough >for anyone with a brain to grab onto the handles and pull it back down. >Otherwise, following your scenario, I think we would have heard of a lot >more injuries caused by this. And since I'm not aware of any... I'd like to see your sources then. All my sources (manufacturer's manuals, conference calls) show that their primary function is to ensure the shoulder harness is down far enough so a larger guest is ensured a safe ride. If the seat-belt won't latch, then the shoulder harness isn't down far enough-- but it's still locked--and that guest shouldn't be allowed to ride, because the bar isn't down to a safe level. I never said it was a primary restraint-- it's not. It's just a guide for the operator, and it also happens to serve the purpose of preventing a shoulder harness from opening all the way should it fail. But how often do they fail? Exactly. >No, they can't ride not because of the seatbelt, but because they can not >get their otsr down far enough into a lockable position. The seatbelt may >help reinforce where that position is, but it's the otsr locking, not the >seatbelt, that is the important factor. Well yes, that's basically what I said! The shoulder harness will still lock even if the seatbelt doesn't reach-- that's why the seatbelt is there. >The big boy seats were, once again, around before those belts started >popping up on the B&M's Chris, and again, they were provided to give more >space for a person to allow the otsr to be able to lock into a safe >position and allow them to ride. No, you're wrong. They were added AFTER seatbelts were installed. All B&M rides came with seatbelts from day 1, with the exception of the stand-up coasters (those seatbelts were added after the PKD accident) and the hyper-coasters, which have computer sensors to indicate whether or not the restraint is down far enough. I'm not sure how the flying coasters work. >Your comments might hold water if the belts were originally installed on >every B&M shoulder harness out there. But they weren't. Riddlers ran for >several years without them, as did our Batman and several other B&M rides. >Sorry, but they were added as a redundant safety feature as a backup to the >otsr, which is the primary, not to make sure that the otsr was in the right >position to begin with. Sorry, no. Batman opened with them. The original ride in Chicago opened with seatbelts in 1992, and so did every other subsequent installation. And the above paragraph totally destroys your argument! If they are so necessary to make sure the shoulder harness doesn't open during the ride, then why did B&M allow the stand-ups to open like that? It's not like one day they said "You know what? What if one of the shoulder harnesses opened up on one of our stand-up coasters? We better install seat belts." That's a decision you would make from Day 1 if those are the seatbelt's primary function. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From lance@screamscape.com Wed Aug 13 21:20:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2826 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 04:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 04:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 04:20:16 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7E4KCZ0049154 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 7080 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 04:20:16 -0000 Received: from 2.146.8.67.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (67.8.146.2) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 04:20:16 -0000 Message-ID: <011f01c3621b$4e0204a0$02920843@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20030813155452.28114.qmail@web40018.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:19:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law > > State law requires 14- and 15-year-olds to be off work > by 9 p.m. during summer months and no later than 7 > p.m. while school is in session. > > Coleman said she collected the work records of > teenagers under 16. Visionland was prosecuted on three > cases, but there were more violations, Trammell said, > including 14- and 15-year-olds working 14-hour shifts. > State law says 14- and 15-year-olds cannot work more > than eight hours a day during summer months. > > Visionland had at least 100 teenagers working there, > including 40 or so 14- and 15-year-olds, at the time > of the investigation, Trammell said. Okay, this is a little shocking to me... though maybe things are just "different" down in Alabama, but I always thought that you had to be 16 to have a job at a park... and at least 18 to work any ride. Or was this just a California/Florida thing? From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Aug 13 21:32:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66456 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.96) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:32:26 -0700 Received: from 68.170.130.72 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:32:25 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:32:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 04:32:26.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[1026AE90:01C3621D] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [68.170.130.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >Okay, this is a little shocking to me... though maybe things are just >"different" down in Alabama, but I always thought that you had to be >16 to have a job at a park... and at least 18 to work any ride. >Or was this just a California/Florida thing? Kids have to be 14 to get a job at a park in NY, 16 to operate kiddy rides, and 18 to operate adult rides. 14 year-olds primarily work in foods or retail (games and gift shops), but they can also work as a parking lot attendant, front gate attendant (ticket-taker, hand-stamper), or marketing surveyor. Kids can operate adult rides in New Jersey as soon as they turn 16, though. Labor laws are different by state, and apparently so are the penalties! I find it *SHOCKING* that the General Manager WENT TO JAIL for labor law violations! I don't think that would EVER happen anywhere else, and DEFINITELY not in NY! They would penalize the park/corporation, but not any individual! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From lance@screamscape.com Wed Aug 13 21:42:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37211 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 04:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 04:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 04:42:31 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7E4gRAG055453 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 21564 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 04:42:30 -0000 Received: from 2.146.8.67.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (67.8.146.2) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 04:42:30 -0000 Message-ID: <01da01c3621e$69826500$02920843@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:42:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > >Okay, this is a little shocking to me... though maybe things are just > >"different" down in Alabama, but I always thought that you had to be > >16 to have a job at a park... and at least 18 to work any ride. > >Or was this just a California/Florida thing? > > Kids have to be 14 to get a job at a park in NY, 16 to operate kiddy rides, > and 18 to operate adult rides. > Kids can operate adult rides in New Jersey as soon as they turn 16, though. > Labor laws are different by state, and apparently so are the penalties! Now one reason I find this shocking, was back when I spent some time working on a ride in my youth, I had to wait until I turned 18 to get the job because every ride worker (in California at least) had to be 18 because if you did something wrong that caused an accident, you needed to be old enough to be held legally responsible as an adult. Since that part of the law seems to be fairly universal in most cases across the country, I find it odd that other parks in other states would allow underage kids to run rides since there would be no way to place the blame on a minor if they caused a major accident by their actions or inactions. From supermanros@hotmail.com Wed Aug 13 23:01:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83722 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 06:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 06:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.124) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 06:01:37 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:01:37 -0700 Received: from 68.170.130.72 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:01:36 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:01:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 06:01:37.0316 (UTC) FILETIME=[85B8AE40:01C36229] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [68.170.130.72] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >Now one reason I find this shocking, was back when I spent some time >working >on a ride in my youth, I had to wait until I turned 18 to get the job >because every >ride worker (in California at least) had to be 18 because if you did >something wrong >that caused an accident, you needed to be old enough to be held legally >responsible >as an adult. Since that part of the law seems to be fairly universal in >most >cases across >the country, I find it odd that other parks in other states would allow >underage kids >to run rides since there would be no way to place the blame on a minor if >they caused >a major accident by their actions or inactions. A ride operator should never be held responsible. The corporation/park would get sued, but not an individual ride operator. If a ride operator caused an accident (which is pretty difficult to do today) then he/she would be dismissed from his/her job, but he/she should never be held responsible. They could very easily say they were poorly trained or that it was simply an accident. That's why parks have insurance for this kind of thing. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From burn.doug@verizon.net Wed Aug 13 23:28:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11000 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 06:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 06:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 06:28:18 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030814062817.YCWV14849.out004.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:28:17 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:28:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:28:16 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:01:36 -0400, Chris Kearsing wrote: > > A ride operator should never be held responsible. The corporation/park > would get sued, but not an individual ride operator. If a ride operator > caused an accident (which is pretty difficult to do today) then he/she > would be dismissed from his/her job, but he/she should never be held > responsible. They could very easily say they were poorly trained or that > it was simply an accident. That's why parks have insurance for this kind > of thing. I would have to disagree, depending on circumstances. If an accident happens due to the ride operator's negligence, then they most certainly should be held accountable-especially if it was egregious. As an example, let me refer back to my recent trip to SFMW. You may recall me mentioning the ops on Medusa being more interested in playing games with each other than operating the coaster. This included, but was not limited to, them running back and forth accross the train (not signaling each time) , lots of conversations and laughing instead of focusing on the trains, and a general lack of interest in what was going on. I could go into details, but I won't waste the time here, but I certainly notified the park management about it. If an accident had happened, it most certainly would have been the fault of the crew in that case. And when you're playing with people's lives, it should be worth a lot more to them than whether or not they lose their job over it. Their negligence was near criminal-and yes, I mean that in the legal sense. I think some would say the same about Adam's trip on the rapids at SFKK. Very simply, if they're going to be operating the ride, then they should be willing to be held responsible for doing it properly and accepting the consequences if they don't. If you're screwing around and it causes an injury or death, then you should be held legally responsible for that. If you are when you're driving a car or doing other things, I don't see why operating a roller coaster should be an exception. And getting back to the original, the manager had been warned several times. Repeatedly. And he still refused to take steps to correct the situation. He's the one in charge, and he refused to obey the law. The article even stated that they only pressed on 3 or 4 charges when they could have on a lot more. Maybe next time when he thinks that obeying the law isn't any big deal, he'll remember his time in jail and change. And that may well keep you or the next guest alive the next time George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From Xcoaster@juno.com Thu Aug 14 00:08:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35522 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 07:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 07:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 07:08:50 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWvb6TPsNXLWyBOoMNhvYgpRM1EwiBCjfRg==">; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:08:16 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7JBLDUF; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:08:16 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:55:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: TR's Message-ID: <20030813.235544.-1451307.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 10,31,37-39 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Good topic. I find that I try to do TRs for every new park I go to, and they do tend to be very long (my Epcot TR for example, and even there it could've been longer). However, after I go to a park for my first time, my return visit TRs will tend to be much shorter because I don't need to reiterate everything and they will mainly focus on what's new and my experience in general. Often I will not even do a TR for a park I've been to before if nothing interesting happened, but sometimes I still might do a short one if I'm bored in the off season when everyone else's parks are closed. Usually I will do a TR within a day or two of visiting the park in question, but when I wait longer than that I often don't get around to typing them. But recently I have gone to several new to me parks and I plan on doing TRs some time. I often do them mentally in my head and think about my comments, but then they do seem to be a sort of a chore to write up as they take me forever to type and remind me of school, so for about the past year I have been somewhat lax in typing them up, though I still do plan on doing/finishing the following TRs *someday*: Coaster Con 25 rundown (originally a TR for each day, now I might just type a quick "what I did" TR), Dorney, Hershey, KW, Coney Island, Funtown USA, Lake Compounce (already did my Boulderdash review as a school essay), Vegas Part 2 (anyone even remember Part 1?), SFMW, SCBB, IOA, BGT, Boomers!, and Lake Winnie. A few of these I have started (didn't realize I had that many....), but I really want to try to get at least some of these done. What's worse is that sometimes I find myself practically doing a whole TR in a single normal reply post, and then I'm not sure what to do for the actual TR (Coney Island, KW, Hershey, Dorney), or someone else types a TR with nearly the exact same opinions as me. I really would like to type them up, not just for you guys (though somewhat), as they do function as a nice record of my trip. In fact, I do look at some old ones from time to time to remember my opinions when I wrote them. Well, once I get really bored, the temperature is alright, and I'm not too tired, I may get some of these done, at least in a simplified form. I have however read every post on here ever since around the time that MF opened when I didn't care too much about coasters and I let all the messages pile up. And I still have 9 messages to read from several months ago regarding a huge TR that I never finished reading, but aside from that I think I've at least done a pretty thorough skim on all the messages from the past 3 years. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From gregory.mumma@fairfaxcounty.gov Thu Aug 14 05:10:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregory.mumma@fairfaxcounty.gov X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18697 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 12:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 12:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 12:10:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 12:10:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:10:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Roadside Sighting Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030812.122103.-1961949.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 515 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Greg Mumma" X-Originating-IP: 166.94.47.254 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124436945 X-Yahoo-Profile: caps_fan_2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Xcoaster@j... wrote: About a > year ago it did have some life as the former parking lot became home to > many construction vehicles, but that stint ended recently, and the only > life it seems to have now is that of the maintenance people that still > work there and a family that either seems to live in the old arcade or in > the old headquarters. How come maintenace people are working there if the park is not in operation? Greg Mumma Maryland Coaster Fanatic From bethtoons@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 08:00:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83151 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 15:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 15:00:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12604.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.227) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 15:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030814150041.76725.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.120] by web12604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:00:41 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TR: Jackson County Fair 08/05/2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I set out from home Tuesday night forgetting that the JCF offered two POP nights. I'd intended to stop into the fair, have a fair food dinner, and walk around a little. But with the POP, I figured I should probably just go ahead and get some rides in too. I got situated in a parking spot, had some breadsticks for dinner and picked up a wristband. This being my second year attending the JCF, I'm assuming Wade shows does something of a ride rotation for this fair, as there were several rides that weren't present last year that were here this year, and several I remember from last year that weren't here this year. There was no Zipper, or portable log flume, or Mega Drop this year. But I didn't recall the Larson Crazy Train, bumper boats, Chance Wipeout, Gravitron, or their portable coaster from last year either. Hopefully we'll at least see the Mega Drop again next year as I had really hoped to ride it again. I started the evening on the Ferris Wheel. Nothing unusual here, but it's not often I can get a good birds-eye view of the Jackson skyline. I headed next door to their Fabbri Crazy Dance themed to a Tornado and aptly called "Twister" complete with music and a "storm siren" that kicked in partway through each cycle. They ran a decent length cycle here with some good speed to the ride, so there was plenty of spinning and direction changing fun. Walking towards the KMG Spin Out, I noticed a large crowd headed towards that end of the midway and once I stopped to get in line, saw the first of several people I would see that evening being escorted off the fairgrounds in handcuffs. I rode the Spin Out last year as well, and while it's an interesting ride, the seats are exactly the same as what is used on the Afterburners and are not nearly as comfortable to ride in while being turned upside down. They offer a little too much room for movement, which is great for air on the Afterburners but not as comfortable on the Spin Out. I wanted to ride the Larson Crazy Train called "High Roller" because it looked interesting and I'd not seen one before, but it was one of a few rides that, I assume for capacity purposes, was strictly enforcing a no single rider policy and I was by myself. I headed over to the Wipeout next. This was by far the slowest run ride of this sort I've ridden before. There were no forces keeping me to the outside of the car, so I was sliding all over the seat during the short ride cycle. Needing to ride something I knew would be good, I headed to the other end of the midway and queued up for the Afterburner. They run a shorter cycle on this, but it's not a slower cycle, so it still performs well and these are one of my favorite flat rides. While I was in line, a rather large fistfight broke out on the loading platform for the ride. When the cops on site broke in to try and break it up, a couple of the kids took a few swings at the cops. So, I got to witness two more people being removed from the fairgrounds in handcuffs, followed by a mob of their friends who were yelling at the cops as they walked off. With the whole group of them out of the line, it shortened my wait considerably and I was on the ride in about a 2-cycle wait. They were enforcing the single rider rule on the portable coaster, so my last ride of the night was on the Zamperla Turbo Force. This is another rare opportunity for a bird's eye view of Jackson, and a fun ride. The dives and flipping and rocking that the cars at the end of each arm perform are fast and fun. And even with a low capacity, they are able to move people through the queue fairly fast. I'd had enough of the midway crowds after this ride, so I walked around the farm end of the fair, had some of the fresh made ice cream from the dairy farmer's booth that is set up each year, watched them auction off some of the livestock and walked through some of the 4-H exhibits before heading back to the car for home. It seemed to be a good fair this year. They brought in some decent acts for the main stage; I'm still kicking myself for not shelling out the money to see Sheryl Crow in my back yard. However, I think I may choose to spend a little extra money next year and catch the midway on a non-POP night when it's not as crowded as it was getting a little scary at some points Tuesday night with all the fighting and I suspect it doesn't attract the same sorts of crowds on the non-POP nights. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 08:01:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78427 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 15:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 15:01:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 15:01:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.166] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 15:01:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:01:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (unknown) TR's Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030814000724.9415.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Aslakson wrote: > > --- Jon Zerkel wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeremy Norris" > > > How are you all feeling about reading and writing > > TRs? > > > Well...here's my 2 cents.. <> > As far as writing TRs goes, I've taken the attitude on > that I may be writing the TR for the list as my > audience, but I don't feel obligated to write the TRs > for the list. I'm writing them for myself as a way to > document my traveling this year. (BETH) I'm almost in the same boat. I do write them for myself, first, as a memory page. Then I edit them for this group and other friends. I edit, because there are things I want to remember, but others won't find interesting, or a personal "TMI!" kind-of-thing. -Alan From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 08:11:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77018 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 15:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 15:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 15:11:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2003 15:11:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:11:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (unknown) TR's Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 538 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 One other thing. I do read the TR's. What I don't read are many of the responses like: "quote, quote, quote," Yeah, I like that too. "quote, quote, quote," LOL "quote, quote, quote," I agree etc. etc to adnausium, responding through the entire TR. These really add nothing to the conversation. If a person is going to respond, in this fashion, please add something interesting, or debatable. (This type of response also takes up allot of room in people's mailboxes. Keep what you want to respond to, and <> that rest.) -Alan From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 14 09:12:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66299 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 16:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 16:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 16:12:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 4319 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Aug 2003 16:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030814161234.4318.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: TRs To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:12:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Jeremy Wrote: > Me? I'm currently in somewhat of a funk. Me too .. but it goes well beyond trip reports. I'm generally feeling very apathetic towards coasters and parks in general. A topic I mentioned briefly a while back. The Lost Coaster weekend is coming up in just over a week, and I'm having a lot of trouble getting motivated for it (which is silly, considering it's less than three hours drive). I have been thinking about trying to make it to PPP (an event/park which I have never attended); but that means either jumping on a plane (a huge hassle), or a long drive. It just doesn't seem worth it, especially considering I'll likely be on my own. It's just that the whole industry (many enthusiasts included) seems to have turned into a "who has the biggest penis" competition, and I just can't be bothered getting caught up in such childish games. Sure, it's always been like that, but it seems so much more blatant now. As for the Trip Reports .. well, I seem to go in phases. Sometimes I only feel like reading about parks which I have never visited. Other times I only want to read about parks that I am familiar with. The thing is, I doubt that everyone will love every trip report posted here .. but every trip report will contain something that someone will enjoy. I can say that even if I do skip reading a trip report, I usually enjoy any discussion that it sparks. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 09:55:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63325 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 16:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 16:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 16:55:56 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:55:56 -0700 Received: from 24.50.145.168 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:55:55 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:55:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 16:55:56.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDB96060:01C36284] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.50.145.168] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >I would have to disagree, depending on circumstances. If an accident >happens due to the ride operator's negligence, then they most certainly >should be held accountable-especially if it was egregious. That's not the way it works, though. To clarify, I mean ride operators should never be held responsible if the laws in every state are the same. >As an example, let me refer back to my recent trip to SFMW. You may recall >me mentioning the ops on Medusa being more interested in playing games with >each other than operating the coaster. This included, but was not limited >to, them running back and forth accross the train (not signaling each time) >, lots of conversations and laughing instead of focusing on the trains, and >a general lack of interest in what was going on. I could go into details, >but I won't waste the time here, but I certainly notified the park >management about it. If an accident had happened, it most certainly would >have been the fault of the crew in that case. And when you're playing with >people's lives, it should be worth a lot more to them than whether or not >they lose their job over it. Their negligence was near criminal-and yes, I >mean that in the legal sense. No, what you describe is a result of poor training and inadequate supervision. If an employee isn't trained properly and isn't supervised well then they're not going to be held responsible. >Very simply, if they're going to be operating the ride, then they should be >willing to be held responsible for doing it properly and accepting the >consequences if they don't. If you're screwing around and it causes an >injury or death, then you should be held legally responsible for that. If >you are when you're driving a car or doing other things, I don't see why >operating a roller coaster should be an exception. Because it's TOTALLY different. You are operating your own car under your own power. If you're operating a ride then you're doing it the way a company representative has shown you and you're operating equipment that doesn't belong to you. It's not the same at all, legally or otherwise. >And getting back to the original, the manager had been warned several >times. Repeatedly. And he still refused to take steps to correct the >situation. He's the one in charge, and he refused to obey the law. The >article even stated that they only pressed on 3 or 4 charges when they >could have on a lot more. Maybe next time when he thinks that obeying the >law isn't any big deal, he'll remember his time in jail and change. And >that may well keep you or the next guest alive the next time Yes, but jail??? That's absolutely ridiculous. Sure, they should fine *VISIONLAND* (note: Not the GM!) for each labor law violation. I've seen parks pay tens of thousands of dollars in labor law violations, but not the General Manager him/herself! The company should have to pay the money and the park's management team should have to suffer the consequences of being reprimanded by upper management. It would be different if a park is privately owned (I'd hate to see Pat Koch go to jail!), in which case the park's owner would have to pay the fines, but NOBODY needs to go to jail as a result. That's how it works, plain and simple. That's fine if you disagree, but you're not in the industry. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From lance@screamscape.com Thu Aug 14 10:50:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94029 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 17:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 17:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 17:50:21 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7EHoH9g036951 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 5036 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 17:50:20 -0000 Received: from 2.146.8.67.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (67.8.146.2) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 17:50:20 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c3628c$77dcac00$02920843@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:49:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > >I would have to disagree, depending on circumstances. If an accident > >happens due to the ride operator's negligence, then they most certainly > >should be held accountable-especially if it was egregious. > > That's not the way it works, though. To clarify, I mean ride operators > should never be held responsible if the laws in every state are the same. I'm not sure about laws in diferent state, but I know from my own experiences that ride ops should be held responsible if it was proven that the accident was caused by incorrect actions they took, against company training. > No, what you describe is a result of poor training and inadequate > supervision. If an employee isn't trained properly and isn't supervised > well then they're not going to be held responsible. True... and this would hold up. If there was an accident, the park would be investigated first before it came down to blaming the ride ops. It would only come down to the point of a lawsuit against a ride op if it was proven through every level that their actions caused the problem. One example would be the ride op who caused her own death by jumping over the station tracks on Revolution at SFMM. She didn't cause any guest problems, but you can bet her family would have tried to sue the park on her behalf for getting killed on the job, but jumping over ride tracks is against the rules and as long as it is clear that she was trained how to cross the tracks the right way (through the train) them the blame would not be on the park. Slide this arguement to a ride that I have experience with... a Skyway/Skyride style aerial tram, similar to Ski Lifts. There are many ways ride operators though action or inaction could be held to blame in the case of an accident. There are not rides that you just push the green button to dispatch the car and forget about it... these are rides that need constant supervision to look for rocking cars, bad wind conditions, etc... so if a ride op chose to ignore a the warning sensor claiming that the winds were too high and a car blew off the cable... they should be held to blame. > >Very simply, if they're going to be operating the ride, then they should be > >willing to be held responsible for doing it properly and accepting the > >consequences if they don't. If you're screwing around and it causes an > >injury or death, then you should be held legally responsible for that. If > >you are when you're driving a car or doing other things, I don't see why > >operating a roller coaster should be an exception. > > Because it's TOTALLY different. You are operating your own car under your > own power. If you're operating a ride then you're doing it the way a > company representative has shown you and you're operating equipment that > doesn't belong to you. It's not the same at all, legally or otherwise. If you rent a car your driving a car that belongs to someone else, but if you cause an accident, you will be held responsible as the driver. You are right about the training... but as far as I know, all parks are big on paperwork for training purposes. You sign off on docments stating that you have been training to run a ride the way the park says it needs to be done, and if the accident was caused by an action that was not sanctioned by the official operations manual... then it becomes the ride ops fault and not the park's fault because they have the paperwork to say that they have done their best to train that operator properly. From supermanros@hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 11:09:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79561 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 18:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 18:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 18:09:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:08:38 -0700 Received: from 24.50.145.168 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:08:37 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:08:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 18:08:38.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[15CEB6E0:01C3628F] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.50.145.168] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >If you rent a car your driving a car that belongs to someone else, but if >you cause >an accident, you will be held responsible as the driver. You are right >about >the >training... but as far as I know, all parks are big on paperwork for >training purposes. >You sign off on docments stating that you have been training to run a ride >the way >the park says it needs to be done, and if the accident was caused by an >action >that was not sanctioned by the official operations manual... then it >becomes >the ride ops fault and not the park's fault because they have the paperwork >to say >that they have done their best to train that operator properly. Yes, parks are big on paperwork. But that still doesn't mean the ride operator is going to be held responsible. The park's insurance company is still going to pay the price. The ride operator will be dismissed from their job, but they're not going to suffer any other consequences, aside from possible time in court. They won't have to pay any fines out of their own pocket or go to jail. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Xcoaster@juno.com Thu Aug 14 12:33:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97791 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 19:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 19:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 19:33:54 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWiGKEMWXzd+/eBa5tqVC0jK9cf72K0JGsA==">; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:33:11 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7KM8C9M; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:33:11 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:44:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Roadside Sighting Message-ID: <20030814.123137.-1442027.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-23,34-36 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:10:34 -0000 "Greg Mumma" writes: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Xcoaster@j... wrote: > About a > > year ago it did have some life as the former parking lot became > home to > > many construction vehicles, but that stint ended recently, and the > > only > > life it seems to have now is that of the maintenance people that > still > > work there and a family that either seems to live in the old > arcade > or in > > the old headquarters. > > > How come maintenace people are working there if the park is not in > operation? > > Greg Mumma > Maryland Coaster Fanatic They are just trying to keep up the grounds for some reason, not let it too overgrown and such. I'm not totally sure who does the maintenance, but I've seen the guy who seems to be in charge there several times (he also runs the trailer park and avocado grove), the people that seem to live there may do maintenance, and I'm pretty sure they have a few people hired just to clean up. Why, maybe for presentation before they plow it over, or for people that buy the rides, maybe for the family that lives there, maybe they like to be tidy, or maybe they plan on doing something with it besides demolishing it. It's not a big park so it can't be too much trouble, and it's not like they keep it spotless. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Aug 14 16:41:02 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32395 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 23:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2003 23:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.67.16c7eb60 (16484) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67.16c7eb60.2c6d780a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:40:58 EDT Subject: Top Thrill Dragster Closed Today To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OMG, can you believe it? Top Thrill Dragster is closed!!! Never mind that Cedar Point doesn't have power, and neither do I, neither does most of the east coast. OMG OMG! Dragster is closed! it's all Intamin's fault! -Josh laptop and dial-up. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Thu Aug 14 18:11:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84352 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 01:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 01:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 01:11:52 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.131.22ab6f94 (4254) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <131.22ab6f94.2c6d8d52@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:11:46 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/12/2003 10:08:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, supermanros@hotmail.com writes: > >but it doesn't seem to offer anything (aside from > >enthusiast profiles, perhaps) > > Haha, and nobody's going to buy a magazine based on that! I remember some > ACE publication used to highlight certain members each issue, but I haven't > been an ACE member in several years. > > Can you imagine some of the profiles? ARNR would have a field day. =) ACE still does, and I think it is stupid. Very self glorifying. Who cares how many coasters you have been on, or what you do for a living. I think things like ride profiles and park reviews would be much more interesting, and the poster sounds like a great idea. I am sure there are plenty of parks that would "donate" a poster. Good advertising. In fact, that would be the key to making the mag work, getting the advertising. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 14 19:07:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81108 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 02:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 02:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 02:07:15 -0000 Received: (cpmta 8972 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 19:07:14 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.116 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.115) with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 19:07:14 -0700 X-Sent: 15 Aug 2003 02:07:14 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.219] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030814190714.16030.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think because many seem to feel that Amusement Today is a magazine meant for those who work in the industry and the 'upper echelon' of enthusiasts, if you know what I mean, as opposed to the general populace that are interested in parks, coasters, rides, etc. < But George, I honestly don't think the "general populace" cares enough about the amusement industry to have any interest in a monthly magazine. They're interested in the biggest or fastest or most extreme ride. They're not interested necessarily in history or construction or delving into the intricacies of the business. The people who *are* interested in that are enthusiasts. > I just haven't looked close enough at what Amusement Today offers, but I've always had the impression that for the most part is was "above me", as far as not being intended for someone of my interests or level. < Actually, it's mostly just ads intended for people in the business. > As for Inside Track, I always had the impression that was far more a problem with the guy that was publishing < Amusement Today, IMO, is identical in purpose, structure and layout to Inside Track. > I'm not familiar with At the Park, so I couldn't say on that one. < It was really a gem, absolutely the most beautifully photographed park magazine ever published. But it must have been monstrously expensive to produce. And it really had too narrow a base of readership. People in the business stuck with Amusement Business. As attractive as ATP was, there was no way it could find a big enough subscriber base, and it never seemed to pull in the number of ads that Amusement Today does. It was mostly a labor of love for Allen Ambrosini and his wife (two of the original ACErs). > Additionally, the enthusiast and interest groups I would say have grown over the last few years < No, I'd say the opposite. I think the enthusiast community (as far a clubs go) is steadily shrinking. I think there's a lot of activity on the Internet -- but enthusiast websites don't charge $50 a year for a subscription (yet). So when there are amazing free sites like the RCDB and Joyride with amazing photos, why spend the money on a club or magazine (unless you're an incorrigible collector, like me)? > Events that are open to the public and causual enthusiast (Winter Solace at Knott's, SRM, Coastermania) seem to be getting bigger and bigger-to the point where some complain that they're to big. That would indicate that more people have joined the groups, meaning a larger base of people to pull subscribers from. < Or it could be these are enthusiasts who were around but with the Internet are discovering more and more events (with ERT) that they can attend apart from a formal club event (which can be awfully expensive). And as many of you know, there are a lot of the same faces at many of the events. I don't know if that relatively small number of the populace is enough to support a monthly color magazine. Even though digital layout is fairly accessible now, the layout still has to be printed, bound and mailed and that's a really expensive process. If you don't take into account the pay for the people doing the writing, photography and layout, a thousand copies of a modest publication (8.5 x 11 page size, full color, about 50 pages) would cost conservatively about $6000-$8000 to print. Mailing would run about $2 per magazine. So to break even, you'd have to have at least 1000 subscribers paying about $8 - $10 an issue. That's why At The Park was a quarterly magazine. There aren't many people willing to drop about $100 a year for a park magazine. Jay, the resident curmudgeon From Rob@issler.com Thu Aug 14 19:20:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Rob@issler.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88175 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 02:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 02:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 02:19:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 02:19:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:19:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: GADV Power Loss Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 925 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Robert" X-Originating-IP: 68.84.237.177 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145455773 X-Yahoo-Profile: rob18940 Due to the massive power system failure affecting the north eastern part of the United States today Six Flags Great Adventure briefly lost power around 4:15 this afternoon (August 14th, 2003). According to park spokesperson Kristin Siebeneicher "Six Flags at Great Adventure in Jackson lost power for about 10 minutes, but no one got stuck on a ride." She added "Everything is back up and running, we ran safety checks on the rides." Siebeneicher said in the case of a power outage, rides finish their cycles, then stop. For example, a spinning ride will continue to spin, but will slowly come to a stop. Cycles can take up to a minute to finish. "Nobody was stuck on a ride. We have the means to take people off in a timely manner." All guests were safely walked down from the disabled rides, and after the power returned and safety checks were completed all rides re-opened. http://www.gadvcentral.com/ From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Aug 14 19:47:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17427 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 02:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 02:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 02:47:11 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.9.1725c4f0 (30960) for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9.1725c4f0.2c6da3ac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:47:08 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2003 9:13:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, xblack7x@aol.com writes: > ACE still does, and I think it is stupid. Very self glorifying. Who cares > > how many coasters you have been on, or what you do for a living. How is telling someone what you do for a living "very self glorifying"? Really, if you think about it, since they just answered a question, the "how many rides" thing really isn't either. I'm not an ACEr at the moment and I'm not the biggest fan of their politics/actions/etc.... but I see nothing wrong with having members fill out a survey - It's not self-glorification...it's a way of getting to know what other people are in to. I don't see how one could confuse the 2 - I guess some people just don't care about other people's lives and hobbies outside of the rollercoaster world.... Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From llindsay@shaw.ca Thu Aug 14 21:45:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: llindsay@shaw.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4992 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 04:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 04:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 04:45:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 04:45:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 04:45:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GADV Power Loss Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 376 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bluebender747" X-Originating-IP: 24.67.80.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92868951 X-Yahoo-Profile: bluebender747 The power failure affected Toronto too.... The Candian National Exhibition opens in Toronto tommorrow, meaning Conklin is busy setting up the midway. But with the power outage, how are they functioning? I think they have their own generators, but i also think they are partially dependent on city power. I don't really know how their power works... I'm curious to know! From llindsay@shaw.ca Thu Aug 14 22:00:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: llindsay@shaw.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78560 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:00:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:00:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 05:00:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:00:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01da01c3621e$69826500$02920843@cfl.rr.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 810 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bluebender747" X-Originating-IP: 24.67.80.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92868951 X-Yahoo-Profile: bluebender747 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > > >Okay, this is a little shocking to me... though maybe things are just > > >"different" down in Alabama, but I always thought that you had to be > > >16 to have a job at a park... and at least 18 to work any ride. > > >Or was this just a California/Florida thing? It's unusual here... Almost all jobs at West Edmonton Mall start at 15, and that includes ride ops. The ops on Mindbender are almost all under 18, but we have a lot of seniors as well, working mainly on the kiddie rides. Then again, the labour laws here are different. 12 - 15 year olds can work only 8 hours a day, and never between 9 pm and 6 am. 16 and 17 year olds can work after midnight only if accompanied by an adult, and with parental permission. From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 14 22:09:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38824 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:09:35 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030815050935.MVND29617.out003.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:09:35 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Top Thrill Dragster Closed Today References: <67.16c7eb60.2c6d780a@aol.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:09:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: <67.16c7eb60.2c6d780a@aol.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:09:34 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:40:58 EDT, wrote: > OMG, can you believe it? Top Thrill Dragster is closed!!! Never mind that > Cedar Point doesn't have power, and neither do I, neither does most of > the east coast. OMG OMG! Dragster is closed! it's all Intamin's fault! Methinks that someone was really bored in the dark. :) keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From llindsay@shaw.ca Thu Aug 14 22:24:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: llindsay@shaw.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77618 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:24:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 05:24:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 05:24:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TRs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030814161234.4318.qmail@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bluebender747" X-Originating-IP: 24.67.80.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92868951 X-Yahoo-Profile: bluebender747 I usually read into them a bit... if it's boring, I'll stop reading. I like the ones with more of a personal aspect, not just the information about the park. It also depends on the park... Most of the Six Flags ones are similar, I like reading the ones from the smaller parks. Unless it's from SFKK... because those always give bad reviews and they're always hilarious to read. And in case you're wondering Adam... you aren't the only one reading the ones from the fair! Those are my favourites, IMHO carnivals are better then amusement parks. See my next post. From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 14 22:26:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9705 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop016.verizon.net) (206.46.170.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:26:57 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030815052656.OTMS10125.pop016.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:26:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:26:57 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiasts help needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <20030814190714.16030.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030814190714.16030.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:26:55 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT), wrote: >> I think because many seem to feel that Amusement Today is a > magazine meant for those who work in the industry and the > 'upper echelon' of enthusiasts, if you know what I mean, as > opposed to the general populace that are interested in parks, > coasters, rides, etc. < > > But George, I honestly don't think the "general populace" > cares enough about the amusement industry to have any interest > in a monthly magazine. They're interested in the biggest or > fastest or most extreme ride. They're not interested > necessarily in history or construction or delving into the > intricacies of the business. The people who *are* interested > in that are enthusiasts. Looks like I muddled my words a bit there. The general populace I was refering to wasn't the general public, it was the majority of people frequenting the coaster/ park internet sites and in the clubs. For most of us, Amusement Today isn't going to be of much interest because we're not "in the industry". I'm not looking for ways to save money on selling park food or buying amusement rides. That's the people who actually work the industry, and a very select few enthusiasts. For the vast majority of the enthusiast and interest crowd, I haven't gotten the impression that there was a lot in Amusement today to interest them since they're not who the magazine is aimed at. Most of us are going to care less at what interests the parks' managers, planners, and order departments. >> I just haven't looked close enough at what Amusement Today > offers, but I've always had the impression that for the most > part is was "above me", as far as not being intended for > someone of my interests or level. < > > Actually, it's mostly just ads intended for people in the > business. Hence reinforcing my whole point. It's not going to be of much interest for the vast majority of us that like coasters. This new magazine, however, looks like it would be different. >> I'm not familiar with At the Park, so I couldn't say on that > one. < > > It was really a gem, absolutely the most beautifully > photographed park magazine ever published. It was mostly a labor > of love for Allen Ambrosini and > his wife (two of the original ACErs). Sounnds like it was to bad that I missed it then. > >> Additionally, the enthusiast and interest groups I would say > have grown over the last few years < > > No, I'd say the opposite. I think the enthusiast community > (as far a clubs go) is steadily shrinking. I think there's a > lot of activity on the Internet -- but enthusiast websites > don't charge $50 a year for a subscription (yet). So when > there are amazing free sites like the RCDB and Joyride with > amazing photos, why spend the money on a club or magazine > (unless you're an incorrigible collector, like me)? ACE has been steadily growing over the last several years. If anything the interest on the internet has stirred more memberships to it. But yes, at the same time, there are some that have quit the clubs because they can get much of the info free on the web. But the enthusiast community is far from being limited to those in the clubs. There are a large number of people who are certainly enthusiasts who aren't members of clubs for a variety of reasons (several on our list come to mind right away). But especially with the internet the number of people interested in increasing. And a print magazine can offer a lot that an internet site can't. In depth interviews are going to be easier for a magazine with a circulation to obtain than a site as it has more credibility in the eyes of many. Other features that it can offer would possibly never turn up on the web. And if you've taken their little interview, you can see some of the ideas that they have that you just don't find on the web. > Or it could be these are enthusiasts who were around but with > the Internet are discovering more and more events (with ERT) > that they can attend apart from a formal club event (which can > be awfully expensive). And as many of you know, there are a > lot of the same faces at many of the events. I don't know if > that relatively small number of the populace is enough to > support a monthly color magazine. I know at Solace that a very large portion of those attending are locals, with those from out of the Southern California area being a fairly small number. And I know that a great many of them are like me-5 years ago we were totally unaware of "coaster enthusiasm", ACE, or anything like that while now are very interested and active. > > Even though digital layout is fairly accessible now, the > layout still has to be printed, bound and mailed and that's a > really expensive process. If you don't take into account the > pay for the people doing the writing, photography and layout, a thousand > copies of a modest publication (8.5 x 11 page size, > full color, about 50 pages) would cost conservatively about > $6000-$8000 to print. Mailing would run about $2 per > magazine. So to break even, you'd have to have at least 1000 > subscribers paying about $8 - $10 an issue. That's why At The > Park was a quarterly magazine. There aren't many people > willing to drop about $100 a year for a park magazine. True. But I've also got a pretty good feeling that they can get a lot more subscriptions than 1000, just based on the interest I've seen on a couple of the sites I frequent. If they can get some advertising to bring those costs down, and perhaps start as a quarterly or bimonthly magazine, with some good leadership it is indeed possible. Consider, for instance, that ACE alone has over 8000 members right now, then you start adding in the other clubs, conservatively estimating I would say that you could at least double or triple that number of just club memberships. Add in those that are not members, which is the vast majority of those active online, and there is a decent sized pool of people to draw from. The keys will be making it affordable and getting the word out. At least in my mind. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 14 22:50:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9762 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 05:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out005.verizon.net) (206.46.170.143) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:50:12 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030815055011.BYCJ15786.out005.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:50:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:50:12 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:50:10 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:55:55 -0400, Chris Kearsing wrote: > >> I would have to disagree, depending on circumstances. If an accident >> happens due to the ride operator's negligence, then they most certainly >> should be held accountable-especially if it was egregious. > > That's not the way it works, though. To clarify, I mean ride operators > should never be held responsible if the laws in every state are the same. Sorry, but if a ride operator knowingly does something wrong that violates safety procedures and that results in injury or death, then they absolutely should be held responsible. The park is not the one making them violate those procedures, they are. I'm sick of people refusing to accept responsibility for their actions. You screw up when you know better, it's your fault and you should reap the results of that. The park to, but a guilty employee shouldn't be sheltered from the consequences of their actions. > > No, what you describe is a result of poor training and inadequate > supervision. If an employee isn't trained properly and isn't supervised > well then they're not going to be held responsible. No, what I described is NOT the result of poor training, as I've seen these same ops do their job quite efficiently. What I desribed was several employees far more interested in goofing off and having fun than being safe-including their lead who was on the panel at the time. You can be sure they wouldn't have been acting like that if a park manager or area supervisor had been nearby, but you can't expect them to stand there all the time making sure they behave either. These employees knew better, that was plainly obvious, but they chose anyways to disregard normal safety procedures. If something had happened, then they should be held responsible for making their choice. That's in addition to the park. As far as I'm concerned, excusing that is just as bad. > > Because it's TOTALLY different. You are operating your own car under your > own power. If you're operating a ride then you're doing it the way a > company representative has shown you and you're operating equipment that > doesn't belong to you. It's not the same at all, legally or otherwise. No, it is not totally different. For you to operate a car, you have to have completed a training program (driver's ed), completed a written test showing your knowledge, then proven to the state that you are qualified and able to operate that piece of machinery safely. In much the same way for someone to operate a coaster they are taken through a training period, shown how to operate it safely, tested, observed, and qualified to operate that machinery safely. If afterwards they choose to ignore or blatantly disregard what they were taught, they're responsible. Simple as that. > > Yes, but jail??? That's absolutely ridiculous. Sure, they should fine > *VISIONLAND* (note: Not the GM!) for each labor law violation. I've seen > parks pay tens of thousands of dollars in labor law violations, but not > the General Manager him/herself! The company should have to pay the money > and the park's management team should have to suffer the consequences of > being reprimanded by upper management. It would be different if a park is > privately owned (I'd hate to see Pat Koch go to jail!), in which case the > park's owner would have to pay the fines, but NOBODY needs to go to jail > as a result. Ohhh, a reprimand. That'll really show a GM why he should obey the law. What a horrible consequence of knowingly and repeatedly breaking the law. C'mon Chris. This guy is the one responsible for enforcing the law in the park he is running. He was repeatedly told, personally (read the article), that they were violating the labor laws and to stop it. He was repeatedly warned of the consequences if he didn't do so. He chose to not do anything to correct the situation. He chose to keep breaking the law, or allowing it to be broken when he could have prevented it. Over and over and over. It was his choice, as the GM, to do that, so as a result of his choice, he gets the punishment. Sorry Chris, but he's the violator here. The park's fault is for employing him, but if upper management are unaware of what's going on, they can't exactly stop it until after the fact. Personally I would like to see more people actually held responsible for their actions instead of all this crap about it not being a person's fault but lets stick it to the company for a ton of money instead. > That's how it works, plain and simple. That's fine if you disagree, but > you're not in the industry. Oh, yeah, there's a good argument. "You're not in the industry". So does that mean that since I'm not a politician I can't tell when one is screwing up? Since I'm not a cop, I guess I can't say anything when one abuses their authority? I could go on, but suffice to say that's one of the lamest cop-outs I've heard. No, what you said is not how it always works. It should be plain and simple, but not in the fashion you're describing. You're right, I do disagree, and vehemently so. And so does the law. Or perhaps you're not familiar with the fiasco's over B&B Amusements, where the owner and inspector were both held guilty of manslaughter charges http://members.aol.com/rides911/himalaya.htm And that's not the only case where a ride operator has been help criminally responsible for their actions at the helm of a ride. You violate the law, you should be held responsible. Not just excused for your job or reprimanded. Simple as that. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From llindsay@shaw.ca Thu Aug 14 23:16:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: llindsay@shaw.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87918 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 06:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 06:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 06:16:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.254] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 06:16:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:16:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: Why I like fairs more than amusement parks... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2708 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bluebender747" X-Originating-IP: 24.67.80.65 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92868951 X-Yahoo-Profile: bluebender747 I guess I am kind of biased on this issue, since it was carnivals that got me into coasters in the first place. A disclaimer so nobody jumps all over me.... these are just my opinions, and I have a feeling that quite a few of you will disagree. So remember, there's no such thing as a wrong opinion :-) It also completely depends on the park. It would be crazy to say that a 40-miler is better than Disneyland. But here, I'm really torn between Galaxyand and Klondike Days. I know this must make you think that Galaxyland is a really bad park. I can't say enough good things about it, but our carnival is really top-notch! The midway is supplied by Conklin Shows, and they do an excellent job of it. Their rides are amazing, their carnies are polite, the midway is clean, their prizes are decent... what can I say? There's free entertainment all day,with big acts at night, and a different featured country every year. Our fair isn't too big, anual attendance hits around the 750,000 mark for the 10 days of the fair. It's also not that expensive, you can get anadvance POP pass for $27, valid for admission and unlimited rides any day. But for me, the carnival brings so much more than Galaxyland. We've got an amazing coaster... but that's about it. Besides, amusement parks feel so corporate next to a carnival... Imagine this. It's a carnival night, and the stars shine in the velvet sky, broken by the sounds of children screaming, and the lights, always the lights, spreading colour in every direction. It all whirls in a circle around you, and you are always the center. Every carny and food vendor seems to be calling to you alone, and the rides scream along with the people on them. Poor unsuspecting folk, they don't know that the slow looking hunk of metal called something like `The Caterpillar' feels like its moving faster than the speed of light. Of course, you stupidly get on, and it then proceeds to spin and twirl you around until you yell to the ride op that you want to stop, and get off, but instead he just gives you a cruel smile and speeds up the ride. After the ride op has stopped his torture, you get off, a quivering mass of flesh,who then jumps straight back in line, anxious to do it all over again. This release is important to me. I live for the weekend, when I can at least go to Galaxyland. The rides are safe, but the spirit is more corporate, not personal like a carnival. This probably doesn't make very much sense... but I'm really tired so my brains kinda fried. I'm curious to see what you guys think though. I'm still writing my TR from K-days, and I still haven't sent my pictures to Adam for Flatrides.com. I will soon though. From rumors@absolutelyreliable.com Fri Aug 15 06:34:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rumors@absolutelyreliable.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75773 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 13:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 13:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO meson.liquidweb.com) (64.91.233.95) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 13:34:40 -0000 Received: from wc.com ([66.95.69.30] helo=WCHILDS) by meson.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19neiw-0000hD-18 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:34:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c36331$fa1a22b0$a90c10ac@wc.com> To: References: <1060939489.388.10049.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: On individual liability Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:34:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - meson.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - absolutelyreliable.com From: "ARN&R" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131811069 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm On the issue of individual liability for actions during employment, there are two issues. First is civil liability. Under virtually every tort system, an individual can be held liable for his conduct even while at work. At the same time, the incentives are much more in place to go after the employer, who -- so long as the person is acting within the ordinary scope of his employment -- is also responsible (financially) for the conduct. But it's joint liability, so (in this context) generally you can sue the park, the employee, or both. The employee is not generally going to have the deep pockets like the company, so why bother suing them? Second is criminal liability. Again, individual liability can attach, it just depends on the context. In child labor laws, individuals are very frequently on the hook because the fines are often not nearly enough to create a disincentive for the company, whereas the threat of jail time for a manager can be a pretty good disincentive. It's also because child labor is a Bad Thing (tm) and legislatures have decided it shouldn't just be fines against companies. -B From bethtoons@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 06:39:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39151 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 13:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 13:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12604.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.227) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 13:39:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815133957.96901.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.120] by web12604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:39:57 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TR: Wyandot Lake 08/09/2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I'd planned to do a Southern Ohio trip at some point this summer anyway, so when I saw the Wyandot regional ACE event and realized it was the same weekend as Family Day at Stricker's Grove, it seemed like the ideal weekend to go. Throw a couple half days at PKI in the middle of it all and it made for a full weekend trip. Friday night I drove to Columbus, made plans to meet up with some friends who lived in the area, found out that my brother was in Dayton that weekend, so made plans with him to stop by out of my way from Columbus to Cincinnati and made plans to meet Brian, J and William at PKI late Saturday afternoon. Saturday morning, I was up bright and early and out the door for Wyandot. This park is primarily a water park, with a handful of flat rides and a small wooden coaster, the Sea Dragon, tossed in the middle of it all. I paid my $3 to park, the park shares parking with the Columbus Zoo, found the ACE Rep to sign in, and waited with the others for the 9:45 am walkback to the coaster. There were only about 20-25 people at the event. We were walked through the entrance and walked back to the coaster for the first rides of the day. Because the skies were overcast and people don't tend to show up at water parks really early in the morning, our walkback was essentially ERT for about half an hour. The coaster here is a mirror image of the Beastie at PKI and reminded me of a larger scale model of the Little Dippers at Hillcrest and Kiddieland. It was a reasonably smooth, cute little coaster. I took 4 or 5 rides over the course of the morning. After the first few rides on the coaster, I crossed the midway and took a ride on the carousel. The carousel had no carousel music, they were piping in what was probably radio, so I rode to a Meatloaf song, bleh. And, this is the only carousel I've ever been on that jackhammered. There was a hesitation in the mechanism on the horse, so every time the arm turned over, it would shudder and bounce, which does not make for a comfortable ride. I wandered back to their flats and took a spin on their Tilt-a-whirl and their octopus before heading to the Ferris wheel. The line here took a while, and with a single operator who had to relatch the entrance and exit gates each time he loaded a car, it was a long, slow cycle. I'd hoped to get in another ride on the coaster before the meeting at 11:30, but by the time I was off the Ferris wheel it was 11:30. So, I headed to the designated meeting place. The So OH rep gave a quick talk about what stuff was going on in the area and talked about potential for other So OH events, etc before getting into raffling off a bunch of stuff they'd gotten from area parks. There were more raffle items than people in attendance, so he combined some stuff and everyone won something. I ended up with a Cedar Point video. He wrapped things up around noon and once the meeting adjourned I headed out to the car and got on the road towards Dayton. Wyandot was a quick park, with just the one coaster. I couldn't see spending more than half a day here unless I was covering the water park part too. The layout doesn't instantly lend itself to easy expansion because the water rides sort of wrap around the amusement rides, so there isn't much to distinguish the "water park" from the "amusement park". But I think it is a nice compliment park to the zoo next door. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 15 07:35:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41225 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:35:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:35:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.167] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:35:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:35:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (unknown) TR's Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 994 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > One other thing. I do read the TR's. > What I don't read are many of the responses like: > > "quote, quote, quote," > Yeah, I like that too. > "quote, quote, quote," > LOL > "quote, quote, quote," > I agree > > > etc. etc to adnausium, responding through the entire TR. These really > add nothing to the conversation. If a person is going to respond, in > this fashion, please add something interesting, or debatable. > (This type of response also takes up allot of room in people's > mailboxes. Keep what you want to respond to, and <> that rest.) amen alan. along the same lines are the responses that feature a large amount of inside jokes that no one gets but the few folks who know each other here personally. dont get me wrong, i think its great when people from here can get together at parks, but then to throw a bunch of inside stuff that happened into someone's TR is rather annoying. From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:39:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39714 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:39:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.112] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:39:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:39:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9.1725c4f0.2c6da3ac@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 744 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/2003 9:13:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > xblack7x@a... writes: > SNIP < > How is telling someone what you do for a living "very self glorifying"? > Really, if you think about it, since they just answered a question, the "how > many rides" thing really isn't either. I'm not an ACEr at the moment and I'm > not the biggest fan of their politics/actions/etc.... but I see nothing wrong > with having members fill out a survey Except for the fact that it's not survey. It's people writing a short (or not) bio of themselves, by themselves, and the sending it in to be published. There has to be a bit of ego going on for someone to do that. -Alan From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 15 07:39:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89817 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:39:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:39:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:39:30 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: TRs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030814161234.4318.qmail@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2005 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, cameron@b... wrote: > > Jeremy Wrote: > > Me? I'm currently in somewhat of a funk. > > Me too .. but it goes well beyond trip reports. I'm generally > feeling very apathetic towards coasters and parks in general. A > topic I mentioned briefly a while back. The Lost Coaster weekend > is coming up in just over a week, and I'm having a lot of trouble > getting motivated for it (which is silly, considering it's less > than three hours drive). > > I have been thinking about trying to make it to PPP (an event/park > which I have never attended); but that means either jumping on a > plane (a huge hassle), or a long drive. It just doesn't seem worth > it, especially considering I'll likely be on my own. > > It's just that the whole industry (many enthusiasts included) seems > to have turned into a "who has the biggest penis" competition, and > I just can't be bothered getting caught up in such childish games. > Sure, it's always been like that, but it seems so much more blatant > now. im glad im not the only one that feels this way. ive been quite busy this summer and have had a lot on my mind, and reeeaallly long discussions about mundane coaster factoids have started to bore me as of late(and no, i wont point out any examples, but you know what i mean). i guess while i consider myself an enthusiast, im not an ENTUSIAST, if you get my drift. > As for the Trip Reports .. well, I seem to go in phases. Sometimes > I only feel like reading about parks which I have never visited. > Other times I only want to read about parks that I am familiar with. > > The thing is, I doubt that everyone will love every trip report > posted here .. but every trip report will contain something that > someone will enjoy. I can say that even if I do skip reading a > trip report, I usually enjoy any discussion that it sparks. > > my 2 cents on TR's-like any other post, if i think you should write whatever you want; i can always just skip it. From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 15 07:41:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43462 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:41:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:40:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:40:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Top Thrill Dragster Closed Today Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <67.16c7eb60.2c6d780a@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 399 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@a... wrote: > OMG, can you believe it? Top Thrill Dragster is closed!!! Never mind that > Cedar Point doesn't have power, and neither do I, neither does most of the east > coast. OMG OMG! Dragster is closed! it's all Intamin's fault! really? i thought it was Gray Davis' fault! everything else is! so, does anyone know if any parks lost power? From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 15 07:44:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44060 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:43:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:43:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:43:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <131.22ab6f94.2c6d8d52@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1197 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, xblack7x@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/2003 10:08:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > supermanros@h... writes: > > > >but it doesn't seem to offer anything (aside from > > >enthusiast profiles, perhaps) > > > > Haha, and nobody's going to buy a magazine based on that! I remember some > > ACE publication used to highlight certain members each issue, but I haven't > > been an ACE member in several years. > > > > Can you imagine some of the profiles? ARNR would have a field day. =) > > ACE still does, and I think it is stupid. Very self glorifying. Who cares > how many coasters you have been on, or what you do for a living. I think > things like ride profiles and park reviews would be much more interesting, and the > poster sounds like a great idea. I am sure there are plenty of parks that > would "donate" a poster. Good advertising. In fact, that would be the key to > making the mag work, getting the advertising. more than anything else, id love to see a big 2-page pullout poster of a coaster in each issue, just like, uhh.."those" kinds of magazines..you know, the ones guys only get for the "articles"! From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 15 07:48:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54940 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:48:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:48:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9.1725c4f0.2c6da3ac@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1449 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/2003 9:13:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > xblack7x@a... writes: > > > ACE still does, and I think it is stupid. Very self glorifying. Who cares > > > > how many coasters you have been on, or what you do for a living. > > How is telling someone what you do for a living "very self glorifying"? > Really, if you think about it, since they just answered a question, the "how > many rides" thing really isn't either. I'm not an ACEr at the moment and I'm > not the biggest fan of their politics/actions/etc.... but I see nothing wrong > with having members fill out a survey - It's not self- glorification...it's a > way of getting to know what other people are in to. > I don't see how one could confuse the 2 - I guess some people just don't care > about other people's lives and hobbies outside of the rollercoaster world.... > i dont think thats the issue. knowing what you know about certain ACE members, you know that there will be some major bragging going on if members are sending in profiles of themselves. now if the profiles contained NOTHING about how many times theyve ridden coaster A or that sort of thing, and more about other non-coaster related information, i think that would be ok. but personally i really dont want to hear about all the ERT time theyve had this year or how they call their 1982 Honda Civic "Nitro". From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:51:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8266 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:51:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:51:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:51:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 970 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, George Burnash wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT), wrote: >>SNIP<< > > > > >> Additionally, the enthusiast and interest groups I would say > > have grown over the last few years < > > > > No, I'd say the opposite. >>SNIP< > there are amazing free sites like the RCDB and Joyride with > > amazing photos, why spend the money on a club or magazine > > (unless you're an incorrigible collector, like me)? > > ACE has been steadily growing over the last several years. Just consider how popular the Discovery Channel's "Chills Thrills & Spills", "Top 10: Roller Coasters", "Top 10: Extreme Parks", etc, etc. have become. I do think it shows a general increase in the general public's interest in Parks and Coasters. One could compare this to the 1st Golden Age of Roller Coasters, and say that this is the Second. I believe that I have heard that term used, too. -Alan From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 15 07:56:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66990 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 14:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 14:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 14:56:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 14:56:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:56:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2643 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, George Burnash wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:07:09 -0700 (PDT), wrote: > > >> I think because many seem to feel that Amusement Today is a > > magazine meant for those who work in the industry and the > > 'upper echelon' of enthusiasts, if you know what I mean, as > > opposed to the general populace that are interested in parks, > > coasters, rides, etc. < > > > > But George, I honestly don't think the "general populace" > > cares enough about the amusement industry to have any interest > > in a monthly magazine. They're interested in the biggest or > > fastest or most extreme ride. They're not interested > > necessarily in history or construction or delving into the > > intricacies of the business. The people who *are* interested > > in that are enthusiasts. > > Looks like I muddled my words a bit there. The general populace I was > refering to wasn't the general public, it was the majority of people > frequenting the coaster/ park internet sites and in the clubs. For most of > us, Amusement Today isn't going to be of much interest because we're not > "in the industry". I'm not looking for ways to save money on selling park > food or buying amusement rides. That's the people who actually work the > industry, and a very select few enthusiasts. For the vast majority of the > enthusiast and interest crowd, I haven't gotten the impression that there > was a lot in Amusement today to interest them since they're not who the > magazine is aimed at. Most of us are going to care less at what interests > the parks' managers, planners, and order departments. ok, let me ask a question to everyone here. it seems to me that there are different levels of interest here. first, the people who are literally on the inside of the industry, the ones most of the magazines about coasters are for right now. then there are enthusiasts. and finally the general public. with me? ok so, just like their are mags for skateboarding, skiing, etc., couldnt there be a magazine for coasters along those same levels? like for enthusiasts, but one that doesnt speak complete greek so that the general public might at least pick up an issue and flip through it at the local newstand? could a publication like that exist, or would the enthusiast aspect of the magazine be too overpowering? i would think not, based on the popularity of the coaster/themepark shows on channels like The Travel Channel and Discovery. so could a GP/Enthusiast hybrid magazine successfully exist without specifically catering to just one or the other? From dreamwave6@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 08:45:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dreamwave6@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82944 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 15:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 15:45:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12805.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 15:45:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815154541.11823.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.204.123.141] by web12805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:45:41 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Top Thrill Dragster Closed Today To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: dreamwave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=107489 X-Yahoo-Profile: dreamwave6 Actually, I heard that this whole black out deal is Gray Davis' fault, at least in an indirect way. Since he pretty much has no chance of keeping his job here in California, he's considering moving to the Northeast like his buddies Hill-Billy Clinton did in 2000. So, they staged these blackouts to see how well people in the Northeast can deal with large-scale blackouts. Since people dealt pretty well, Gray can now move to one of the states in the Northeast, setup shop, get elected based on lies and deceit and then negotiate new contracts with energy contracts which will ultimately result in large-scale rolling blackouts. --- Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@a... > wrote: > > OMG, can you believe it? Top Thrill Dragster is > closed!!! Never > mind that > > Cedar Point doesn't have power, and neither do I, > neither does most > of the east > > coast. OMG OMG! Dragster is closed! it's all > Intamin's fault! > > really? i thought it was Gray Davis' fault! > everything else is! > > so, does anyone know if any parks lost power? > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Fri Aug 15 09:27:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9707 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 16:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 16:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO USSMTP04.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 16:27:19 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [10.92.254.174]) by USSMTP04.us.abb.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.4) with ESMTP id V7FG0SCI05157 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:28:12 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GADV Power Loss MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:27:08 -0400 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by Router on MAIL05.US.ABB.COM/SRV/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/15/2003 12:27:09 PM, MIME-CD complete at 08/15/2003 12:27:09 PM, Serialize by Router on ABB-US01-USMTP2/US01/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/15/2003 12:23:59 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: "Robert" "Six Flags Great Adventure lost power for about 10 minutes, but no one got stuck on a ride." Siebeneicher said in the case of a power outage, rides finish their cycles, then stop. ...Cycles can take up to a minute to finish. "We have the means to take people off in a timely manner." >>> This made me think about a power failure on Batman & Robin: The Chiller. Suppose the power went out right after a launch. Without the extra boost from the motors at the far end of the track, I'd bet there's a good chance the ride would valley on the return trip. There's a fin brake at the end of the tracks, so that would keep the trains from going over the edge. But in normal operation, the trains don't have enough momentum to hit those brakes. And without power, there wouldn't be that little extra push from the LIMs up at that end anyway. So there's no apparent danger there. I've heard that when a train valleys, it can take an hour or more for it to stop rocking back and forth. Can anyone confirm this? Are there catwalks on Chiller in case of a valley? I don't recall seeing them. They'd need them at the bottom between the top hat and the inversion on Batman, and in two places on Robin: below the inversion, and in the middle of the cobra roll. Jon Z (who's beginning to get excited about going to Cedar Point next Sunday) From burn.doug@verizon.net Fri Aug 15 09:35:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55330 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 16:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 16:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 16:35:45 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030815163544.LMCV14849.out004.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:35:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:35:45 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiasts help needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:35:43 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:56:40 -0000, Doug Nelson wrote: > ok, let me ask a question to everyone here. it seems to me that there are > different levels of interest here. first, the people who are literally on > the inside of the industry, the ones most of the magazines about coasters > are for right now. then there are enthusiasts. and finally the general > public. with me? ok so, just like their are mags for skateboarding, > skiing, etc., couldnt there be a magazine for coasters along those same > levels? like for enthusiasts, but one that doesnt speak complete greek so > that the general public might at least pick up an issue and flip through > it at the local newstand? could a publication like that exist, or would > the enthusiast aspect of the magazine be too overpowering? i would think > not, based on the popularity of the coaster/themepark shows on channels > like The Travel Channel and Discovery. so could a GP/Enthusiast hybrid > magazine successfully exist without specifically catering to just one or > the other? I think so, and amidst all that rambling, that was basically my point. And that sure seems to be what the person doing the survey and exploring the options is aiming for. Which then brings me back to, if you haven't taken the survey yet, please do so. It will help him get a much better idea of the level of interest out there and have a better picture of it's feasability. If you need the information again for it, go to www.advancedsurvey.com , and enter "6902" into the "Take A Survey" box on the right side to take this survey. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 10:18:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90558 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 17:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 17:18:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 17:18:51 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:18:51 -0700 Received: from 24.50.145.117 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:18:51 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:18:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2003 17:18:51.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C13E960:01C36351] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.50.145.117] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >No, what I described is NOT the result of poor training, as I've seen these >same ops do their job quite efficiently. What I desribed was several >employees far more interested in goofing off and having fun than being >safe-including their lead who was on the panel at the time. You can be >sure they wouldn't have been acting like that if a park manager or area >supervisor had been nearby, but you can't expect them to stand there all >the time making sure they behave either. These employees knew better, that >was plainly obvious, but they chose anyways to disregard normal safety >procedures. If something had happened, then they should be held >responsible for making their choice. That's inadequate motivation to do a good job and inadequate supervision. >No, it is not totally different. For you to operate a car, you have to >have completed a training program (driver's ed), completed a written test >showing your knowledge, then proven to the state that you are qualified and >able to operate that piece of machinery safely. That's not how it works in NY. >Ohhh, a reprimand. That'll really show a GM why he should obey the law. >What a horrible consequence of knowingly and repeatedly breaking the law. The GENERAL MANAGER has nothing to do with scheduling or staffing! The General Manager is responsible for overseeing the individual department directors, who oversee the managers, who oversee the supervisors, who make the schedules! If you're going to try and play Big Brother, shouldn't you fault the supervisors? You're argument is contradictory. You're saying "punish the General Manager" when they have NOTHING to do with making schedules or enforcing labor laws, but you're saying "punish the ride-operator!" when they cause a ride accident. According to your argument, shouldn't they punish the General Manager? They have about as much to do with training as they do with labor law violations. How inconsistent. >Oh, yeah, there's a good argument. "You're not in the industry". So does >that mean that since I'm not a politician I can't tell when one is screwing >up? Since I'm not a cop, I guess I can't say anything when one abuses >their authority? I could go on, but suffice to say that's one of the >lamest cop-outs I've heard. You can have an opinion, but I'm blatantly telling you how it works in this industry. >No, what you said is not how it always works. It should be plain and >simple, but not in the fashion you're describing. You're right, I do >disagree, and vehemently so. And so does the law. Or perhaps you're not >familiar with the fiasco's over B&B Amusements, where the owner and >inspector were both held guilty of manslaughter charges >http://members.aol.com/rides911/himalaya.htm And that's not the only case >where a ride operator has been help criminally responsible for their >actions at the helm of a ride. That's totally different. TOTALLY different. That's not a case of ride operator error. Point me to a case where a ride operator at a park was held responsible and punished for causing an accident. >You violate the law, you should be held responsible. Not just excused for >your job or reprimanded. Simple as that. Thanks for that, but your opinion changes nothing. I don't have an opinion on the matter. I'm just telling you the way it is. And I'm also not going to say anymore due to conflict of interest. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 10:27:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9940 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 17:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 17:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 17:26:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:26:59 -0700 Received: from 24.50.145.117 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:26:59 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GADV Power Loss Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:26:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2003 17:26:59.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F0F7D20:01C36352] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.50.145.117] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman > I've heard that when a train valleys, it can take an hour or >more >for it to stop rocking back and forth. I was there one time when Robin valleyed between the Cobra Roll and the zero-G roll. It didn't take that long to come to a complete stop. Can anyone confirm this? Are >there >catwalks on Chiller in case of a valley? I don't recall seeing them. >They'd need them at the bottom between the top hat and the inversion on >Batman, and in two places on Robin: below the inversion, and in the >middle >of the cobra roll. Yes, there's catwalks all over that ride, exactly in the places you decribed. They also need to build them between the Zero-G rolls and the spike, because that's the ride's new favorite place to valley! -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 11:13:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99765 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 18:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 18:13:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 18:13:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 18:13:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Why I like fairs more than amusement parks... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1121 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "bluebender747" wrote: > SNIP> > Imagine this. It's a carnival night, and the stars shine in the > velvet sky, broken by the sounds of children screaming, and the > lights, always the lights, spreading colour in every direction. It > all whirls in a circle around you, and you are always the center. > Every carny and food vendor seems to be calling to you alone, > and the rides scream along with the people on them. Poor > unsuspecting folk, they don't know that the slow looking hunk of > metal called something like `The Caterpillar' feels like its > moving faster than the speed of light. Of course, you stupidly get > on, and it then proceeds to spin and twirl you around until you yell > to the ride op that you want to stop, and get off, but instead he > just > gives you a cruel smile and speeds up the ride. After the ride op > has stopped his torture, you get off, a quivering mass of flesh,who > then jumps straight back in line, anxious to do it all over again. This drifts ever so close towards the realm of poetry (for me anyway). -Alan From burn.doug@verizon.net Fri Aug 15 11:25:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88766 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 18:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 18:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out005.verizon.net) (206.46.170.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 18:25:32 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030815182531.GFFY15786.out005.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:25:31 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GADV Power Loss References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:25:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:25:30 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Well, it's not SFGADV, but it's related since it was all the same power loss. But Yahoo news now has in their photo galleries, and among their most shared photos, a picture of Magnum's train stuck on the lift from the outage. Some of what they consider news sometimes just amazes me. Anyways, here's the link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/030815/168/4zc1h.html keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 15 14:24:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96338 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 21:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 21:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 21:24:40 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.112.2750303a (3964) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <112.2750303a.2c6ea98f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:24:31 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Top Thrill Dragster Closed Today To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2003 1:10:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, burn.doug@verizon.net writes: > >OMG, can you believe it? Top Thrill Dragster is closed!!! Never mind that > >Cedar Point doesn't have power, and neither do I, neither does most of > >the east coast. OMG OMG! Dragster is closed! it's all Intamin's fault! > > Methinks that someone was really bored in the dark. :) > > keep on ridin' > George Well, yeah. With all these power outages, I thought I was in California :-) Bored + Cynical = dangerous. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 15 14:32:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44728 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 21:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 21:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 21:32:13 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.172.1e8a62bf (3964) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <172.1e8a62bf.2c6eab57@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:32:07 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Top Thrill Dragster Closed Today To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2003 10:42:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, doug_nelson@tufts-health.com writes: > so, does anyone know if any parks lost power? Well, that's what I was saying - CP lost all power around 10 minutes after 4 or so. I know there were other parks, but at the risk of being wrong, I'll let some other people post that info. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From llindsay@shaw.ca Fri Aug 15 14:42:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: llindsay@shaw.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81135 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 21:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 21:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 21:42:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.119] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2003 21:42:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:42:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Why I like fairs more than amusement parks... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 135 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "bluebender747" X-Originating-IP: 24.67.83.0 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92868951 X-Yahoo-Profile: bluebender747 > This drifts ever so close towards the realm of poetry (for me anyway). I should really stop posting in the middle of the night ;-) From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 15 14:43:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75858 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 21:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 21:43:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 21:43:14 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.103.34491781 (3964) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <103.34491781.2c6eadeb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:43:07 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2003 10:49:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, doug_nelson@tufts-health.com writes: > i dont think thats the issue. knowing what you know about certain ACE > members, you know that there will be some major bragging going on if > members are sending in profiles of themselves. now if the profiles > contained NOTHING about how many times theyve ridden coaster A or > that sort of thing, and more about other non-coaster related > information, i think that would be ok. but personally i really dont > want to hear about all the ERT time theyve had this year or how they > call their 1982 Honda Civic "Nitro". > But the "profiles" are just a survey that members can fill out. it's not like someone writes in just to say "I've been on 1,397,490 coasters and my cat's name is Kumba" ;) I just don't find them to be "self glorifying" because they give people a chance to tell a little about themselves. Plus, it's open to anyone who wants to send in a survey so it's not "exclusive" or anything. -Josh (webmaster/IT/Network Admin...OMG I'm glorifying myself!!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 15 14:53:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44552 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 21:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 21:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 21:53:16 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.de.3cca91d4 (3964) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:53:04 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GADV Power Loss To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You think Magnum stuck is "outrageous news"? you should have heard what they said tonight on the 5 o'clock news. They showed a video of CP and they said "the power outage caused mass chaos and the people were getting so hot that they were dunking their heads in the park's fountains" and they went on about that making it seem like the air conditioning shut off and was killing people....but the thing was, it didn't get any hotter....THEY WERE ALREADY OUTSIDE. GAH! Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From burn.doug@verizon.net Fri Aug 15 14:54:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74074 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 21:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 21:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop017.verizon.net) (206.46.170.210) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 21:54:33 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030815215432.FUWY27671.pop017.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:54:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:54:33 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <103.34491781.2c6eadeb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103.34491781.2c6eadeb@aol.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:54:31 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:43:07 EDT, wrote: > In a message dated 8/15/2003 10:49:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > doug_nelson@tufts-health.com writes: > >> i dont think thats the issue. knowing what you know about certain ACE >> members, you know that there will be some major bragging going on if >> members are sending in profiles of themselves. now if the profiles >> contained NOTHING about how many times theyve ridden coaster A or that >> sort of thing, and more about other non-coaster related information, i >> think that would be ok. but personally i really dont want to hear about >> all the ERT time theyve had this year or how they call their 1982 Honda >> Civic "Nitro". >> > > But the "profiles" are just a survey that members can fill out. it's not > like someone writes in just to say "I've been on 1,397,490 coasters and > my cat's name is Kumba" ;) > > I just don't find them to be "self glorifying" because they give people a > chance to tell a little about themselves. Plus, it's open to anyone who > wants to send in a survey so it's not "exclusive" or anything. Actually, it is a bit self glorifying. It's not a survey that is sent out to everyone, but rather the people that WANT to be featured have to look at the other profiles, answer the same questions for themselves, then send them in along with your picture. They don't ask you if you want to be highlighted, you have to, in essence, ask them if they will highlight you. And then they have to make some choices as to who to pick and who not to use, so there has to be some exclusivity there to begin with, since there isn't going to be anyway to highlight everyone that submits a profile. So I'd have to agree, that it is self-glorifying. Maybe the only exceptions would be last issue and the next one, which are highlighting people who helped put together the European trip. It's also interesting to note that of those featured so far, the lowest "count" among any of them is 228, which is quite a substantial number. If that's the lowest, then I think it's pretty easy to say that it's a pretty exclusive group, and one that most of us likely don't qualify for. At least not with my "measly" count of 161. keep on ridin' George (who really doesn't think his count is measly, but more a sign of how blessed I've been) -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From tbolt.javanet@rcn.com Fri Aug 15 15:13:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt.javanet@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10523 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 22:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 22:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.76) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 22:13:26 -0000 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by smtp-hub2.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 19nmp4-0005tb-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:26 -0400 Received: from dialup-67.75.56.122.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([67.75.56.122] helo=your318ruqz03z) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19nmp3-0007Yq-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c3637a$71dfd400$7a384b43@your318ruqz03z> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:13:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110133664 X-Yahoo-Profile: lpcomet > That's not the way it works, though. To clarify, I mean ride operators > should never be held responsible if the laws in every state are the same. Why not? If the operator of a forklift or pallet stacker causes injury or death to someone, not only am I responsible for it as the owner of the equipment, but the operator can also be held liable. That's why such emphasis is typically placed on proper training and certification for operation of any large machinery, including amusement devices. > No, what you describe is a result of poor training and inadequate > supervision. If an employee isn't trained properly and isn't supervised > well then they're not going to be held responsible. If someone isn't trained properly and isn't comfortable with complete operation of the device, they are responsible for not touching it. If I were to get on a forklift and drop the forks on someone's head, I'm going to be responsible for it, whether I was trained or not. If an amusement operator fails to properly restrain guests, or starts a ride while guests are in the process of boarding, then they also can be held liable. > Because it's TOTALLY different. You are operating your own car under your > own power. If you're operating a ride then you're doing it the way a > company representative has shown you and you're operating equipment that > doesn't belong to you. It's not the same at all, legally or otherwise. So, what if I drive your car? That doesn't belong to me, yet both you and I can be held responsible for any damages that could be caused by it. It's really not any different in that respect. > Yes, but jail??? That's absolutely ridiculous. Sure, they should fine > *VISIONLAND* (note: Not the GM!) for each labor law violation. I've seen > parks pay tens of thousands of dollars in labor law violations, but not the > General Manager him/herself! The company should have to pay the money and > the park's management team should have to suffer the consequences of being > reprimanded by upper management. It would be different if a park is > privately owned (I'd hate to see Pat Koch go to jail!), in which case the > park's owner would have to pay the fines, but NOBODY needs to go to jail as > a result. Actually... management CAN be held responsible for crimes committed by their entity, whether they own it or not. When I was working in Massachusetts, for instance, if the fire marshall came into the store, and found violations (such as a blocked aisle, blocked fire exit, insufficient clearance on all fire egresses, etc.), not only could the store be shut down instantly, but the store manager (or manager on duty) would be arrested. Ultimately, the management team is responsible for everything that goes on within an establishment... and the excuse of "I didn't know" is not sufficient defense. Child labor compliance is one of those things that is the responsibility of the management in the park, period. It sure wasn't that way 10 years ago, but it sure is how the world works today. Kevin From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 15 15:16:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1478 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 22:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 22:16:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 22:16:22 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.19b.19337557 (3964) for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19b.19337557.2c6eb5b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2003 5:55:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, burn.doug@verizon.net writes: > It's also interesting to note that of those featured so far, the lowest > "count" among any of them is 228, which is quite a substantial number. If > that's the lowest, then I think it's pretty easy to say that it's a pretty > exclusive group, and one that most of us likely don't qualify for. At > least not with my "measly" count of 161. So, you're saying that those of us that are over 228 are "stuck up?" ;-) I see how it is, George. Actually, I keep track of my count, but I don't care about letting people know about it THAT much. Which, brings me to an interesting run in with some "old-skool ACErs" last year at HW. They were older people that wore the matching purple ACE jackets, and had the "gilligan" hats on with the fronts flipped up and held on with kennywood/gemini/demon drop pins and the UBER FANNY PACKS, stuffed with everything they need to survive in the jungle for 14 1/2 days, hanging off the sides of their hips. They asked me what my favorite wooden coaster was and I told them Legend, and they said....."oh...well, out of how many coasters?" I told them (which, at the time was...) 185 and the lady said "oh, well then I guess we can give you some credibility there. You're slightly passed amateur status" they then proceeded to tell me how many coasters they had been on and how they had been to europe and how old wooden coasters are better then new ones, and how steel coasters aren't really coasters, but stunt machines and....oh oh, wait a minute, it's time for a pepsi...I'm sorry are you stil talking? looks like I'm walking away... That was just...weird. I guess I'm a "professional" now with 240...no, wait...I haven't broken 300, and a lot of those are steel, I guess I'm just a "novice" dumb..... -Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tbolt.javanet@rcn.com Fri Aug 15 15:25:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tbolt.javanet@rcn.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96722 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 22:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 22:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net) (207.172.4.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 22:25:24 -0000 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19nn0d-00073A-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:25:23 -0400 Received: from dialup-67.75.56.122.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([67.75.56.122] helo=your318ruqz03z) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19nn0d-0002UG-00 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002301c3637c$1da3e280$7a384b43@your318ruqz03z> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:25:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110133664 X-Yahoo-Profile: lpcomet > You're argument is contradictory. You're saying "punish the General > Manager" when they have NOTHING to do with making schedules or enforcing > labor laws, but you're saying "punish the ride-operator!" when they cause a > ride accident. According to your argument, shouldn't they punish the > General Manager? They have about as much to do with training as they do > with labor law violations. How inconsistent. But the General Manager *DOES* have something to do with enforcing labor laws. You're correct in the sense that he doesn't tell people when to clock in, clock out, and go to lunch... but he IS responsible for holding the folks accountable on the front line who DO perform those activities. I'd be willing to bet in the Visionland case that nobody was held accountable for child labor violations, otherwise you wouldn't have see a mass number of them. At Riverside, none of us were EVER held accountable for them, and it wasn't seen as a big deal by anyone. At the company I currently work for, I know that child labor violations are a MAJOR big deal. One violation, and I will have earned myself a decision-day, if not more. Second time, God help me. And our Store manager is responsible for holding us accountable, because he is ALSO responsible for them, even though they're not under his immediate supervision. In business these days, that's just the way it works. As a manager, you are responsible for everything your people do. And like I said, I'd be willing to bet that absolutely nobody was held accountable at Visionland, even after repeated violations. Should the GM be held responsible in that case? Absolutely. He apparently didn't see it important enough to deal with at park-level... now all lights are on him. That's business, folks! Oh... and could a General Manager be held accountable for improper training programs in place? Absolutely, he certainly can... because ultimately, they're responsible for having someone in place who is responsible for having adequate and effective training. If they're not, and he lets it go... then it's all on him. Kevin From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 16:45:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58853 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 23:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2003 23:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20609.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.167) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 23:45:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20030815234537.89576.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.149.148.13] by web20609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:45:37 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <19b.19337557.2c6eb5b1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- MxPx2@aol.com wrote: They asked me what my > favorite wooden coaster was and I told them Legend, > and they > said....."oh...well, out of how many coasters?" I > told them (which, at the time was...) 185 > and the lady said "oh, well then I guess we can give > you some credibility there. > You're slightly passed amateur status" they then > proceeded to tell me how > many coasters they had been on and how they had been > to europe and how old wooden > coasters are better then new ones, and how steel > coasters aren't really > coasters, but stunt machines and....oh oh, wait a > minute, it's time for a > pepsi...I'm sorry are you stil talking? looks like > I'm walking away... > That was just...weird. I guess I'm a "professional" > now with 240...no, > wait...I haven't broken 300, and a lot of those are > steel, I guess I'm just a > "novice" > dumb..... I guess I'm still in n3wb-land as I've yet to break 200 (or maybe I have if I use George's method of counting ;)). Seriously though, this is one of the things that most frustrates me about so-called 'enthusiasts'. I know I shouldnt sterotype, but that sentiment alone is what soured me on the whole "enthusiast" tag. Really though, what difference should it make if I like a ride and have only been on a few? I mean, all it took was two rides on Preadator for me to draw the opinion that it sucks. Likewise, I was blown away by my one (and only) ride on Montu. Moreover, even though I've ridden close to 200 coasters (which I guess would qualify as slightly past amatuer) I *still* like Son of Beast. Would that suddenly nullify my assertation that The Legend is the best coaster I've ever ridden? It's funny, I've talked with non-coaster people who know I like roller coasters and they ask how many I've ridden. I once said "not *that* many" and they replied "Oh, I thought you were going to say over a hundred". Then I sheepishly hung my head and said, "Oh, my bad. I *is* more than that (at that time) I've ridden about 150". Their jaws dropped. See the average person would think that around 50-75 is a lot. But in 'enthusiast' circles, you havent done anything till you've *at least* hit a hundred, preferably 200. And of those, fifty or more better be wood. And you should never rank loopers over hypers. And shuttles dont really count. And...ad nauseum. Simply put, it just makes my ass tired! lata, jeremy --off to prepare for the Fantasy Football draft __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From lance@screamscape.com Fri Aug 15 18:00:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76685 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 01:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 01:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 01:00:56 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7G10qCt068709 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:00:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 39009 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 01:00:55 -0000 Received: from 2.146.8.67.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (67.8.146.2) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 01:00:55 -0000 Message-ID: <012501c36391$c7f907a0$02920843@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:00:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey > more than anything else, id love to see a big 2-page pullout poster > of a coaster in each issue, just like, uhh.."those" kinds of > magazines..you know, the ones guys only get for the "articles"! That would make such a great scene too... imagine your typical coaster geek (arn't we all) at work, looking at a magazine on the job, opens it slowly... and unfolds the Centerfold... and BOOM... he's surrounded by other fellow workers who want to see what he is looking at. He turns the image around to show the long three page centerfold revealing a uber-cool show of Top Thrill Dragster's 420 foot tower. ;-) From lance@screamscape.com Fri Aug 15 18:05:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1885 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7G15ACt069714 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 42863 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 01:05:14 -0000 Received: from 2.146.8.67.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (67.8.146.2) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 01:05:14 -0000 Message-ID: <013601c36392$61f929c0$02920843@cfl.rr.com> To: References: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:04:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance From: "Chris Kearsing" > The GENERAL MANAGER has nothing to do with scheduling or staffing! The > General Manager is responsible for overseeing the individual department > directors, who oversee the managers, who oversee the supervisors, who make > the schedules! If you're going to try and play Big Brother, shouldn't you > fault the supervisors? Actually, the GM of any park has complete control over ever aspect of the park. His line of command goes down through the chain of command that you listed and after being warned about the problem, he would have gone to the deparment VP's and said... "This has to stop... now! Here are the new company rules and they are effective immediatly." That should have been the end of it... now of course it wasn't and if the GM did his job and the VPs failed to enforce it, then it is the fault of the VPs or those down below... but with an issue like this there should have a time to check back on the issue to make sure the problem was fixed when it wasn't. If the GM let it go... then it's his fault again for not checking on it, unless of course, he was lied too... in either case, if the GM did his job and did try to stop the problem, you can bet there will be some people fired very soon. From burn.doug@verizon.net Fri Aug 15 18:09:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59477 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 01:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 01:09:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001.verizon.net) (206.46.170.140) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 01:09:59 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030816010958.BFQN1299.out001.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:09:58 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey References: <20030815234537.89576.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:09:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030815234537.89576.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:09:57 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:45:37 -0700 (PDT), Jeremy Norris wrote: > > I guess I'm still in n3wb-land as I've yet to break > 200 (or maybe I have if I use George's method of > counting ;)). pbbbtttt. :-p > It's funny, I've talked with non-coaster people who > know I like roller coasters and they ask how many I've > ridden. I once said "not *that* many" and they > replied "Oh, I thought you were going to say over a > hundred". Then I sheepishly hung my head and said, > "Oh, my bad. I *is* more than that (at that time) I've > ridden about 150". Their jaws dropped. See the > average person would think that around 50-75 is a lot. > But in 'enthusiast' circles, you havent done anything > till you've *at least* hit a hundred, preferably 200. And of those, fifty > or more better be wood. And you > should never rank loopers over hypers. And shuttles > dont really count. And...ad nauseum. Which was really my point. It seems like in order for many of these people to look upon you credibly, they think you need to have ridden at least 200 coasters, and preferably over 300, and if you haven't you better have a good reason why not (having a life isn't one apparently. hehe) Which is why I found it funny with the ACE profiles. It just seems to follow the same pattern as so many things with the "upper crust enthusiast"-that the people profiled so far have the credentials. But in all fairness to, I haven't talked to the publisher, so I can't say for sure if there are other criteria there or not. Just how it looks from impressions reading the magazine. Hence why I like a couple of places on line where people like parks, but they certainly have more going on in their lives than just coasters. > lata, jeremy > --off to prepare for the Fantasy Football draft On my way over there now myself! Prepare to get stomped. :) keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Aug 15 18:27:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80569 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 01:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 01:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 01:27:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 6790 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Aug 2003 01:27:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816012730.6789.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:27:30 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "George Burnash" at Aug 15, 2003 06:09:59 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > I guess I'm still in n3wb-land as I've yet to break > > 200 (or maybe I have if I use George's method of > > counting ;)). > > pbbbtttt. :-p Less than 200?! I'd be surprised if I was over 70! (i don't count). And It doesn't matter which counting method you choose .. I've still hardly ridden anything ;-) Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** COOK-BOOK!! * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From supermanros@hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 18:38:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38550 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 01:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 01:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 01:38:29 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:38:28 -0700 Received: from 68.170.130.148 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:38:28 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Visionland manager guilty of breaking child labor law Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:38:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2003 01:38:28.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[17EC4EC0:01C36397] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [68.170.130.148] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >Actually, the GM of any park has complete control over ever aspect of the >park. That's not true. Often times corporate calls the shots and the GMs are just there to make sure everything runs smoothly and in line with corporate budgets and standards. It's different for each park chain. When it comes down to new attractions and capital expenditures, the Paramount Park General Managers sit down with corporate officers and discuss what would make the best addition to the park. The GMs seem to have even less control at Cedar Fair parks. If Cedar Fair likes a product (Morgan Hyper, S&S Towers), then you can bet that they're going to install them in all their parks. The GMs at Six Flags parks have little-to-no say in new attractions. They're all handed down from corporate. They have input on the name and location, but corporate tells them what product they're getting. Often times department directors report directly to someone at the corporate level and bypass the General Manager. It's not true that all GMs have complete control of their park. >His line of command goes down through the chain of command that you listed >and after being warned about the problem, he would have gone to the >deparment >VP's and said... "This has to stop... now! Here are the new company rules >and they >are effective immediatly." That should have been the end of it... now of >course >it wasn't and if the GM did his job and the VPs failed to enforce it, then >it is the >fault of the VPs or those down below... but with an issue like this there >should >have a time to check back on the issue to make sure the problem was fixed >when >it wasn't. If the GM let it go... then it's his fault again for not >checking >on it, unless >of course, he was lied too... in either case, if the GM did his job and did >try to stop >the problem, you can bet there will be some people fired very soon. That's what I was implying. Trust me, you don't have to explain the chain of command to me. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 20:12:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82449 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 03:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 03:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40008.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 03:12:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816031256.82174.qmail@web40008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:12:56 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "One could compare this to the 1st Golden Age of Roller Coasters, and say that this is the Second. I believe that I have heard that term used, too." I would say that we "were" in the second. IMHO, the time period from say, '95 or '96 to 2000 was the second golden age. The growth and amount of investment was amazing, but it seems to have tapered off some from the 2001 season on. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 15 20:16:25 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77503 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 03:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 03:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.121) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 03:16:25 -0000 Received: (cpmta 13503 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 20:16:24 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.123 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.121) with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 20:16:24 -0700 X-Sent: 16 Aug 2003 03:16:24 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.24] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Trip Reports X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:16:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030815201624.19563.h009.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Also...just my personal preference here....but I personally do not care for those TRs that are extraordinarily LOOOOONG. < It varies for me. There are people (like George, Beth and Adam) who write extremely detailed TRs, and I like that because I really get a sense of what the park is like. And like George, I do like reading other peoples' comments about parks I've been to. That gives me another perspective. I too don't enjoy TRs that simply say, "I rode the coaster. It was fun." That doesn't tell me anything specific. As many of you know, I often write TRs about the same parks because I don't get around much. But when I write one, I usually try to say something new or give a different perspective from other TRs I've written. If I don't have anything new to say, I don't write one. I have no problem reading recurring TRs about parks (like CP) that lots of RCTers go to. Sometimes I skim them if my time is limited, but usually I'll read them. It's one of the features of RCT that I really enjoy. Jay From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 20:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19098 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 03:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 03:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40016.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.56) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 03:33:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816033327.53873.qmail@web40016.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40016.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:33:27 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "It was really a gem, absolutely the most beautifully photographed park magazine ever published. But it must have been monstrously expensive to produce. And it really had too narrow a base of readership. People in the business stuck with Amusement Business. As attractive as ATP was, there was no way it could find a big enough subscriber base, and it never seemed to pull in the number of ads that Amusement Today does. It was mostly a labor of love for Allen Ambrosini and his wife (two of the original ACErs)." Before I make any comments about other publications I did want to make this disclaimer that I don't want it to appear I am ripping on them solely because of where I work (although I still maintain a certain magazine is the best :). From the issues of ATP that I saw it didn't really offer anything unique or useful. Yes, it looked nice and had an occasional good article, but the content was mostly a detailed article about one park along with content that was usually written by advertisers. While it looked nice, I found few things that really stood out from a content perspective. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 15 20:48:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15504 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 03:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 03:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.127) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 03:48:12 -0000 Received: (cpmta 3152 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 20:48:12 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.123 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.127) with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 20:48:12 -0700 X-Sent: 16 Aug 2003 03:48:12 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.24] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030815204812.19066.h009.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > ACE has been steadily growing over the last several years. If anything the interest on the internet has stirred more memberships to it. < That and the uncounted Discovery Channel and Travel Channel coaster specials that prominently feature ACE people.... I'd be interested to find out what kind of enthusiasts most of those 8000 members are. Do they just enjoy the publications? Do they go to events? Do they just want ERT? At one point, the Western New York Coaster Club boasted around 800 members. But now the number is much lower. And yet the number of people who are *really* involved in the club remains fairly constant at a few dozen. I wonder how many ACErs now get involved in the club. I really would like to see that park magazine happen. I'm concerned that the Second Golden Age of coasters is drawing to a close, and I'd love to see this era lovingly documented before it all disappears. Jay From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 20:54:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54774 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 03:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 03:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.27) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 03:54:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816035410.20837.qmail@web40009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:54:10 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "Looks like I muddled my words a bit there. The general populace I was referring to wasn't the general public, it was the majority of people frequenting the coaster/ park internet sites and in the clubs. For most of us, Amusement Today isn't going to be of much interest because we're not "in the industry". I'm not looking for ways to save money on selling park food or buying amusement rides. That's the people who actually work the industry, and a very select few enthusiasts. For the vast majority of the enthusiast and interest crowd, I haven't gotten the impression that there was a lot in Amusement today to interest them since they're not who the magazine is aimed at. Most of us are going to care less at what interests the parks' managers, planners, and order departments." As I said, though, AT is as much, if not more for the enthusiast communitiy because of the stories it does. The bulk of the stories are on installations and ride annoucements. There really are not that many stories on the "nuts and bolts" of the industry (food/marketing/management/trends) and most of the news is 3-5 weeks old when it reaches reader's mailboxes. In fact, a sizable percentage of their subscription base are enthusiasts. While there are industry ads in there look at the stories, with some exceptions they aren't business-oriented. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 15 21:18:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84882 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 04:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 04:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 04:18:25 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.155.22d6ecdd (4410) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <155.22d6ecdd.2c6f0a8a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 00:18:18 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2003 7:46:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, scrunch17@yahoo.com writes: > Simply put, it just makes my ass tired! > lata, jeremy > AMEN to THAT! Granted, most "enthusiasts" aren't like that, but there's a lot of them out there. It really gets annoying, especially in cases like that. EyE em teh 1337 3nthusia5711!1! Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Fri Aug 15 22:23:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58592 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 05:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 05:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 05:23:11 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.a3.4739d3b9 (3964) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:23:06 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2003 10:47:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MxPx2@aol.com writes: > >ACE still does, and I think it is stupid. Very self glorifying. Who > cares > > > >how many coasters you have been on, or what you do for a living. > > How is telling someone what you do for a living "very self glorifying"? > Really, if you think about it, since they just answered a question, the "how > > many rides" thing really isn't either. I'm not an ACEr at the moment and I'm > > not the biggest fan of their politics/actions/etc.... but I see nothing > wrong > with having members fill out a survey - It's not self-glorification...it's a > > way of getting to know what other people are in to. > I don't see how one could confuse the 2 - I guess some people just don't > care > about other people's lives and hobbies outside of the rollercoaster > world.... > > Josh > Maybe I am just cold hearted, but yeah, I just don't care. The way I look at it, they are wasting space that could be put to better use. Printing isn't cheap, so why not make to most of it and put real meat in to the mag, instead of what is just filler. Sure, if I get to know the person on a personal level, be it on-line or in person, I will probably work those types of things into conversation, but I think it is just waste in a magazine. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Fri Aug 15 22:33:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73769 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 05:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 05:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 05:33:01 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.3a.3d17e00b (3964) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a.3d17e00b.2c6f1c09@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:32:57 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiasts help needed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2003 10:57:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, doug_nelson@tufts-health.com writes: > ok, let me ask a question to everyone here. it seems to me that there > are different levels of interest here. first, the people who are > literally on the inside of the industry, the ones most of the > magazines about coasters are for right now. then there are > enthusiasts. and finally the general public. with me? ok so, just > like their are mags for skateboarding, skiing, etc., couldnt there be > a magazine for coasters along those same levels? like for > enthusiasts, but one that doesnt speak complete greek so that the > general public might at least pick up an issue and flip through it at > the local newstand? could a publication like that exist, or would the > enthusiast aspect of the magazine be too overpowering? i would think > not, based on the popularity of the coaster/themepark shows on > channels like The Travel Channel and Discovery. so could a > GP/Enthusiast hybrid magazine successfully exist without specifically > catering to just one or the other? > That is exactly my thought on it. It would be nice to see a magazine based around coasters and parks that doesn't talk necessarily about in inner details of the things, but more about the experiences. I should read like a travel magazine, with articles about different parks and rides, both large and small, as well as where the best deals are, coupons, and such. I think if it is geared towards a middle ground that would give both the Enthusiasts as well as the GP a decent amount of information, then it could be very successful. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Fri Aug 15 22:49:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35222 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 05:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 05:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 05:49:40 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1c7.dd53a82 (3964) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c7.dd53a82.2c6f1fea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 01:49:30 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/15/2003 9:28:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cameron@buzzneon.com writes: > >>I guess I'm still in n3wb-land as I've yet to break > >>200 (or maybe I have if I use George's method of > >>counting ;)). > > > >pbbbtttt. :-p > > Less than 200?! I'd be surprised if I was over 70! (i don't count). And > It doesn't matter which counting method you choose .. I've still hardly > ridden anything ;-) > > Cam. I do count, but counting is besides the point. The point for me is do I have fun? I do, if I didn't I wouldn't ride, that simple. Not hard, and I don't think I need some "expert" with a count of a zillion telling me what I should and shouldn't like. Everyone has opinions on rides, they all vary as much as we ourselves do. So I say, what is the difference? Screw them, and enjoy the ride. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Sat Aug 16 07:02:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62726 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 14:02:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7381 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Aug 2003 14:02:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816140253.7380.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: TR: Quick report from SFGAm.. To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:02:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon As I have mentioned recently, I am starting to question my coaster riding faith. Well, my faith was restored, just a little, today at Six Flags Great America. One cannot swing a dead cat without hitting a Trip Report about SFGAm, so I'll keep it short. Basically, a friend of mine from Boston was in Chicago, and asked if we could spend a day at the park. It was his first visit. Date: Friday August 15th 2003 Location: Six Flags Great America Weather: Hot (90+), sunny. Crowds: Busy, without being a zoo. We got there at 9:15, parked, and were permitted to enter the park just 15 minutes later. We decided to skip Superman first thing, and instead headed towards Batman and then V2. This turned out to be a terrific move, as we were able to hit Batman, V2, Bull, Deja Vu and Demon, all before noon! Bowen had a great time at the park, and was surprised by how nice the park is. He has recently traveled quite a bit for work, and has visited several other (smaller) Six Flags parks. We ate lunch at the Buffalo Saloon in the South West Territory, and this is a location I can high recommend. It's fast sit-down service, in a comfortable air-conditioned environment. There aren't even any plastic trays, plates or silver-wear! We had to leave the park by 5, but we managed to hit every coaster except Iron Wolf, and Whizzer. There were two un-expected high-points of the day (for me). The first was my ride on Deja Vu. We just happened to be in that area while they were testing this, and we only had to hang around for ten minutes until the line was opened for us. A further ten minutes in line, and we were boarding the ride ... Outside seats, of row 4. I think this was the first time I sat in the outside seats (it was only my third or fourth ride anyway), and I enjoyed it a lot more. I mean, it still feels like you're on a bus with a couple of flat tyres, but at least I felt some forces this time! Being close to the front also meant that I didn't have to spend as much time dangling against the restraints. This ride is still a bit of a disaster area, but I most certainly enjoyed it this time through. I'd say I have upgraded it from a D to a B-. Second high-point was American Eagle. This thing was f-l-y-i-n-g! I had been warning Bowen that it'll probably be heavily braked .. but boy was I wrong! I have never ridden this with the brakes so low, and it really put Shivering Timbers (from Timbersfest 2003) to shame! Bowen and I only rode Red (forward) side, but it looked like Blue was running just as fast. The trains were hitting the final brakes so hard, that the entire station would jolt with enough force that some people looked like they were close to losing their balance! Now THIS is a coaster .. why don't parks build rides like this anymore? I also think I've figured out what it is about Raging Bull that irks me so much. The speed of the ride is so completely inconsistent. It'll fly along the low points of the ride, but then quickly lose all speed on the hills and just crawl over the tops. I can't think of any other ride which does this ... Sure, every coaster will slow down on the hills and speed up in the valleys ... But it seems so exaggerated on Bull, and really makes for a choppy ride. OK, I'll leave it here .. It was a great day, better than I was expecting. Take care, Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there & I like it! * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 07:32:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93976 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 14:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 14:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 14:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2003 14:32:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:32:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: MISC: The Hershey Name Game Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 168 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 68.3.199.140 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 We've all heard about the new coaster at Hershey Park for next year. Now you can vote on the name. http://www.hersheypa.com/attractions/hersheypark/index.html -Alan From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 07:40:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79838 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 14:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 14:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40015.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 14:40:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816144004.51855.qmail@web40015.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40015.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:40:04 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: TR: Jackson County Fair 08/05/2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "I headed next door to their Fabbri Crazy Dance themed to a Tornado and aptly called "Twister" complete with music and a "storm siren" that kicked in partway through each cycle. They ran a decent length cycle here with some good speed to the ride, so there was plenty of spinning and direction changing fun." I still have yet to get on one of these. Have you been on a (well-run) Huss Breakdance, and if so, how do they compare? "I rode the Spin Out last year as well, and while it's an interesting ride, the seats are exactly the same as what is used on the Afterburners and are not nearly as comfortable to ride in while being turned upside down. They offer a little too much room for movement, which is great for air on the Afterburners but not as comfortable on the Spin Out." Did the head acclerate as you went upside down? One thing I really noticed last weekend was that the one I was on REALLY sped up when the entire arm was rotating upside down to generate more centrifugal force and keep riders pinned in thier seats. "I wanted to ride the Larson Crazy Train called "High Roller" because it looked interesting and I'd not seen one before, but it was one of a few rides that, I assume for capacity purposes, was strictly enforcing a no single rider policy and I was by myself." That is odd. I had not heard of that policy on Crazy Trains it is not listed on Larson's website, so perhaps it is something Wade institutes for POP night. "I headed over to the Wipeout next. This was by far the slowest run ride of this sort I've ridden before. There were no forces keeping me to the outside of the car, so I was sliding all over the seat during the short ride cycle." Not fun (or safe either). Were the newly-mandated seat belts installed here? "They were enforcing the single rider rule on the portable coaster, so my last ride of the night was on the Zamperla Turbo Force. This is another rare opportunity for a bird's eye view of Jackson, and a fun ride. The dives and flipping and rocking that the cars at the end of each arm perform are fast and fun. And even with a low capacity, they are able to move people through the queue fairly fast." While some people don't like them, I really think that Zamperla really did a good job with this piece. I beleive it was the first to get the capacity up to eight on a propeller ride and to me the sensation of getting tossed out of my seat is better here than on any other ride of this type. "However, I think I may choose to spend a little extra money next year and catch the midway on a non-POP night when it's not as crowded as it was getting a little scary at some points Tuesday night with all the fighting and I suspect it doesn't attract the same sorts of crowds on the non-POP nights." In addition, it could very well be that on non-POP nights you will get better cycles and less single-rider enforcement rules (unless this is an umbrella rule Wade put forth this year). Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From rumors@absolutelyreliable.com Sat Aug 16 09:03:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: absolut2@meson.liquidweb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84203 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO meson.liquidweb.com) (64.91.233.95) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 16:03:48 -0000 Received: from absolut2 by meson.liquidweb.com with local (Exim 4.20) id 19o3Ws-0003nu-JU for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:03:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 1078 X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 138.88.209.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:03:46 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - meson.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32172 32172] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - meson.liquidweb.com From: "Absolutely Reliable News and Rumors" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131811069 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm >. Terry Prather, GM of Six Flags New Orleans, is not > going to be held responsible for the death that recently occurred at his > park, *EVEN IF* the accident is ruled operator error. Nothing will happen > to that ride operator, either. Six Flags will have to pay a fine, sure, but > nobody else is going to jail or going to have to pay out of their pocket. You are almost certainly correct about the ultimate outcome, but you're wrong about the legal possibilities. A ride operator can be held criminally liable (negligent homicide statutes don't have exceptions for amusement parks), and -- while they would almost certainly be indemnified in the unlikely event that they were sued -- ride operators can also be liable civilly for negligence. The odds of a prosecutor deciding to do so are very slim, but certainly not zero. > > As for Labor Law violations... that's a state-by-state thing. I've seen a > case where a park (not in NY) broke labor laws numerous times, had to pay > tens of thousands of dollars in fines, but you can bet that nobody was > jailed and nobody paid out of their own pocket! Again, you're right on the practicalities but not on the law. Child labor laws have a common foundation of federal law (which provides for potential criminal liability on the part of both individuals and corporations -- see FLSA Sec. 16(a)), with a state law overlay. The FLSA was created way back in 1938 when child labor was a real problem, of course. Most if not all states have the possibility of individual criminal liability for labor laws, *including* New York. See http://www.labor.state.ny.us/business_ny/ employer_responsibilities/workprot/viollblw.htm ("Violations of any provision of the Labor Law, the Industrial Code, or any rule, regulation, or lawful order of the Department of Labor is a misdemeanor and is punishable by fine or imprisonment, or both."). The reference to imprisonment necessarily means that there can be individual criminal liability, as you can't imprison a corporation. Again you're right that *in general* such matters don't get made into criminal matters, and that *in general* nobody pays out of pocket. But -- as I noted before, but you didn't seem to notice -- child labor is a Bad Thing (tm) and states are more likely to go after individuals in that context than others, and they always have the option. -B (JD '98) From rumors@absolutelyreliable.com Sat Aug 16 09:31:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rumors@absolutelyreliable.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76702 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 16:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 16:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 16:31:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2003 16:31:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:31:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: clarification Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 239 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Bill Childs" X-Originating-IP: 138.88.209.30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131811069 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm I wrote: > The odds of a prosecutor deciding to do so are very slim, > but certainly not zero. This sentence, of course, refers to criminal prosecution, not civil lawsuits, where prosecutors are not involved. Sorry for any confusion. From bethtoons@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 11:45:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61297 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 18:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 18:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.229) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 18:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816184517.21873.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.245.136.59] by web12606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:45:17 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: TR: Jackson County Fair 08/05/2003 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030816144004.51855.qmail@web40015.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons --- Adam Sandy wrote: > "I headed next door to their Fabbri Crazy Dance > themed > to a Tornado and aptly called "Twister" complete > with > music and a "storm siren" that kicked in partway > through each cycle. They ran a decent length cycle > here with some good speed to the ride, so there was > plenty of spinning and direction changing fun." > > I still have yet to get on one of these. Have you > been on a (well-run) Huss Breakdance, and if so, how > do they compare? > Wow, I've been on a flat ride Adam hasn't? Is that allowed? ;) I've been on three breakdances at SCBB, SFGAdv, and PGA. Of those, I think SCBB was the best run. They seem to run really similarly, although if I had to choose between two side by side I'd probably go to the breakdance first. > They offer a little too much room for movement, > which > is great for air on the Afterburners but not as > comfortable on the Spin Out." > > Did the head acclerate as you went upside down? One > thing I really noticed last weekend was that the one > I > was on REALLY sped up when the entire arm was > rotating > upside down to generate more centrifugal force and > keep riders pinned in thier seats. > It sped up some, but not nearly as much as it probably should have. I was sliding around in the restraints when we were upside down. > That is odd. I had not heard of that policy on > Crazy > Trains it is not listed on Larson's website, so > perhaps it is something Wade institutes for POP > night. I'm guessing it was for capacity purposes as I'm positive that's why they were enforcing it on the coaster. My coworker and I went back on Wednesday for lunch (she wouldn't let me ride anything *pout*) and they stil had the signs posted, but I'm not sure if they were inforcing it. > "I headed over to the Wipeout next. This was by far > the > slowest run ride of this sort I've ridden before. > There were no forces keeping me to the outside of > the > car, so I was sliding all over the seat during the > short ride cycle." > > Not fun (or safe either). Were the newly-mandated > seat belts installed here? Nope, no seatbelts. And the cycle before mine, when they unlocked the lapbars to bring them down, there was a little kid who wasn't ready for it, and it fell and slammed into his lap and probably left a good sized bruise on his leg. He was limping when they let him off the ride. The way he'd reacted, I thought it had hit him somewhere else initially. Just all around not a good ride. Especially not two days after riding the one at Kennywood. > While some people don't like them, I really think > that > Zamperla really did a good job with this piece. I > beleive it was the first to get the capacity up to > eight on a propeller ride and to me the sensation of > getting tossed out of my seat is better here than on > any other ride of this type. > I haven't ridden any other propeller rides, but it is quite fun and if the cars rock the right ways, some of the dives can rival the face flips on the zippers. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bethtoons@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 12:57:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72978 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 19:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2003 19:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 19:57:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20030816195726.81439.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.245.136.59] by web12601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:57:26 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons --- George Burnash wrote: > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:43:07 EDT, > wrote: > It's also interesting to note that of those featured > so far, the lowest > "count" among any of them is 228, which is quite a > substantial number. If > that's the lowest, then I think it's pretty easy to > say that it's a pretty > exclusive group, and one that most of us likely > don't qualify for. At > least not with my "measly" count of 161. I'm not positive, and don't have any back issues handy in Muskegon to look it up this weekend, but I could swear I've seen at least one of the profiles in the last year with a count in the 50-75 range, and one of someone who doesn't count. *shrug* Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From coasterluvr@yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 17:51:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterluvr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50297 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 00:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 00:51:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web41901.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 00:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20030817005146.66122.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.238.73.81] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:51:46 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TR: Rye Playland Event To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: CoasterLuvr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146903996 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterluvr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got up at the crack of dawn to get the family ready for our 2 hour drive to Rye,NY. After getting lost thanks to some less than useful mapquest directions, we finally pulled up to Playland. They did not have the parking discount available yet so we had to pay the 7 bux to park. Then off we went to the registrations table. I met the charming and lovely Colleen Whyt from the ACE organization paid our monies...got our coupon for the discounted ticket books and found out that not only had the parking discount not gotten started yet but the food vouchers weren't ready and they hadn't told them what the ert would be on. Apparently the Westchester government runs Playland and they were not the most cooperative people that ACE has dealt with. The park itself is very pretty. All art deco buildings, a beautiful fountain and a boardwalk and beach. I realized as soon as I saw the boardwalk that it was the very same boardwalk where they filmed BIG. You know in the beginning when he finds that zoltan fortune telling machine and wishes to be BIG. I was really geeked about it. Anyway...we hung around and visited with Gene from RRC, who we met at the SFNE event earlier this season. He brought his grandniece for her first ever event! She was so cute. Ok back on topic After a confusing beginning we found the ert was being offered on their new crazy mouse, the mill ride and the derby racers. I went right away for the mill ride, I haven't ridden one since I was kid at Dorney when they had Journey To The Center Of The Earth. It was alot of fun, very cute little gnomes and troll type animatronics. Very loud and kind of wet. Next we headed for the mouse. I'm not usually a big mouse fan and this wasn't really a crazy mouse, I mean it didn't spin like the one I rode in AC, but nice short line so on we hopped. Absolutely GREAT ride. I did it twice in front and then once in back. It's good both ways. People in the picnic area were gathering next to the mouse outside the fence to watch us ride cause we were having such a blast and laughing like maniacs as it threw us around like mad. On our last trip around on the mouse we saw that they had added The Dragon to the ert, so we ran over to get in on that! They had one of the old trains on display and it was gorgeous. The new trains...neither gorgeous or comfortable. Turns out it didn't make much difference since the ride itself was totally forceless. We were in the third seat, no waiting for a certain seat on this, they don't allow that. I have never been on a coaster that was more boring than this one, It wasnt rough, it was smooth, but somehow they managed to take absolutely all the feeling out of this thing. No Woohoo on the drops, one tiny bit of airtime in the middle but the op had stapled us in so tight that even tho I knew it was there I didn't really feel it. A very big disapointment...oh well..even a boring coaster is better than no coaster at all. :-) We ran now over to the derby before the one hour ert ended and just made it. I have only been on the one at CP and I loved it but this one kicked its' ass! FAST! And the ride ops hop off and on while it's moving as if they are dancing. It was alot of fun. At this point we ran into Coleen and told her we had never gotten our meal coupon so she refunded a chunk of our money back that respresented the amount of the meal coupon...okay, that's good with me! We hit Nathans. Mmmmmmm great lunch. Now we were looking to use our tickets (the event included coupons to get their ticket books at a buy one get one free deal). We ate right next to the scooters and well since we WERE right there, we pretty much HAD to ride them next. They are very cute. Not beautiful like the ones at knoebels but cute and man they run like the wind! They are sooo fast I was really wailing on people with my car and then sliding away unscathed. They have signs all over that tell you to go only one way and yet this one kid continually turned around and drove into traffic...they stopped the ride and removed him! I was shocked...not in a bad way tho. We mistakenly said, lets hit the Hurricane! Let me just say that even tho I can usually find something to like about even the worst rides...I can think of nothing positive about this piece of ....well ya know. It was the most painful thing I have ever ridden. Then I saw it....and to me it was encircled in a golden glow of love....a flying bob! This one didn't have the more rounded cars like the ones in the ohio parks so maybe it was older? I don't know, but this was the best flying bobs EVER! They ran it forward and backward, a good long ride and they had a real DJ and he got people to yellin for more and faster and ...oooooh it was just awesome. After missing flying bobs for a good twenty years this year I rode 3 of them and I'm filled with pure joy over it. Man I'm a geek. LOL We meandered down the midway to what they called the mind eraser...it was a scrambler in the dark with lights and mirrors and loud music (livin la vida loca to be exact) and it was fast too...they like to run everything fast here....it was a ball. I think all scramblers should be put into little disco ball black light dome thingies. It was hot as hell so we decided to hit the arcade for a while. Then I sat for few in front of where the Zoltan machine should have been, watching the beach people and wishing I were wet really. We still had tickets so went looking to spend them but by now it was almost 2:30 , it was really hot and muggy and the lines were looking a tad long so we gave it up and left happy for the two hour ride in the air conditioning. Summing it up, I wouldn't mind going back (in cooler weather) but I would not redo the dragon or the huricane. Seems most of the flats here are run top speed and long circuits too, and that's a nice change. I give it an 8, it's got a good beat and you can dance to it. Jane --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Sat Aug 16 19:16:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15398 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 02:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 02:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 02:16:29 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.48.20f2a556 (3842) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48.20f2a556.2c703f78@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:16:24 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Rye Playland Event To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great report, I love how you make it more of a story of your trip rather then a review of rides. Flying Bobs are great too, Does Clementon still have theirs? You should return next year, you missed their Whip, which kicks the collective asses of Dorney's, Hershey's or Knoebels'. They are replacing the Hurricane too :) Good stuff there. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 22:37:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13162 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 05:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 05:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.56) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 05:37:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:37:23 -0700 Received: from 68.170.130.3 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:37:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Digest Number 1078 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:37:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2003 05:37:23.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2388E00:01C36481] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [68.170.130.3] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >Again you're right that *in general* such matters don't get made into >criminal matters, and >that *in general* nobody pays out of pocket. But -- as I noted before, but >you didn't seem >to notice -- child labor is a Bad Thing (tm) and states are more likely to >go after individuals >in that context than others, and they always have the option. And that's exactly what I'm saying. I've just seen so many cases like this that haven't been made into criminal matters. The law says that sodomy is illegal too, but nobody's going to jail for that either. =) My point is that it's not practical to go after one person in situations we've described in this thread. People break labor laws all the time, but I've never heard of anyone going to jail for such things, even if it is against the law. Fined, yes. Jail? No. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rumors@absolutelyreliable.com Sun Aug 17 04:01:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: rumors@absolutelyreliable.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43787 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 11:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 11:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO meson.liquidweb.com) (64.91.233.95) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 11:01:37 -0000 Received: from pool-138-88-209-30.res.east.verizon.net ([138.88.209.30] helo=WCHILDS) by meson.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19oLHw-0000Cs-R3 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:01:32 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c364ae$ed2bbea0$0301000a@wc.com> To: References: <1061110804.1634.17207.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: child labor - final thing Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:01:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - meson.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - absolutelyreliable.com From: "ARN&R" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=131811069 X-Yahoo-Profile: childs.rm Chris wrote: << And that's exactly what I'm saying. I've just seen so many cases like this that haven't been made into criminal matters. The law says that sodomy is illegal too, but nobody's going to jail for that either. =) My point is that it's not practical to go after one person in situations we've described in this thread. People break labor laws all the time, but I've never heard of anyone going to jail for such things, even if it is against the law. Fined, yes. Jail? No. >> OK, my last one on this too -- It's not as rare as you think. It's probably fairly uncommon in the amusement industry, but there are more criminal prosecutions for labor law violations than get publicized, especially child labor. Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And it's arguably more practical -- for a big company, a $3,000 fine (the maximum under NY law if memory serves) may be worth paying to have the workforce you need. For an individual guy, going to jail isn't. From Xcoaster@juno.com Sun Aug 17 11:07:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43862 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 18:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 18:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWg8jST/wWTioYcjEK9FjhRMMvUVJ4FxK1Q==">; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:06:06 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7S8E3QX; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:06:06 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:48:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: <20030817.110512.-1515363.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-24,35-37 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Elizabeth Aslakson writes: > > --- George Burnash wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:43:07 EDT, > > wrote: > > It's also interesting to note that of those featured > > so far, the lowest > > "count" among any of them is 228, which is quite a > > substantial number. If > > that's the lowest, then I think it's pretty easy to > > say that it's a pretty > > exclusive group, and one that most of us likely > > don't qualify for. At > > least not with my "measly" count of 161. > > I'm not positive, and don't have any back issues handy > in Muskegon to look it up this weekend, but I could > swear I've seen at least one of the profiles in the > last year with a count in the 50-75 range, and one of > someone who doesn't count. *shrug* > > Beth Hahaha! I have found one profile featured that will blow you all away! In fact, everyone was probably so caught up with the high count profiles that they didn't even notice it. 14. Yes, 14! And I did find someone who doesn't count, but what he thinks he has is still pretty huge. Here's all the counts I could find: (Winter 2002) 200, 446, 463, 14, (Summer 2002) 228, 387, 447, (Winter 2003) 492, 464, 492, 357, (Fall 2002) 447, 256, 375-400. I'll admit that all the profiles featured all have pretty high counts, but that could either be the magazine's fault or the people sending them in. I don't mind the profiles at all, it helps me put a name to some faces, and shows that some people sort of have lives away from coasters. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 15:06:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44695 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 22:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2003 22:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40014.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 22:06:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030817220606.54027.qmail@web40014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:06:06 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: Wipeout and GCCII bulletin To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Two (sort-of) safety-related ride things. First, in Elizabeth's recent TR she mentioned that the Wipeout owned by Wade Shows was run very slowly on her visit. I will say that I visited the Wilson County (TN) fair today and All American Amusements was running thier Wipeout slower than usual (although they did have thier seat belt kit installed). This could mean that Chance has ordered portable operators to run thier rides slower for some reason, or it could be nothing at all. I just found it interesting. Also, I stumbled across this the other day: http://www.naarso.com/great.pdf Nothing surprising, but newsworthy for those of us interested in the safety side of the industry. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Aug 17 19:55:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85875 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 02:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 02:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 02:55:28 -0000 Received: (cpmta 23270 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 19:55:27 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.118 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.119) with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 19:55:27 -0700 X-Sent: 18 Aug 2003 02:55:27 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.5] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: The Numbers Game (was Enthusiast help) X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030817195527.5682.h004.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Their jaws dropped. See the average person would think that around 50-75 is a lot. But in 'enthusiast' circles, you havent done anything till you've *at least* hit a hundred < Yeah, but what does that prove? If some of the hardcore enthusiasts have ridden 300 coasters, wouldn't most of it be a blur? I mean there's only so much difference between one Deja Vu and another, or one Arrow Corkscrew and another. To me the count is pointless. I've ridden four different Arrow mega-loopers, and I have no desire to ride any others. I know what they do, I get the idea and I've read about their construction and design. When I'm in a park with a coaster similar to one I've already ridden, I'll usually pass it up (unless it's a type of coaster I particularly enjoy, like a Schmeck out-and-backer). I also avoid coasters in parks that have a poor reputation for maintenance (not so it's unsafe, just needlessly uncomfortable). The result is that I've ridden over 100 coasters simply because of all the years I've been riding. I'm picky, and I don't care about my statistics as much as I care about enjoying my time in parks. And as was mentioned, many of us have other things to do besides ride coasters. So I enjoy getting to parks and riding new coasters when I can, but my existence isn't driven by that. That doesn't mean I don't like coasters as much as the guy who's ridden 492 of them; I just have different priorities. Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Sun Aug 17 19:57:36 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1991 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 02:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 02:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.114) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 02:57:36 -0000 Received: (cpmta 21558 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2003 19:57:35 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.118 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.114) with SMTP; 17 Aug 2003 19:57:35 -0700 X-Sent: 18 Aug 2003 02:57:35 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.5] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: The Numbers Game (was Enthusiast help) X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:57:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030817195735.7629.h004.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Their jaws dropped. See the average person would think that around 50-75 is a lot. But in 'enthusiast' circles, you havent done anything till you've *at least* hit a hundred < Yeah, but what does that prove? If some of the hardcore enthusiasts have ridden 300 coasters, wouldn't most of it be a blur? I mean there's only so much difference between one Deja Vu and another, or one Arrow Corkscrew and another. To me the count is pointless. I've ridden four different Arrow mega-loopers, and I have no desire to ride any others. I know what they do, I get the idea and I've read about their construction and design. When I'm in a park with a coaster similar to one I've already ridden, I'll usually pass it up (unless it's a type of coaster I particularly enjoy, like a Schmeck out-and-backer). I also avoid coasters in parks that have a poor reputation for maintenance (not so it's unsafe, just needlessly uncomfortable). The result is that I've ridden over 100 coasters simply because of all the years I've been riding. I'm picky, and I don't care about my statistics as much as I care about enjoying my time in parks. And as was mentioned, many of us have other things to do besides ride coasters. So I enjoy getting to parks and riding new coasters when I can, but my existence isn't driven by that. That doesn't mean I don't like coasters as much as the guy who's ridden 492 of them; I just have different priorities. Jay From Xcoaster@juno.com Sun Aug 17 23:19:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69480 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 06:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 06:19:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 06:19:00 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWkJatR7AKrFmFsL1FQHkWx9K3+eBTqpPBw==">; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:18:21 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7UJBU7A; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:18:21 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:17:00 -0700 Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster hair accident in Washington Message-ID: <20030817.231701.-1447197.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-9,12,16,18,20-24 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Why is it that all coaster deaths sound incredibly painful? Well, I haven't heard this mentioned anywhere else today, so I've taken the pleasure of typing this up out of the newspaper. It sounds like this one was caused due to overly long hair and working on the ride while it was in operation. Roller coaster kills man with long hair LANGLEY, Wash. - an amusement-park operator was killed yesterday when his hair got caught on a roller-coaster car, pulling him as high as 40 feet before he fell, back first, onto a fence. Doug McKay, 40, was spraying lubricant on the tracks of the Super Loop 2, a ride at the Island County Fair on Whidbey Island, when his long hair got caught on a car full of fairgoers, sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Smith said. "It basically scalped him, and he fell and landed on the fence," Smith said. McKay, co-owner of Paradise Amusements, based in Post Falls, Idaho, was pulled between 25 and 40 feet into the air. 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From StratBigShot@aol.com Mon Aug 18 00:19:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77810 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 07:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 07:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 07:19:51 -0000 Received: from StratBigShot@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.a4.3b6a4a6d (4426) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:19:48 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster hair accident in Washington To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122428876 X-Yahoo-Profile: xceleratorknotts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ironically, this was such an important incident, this hit our local news here in Las Vegas, but is Super Loop 2 really a coaster? it looked like a big loop with a car that is propelled back and fourth to make it go around the loop, like the Ring of Fire amusement ride. And you don't hear about other things. like when Tilt-A-Whirl card collide, this hit the news Also something that happened in Vegas yesterday with a huge Thunderstorm that hit Vegas, People first thought a tourists was Struck by lighting on the Strip out front of the Treasure Island, but she walked into rain runoff and an exposed Electrical Box Electrocuted her. (Just said this because in a way Vegas is a theme park experience in it self.) John (Stratosphere Tower - "You Can't Top This!" - Project X Sky = "X Scream") In a message dated 8/17/2003 11:21:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Xcoaster@juno.com writes: > Why is it that all coaster deaths sound incredibly painful? Well, I > haven't heard this mentioned anywhere else today, so I've taken the > pleasure of typing this up out of the newspaper. It sounds like this one > was caused due to overly long hair and working on the ride while it was > in operation. > > > > Roller coaster kills man with long hair > > LANGLEY, Wash. - an amusement-park operator was killed yesterday > when his hair got caught on a roller-coaster car, pulling him as high as > 40 feet before he fell, back first, onto a fence. > Doug McKay, 40, was spraying lubricant on the tracks of the Super > Loop 2, a ride at the Island County Fair on Whidbey Island, when his long > hair got caught on a car full of fairgoers, sheriff's spokeswoman Jan > Smith said. > "It basically scalped him, and he fell and landed on the fence," > Smith said. > McKay, co-owner of Paradise Amusements, based in Post Falls, > Idaho, was pulled between 25 and 40 feet into the air. > > > > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@juno.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cameron@buzzneon.com Mon Aug 18 06:12:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2680 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 13:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 13:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 13:12:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9355 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Aug 2003 13:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818131238.9354.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster hair accident in Washington To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:12:38 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "StratBigShot@aol.com" at Aug 18, 2003 03:19:48 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > but is Super Loop 2 really a coaster? If the 'general public' look at it and think 'coaster', then it's a coaster ... Regardless of what it really is! A sad thing to happen :-( Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Be there, be there * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm there & I like it! * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 07:15:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47219 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 14:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 14:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.157) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 14:15:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818141538.8745.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.149.148.224] by web20601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:15:38 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster hair accident in Washington To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- StratBigShot@aol.com wrote: > Ironically, this was such an important incident, > this hit our local news here > in Las Vegas, but is Super Loop 2 really a coaster? > it looked like a big loop > with a car that is propelled back and fourth to make > it go around the loop, > like the Ring of Fire amusement ride. And you don't > hear about other things. > like when Tilt-A-Whirl card collide, this hit the > news I know the proper "enthusiast" answer would be that a Super Loop 2 is a flat ride, but I see no harm in calling it a roller coaster. In fact, IMO, it passes the "Duck Test". You know, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck. At the very least, it could be considered a 'rollercoaster type ride' (which is how Magic Kingdom used to refer to Space Mountain and BTMR). And this is different than a Tilt-a-Whirl car bumping another. Someone died. You hear about deaths @ parks regardless of what ride it was on...or did you miss the news about the grandma that was killed by the Mondial Shake @ SFNO? lata, jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Mon Aug 18 07:59:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65883 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 14:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 14:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 14:59:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.145] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 14:59:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:59:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012501c36391$c7f907a0$02920843@cfl.rr.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1192 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Nelson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:43 AM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important > survey > > > > more than anything else, id love to see a big 2-page pullout poster > > of a coaster in each issue, just like, uhh.."those" kinds of > > magazines..you know, the ones guys only get for the "articles"! > > > > That would make such a great scene too... imagine your typical coaster > geek (arn't we all) at work, looking at a magazine on the job, opens > it slowly... and unfolds the Centerfold... and BOOM... he's surrounded > by other fellow workers who want to see what he is looking at. > > He turns the image around to show the long three page centerfold revealing > a uber-cool show of Top Thrill Dragster's 420 foot tower. ;-) whats worse is that after that my cube would be covered in these centerfolds. i already get weird looks for my coaster calender. of course at one job i had centerfolds from 'American Handgunner' all over my office, so... From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Mon Aug 18 08:16:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14132 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 15:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 15:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 15:16:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.131] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 15:15:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:15:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiasts help needed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3a.3d17e00b.2c6f1c09@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1533 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, xblack7x@a... wrote: > That is exactly my thought on it. It would be nice to see a magazine based > around coasters and parks that doesn't talk necessarily about in inner details > of the things, but more about the experiences. I should read like a travel > magazine, with articles about different parks and rides, both large and small, > as well as where the best deals are, coupons, and such. I think if it is > geared towards a middle ground that would give both the Enthusiasts as well as the > GP a decent amount of information, then it could be very successful. > > Nathan Brown i think a magazine like that could easily exist, especially if everyone from Cedar Fair and Universal to the Travel Channel and Discovery got involved on a economic and informational level at least. look at it this way; a company like Cedar Fair could give inside information on its parks, as well as offer coupons, etc. it could also pay to advertise, which would help them on a national level. though of course im sure that they would prefer it to be a "Cedar Fair-only" publication, i think a peaceful coexistence could be achieved between all the parks as far as coverage within the magazine goes, and thats where say Discover would come in, since their shows balance the parks pretty well anyways, so i would imagine the same could be done for a printed publication. honestly it really shouldnt be that hard, given that every other hobby has a magazine dedicated to it! From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 18 09:41:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81012 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 16:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 16:41:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out004.verizon.net) (206.46.170.142) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 16:41:20 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030818164119.LAMC14849.out004.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:41:19 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster hair accident in Washington References: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:41:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:41:18 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:19:48 EDT, wrote: > Ironically, this was such an important incident, this hit our local news > here in Las Vegas, but is Super Loop 2 really a coaster? it looked like a > big loop with a car that is propelled back and fourth to make it go > around the loop, like the Ring of Fire amusement ride. And you don't hear > about other things. like when Tilt-A-Whirl card collide, this hit the > news The Super Loop is the improved/ updated version of the Ring of Fire. As far as how they work, they're pretty much the same. As for being a coaster, there's one problem-it never coasts. It's powered all the way around. I liken it's operation more to an inverted ship than I would a roller coaster, with the major difference being that one has the ride attach on the sides/ top of the passenger area and the other does it on the bottom. But a coaster? no. >> Roller coaster kills man with long hair >> >> LANGLEY, Wash. - an amusement-park operator was killed yesterday >> when his hair got caught on a roller-coaster car, pulling him as high as >> 40 feet before he fell, back first, onto a fence. >> Doug McKay, 40, was spraying lubricant on the tracks of the Super >> Loop 2, a ride at the Island County Fair on Whidbey Island, when his >> long >> hair got caught on a car full of fairgoers, sheriff's spokeswoman Jan >> Smith said. >> "It basically scalped him, and he fell and landed on the fence," >> Smith said. >> McKay, co-owner of Paradise Amusements, based in Post Falls, >> Idaho, was pulled between 25 and 40 feet into the air. This, however, has to be one of the more gruesome deaths that I've heard about. The sad thing is, it seems like a bit of common sense would have prevented it. Why was he adding lubricant while the ride was in operation? Isn't that something that should be down when it's locked out so there is no danger of injury? You would think that the owner of the ride would know better. I'm also a bit shocked that the carnival just kept right on operating, though that seems to be standard fare when someone is injured or killed at one lately. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 09:51:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30030 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 16:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 16:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 16:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 16:51:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:51:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GADV Power Loss Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1034 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@a... wrote: > You think Magnum stuck is "outrageous news"? you should have heard what they > said tonight on the 5 o'clock news. They showed a video of CP and they said > "the power outage caused mass chaos and the people were getting so hot that they > were dunking their heads in the park's fountains" and they went on about that > making it seem like the air conditioning shut off and was killing > people....but the thing was, it didn't get any hotter....THEY WERE ALREADY OUTSIDE. > That always gets me (meaning, I have to laugh a little). You see, I live in the desert; Phoenix, AZ. It get's to over 100^ (well over 100^) about 100 days of the year, and you don't see people keeling over out here because of the heat. Now I know we don't have the humidity, but still.... My A/C died at the house (I mean died, like in I had to by a new one - $3,000 later...), and we were without it for almost 2 weeks! What I'm trying to say is, suck it up a little! ;) -Alan From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 09:56:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78249 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 16:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 16:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 16:56:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 16:56:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:56:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Coaster hair accident in Washington Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 268 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I'm also a bit shocked that the carnival just kept right on operating, > though that seems to be standard fare when someone is injured or killed at > one lately. Parks too. I can't think of one park aside from HW that has closed after a death recently. Adam From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 10:49:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88892 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 17:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 17:49:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 17:49:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818174913.54335.qmail@web20606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [171.75.59.43] by web20606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:13 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster hair accident in Washington To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Adam Sandy wrote: > > I'm also a bit shocked that the carnival just kept > right on > operating, > > though that seems to be standard fare when someone > is > injured or killed at > > one lately. > > Parks too. I can't think of one park aside from HW > that has > closed after a death recently. And that happened at the end of the regular day. We dont even know if *they* would have stayed open if the accident had happened earlier in the day. lata, jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Mon Aug 18 10:50:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54742 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 17:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 17:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO USSMTP04.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 17:50:55 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [10.92.254.174]) by USSMTP04.us.abb.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.4) with ESMTP id V7IH3FII28953 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:51:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GADV Power Loss MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:50:49 -0400 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by Router on MAIL05.US.ABB.COM/SRV/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/18/2003 01:50:50 PM, MIME-CD complete at 08/18/2003 01:50:50 PM, Serialize by Router on ABB-US01-USMTP2/US01/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/18/2003 01:47:36 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< From: "Chris Kearsing" Yes, there's catwalks all over [Chiller], exactly in the places you decribed. They also need to build them between the Zero-G rolls and the spike, because that's the ride's new favorite place to valley! >>> Wow, it can valley there? There's barely a dip -- it's like that carnie game with the bowling ball, trying to give it just the right momentum to get over the hump without going too far up the other side. http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery424.htm?Picture=5 OK, now that I look closely at a photo, I see that the dip is a little more pronounced than I remember. Still, that's gotta be tough to do. From scrunch17@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 10:51:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14517 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 17:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 17:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20609.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.167) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 17:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818175117.7215.qmail@web20609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [171.75.59.43] by web20609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:51:17 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GADV Power Loss To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Alan wrote: > That always gets me (meaning, I have to laugh a > little). You see, I > live in the desert; Phoenix, AZ. It get's to over > 100^ (well over > 100^) about 100 days of the year, and you don't see > people keeling > over out here because of the heat. Now I know we > don't have the > humidity, but still.... > My A/C died at the house (I mean died, like in I had > to by a new one - > $3,000 later...), and we were without it for almost > 2 weeks! > What I'm trying to say is, suck it up a little! ;) You can say that because you are used to it. Let it snow out there and get sub-zero temps and watch you "tough guys" start dropping like icicles! lata, jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Mon Aug 18 10:54:21 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52665 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 17:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 17:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO USSMTP04.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 17:54:16 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [10.92.254.174]) by USSMTP04.us.abb.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.4) with ESMTP id V7IH2JEI29301 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:55:15 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: CP this Sunday MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:54:11 -0400 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by Router on MAIL05.US.ABB.COM/SRV/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/18/2003 01:54:11 PM, MIME-CD complete at 08/18/2003 01:54:11 PM, Serialize by Router on ABB-US01-USMTP2/US01/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/18/2003 01:50:57 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Last request -- I'll be at Cedar Point this Sunday (Aug 24). Anybody care to meet up? If so, e-mail me off-list. Jon Z The First (who'll be reviving his WKRP signature soon) From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 11:02:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48459 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 18:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 18:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.107) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 18:02:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 18:02:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:02:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19b.19337557.2c6eb5b1@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1069 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 GEEKS: Now, even though I am an ACER, and I have been to ACE events, and I do keep count; I'm not a Coaster Geek! Not like some, anyway. (My spouse would beg to differ.) I encounter "them" all of the time. They drive me crazy. "Why can't you love coaster and be a normal person, too?", I think to myself. Sometime I feel like saying it out loud, but I'm too polite. We all have lives outside of this hobby; don't we? COUNT: I've seen and heard the counts of people, large and small. In comparison, my count is small (80-something). But who really cares?. I think someone already mentioned that it like a big p***ing contest. So what, you travel more. I travel too, but for other reasons; including Coasters. I happen to be a repeat customer. I don't marathon (ouch!), but some coasters I've been on countless (dare I say hundreds) of time, over the course of a life time. Again, who really cares? FUN: This is where I agree with many of you, and where I think the emphasis should be. Was it fun? If "YES", I'll ride it again, if "No", no thanks. -Alan From Xcoaster@juno.com Mon Aug 18 11:04:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17393 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 18:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 18:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 18:04:27 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWu3h1HX+zxlhG/AJB/Zl/EP368VsdNd5AA==">; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:03:43 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7VSPE96; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:03:43 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:02:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster hair accident in Washington Message-ID: <20030818.110235.-1969949.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-16,31-33 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:41:24 -0700 George Burnash writes: > The Super Loop is the improved/ updated version of the Ring of Fire. > As > far as how they work, they're pretty much the same. > > As for being a coaster, there's one problem-it never coasts. It's > powered > all the way around. I liken it's operation more to an inverted ship > than I > would a roller coaster, with the major difference being that one has > the > ride attach on the sides/ top of the passenger area and the other > does it > on the bottom. But a coaster? no. Yeah, I found this out last night. Being that it is like a Ring of Fire, it's likely even more dangerous to work on than a coaster while in operation. For one thing, it keeps going through the same section of track, again and again, rather quickly, so that in order to spray it you have to dash in and then out, and in the process some of his hair probably got stuck. Even worse still is that the Ring of Fire rides have the "coaster train" actually going through the entire track length at all times, just having the passenger pod only attached to one spot on the "train". This means that his hair could've possibly gotten caught on the ride even when the passenger pod was far away from him. And I could see someone mistaking it for a coaster since it does resemble a coaster, probably far more than any other flat out there (unless if you were to count a powered coaster or S:TE as a flat). I had my guesses that it was a flat from the name, but their mistake is easily acceptable. Although they did call him an "amusement-park operator"... Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Mon Aug 18 12:18:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66424 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 19:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 19:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 19:18:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2003 19:18:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:18:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Coaster hair accident in Washington Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030818.110235.-1969949.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2101 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 anyone got a picture of this thing? i think i remember it, but not sure. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Xcoaster@j... wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:41:24 -0700 George Burnash > writes: > > The Super Loop is the improved/ updated version of the Ring of Fire. > > As > > far as how they work, they're pretty much the same. > > > > As for being a coaster, there's one problem-it never coasts. It's > > powered > > all the way around. I liken it's operation more to an inverted ship > > than I > > would a roller coaster, with the major difference being that one has > > the > > ride attach on the sides/ top of the passenger area and the other > > does it > > on the bottom. But a coaster? no. > > Yeah, I found this out last night. Being that it is like a Ring of Fire, > it's likely even more dangerous to work on than a coaster while in > operation. For one thing, it keeps going through the same section of > track, again and again, rather quickly, so that in order to spray it you > have to dash in and then out, and in the process some of his hair > probably got stuck. Even worse still is that the Ring of Fire rides have > the "coaster train" actually going through the entire track length at all > times, just having the passenger pod only attached to one spot on the > "train". This means that his hair could've possibly gotten caught on the > ride even when the passenger pod was far away from him. And I could see > someone mistaking it for a coaster since it does resemble a coaster, > probably far more than any other flat out there (unless if you were to > count a powered coaster or S:TE as a flat). I had my guesses that it was > a flat from the name, but their mistake is easily acceptable. Although > they did call him an "amusement-park operator"... > > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@j... > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 12:28:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43981 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 19:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 19:28:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 19:28:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20030818192807.70232.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:28:07 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Coaster hair accident in Washington To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > anyone got a picture of this thing? i think i > remember it, but not > sure. Allow me :). I don't have a picture of a Super Loops, but the Ring of Fire is: http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/ringoffire.html and the Fireball is: http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/fireball.html Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “Times are hard for dreamers.” Amelie *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 18 13:55:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62409 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 20:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2003 20:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qbert.ibsys.com) (66.187.197.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 20:55:18 -0000 Received: from 10.0.0.24 (cfusion4.ibsys.com [10.3.0.54]) by qbert.ibsys.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id h7IKtHG21373 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:55:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200308182055.h7IKtHG21373@qbert.ibsys.com> Content-type: text/plain Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:54:42 -0500 Subject: From A Friend: 'Ride Investigation - NewsNet5' To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com (RollerCoasterTalk) X-eGroups-From: burn.doug@verizon.net (George Burnash) From: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash George Burnash has sent you a story: "Ride Investigation - NewsNet5" the link: http://www.newsnet5.com/video/2405740/detail.html Message from George Burnash: Found this today, a couple of days after it happened. Apparently an 8 year old boy was electrocuted by a bumper car ride at the Lake County Fair, and is currently in a coma. The video gives a bit more detail. George From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Aug 18 20:14:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95853 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 03:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 03:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 03:14:49 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1a5.1818538d (1320) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a5.1818538d.2c72f01f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:14:39 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The Numbers Game (was Enthusiast help) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/17/2003 10:56:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay@karenandjay.com writes: > And as was > mentioned, many of us have other things to do besides ride coasters. > So I enjoy getting to parks and riding new coasters when I > can, but my existence isn't driven by that. That doesn't mean > I don't like coasters as much as the guy who's ridden 492 of > them; I just have different priorities. > ok, well...I can see your point but.... I have a track record of 240 or so, and I can tell you that I have a whole bunch of priorities and I do a whole lot more than just ride coasters. I have a full time job, play in a band, have a prospective girlfriend that I spend time with, and go to a ton of shows. I have other hobbies, and my exsistence certainly isn't driven by coasters. Sure, I travel to plenty of places, but I have to agree that I love hanging out at parks, taking it easy and having fun. Of couse, I usually am able to hit all the coasters at least once, then I decide which ones I really like. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Aug 18 20:20:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20377 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 03:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 03:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 03:20:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:20:23 -0700 Received: from 24.50.145.146 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:20:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GADV Power Loss Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:20:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 03:20:23.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3846C10:01C36600] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.50.145.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman >That always gets me (meaning, I have to laugh a little). You see, I >live in the desert; Phoenix, AZ. It get's to over 100^ (well over >100^) about 100 days of the year, and you don't see people keeling >over out here because of the heat. Now I know we don't have the >humidity, but still.... >My A/C died at the house (I mean died, like in I had to by a new one - > $3,000 later...), and we were without it for almost 2 weeks! >What I'm trying to say is, suck it up a little! ;) Yeah, but you DON'T have the humidity, and that's the difference. The sun dehydrates, burns, and gives people skin cancer. Add humidity to that and you have people who can't breathe, who dehydrate much quicker, and suffer from heat stroke and heat exhaustion. I work outside, in the sun, with a polo shirt and khaki pants usually 6 days a week. I like the heat and I hate the winter, but the humidity in the summer is really difficult to work with. The humidity really changes the way people act-- both emotionally and biologically. Look at what's going on in parts of Europe right now! I guarantee I could come down and live in Arizona without a problem. It's the humidity I have trouble with. I can walk around in the humidity all day with long pants, dress shoes, and a polo shirt, but it does make the job more difficult. And plus, I'd like to see some of you desert boys come up here and deal with winter! Wear sunscreen! (No, seriously... wear it!) -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From MxPx2@aol.com Mon Aug 18 20:24:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88412 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 03:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 03:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 03:24:23 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.144.175eeec7 (1320) for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <144.175eeec7.2c72f262@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:24:18 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] CP this Sunday To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/18/2003 1:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com writes: > Last request -- > I'll be at Cedar Point this Sunday (Aug 24). Anybody care to meet > up? If so, e-mail me off-list. > > Jon Z The First (who'll be reviving his WKRP signature soon) I'll e-mail you on-list, since the ones off list are being a pain in my arse. I'll be there if you want to meet up.. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From supermanros@hotmail.com Mon Aug 18 20:38:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: supermanros@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24391 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 03:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 03:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.27.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 03:38:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:38:23 -0700 Received: from 24.50.145.146 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 03:38:22 GMT X-Originating-Email: [supermanros@hotmail.com] To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: GADV Power Loss Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:38:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 03:38:23.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[574AA2B0:01C36603] From: "Chris Kearsing" X-Originating-IP: [24.50.145.146] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64576021 X-Yahoo-Profile: newyorksuperman > Wow, it can valley there? There's barely a dip -- it's like that >carnie game with the bowling ball, trying to give it just the right >momentum to get over the hump without going too far up the other side. > http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery424.htm?Picture=5 Well, that's the funny thing. Premier Rides told them it could never valley up there (in between the zero-G roll and the spikes for those of you just tuning in), so they never built a catwalk at that location when the ride was installed. It turns out that Premier Rides was wrong. The ride can valley in that spot and this has occurred several times in the past few seasons. It usually happens when the LIMs on the spike fail to bring the train to the top of the track, and consequently the ride doesn't have enough speed to complete the reverse trip. The train will launch through the forward section of the ride without any problems, but the tower LIMs fail and the ride rolls backward prematurely, completes the zero-G roll, doesn't have enough momentum to complete the first inversion while traveling backward, rolls forward again through the zero-G, and stalls in the spot between the inversion and the spike. I'm sure they'll build a catwalk when they get tired of using the man lift. -Chris K- _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Aug 19 00:53:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25254 invoked by uid 7800); 19 Aug 2003 07:53:02 -0000 Date: 19 Aug 2003 07:53:02 -0000 Message-ID: <1061279582.136.25244.m17@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following RollerCoasterTalk poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: If PCW were to replace an existing coaster with something cool, which one should go? CHOICES AND RESULTS - SkyRider (Togo standup), 1 votes, 14.29% - Dragon Fyre (Arrow looping), 1 votes, 14.29% - Bat (Vekoma Boomerang), 3 votes, 42.86% - Wilde Beast (PTC wood - great ride!), 0 votes, 0.00% - Vortex (Arrow suspended), 0 votes, 0.00% - Minebuster (PTC wood), 0 votes, 0.00% - Ghoster Coaster (PTC wood - with a family somthing), 0 votes, 0.00% - Thunder Run (new one still using mountain), 0 votes, 0.00% - Top Gun (dj'ya, as if), 1 votes, 14.29% - Fly (Wild Mouse - too new), 1 votes, 14.29% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Tue Aug 19 04:32:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99448 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 11:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 11:32:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 11:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.160] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2003 11:32:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:32:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GADV Power Loss Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1532 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Kearsing" wrote: > >That always gets me (meaning, I have to laugh a little). You see, I > >live in the desert; Phoenix, AZ. It get's to over 100^ (well over > >100^) about 100 days of the year, and you don't see people keeling > >over out here because of the heat. Now I know we don't have the > >humidity, but still.... > >My A/C died at the house (I mean died, like in I had to by a new one - > > $3,000 later...), and we were without it for almost 2 weeks! > >What I'm trying to say is, suck it up a little! ;) > > Yeah, but you DON'T have the humidity, and that's the difference. The sun > dehydrates, burns, and gives people skin cancer. Add humidity to that and > you have people who can't breathe, who dehydrate much quicker, and suffer > from heat stroke and heat exhaustion. I work outside, in the sun, with a > polo shirt and khaki pants usually 6 days a week. I like the heat and I > hate the winter, but the humidity in the summer is really difficult to work im the exact opposite-i like winter, or at the least have a better tolerance for it then i do the heat. it gets above 80 and im in hell, but i could be in the teens and im fine. and no, im not a fatty fatty fat fat either. i dont know what it is, my body just handles cold better. and yeah, the humidity sucks. nothing like taking a shower, getting dressed, and then walking outside and having it feel like you forgot to towel off when you got out of the shower. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 06:08:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7006 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 13:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 13:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40003.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 13:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20030819130852.68823.qmail@web40003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:08:52 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: World's Largest Indoor Uphill Water Coaster Planned In Illinois To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Amusement Business PARKS & ATTRACTIONS August 18, 2003 World's Largest Indoor Uphill Water Coaster Planned In Illinois Businessman Joe Buralli plans to build what is believed to be the world's largest indoor waterpark in one of the four major buildings on the abandoned Motorola cellular manufacturing and distribution center in Harvard, Ill. Real estate closing for the 300-acre site, which includes four buildings with a combined 1.5 million square feet, is set for Aug. 28, Buralli told AB, declining to reveal the cost. Local media have reported that the facility is assessed at $63 million. Once he owns it, work will begin immediately on the 355,000-square-foot, six-story tall distribution center building. Distribution machinery, conveyors, and other items will be removed and the waterpark elements will be moved in. The high-bay area of the building is 58 feet tall with a 40,000-square-foot mezzanine surrounding the open area. Chicago-based HVS conducted the feasibility study and NBGS has designed the waterpark. The budget for the waterpark is $10 million. "We're ready to go," Buralli said, noting there will be "multiple pools and activity areas, a wave pool, rafting river, children's pools, multi-level tube and speed slides." Until the project is nearer completion, he said he didn't want to talk about the specific elements in the park. The centerpiece of the attraction will be the world's largest indoor Master Blaster uphill water coaster. The proposed waterpark itself will be approximately 300,000 square feet, about nine acres. "At 125,000 square feet, the Kalahari in the Wisconsin Dells is now the largest," Buralli said. BYE BYE MOTOROLA Motorola pulled out of the area on April 1, 2003, leaving behind the modern, air-conditioned buildings and a lot for Buralli to work with. The state-of-the-art center was built less than 10 years ago. The waterpark, which he expects to open by late spring 2004, is phase one of his plans for the 300-acre campus. Next will be a family entertainment center in the 660,000-square-foot manufacturing building. Inside will be go-karts, miniature golf, ice skating, archery, paintball, racquetball, laser tag, and possibly artificial snow boarding. A hotel and conference center is planned in the second phase, and further build out could possibly include condominiums in the third phase and a multiplex cinema in the fourth, he said. WATERPARK H20TELS USA The park and complex aren't named yet, but Buralli's company to develop the facility is named Waterpark H20tels USA. Many of the features that will be integrated into the project already exist on the property, including a fitness center, auditorium, classrooms, food service, daycare centers, basketball courts, and more than five miles of walking trails, all created by Motorola for its employees. Buralli said he expects to see the build-out of the project complete within six years. Initial marketing area is a 200-mile radius, which includes Chicago and Rockford, Ill., and Madison and Milwaukee Wis. Chicago's Metra commuter rail service stops in Harvard, just one-and-a-half hours from downtown Chicago, Buralli pointed out. "Right now, to find something like this, people have to drive nearly four hours to the Wisconsin Dells, which is a bit too long for it to be a day trip," Buralli said. "We are a very easy day trip for the entire Chicago area." Written by: Tim O'Brien ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 06:09:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48708 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 13:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 13:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.19) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 13:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030819130924.30912.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:09:24 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Camp Snoopy Adds Coaster To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Amusement Business August 18, 2003 MINNESOTA Camp Snoopy Adds Coaster A Gerstlauer spinning roller coaster, to be known as the Timberland Twister, will open in spring 2004 at Camp Snoopy in the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn. It's the first major new ride since 1998 and will be the park's second major roller coaster. This will mark the first installation of a Gerstlauer coaster in the United States. The ride will be 1,320 feet long and will reach a height of 54 feet. Riders will sit in four-person cars that spin on their own axis as the ride reaches a top speed of 31 mph. — T.O. ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 07:14:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10828 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 14:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 14:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.157) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 14:14:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20030819141457.6973.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:14:57 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: The Numbers Game (was Enthusiast help) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1a5.1818538d.2c72f01f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- MxPx2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/2003 10:56:18 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > jay@karenandjay.com writes: > > > And as was > > mentioned, many of us have other things to do > besides ride coasters. > > So I enjoy getting to parks and riding new > coasters when I > > can, but my existence isn't driven by that. That > doesn't mean > > I don't like coasters as much as the guy who's > ridden 492 of > > them; I just have different priorities. > > > > ok, well...I can see your point but.... I have a > track record of 240 or so, > and I can tell you that I have a whole bunch of > priorities and I do a whole lot > more than just ride coasters. I have a full time > job, play in a band, have a > prospective girlfriend that I spend time with, and > go to a ton of shows. I > have other hobbies, and my exsistence certainly > isn't driven by coasters. Sure, I > travel to plenty of places, but I have to agree that > I love hanging out at > parks, taking it easy and having fun. Of couse, I > usually am able to hit all the > coasters at least once, then I decide which ones I > really like. I'm like Josh, I do a ton of different things, yet still managed to hover around the 200 coaster mark. However, I not *discriminate* coasters like Jay does. If I see a boomer, while it's not a *priority* that I ride it, if time permits why not? Actually, when I'm with "T" it *is* a priority to ride them because *she* likes them (but was not pleased by either Two-Face or Deja Vu...HINKEY!) If you just travel *once* a year to a region of the country that you've never been to before it is quite easy to see your count rise. Of course if you're one of those 'small park snobs', it will take longer than if you visit corporate giants. whatev jeremy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 10:04:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1336 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 17:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 17:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 17:04:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.146] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2003 17:04:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:04:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GADV Power Loss (Weather) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 921 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Kearsing" wrote: > >SNIP> I guarantee I could come down and live in Arizona without a problem. It's > the humidity I have trouble with. I can walk around in the humidity all day > with long pants, dress shoes, and a polo shirt, but it does make the job > more difficult. And plus, I'd like to see some of you desert boys come up > here and deal with winter! > > Wear sunscreen! (No, seriously... wear it!) > You're right, I'm just pokin' fun. But I was talking with a friend in while in San Diego this summer (He's from San Francisco), and I was talking about leaving my workout clothes in the car, and that my shoes (leather) had shrunk! He said that those are things he just didn't realize. The same can be said for up North too (like un-freezing the lock to the car door without breaking the key - see I know some things ;)) -Alan From Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com Tue Aug 19 10:29:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon.zucker@us.abb.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77872 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 17:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 17:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO USSMTP04.us.abb.com) (12.40.253.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 17:28:51 -0000 Received: from ABB-US01-USMTP2.abb.com (abb-us01-usmtp2.abb.com [10.92.254.174]) by USSMTP04.us.abb.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.4) with ESMTP id V7JH1TAI23883 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:29:46 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: CP this Sunday MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:28:41 -0400 X-MIMETrack: MIME-CD by Router on MAIL05.US.ABB.COM/SRV/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/19/2003 01:28:41 PM, MIME-CD complete at 08/19/2003 01:28:41 PM, Serialize by Router on ABB-US01-USMTP2/US01/ABB(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 08/19/2003 01:25:27 PM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45154829 X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 <<< > I'll be at Cedar Point this Sunday (Aug 24). Anybody care to meet > up? If so, e-mail me off-list. I'll e-mail you on-list, since the ones off list are being a pain in my arse. I'll be there if you want to meet up.. >>> Oh, I almost forgot to ask...where can I get the best deal on a one-day admission to Cedar Point? The park opens Sunday at 9:30, I'll be there before then. If you can name a place to meet (or, some time/place later in the day), just let me know. I don't have a cell phone, so all arrangements need to be made in advance. Jon Z From jzerkel@effingham.net Tue Aug 19 14:49:32 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12821 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 21:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 21:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 21:49:29 -0000 Received: from lorenzer [12.34.177.172] by mail.effingham.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA1B117010A; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c3669b$bacd8120$acb1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: Wall Street Journal article Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: I have returned home following a quick trip to western Michigan where I accompanied my father to his army reunion. (with a quick side-trip to Michigan's Adventure for me...TR coming shortly!) When we rented our car in Grand Rapids, all the rentals came furnished with the current day's Wall Street Journal. The WSJ of Friday, August 15 contained a very interesting article that I wanted to share here. (I tried to just furnish a link to the WSJ website...but it requires a web subscription...so I will not attempt to re-type the entire article, but try to rehash it and hit the highlights.) THEME PARKS LOWER THE THRILL FACTOR Wall Street Journal Friday, August 15 by Paula Szuchman After years of pushing the envelope with faster, scarier attractions, theme parks are trying a new approach: tamer rides, with everything from slower coasters to a record number of 4-D movies. (Sample effect: Soap bubbles float around the theater at Universal's "Jimmy Neutron" movie.) One big vendor, Ride Entertainment Systems, says "family-friendly" thrill rides now account for 40% of its sales, up from about 25% in 2001. "Everyone's taking a breather," says Jim Futrell of the National Amusement Park Historical Association. Parks say they're hoping the gentler approach will bring in more families---and besides, they say, there are plenty of heart-stopping rides coming in the next few years. Industry watchers also say the big parks may also have a hard time spending right now. After a costly building boom in the late 90s, parks have watched both attendance and revenue fall over the last two years. [article snipped] According to Amusement Business, which tracks the industry, the number of new coasters has been declining steadily for the past four years, from 46 in 2000 to 19 this year. One of the biggest players, Six Flags, says that while it did open a bunch of thrill rides and high-speed coasters this year, it paid more attention than usual to attractions like water rides and kiddie coasters. "Some people just don't want to get on a ride that's going to go over 200 feet in the air," says Jim Danhauser, chief financial officer. But the biggest shift in the business has been toward 4-D movies---there are 13 major new ones in U.S. parks now, up from five last year, according to Pricewaterhouse-Coopers. Paramount's five parks now have a "SpongeBob SquarePants" attraction based on the popular TV cartoon, with seats that move along with the three-dimensional action on the screen. At Universal parks in Florida and California, it's "Shrek 4-D" with chairs that spurt water when one character sneezes. Another touch: Blowing air on viewers' feet feels like spiders. Not surprisingly, rides like these are a hit with the very young, along with their parents. "I have no clue what 4-D means, but it's cool," says Connor Sofia, a 9-year-old from the Chicago area, after seeing one in Florida. But the biggest fans may be parks themselves: Not only are 4-D rides usually less expensive to set up than some roller coasters, they can also cost one-fourth to one-fifth as much to insure. Another bonus: They can be quick to build. Universal had its two "Shrek 4-D" rides up in two years...while big thrill rides can be in the works for up to a decade. [rest of the article snipped] Well?? What does everyone think? Shall we discuss? I especially found it interesting when they mentioned the cost of insuring a 4-D ride vs. a traditional coaster. Personally, I think that parks are doing the RIGHT thing by moving away from building so many "extreme" rides. A park can bring in a lot more revenue by selling tickets to a family of five, than it can by just selling one or two tickets to a teenager or enthusiast who want to conquer the most recent "-est coaster." Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Aug 19 14:55:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60099 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 21:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2003 21:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 21:55:12 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.147.1787d8e4 (4328) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <147.1787d8e4.2c73f696@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:54:30 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CP this Sunday To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2003 1:31:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jon.Zucker@us.abb.com writes: > The park opens Sunday at 9:30, I'll be there before then. If you > can name a place to meet (or, some time/place later in the day), just > let > me know. I don't have a cell phone, so all arrangements need to be made > in > advance. > > Jon Z hm, well..OK. I guess we should have a couple of meeting points just in case we miss each other. The best place to pick up a discount CP ticket is TOPS. I'm not sure where the closest one to the park is, though. I'll have to look it up. Also, check with your hotel to see what kind of discount they offer. It's usually about the same everywhere. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Tue Aug 19 20:03:14 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96419 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 03:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 03:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 03:03:11 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.173.1e94564c (4312) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <173.1e94564c.2c743ed5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:02:45 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: CP this Sunday To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh cool I'm gonna be at Great escpae the same day you'll be at Cedar point. You'll have more fun though. It's my first visite so i'm excited. -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=Dainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 05:53:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36171 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 12:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 12:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 12:53:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820125323.57831.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.220] by web12601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:53:23 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TR: PKI 08/09/2003 & 08/10/2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons After the morning at Wyandot and an out of the way trip to Dayton to take my brother out for lunch, I finally rolled into a very full PKI parking lot around 4 pm. I wasn't set to meet up with Brian and J until 5, so I spent the hour assessing lines, and barely got in two rides. The first thing I rode was Adventure Express. There was nearly no line, so it went by quickly. For a mine train, this one seemed fairly well done, although the lift hill into the brakes was a little disappointing at the end. The lines for everything were massive, so I decided to wait out the carousel and caught a quick ride there before finally getting close enough to 5 pm to head to the designated meeting spot by Delirium. We wandered around a bit and headed back to guest relations to pick up a parent swap form before catching some short wait lines for the Racer. J and I rode the forward facing side first, and Brian and I rode the backwards side. We were getting shuffled around quite a bit on the forward side, and J's lapbar really stapled her in after the first hill, so it was an ok ride. The backwards side was a lot of fun, but the ride didn't really do much for me on either side. Lines were still packed in quite a bit, and we wandered around some more before queuing for the Flyers. It ended up being about a 40-minute wait, and we actually pushed the stroller through the queue and arranged something of an impromptu parent swap with the operators so we could all ride. After the last couple weekends, the flyers thing has kind of become a new theme for us. J has mastered the ones at PKI, and I was following suit pretty well. Brian was doing ok, but had at least one trip that wasn’t as successful as he'd liked. We ended up riding the flyers 3 times over the two half-day visits. We were having a great time on them on all three rides and were getting several comments from onlookers when we'd hit the trees or make the whole structure shake with a good snap. I am definitely starting to gain an appreciation for why these are such a favored ride. It was just starting to drizzle, William's diaper had leaked on my shirt, and Brian and J were getting hungry, so we headed out to the cars so I could change and to sit out the rain and eat a light meal. We were hoping the impromptu thunderstorm, and at least part of the park shutting down rides temporarily would drive more of the crowds away, but it really didn't seem to. When we headed back into the park, the crowds were the same as before and lines hadn't shrunk much at all. We were in the first group let back on the Eiffel Tower once it reopened and managed to get in a few pictures before the sun had completely set. After a second ride on the Flyers, Brian and I used the parent swap to get in two rides in 1-2 on Son Of Beast. While it wasn't as bad as I'd expected, we were definitely shuffling around a lot. The ride required a Mean Streak riding stance to avoid major back pain, and we weren't even over the wheels. The second ride seemed worse, and I had a headache and a backache once we came off the ride. As it was approaching closing time, J and I queued for Delirium. We were on the second to last ride, and using the parent swap again, Brian and I were able to be in seats 49 and 50 for the last ride of the night. I can't rave enough about this ride. I loved it when we rode it enroute to SRM, and I loved it both rides we had Saturday night. We headed out of the park, had a late microwave dinner at the hotel, and crashed about 2:30 am. Sunday morning we were up around 8:30 and got to the park shortly after 10 am. It was already packing in cars and people pretty steadily that early. We got into the park and made a quick trip through the kiddie area hoping lines wouldn't be bad yet and decided to skip the rides there in lieu of a beeline for Tomb Raider. When we got to Tomb Raider, it hadn't opened yet, so we passed it up and headed for Flight Of Fear. Brian and I waited for FLoF for around 30 minutes, and we parent swapped, so J and I rode the reride. This was impressively done with the queue and theming and something I'd have expected to see in one of those FL/CA parks and not in the south of Ohio. The ride itself was quite fun, I can only imagine how painful it was with the OTSRs though. There are some nice elements, and the lighting makes the ride more interesting as it's really not easy to see much more than the next element and any head chopper effects that may be coming up next. After maybe 45 minutes at FLoF, we headed back towards Tomb Raider, which had since decided to attract a 2 1/2 hour line. We decided to give up any hopes of riding it this trip and moved on to Vortex. What a jeckyl and hyde ride. It looks so sweet and innocent in it's nice setting nestled in among all the trees and then makes every effort to destroy that serenity by bashing your head into the restraints at any opportunity it can afford. I don't think there's even a decent defensive riding position to ease some of the blows. Some of the transitions are laughably painful and the corkscrews off the midcourse crawl. I'm getting a headache just thinking about it. Moving on... We grabbed a final ride on the flyers before stopping for a quick lunch at Skyline. Following lunch, we parent swapped on Adventure Express and headed back to the Action Zone. Face Off was sporting an hour-long line and didn't look to be running very efficiently and Drop Zone was down with maintenance problems, so we ended the visit at Top Gun. After a 15-20 minute wait and my klutzy balancing act attempting to get into the train (I lost my balance and almost nose dived into the channel in front of the train), Brian and I were off in the front seat. I had to think about it a bit, but since I've managed to miss Ninja at SFMM twice, this was only my second Arrow suspended after Iron Dragon. This one has some good speed behind it and swings out to the sides quite a bit and was just a lot of fun to ride. So, no Face Off, no kiddie coasters, no letting Beast attempt to redeem itself after my wheel seat ride in May, but aside from all that I think we did pretty well getting in several rides in two half days despite the large crowds. This is one of those parks that have been on my radar to visit for a long time and I'm glad I finally took the time to do so. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bethtoons@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 05:55:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21705 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 12:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 12:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 12:55:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820125413.57905.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.220] by web12601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:54:13 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons We left PKI shortly after 3 pm and arrived at Stricker's Grove just before 4 pm. Their family day schedule had ride times from 2-5 and 6-9, so we caught the last hour of one and the first hour of the other before leaving the park. I didn't want to cut the PKI visit any shorter than we had, and I didn't want to get on the road much later than we did, but I still wish we'd had a little more time at Strickers, we were really only able to ride things once, but it would have been fun to get William on a couple other of the kiddie rides and to take a couple repeat rides on the Tornado. As it was though, we packed several rides into those couple of hours. When we arrived, we headed for the Teddy Bear first. I feel like I've ridden a lot of kiddie wooden coasters lately. This was about the same size and layout as the Hillcrest/Kiddieland Little Dippers and rode in much the same manner as both of those. We then queued for the Tornado and Brian and J took a spin while I held William in the queue. I handed him off to J when they returned, and Brian jumped in for the reride with me in the back seat mentioning that this ride had at least one good "surprise". It was a nice double out-and-back with some decent air throughout, and a small double down that produced the "surprise" ejector air, which from the back seat slammed us into the lap bar pretty strongly. I think we found a good wooden coaster in Ohio. :) Unfortunately, we ran out of time to get another ride in after the 5-6 meal break. We attempted to queue for the flyers, which sit in a neat location between the two coasters, but they were just closing things up for the 5 pm break, so we headed back to eat out of the trunk of Brian's car again. We headed back in shortly before 6, grabbed some free drinks, and waited for the rope to drop reopening the ride area and immediately headed for the flyers. So, that makes 4 sets in two weeks... I'm ready for PPP. These weren't really snapping, but there were a few small snappish things that we aren't sure if we were creating or if one of the other riders were creating. I'm fairly certain that at some point I made contact with a tree though. J was able to talk the op into letting her ride the kiddie boat ride with William, and we all grabbed a ride on the miniature train. This goes in a square around the property line. It follows a cornfield around and behind the picnic area, circles the parking lot, goes under a small tunnel where the driveway into the park is, and follows the length of the Tornado back into the park. J and I queued for the Cuddle Up, and rode in a car with a little girl who was reriding it like mad. It was neat to see one of these in action as I'd only sort of heard of them and wasn't entirely clear on how the whole transfer from one disc to the other worked until I saw the ride up close. Of course, the trick to get the cars to spin is to do as the name says and cuddle up, as the weight distribution in the car affects how severe or not the spinning is. Brian and I rode the second round while J sat out with William. It was a lot of fun and another classic that I'm surprised hasn't made a comeback in a modern form. Brian and William took a turn on the Kiddie Tumblebug, and J took William on the helicopter ride before we ended the evening on the Tip Top flat ride. This was an odd ride, as there are several rider controlled spinning cars around the perimeter of a platform that rotates, and at various points through out the ride, the back of the platform raises and lowers. J and I were too imbalanced in our weight and couldn't get the car to spin without a lot of effort. Brian and I were able to balance it a little more closely and get it to spin. It was a strange but fun ride. By the time we left, it was shortly after 7 pm, and it was a long drive home. With some nasty construction on 75, it took me over an hour longer than it should have to get home, so it's probably good that we left when we did. Strickers was a neat little park. There wasn't an abundance of open green area aside from the parking lot and the cornfields, but more of a focus on the picnic with amusement rides. It was something of a contrast to Hillcrest last month, which had more of a backyard community park feel to it with the softball field, pool and lake. This felt more like a small amusement park than Hillcrest did. They had a few gems in the Tornado and the Cuddle Up, a handful of standards, and a good overall mix of family rides and activities. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Aug 20 06:36:43 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84020 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 13:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 13:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 13:36:42 -0000 Received: from lorenzer [12.34.177.67] by mail.effingham.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4799050102; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:15:37 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c3671d$e3a72380$43b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <20030820125413.57905.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:20:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Aslakson" > J and I queued for the Cuddle Up, and rode in a car > with a little girl who was reriding it like mad. It > was neat to see one of these in action as I'd only > sort of heard of them and wasn't entirely clear on how > the whole transfer from one disc to the other worked > until I saw the ride up close. Of course, the trick to > get the cars to spin is to do as the name says and > cuddle up, as the weight distribution in the car > affects how severe or not the spinning is. the Tip Top flat ride. This was > an odd ride, as there are several rider controlled > spinning cars around the perimeter of a platform that > rotates, and at various points through out the ride, > the back of the platform raises and lowers. OK....maybe I'm just completely dense here...(something that I've been accused of more than once in the past).... but WHAT, exactly, is the difference between a Cuddle-Up, and a Tip Top, and a Tilt-A-Whirl?? It seems to me like they are basically just three different rides that all do exactly the same thing. Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) who probably hasn't ridden a Tilt-A-Whirl for about 25 years. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 07:02:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47995 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 14:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 14:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40011.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 14:02:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820140244.71609.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:02:44 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001101c3671d$e3a72380$43b1220c@lorenzer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > but WHAT, exactly, is the difference between a > Cuddle-Up, and a Tip Top, and > a Tilt-A-Whirl?? Cuddle-UP (actually a Crazy Daisy): http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_2975606/Stricker%27s+Grove+July+4th/Crazy+Daisy.jpg?bcOJ4Q_A4O9M9H4t Tilt: http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/tiltawhirl.html Tip Top: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X2D9546A5 The Crazy Daisy is a tea cup ride with two interconneted platforms upon which the cars roll and spin depending on rider weight. The Tilt is one large platform is angled up and down and the cars spin depending on wieght and speed. The tip top is a flat platform that spins with cars, but once up to speed it is pushed up about ten feet or more by air pressure and bounces. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 20 07:17:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8007 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 14:17:17 -0000 Received: (cpmta 20400 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 07:17:13 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.129 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.114) with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 07:17:13 -0700 X-Sent: 20 Aug 2003 14:17:13 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.19] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Coaster hair accident in Washington X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030820071713.26612.h015.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > A sad thing to happen < Yes it is, and needless. My boss at Mountain Park wouldn't hire anyone to run or maintain a ride unless their hair was cut short. He knew that heavy machinery and long hair don't mix. Jay From magspauldrock@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 07:20:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: magspauldrock@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33011 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 14:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 14:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40112.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 14:20:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820141955.23503.qmail@web40112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [155.44.106.141] by web40112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:19:55 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Harvard IL Waterpark To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1061372608.249.58509.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Maggie Spaulding X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3958478 X-Yahoo-Profile: magspauldrock If you go to Harvard during the first weekend of June, you can see the streets painted white for "Milk Day" - I wonder if the waterpark will do something like white water for that weekend! The giant cow is always on display... http://www.outdoorsnow.com/out060201.htm ===== Perform a random act of literacy! See what I mean at: http://bookcrossing.com/friend/mozzfan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Aug 20 07:38:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13173 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 14:38:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14836 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Aug 2003 14:36:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820143636.14835.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster hair accident in Washington To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:36:36 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20030820071713.26612.h015.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> from "jay@karenandjay.com" at Aug 20, 2003 07:17:12 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > > A sad thing to happen < > > Yes it is, and needless. My boss at Mountain Park wouldn't > hire anyone to run or maintain a ride unless their hair was > cut short. He knew that heavy machinery and long hair don't > mix. My parents ran a knitwear factory in Melbourne for close to 40 years, they wouldn't let any of the machine operators have long hair. In fact when I worked there over summer vacations, I had to get my hair cut short, too. No loose clothes, ties, necklaces, etc.. One would think that anyone operating any piece of heavy machinery, would know to keep their hair cut short.. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Carp! * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I still can't typo.. * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 07:46:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29874 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 14:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 14:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40018.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 14:46:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820144635.23539.qmail@web40018.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40018.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:46:35 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Coaster hair accident in Washington To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030820143636.14835.qmail@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Two things: As far as I know, this guy did not have long hair. In fact, according to some of the carnies I talked to, his hair was usually kept short. Secondly, I really don't feel there is a safety issue. As Dave Althoff brought up on Coasterbuzz there are a lot of things, including neckties, that pose an equally hazardous problem as hair. The problem was that the ride should have been locked out- it should not have been maintained while running. Safety violations were the cause of the accident, not long hair. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Wed Aug 20 08:09:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40235 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 15:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 15:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 15:09:37 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030820150650.PDRB29617.out003.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:06:50 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 References: <20030820140244.71609.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:06:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030820140244.71609.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:06:49 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Adam Sandy wrote: >> but WHAT, exactly, is the difference between a >> Cuddle-Up, and a Tip Top, and >> a Tilt-A-Whirl?? > > Cuddle-UP (actually a Crazy Daisy): > > http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_2975606/Stricker%27s+Grove+July+4th/Crazy+Daisy.jpg?bcOJ4Q_A4O9M9H4t Link isn't working for me Adam. Not sure why. In any case, I did find another page with some information and pictures of the park. http://ohiothemeparks.homestead.com/SGFlatMain.html The Crazy Daisy (cuddle up) is about 1/2 way down, and the pictures will expand when clicked on. BTW, there is a modern version of the ride. It's at DCA and called Francis' Ladybug Boogie, though it only operates with 3 or 4 cars. You'll find a nice picture of the ride here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?R16D216A5 And a bit more information about the ride along with some links to other pictures here:\ http://www.mouseinfo.com/california- adventure/goldenstate/bugsland/attractions/francis/ keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 08:16:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72508 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 15:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 15:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40020.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 15:16:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820151538.82592.qmail@web40020.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40020.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:15:38 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > BTW, there is a modern version of the ride. It's at > DCA and called > Francis' Ladybug Boogie, though it only operates > with 3 or 4 cars. You'll > find a nice picture of the ride here: > http://makeashorterlink.com/?R16D216A5 I believe that is a Zamperla Deomlition Derby: http://www.zamperlarides.com/main/section2/demoliti.htm Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Wed Aug 20 08:18:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27774 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 15:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 15:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 15:18:04 -0000 Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7KFI00U030119 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:18:01 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:17:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c3672e$3c65d8d0$2c801dac@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Greg Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 There's another cool variant on the tilt-a-whirl concept called a Waltzer. I'm not sure if any exist in the US anymore (or if any ever did, for that matter), but a few of them still run in the UK, at least. Picture a tilt-a-whirl on a larger platform, with MUCH heavier cars that really want to spin. For some of them, add a guy who walks the platform making sure the cars are spinning. It's insane, and lots of fun. I have a few pictures of the one at Southport Pleasureland on this page (scroll down for the thumbnails, click on them for the full image) http://www.gregleg.com/coastershrine/Pleasureland/ --Greg "Classic case of rebuilding the airframe while the plane's in flight..." -- Don Brinker From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 20 09:43:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94704 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 16:43:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.119) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 16:43:54 -0000 Received: (cpmta 4942 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 07:57:02 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.125 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.119) with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 07:57:02 -0700 X-Sent: 20 Aug 2003 14:57:02 GMT Received: from [140.186.102.19] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal article X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:57:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030820075702.29400.h011.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Well?? What does everyone think? < I think it's a good move. I'm not sure about the rationalization: "Some people just don't want to get on a ride that's going to go over 200 feet in the air." If it's a good ride, people will try it. Yes, there are some people with acrophobia, but if the ride experience is great people will often put aside their fears. SROS is a good example. People who normally wouldn't ride coasters try it because they've heard how good it is. Once again we're back to that old addage, "It's not the size that counts...." My hope is that not having to shell out multi-millions for record-breaking rides will allow parks to focus on quality attractions. Jay From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 10:15:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16264 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 17:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 17:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 17:15:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2003 17:13:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:13:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal article Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c3669b$bacd8120$acb1220c@lorenzer> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1945 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "One big vendor, Ride Entertainment Systems, says "family-friendly" thrill rides now account for 40% of its sales, up from about 25% in 2001. "Everyone's taking a breather," says Jim Futrell of the National Amusement Park Historical Association." One thing to remember is that R.E.S. sells almost exclusively coasters and towers (with a few carousels thrown in), so I think they are counting things like the Gerstlauer coaster at Mall of America in that stat. "But the biggest fans may be parks themselves: Not only are 4-D rides usually less expensive to set up than some roller coasters, they can also cost one-fourth to one-fifth as much to insure. Another bonus: They can be quick to build. Universal had its two "Shrek 4-D" rides up in two years...while big thrill rides can be in the works for up to a decade." That timeline doesn't really mean anything. Large coasters that most parks install take 1-2 seasons prep. while a 4-d takes one season. Comparing Universal and most parks doesn't really work. "Well?? What does everyone think? Shall we discuss? I especially found it interesting when they mentioned the cost of insuring a 4-D ride vs. a traditional coaster. Personally, I think that parks are doing the RIGHT thing by moving away from building so many "extreme" rides. A park can bring in a lot more revenue by selling tickets to a family of five, than it can by just selling one or two tickets to a teenager or enthusiast who want to conquer the most recent "-est coaster." I think that parks are merely rounding things out. I believe we will still see tower rides and coasters in parks, but that parks will just be returning to a more traditional timetable of 5-10 years for adding a coaster. To me a well-rounded park is the most important thing to have and right now parks are just playing catch-up. Call it a trend if you want, but it just seems to be business as usual. Adam From jzerkel@effingham.net Wed Aug 20 14:11:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79734 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 21:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 21:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 21:11:21 -0000 Received: from lorenzer [12.34.177.192] by mail.effingham.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A28A66A00DA; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c3675f$7f55f680$c0b1220c@lorenzer> To: References: <000501c3672e$3c65d8d0$2c801dac@raven> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Legowski" I > have a few pictures of the one at Southport Pleasureland on this page > (scroll down for the thumbnails, click on them for the full image) > > http://www.gregleg.com/coastershrine/Pleasureland/ Great pics, Gregleg! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the picture of the giant, spinning wooden wheel. Maybe the Brits aren't quite as litigation-insane as we are here in the states. Also, I absolutely *loved* their name for the Vekoma SLC. "TraumaTizer"....how appropriate! lol When did you make this trip? Jon Z Zerkel, not Zucker From gregleg@gregleg.com Wed Aug 20 15:15:30 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48298 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 22:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2003 22:15:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 22:15:28 -0000 Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h7KLg30U009133 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:42:03 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: Stricker's Grove 08/10/2003 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:41:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c36763$e00c46b0$2c801dac@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002301c3675f$7f55f680$c0b1220c@lorenzer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal From: "Greg Legowski" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > When did you make this trip? Last summer -- I did the first week of ACE's "European Coaster Odyssey" (and in retrospect, I really wish I'd done both weeks, even though it would have left me with no vacation time for the rest of the year. Still, given I really only had time for one, the first week was the right one for me) More details at: http://www.gregleg.com/coastershrine/Europe/ --Greg "Classic case of rebuilding the airframe while the plane's in flight..." -- Don Brinker From afrsandy@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 06:51:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12159 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 13:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 13:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40002.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.20) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 13:51:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030821132349.84796.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:23:49 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 06:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: Flyer for Carowinds To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy There has been a lot of speculation of late that Carowinds is getting a Vekoma Flying Dutchman. Well, apparently the Charlotte Observer has a story that confirms it: http://www.carowindsconnection.com/observerstealth.JPG The interesting thing will be to see if the rumors that Stealth is moving to Carowinds come true. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Thu Aug 21 08:17:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64067 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 15:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 15:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 15:17:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2003 15:12:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:12:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: a SFNE article...sorta... Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4956 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 thought you guys might find this interesting. i found in one of our local alt-weeklies; http://www.weeklydig.com/dig/content/4366.aspx One Last Ride by Nolan Gawron The childlike giddiness that swept me out of bed and onto the highways at the crack of dawn started to wear off somewhere around W. Springfield. With just two miles to go and the visible high rise of rollercoasters off in the distance, traffic slowed to a complete standstill. For the next hour and a half I questioned why exactly it was that I had chosen an August Sunday for a journey to Six Flags. Thanks in part to my poor timing, the most common theme at this theme park was the constant wait time. General admission to the Six Flags New England will run you $39.99, but if you're like me and you've already waited in too many lines just to get through the front gate, you can shell out even more money for a Speed Pass. A technological advance in legalized line cutting, an additional $20 (plus $10 for each additional member of your party) will get you a computerized pass that allows you to more fully maximize your time. Swipe the pass at any of the more popular rides and you are automatically queued up and given a set time to come back. At that point, you swipe the pass again, proceed through a special entrance and stand in a much shorter VIP line. There are only a limited number of these passes sold each day, and to get one - you guessed it - you have to once again wait in line. With a Speed Pass in hand, we made a quick run through the park, swiping our pass on all the attractions we wanted to ride. The problem was we had two hours until our first ride reservation, so what else could we do but wait in yet another line. At this point I had to start entertaining myself during the wait. I recommend counting the "bootylicious" shorts and tees. They seem to be a popular item. Together with the ancient old man mermaid tattoos and the surplus of mullets, it seems any amusement park is a prime place for people watching. Plus, I guarantee you haven't seen this many sets of braces since your days in middle school. Finally, just a mere five hours after leaving Boston, we were aboard our first rollercoaster. And of course, thirty seconds or so later, it was over. The Mind Eraser, as it was so fittingly named, is a suspended coaster with hard plastic head restraints. The coaster shook and jerked so much that your head constantly bangs back and forth against the restraints. While the ride was pretty intense, with several loops and moderate drops, it was the resulting lightheadedness from the cranium abuse where I got my overall physical stimulation. For the next half hour, I walked through the park in a complete daze. But then again, I did have those magic cookies. What was in those anyhow? Eventually our Speed Pass began beeping and we began rejoicing. Our patience had paid off and for once we wouldn't have to wait in line. So off we headed to Scream, a freefall ride that catapults you up 20 stories and bounces you up and down in increments before dropping back down those 20 stories. This was pretty intense. At the top, you're charmed with a spectacular view of the muddy Connecticut River and a tip-top panoramic view of the park itself. After getting off this ride, I had a renewed faith in the park and my childlike giddiness returned. My legs were trembling as the jubilant juices of adrenaline began overtaking my body. Next it was off to the Cyclone. Like all classic wooden rollercoasters, the Cyclone's rickety cars and iron rails jar you along the track like a Sears paint shaker. With borderline whiplash from high speeds and sharp turns, we were reminded of why we shared a reverence for these classic coasters. With one hour left until the renowned Superman coaster, it was on to another classic - the Swing. The Swing is an old standby. The lines are usually pretty empty, the ride time is relatively long and there's nothing quite as relaxing as kicking your legs through the air as you spin your scenic spin. We must have ridden this one three times in a row before hustling over to the Superman ride of steel. Quickly making our way up to the front, I wondered if this was really the "Best Rollercoaster in the World" as the sign in front casually boasted. Made by the Swiss, the ride is a lengthy 155 seconds, reaches speeds of 80 miles per hour and assures the rider of 10 seconds of weightlessness. My whole day had culminated to this moment. I took it all in and in doing so, all of the effort, the money, and the wait time seemed to pay off. I'm not going to say it's the best ride in the world, but I couldn't help but replay the ride in my head the whole way home. I guess most good things come with patience. Whether it's waiting for the return of summer or waiting in those lines for the coaster, the key is to enjoy it when the wait is over. From bethtoons@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 09:54:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54820 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 16:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 16:54:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12604.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.227) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 16:54:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20030821164739.61964.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.220] by web12604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:47:39 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Flyer for Carowinds To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030821132349.84796.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons --- Adam Sandy wrote: > There has been a lot of speculation of late that > Carowinds is getting a Vekoma Flying Dutchman. > Well, > apparently the Charlotte Observer has a story that > confirms it: > http://www.carowindsconnection.com/observerstealth.JPG > > The interesting thing will be to see if the rumors > that Stealth is moving to Carowinds come true. The official press release is: http://www.carowinds.com/corpinfo_press19.jsp and the PGA press release is: http://www.pgathrills.com/corpinfo_press_boomerang.jsp It's easy to imply between the two press releases that the move is happening, but it's not specifically stated that the coaster is the exact same piece of machinery. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From edi_meister@yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 11:07:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24823 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 18:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 18:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.129] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2003 18:06:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:06:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: NEWS: PGA has officially announced Stealth's replacement with a waterpark Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 388 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 216.175.80.69 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Stealth closes permanently on Sept 2, 2003. http://www.pgathrills.com/corpinfo_press_boomerang.jsp Anyone wanting to make an emergency run up to PGA should be warned that only one train has been running all summer. Lineups can easily be two hours long, and they close the queue at least an hour before park closing. And PGA closes at the absurd hour of 8:00pm during the week. Andrew From dbacks17@cox.net Thu Aug 21 16:26:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: dbacks17@cox.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22945 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 23:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2003 23:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 23:26:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2003 23:25:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:25:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: SFMM Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Scott Price" X-Originating-IP: 209.154.100.3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112462759 X-Yahoo-Profile: s_i_price Hey guys and gals - I think I posted this already, but what the hey, I'll do it again... I'm heading to Magic Mountain October 18 and 19. Anyone else gonna be there? I know October is a weird time to go, but my wife teaches High School, and that's when we can get away . . . BTW - you might want to answer to my email dbacks17@cox.net - I check it far more frequently than the website! Scott From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 21 20:03:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 703 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.115) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 03:03:22 -0000 Received: (cpmta 13326 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 20:03:20 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.116 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.115) with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 20:03:20 -0700 X-Sent: 22 Aug 2003 03:03:20 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.155] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Coaster hair accident X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:03:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030821200320.22768.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > As far as I know, this guy did not have long hair. < "LANGLEY, Wash. - An amusement park operator was killed yesterday when his hair got caught on a roller-coaster car, pulling him as high as 40 feet before he fell, back first, onto a fence." I can't imagine a buzz cut getting caught on a coaster car. ;-) Jay From jay@karenandjay.com Thu Aug 21 20:11:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 466 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 03:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 03:08:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.119) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 03:08:25 -0000 Received: (cpmta 14358 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 20:08:13 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.116 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.119) with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 20:08:13 -0700 X-Sent: 22 Aug 2003 03:08:13 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.155] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: MISC: eXtreme Rollercoasters X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030821200813.18951.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I don't like the title, but this seems like an impressive collection that just came out on DVD. My wife found it at FYE. I haven't watched it yet, but it's two hours long and features chapters entitled Hyper Coasters, X-treme (gee, wonder what that is...), Big Wood, Medusa -- 20 chapters in all. There's no info on the jacket as to who made it. Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Aug 21 20:16:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60625 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 03:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 03:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buzzneon.com) (64.254.223.22) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 03:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21132 invoked by uid 1000); 22 Aug 2003 03:16:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20030822031600.21131.qmail@buzzneon.com> Subject: Well, I think I'm done :-( To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com (Talk Coaster) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:16:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon After yet another disappointing visit to a park, I think I'm going to call it quits. It's simply not fun anymore. :-( This year has just been one suck-fest after another, and I'm kind of tired of it. Ironically, Paramount Great America was ok; and Santa Cruz Board-walk was certainly a high-point ... but I think it's time to walk away for a while. I am still going to go to Indy Beach this weekend since I already have the hotel, and a friend of mine from Indianapolis will probably drive up (and I am looking forward to seeing list members up there). However after that, I'll probably do little more than lurk on this list. You guys are a terrific bunch, and I've thoroughly enjoyed my time here. Cam. -- Cameron Silver: ** Stop ahead * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Pay toll. * / //\ ******************************************************************* \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From Xcoaster@juno.com Thu Aug 21 23:13:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1534 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 06:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 06:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 06:13:37 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWiNyDc2XTd2fG8mysel3YWD9v+CVJBT26g==">; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:12:40 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H76TLBUU; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:12:40 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:10:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Well, I think I'm done :-( Message-ID: <20030821.231113.-1327247.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-26,28,36-38 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:16:00 -0500 (CDT) cameron@buzzneon.com writes: > > After yet another disappointing visit to a park, I think I'm going > to > call it quits. It's simply not fun anymore. :-( > > This year has just been one suck-fest after another, and I'm kind > of > tired of it. Ironically, Paramount Great America was ok; and Santa > Cruz Board-walk was certainly a high-point ... but I think it's > time > to walk away for a while. > > I am still going to go to Indy Beach this weekend since I already > have the hotel, and a friend of mine from Indianapolis will > probably > drive up (and I am looking forward to seeing list members up > there). > However after that, I'll probably do little more than lurk on this > list. > > You guys are a terrific bunch, and I've thoroughly enjoyed my time > here. > > Cam. *Sigh* Well, I'm sure we'll all miss you Cam. I'll also miss the sig, in all these years I never really was sure what it was. A ski? Sorry it's no longer any fun and that you've got "park burnout". It's too bad one of your best park trips this year was to PGA. Even though you'll have stopped posting, if you keep lurking, it will be like you're still there, watching over us. Yay. Also, thanks for being the first person to welcome me to the list way back when. Either way, it's been fun. Have a nice life, try to have some enjoyable park visits eventually, maybe go to Disneyland or somewhere happy. Keep (start?) lurking. Have fun. See ya. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 22 00:17:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29654 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 07:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 07:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 07:17:39 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-015castocp0056.dialsprint.net ([63.187.144.56] helo=Laptop) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19q6Az-0003HP-00 for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:17:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:17:33 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Flyer for Carowinds References: <20030821164739.61964.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030821164739.61964.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 From: George X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Aslakson wrote: >> >> The interesting thing will be to see if the rumors >> that Stealth is moving to Carowinds come true. > It's easy to imply between the two press releases that > the move is happening, but it's not specifically > stated that the coaster is the exact same piece of > machinery. There have been very, very heavy rumors about this move out here for a couple of weeks now, and it seems like these have finally verified what the rumors have been saying. Even down to Stealth being replaced by a waterpark (with the slides supposedly coming from PKI as they massively overhaul their own water park area.) The one thing that I'm becoming more and more grateful for is finally making it back to the park this year and managing to catch a ride on Stealth before they closed it up. I would have really been upset if I had missed it completly. Now the big question is, are they going to be doing some work to improve it's operating efficiency and smoothness issues when they move it? keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one neverending Thrillride! From doug_nelson@tufts-health.com Fri Aug 22 04:56:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: doug_nelson@tufts-health.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44676 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 11:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 11:56:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 11:56:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2003 11:54:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:54:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Well, I think I'm done :-( Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030822031600.21131.qmail@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 877 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Doug Nelson" X-Originating-IP: 12.41.40.20 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104241104 X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, cameron@b... wrote: > > After yet another disappointing visit to a park, I think I'm going to > call it quits. It's simply not fun anymore. :-( > > This year has just been one suck-fest after another, and I'm kind of > tired of it. Ironically, Paramount Great America was ok; and Santa > Cruz Board-walk was certainly a high-point ... but I think it's time > to walk away for a while. > > I am still going to go to Indy Beach this weekend since I already > have the hotel, and a friend of mine from Indianapolis will probably > drive up (and I am looking forward to seeing list members up there). > However after that, I'll probably do little more than lurk on this > list. > > You guys are a terrific bunch, and I've thoroughly enjoyed my time > here. > > Cam. purely out of curiosity, what has caused this change of heart? From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 08:47:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69001 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 15:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 15:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40018.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 15:19:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20030822151920.13678.qmail@web40018.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40018.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:19:20 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: Paramount's New Direction To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy For those of you who did not hear, Canada’s Wonderland announced the purchase of a Volare for 2004, which means that it, along with the Prater’s, will open next year. On a different note, what is Paramount smoking? I thought that with the death of the previous management team we would no longer get installations that make as much sense as Hypersonic. However, this seems to take the cake. First off, the figures I have heard for dismantling, transporting (probably by ship or rail would be the cheapest) and erecting Stealth will be $2-3 million dollars. How much does a Huss Giant Frisbee cost installed?- $3 million dollars and the only mechanical headache on that has been the floor. I have heard nothing but bad things about the operational quality of this coaster and I am sure that the crew at Carowinds is not looking forward to explaining to people why their new coaster has a two-hour, one-train wait. I don't have a problem with the way the Vekoma flyers ride...it is all of the operational problems that come with them. I found PGA an odd decision, too. While waterparks are good gate additions in most places, California seems to be the exception. This has a saturated market in terms of waterparks and I have a hard time believing that this will create a lot of new interest in the park. My guess is that it will increase a bit the first year, but after that they will hold steady and just get people planning part of their visit split between the two parks instead of bringing in new guests. Also, what is their marquee coaster now, Top Gun? That is two removed coasters in less than a year; this park is a lot less over saturated on coasters than some others. ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From bethtoons@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 10:52:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63691 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 17:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 17:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12605.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.228) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 17:51:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20030822175140.44218.qmail@web12605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.120] by web12605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:51:40 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Small TR: Michigan's Adventure 08/15/2003 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons After a bad day at work on Friday (I work for Consumer's Energy in Michigan, after the blackout we were under stage 2 emergency conservation which means the AC in the building was turned off and 70% of the lights in the building were turned off and we were expected to work a full day) I set off for Muskegon to meet Jon Z West at MIA. I'll let him write a full-blown TR as I was only in the park for a couple of hours, and he hasn't spent most of his life a stone's throw away from this park. Just a couple comments though. The park was the busiest I've seen it in a long time, and from what I've heard it was even busier Saturday and Sunday. They actually opened up the switchbacks for Timbers and in the 2 hours I was there, we only got in two rides on Timbers. The two rides were in 1-1 and 2-1 and it was running about the same if not a little rougher than it was riding at Timbersfest in June. So, any hopes I had of it working out some of the rough spots or just generally improving over the season were shattered. I really hope they do some more work on it this winter and get it back up to an acceptable level because right now I'd consider it to be in the worst shape it's ever been in. The trick track is still brutal, even in the front of the train, and it's still jackhammering on much of the out run. Other than that, the park looks nice when it's full of people. I'd forgotten what it looks like busy, as I tend to go early in the season and not in late August. I didn't spot anything unusual that lends itself inherently to big expansion possibilities, so I'm curious to see what they announce this fall/winter for next year. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Xcoaster@juno.com Fri Aug 22 13:15:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61128 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 18:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 18:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 18:02:12 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWk5y53w7YWNSODgX2pV3qVlRvDX8LuIWwA==">; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:01:11 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H7735NTX; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:01:11 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:59:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Paramount's New Direction Message-ID: <20030822.105934.-1405587.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,9-28,35-51,64-65,68-70 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Adam Sandy writes: > For those of you who did not hear, Canada’s Wonderland > announced the purchase of a Volare for 2004, which > means that it, along with the Prater’s, will open next > year. I suppose I should check your site to see what this is, but, what are these? > On a different note, what is Paramount smoking? I > thought that with the death of the previous management > team we would no longer get installations that make as > much sense as Hypersonic. However, this seems to take > the cake. First off, the figures I have heard for > dismantling, transporting (probably by ship or rail > would be the cheapest) and erecting Stealth will be > $2-3 million dollars. How much does a Huss Giant > Frisbee cost installed?- $3 million dollars and the > only mechanical headache on that has been the floor. > I have heard nothing but bad things about the > operational quality of this coaster and I am sure that > the crew at Carowinds is not looking forward to > explaining to people why their new coaster has a > two-hour, one-train wait. I don't have a problem with > the way the Vekoma flyers ride...it is all of the > operational problems that come with them. They are supposedly in serious need of a coaster though, expect I bet anything here would help out. It seems like this is the park in the chain that focuses on getting nothing, PGA on family things and smaller rides, PKI on coasters and good stuff, PKD on coasters, and PCW on flats. Variety? Well, I'm sure the park goers at Carowinds will be happy to get something, but this certainly wasn't the smartest move in Paramount's history. > I found PGA an odd decision, too. While waterparks > are good gate additions in most places, California > seems to be the exception. This has a saturated > market in terms of waterparks and I have a hard time > believing that this will create a lot of new interest > in the park. My guess is that it will increase a bit > the first year, but after that they will hold steady > and just get people planning part of their visit split > between the two parks instead of bringing in new > guests. > Also, what is their marquee coaster now, Top > Gun? That is two removed coasters in less than a > year; this park is a lot less over saturated on > coasters than some others. Actually, it sounds like they are taking Dorney's approach and having the waterpark inside the park, and being included in the gate admission. I'm happy with that, since that's about the only way you might get me to go to it, and it would help to compete with the larger separate admission water parks. However, their coaster collection is starting to become one of the worst around. Seriously who really thought they had a great set of coasters even when they had Stealth? Now that they are losing one of their main draws (and my second favorite at the park, though I won't miss it much), their top coasters will be Top Gun (yay!), Vortex, Grizzly, and Invertigo. None of these are especially new, unique, or really good (though all expect for Grizzly are "pretty good"). Now I'm really hoping they install a hyper, or something else that's good and can be marketed, cause that's almost the only way they are going to stand out now. We've had a lot of weird announcements this week. This and Tivoli. Next I almost wouldn't be surprised if SFMM announced they were going to install flats and CP decided to reconfigure TTD. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From jzerkel@effingham.net Fri Aug 22 15:14:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@effingham.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13274 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 22:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 22:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.effingham.net) (12.34.176.14) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 22:14:49 -0000 Received: from lorenzer [12.34.177.103] by mail.effingham.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A46449000F8; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:08:36 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c368fa$b6c6cb20$67b1220c@lorenzer> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64033102 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, after some gentle chiding from Beth...I figured it's high-time for me to post my TR from my Michigan's Adventure visit last week. The park: Michigan's Adventure The date: Friday, August 15 The weather: HOT The crowds: Heavy in the amusement park; thicker than ACErs at the all-you-can-eat buffet in the water park. This was one park visit that I hadn't really planned on making back when my coastering season began in April. However, my father was attending his army reunion in Manistee, MI; and he asked me if there was anything in western Michigan that might be appealing to me...because he is now getting to the age where he doesn't really like to drive himself around in unfamiliar places. After checking the map, (and double-checking with Beth), I saw that Manistee and Muskegon weren't too terribly far apart, so I decided to accompany dear old Dad to his army reunion and take a quick side-trip to MIA on Friday afternoon/evening. I dropped Dad off at his hotel in Manistee, then back-tracked south to MIA, arriving shortly before 3 pm. My first two thoughts upon entering the parking lot were: #1 "HOLY COW!! That water park is JAM-PACKED!!!" I was thinking about spending a little time in the water park before meeting up with Beth at about 7 pm; but that plan was quickly scrapped upon seeing the crowds. Thought #2 was "Wow....this park is a lot smaller than what I had envisioned." I wandered around the entrance for a short while and then made my way over to MIA's first woodie, the Fighting Illini Wildcat. (Being a die-hard, bleed orange-and-blue fan of the U. of Illinois, I simply *cannot* refer to this coaster by it's given name) Using the -3 to +5 scale: Fighting Illini Wildcat: +2 This double-out-n-back woodie sits in a very picturesque location next to MIA's center lagoon/lake. My first thought when I saw the layout of this coaster was: "That really reminds me of Thunder Run at SFKK." At first, I thought that the Wildcat seemed like it was a bit shorter than Thunder Run, but after checking my GTR when I got home, I saw that TR is actually the shorter ride, but only by about 200 feet. After waiting on the queue ramp for about 15 minutes, I finally found myself in the station house. (And a good thing, too....because I would have gone INSANE if I would have had to listen to that annoying jingle any longer...."Michigan's Adventure--A whole--------summer of fun." ARGHHHHHH!) Once in the station house, they drop the gates to load one train at a time. I lucked out and got a ride in 1:1 with another single rider, a young lady about 12 or 13 years old who couldn't convince any of her friends to ride w/ her in the very front car. Once dispatched, you make a sharp right turn and enter a pitch-black tunnel as you approach the lift hill. This is a rather long tunnel, and helped add to the anticipation, I thought. The coaster itself was good but not great. Some nice airtime, especially on both of the "back" runs. I believe it was the first "back" run that contained both a double-up and a double-down on the same hill. (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, anyways) ;-) After that double-up, it really seemed like the train almost runs out of gas, so to speak, but we had just enough momentum to carry us forward to the double-down. Next up: Shivering Timbers: +3 My first wait for ST was about 20 minutes and I ended up in the next-to-last car on the train. What can I say that hasn't already been said? Even though this was my first-ever ride...I could tell that this coaster was, in all likelihood, far better once upon a time. As you crest each one of those enormous hills on the out-run, you come flying out of your seat....only to be SLAMMED back down hard once you reach the bottom of the hill. When you reach the turn-around at the far end of the parking lot, the coaster train is still speeding along at a very good clip. Without a doubt, I have never ridden any other out-n-backer where the turnaround is executed with such tremendous speed. After the 4th hill on the back-run, I had one of those "life-flashing-before-your-eyes moments." I thought to myself...."What the heck is THAT coming up ahead???---Ohhh Yeahh....That's the infamous trick track!---Wait a minute, many people on the list have said that it was absolutely brutal.---Well then, you'd better get your hands back down and quick and hold on tight to the grab bar!!!" But by then....it was too late. I was thrown violently first right and then left and moaned most of the rest of the way back to the helix finale and into the brake run. WHO THOUGHT THAT TRICK TRACK WAS A GOOD IDEA?!? Oh my God....whoever it was ought to be strung up by their fingernails! Could you imagine what it must have been like to experience trick track WITHOUT seat dividers?? After my ride on ST, I cooled of with a soda and then took a quick ride on the TimberTrail Railroad. I found it very hard not to laugh out loud at the pathetic-ness of this mini-railrod. To begin with, the two engineers who were operating this ride *maybe* had 6 teeth between the two of them. As the ride begins, the engineer says, "Off to your right, you can see Michigan Adventure's newest and largest coaster, Shivering Timbers. Off to your left, you can see a bunch of weeds." and more weeds......and more weeds.....and more weeds. Nothing but weeds. They should call it the WeedTrail Railroad. The ride lasted MAYBE ten minutes and you passed by nothing but weeds, except for the very short tunnel just before returning to the station house. What a joke. I'll stop here for Part 1, and finish up Part 2 later tonight or tomorrow. As always....thanks for reading! Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 22 15:23:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98211 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 22:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 22:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 22:23:38 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.42.3c93ab82 (25305) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42.3c93ab82.2c77f15c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:21:16 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2003 6:18:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzerkel@effingham.net writes: > My first thought when I saw the layout of this coaster was: "That really > reminds me of Thunder Run at SFKK." At first, I thought that the Wildcat > seemed like it was a bit shorter than Thunder Run, but after checking my GTR when > I got home, I saw that TR is actually the shorter ride, but only by about > 200 feet. You mean, it didn't remind you of ANY other coasters? I mean, it WAS modeled after Phoenix, after all :) Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 22 15:24:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39675 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 22:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 22:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.f6.2f76dcd5 (25305) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:23:54 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2003 6:18:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzerkel@effingham.net writes: > As you crest each one of those enormous hills on the out-run, you come > flying out of your seat....only to be SLAMMED back down hard once you reach the > bottom of the hill Well, at least you came flying out of your seat. That's more than I can say I got. I DID get the slamming back down, however. And...the shuffle at the bottom of the hills, the annoying screech on the trick track and, oh, did I mention the lack of anything more than a mild stomach sensation of "airtime" (sometimes it wasn't even that). Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Fri Aug 22 15:26:29 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32447 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r07.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1ac.19305954 (25305) for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ac.19305954.2c77f26b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:25:47 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2003 6:18:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzerkel@effingham.net writes: > They should call it the WeedTrail Railroad. The ride lasted MAYBE ten > minutes and you passed by nothing but weeds, except for the very short tunnel > just before returning to the station house. What a joke. > That's better than it was last year. It just went around in a (very small) circle. it was even more pathetic, if you can believe that. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Xcoaster@juno.com Fri Aug 22 16:22:13 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70892 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 23:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2003 23:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2003 23:22:12 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWg2Adk4TjkHdRUVOCSJo1hVxsG/VcnA2vw==">; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:21:06 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H78NFFPT; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:21:06 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:19:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Paramount's New Direction Message-ID: <20030822.161945.-1493231.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16,24-26 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme Wow, this took forever to show up once I sent it out. On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:59:34 -0700 Xcoaster@juno.com writes: > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Adam Sandy > > writes: > > For those of you who did not hear, Canada’s Wonderland > > announced the purchase of a Volare for 2004, which > > means that it, along with the Prater’s, will open next > > year. > > I suppose I should check your site to see what this is, but, what > are > these? Never mind, I'll answer my own question. The Volare is Zamperla's version of the flying coaster. There is one at Elitch Gardens called "The Flying Coaster". From the TRs on here and elsewhere, it sounds like PCW is getting, say, a less than average coaster, except they're going to give it a slightly better name. I heard they were trying to get that "Footloose" floorless, but they didn't bid high enough on it, so it's likely going to either PKI, PKD, or possibly PGA (though unlikely). I'm still not sure what the Prater's are/is. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From edi_meister@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 17:53:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81497 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 00:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 00:53:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 00:53:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.155] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 00:52:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:52:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: QUESTION: New trains for X? Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 456 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 205.180.14.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister I think I saw something on americacoasters.com about some new trains for X. Anybody know any truth about that? Does this mean ?? Can we go to SFMM in 2004 and get 3 trains running on X? Are we going to be able to go to SFMM 15 years from now and have the original 4D running and some mind-bending 4D monstrosity behind it (like Viper to Revolution)? Was down at CP last week; Three trains on Raptor and they were just pumping them through. Andrew From edi_meister@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:37:45 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17097 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 01:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 01:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.80) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 01:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.141] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 01:37:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:37:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: PCW's new Volare Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 611 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 205.180.14.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Just saw the video on their site, eh. 13th coaster. 3 more to go. I don't know if I'm impressed with it. eew; What's with the one coach train deal? What is this thing? Like a wild mouse or something? Has anybody been on this thing in Denver? I wonder if I would be happier if they got PGA's Stealth and made it work. Um, where are they putting it in the park? Well, it looks to have a footprint about the size of their Fly (wild mouse). I can't think of a place in the park to stick it. Are they removing something? Is it under construction now? I'll be up there in Sept and will take a look. Andrew From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:51:35 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58558 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 01:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 01:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40019.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.59) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 01:51:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030823015130.19257.qmail@web40019.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40019.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:51:30 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: MISC: Paramount's New Direction To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "They are supposedly in serious need of a coaster though, expect I bet anything here would help out. It seems like this is the park in the chain that focuses on getting nothing, PGA on family things and smaller rides, PKI on coasters and good stuff, PKD on coasters, and PCW on flats. Variety? Well, I'm sure the park goers at Carowinds will be happy to get something, but this certainly wasn't the smartest move in Paramount's history." They are in need of a coaster...I just wonder if their maitence budget is going to enjoy being stretched by Stealth. "Actually, it sounds like they are taking Dorney's approach and having the waterpark inside the park, and being included in the gate admission. I'm happy with that, since that's about the only way you might get me to go to it, and it would help to compete with the larger separate admission water parks." That's what I was saying, though. After the first season, I will be surprised if Boomerang Bay really does draw a lot of long-term family business away from an already-entrenched waterpark market. I feel it will be those same families that were already attending the park simply spending part of their day in the waterpark. "Next I almost wouldn't be surprised if SFMM announced they were going to install flats and CP decided to reconfigure TTD." I don't think that hell has frozen over quite yet. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 18:55:03 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66491 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 01:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 01:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40012.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.30) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 01:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20030823015459.63735.qmail@web40012.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:54:59 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: PCW's new Volare To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "Um, where are they putting it in the park? Well, it looks to have a footprint about the size of their Fly (wild mouse). I can't think of a place in the park to stick it. Are they removing something?" Initial plans had called for the Intamin/Giovanola Space Shuttle to be removed and for it to go on that site. Whether that is still happening or not is something I don't know. "Is it under construction now? I'll be up there in Sept and will take a look." I doubt it. With the simple concrete pad and easy construction it is a coaster that goes up quckly. In fact, the one in Denver had track going up the day it arrived so that at times they were almsot waiting for the next container shipment. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Xcoaster@juno.com Fri Aug 22 22:00:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51131 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 05:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 05:00:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 05:00:30 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWtHopWwSxXV/BIhQavMjIL8llCigiOgJKw==">; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:00:08 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H789T8HF; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:00:08 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 21:58:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RE: PCW's new Volare Message-ID: <20030822.215851.-1294203.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-12,17-19 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Adam Sandy writes: > "Um, where are they putting it in the park? Well, it > looks to have a footprint about the size of their Fly > (wild mouse). I can't think of a place in the park to > stick it. Are they removing something?" > > Initial plans had called for the Intamin/Giovanola > Space Shuttle to be removed and for it to go on that > site. Whether that is still happening or not is > something I don't know. From what I've heard they are taking out the Great Whale of China and the Fury (is that the Space Shuttle?). I've also heard one hint at the name, and I think it *might* have something to do with Mighty Mouse. But please don't laugh if that's wrong, though it does sound sort of like a fitting name (flying, but mouse sized). Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From edi_meister@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 22:35:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92981 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 05:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 05:35:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 05:35:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.139] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 05:34:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 05:34:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PCW's new Volare Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030823015459.63735.qmail@web40012.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 541 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 216.175.81.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister "Initial plans had called for the Intamin/Giovanola Space Shuttle to be removed and for it to go on that site. Whether that is still happening or not is something I don't know." Is that the JetScream - swinging inverter ship? I think I could do without that. Right now I am just so unimpressed with this Volare thing. Like, this is my home park - this is the one I visit most frequently. When I said "something cool" in the poll, I didn't mean that. Maybe if I have a chance to be in Denver, I'll pop into SFEG and check it out. Andrew From edi_meister@yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 22:57:06 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88713 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 05:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 05:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.75) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 05:57:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.116] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 05:56:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 05:56:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PCW's new Volare Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030822.215851.-1294203.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2077 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 216.175.81.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister > "taking out the Great Whale of China and the Fury" This would put it up in the front of the park right next to Top Gun (their Vekoma SLC). "Fury" is the classic "Monster". Both of those are original rides from park opening in 1981. I'm thinking "space shuttle" refers to their swinging inverter ship called Jet Scream. It has a space shuttle theme. We hardly ever wait to go on that. I could lose it. But that thing has a really small footprint. That'll squeeze this mousey thing between the mountain and the water, and the Vortex track winds all around there. That location is kind of interesting, for it puts it just behind the mountain to the left. Their Vortex (suspended coaster) goes up and over the back of the mountain, which serves as its lift hill and initial drop. On the other side of the Vortex track, behind the mountain on the right is their Fly - a wild mouse! :-D Mighty Mouse is too cute a name, but perhaps appropriate for this thing. I was thinking to call it Bumble Bee. Or if they have a wild mouse called The Fly, maybe this should be called simply The Bee. Do you think I'm being foolish to wish that they got PGA's Stealth instead? I know it's just a Vekoma job and its kind of jiggly and all, but I like it. I accept that as a roller coaster. Three trains and a separate unload station would help - they could do that. Oh oh .. can we have PGA's Greezed Lighting too? Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Xcoaster@j... wrote: > From what I've heard they are taking out the Great Whale of China and the > Fury (is that the Space Shuttle?). I've also heard one hint at the name, > and I think it *might* have something to do with Mighty Mouse. But please > don't laugh if that's wrong, though it does sound sort of like a fitting > name (flying, but mouse sized). > > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@j... > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From Xcoaster@juno.com Fri Aug 22 23:29:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97348 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 06:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 06:29:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 06:29:04 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWrN9IQHR5sepgbxOr2ePIKAoEmauQaqozw==">; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:27:59 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H79EU37Y; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:27:59 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:26:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PCW's new Volare Message-ID: <20030822.232627.-1459107.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,11-12,20-24,35-36,40-43,45-47 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > Do you think I'm being foolish to wish that they got PGA's Stealth > instead? I know it's just a Vekoma job and its kind of jiggly and > all, > but I like it. I accept that as a roller coaster. Three trains and > a > separate unload station would help - they could do that. > No, you are not foolish, at least not from the ride experience standpoint. Here's a clip from Jon Zerkel's recent TR to help illustrate that. I included the link: "Following my ride on Nightwing (the flying bat-skooters), I again made my way towards the front of the park for another of my "firsts" from this Rocky Mtn. trip...my first flying coaster. This ride had a very intriguing lift mechanism. There was a spiral lift hill, and in the center of the spiral, there was this "giant rotating spatula." (For lack of a better term) The rotating spatula attached to the side of the 4-abreast vehicles and pulled you up and around the spiral. See the link here: http://www.sixflags.com/parks/elitchgardens/thrills/?id=rides The Flying coaster (kind of an unimaginative name, I thought): -3 This was the only thing about SFEG that I absolutely *hated!* As I mentioned, this Zamperla ride was my first flyer, and if the other flyers are even half as painful as this thing was...it will probably be my last flyer. The ride was a walk-on, and as I watched a couple of vehicles run through the course, I thought to myself...you know those inversions do *not* look like much fun. OUCH OUCH OUCH! I have never had my ears boxed so ferociously by a coaster...(and this coming from someone who has ridden T2 at SFKK!) If this coaster would have just skipped those two inversions...(it would have been kind of like the layout of a gigantic wild-mouse ride)...I think I might have enjoyed it. As it was, I had to sit for about 10 minutes afterwards to regain my bearings." Yeah. This ride sounds like hell compared to Stealth. Heck, Stealth was good enough where I rode it between 3 and 4 times on my visit. It's not a great ride, I got a little ill, but it's not a -3. Sorry you're getting stuck with this, maybe it will be better than Denver's. :-( > Oh oh .. can we have PGA's Greezed Lighting too? *I'd* be happy if you got that too. Most Paramount parks aren't doing too well. Ryan Snooks Xcoaster@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Aug 22 23:48:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6026 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 06:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 06:48:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.120) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 06:48:16 -0000 Received: from sdn-ap-015castocp0022.dialsprint.net ([63.187.144.22] helo=Laptop) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19qSC7-0004Zg-00 for rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:48:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:47:48 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: New trains for X? References: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 From: George X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:52:34 -0000, Andrew BK wrote: > I think I saw something on americacoasters.com about some new trains for > X. Anybody know any truth about that? Much as I like some of their photo updates, the website listed is far from being a good source of information. NO, there are not new trains for X coming. It's still the same ones being rebuilt over and over. Most wouldn't know it, but there is one of the three trains that has been revamped by B&M where they've been trying out other things to see if they can get it to work more reliably and without the downtime, but so far that hasn't panned out. > > Does this mean ?? Can we go to SFMM in 2004 and get 3 trains running on > X? Not anytime in the forseeable future. > > Are we going to be able to go to SFMM 15 years from now and have the > original 4D running and some mind-bending 4D monstrosity behind it (like > Viper to Revolution)? Don't count on it. At this point I'm still not optimistic that there will EVER be another version of the 4d. > > Was down at CP last week; Three trains on Raptor and they were just > pumping them through. Hence a good example of why CP is known for the high capacity on their coasters. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down. But with God, life is one neverending Thrillride! From edi_meister@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 02:25:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33169 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 09:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 09:25:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 09:25:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 09:25:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:25:42 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: QUESTION: CP map and guide for 1983 Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 677 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 216.175.81.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister That's correct. I was at Cedar Point last week. It's changed a bit since my previous visit twenty years ago. I think maybe it was mostly flat rides then: I just can't remember. I remember riding Gemeni, Corkscrew, Rotor and Demon Drop. But I can't remember anything else, other than a note that we toured the park and rode practically everything that day in Sept 1983. I've been trying to find a fan site that has an archive of park maps. Does anybody have an image of an '83 park map/guide or a paper one you could throw on the scanner and post? Now that I am familiar with the layout of the park, I want to where everything was when I went there before. Thanks, Andrew From edi_meister@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 02:40:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15039 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 09:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 09:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 09:40:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 09:40:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:40:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PCW's new Volare Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030822.232627.-1459107.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3593 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 216.175.81.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister There. This is what I sent to PCW's customer service; I am asking you nicely to reconsider your choice of coaster for 2004. Zamperla / Volare is not a nice coaster. If you want a flying coaster could you please get the Stealth from Great America, since they're taking it out anyway. It's just a Vekoma thing; it isn't all that great. But it's a real roller coaster. Just get three trains running with a separate unload station and it'll be cool. PCW is good at caring for its coasters. You can make the Stealth work. There's always been a two hour line for it at PGA, mainly because they've been running only one train. But you can do it right. Let's get the Stealth instead, please. They'd rather have a water park. And we'll just forget about this Volare thing, okay. Following is a review of the same ride installed at Six Flags Elich Gardens in Denver, CO. (copied the review excerpt) --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Xcoaster@j... wrote: > > > Do you think I'm being foolish to wish that they got PGA's Stealth > > instead? I know it's just a Vekoma job and its kind of jiggly and > > all, > > but I like it. I accept that as a roller coaster. Three trains and > > a > > separate unload station would help - they could do that. > > > > No, you are not foolish, at least not from the ride experience > standpoint. Here's a clip from Jon Zerkel's recent TR to help illustrate > that. I included the link: > > "Following my ride on Nightwing (the flying bat-skooters), I again made > my way towards the front of the park for another of my "firsts" from this > Rocky Mtn. trip...my first flying coaster. This ride had a very > intriguing lift mechanism. There was a spiral lift hill, and in the > center of the spiral, there was this "giant rotating spatula." (For lack > of a better term) The rotating spatula attached to the side of the > 4-abreast vehicles and pulled you up and around the spiral. See the link > here: > > http://www.sixflags.com/parks/elitchgardens/thrills/?id=rides > > The Flying coaster (kind of an unimaginative name, I thought): -3 > This was the only thing about SFEG that I absolutely *hated!* As I > mentioned, this Zamperla ride was my first flyer, and if the other flyers > are even half as painful as this thing was...it will probably be my last > flyer. The ride was a walk-on, and as I watched a couple of vehicles run > through the course, I thought to myself...you know those inversions do > *not* look like much fun. OUCH OUCH OUCH! I have never had my ears > boxed so ferociously by a coaster...(and this coming from someone who has > ridden T2 at SFKK!) If this coaster would have just skipped those two > inversions...(it would have been kind of like the layout of a gigantic > wild-mouse ride)...I think I might have enjoyed it. As it was, I had to > sit for about 10 minutes afterwards to regain my bearings." > > Yeah. This ride sounds like hell compared to Stealth. Heck, Stealth was > good enough where I rode it between 3 and 4 times on my visit. It's not a > great ride, I got a little ill, but it's not a -3. Sorry you're getting > stuck with this, maybe it will be better than Denver's. :-( > > > Oh oh .. can we have PGA's Greezed Lighting too? > > *I'd* be happy if you got that too. Most Paramount parks aren't doing too > well. > > Ryan Snooks > Xcoaster@j... > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 23 02:48:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88819 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 09:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 09:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 09:48:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.135] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 09:48:06 -0000 Date: 23 Aug 2003 09:48:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1061632086.178.40644.w16@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: Is PCW making a mistake with this Zamperla / Volare thing? o Please don't. It really sucks. o Please get and fix PGA's Stealth instead. o Your park; your money. Just don't ask me to buy a PCW season pass for 2004. o I'd give it a try o I am so going to PCW in 2004 to ride the Volare To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=1129643 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sat Aug 23 02:53:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2469 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 09:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 09:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 09:53:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [66.218.67.164] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 09:53:48 -0000 Date: 23 Aug 2003 09:53:44 -0000 Message-ID: <1061632424.80.16058.w42@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: What should PCW name their spiffy new Volare? o Mighty Mouse o Bumble Bee o The Bee (might be located next to The Fly) o Canada's First Flying Coaster o Headbanger o Rotating Fork Thing o Number Thirteen o POS To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=1129644 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From edi_meister@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 03:54:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55002 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 10:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 10:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 10:54:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.118] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2003 10:54:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:54:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: RANT: Save the 4D - I have a dream Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2047 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 216.175.81.234 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister It's a rant; don't bother replying unless you want to (and you're like minded.) Perhaps it has become evident that I am hopeful that X will somehow survive. I only rode it once, but I was so impressed. X is quite effectively my favourite roller coaster. It is one of those few coasters that makes such a lasting impression. If not X, then at least the 4D concept. That's what counts. I have a dream, that one day, 4D coasters will be the norm. As steel, corkscrew and looping coasters grew over the past 28 years, and all the neat things they now do: standup, inverted, flying, etc., that this is a vision of things to come for the 4D. I have a dream, that one day we'll see a 4D launch terrain coaster. That it will be inverted in the station with riders facing forward. That it will launch into a 300 foot top hat, twisting on the way down, and into a massive raven curve, to pass under the top hat. And then to run up the side of a hill into a wooded area. Like the second movement of a symphony, it cruises peacefully through the tranquil woods. It turns on its side, and then on top of the track, running the riders backwards as they gaze up into the trees. And then rolls back to its inverted position as it crests a rise over a boulder. A babbling creek. The train cruises gracefully over the water, almost close enough to reach down and touch it. And white water forms as the train picks up speed. A rise in the track and it flips over on top, turning the riders face down. The seats teasingly rotate upside-down to give the riders a peek at what's coming, a waterfall! then rotate back 180, upright and facing backwards. That plunge is any moment now. Whitewater increases, a slight rise in the track, seats flip, and X's famous plunge over a 150' waterfall. Then a few acrobatic manouvers, including the outside of a vertical loop and a glorious finale before returning to the station. And through much of that, the seats not only rotate on cue, but they do partial dips. Yes, I have a dream. And 4D is the way to do this. Andrew From iamlost23@aol.com Sat Aug 23 06:21:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Iamlost23@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5515 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 13:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 13:21:16 -0000 Received: from Iamlost23@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.161.248f5d3b (3948) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <161.248f5d3b.2c78c43c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:21:00 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Small TR: Michigan's Adventure 08/15/2003 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 From: iamlost23@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=37847363 X-Yahoo-Profile: iamlost_r_u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/03 10:55:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bethtoons@yahoo.com writes: > didn't spot anything unusual that lends itself > inherently to big expansion possibilities It would be nice if they expanded the park a lot. It would be nice to add a couple major roller coaster ect.. Colleen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 07:32:20 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22828 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 14:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 14:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40012.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.30) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 14:32:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030823143118.21610.qmail@web40012.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:31:18 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: QUESTION: CP map and guide for 1983 To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "I've been trying to find a fan site that has an archive of park maps." http://www.themeparkbrochures.com/ Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 07:34:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66546 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 14:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 14:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.19) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 14:34:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20030823143417.2588.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:34:17 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: RANT: Save the 4D - I have a dream To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy "It's a rant; don't bother replying unless you want to (and you're like minded.)" Generally speaking about RCT, that's not a fair request. If you post an opinion here expect people to respond to it no matter what their opinion, not just if it matches yours. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Sat Aug 23 08:20:05 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86911 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 15:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 15:20:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 15:20:04 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.9c.3464253e (30950) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9c.3464253e.2c78e012@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:19:46 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New poll for RollerCoasterTalk To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would you PLEASE just LET IT DIE ALREADY!!!? it's over, done with, the deal has been signed, the ride has been bought. There's NOTHING a single person can do about it, and you're NOT going to be able to rally up enough support to have people help you. It's not that big of a deal, it's just a coaster, not life or death. > Is PCW making a mistake with this > Zamperla / Volare thing? > > o Please don't. It really sucks. once again, already done with...they're not going to listen to your complaints > o Please get and fix PGA's Stealth instead. Stealth is going to Carowinds - that deal is already done. What do you expect them to do? send the Volare there so you don't have to deal with it being at PCW? and then when you go to PC one day, you can protest it being there and you can say "they should have put PGA's stealth here" > o Your park; your money. Just don't ask me to buy a PCW season pass for > 2004. Go ahead and boycott buying a season pass for '04. it won't hurt them any - if anything it will eliminate one person from whining to Guest Services about how bad "the little flying coaster sucks, and you should have gotten Stealth instead" > o I'd give it a try This one is my favorite...I'll try it. If I don't like it, I'll go to Guest Relations and tell them how bad it su....I mean, I'll just go have FUN somewhere else (oh yes, FUN, the point of parks.....) > o I am so going to PCW in 2004 to ride the Volare > > One of my goals is to get to PCW sometime soon anyway, so if it's there I'll > give it a shot. > > > -Josh (they can have X-flight) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Sat Aug 23 08:25:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92533 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 15:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 15:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.106.26733f87 (30950) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <106.26733f87.2c78e15d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:25:17 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New poll for RollerCoasterTalk To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I enter a vote for Let this topic DIE already? I mean, I can see if there was some useful discussion going on, but mainly it's just rants that are clogging my inbox with "Please don't build it, PCW...Please, sir...stop the beatings...I'm an enthusiast and I have never ridden one, but I just know i'm going to hate it. Who cares what the actual population of visitors at this park will think of the ride, I HATE it (even though I've never actually ridden one) so you MUST not build it or I will boycott your park!" let it die plz k thx bye Josh > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > RollerCoasterTalk group: > > What should PCW name their spiffy new > Volare? > > o Mighty Mouse > o Bumble Bee > o The Bee (might be located next to The Fly) > o Canada's First Flying Coaster > o Headbanger > o Rotating Fork Thing > o Number Thirteen > o POS > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Sat Aug 23 13:47:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73660 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 20:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 20:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 20:47:55 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.ca.20ef900b (18555) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:45:32 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2003 6:18:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzerkel@effingham.net writes: WHO THOUGHT THAT TRICK TRACK WAS A GOOD IDEA?!? Oh my God....whoever it was ought to be strung up by their fingernails! Could you imagine what it must have been like to experience trick track WITHOUT seat dividers?? I can, totally awesome, or so I imagine. I know, you don't like laterals, right. To each their own. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Sat Aug 23 13:55:55 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98902 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.70.313cba19 (18555) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <70.313cba19.2c792eb6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:55:18 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: PCW's new Volare To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/2003 5:42:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, edi_meister@yahoo.com writes: There. This is what I sent to PCW's customer service; While the thought is good, I don't think they are going to change their plans because you think the new coaster is going to suck. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Sat Aug 23 14:33:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20525 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.62.33c5f81f (25305) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62.33c5f81f.2c793742@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:31:46 EDT Subject: Golden Tickets Announced To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While many remain the same, there are a few surpasses this year. Check them out at http://www.amusementtoday.com/GoldenTicket/the_list.html and lets talk about them. I am particularly surprised Wildwater Kingdom came in as the #3 waterpark. Guess those new slides are working out well. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Briguy7568@aol.com Sat Aug 23 16:34:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80751 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 23:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2003 23:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 23:34:24 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.b8.469fc05d (4340) for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:30:29 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Tickets Announced To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 582 From: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to say, bogus! bogus! bogus! Oh, did I mention bogus? Once again, I see they leave voting in the hands of inept people who dont know a coaster from a flat ride! Why on earth does Raven get number one every single year? Dont get me wrong, Raven is a great coaster, but it really isnt a number one. Kings Island's Racer delivers much more of a ride than Raven, and is longer. Its never on there! It just seems that they just recycle the same award winners every year. The same awards go to the same parks and rides year in and year out. Its like, they just recycle the sheet with a few modifications. I absolutely disagree that Kings Dominion got 3rd place for friendliest staff. I have never seen friendly staff there. They are not bad people, but they have never gone out their way to make you feel welcome there. Cedar point once again won Best Park, and this year, I dont think they deserved that with how they handled Dragster not running consistently til the second half of the year. They should have given out exit passes or something like that to every single guest who walked through the front gate on days they knew Dragster wasnt running. If they had done that, I would have felt differently. Instead, they made you feel bad that you even complained that was down. Cedar Point is a great park, though, but this year, I think second place would have a more suitable spot for them. I cant believe how much a difference there was on best kids area. Kings Island is my home park, but I think after what they tried to pass off with Scooby Doo this year, that maybe that should have been a more close race. I will take Dr Suess' Cat In The Hat anyday over the cardboard cutouts that Kings Island made us look at in Scooby Doo And The Haunted Castle. That was a disgrace, particularly that they removed a much better attraction in Phantom Theatre. But Spongebob Squarepants was a very good addition to the park, that ride should have been voted best new ride, for sure! Actually, best new thrill ride should have gone to Kings Island for Delirium. Thats like the fastest flat ride on earth. It goes 76mph, and no other flat ride is that fast! Finally, I will comment on Water Parks. Even though, I am pretty much not a waterpark fan anymore, I know the ones that are good and the ones that arent. I really dont see why Schlitterbauhn keeps getting best waterpark. The Beach Waterpark right here by my house is actually much better than Schlitterbaughn. I have been to both parks, and I really dont care for the filtered water Schlitterbaughn uses from the Guadelupe River to run through their rides. I know they do have a chlorinated water area, too. They do have a good boogy board ride similar to that at Kings Island's soon to be former Water Works. But I do feel The Beach has a better selection of rides and more shade, and you dont have to catch a bus to go to another section of the park either! It would be nice to see these awards more carefully thought out in the future! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From edi_meister@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 18:08:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49420 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 01:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 01:08:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 01:08:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.178] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2003 01:08:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:08:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <106.26733f87.2c78e15d@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 216.175.92.90 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Done. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, MxPx2@a... wrote: > > Can I enter a vote for Let this topic DIE already? > I mean, I can see if there was some useful discussion going on, but mainly > it's just rants that are clogging my inbox with "Please don't build it, > PCW...Please, sir...stop the beatings...I'm an enthusiast and I have never ridden one, > but I just know i'm going to hate it. Who cares what the actual population of > visitors at this park will think of the ride, I HATE it (even though I've > never actually ridden one) so you MUST not build it or I will boycott your park!" > > let it die plz k thx bye > > Josh > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > > RollerCoasterTalk group: > > > > What should PCW name their spiffy new > > Volare? > > > > o Mighty Mouse > > o Bumble Bee > > o The Bee (might be located next to The Fly) > > o Canada's First Flying Coaster > > o Headbanger > > o Rotating Fork Thing > > o Number Thirteen > > o POS > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 21:12:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13707 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 04:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 04:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40001.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.19) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 04:12:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030824041101.68533.qmail@web40001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.52.227.146] by web40001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:11:01 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: A Trip to Belle City Amusements (Crossville, TN, 8/23) To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Usually I don't post my carnival visits to park boards, but I was so amazed with today's show that I felt the urge to share. I visited Belle City Amusements in Crossville, Tenn., today and must say I was VERY impressed. A lot of the equipment looked more like it had come out of winter quarters instead of being on the road for months. The only one on which I noticed any wear was the Eli Scrambler and that was just normal-looking, nothing serious. In addition, I saw the Bertazzon Rock-N-Roll Music Express, which looked incredible and was just delievered this week. The show had a lot of quality equipment and things like the classic generator trucks with spotlights made it feel like a fair from the 1960's with today's equipment. What a show! Below are the rides I saw set-up: Chance Carousel (36 foot) Cutting Edge Creations Sabre Tooth Slide Dartron Slide Sellner Dizzy Dragon Wisdom Dragon Wagon Hampton Cycle Hampton Truck FunZone Fun House Zamperla Speedway Zamperla Crazy Plane Kiddie Himlaya Chance Skywheel Majestic Scooter Wisdom Gravitron Larson Ring of Fire Eli Scrambler ARM Typhoon Sellner Tilt Chance Sea Dragon (IMHO, it is amazing how much more of a midway presence this ride has over the Pharoh's Fury) Mulligan Wheel (my first, a nice wheel, except the divided floor was a bit hard to get in and out of without tripping, I would be nervous with little kids getting on and off this) Venture Cobra (my first, it did not make me sick, but probably the ride has bought me closest [although none has yet]) Bertazzon Rock-N-Roll Music Express Chance Yo Yo Haunted House Zamperla Power Surge Belle City is working its way back South to Florida for the winter and is playing spots in Tenn for the next few weeks. If they are in your area I would highly advise stopping by. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From MxPx2@aol.com Sat Aug 23 21:20:22 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98703 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 04:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2003 04:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 04:20:19 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.3a.3d6840df (1320) for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a.3d6840df.2c7996ec@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:19:56 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Tickets Announced To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/2003 7:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Briguy7568@aol.com writes: > Cedar point once again won Best Park, and this year, I dont think they > deserved > that with how they handled Dragster not running consistently til the second > half > of the year What do you mean "how they handled that"???! they handed out exit passes to people when it broke down, they even bent over backwards for the "enthusiast" crowd at Coastermania. I think they did a fine job handling the situation. If PKI was in thier shoes, they would probably handle it the exact same way. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 06:27:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31843 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 13:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 13:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 13:26:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20030825132418.33994.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:24:18 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: Accidents a-plenty To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy A few accidents/incidents that happened in the last week: At a Six Flags park in Europe, Six Flags Belgium, I believe, the pusher mechanism on Turbine, a Schwarzkopf shuttle, shattered. On Steel Dragon 2000 two wheels were lost, striking and injuring two people. At PCW something went wrong with the fiberglass work on their SBF Wonderflight called Jimmy Neutron's Brain Washer and a few kids were taken to the hospital. Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 06:34:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31590 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 13:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 13:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40014.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 13:34:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030825133350.46208.qmail@web40014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:33:50 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Black Ink Now Flowing At Bonfante To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Amusement Business August 25, 2003 PGA-MANAGED Black Ink Now Flowing At Bonfante After two years of truncated operation, Bonfante Gardens, the horticultural-themed amusement park in Gilroy, Calif., appeared doomed, but the hemorrhage of red ink has been stanched and it appears the facility's first season under the management of Paramount Parks will be its first in the black. Michael Bonfante's dream park had ended its first two seasons prematurely after operating — in the words of Bob Kraemer, chairman of the park's board of directors — "substantially in the red." Kraemer and other park officials, including Bonfante himself, realized something had to be done to keep the facility from closing its gates for good. "We realized last fall that we were in trouble," Kraemer said. "We reduced the operating season and let virtually everybody go on staff with the exception of gardeners, maintenance, security. During that time period we crash interviewed and worked with companies, some of which we went quite far along with." The search for new, industry-savvy management ultimately led to a five-year management fee deal with Paramount Parks, operators of Paramount's Great America, 35 miles to the north in Santa Clara. Thanks to the operating efficiencies, expertise and marketing resources brought to bear, Bonfante Gardens is enjoying a 4.5% attendance increase. Paramount Parks Vice President Tim Fisher, who came to PGA in July 2002 from Paramount's Kings Island in Ohio, was joined by Barb Granter, formerly of Star Trek: The Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton, who was brought in to manage Bonfante Gardens. Kraemer, who along with Bonfante is one of seven members of the board, said the agreement has been successful so far and "promises to be more successful each day." "Overall we are satisfied with the fact that they have gained control of an operation that wasn't, in a business sense, under control," he said. "They have substantially reached markets we were not able to reach in the past and that had to happen for the park to be successful. "We believe we have a turnaround year and we believe this year the park will have a positive operating profit for the first time. "We have a professional park management team that understands the hours that parks ought to be open, the days it ought to be open, the amount of staffing you need for different time periods that it's open; that contracts at an efficient rate for the materials that are necessary and overall has the control systems to put in place to effectively and efficiently manage the park. Nobody's perfect, but they surely have done a very good job." Nicole Koebrich, spokeswoman for PGA and Bonfante Gardens, said that judging from feedback, rides at the park are operating more efficiently, lines are moving and the guest experience has been enhanced, as has awareness of the park thanks to the leveraging of PGA advertising and marketing to benefit Bonfante Gardens. She cited the 200% increase in the sale of PGA V.I.P. passes, which offer return admission to both parks for a deeply discounted price, as evidence of what Paramount has been able to accomplish. Advertising supported the offer and brought Bonfante Gardens onto the radar of thousands of potential visitors located in the more populous area north of Gilroy in the Silicon Valley and farther north in the heart of the San Francisco Bay area. Kraemer said that while Bonfante, former owner of the Knob Hill Foods supermarket chain, lives in Branson, Mo., he is involved with all board meetings and business, either in person or via telephone. Kraemer said he speaks to him twice a week and Bonfante visits the park every six weeks or so. "Michael Bonfante put a lot of personal dollars and energy, blood, sweat and tears into" the park, he said. "It is our intention and contractually it is required that his vision — horticulture, education, etc. — be maintained. That's very important to us and we believe Paramount is doing that." The park's current board configuration was established in March, when it was determined the facility should be governed by an independent board. The founding Bonfante family was allowed to appoint two board members, the Gilroy City Council was allowed to appoint one city council member and a selection committee made up of community and local business leaders was allowed to select the rest. Written by: James Zoltak ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 06:35:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21099 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 13:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 13:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40002.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 13:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20030825133520.83185.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:35:19 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Industry Battles Blackout's Dark Days To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Amusement Business August 25, 2003 Industry Battles Blackout's Dark Days Some Fairs Put On Hold While Others Cranked Up Generators Eighteen hours before the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto was set to open for the event's much anticipated 125th anniversary on Aug. 15, the lights went out. "At first, we thought, 'They'll be back on in a minute,' " said David Bednar, the fair's general manager. "Then there were rumors about New York and Europe and the rumor mill got going." By Friday, patrons who called the fair heard a recording saying the fair's opening had been delayed by at least one day. That was, until Bednar heard from Ontario officials who asked that the fair remain shuttered for a few more days because of transportation and security concerns as electricity slowly returned to the city on a two-thirds, rotating blackout basis. "Our first weekend is gone," Bednar said sadly on Friday after he first heard the news. Staying open later was not an alternative for the fair, which books in Conklin Shows. "We have to close on Labor Day," Bednar said. Conklin's Howard Pringle estimated that losing the first four days could mean a 200,000 drop in attendance. "Technically, Howard's correct," Bednar said. "But we've gotten an unbelievable positive spin in the press. It really is a big story up here." Several fairs were affected by the blackout that left approximately 50 million people in New York, Ohio, Michigan and Ontario, Canada, without power, beginning Aug. 14. Like the CNE, the Detroit State Fair, Michigan, was due to open Aug. 15. The blackout delayed that until the next day. "I always tell people in terms of making up a day, whether that's possible depends on the weather," said John Hertel, general manager of the Michigan State Fair. "It's not good to lose your first day, and it's not good to lose the first day when the first day is a Friday." Bednar at first doubted he could make up four days, but grew more positive when the fair finally opened, Tuesday, Aug. 19. He already had announced plans to make every effort to follow the city's request to reduce electricity usage by 50%. "When we open on Tuesday, the grounds will open at noon instead of 10, and the pavilions will open at 2 instead of 10," Bednar said. "We've turned down the air conditioning and reduced the lighting loads, and are looking at every possible avenue to reduce our electrical consumption." Still, he noted, Paramount Canada's Wonderland in Vaughan, about 20 minutes from Toronto, re-opened on Sunday, two days before his fair got to open at all. Of large fairs in the affected area, the CNE was the most severely impacted by the blackout. The Michigan State Fair was opening four days earlier in an extension of activities, noted Frank Zaitshik of Wade Shows, the carnival that plays the fair. Zaitshik only had 20 rides on the midway until Aug. 19, the date the fair normally has opened in the past. "It wasn't a full presentation for this first year," Zaitshik said. "We were ready, but the blackout didn't allow us to be ready. So that was postponed." In contrast, the Erie County Fair, Hamburg, N.Y., was going at full force, heading into closing weekend, when the blackout hit, at 4:10 p.m. EDT. "We had a meeting and closed the fairgrounds to people coming onto the property at 6 p.m.," said Dennis Lang, the fair's general manager. "We notified the radio stations to say we were closing at 6." However, the midway continued to run on generators for patrons already at the fair, and "American Idol" winner Kelly Clarkson went on with her grandstand show as planned. In fact, patrons who already had tickets were allowed on the grounds after 6 p.m. to see the show, which filled approximately 3,200 seats. "We shut down the midway at 9, and when the concert got out at 9:35, the party was over," Lang said. The next day, Lang did get calls from some ticket holders who missed the show for blackout-related reasons, such as traffic. "We told them to send a letter and we'll address it," Lang said. "It's not a refund, because the show was fully performed, but we'll give them another ticket for another show next year, or do something for them." John Jackson, president of the Delaware Valley Agricultural Society Fair, Walton, N.Y., said that by approximately 8 p.m., nearly four hours after the power went out, the fair was back up to 90%, thanks to generators provided by Reithoffer Shows as well as vendors and volunteers. "Our attendance actually spiked that day," Jackson said. The 82,600-attendance fair spiked by nearly 500 patrons, he said, maybe some of them people who wanted to escape their power-less homes. How that would play at the Michigan State Fair and the CNE remained to be seen four days after the blackout. Would people whose houses had been without electricity want to seek out some fun in the sun, or would the stress and extra chores created by the situation keep them away? "There's a shock factor people are dealing with," Zaitshik said. "The problem is, even when it's over, people are mentally exhausted." In fact, the Michigan State Fair experienced a smaller attendance then expected on Saturday. "The reasons are multiple," Hertel said. "One is that not all of the public had their power back on." Plus, he said, the media warned the public about potential safety hazards of the food and water supply. "In order to address those, we had the Michigan Department of Agriculture health inspectors in here all day Saturday, and we brought in thousands of gallons of bottled water." In Toronto, Bednar hoped that by the end of the week, the CNE would be back up at full force. In the meantime, using visual standards, attendance looked up on the opening day. Written by: Mary Wade Burnside ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 06:38:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25859 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40010.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 13:37:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030825133614.34837.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:36:14 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS: Another Year, Another Record For California's Ventura County Fair To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Amusement Business August 25, 2003 Another Year, Another Record For California's Ventura County Fair VENTURA, Calif. - Hot sunny weather didn't stop the Ventura County Fair from setting a new attendance record here for the third year running. In fact, the July 30-Aug. 10 fair's attendance of 308,630, a 5.55% increase over 2002, was probably helped by hot temperatures in inland locations as fairgoers consistently sought the cooler confines of the event's Seaside Park location. "The weather was beautiful the whole 12 days," said Barbara Boester, the fair's concessions manager. "The people in the valley were very hot and wanted to come to the beach where it's cool and pleasant." Paid attendance was up 11.18% over last year. Revenue from the fair's independent midway, the event's first since parting ways with long-time carnival contractor Ray Cammack Shows, was up $259,000, a 25.5% increase over last year, when RCS took in more than $1 million, another event first. Parking revenue was up about 3.5%, Boester said, noting that the fair collects $5 per car for on-site parking. Many vehicles park at satellite locations just off the grounds and are bused into the venue. On weekends, a Metrolink commuter train offered service from the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles County and several Ventura County towns along the way to the fairgrounds. Boester said the trains delivered 12,899 people to the gates. The trains were only available on weekends as Amtrak uses the tracks during the week. "We take in all the revenue and then Metrolink [which typically provides service from outlying suburbs into downtown Los Angeles] bills us for a portion of it," said Boester, who pointed out that guests can buy a combo pass that includes round-trip transportation and a gate admission ticket. She said the program, which has been in place for about 10 years, continues to grow steadily after leveling off for several years. Food and beverage revenue figures were still being tabulated, "but I would say it's got to be up at least 25%. Everyone coming to pay their privilege is saying they were up." The fair's food vendors pay 23% of gross sales. The fair's entertainment lineup included Tracy Byrd, Uncle Kracker, Heart, the Supremes, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, Leann Rimes, Lone Star, Conjunto Primavera, El Toro Huaco Rodeo and Flying U PRCA Rodeo. All shows were free with paid fair admission. Written by: James Zoltak ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Aug 25 09:37:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3863 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 16:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 16:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.122) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 16:37:35 -0000 Received: (cpmta 28687 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 09:37:25 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.126 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 09:37:25 -0700 X-Sent: 25 Aug 2003 16:37:25 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.76] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: Golden Tickets Announced X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:37:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030825093725.2593.h012.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I'm glad to see that Cornball Express is gradually making its way up the list. I find it interesting that two rides which in Inside Track days always held spots in the top fifteen, CI Cyclone and Kennywood's Thunderbolt, are tumbling down further every year. There is also a decent showing from international parks this year. SFNE's SROS has finally made number one for steel coasters. I guess that puts AT in agreement with Paul Ruben, a dubious distinction. (Well, heck, I'm in agreement with it too which makes it that much more dubious!) One thing that strikes me as different from the past is that brand new rides used to appear at the top of the charts in their first year and then gradually drop out of sight. Now they're debuting lower in the charts, and if they're good they slowly make their way up in ranking. Other than that, I will agree with others who have said that the list doesn't change much from year to year. But then, I wouldn't expect a ride to suddenly stop being good, or a park to turn into a dump in one year. If you include the old IT days, then the Golden Ticket awards have indeed changed over time. (One major change of course is that the poll used to be included in a spring issue - why spring, before the full season began? - for all subscribers, and now that doesn't happen.) Jay From afrsandy@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 09:43:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13764 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2003 16:42:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:42:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Golden Tickets Announced Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <62.33c5f81f.2c793742@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1354 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 63.251.31.10 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > I am particularly surprised Wildwater Kingdom came in as the #3 waterpark. > Guess those new slides are working out well. I think this says more about the enthusiasts polled for the Golden Ticket awards and less about the waterpark itself. As I understand it they only got a handful of new slides. Although the park claimed 10 new ones some of those were just old slides with new fiberglass added. Most enthuiasts do not seem to be nearly as well-versed in waterparks or waterpark attraction manufacturers as they are in coasters. My guess is that simply because Dorney is in the Northeast, which is enthusiast-heavy, that they saw and/or visited the waterpark on a visit. Notice the percentage of votes it got? In addition, while Splashin' Safari is an exceptionally nice waterpark for a park the size of Holiday World, how many enthusiasts would have visited it if it were not at Holiday World? It is very interesting that Blizzard Beach, which many in the industry consider to be one of the best waterparks in the world from operations, installation variety and theming quality standpoints, did not crack the top three. Overall I don't think enthusiasts are well-traveled to enough waterparks to be able to judge them. But, that's just my opinion. Schlitterbahn -47% Splashin' Safari- 23% Wildwater Kingdom- 6% Adam From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 25 12:54:08 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54270 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 19:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 19:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 19:54:07 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030825195359.TOSU29617.out003.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:53:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:54:04 -0700 To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Tickets Announced Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:53:58 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Been out of town, so I'm a little slow in replying (don't you love weddings?). But I did want to comment on a couple of things here: --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Briguy7568@a... wrote: > I have to say, bogus! bogus! bogus! Oh, did I mention bogus? Once again, > I see they leave voting in the hands of inept people who dont know a > coaster from a flat ride! Really? Based on what presumption, because they didn't vote for what you think should be best? I know a couple of the people who voted, and trust me, the people who vote are very well versed in coasters/ parks/ rides. If you're interested in knowing more about how they select people for it, westcoaster.net has a good discussion about it going on in their forums. > Why on earth does Raven get number one every single year? Dont get me > wrong, Raven is a great coaster, but it really isnt a number one. Kings > Island's Racer delivers much more of a ride than Raven, and is longer. > Its never on there! Please tell me you're kidding here. PKI's racer is a moderate to mediocre coaster. I had fun riding it, but it is nowhere near the same class as Raven. Not even close. I have to ask, have you ever actually been on Raven? If so, I seriously doubt you would make a comment like that. Being number one each year I can see, but at least offer a reasonable alternative to it. Heck, even Beast in the same park as the racer is a much better coaster than the one you proposed. > It just seems that they just recycle the same award winners every year. > The same awards go to the same parks and rides year in and year out. Its > like, they just recycle the sheet with a few modifications. It may seem like it, but if you think about it that only makes sense. A park or ride that was great last year isn't going to suddenly turn around and become a cesspool this year. If a ride has gotten to the top, it's managed to work it's way there, and isn't going to suddenly drop down. And it'll take a couple of years for a new ride to work it's way up as people become more familiar with it. I have to agree that it does make you wonder why some are still on the list (e.g. Magnum), but in that discussion I mentioned earlier it was pointed out that some who vote base their votes on the best rides they've received on a ride, not necessarily what it's currently delivering. That may help explain a little bit there. > I absolutely disagree that Kings Dominion got 3rd place for friendliest > staff. I have never seen friendly staff there. They are not bad people, > but they have never gone out their way to make you feel welcome there. I think this may be one of the "your mileage may vary" deals. But I am amazed that Disney never seems to make this list. I still think that they have the friedliest staff, though Holiday World may be as close as I've seen to it. Legoland wasn't far off either. > Cedar point once again won Best Park, and this year, I dont think they > deserved that Cedar Point is a great park, though, but this year, > I think second place would have a more suitable spot for them. I'm inclined to agree here, but for different reasons. CP is an awesome park, but I do truly believe that there are other parks that match up at least as well. And I won't even get started on CP's absurd no compensation policies. But I think that the reason you see this is that there is a most definite CP bias out there, and it does show up a bit in places like this. As much as I like CP, I can think of several parks that are just as deserving but will probably never be given a real consideration due to the "fanboy syndrome." > I really dont see why Schlitterbauhn keeps getting best waterpark. The > Beach Waterpark right here by my house is actually much better than > Schlitterbaughn. I have been to both parks, and I really dont care for > the filtered water Schlitterbaughn uses from the Guadelupe River to run > through their rides. I know they do have a chlorinated water area, too. > They do have a good boogy board ride similar to that at Kings Island's > soon to be former Water Works. But I do feel The Beach has a better > selection of rides and more shade, and you dont have to catch a bus to go > to another section of the park either! I alluded to this a bit earlier, but there is one major reason-exposure. I hadn't heard of The Beach until the last few days when PKI announced they were going to redo their Waterworks park. They have very little exposure outside of the Cincinatti area and few that are not locals seem to be aware of their existence. You're not going to have a group that travels around the world vote for a park they've never heard of or visited. On the other hand, Schlitterbahn has a nationwide reputation. I had heard of it way out here in California long before I spent 2 years in TX. That also is going to translate to more people who vote having visited the park, and that makes a rather obvious difference. As to whether or not it's really better, that's going to be a personal thing. But I have to be honest and say that after the "Racer is better than Raven" bit, I'm rather skeptical. :) > It would be nice to see these awards more carefully thought out in the > future! Well, there are very good reasons that these awards are highly regarded, and it's not for lack of being carefully thought out. Again, check out that thread I mentioned earlier. It's quite enlightening. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 25 12:55:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10016 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 19:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 19:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030825195455.TOZX29617.out003.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:54:55 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Another Year, Another Record For California's Ventura County Fair References: <20030825133614.34837.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:55:01 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030825133614.34837.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:54:54 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT), Adam Sandy wrote: > Amusement Business > August 25, 2003 Another Year, Another Record For California's Ventura > County Fair > > VENTURA, Calif. - Hot sunny weather didn't stop the > Ventura County Fair from setting a new attendance > record here for the third year running. > > In fact, the July 30-Aug. 10 fair's attendance of > 308,630, a 5.55% increase over 2002, was probably > helped by hot temperatures in inland locations as > fairgoers consistently sought the cooler confines of > the event's Seaside Park location. > > "The weather was beautiful the whole 12 days," said > Barbara Boester, the fair's concessions manager. "The > people in the valley were very hot and wanted to come > to the beach where it's cool and pleasant." > > Paid attendance was up 11.18% over last year. > > Revenue from the fair's independent midway, the > event's first since parting ways with long-time > carnival contractor Ray Cammack Shows, was up > $259,000, a 25.5% increase over last year, when RCS > took in more than $1 million, another event first. > > Parking revenue was up about 3.5%, Boester said, > noting that the fair collects $5 per car for on-site > parking. Many vehicles park at satellite locations > just off the grounds and are bused into the venue. > > On weekends, a Metrolink commuter train offered > service from the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles > County and several Ventura County towns along the way > to the fairgrounds. > > Boester said the trains delivered 12,899 people to the > gates. The trains were only available on weekends as > Amtrak uses the tracks during the week. > > "We take in all the revenue and then Metrolink [which > typically provides service from outlying suburbs into > downtown Los Angeles] bills us for a portion of it," > said Boester, who pointed out that guests can buy a > combo pass that includes round-trip transportation and > a gate admission ticket. > > She said the program, which has been in place for > about 10 years, continues to grow steadily after > leveling off for several years. > > Food and beverage revenue figures were still being > tabulated, "but I would say it's got to be up at least > 25%. Everyone coming to pay their privilege is saying > they were up." > > The fair's food vendors pay 23% of gross sales. > > The fair's entertainment lineup included Tracy Byrd, > Uncle Kracker, Heart, the Supremes, Big Bad Voodoo > Daddy, Leann Rimes, Lone Star, Conjunto Primavera, El > Toro Huaco Rodeo and Flying U PRCA Rodeo. All shows > were free with paid fair admission. Written by: James Zoltak > > > ===== > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament > *************** > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Mon Aug 25 13:06:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38986 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 20:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 20:06:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop017.verizon.net) (206.46.170.210) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 20:06:12 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030825200607.GEGB27671.pop017.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:06:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:06:12 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Another Year, Another Record For California's Ventura County Fair Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed References: <20030825133614.34837.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030825133614.34837.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:06:06 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Sorry about that last post. Meant to reply and hit the send button before I could type it. Anyways, I know I didn't get a TR done on the fair this year, but we did visit. On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT), Adam Sandy wrote: > VENTURA, Calif. - Hot sunny weather didn't stop the > Ventura County Fair from setting a new attendance > record here for the third year running. This just amazes me. We attended on a warm Friday, and honestly felt almost as if the fair was half deserted. It was nowhere near as crowded on that Friday as it has been on our visits in past years. Lines for rides were short, as they were for food. Seating was easy to find (normally it's hard to sit down and eat), and there was little bumping shoulders. We must have caught a really good day, but I wouldn't think so for a Friday. Just seems a bit fishy to me. > > Revenue from the fair's independent midway, the > event's first since parting ways with long-time > carnival contractor Ray Cammack Shows, was up > $259,000, a 25.5% increase over last year, when RCS > took in more than $1 million, another event first. I did want to comment on this to. RCS may not have been the carnival contractor this year, but they were most definately there. Their giant wheel (not the huge one, but the secondary one) was certainly there, with the RCS logo splashed on it and everything. In addition, there was a Mega- Drop there this year, and I got the impression that it was RCS's version of it (though I could be wrong). But there were a couple of other rides that had the RCS signage on them also. So in spite of what has been published, RCS did have at least a few rides at the fair after all. > The fair's entertainment lineup included El > Toro Huaco Rodeo We caught one of the days that they had this rodeo playing. Spent 50 minutes and managed to watch them get all of 3 bulls out of the gate, and they were the tamest bulls I've ever seen. The riders managed to stay on at least 30 seconds each, with each bull after about 10 seconds of half- hearted bucking ending up walking around the arena rather tamely with the cowboys on their back. In truth it was actually a long, extended mariachi concert with an occaisional bullride thrown in. Worst rodeo I've ever seen or been to, bar none. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Aug 25 16:36:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80300 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 23:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 23:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 23:36:41 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.3d.3410fd59 (4012) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d.3410fd59.2c7bf761@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:36:01 EDT Subject: Racer Over Raven? To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 582 From: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just want to verify that I have ridden Raven many times, but I have ridden Racer probably hundreds of times more. Raven is not a bad coaster at all. Its quite thrilling, but its very short. Racer gives airtime just about on every hill with the exception of maybe 2 of them. And I admit, I am all about airtime. If a wood coaster is going to be good, it MUST have exceptional airtime. The only time I have been able to say thats not always true would be The Beast. The Beast only has one pop of airtime if you are sitting in the first 4 seats of the train, but overall, the length of the ride, the tunnels and the fact that its by far the best night coaster on earth makes an exception to the rule. Just wanted to clarify that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 19:47:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76146 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 14:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2003 14:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12608.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.231) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 14:59:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20030825145850.18401.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.120] by web12608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:58:50 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003401c368fa$b6c6cb20$67b1220c@lorenzer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons --- Jon Zerkel wrote: > My first two thoughts upon entering the parking > lot were: > > #1 "HOLY COW!! That water park is JAM-PACKED!!!" > I was thinking about spending a little time in the > water park before meeting up with Beth at about 7 > pm; but that plan was quickly scrapped upon seeing > the crowds. Heh, welcome to August in Muskegon :) It is very much this park's biggest draw, especially since Pleasure Island on the other side of town went out of business a few years ago, MIA kind of has a monopoly on waterparks in West Michigan. The nearest one is a tiny park south of Grand Rapids. > > Thought #2 was "Wow....this park is a lot smaller > than what I had envisioned." Not surprising. The park hasn't really built out other than Timbers in recent years. Of course, I could reminice to when the back of the corkscrew was the furthest anything went in that direction, and the picnic pavillions behind Zach's Zoomer were the furthest anything went in that direction, in which case, the park is huge in comparison ;) But, there were trees and shade and stuff then so it wouldn't be a fair comparison :P > I wandered around the entrance for a short while and > then made my way over to MIA's first woodie, the > Fighting Illini Wildcat. (Being a die-hard, bleed > orange-and-blue fan of the U. of Illinois, I simply > *cannot* refer to this coaster by it's given name) *rolls eyes* don't think of it as refering to that school (since I'm sure that's not the intended reason it has the name it does), think of it as the little furry state animal :P > > Using the -3 to +5 scale: > Fighting Illini Wildcat: +2 > > This double-out-n-back woodie sits in a very > picturesque location next to MIA's center > lagoon/lake. My first thought when I saw the layout > of this coaster was: "That really reminds me of > Thunder Run at SFKK." At first, I thought that the > Wildcat seemed like it was a bit shorter than > Thunder Run, but after checking my GTR when I got > home, I saw that TR is actually the shorter ride, > but only by about 200 feet. I think your rating is testament to how much better this coaster is running this year as it was not nearly so favorable in recent years. They've really done a lot of work on it, unfortunately in proportion to the downfall of Timbers, but the improvements at the WW give me a slight bit of hope that Timbers will get better again. > > After waiting on the queue ramp for about 15 > minutes, I finally found myself in the station > house. (And a good thing, too....because I would > have gone INSANE if I would have had to listen to > that annoying jingle any longer...."Michigan's > Adventure--A whole--------summer of fun." > ARGHHHHHH!) > Heh, and that's not even the new more annoying jingle from this year. Fortunately, it's late enough in the season the MIA commercials have stopped playing. I just have to endure the station recordings one more time this year. > Next up: > Shivering Timbers: +3 > After the 4th hill on the back-run, I had one of > those "life-flashing-before-your-eyes moments." I > thought to myself...."What the heck is THAT coming > up ahead???---Ohhh Yeahh....That's the infamous > trick track!---Wait a minute, many people on the > list have said that it was absolutely brutal.---Well > then, you'd better get your hands back down and > quick and hold on tight to the grab bar!!!" But > by then....it was too late. I was thrown violently > first right and then left and moaned most of the > rest of the way back to the helix finale and into > the brake run. WHO THOUGHT THAT TRICK TRACK WAS A > GOOD IDEA?!? Oh my God....whoever it was ought to > be strung up by their fingernails! Could you > imagine what it must have been like to experience > trick track WITHOUT seat dividers?? Well, considering that prior to this year, it was a nice lateral side to side shift and not a bone breakingly abusive element, it was a good idea initially. Like I've said, somewhere in the work and/or neglect of the past winter something put a pothole or a bump in the track going through the trick track that should *not* be there and it's made it really painfully brutal. > After my ride on ST, I cooled of with a soda and > then took a quick ride on the TimberTrail Railroad. > I found it very hard not to laugh out loud at the > pathetic-ness of this mini-railrod. Again, not surprising as I'm pretty sure this ride is a work-in-progress as it has "evolved" some in it's second year. I'm sure if they ever figure out what to do with that huge chunk of land back there, they will continue to reroute the train and it will eventually serve an actual purpose and not be as laughable. To begin with, > the two engineers who were operating this ride > *maybe* had 6 teeth between the two of them. HAH! That's part of the theming! ;) Good TR so far, looking forward to the rest. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 26 00:27:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59996 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 07:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 07:27:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 07:27:52 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/O55arikPmJnvQsiwdEn5HUJxdMJsikhw">; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:02 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8G9FC7Y; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:02 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 Message-ID: <20030826.022618.944.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-13 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > As you crest each one of those enormous hills on the out-run, you > come > > flying out of your seat....only to be SLAMMED back down hard once > you reach the > > bottom of the hill > Well, at least you came flying out of your seat. That's more than I > can say I > got. I DID get the slamming back down, however. One wonders how you go slamming back down into your seat if, as you've said time and time again, you never left it in the first place. -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 26 00:28:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92153 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 07:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 07:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 07:28:14 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/O55arikPmJnO1HmHg5cExeIup/tyR8SR">; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:02 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8G9FC7W; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:02 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:17:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: New trains for X? Message-ID: <20030826.022618.944.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16,21-22,24 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I think I saw something on americacoasters.com about some new > trains for > > X. Anybody know any truth about that? > Much as I like some of their photo updates, the website listed is > far from > being a good source of information. NO, there are not new trains > for X > coming. It's still the same ones being rebuilt over and over. Most > > wouldn't know it, but there is one of the three trains that has been > revamped by B&M where they've been trying out other things to see if > they > can get it to work more reliably and without the downtime, but so > far that > hasn't panned out. Where, exactly, did you hear this? If any piece of information sounds "unreliable", it's that. Getting brand new trains is a heck of a lot more likely than getting B&M to work on it, at least in my opinion. Maybe you know more than I do, or maybe you've just heard (and believed) some absolute hogwash. It just sounds extremely fishy to me. -Nate (who thought that was even funnier than when Sally reworked Kennywood's Old Mill for 2002). coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 26 00:55:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6046 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 07:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 07:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop016.verizon.net) (206.46.170.173) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 07:55:41 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030826075536.ETXJ10125.pop016.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:55:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:55:43 -0700 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: New trains for X? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed References: <20030826.022618.944.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030826.022618.944.1.coasterdude18@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop016.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:55:36 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:17:38 -0500, wrote: >> NO, there are not new trains for X coming. It's still the same ones >> being rebuilt over and over. Most >> >> wouldn't know it, but there is one of the three trains that has been >> revamped by B&M where they've been trying out other things to see if >> they can get it to work more reliably and without the downtime, but so >> far that hasn't panned out. > > Where, exactly, did you hear this? If any piece of information sounds > "unreliable", it's that. Getting brand new trains is a heck of a lot > more likely than getting B&M to work on it, at least in my opinion. Maybe > you know more than I do, or maybe you've just heard (and believed) > some absolute hogwash. It just sounds extremely fishy to me. When I first heard it over a year ago, I didn't believe it either. I first picked it up on one of the local message boards, and when I questioned it, it was confirmed by several people that worked at the park in various capacities, including a couple of ride ops (one who has worked on X), one of the maintanance guys, and a couple others. Even then I was doubtful. So at Scream's premier, I managed to catch Del Holland, the park GM, on the side for a minute and asked him. He confirmed that with all the problems they had with the trains from Arrow, and the subsequent financial and other problems that Arrow had, that B&M were the outside contractors that they called to come and look at and work on the trains to try to find a solution, part of which included them building (or rebuilding, I'm not sure which) the third train that Arrow hadn't delivered. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From lance@screamscape.com Tue Aug 26 05:44:41 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50465 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 12:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 12:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grenada.globat.com) (203.22.204.108) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 12:44:40 -0000 Received: from barbados.globat.com (barbados.globat.com [203.22.204.97]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with SMTP id h7QCiFDJ015601 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lance@screamscape.com) Received: (qmail 94249 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 12:44:22 -0000 Received: from 57.101.26.24.cfl.rr.com (HELO vaio) (24.26.101.57) by barbados.globat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 12:44:22 -0000 Message-ID: <009901c36bcf$aad51740$39651a18@cfl.rr.com> To: References: <20030825132418.33994.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Accidents a-plenty Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:43:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Lance Hart" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404 X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Sandy" > At a Six Flags park in Europe, Six Flags Belgium, I > believe, the pusher mechanism on Turbine, a > Schwarzkopf shuttle, shattered. I heard that it closed due to launch problems, but not that the pusher shattered. Anyway, someone wrote me this morning to say that it reopened yesterday apparently, so I guess the problems were not so sever. From ksucy@eznet.net Tue Aug 26 06:35:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: ksucy@eznet.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84671 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 13:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 13:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay01.eznet.net) (209.105.128.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 13:35:40 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (res-150-159.dsl.roc.eznet.net [209.105.150.159]) by relay01.eznet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC7B20B129 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ksucy@popmail.eznet.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030825132418.33994.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030825132418.33994.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:34:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Accidents a-plenty Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From: Shilfiell Nels Rada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21726974 X-Yahoo-Profile: shilfiell_nels_rada > >On Steel Dragon 2000 two wheels were lost, striking >and injuring two people. > A bit more on this: NAGASHIMA, Mie Prefecture-Wheels fell off the world's longest roller coaster Saturday, causing a derailment that broke the spine of a passenger and scattered debris that fractured the hip of a bather, police said. The six-car ride, called Steel Dragon 2000, was carrying 34 passengers and traveling 50 kph when it derailed at the Nagashima Spaland amusement park, police said. A 20-year-old woman from Fukui, who was sitting in the front row of the third car, broke her spine when the roller coaster came to an abrupt halt, police said. More than 10 wheels broke free from the roller coaster and hit the ground 8 meters below. Investigators said one wheel flew off toward a pool about 30 meters away. The 6-centimeter-thick wheel, weighing 5 to 6 kilograms, struck and broke the hip of a 28-year-old man from Settsu, Osaka Prefecture, police said. Police and prefectural government officials who have jurisdiction over the safety of buildings and other facilities are investigating the cause of the accident. The park said it has suspended operations of Steel Dragon 2000 until its safety is confirmed. According to the park, the roller coaster debuted at Nagashima Spaland in August 2000. The ride is 2,479 meters long with a maximum height of 97 meters and includes a drop of 93.5 meters. The Guinness Book of Records lists Steel Dragon 2000 as the longest roller coaster in the world. The roller coaster can reach a speed of 153 kph, one of the world's fastest. It is the main attraction at Nagashima Spaland.(IHT/Asahi: August 25,2003) From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 09:15:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2903 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 16:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 16:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 16:15:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.147] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2003 16:13:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:12:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Golden Ticket Talk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2074 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Brian Farral" X-Originating-IP: 68.71.111.34 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck >I will agree with others who have said that >the list doesn't change much from year to year. But then, I >wouldn't expect a ride to suddenly stop being good, Maybe not a steel ride, But when I visited MIA for the first time last September, Shivering Timbers was a top-tier woodie for me. This year it's an absolute piece of garbage. Same can be said for Ghostrider. I used to have it as my #1. (pre-raven) Even my beloved Raven dissapointed me a little at SRM this year by being a little rougher than last year's SRM and August visit. (I make a point of mentioning August so no one jumps on me for only having riden it during SRM, where it may recieve a bit more TLC.) The late Jeremy D. visited HW 2 weekends ago and said that Raven was running horribly. > In addition, while Splashin' Safari is > an exceptionally nice waterpark for a park the size of Holiday > World, how many enthusiasts would have visited it if it were not > at Holiday World? Exactly... It's a little bit of HW favoritism being thrown in among a few more factors: #1: It's FREE #2: The park offers ERT during SRM. What enthusiast doesn't throw a little favoritism towards something that gives ERT? I had an excellent time at Splashin Safari when I was there for SRM2002 and I didn't even wake up early for the ERT. But aside from the 2 newest slides, their slide collection is rather weak. They're all really small and boring. The wave pool is nice, but all water parks have those. To me the standout attraction is the Treehouse. I could spend all day playing in those things. But again, many other parks have those now. When they throw in a "Bomb-bay" style speed slide (like Wet-n-wild in Orlando) then we'll talk. That's the only waterslide I've ever been intimidated by. > Overall I don't think > enthusiasts are well-traveled to enough waterparks to be able to > judge them. But, that's just my opinion. I know I'm not. I enjoy waterparks, but most of my coaster buddies don't. And a waterpark is more of a group-of-friends experience. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From MxPx2@aol.com Tue Aug 26 11:25:54 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50385 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 18:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 18:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 18:25:40 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.110.272e244e (4238) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <110.272e244e.2c7cffd3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:24:19 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] TR: Michigan's Adventure--July 15, 2003 Part 1 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2003 3:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: > Well, at least you came flying out of your seat. That's more than I > can say I > got. I DID get the slamming back down, however. One wonders how you go slamming back down into your seat if, as you've said time and time again, you never left it in the first place. -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com Because the train does bottom out, even if I never left my seat, that doesn't mean the train doesn't jackhammer at the bottoms of the hills. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 12:30:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19114 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12602.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.225) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 19:30:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20030826192822.85553.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.220] by web12602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:28:22 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TR: Lost Coaster Weekend Indiana Beach 08/23/2003 & 08/24/2003 (kinda long) To: RCT Cc: cameron@buzzneon.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons In a year where several of the coaster events I've attended seemed to be fun but a little lackluster, Indiana Beach's park sponsored Lost Coaster Weekend event was hands down the best event I've attended this year. The turnout was good but not huge, there was a ton of ERT, there was great food, and the park was very accommodating. Saturday morning started with a nice build-your-own breakfast burrito setup at the Taco stand. They brought the 3 IB characters in costume to meet and greet the enthusiasts and the morning ERT got started a few minutes late. The morning ERT was for an hour and fifteen minutes on Cornball, Hurricane, and LoCoSuMo and with about 150+ people spread out among the three coasters, it was easy to get in several rides on each. After 4 rides on Cornball in less than 10 minutes, I headed over to LoCoSuMo for a forward facing ride before heading back to Cornball where I ran into Cameron and Damon. We took several more rides here, walking around only to wait for the occasional front or back seat ride. Hurricane was looking lonely, so we headed there for several rides. We grabbed another LoCoSuMo ride and several more Cornball rides before finishing out the ERT time with another handful of Hurricane rides. It was really quite amazing the number of rides we fit into the time allotted. The coasters were all running really well, Cornball grows on me more and more each time I ride it. The front seat rides were full of air in surprisingly different places in the course than in the back seats. It was a drastically different ride at either end of the train and was giving fantastic rides all day long. The night rides for the late ERT were insane and exhausting. LoCoSuMo is still no where near the top of my list of favorites, but it is definitely much better than it was when I rode it last year. Hurricane wants to give airtime so badly and just isn't quite getting there, but it's still a fun solid ride and the return run turn caught Cam off guard every single time through. We milled around the park until noon getting in rides on the Tig'rr coaster and the Galaxi, as well as the Den of Lost Thieves, and the Double Shot and another Cornball ride before lunch. Lunch was burgers and hot dogs and chips and cookies. We ate light, as we were meeting Tom, Anah, and Rachel for an early dinner at the Sky Room. We headed out of the park for most of the afternoon. After a failed attempt to check Cam and Damon into their hotel well before the check in time, we decided to rent jet skis in the afternoon and go out on the lake. We headed back to the boat rental place, and got a time slot for an hour later. We ran to Anah's house so I could pick up some things, and made a quick Walmart stop for waterproof cameras before heading back for our time. I'm glad I decided to go along with them for this, as I'd hemmed and hawed a bit about spending the money before we went out. I'd never been on a jet ski before, and I had a blast on Lake Schafer. The water was busy and a little choppy from all the boats and watercraft out there and I scared myself a few times when I got going at a good speed, but the hour went by quickly and the perspective afforded different views of the park and a fun trip around the lake. We dried off, changed clothes, and got the guys checked into their hotel before heading back to the park around 5. We had enough time for a sky ride from the bridge to the north end of the park, and a "quick" pinball game before heading up to the Sky Room for dinner. Dinner in the sky room was nice as usual, Mr. Spackman was notably quiet and Anah and her sister Dorothy were whispering and giggling like schoolgirls because they thought Cam was cute. After dinner, we headed back out into the park for the evening. We took a few more rides on each of the coasters, with the exception of LoCoSuMo, which was packing an hour-long line all day. We also got in another ride on the Double Shot and a bumpy ride on the antique cars (I drove and just pushed the pedal and didn't steer, several "female driver" comments were made from the back seat). We took one of the evening trips out on the Shafer Queen, which was a little chilly at night but afforded some really nice views of the beach all lit up after dark. On one of the early evening rides for Cornball, the line looked short but we ended up waiting forever due to what can best be described as an "incident." There were several smaller children crying and a couple parents cursing at the ride ops and apparently a fight at the base of the stairs that we heard later resulted in someone being removed from the park in handcuffs. It held up the dispatch of the coaster by about 15-20 minutes, but the ride ops seemed to handle it as best as they could and park security was close at hand. We weren't yet in the station when it started, but we suspect it all started with a kid being turned away for not being tall enough to ride and ended with what seemed like half the train throwing a collective temper tantrum. When 11 pm rolled around, it was time to head to the meeting point while the park was shut down and cleared out, the meeting point being Frankenstein's Castle and the adjoining arcade. They had an impressive spread of "spooky" deserts laid out and it was obvious the kitchen staff had a lot of fun coming up with the menu and putting all the treats together. There were caramel apples, "witches brew" punch served from a cauldron with dry ice for effect, several different types of cookies shaped to look like witches hats or ghosts or other spooky things. The castle was open to us for free and we were allowed to use cameras inside from 11 pm to 12:30 am as part of the ERT. I chickened out and stayed behind while Cam and Damon did the walk through. While they were in the castle, the park staff announced the winners of the photo contest and shortly after we were let loose on the park for additional Cornball and Hurricane ERT from 11:30 to 12:30. We were on Cornball's first train out for the ERT and basically spent about half an hour at Cornball, fifteen minutes at Hurricane and finished the night back on Cornball, including managing a ride on the last train of the night. We again managed to pack a ton of rides into the hour and were really tired by the end of the night. Cornball was absolutely flying at night. There weren't any rides completely in the dark, but as the evening wore on and more and more of the beach shut down for the night, it was much darker for the last few rides of the night. We left the park Saturday night exhausted but happy after a really long but amazing first day to the event. Sunday was more laid back. Cam picked me up at the house and we met Damon at the park for the morning ERT. Sunday morning's ERT was on the Double Shot, the Dodgems and the Den of Lost Thieves. We moved a little slower through the ERT and managed a couple rides on the bumper cars, a couple rides through the Den and five or six rides on the Double shot, including three in a row at the end of the hour. We made a morning round of the coasters as soon as the park opened; heading to LoCoSuMo first as we knew it would have a longer line later in the day. We were a little reluctant to hop on Cornball in the morning worried that it would be disappointing after the late night rides the night before, but it held up and still gave a great ride in the morning. After a morning Hurricane ride and a morning Tig'rr ride, Damon was ready to head home, so we walked him out to his car, grabbed Cam's camera and took the sky ride back to meet Tom, Anah, Rachel, their pastor and his family for brunch at the sky room. We were also supposed to be hosting Rachel's cousin's championship softball team for brunch, but they never showed up. After another great sky room meal, Rachel joined us in the park for a few hours in the afternoon. We took the sky ride to the bridge, since we hadn't gone that way yet and walked around taking pictures. We took another ride on the antique cars and another Tig'rr ride. Rachel and I did the full circuit ride on the train while Cam caught another ride on Hurricane and Cornball before we headed out of the park and parted ways for home. IB put on a really fantastic event. The ERT was incredible, the food was good, the staff was friendly and they really went out of their way to make sure we had a great weekend in the park. Everyone seemed to be really pleased with the event and the turnout. So, I think it looks good for this to become an annual event. If it does, and future events are as good as this one was I could easily see it rising in the enthusiast radar as another SRM/PPP caliber event. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 12:33:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27173 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 19:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 19:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.157) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 19:32:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20030826192608.27213.qmail@web20601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [171.75.59.13] by web20601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:26:08 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Ticket Talk To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Brian Farral wrote: > Maybe not a steel ride, But when I visited MIA for > the first time last > September, Shivering Timbers was a top-tier woodie > for me. This year > it's an absolute piece of garbage. Same can be said > for Ghostrider. > I used to have it as my #1. (pre-raven) Even my > beloved Raven > dissapointed me a little at SRM this year by being a > little rougher > than last year's SRM and August visit. (I make a > point of mentioning > August so no one jumps on me for only having riden > it during SRM, > where it may recieve a bit more TLC.) The late > Jeremy D. visited HW 2 > weekends ago and said that Raven was running > horribly. Actually, I agree with the theory that a coaster *can* degrade (see my comments last year re SFGAm's Viper). But the reason why a coaster wont fall off the scale in one year is simply because how many of even the so-called enthusiasts get to re-visit the parks EVERY year? I mean yeah, sure, enthusiasts flock to certain events like SRM & PPP but as you said, even then the coasters get a little extra TLC. MOREOVER, seeing as though those are enthusiast events, these people may feel more in their 'element' and thus are more likely to already be in a better mood. It is my opinion that a person's mood *before* riding a coaster can influence how they feel *about* the coaster. That being said, if a coaster has a "bad year", it's my theory that the vast majority of people who are the "raters" will not ride it in that year. If that coaster is able to have a rebound the next year, you'll likely not ever see a significant drop in the rankings. If the deteriation persists over time, you'll see the rankings fall, but it will be gradual (neglecting, of course, the effects of new coasters entering the ranks). But I, like George, have an issue with the Disnsy parks being shut out in the "Friendliest" staff catagory. What is particularly disturbing is that the only parks listed *just so happen* to have (or will have) hosted an "Enthusiast Event" within the calendar year. Not just *any* events, but arguably 3 of the top four largest events (SRM, PPP, ACE con) of the year (CoasterMania being the final piece of the big four). OF COURSE at such events the staffs will "bend over backwards" during those times. Now granted, the HW staff *is* extraordinarily nice, but, while not being able to comment on Knoebels, I cannot concur with PKD being nicer than my most recent Disney park, Epcot. I dont find PKD to be "bad" at all, but Disney they aint! Also, realistically speaking, is there *any* kids area better than Disneyland or are they excluded because pretty much the whole park is kid-friendly? lata, jeremy > > > > In addition, while Splashin' Safari is > > an exceptionally nice waterpark for a park the > size of Holiday > > World, how many enthusiasts would have visited it > if it were not > > at Holiday World? > > Exactly... It's a little bit of HW favoritism being > thrown in among a > few more factors: > #1: It's FREE > #2: The park offers ERT during SRM. What > enthusiast doesn't throw a > little favoritism towards something that gives ERT? > > I had an excellent time at Splashin Safari when I > was there for > SRM2002 and I didn't even wake up early for the ERT. > But aside from > the 2 newest slides, their slide collection is > rather weak. They're > all really small and boring. The wave pool is nice, > but all water > parks have those. To me the standout attraction is > the Treehouse. I > could spend all day playing in those things. But > again, many other > parks have those now. When they throw in a > "Bomb-bay" style speed > slide (like Wet-n-wild in Orlando) then we'll talk. > That's the only > waterslide I've ever been intimidated by. > > > Overall I don't think > > enthusiasts are well-traveled to enough waterparks > to be able to > > judge them. But, that's just my opinion. > > I know I'm not. I enjoy waterparks, but most of my > coaster buddies > don't. And a waterpark is more of a > group-of-friends experience. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From afrsandy@yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 14:44:10 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56806 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2003 21:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2003 21:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40002.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2003 21:44:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20030826214402.84637.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.251.31.10] by web40002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:44:02 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transport To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy http://www.fool.com/specials/2003/03082600mf.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y "It usually takes just a few minutes for guests on our radio show to relax and let their hair down (probably something to do with the drinks we serve them). Some of the most revealing moments come when the chief executives of multimillion-dollar companies talk about their biggest mistakes. Here, then, are the Top 10 Dumbest CEO Decisions: Dick Kinzel, Cedar Fair (NYSE: FUN) amusement parks We put a $4 million building around this dog ride and named it "Disaster Transport." I still remember on opening day a gentleman walked out of the ride and came over to me and said, "You named that one right -- that's a disaster." And you know what, he was right. That was by far the dumbest thing I ever did." Sorry Nate, Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From drounds@jvlnet.com Tue Aug 26 18:31:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62072 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 01:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 01:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 01:31:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 16770 invoked by uid 99); 26 Aug 2003 23:27:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20030826232738.16769.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 26 Aug 2003 18:27:38 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Wood coasters getting rough X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "David R. Rounds" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077 I have to agree with Brian on this one. Having ridden coasters for as many years as I have, you get to know some of these "facts of life" ... the wood wears out on any wood coaster. The problem is that most riders do not notice it as the coaster gradually gets rougher until they have another similar one to compare it to, or the ride gets retracked and you suddenly notice how much smoother it is. This is very obvious on the American Eagle at SFGAm where they have retracked the first half of the large helix at the top of the ride. And by next season, the entire helix will be smooth again, for about 5-6 years, then they have to start all over again. > >I will agree with others who have said that > >the list doesn't change much from year to year. But then, I > >wouldn't expect a ride to suddenly stop being good, > > Maybe not a steel ride, But when I visited MIA for the first time last > September, Shivering Timbers was a top-tier woodie for me. This year > it's an absolute piece of garbage. Same can be said for Ghostrider. > I used to have it as my #1. (pre-raven) Even my beloved Raven > dissapointed me a little at SRM this year by being a little rougher > than last year's SRM and August visit. (I make a point of mentioning > August so no one jumps on me for only having riden it during SRM, > where it may recieve a bit more TLC.) The late Jeremy D. visited HW 2 > weekends ago and said that Raven was running horribly. > > I also thought that the Raven was rough in a few places when I was there in June but having never ridden it before, I had nothing to compare it to. Dave Rounds From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 26 19:14:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31994 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out002.verizon.net) (206.46.170.141) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 02:14:36 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030827021101.SNRW18222.out002.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:11:01 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Subject: MISC: Roller Coaster Bargains MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:10:56 -0700 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:11:00 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Just wanted to let the shoppers out there know that in the last 2 weeks I've picked up a couple of great roller coaster related bargains that some might be interested in. First was the Roller Coaster Tycoon boardgame that some of you may remember from a year or so back. Apparently they are closing it out as I found it on the clearance aisle at Kmart (yes, a Blue Light Special!!) for only $8! Very nice compared to the regular price. But if it's something you might be interested in, I have a feeling that now is the time to look, as it may not be out there later. Also was at Borders today shopping around. You may be aware that Bob Coker's book has been on the bargain shelves for a while now priced around $16 (compared to the original $25-30). Well, they've also moved it to their clearance and had another 50% off, meaning that it was also only $8. A very nice bargain price for it. So for those interested, now may be the time to pick those up if you're looking. And with that I'm back to perusing ebay for all those things that I wish I could afford to bid on. :) keep on ridin' George (who is really kicking himself for not picking up park magnets on his trips a couple of years ago) -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 26 20:23:39 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17922 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 03:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 03:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 03:23:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/VWcFcS7txRej1mKb8mu3Mv4sawOHzIen">; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:22:53 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8KDU2UY; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:22:53 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:18:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transport Message-ID: <20030826.222224.460.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,11-12 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Dick Kinzel, Cedar Fair (NYSE: FUN) amusement parks > We put a $4 million building around this dog ride and > named it "Disaster Transport." > Sorry Nate, > Adam Hey, that's okay. I waited a half hour for it and thought it was worth every second of my time in line. It's certainly superior to that new redneck-themed Intamin attraction. -Nate ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 26 21:57:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2688 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 04:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 04:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 04:57:09 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/A4rNQX0urbn6AUGdwbDiQ20xFb22J4kI">; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8KJ79QL; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:54:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New poll for RollerCoasterTalk Message-ID: <20030826.235539.460.6.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4,6-8,10-11,17-19 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Would you PLEASE just LET IT DIE ALREADY!!!? > it's over, done with, the deal has been signed, the ride has been bought. > There's NOTHING a single person can do about it, and you're NOT going to be able > to rally up enough support to have people help you. It's not that big of a > deal, it's just a coaster, not life or death. Funny, something tells me that if it had been Cedar Point that bought this product, we'd be hearing a different song from certain people. If I had a homepark that didn't get a major new coaster since 1995 (and even that was an SLC!) and then they delivered this piece of crap, I'd be saying the same thing. Granted, my methods wouldn't be the same, but I wouldn't be pleased by it. How quickly those who live near Intamin Island (and other large parks) forget that it's not the norm to receive new rides on any regular basis. -Nate coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 26 21:57:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93690 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 04:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 04:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 04:57:55 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/A4rNQX0urbl1czUC0fGYKMtaSCL61x20">; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8KJ79QP; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:54:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Tickets Announced Message-ID: <20030826.235539.460.7.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9,11-12,19-27,29-32,37-40,42-44,47-49 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Why on earth does Raven get number one every single year? Dont get me > wrong, Raven is a great coaster, but it really isnt a number one. Kings > Island's > Racer delivers much more of a ride than Raven, and is longer. LOL! LOL! LOL!! LOL!!! Seriously, thanks for the best laugh I've had in awhile. No wait, here we go again...LOL!!! How anyone could ever think a poorly-maintained out and back that hardly delivers compares to a meticulously-maintained, masterpiece of an airtime machine is beyond me. There's a very good reason the Raven scores in the top five on Mitch's poll (generally considered the most accurate out there) and the Racer comes in at #81. Kings Island couldn't take care of a wooden coaster if their business depended on it (oh wait, it does, and they still don't maintain them). > Its never on > there! Because it's a crappy, neutered coaster. > Cedar point once again won Best Park, and this year, I dont think they > deserved > that with how they handled Dragster not running consistently til the second > half > of the year. CP went out of their way to inform guests of the problems with Dragster. As far as I know, Kings Island never did that with the SOB troubles. Not to mention the fact that I'm sure there was much more involved in the decision-making process than "Well, they DID have a ride with some downtime." > They should have given out exit passes or something like that to > every > single guest who walked through the front gate on days they knew Dragster > wasnt running. No, that's why they have the boards that read "The following rides may not be in operation today." Name *one* park that hands out exit passes when one of their rides is down. -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 26 21:58:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4276 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 04:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 04:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 04:58:29 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/A4rNQX0urblgKph1+BzS0WVLIsoMrT7+">; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8KJ79QU; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:55:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Enthusiast help needed in an important survey Message-ID: <20030826.235539.460.9.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-12 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > AMEN to THAT! > > Granted, most "enthusiasts" aren't like that, but there's a lot of > them out > there. It really gets annoying, especially in cases like that. > EyE em teh 1337 3nthusia5711!1! Huh? Wow, for a second there, I thought I was reading Coasterbuzz. Thank god it's over. -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Tue Aug 26 21:59:07 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29249 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 04:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 04:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 04:59:06 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/A4rNQX0urbk3eCIJXEagjVGKzonxTDtz">; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8KJ79QS; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:56:24 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:55:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Flyer for Carowinds Message-ID: <20030826.235539.460.8.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-9,12-15,22-24 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > There has been a lot of speculation of late that > Carowinds is getting a Vekoma Flying Dutchman. Well, > apparently the Charlotte Observer has a story that > confirms it: > http://www.carowindsconnection.com/observerstealth.JPG Okay, this is just hilarious. Did anyone look at the link Adam provided? The best part reads as follows: "Other Superman-style coasters are at Six Flags locations in Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, Louisville, Ky.; and Jackson, NJ., according to the Six Flags website." HA! Okay, I can understand the mistake with Dallas (with Superman: Tower of Power having just opened) and even the mistake with LA (since they *do* have a Superman ride). But SFKK??? They don't even have a Superman ride! What's even funnier is that they completely "forgot" about the Superman ride at the closest SF park to Charlotte (SFoG) and the other three flying coasters in the country. I often find myself wondering, "Isn't it part of the journalist's job to *research*??" -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 26 22:18:34 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56263 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 05:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 05:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.105) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 05:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 05:18:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 05:18:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Golden Tickets Announced Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030826.235539.460.7.coasterdude18@juno.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 875 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "George Burnash" X-Originating-IP: 4.62.156.55 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:54:52 -0500, wrote: No, that's why they have the boards that read "The following rides may not be in operation today." Name *one* park that hands out exit passes when one of their rides is down. Except Cedar Point doesn't have those boards. Remember Nate? And they don't even hand out exit passes, let alone return tickets, when practically every coaster and ride are closed and they close the park 1/2 way through the day! Name any other park that is anywhere near that stingy with their passes. There aren't any. And for the record, SFMW was handing out passes on days when Zonga was closed this year and V@ was closed last year. So there's at least one. :) keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From burn.doug@verizon.net Tue Aug 26 22:19:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92685 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out006.verizon.net) (206.46.170.106) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 05:19:55 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030827051517.RJFH5302.out006.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:15:17 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Tickets Announced References: <20030826.235539.460.7.coasterdude18@juno.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:15:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030826.235539.460.7.coasterdude18@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:15:16 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:54:52 -0500, wrote: > > No, that's why they have the boards that read "The following rides may > not be in operation today." Name *one* park that hands out exit passes > when one of their rides is down. Except Cedar Point doesn't have those boards. Remember Nate? And they don't even hand out exit passes, let alone return tickets, when practically every coaster and ride are closed and they close the park 1/2 way through the day! Name any other park that is anywhere near that stingy with their passes. There aren't any. And for the record, SFMW was handing out passes on days when Zonga was closed this year and V@ was closed last year. So there's at least one. :) keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 27 02:06:57 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78229 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 09:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 09:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 09:06:56 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/vBikN7lh1ZGIR31XGu12tEZ6BwQPjCl0">; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:06:33 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8KZJBEY; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:06:33 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:06:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Tickets Announced Message-ID: <20030827.040607.1052.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,11-12,17-28,40-46,50-52 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > No, that's why they have the boards that read "The following rides > may > > not be in operation today." Name *one* park that hands out exit > passes > > when one of their rides is down. > Except Cedar Point doesn't have those boards. Remember Nate? Actually, that is a good point because I don't recall seeing them the night we were there in 2001 and I *distinctly* remember not seeing them on my most recent visit. I guess the question remains, then, does CP even have them? And if the answer is no, why the heck not??? All that said, though, they *do* have signs up for TTD saying whether it will or will not be operating (and an apology in advance for any downtime, breakdowns, etc). Those are easily seen before the ticket counter, but I definitely agree there should be a sign listing ALL rides that are down. > And > they > don't even hand out exit passes, let alone return tickets, when > practically > every coaster and ride are closed and they close the park 1/2 way > through > the day! Name any other park that is anywhere near that stingy with > their > passes. There aren't any. You know I feel the same way about that as you do. It pissed me off then, and it still pisses me off thinking about it. However, I still don't think a park needs to hand out exit passes (or any other type of compensation) for rides not being open if they're on a board up front (or it broke down at some point during the day, etc). My complaint about CP not giving free return passes during our 2001 visit was because (a) none of the rides that were down were on a "closed rides" board, and they weren't down just for weather (ie the park had no intention of opening them as evidenced by some of them not even having a crew) and (b) the park closed early. If you close your park early, you OWE your guests for the time you've taken away from them - time that they already paid for in advance. > And for the record, SFMW was handing out passes on days when Zonga > was > closed this year and V@ was closed last year. So there's at least > one. :) Wow, that surprises me. I can understand pases for being stuck on a ride or being in line during a breakdown, but not just because one ride is down. So basically they just gave passes out to everyone in the park? How does that work? I'm genuinely curious. -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bethtoons@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 06:33:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30867 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 13:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 13:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12601.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 13:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20030827133218.93220.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.221.183.120] by web12601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:32:18 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Park Compensation (was Golden Tickets Announced) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030827.040607.1052.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons --- coasterdude18@juno.com wrote: > > And > > they > > don't even hand out exit passes, let alone return > tickets, when > > practically > > every coaster and ride are closed and they close > the park 1/2 way > > through > > the day! Name any other park that is anywhere > near that stingy with > > their > > passes. There aren't any. > > You know I feel the same way about that as you do. > It pissed me off > then, and it still pisses me off thinking about it. > However, I still > don't think a park needs to hand out exit passes (or > any other type of > compensation) for rides not being open if they're on > a board up front (or > it broke down at some point during the day, etc). I'd agree with that, I don't think compensation is necessary for those sorts of things. And actually the only "ride breakdown" compensation that I've recieved this year was the reride on Wild Thing at Valleyfair when we spent 15 minutes on the brake run while they cleaned up the other train in the station. That seemed like sufficient and unnecessary compensation for the delay. > My complaint about CP > not giving free return passes during our 2001 visit > was because (a) none > of the rides that were down were on a "closed rides" > board, and they > weren't down just for weather (ie the park had no > intention of opening > them as evidenced by some of them not even having a > crew) and (b) the > park closed early. If you close your park early, > you OWE your guests for > the time you've taken away from them - time that > they already paid for in > advance. The parks that really surprise and impress me on the whole compensation thing are the Busch parks that have their "Rainy Day" policies. Their policy states that if your day was IN ANY WAY disrupted by rain while at the park, they'll give a comp ticket to return to the park. They don't just hand them out at the exits like SFMM did the day I was there and they closed early, you actually have to seek them out at Guest Relations, but the policy exists so that when people do go to GR to complain there are no arguments or pushback or fetching of managers. Seems like ideal customer service to me. Whereas I've heard from a former CP employee who worked in the ticket sales booth, that they were basically instructed to be stubborn on the policy, when things escalated and their supervisor was brought into the picture they were again stubborn on the policy and only after the guest refused to give up on the fight would they then consider providing any sort of compensation. For some reason, for a park that is so gung ho about customer service, it surprises me that the guest has to escalate things that much and become that upset before compensations are even considered. I can understand the park not wanting to be so lax that anyone asking for a comp gets it as that just makes them out to be a bunch of pushovers, but the zero tollerance "no refunds even if a tornado pulls you off the one ride in the park that's running" policy doesn't seem to be working for them either. Beth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 07:42:09 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13436 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 14:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 14:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40912.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.209) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 14:42:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20030827144107.94656.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.71.111.34] by web40912.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:41:07 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nat the Brat To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, coasterclown@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1061976854.324.9450.m12@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: brian farral X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012 X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Nate arrived 1/2 hour late to Alaska, bitch-slapped a polar bear and took it's food, then regurgitated it in this form: (yeah, I know... that didn't make any sense, but it's my post) >Hey, that's okay. I waited a half hour for it > and thought it was worth >every second of my time in line. It's certainly >superior to that new redneck-themed Intamin attraction. >-Nate Wait a minute Nate... last time I checked you still haven't ridden "LaunchTophatBrakes: The Ride"... Did I miss something, or are you committing the cardinal sin of enthusiast-dom: Judging a ride you haven't yet ridden? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (who also likes Disaster Transport) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 08:14:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29778 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 15:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 15:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 15:14:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 15:12:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:12:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: NEWSLETTER: From Six Flags Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3726 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 I don't know if any of you had received this or not, but... (Alan) From: news@sixflags.com Subject: Don't Belabor! Visit Six Flags America This Weekend=20 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:01:34 -0700 So, you planned on visiting Six Flags America all summer, but then=20 time slipped away. Well... you've still got time to experience all of=20 the thrills Six Flags America has to offer before the sun sets on=20 summer!!=20 Six Flags America is open Friday, August 29 - Monday, September 1,=20 2003 for the Labor Day weekend! Come experience a world of excitement=20 at Six Flags America with more than 100 rides, shows and attractions,=20 including coasters BATWING and SUPERMAN - Ride of Steel. Come take a=20 splashy spin on the world's tallest spinning rapids ride, our NEW for=20 2003 attraction, THE PENGUIN's Blizzard River.=20 Catch a wave or some rays in Paradise Island Water Park, take in a=20 variety of live shows, challenge yourself on a game of skill, or meet=20 BUGS BUNNY and his LOONEY TUNES friends in LOONEY TUNES Movie Town.=20 Make a day of it at Six Flags America! But hurry if you want one last=20 splashin` good time before summer unofficially ends. Paradise Island=20 Water Park closes for the season on Monday, September 1st. Six Flags America will also be open September 6th, 7th, 27th and 28th=20 to offer fun for thrill-seekers of all ages.=20 September 6th, join us for Joyce Becker's Soap Opera Festivals in the=20 Batman Stunt Show Theater! Come meet some of today's hottest Soap=20 Stars - Maximillian Alexander: Carlos Reyes on "All My Children,"=20 Thad Luckinbill: J.T. 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From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 08:22:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 145 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 15:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 15:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.77) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 15:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 15:20:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:20:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: NEWS: PKI's Waterpark Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2028 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 This is something that a friend forwarded to me from Paramount's King Island. -Alan WaterWorks at PKI -- The Real Story For anyone that was worried about losing Water Works...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Paramount's Kings Island Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: WaterWorks at PKI -- The Real Story Dear Passholder, As you may have heard, WaterWorks as you know it gone for good after this coming Labor Day weekend but don't throw out your swimsuit just yet! If you liked WaterWorks, you're going to love what we have in store for you in 2004. Coming in 2004, Paramount's Kings Island is excited to bring you and your family an ALL-NEW WATERPARK RESORT...free with the purchase of your Season Pass. Although we are unable to release specifics for another week or so, we can tell you that many of the items on your "wishlist" have come true! Here's the scoop: You want a WATERPARK FREE with your Season Pass - You'll get it! You want to keep your exclusive Passholder-only entrance - Get that too! You want more shade and less concrete - Done! You want more water - Lagoons, waterfalls and more await! You want more slides and thrills - you'll have to see these to believe it! You want more amenities - cabanas, lounge chair-side waiter service, and full-service bar facilities are among the list of five- star pampering you will enjoy! There you have it, more than enough clues to set your mind at ease that you will get your money's worth out of a 2004 Season Pass! Better hurry, there are only 7 DAYS LEFT to take advantage of the exclusive Renewal package: Free Gold Upgrade, Free Season-Long Parking, Free '03 FearFest Admission, Free tickets for the last weekend of the '03 season. You must buy and process (have a photo ID card made) before the park closes on Monday, September 1, 2003 to qualify for this great offer. For more information call 1-800-952- PASS. Don't miss out on this one; you simply will not find a better deal! See you at the park! From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 08:34:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75936 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 15:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 15:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.108) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 15:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 15:33:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:33:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: TR: Wild Adventures in Valdosta Georgia Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7640 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 Here's something a little different. This is a Trip Report that a friend (Dave) sent me, from one of his trips. Of course I did a little editing. -Alan From: "Dave Jackson" To: coasterbears@coasterbears.org Subject: Trip Report Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:33:36 -0400 Well gang, I have finally made it to Wild Adventures in Valdosta Georgia. If you have not been there, you should go. Nice young park, and as such it still needs some mature trees for shade. Good selection of rides, though a bit heavy on the kiddie stuff. For a park that advertises 9 coasters, there were only 4 that I would consider adult coasters, Cheetah (CCI woodie), Hangman (Vekoma Hang 'n Bang), Boomerang (Vekoma Bang-a-Rang) and Bug Out (the Maurer Sohne rodent). Of the remaining, Gold Rush (Chance rides), and Swamp Thing (Vekoma family inverted) were for the entire family, and Ant Farm Express (Roller Skater) Tiger Terror (Wisdom Dragon) and Fiesta Express (Zamperla) are for the kiddies. Yes, I rode all nine, even though I looked like a fool on Fiesta Express. Not the first time I've looked like a fool, and it probably won't be the last..... Over all, the park is amazing with it's assortment of rides. The radio commercials were saying "more rides than Six Flags" and I do believe them. They were also saying "shorter lines than anywhere else" and I believe that also. In fact, the commercials were saying LOTS of different things. How would I know what so many different commercials were saying? Because the park has it's own radio station (92.1 FM) that you can start listening to when you are about an hour north of the park. In addition to the commercials, they do feature weather forecasts for the Valdosta area, and daily updates on things happening at the park that day, including the show schedules. I was impressed that they would spend money on that sort of thing and keep it updated daily. "More rides that Six Flags"? Yes. More rides than I have seen in ANY park. Granted, most of them were kiddie rides, but not all. I finally got a chance to check out a Zamperla Power Surge (VERY strange ride) and the "Venus Fly Trap" from Wisdom (don't know what the generic name is, but it's little balls hanging down from arms with a wheel in the middle so you can spin to your hearts content) (and I did) The River Rapids ride (Tasmanian River Rapids) is an interesting layout with a "whirlpool" at one end. After you go around the "whirlpool" for one complete revolution, the trough does a nose dive under the trough you just traveled through and comes out under it. Adds some great speed to the ride and fantastic spinning motion. The giant splashwater drop kicks up an amazing wave, and the boats are so full they are still draining water when it hits the top of the lift on the next run. Right in the middle of the park is an amphitheatre. All concerts are free, and they encourage you to bring lawn chairs to sit and enjoy the show. Saturday night, Vince Gill was in concert, and the place was a zoo! I would estimate there were about 35,000 in the park, and in speaking with an employee they said there have been days they have had over 40,000 in the park for a concert, and he would not have been surprised to learn Sat was over 40,000. The seats under the pavilion (standard seating) is an upcharge, but all other space is on a first come basis, and the place was packed. While I would have enjoyed the concert, and did enjoy what I managed to hear, I was busy on the rides. "Shorter lines than anywhere else"? YES! They actually do something I have preached for ages. NO CATTLE STALLS! The line from the midway goes straight into the station! The longest line I waited in was 18 minutes for Cheetah, and it stretched all the way back to the midway, and they were only running one train. The line for Hangman was 12 minutes, Bug Out was 7 minutes, etc etc etc. And this was while the park was packed BEFORE the concert. You could barely walk down the midway it was so crowded, but when people looked at the lines, they did not want to get into them. Cool!!! Food pricing was good for a park, and the assortment of different foods was a nice touch. The quality must be pretty good, because every single food stand had EXTREMELY long lines. Even the Coke machines set up around the park had long lines. (2.00 for a 20 oz bottle) 1/3 pound burgers were 3.50, funnel cakes were 2.50, corn dog baskets (with fries) were 4.00, bloomin onion was 5.00 etc etc. Good pricing. The long lines were a testimony to the food quality and size of the crowd, so unfortunately I had to wait till I left the park that night before I ate. I had got there about 5:00, and they are running a special. One day's admission is 34.95, and a season pass is 39.95. 5.00 extra for a pass? I'll go for it. (GREAT souvenir) Once I got inside the park and saw the line to process the pass, I regretted the decision. While the ride lines were short all night, the pass line remained at right around 1 1/2 hours. Yes, that many people were getting their pass processed. They had eight stations set up, and all eight were pumping through the people as fast as they could, but there were just that many people. I think most of them were there for the concert, but even during the show there were a lot of people on the midway. But the ride lines were still short compared to any major theme park. The big hope for the trip was that Cheetah was a good ride. I know in the past that when a ride gets good press and a lot of hype, it will usually let me down. This time, however it lived up to it's hype. My first ride was front seat, and I got airtime on EVERY hill! Yes, I know it's running Gerstlauer crap, but it didn't seem to be that bad. The ride was running fast and furious, and the finale was fantastic. Second ride was where I renewed my hatred for the piece o crap trains on the ride. I rode back seat and almost was put out of commission from the bouncing around and downright brutality of the trains. Yes, there was a few moments where I was not being bounced around because I was not in my seat. A few nice moments of lift in the back, but they did not make up for when my butt was actually in contact with plastic. I went back to the front and just remained there for the rest of the evening. And the line just kept getting shorter and shorter as the night went on... The park looked FANTASTIC at night. All the rides are lit with the packages the manufacturer set up. No overabundance of white lights here, plenty of color. They put on a good laser show over the "lagoon o death" and fireworks to cap off the night. I bid adieu for the night and went to fight the traffic jam to get out. Sunday morning I returned, only to find the park deserted. Minimal crowd, and the line for Cheetah was an empty station except for a one train wait for either front or back. Other rides were the same. When lunch time came around the ribs and park bar-b-que platter was very reasonably priced, and tasted great also! No lines for food today! Even when leaving around 2:00, the crowds still were not there, and I found it hard to pull away. Overall impression? I had a BALL! Great YOUNG park, that will turn into a real gem once it grows up. They really need the mature trees and more shade. But most of all, they need to get rid of the CRAP trains on Cheetah and put some GCI Millennium Flyers on it and the ride could be #1 on just about anyone's list. If you haven't been yet, GO! From scrunch17@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 08:51:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81666 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 15:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 15:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20603.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 15:51:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20030827155016.16424.qmail@web20603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.71.228.3] by web20603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:50:16 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: PKI's Waterpark To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Alan wrote: > Here's the scoop: You want a WATERPARK FREE with > your Season Pass - > You'll get it! But will it be free with a regular day admission? This particular wording i curious to me. It is most likely just to pump up pass sales, but it *could* be a perk only good with the passes.... You want more amenities - cabanas, lounge > chair-side waiter > service, and full-service bar facilities are among > the list of five- > star pampering you will enjoy! Full service bar? You mean I can order a Harvey Wallbanger there? I'll believe it when I see it! lata, jeremy --who cannot get the damn Wily Wonka and the Chocolate Factory "Goldern Ticket" song out of his head! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Wed Aug 27 09:26:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59208 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 16:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 16:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out003.verizon.net) (206.46.170.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 16:26:18 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030827162141.RVFT29617.out003.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:21:41 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Golden Tickets Announced References: <20030827.040607.1052.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:21:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030827.040607.1052.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:21:39 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:06:07 -0500, wrote: >> And for the record, SFMW was handing out passes on days when Zonga was >> closed this year and V@ was closed last year. So there's at least one. >> :) > > Wow, that surprises me. I can understand pases for being stuck on a ride > or being in line during a breakdown, but not just because one ride is > down. So basically they just gave passes out to everyone in the park? > How does that work? I'm genuinely curious. I didn't see it being myself for either one, so I really couldn't say how they did it. But I had several people note that they were doing it on their visits. I got the impression that they were handing them out at the gate, but I don't know if they meant the exit gate from the park, or the closed gate to the ride. I'll have to go dig through the archives on Westcoaster and try to make a couple of phone calls to find out for sure. In any case, one of the people who got one actually mailed it to me so that we could take a friend on a recent visit. So they were there! :) keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From pooh2you2@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 09:47:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: pooh2you2@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45733 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 16:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 16:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 16:47:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.251] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 16:46:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:46:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Accidents a-plenty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030825132418.33994.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 396 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Alan" X-Originating-IP: 162.59.200.104 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=51951454 X-Yahoo-Profile: pooh2you2 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > SNIP>< > At PCW something went wrong with the fiberglass work > on their SBF Wonderflight called Jimmy Neutron's Brain > Washer and a few kids were taken to the hospital. > > Adam Say, what is a "SBF Wonderflight called Jimmy Neutron's Brain Washer"? I looked for it on the PCW site, and it was not listed. -Alan From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 27 11:40:59 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90206 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 18:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 18:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 18:40:38 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/AMsBD9hnxHcvdAgmMMOw6eEiqWhO7QEc">; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:31:50 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8LZVDCX; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:31:50 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:26:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Nat the Brat Message-ID: <20030827.133145.620.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >Hey, that's okay. I waited a half hour for it > > and thought it was worth > >every second of my time in line. It's certainly > >superior to that new redneck-themed Intamin > attraction. > Wait a minute Nate... last time I checked you still > haven't ridden "LaunchTophatBrakes: The Ride"... Did > I miss something, or are you committing the cardinal > sin of enthusiast-dom: Judging a ride you haven't yet > ridden? It's a secret...stay tuned. :-) -Nate (who asks, "What were YOU doing last Thursday?") coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 16:29:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81503 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 23:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 23:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 23:29:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.149] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 23:29:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:29:08 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Accidents a-plenty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 205.180.14.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister It's a stationary ride that rotates and meant for kids and parents. These ball shaped pods that you sit in are hung from arms. The whole thing rotates and lifts the arms up and down, kind of like the octopus/monster. There is a vertical pole through the center of each pod and it has a horizontal wheel on it. Riders can turn the wheel which makes the whole pod rotate. My wife rode it for the first and last time. It made her so dizzy that she was sick and angry. I can do it. I expect to be up at Wonderland, prob the wknd of the 13th. I reckon it'll be closed now pending investigation. PCW now has metal detectors at the gates, for the first season in 23 years. I guess we all know why *that* is. Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy > wrote: > > SNIP>< > > At PCW something went wrong with the fiberglass work > > on their SBF Wonderflight called Jimmy Neutron's Brain > > Washer and a few kids were taken to the hospital. > > > > Adam > > Say, what is a "SBF Wonderflight called Jimmy Neutron's Brain > Washer"? I looked for it on the PCW site, and it was not listed. > > -Alan From afrsandy@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 16:39:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39565 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 23:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2003 23:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 23:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2003 23:38:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:38:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Accidents a-plenty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 218 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Adam Sandy" X-Originating-IP: 68.52.227.146 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Say, what is a "SBF Wonderflight called Jimmy Neutron's Brain > Washer"? I looked for it on the PCW site, and it was not listed. Here's a pic: http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/wonderflight.html Adam From StratBigShot@aol.com Wed Aug 27 17:38:49 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73538 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 00:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 00:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 00:38:48 -0000 Received: from StratBigShot@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.171.23142133 (25711) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <171.23142133.2c7ea894@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:36:36 EDT Subject: QUESTION: No Limits Coaster To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 From: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122428876 X-Yahoo-Profile: xceleratorknotts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone just got a new computer and i have Windows XP Pro on my computer, tired to put No Limits on and when i started the simulator the coaster only ran at 0 or 1 FPS!!!! Any Help Would be appreciated Thanks John (Stratosphere Tower: "You Can't Top This!" Project X Sky = X Scream our new thrill ride!!!!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 27 19:46:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80052 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 02:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 02:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.122) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 02:46:38 -0000 Received: (cpmta 29175 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 19:39:32 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.116 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 19:39:32 -0700 X-Sent: 28 Aug 2003 02:39:32 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.33] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: REVIEW: eXtreme Rollercoasters X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:39:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030827193932.393.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Karen and I sat down to watch our new DVD, eXtreme Rollercoasters. The two hour production appeared to be a series of specials from the Travel Channel (which was credited at the end) all run together. The parks covered were Six Flags Magic Mountain, Marine World, Six Flags Magic Mountain, Marine World, Six Flags Magic Mountains, Marine World.... There were brief side trips to Las Vegas, Belmont's Giant Dipper and Disney's California Adventure. The whole thing ended with a ride on Bonfante Garden's mine train. The entire production was incessantly narrated by a guy who trained at the "Battle of the Monster Trucks" announcing school. There were several ACErs interviewed. But most of the two hours was taken up by a Paul Ruben love fest. He extolled the joys of every single SFMM coaster, and gave some historical background. For coaster novices, this tape might prove informative (though there are factual errors) and amusing. I found much of it laughably annoying. Many of the coasters were filmed with the camera trained on a rider's face. The riders screamed out inane comments like, "Wow! We're going down a really big drop! Woooooo! Here's a loop!" Meanwhile, on most of the footage showed the riders' heads bash back and forth in the restraints. There was some terrific footage of X, though. And that footage alone was worth the small cost of the DVD. With the camera mounted on the train facing the riders, the incredible bouncing action of the seat posts was obvious. I was amazed at how violent and choppy the revolving action actually was. Paul Ruben clearly explained how the revolving mechanism works. (I never realized it was a quaint rack-and-pinion system!) Almost everyone interviewed heaped glowing praise on whatever coaster they rode, which was great publicity for the parks but not very enlightening. Some guests clearly had a difficult time saying exciting things about the ride they were subjected to. One that comes to mind was the gentleman who rode Desperado. "Oh my God, it doesn't stop. It just keeps going," he said wearily in between being jerked around. There were also numerous repeats. Goliath was featured no less than three times. It was as if no other eXtreme rides existed outside of the west coast. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing were simply an advertisement paid for by SFMM or the California Advisory Council. So my verdict is that the DVD is worth it for the X footage alone. But if you want a really good collection of roller coaster footage, Roy Brashears' Rollercoaster Weekend is still the best. There are also many wonderful videos by the WNYCC's Tim Wagner. (Plus I'll shamelessly plug my own ROllercoasters 2000 collection.) But I must admit it was fun to sit around watching this DVD and ranking on all the hapless riders. So the production scores high for sadism. Jay, who would rather have spent two hours watching Finding Nemo again. From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Aug 27 20:04:27 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20576 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 03:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 03:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 03:04:26 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.14e.2300fdf6 (3842) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14e.2300fdf6.2c7ecb04@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:03:32 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2003 11:25:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: Hey, that's okay. I waited a half hour for it and thought it was worth every second of my time in line. It's certainly superior to that new redneck-themed Intamin attraction. Ok, we're not allowed to bash coasters you like....'nuff said. Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From MxPx2@aol.com Wed Aug 27 20:09:18 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19111 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 03:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 03:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r06.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.102) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 03:09:16 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.12d.3015fdcd (3842) for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12d.3015fdcd.2c7ecc45@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:08:53 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] New poll for RollerCoasterTalk To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/2003 1:23:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: Funny, something tells me that if it had been Cedar Point that bought this product, we'd be hearing a different song from certain people. If I had a homepark that didn't get a major new coaster since 1995 (and even that was an SLC!) and then they delivered this piece of crap, I'd be saying the same thing. Granted, my methods wouldn't be the same, but I wouldn't be pleased by it. How quickly those who live near Intamin Island (and other large parks) forget that it's not the norm to receive new rides on any regular basis. What the HELL are you talking about? Saying "I'm not going to buy a season pass" and "get stealth instead" and things like that. I just simply reminded him that just because one enthusiast, who hasn't even ridden one, complains about a ride and just keeps going on about it. Once again.... No one has an opinion.... Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay@karenandjay.com Wed Aug 27 20:11:23 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29856 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 03:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 03:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.139) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 03:11:22 -0000 Received: (cpmta 24920 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2003 20:10:54 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.116 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.139) with SMTP; 27 Aug 2003 20:10:54 -0700 X-Sent: 28 Aug 2003 03:10:54 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.33] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: MISC: Flyer for Carowinds X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030827201054.3927.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I often find myself wondering, "Isn't it part of the journalist's job to *research*??" < Many years ago that was true. Now a journalist's job is to fill the empty spaces between the ads, and to do so as quickly as possible. So if someone hands you a press release, you simply paraphrase it and send it to print. Maybe each major newspaper should have an enthusiasts on staff to pick up on such mistakes. ;-) Jay From edi_meister@yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 20:31:53 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98568 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 03:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 03:31:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 03:31:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.170] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2003 03:30:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:30:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: MISC: Accidents a-plenty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030825132418.33994.qmail@web40010.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Andrew BK" X-Originating-IP: 205.180.14.240 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister This one seems a little out of the ordinary: Man loses prosthetic leg on inverted coaster (Wednesday, August 13, 2003) - At Universal Studios Islands of Adventure theme park in Orlando, Florida, a man's prosthetic leg fell off while he was riding the Dueling Dragons inverted roller coaster. Park officials believe that the leg fell into a pond underneath the coaster and sent dive teams to search for it. http://www.amputee-center.com/wwwboard/messages/4413.html Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Adam Sandy wrote: > A few accidents/incidents that happened in the last > week: > > At a Six Flags park in Europe, Six Flags Belgium, I > believe, the pusher mechanism on Turbine, a > Schwarzkopf shuttle, shattered. > > On Steel Dragon 2000 two wheels were lost, striking > and injuring two people. > > At PCW something went wrong with the fiberglass work > on their SBF Wonderflight called Jimmy Neutron's Brain > Washer and a few kids were taken to the hospital. > > Adam > > ===== > *************** > Adam Sandy > Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ > Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com > Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com > "How's your Funkentelechy?" Parliament > *************** > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From IOASpiderman@addrealm.com Wed Aug 27 21:13:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@addrealm.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95759 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 04:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 04:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO natasha.asdf456.com) (64.235.37.2) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 04:13:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 19845 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 2003 04:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO FILIPM2T40) (128.113.194.59) by natasha.asdf456.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 04:12:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c36d1a$a478e6f0$3bc27180@FILIPM2T40> To: References: <171.23142133.2c7ea894@aol.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUESTION: No Limits Coaster Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:12:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Mike" Reply-To: "Mike" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129739118 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Hey everyone just got a new computer and i have Windows XP Pro on my > computer, tired to put No Limits on and when i started the simulator the coaster only > ran at 0 or 1 FPS!!!! > Any Help Would be appreciated It's probably an issue with your video card (windows xp doesn't have anything to do with it... sort of). The first thing I would try would be going to the manufacturer of the video card's website and then download the latest driver for it, becuase sometimes XP installs drivers on the video card that don't work that great (which would be weird since the computer is new and the proper driver should be installed on it, not the XP ones). Also, install the latest version of Direct X (which you can get at this adress: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/default.aspx ), and also make sure you have upgraded No Limits to the latest version, which I think is now 1.3 . This should hopefully resolve any issues. If not, you can e-mail the help team for No Limits (their address is support@nolimitscoaster.com ), they're pretty good, they got back to me pretty fast when I had a problem. If you do make sure you tell them everything you have on your system (amount of ram, processor, video card type & size, operating system, etc). Hope that helps. Mike IOASpiderman@addrealm.com P.S. most of the stuff I said and a couple more things are on the problems section of the NoLimits website... http://nolimitscoaster.de/troubleshooting.htm From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 27 21:58:15 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94712 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 04:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 04:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 04:58:12 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/53Z9W+K9tRZJXVuEYowe4HgQcdqW5g5i">; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:56:57 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8M5MZLP; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:56:57 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:47:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Flyer for Carowinds Message-ID: <20030827.235608.740.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,13-14,19-21 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > I often find myself wondering, "Isn't it part of the > journalist's job to *research*??" < > > Many years ago that was true. Now a journalist's job is to > fill the empty spaces between the ads, and to do so as quickly > as possible. So if someone hands you a press release, you > simply paraphrase it and send it to print. Maybe each major > newspaper should have an enthusiasts on staff to pick up on > such mistakes. ;-) Well, I certainly wasn't suggesting that! And I also doubt the press release listed other flying coasters (or perhaps it did, given the ommision of the two closest ones). :-) It's just that this journalist was so far off, especially given the fact that SFKK doesn't even have a flying coaster (or a Superman ride)! More than anything, I got a laugh out of it, and I hope others did too. I'm *still* waiting for a newspaper article completely free of factual errors (maybe someone should introduce these journalists to rcdb.com!). -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From coasterdude18@juno.com Wed Aug 27 22:00:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23710 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2003 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 04:59:59 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/53Z9W+K9tRavq1/vphFVAxqBzqg3XQdv">; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:56:57 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8M5MZLU; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:56:57 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:56:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... Message-ID: <20030827.235608.740.2.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-10,13-15 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Hey, that's okay. I waited a half hour for it and thought it was > > worth > > every second of my time in line. It's certainly superior to that > > new > > redneck-themed Intamin attraction. > Ok, we're not allowed to bash coasters you like....'nuff said. What the heck are you talking about? Shall we try it again in English? (Hint: take the fanboy goggles off first) Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is a message board, so don't get upset and/or defensive when somebody challenges what you're saying. -Nate K. coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From MxPx2@aol.com Thu Aug 28 19:32:44 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: MxPx2@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28699 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 02:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 02:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 02:32:39 -0000 Received: from MxPx2@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.106.269d7538 (4238) for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <106.269d7538.2c8014d8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:30:48 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: MxPx2@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2642638 X-Yahoo-Profile: coaster_punk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/2003 1:01:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, coasterdude18@juno.com writes: What the heck are you talking about? Shall we try it again in English? (Hint: take the fanboy goggles off first) First of all, this has NOTHING to do with being a fanboy. I've said a million times that I just like the ride, and I don't care where the hell it is located, I would still love it as much. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is a message board, so don't get upset and/or defensive when somebody challenges what you're saying. Well then why do you get upset/defensive when I say something SHIVERING TIMBERS SUCKS? Yeah, I thought so...One-sided conversations always work the best. (hint: your opinion is not the only one that counts) Josh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterdude18@juno.com Thu Aug 28 22:18:16 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17887 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 05:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 05:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m12.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.75) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 05:18:15 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"Vfn5eqVWrHGjBQCjkSP0V+8nH6LtG57/p0ltBlOEY1Yul3Nwv4gAj0WqcSSpE+/F">; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:17:27 PDT Received: (from coasterdude18@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8QQ782Y; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:17:27 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:16:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... Message-ID: <20030829.001651.1420.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,12-13,19-20,28-29,35-40,44-46 From: coasterdude18@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64014415 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is a message board, > > so > > don't get upset and/or defensive when somebody challenges what > > you're saying. > Well then why do you get upset/defensive when I say something > SHIVERING > TIMBERS SUCKS? You miss my point. Read what I said again..."don't get upset and/or defensive when somebody challenges what you're saying." You can scresm "Shivering Timbers sucks" all you want, but it's not a valid argument. Valid arguments are backed by some evidence. Okay, so let's back up that argument with evidence. In the past, you've basically claimed (among a few other minor things) that ST had no airtime. That's fine, BUT I challenged that by pointing out it's not valid to complain about slamming down into your seat if you haven't left it in the first place! That is, how are you slamming down into the seat if you didn't get any airtime? If you want to counter that with other evidence and/or discussion, that's fine...that's what message boards are about. My whole point is, though, that anything you post to this list can (and likely) will be challenged by people of the opposite view. Just as you won't get away without some argument on Coasterbuzz saying "Cedar Point is crap," you probably will get some argument if you make a board claim (like "Shivering Timbers sucks") without backing it up. And even then, you can probably expect some argument and disagreements. All that said, I never got upset/defensive when you made a claim ("Shivering Timbers sucks"). I did disagree, however, and I demonstrated why (and why your arguments were perhaps not so valid). An important thing to remember on message boards: just because someone counters your argument or disagrees with what you're saying, doesn't mean that person is upset or being needlessly defensive. > Yeah, I thought so...One-sided conversations always > work the best. > (hint: your opinion is not the only one that counts) You're right - I never said, nor implied that it is. As I demonstrated here, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they don't count for a whole lot if they're baseless (ie without evidence). And if your evidence is shaky, then it still doesn't count for so much. -Nate K coasterdude18@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From burn.doug@verizon.net Thu Aug 28 23:22:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36284 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 06:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 06:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out005.verizon.net) (206.46.170.143) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 06:22:39 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030829062213.YZDL15786.out005.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:22:13 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... References: <20030829.001651.1420.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:22:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030829.001651.1420.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:22:12 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:16:51 -0500, wrote: >> > Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is a message board, > And without trying to be rude, I think that everyone has heard enough opinions on this thread. Especially since most of the recent posts on it have had little to do with the actual topic recently. Please guys, move the discussion offlist and close this thread. George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From jay@karenandjay.com Fri Aug 29 06:17:47 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68563 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 13:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 13:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.122) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 13:17:46 -0000 Received: (cpmta 5686 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 06:17:34 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.116 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 06:17:34 -0700 X-Sent: 29 Aug 2003 13:17:34 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.216] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: Re: QUESTION: No Limits Coaster X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 06:17:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030829061734.23241.h002.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It's probably an issue with your video card (windows xp doesn't have anything to do with it... sort of). < The only thing I'll ad to this is that No Limits uses OpenGL, which is not always supported well on all video cards. Make sure your card has OpenGL capability, and that it's enabled. Also, No Limits doesn't like ATI chipsets. So if you have an ATI graphics set, the only solution is to get a different video card. Jay From StratBigShot@aol.com Fri Aug 29 07:19:31 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35070 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 14:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 14:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 14:19:30 -0000 Received: from StratBigShot@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.1a9.1951b200 (16087) for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.132]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed73f4f60dd19d; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:19:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:19:09 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: QUESTION: No Limits Coaster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <31A5177A.44187813.453D02EE@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 169.241.10.81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: StratBigShot@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122428876 X-Yahoo-Profile: xceleratorknotts Thanks for the help everyone John (Stratosphere Tower: You Can't Top This! Project X Sky = X SCREAM) From IOASpiderman@addrealm.com Fri Aug 29 08:55:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: IOASpiderman@addrealm.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99612 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 15:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 15:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO natasha.asdf456.com) (64.235.37.2) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 15:55:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 31681 invoked by uid 0); 29 Aug 2003 14:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO FILIPM2T40) (128.113.194.59) by natasha.asdf456.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 14:30:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c36e3a$185e2f10$3bc27180@FILIPM2T40> To: References: <20030829.001651.1420.0.coasterdude18@juno.com> Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:30:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Mike" Reply-To: "Mike" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=129739118 X-Yahoo-Profile: ioaspiderman > Okay, so let's back up that argument with evidence. In the past, you've > basically claimed (among a few other minor things) that ST had no > airtime. That's fine, BUT I challenged that by pointing out it's not > valid to complain about slamming down into your seat if you haven't left > it in the first place! That is, how are you slamming down into the seat > if you didn't get any airtime? Sorry George, but I was just gonna say how this is possible. One word: jackhammering. I haven't been on ST, and I'm not sure how far the coaster has degraded since the park was bought by Cedar Fair (and I haven't read any of the previous messages on this topic, so I'm not really sure what the context of the slamming was). But take Hercules for example... There is not a single second of air on that ride, but I slammed into the bottom of the seat because the coaster was so damn rough and had an insane amount of jackhammering... and it really made my ribs hurt. Ok, thats it. Mike IOASpiderman@addrealm.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 14:05:28 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95557 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 21:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Aug 2003 21:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web20603.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.226.161) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 21:05:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20030829205753.35896.qmail@web20603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.149.148.110] by web20603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:57:53 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c36e3a$185e2f10$3bc27180@FILIPM2T40> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jeremy Norris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Mike wrote: > Sorry George, but I was just gonna say how this is > possible. One word: > jackhammering. I haven't been on ST, and I'm not > sure how far the coaster > has degraded since the park was bought by Cedar Fair > (and I haven't read any > of the previous messages on this topic, so I'm not > really sure what the > context of the slamming was). But take Hercules for > example... There is not > a single second of air on that ride, but I slammed > into the bottom of the > seat because the coaster was so damn rough and had > an insane amount of > jackhammering... and it really made my ribs hurt. > Ok, thats it. And just to prove that no matter what is said, someone can offer a counterpoint: I counted no less than FOUR spots of pure EJECTOR AIR on Hercules. That's the big reason it is in my top ten. lata, jeremy -who perhaps likes jackhammering... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Sat Aug 30 00:53:12 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47283 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 07:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2003 07:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out001.verizon.net) (206.46.170.140) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 07:52:52 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030830075251.FNUI1299.out001.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:52:51 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed To: "rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com" Subject: NEWS: Hillcrest Park closing MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:52:50 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash While news about the park closing hasn't been posted that I've seen, this may as well be saying the same thing-their wood coaster is for sale due to loss of property. Here's the link to the coaster sale: http://www.amusementtrader.com/ad_detail.php?ad_id=1261& More pictures and details on the coaster can be found here: http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail327.htm So looks like we may be losing another classic coaster, even if it is a small one. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From afrsandy@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 10:48:50 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: afrsandy@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65054 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2003 17:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web40009.mail.yahoo.com) (66.218.78.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 17:16:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20030830171634.23137.qmail@web40009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.107.121.8] by web40009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:16:34 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: QUES: Discounts for SFStL? To: RCT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Adam Sandy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81405820 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy I know that Six Flags has a lot of 2-for-1 deals right now, which I have via Comcast. But, we have three of us going. So, do any local grocery stores have discounted tickets for one person to buy? Adam ===== *************** Adam Sandy Webmaster: http://history.amusement-parks.com/ Webmaster: http://www.flatrides.com Historian: http://www.ultimaterollercoaster.com “How’s your Funkentelechy?” Parliament *************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From burn.doug@verizon.net Sat Aug 30 13:30:04 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52329 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 20:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2003 20:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop017.verizon.net) (206.46.170.210) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 20:30:03 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030830202936.NWCW27671.pop017.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:36 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Discounts for SFStL? References: <20030830171634.23137.qmail@web40009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:29:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030830171634.23137.qmail@web40009.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:35 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:16:34 -0700 (PDT), Adam Sandy wrote: > I know that Six Flags has a lot of 2-for-1 deals right > now, which I have via Comcast. But, we have three of > us going. So, do any local grocery stores have > discounted tickets for one person to buy? Give the park a call. Out here at SFMM they'll accept a coke can and give a person a half price admission with it as part of the 2 for 1 deal. No second person necessary. keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From bethtoons@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 22:31:58 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38862 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 02:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 02:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12606.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.229) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 02:12:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20030831021051.21293.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.10.206.152] by web12606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:10:51 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hillcrest Park closing To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Elizabeth Aslakson X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63486352 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons I know you read TRs George, did you not read my Hillcrest report in July? The way the owner made it sound in July, the Little Dipper, as well as many of the other rides, will find new homes and they've had several serious inquiries into the coaster from parks like Quassy and Little A-Merrick-A, so I suspect if it is at all feasable, the coaster will be relocated and rebuilt. Beth - who spent an abreviated hot and humid day at BGW today :) --- George Burnash wrote: > While news about the park closing hasn't been posted > that I've seen, this > may as well be saying the same thing-their wood > coaster is for sale due to > loss of property. Here's the link to the coaster > sale: > > http://www.amusementtrader.com/ad_detail.php?ad_id=1261& > > More pictures and details on the coaster can be > found here: > > http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail327.htm > > So looks like we may be losing another classic > coaster, even if it is a > small one. > > > keep on ridin' > > George > > > > -- > Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life > with God is one thrill > ride you won't want to get off of. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Don't forget our group sites at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk and > http://www.geocities.com/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found > there. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RollerCoasterTalk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Xcoaster@juno.com Sun Aug 31 00:02:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: xcoaster@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39710 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 02:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 02:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO m28.nyc.untd.com) (64.136.22.91) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 02:08:39 -0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"S1XTBOmPsohiKv2kq6/VWgIz4UYXWadgWaRuUOWhPvGQlHtRn09+6A==">; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:07:30 PDT Received: (from xcoaster@juno.com) by m28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H8VJ5VLC; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:07:30 PDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:05:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Discounts for SFStL? Message-ID: <20030830.190534.-1484467.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,13-15 From: Xcoaster@juno.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=61538169 X-Yahoo-Profile: xcoasterxtreme > > I know that Six Flags has a lot of 2-for-1 deals right > > now, which I have via Comcast. But, we have three of > > us going. So, do any local grocery stores have > > discounted tickets for one person to buy? > > Give the park a call. Out here at SFMM they'll accept a coke can > and give > a person a half price admission with it as part of the 2 for 1 deal. > No > second person necessary. Are they still doing that? My friends and I are thinking about making a trip over there something, so that would be a help. And does it need to have something on it about the discount, or is it any old Coca Cola can? 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From burn.doug@verizon.net Sun Aug 31 01:01:52 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18666 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 06:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out005.verizon.net) (206.46.170.143) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 06:09:38 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030831060925.QMOT15786.out005.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:09:25 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hillcrest Park closing References: <20030831021051.21293.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:09:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030831021051.21293.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:09:23 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT), Elizabeth Aslakson wrote: > I know you read TRs George, did you not read my > Hillcrest report in July? Yes, I remember reading it, but forgot that you had mentioned that. Y'know, that old age thing. ;) > The way the owner made it sound in July, the Little > Dipper, as well as many of the other rides, will find > new homes and they've had several serious inquiries > into the coaster from parks like Quassy and Little > A-Merrick-A, so I suspect if it is at all feasable, > the coaster will be relocated and rebuilt. > I hope so. I know the price seems extremely reasonable, though it obviously doesn't include moving or reconstruction costs. Hoping that it finds a new home soon. keep on ridin George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From xblack7x@aol.com Sun Aug 31 09:46:00 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35185 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.f3.2f4d6c61 (4238) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:44:58 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Hillcrest Park closing To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/2003 4:24:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, burn.doug@verizon.net writes: While news about the park closing hasn't been posted that I've seen, this may as well be saying the same thing-their wood coaster is for sale due to loss of property. Here's the link to the coaster sale: http://www.amusementtrader.com/ad_detail.php?ad_id=1261& More pictures and details on the coaster can be found here: http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail327.htm So looks like we may be losing another classic coaster, even if it is a small one. Sad indeed, wish I could have made it to the even out there in July. I know a perfect place for that coaster though (no, my backyard is far too small). I think it would match perfectly with the Phoenix and the Twister. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From xblack7x@aol.com Sun Aug 31 09:58:19 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: XBlack7x@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19213 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 16:43:23 -0000 Received: from XBlack7x@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.17.3cdc1719 (4238) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17.3cdc1719.2c837f7e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:42:38 EDT Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Tricky Dick Kinzel's opinion on Disaster Transp... To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 920 From: xblack7x@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=146695964 X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2003 5:08:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scrunch17@yahoo.com writes: And just to prove that no matter what is said, someone can offer a counterpoint: I counted no less than FOUR spots of pure EJECTOR AIR on Hercules. That's the big reason it is in my top ten. lata, jeremy -who perhaps likes jackhammering... Maybe when it opened in '89 (it really was good then), but this year when I rode it, I found it so badly trimmed and rough that I can't imagine airtime possible, even on the first drop. Nathan Brown ____________________________________________________________________ Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CoasterDainan@aol.com Sun Aug 31 10:30:40 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25289 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 17:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 17:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 17:30:37 -0000 Received: from CoasterDainan@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.99.3c68c4b4 (30970); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <99.3c68c4b4.2c838a7d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:29:33 EDT Subject: Review on The Great Escape and La Ronde To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, RobbAlvey@aol.com, Snoopy1029@aol.com, Dizzbear1320@aol.com, cyclonecolly@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6015 From: CoasterDainan@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77685570 X-Yahoo-Profile: mamarose1129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My family and I just got back from our vacation to Lake George yesterday an= d=20 here is a review on the coasters. The Great Escape: We ended up at this park 4 times. We loved it. Our season= =20 passes for SFGAv worked there so we were thrilled. Boomerang Coast-To-Coaster: It was our first Vekoma Boomerang. My 7 year ol= d=20 sister is just a little over 48 inches so she got on everything in the park= .=20 This was her first looping coaster. We all loved it. It was really smooth. = We=20 ended up riding it over and over and over again.=20 Comet: We also loved this. (my mom doesn't go on any wooden coasters) It wa= s=20 one of the best wooden coaster's I've ever ridden. Plenty of airtime. We go= t=20 the last seat a few times. Steamin' Demon: This was a fun Arrow looping corkscrew, but it was very=20 rough. We rode it over and over again too. Nightmare at Crack Axle Canyon: This was a Schwarzkopf Jet Star in the dark= .=20 I got a lot of airtime. it had a really low capacity. It only allowed 2 rid= ers=20 per train. It felt like you were gonna crash into a wall. Canyon Blaster: NEW FOR 2003: It was a regular Arrow Mine Train, small,=20 rickety, but know air time. Even my sister thought it was stupid. Alpine Bobsled: CLOSED ALL WEEK. We came to the park mainly for this and it= =20 was closed. We were so sad. La Ronde: This was are first time to Montreal, let alone Quebec it was are= =20 first park outside the USA. It was it's own island. When you go over the Ja= cques=20 Cartier bridge there is an exit in the middle of it which takes you to the= =20 island that La Ronde is on. EVERYTHING WAS IN FRENCH Le Boomerang: This was another Vekoma Boomerang but you had to be 52 inches= =20 to ride all the upside down rides so Savannah wasn't too thrilled. I ended= up=20 going on it by myself. My twin brother, Anthony was sad that are little sis= ter=20 couldn't go on so he didn't. This ride was really brutal. It had the old=20 trains with the old restrains. I only went on it once. Le Monstre: I was expecting it to be very rough because it has the Morgan=20 trains but it was smooth, fast, TALL, and plenty of airtime. Also 52 inches= to=20 ride. it was longer than I thought it would be. Super Man=E8ge: This was a Vekoma Corkscrew with Bayerncurve so I expected = it=20 to be rough to but it was smooth. It had plenty of air time and it was long= er=20 then I thought it would be Le Cobra: This was an Intamin stand up coaster. It was my first stand up=20 coaster (actually none of us has been on a stand up coaster before this one= ). it=20 had one loop but it was still fun. Toboggan Nordique: This was a Zamperela Zig Zag coaster (Wild Mouse). It wa= s=20 Savannah's first Wild mouse coaster and she loved it. Le Vampire: Just a mirror image of Batman the Ride. It is an Inverted coast= er=20 with a lot of positive g's. It was ok. Dragon: An Intamin coaster in the dark. It was really tamed but themed very= =20 well. I would have thought La Ronde was a Disney park not Six Flags. We all= =20 loved it. The pictures will be on my site soon. thanks for reading. -Dainan Coasters are what I live for! Visit my website at: Coaster=3DDainan [Unable to display image] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@consolidated.net Sun Aug 31 16:34:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62159 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 19:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 19:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 19:21:16 -0000 Received: from jcz (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by smtp01.consolidated.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.2-CR) with SMTP id AIP10389; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002f01c36ff4$4e8a5da0$354cb0d8@jcz> To: "Matt & Lisa Zwilling" , "Franklin A Zirkle" , "brent zerkle" , "Ray & Elfrieda Zerkel" , "Paul and Dawn Zerkel" , "Paul Zerkel" , "Diane Burns" , "Jim Hinkle" , "Howard Winter" , "Cathy Brenner" , "Ivan Burgener" , "Lowell Burgener" , "Nina Burgener" , "Timothy Burgener" , "Clark Hinkle" , "Maria Hinkle" , "Diane Hogan" , "Marcella Wolf" , "Sabina Ward" , , "Janet Tucker" , , , , , "Elise Starr" , "dan staley" , "Dan Staley" , "Denise & Dennis Schichner" , "Steve & Lori Sager" , "Toney & Leah Roth" , "Rollercoastertalk" , , , "JR & Teresa Mullinax" , "Les Liss" , "Les Liss" , "Amanda Koehler" , "Terri Kerner" , "Brock Jolliff" , "Steve & Lisa Jacobsen" , "Martin & Amy Hufford" , "Allen Hinkle" , "Amy Hilliard" , "Mike and Jody Hahn" , "Tom & Nancy Grobengieser" , "Don & Bernice Grobengieser" , "Andy Grobengieser" , "randy green" , "Bill & Joyce Garlock" , "Jeff French" , "John & Elaine Fletemeyer" , , , "Charlotte D" , "Dawn Colclasure" , , "George Burnash" , "Timothy Burgener" , "btdmitchells" , "Russell Brewer" , "LaWanda Brewer" , "Elizabeth Aslakson" , "Alan" Subject: new email address for the Zerkel brothers Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello to all of our family, friends, acquaintances (and any other people who have found their way into our address book!) The Zerkel brothers have decided to retire their old, obsolete dial-up internet connection, in favor of DSL. Our new email address is: jzerkel@consolidated.net Maybe in about 10 years, we will move on up to a cable modem (you know...when the cable modems become obsolete...we'll probably be ready to get one of those!) So...everybody...SEND US SOME MAIL and let us know that we're still loved! Jon Zerkel Loren Zerkel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jzerkel@consolidated.net Sun Aug 31 18:27:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78333 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2003 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2003 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp01.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2003 23:22:49 -0000 Received: from jcz (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by smtp01.consolidated.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.2-CR) with SMTP id AIP31263; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:22:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000a01c37016$d290c400$354cb0d8@jcz> To: "Rollercoastertalk" Subject: testing Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:23:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 From: "Jon Zerkel" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138 X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if I'm clogging up everyone's mailbox w/ this post... but I just want to try sending a test message to see if my post will appear using my new DSL internet address. Jon Zerkel not Zucker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From burn.doug@verizon.net Sun Aug 31 23:44:01 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: burn.doug@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90021 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 06:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 06:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop017.verizon.net) (206.46.170.210) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 06:44:00 -0000 Received: from Desktop ([4.62.156.55]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030901064354.YCRJ27671.pop017.verizon.net@Desktop> for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:43:54 -0500 To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] QUES: Discounts for SFStL? References: <20030830.190534.-1484467.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:43:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030830.190534.-1484467.0.Xcoaster@juno.com> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2880 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [4.62.156.55] at Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:43:52 -0500 From: George Burnash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122596739 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:05:34 -0700, wrote: >> > I know that Six Flags has a lot of 2-for-1 deals right >> > now, which I have via Comcast. But, we have three of >> > us going. So, do any local grocery stores have >> > discounted tickets for one person to buy? >> >> Give the park a call. Out here at SFMM they'll accept a coke can and >> give a person a half price admission with it as part of the 2 for 1 >> deal. No second person necessary. > > Are they still doing that? My friends and I are thinking about making a > trip over there something, so that would be a help. And does it need to > have something on it about the discount, or is it any old Coca Cola can? I believe that it goes until early October, if I'm not mistaken, and I've heard reports that for some ticket windows the people weren't asking for the cans at all. At the least any can should work. But again, same advice I gave Adam-call or check on the park's website for the real "official" information. Keep on ridin' George -- Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down. But life with God is one thrill ride you won't want to get off of. From jay@karenandjay.com Mon Sep 01 07:26:37 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay@karenandjay.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15036 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 14:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2003 14:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c001.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.114) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 14:26:37 -0000 Received: (cpmta 10563 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 07:23:10 -0700 Received: from 209.228.32.132 (HELO mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net) by smtp.register-admin.com (209.228.32.114) with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 07:23:10 -0700 X-Sent: 1 Sep 2003 14:23:10 GMT Received: from [140.186.103.238] by mail.karenandjay.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Cc: anderson@crocker.com Return-Path: jay@karenandjay.com Subject: TR: Great Escape 8-31 X-Sent-From: jay@karenandjay.com Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.5.0-3_sol28 Message-Id: <20030901072310.27138.h018.c001.wm@mail.karenandjay.com.criticalpath.net> From: jay@karenandjay.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=65255884 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme For what was probably our final amusement park trip of the season, Karen and I went back to New York's Great Escape on Sunday. We arrived about noon, and both parking lots were full. Even so, the park didn't seem that crowded. From across the street, the top of the Canyon Blaster helix was just visible above the buildings. That was the first place we headed. We walked up the steep hill toward the Old Lady in the Shoe. I love that twisty walkway, full of shade and small replicas of old western buildings. There was sadly quite a bit of graffiti and trash inside the structures. But I'm glad they're still around. Ghost Town looked much better than when we were there earlier in the summer. The arcades and the restaurant were given a facelift and looked good. We watched the Canyon Blaster come swooping through its helix. It really was an impressive sight in a perfect location. We walked through the entrance and queued up. The queue was nicely placed and was bordered by a tall thin steel fence that allowed a good view of the ride. The park was running one train, which looked new (but wasn't). As I mentioned previously, there wasn't much to the ride. I know Chris said that the first lift was 30 feet high, but it sure didn't look it. What struck me about this ride were the different types of track structures. Off of the first lift, there was a stretch of track about twenty feet long that had completely different ledgers than the rest of the coaster. It looked like that one section was made by Arrow after Desperado, and it appeared grafted on awkwardly to the rest of the track. It looked like some sort of odd Frankenstein operation. For the track that ran along the ground, the rails looked thinner and the support structure was more like what Arrow used on its wood-structured mine trains. (The bulk of the supports were standard Arrow steel tubes). Another thing that struck me was that the train had upstop *plates,* not wheels. No wonder there was no airtime designed into this coaster! (Although that didn't stop Arrow when they built Magnum....) Chris was proud of the extensive theming on the ride. Maybe there's more to come, but I wasn't all that impressed with what I saw. There were large areas of open dirt. The rest of the area was piled with rocks. One of the old Ghost Town trains was lying in a wre