From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 09:37:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39455 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 16:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 16:36:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 16:36:10 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so997358ugc for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.119.13 with SMTP id w13mr1319385ugm; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:34:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44F73ABD.1010403@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=q5rgBC5woUoE8uUcHqRi3um_QjJsgkcuhNWo8_ZfKt8_xnGHk4LzWLw X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I can see benefits of both a message board and the e-mail group. I think I may prefer the message board overall, but our list is slow enough that the e-mail version isn't overwhelming. My fear is that if we changed to a message board, we might lose a lot of memebers along the way. Newsgroups in general are definitely dying. But so are most coaster-related boards. I think there are actually more enthusiasts than ever, but there are must SO MANY boards now that we're really spread all over the place. This is the only group I read religiously (that is, everything ever posted). I usually skim through Coasterbuzz topics that interest me, and occasionally post there. I miss the days when this group was more popular and we had a lot of regular contributers. I'm not sure they necessarily left because of the format, but it's definitely a possibility. Then again, most people seem to be saying they'd rather keep it e-mail based. We're obviously always going to be small, and that's fine. When I want to read lots, I'll go to Coasterbuzz. This works for what it is. -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 09:56:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50341 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 16:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 16:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.162) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 16:53:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:50:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:50:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:50:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:50:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=_VDDF2J-q9QSsXBge7LsyRhPQcECrW2Cjnbfc6Tes8_d-84 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: >SNIP< > We're obviously always going to be small, and that's fine. When I > want to read lots, I'll go to Coasterbuzz. This works for what it is. > -Nate I was reading a very good book (The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell),=20 and it brings out an interesting fact about groups and their size. Basically, groups function better if they are below 150 members. If a=20 group gets larger than 150, splinter groups start to happen, naturally.=20 It has to do with intimacy/familiarity (Of course I suppose it depends=20 on what those 150 people are doing!). Over 150, the inter-personal=20 connections start to get lost. So, in my opinion, small is just fine. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 09:59:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40898 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 16:59:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:59:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 16:59:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:59:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Jazz series at Pharaoh's Theme and Water Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wtX1MARyfa9P2vPJrSkVnJqzcrBlpnmn4fHOloXMUPl21X0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09/01/2006 Daily Bulletin http://www.dailybulletin.com/music/ci_4266425 Redlands, CA -- Pharaoh's Theme and Water Park will launch a smooth=20 jazz concert series at its new amphitheater on Saturday with=20 Hiroshima. The L.A. band, which formed in 1974, incorporates traditional=20 Japanese elements into the music and has sold 3 million albums.=20 Hiroshima's latest CD, "Obon," is its first without a vocalist. Tickets for the 7 p.m. show are $18-$50. Other artists on the schedule include Richard Elliot (Sept. 23) and=20 Warren Hill & Jeff Golub (Oct. 7). The venue is at 1101 N. California Street, Redlands. For more=20 information, call (909) 335-7275. -------- =A9 2006 Los Angeles Newspaper Group From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 10:12:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31344 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 17:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 17:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 17:09:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 17:08:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 17:08:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 17:08:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:08:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Jazz series at Pharaoh's Theme and Water Park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=WulBAK_hluBgc4ItvCvWAYiw2dcM1nCpYo4nPo9vwqx_j2E X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Speaking of Pharaoh's Theme Park. I was watching "CSI" recently, and=20 they used the Screaming Mummy (and the Park) in one of their shows=20 (even though it was supposed to be Navada). Someone had tampered with the trains undercarrage, and the train went=20 flying off of the tracks into the parking-lot, smashing into a car. It=20 was a fun show. -Alan From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 01 10:13:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29590 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 17:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 17:12:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.65) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 17:12:42 -0000 Received: from [72.17.242.146] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GJCYL-0005HQ-KS for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <44F869CC.2060207@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:11:40 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478509ac0f1770e5437f15e051c0d544fa429577c9b80c6f34e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.65 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=ZDjEwvW6L4l_62dSD1iNotNZq2qG1qa5TSf6TaqPPNGqpR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > > > George, > That does sound like a fun job. But I don't know if I can handle the > regection ;) > I'm always that persons that say "No" when asked if I want a picture > taken... And that's the wonderful thing with being a Disney photographer as opposed to everywhere else. We don't have to ask, and never, ever bug people for it. They come up to us asking. In three months I can count the number of times I've been told "no" by a guest on one hand. It's like no other place out there. But then neither is the photopass system. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 10:24:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91320 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 17:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 17:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 17:23:39 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so1026892uge for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr1339359ugm; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:23:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=LkpJnbhBf9lXYBqmGgrmRq87fFaKxD58Gn4LuHDRlfS4XDEUhoCCEok X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > >thrill seekers also walk away from the ride > > slightly disappointed. So really, what's the sense in it? > lol, no YOU are the one walking away dissappointed. i know that > others here DO like it, as well as enthusiasts on other boards. > again, not everyone gets into coasters in the same way you do. i > think thats the problem-you are sort of holding everyone up to your > own personal specifications. Since you misunderstood nearly everything I said, I'm not going to take on your reply point-by-point. Too much was either taken out of context or misconstructed that it's not worth bothering with. But I'll be happy to rephrase... Every ride that parks build has a target audience. Sometimes it's little kids (a kiddie coaster, for example). Sometimes it's families (a spinning mouse). Sometimes it's kids transitioning into bigger coasters (small looping coasters). Sometimes it's major thrill seekers (Kingda Ka, Millennium Force). That doesn't mean that one ride cannot attract a wide variety of people; there are many family coasters that appeal to everyone, and that's the point of having them. It also doesn't mean that a rides' target audience (or purpose for existing within the park) cannot change over time. Dorney's Laser was once no doubt a thrill ride, but I'd argue it now works as a beginning looping coaster for budding coaster riders. These rides' target audience are generally *not* based on the actual ride experience. For instance, you can have the most gentle ride in the world, but if it's 200 feet tall, you're not going to get little kids to ride it. That's not to say that forces don't play a part in this (forces on a family or kiddie coaster should be kept down, for instance) but that the way the ride looks is FAR more important in determining who is going to ride it. To use Cameron's example, we all know that Batman is a far more intense ride than Raging Bull. But while his friend would power ride Batman, he wouldn't dare ride Raging Bull. The sheer height and appearance of the ride scares off people who would have no problem with the g-forces exerted by the ride. Jay said that he feels this is a relatively recent phenomenon, and I agree with that to some extent. I think roller coasters always appealed to the thrill seekers (and he essentially says as much in his post when he describes the roller coaster as the "biggest ride in the park"). Roller coasters in general have just traditionally been "scarier" than the tilt-a-whirl or scrambler. But I do believe this "target audience" approach has been severely amplified in recent years, and I think his analysis of the marketing behind something like Magnum is spot on. Marketing is no doubt driving the rides that are being built, as well as what sorts of audiences those rides are going to attract. That's one of the reasons Six Flags is in so much trouble (too many thrill rides, not enough family rides). It's like the television industry. Traditionally, television stations tried to throw out nets and attract the largest audience possible for their shows. With the emergence of cable, however, television stations are narrowcasting - searching for smaller, more refined audiences they can sell products to (HGN, MTV, Food Network, Logo, ESPN, Soap Network, etc). This is actually extremely similar to what has gone on in the amusement park industry, I think. Yes, they want families. But some amusement parks target more families (or different types of families) than others. And some are more concerned about families than thrill seekers, and vice versa. Comparing this "narrowcasting" to a general trend of rides becoming less intense is interesting to me, because they seem to contradict each other. First I suppose I must supply some evidence to back up my claim that rides are becoming less intense. That's obviously not always true; Hades and the Voyage are among the most intense coasters I've ever ridden. But B&M in particular have very gradually been producing less and less intense rides, starting in 1999 or so. I don't think it's a matter of me growing jaded to coasters. Batman still feels like it's going to rip my legs off, Kumba is still forceful, and the early B&M standups are among their most intense coasters. Contrast that with B&M's newer rides and you see a very different breed. Just comparing Kumba to Medusa East, for instance, should help support this claim, since both are nearly identical in layout but not at all in ride experience. Their hypercoasters are probably the most gentle out there (the Morgan hypercoasters are probably just as gentle in their current state, but it's tough to say what they'd do without all of the heavy braking). I've ridden Raging Bull and Nitro. Nitro has some floaty airtime and one nice moment of positive G's, but it's pretty forceless overall....certainly for a 200' tall ride. People have said that SFoG's Goliath is nice and forceful, but others have also called it forceless. So, getting (finally) back to my original question, what's with the forceless rides? Perhaps it's as Jay says, and overzealous insurance companies have resulted in or required the minimization of forces. I could buy that, except other companies seem to still be cranking them out (then again, we know how much Intamin really cares about safety and regulation). I think it's ridiculous to build these massive rides and then make them forceless, and here's why: Take your average amusement park guest. He/ doesn't know much about roller coasters, their stats, or their forces. He sees a bunch of roller coasters, all of them 100' tall or less. Then there's the park's signature attraction: a 200' tall hypercoaster with lots of hills and a mile of track. Which coaster do you think he is going to think is the scariest, most thrilling, and most intense? If he is a thrill seeker, he is probably going to head straight for the hypercoaster since it's "supposed" to be the most thrilling/intense. If he generally doesn't like intense rides, he's going to steer clear of it, even if it's the park's least-intense roller coaster! Wouldn't it make more sense to actually build a ride in which the forces actually match up with the *perceived* forces? Again, take SheiKra. It's obviously the most intimidating ride in the park. It's obviously the one ride that's going to attract thrill seekers. The line is long exactly because of that. But what happens when they ride it and find that it's probably the *least* intense major coaster in the park? Not all of them are going to dislike it. Most probably enjoy it, in fact. I'm sure it's a hit for Busch simply due to the number of people it has attracted. But I think rides like Montu and Kumba have more longetivity because they're rides people want to keep coming back to. Once you take that initial drop on SheiKra once or twice, the thrill is essentially gone (especially since it's not an intense drop to begin with). I'm sure some number of people are disappointed the first time they ride it. I know I was, and so was my brother (who, again, is in no way an enthusiast). It makes sense for your park's biggest ride to be the most intense, not the other way around. I'm sure Cameron's right that many are satisfied with their perception after riding. That is, they know they've just ridden this huge ride, there's a bragging factor, and there's the satisfaction of having survived it. But I don't think it's a ride that will remain thrilling all that long. It's certainly not in the same league as Montu and Kumba. I think a 7 year old could ride SheiKra with no problem. But most seven year olds are probably way too frightened to even give it a shot. On the other hand, the people excited to ride SheiKra could easily handle more forces throughout the ride...maybe even twice as much. And they'd probably be more satisfied if those forces where there. So what's the deal? -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 10:31:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39721 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 17:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 17:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 17:28:15 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id e2so942602ugf for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.7 with SMTP id v7mr1348522ugl; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:28:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=cqDnMoNR1DO4rtchgzWuT-FPBgULniRWRDzaG67fD_0M4afnsIxV9LQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Basically, groups function better if they are below 150 members. If a > group gets larger than 150, splinter groups start to happen, naturally. I think that's true. But in a message board., I think it's difficult to determine how to count membership. For instance, we have more than 200 members here. But we don't have anywhere near 150 contributers. It's an interesting point you've made, but I'm just not exactly sure how to apply it to this particular situation. :) -Nate From serpmage@juno.com Fri Sep 01 10:35:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30545 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 17:35:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 17:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 17:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 17:34:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:34:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.118.211.100 From: "Tim N." Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=vXMapNYbRnicxGzaVPwmJlRFvG157-tGqb3eQuP1WhZEkiZKGA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > I think that every coaster has a specific purpose - that is,=20 something > it is supposed to be or do. A coaster that stands only 35' tall=20 and > is just twists and turns is obviously meant for families. A=20 coaster > with inversions is obviously meant for older children and/or=20 adults . > A coaster that stands 400+ feet tall is obviously meant for thrill > seekers. >=20 > So are these coasters successfully hitting their target audience? > SheiKra, for instance, is pretty impressive-looking (and pretty > intimidating). It's certainly the most thrilling-looking coaster=20 in > the park. So I'm sure it attracts a lot of the park's thrill- seekers. > But the problem is that it's *not* thrilling. It might be "fun,"=20 but > I think if you're building a ride of that size with vertical drops=20 it > should provide some intense thrills.=20=20 A couple of things on this vein, intense thrills does not=20 necessarily mean insane G loads. If G loading is what you are=20 looking for, then a Dive Machine is certainly never going to make=20 you happy. The reason for this is that with a dive machine, the=20 train and track are incapable of handling high G maneuvers or quick=20 twisting rolls. Why is that? Because the trains are twice as wide=20 as a regular B&M train, or in the case of Griffon, 2.5 times, this=20 means a couple of things: First that the width of the train prevents=20 both sharp turns (because it would cause the rows to hit each other)=20 and sharp roll maneuvers like a zero-G roll (because the moment of=20 inertia along that axis is too large for any reasonable amount of=20 structure to be able to force the train to whip around that fast)=20=20 If you look at the POV of Griffon, the Immelman loops have very=20 loong and gradual returns to vertical because of this. So why not=20 make the trains narrower? Hopefully you know the answer to that=20 already, it would ruin the effect of...hanging people over the edge=20 of the first drop, which is the entire point of the ride.=20=20 Second, the width of the train also greatly increases the weight on=20 any given set of wheels over other regular set-ups, so a high G=20 maneuver would require some insanely huge wheels, as well as even=20 bigger track, and I think we can agree that Shiekra's track profile=20 is already overly beefy. I give BEC credit for trying to do=20 something with the layout other than just a return run to the=20 station like the other 2 dive machines do. On top of that though,=20 they aren't looking for super short, cheap thrills with horrible=20 throughput, and they aren't looking to just keep building more of=20 the same experience as they already have. If you want high=20 intensity and twists, go ride Kumba, Montu, or Alpie. If you want=20 low to the ground speed, go ride Scorpion or BBW, if you want to get=20 beaten up go ride LNM or Gwazi, if you want to free fall from 200=20 feet, ride Shiekra or Griffon. It is simply a different experience=20 from anything else that is currently offered. Apparently in your=20 mind different is bad, as for me, I'll take a 200 ft coaster that I=20 can take both my niece and my Mom on and we can all sit in the same=20 row. ~Tim N. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 10:58:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73404 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 17:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 17:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 17:58:08 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so1061172uge for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.11 with SMTP id r11mr1343651ugh; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:46:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=V0qqQJAW1ftf8w8pzVF-qA8Qd7creu0c0QimQOlb0aAAHKyOYlaPKI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > A couple of things on this vein, intense thrills does not > necessarily mean insane G loads. I think it does. It's hard to have what anyone would call "intensity" without having some high g-forces (or at least sustained g-forces). > If G loading is what you are > looking for, then a Dive Machine is certainly never going to make > you happy. The reason for this is that with a dive machine, the > train and track are incapable of handling high G maneuvers or quick > twisting rolls. Not true. There's no reason, for instance, that a dive machine could not have airtime. There's also little reason to eliminate nearly all of the positive G's from the ride. Positive G's do require a beefier support structure and spine, true, but only on those high-g area. And when this high-g area is essentially right on the ground, you're not looing at any major increase in cost. I'm not saying tight, quick maneuvers are neccesary; obviously those rides can't do that. And I'm fine with the layouts of SheiKra and Griffon. The problem I have is that all the g-forces have been engineered out of the areas where there SHOULD be g-forces (the tops and bottoms of the drops, for instance). > On top of that though, > they aren't looking for super short, cheap thrills with horrible > throughput, and they aren't looking to just keep building more of > the same experience as they already have. If you want high > intensity and twists, go ride Kumba, Montu, or Alpie. I'm obviously not looking for the same experience. But when I'm about to take a 200' plunge at a 90* angle, I expect to be able to feel it. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 01 12:18:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5732 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 19:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 19:16:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 19:16:13 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k81JG80w013520 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <060201c6cdfb$1949f340$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <44F70EB7.1000105@earthlink.net> <31C1ABEC-9A9E-4D69-A495-C9C009A5CE66@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:16:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT as message board (was SkeiKra is boring) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ekZsKqc00J7XVFiDXKvrgHiVy8o9UOer2qt8P6m_Bw6JVhElVpOr3myb_g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>> which bring me to a thought, george. perhaps its time to move RCT to >>> something like a more traditional message board, maybe like >>> vBulletin or something like that? > > I agree with George that the Yahoo group is a nice forum for this > list. I think that email makes people think a little more before > posting, and that's why there is so little noise. If you'd rather a > forum-like format, then you can read the messages directly on the > yahoo group page. > >> We'd certainly lose some of our readers and posters who either don't >> like message boards for a variety of reasons, or who can't access them >> on a regular basis but can do email. I've been staying out of this for now, but I've got to agree here. I simply can not stand web based message forums, since they are just so time consuming and make it impossible sort out the good messages from the crap, that I avoid them at all costs. RCT on Email is the best thing out there and the easiest way to communicate in and out. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 01 12:34:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77935 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 19:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 19:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 19:33:54 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k81JXXYe020850 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <067501c6cdfd$88a91480$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:33:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=PxJSCgIBt8so8ZryuIrPzh0hqDIV2a-862R8Fnhjx4ebXC1Mn1KVkYEl2A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>With the gradual economic downturn we're seeing, perhaps the era of record-breakers is ending and parks will get back to building rides that are just plain fun. >but it seems we have already seen that the past year or so. the last real megacoaster was Kingda, and after the initial fanfare ive not heard much about it. That's because it's been broke on and off for probably half of it's existance. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 01 12:36:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39838 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 19:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 19:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 19:36:54 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k81Jaqjo004081 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <06b401c6cdfd$fef029d0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:37:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=hEmIoF9NbMcFS0tUFVfitVpoKAJQIuI7FmpxolPZnLqHSxspqEMiWwE5qw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Okay, I'm giving you guys the heads up first. Screamscape.com has just posted the first unofficial rendering of Maverick and the rumored list of final stats and details... everything you've been wanting to know from Cedar Point over the summer but they wouldn't tell you. ;-) Check it out. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 12:56:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17129 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 19:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 19:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 19:52:42 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so1111049ugf for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr1399335ugg; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:52:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <06b401c6cdfd$fef029d0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <06b401c6cdfd$fef029d0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=NxtFyeOIZSPaElJD4biQ8JS0GZ1qR4HT1gD4FtNzz0pWBqyfamjnH-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 I just saw that. It looks very interesting, and a definite departure from what Cedar Point has been doing in the past. I love the theming/interaction with surrounding structures. I doubt this will break into anyone's top ten list, but I think this is almost exactly what they needed...other than some non-coaster attractions, that is. -Nate On 9/1/06, Lance Hart wrote: > Okay, I'm giving you guys the heads up first. > Screamscape.com has just posted the first unofficial rendering of Maverick > and the rumored list of final stats and details... everything you've been > wanting to know from Cedar Point over the summer but they wouldn't tell you. > ;-) > > Check it out. > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Fri Sep 01 13:52:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85787 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 20:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 20:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54210.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.252) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 20:48:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 7069 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2006 20:20:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20060901202041.7067.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.29] by web54210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:20:41 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 13:20:41 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <06b401c6cdfd$fef029d0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.252 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=gwpFVQ0MVp7BBIP_JSt9BP-lYXIoMn-RNhHfpdwBFSBqj8kqqy07PQSAYmlCACUs X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The official announcement is to be on September 7th. I wouldn't put full faith in what screamscape has to say. I will hold out until the CP announcement to see what it is really going to be like. The construction is coming along nicely though. Lance Hart wrote: Okay, I'm giving you guys the heads up first. Screamscape.com has just posted the first unofficial rendering of Maverick and the rumored list of final stats and details... everything you've been wanting to know from Cedar Point over the summer but they wouldn't tell you. ;-) Check it out. Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 14:19:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 109 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:10:40 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h2so931568ugf for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.11 with SMTP id w11mr1441555ugh; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:00:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060901202041.7067.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <06b401c6cdfd$fef029d0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <20060901202041.7067.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=juctpb7F2kLBgfFla7z47XyU_i4I5KVV2IKAvDU4HfSVsD9-hg1BmIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The official announcement is to be on September 7th. I wouldn't put full faith in > what screamscape has to say. I will hold out until the CP announcement to see > what it is really going to be like. The construction is coming along nicely though. Did you look at the concept artwork? What Screamscape has posted is exactly what is happening. There's no denying that. Anyone expecting otherwise is going to be really disappointed on the 7th. -Nate (who knows Tony Clark personally and still knew very little about this ride) From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 14:31:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97172 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:22:09 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:19:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:19:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:19:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:19:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=k-FmU-mngmMP7JhVfPmyvW-DHyI91sHowkwMfUffZJkfbW4R2e1cCcp-gw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > People have said that SFoG's Goliath is nice and > forceful, but others have also called it forceless. but with this one sentence we are back where we started from, arent=20 we? again its a matter of perception, even you seem to admit it with=20 this line. some people think that Goliath is forceful, some dont. so=20 just because you think Sheikra is forceless doesnt mean it true,=20 given this line that you yourself wrote, right? its just varies from=20 person to person.=20 > So, getting (finally) back to my original question, what's with the > forceless rides? and just when we seem to have a breakthrough your very next sentence=20 is this one. so which is it-that companies are building weaker=20 rides, or that it all comes down to personal perception?=20 > But what happens > when they ride it and find that it's probably the *least* intense > major coaster in the park? again, heres the sticking point. you and i both watch those coaster=20 shows on TLC, DSC, Travel, etc. how many times have you watched one=20 where they interview someone coming off a ride that you or I feel is=20 pretty weak and forceless, and yet the person on TV says that its=20 the most intense ride theyve ever been on, the most intense one in=20 the park, etc? sorry, but again this seems to be coming down to=20 personal taste and opinion more than some hidden agenda that=20 coasters are being built more and more tame.=20 =20 > Not all of them are going to dislike it. Most probably enjoy it,=20 in > fact. I'm sure it's a hit for Busch simply due to the number of > people it has attracted. But I think rides like Montu and Kumba=20 have > more longetivity because they're rides people want to keep coming=20 back > to.=20=20 actually from what ive seen this summer Sheikra has had the longest=20 lines compared to the other two. now granted, its the newest and=20 tallest, like you said. and i agree that Montu and Kumba are better=20 rides overall. but id be willing to bet that even say 5 or 10 years=20 from now(lets also theorize that BGT doesnt get anything as big in=20 that time) that the lines will still be the longest. you could be=20 right, it could be the size/location/intimidation factor, but maybe,=20 JUST MAYBE, could it be that its because its just a good ride?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 14:35:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32673 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.150) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:35:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:34:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:34:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <067501c6cdfd$88a91480$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=_ua7MZg7vc1WzCJ1EkH9errj5dEWt5xnxpuogwrTBY4M6E6ULYDLfb77cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > > >>With the gradual economic downturn we're seeing, perhaps the era of > record-breakers is ending and parks will get back to building rides > that are just plain fun. >=20 > >but it seems we have already seen that the past year or so. the last > real megacoaster was Kingda, and after the initial fanfare ive not > heard much about it. >=20 >=20 > That's because it's been broke on and off for probably half of it's=20 > existance. which brings up another point. if a more efficent, more dependable and=20 less expensive launching system is developed in the future, will giant=20 coasters make a comeback? is that the one thing that is keeping more=20 parks from getting 300, 400 or 500 foot coasters?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 14:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92859 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:33:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:31:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2006 21:31:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:31:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=xrlsOOSWP0XKzcIiBZMZjeYHneTOvGoLomdBhoY3hV3IXbmfUEVmpTmZFA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > A couple of things on this vein, intense thrills does not > > necessarily mean insane G loads. >=20 > I think it does. It's hard to have what anyone would=20 call "intensity" > without having some high g-forces (or at least sustained g-forces). but thats your definition of intesity, not everyone elses. again it=20 looks you thinking that everyone's idea of intesity is the same.=20 sure, if you said "sheikra has no positive Gs", i wouldnt be arguing=20 with you.=20 i find drop towers intense, and i know a lot of people that do. but=20 by your definition as it relates to g-force, thats somehow not an=20 applicable term(at least as far the initial drop goes, not the air- compressed "hops" after that).=20 =20 > Not true. There's no reason, for instance, that a dive machine=20 could > not have airtime.=20 this is where i have no idea where you are getting this as it=20 pertains to Sheikra. ive left my seat on the drop just about every=20 time ive ridden it since my initial TR. now if there is no airtime,=20 how could that be?! =20 From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 01 14:43:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92596 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:35:02 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k81JH5in019557 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <060701c6cdfb$3ba089e0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <44F70EB7.1000105@earthlink.net> <31C1ABEC-9A9E-4D69-A495-C9C009A5CE66@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:17:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Cedar Point - Take a look at Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=1D_k29Aa-CS60V2HPH36gowgJGILyNLNbIZTB2VHb4BSqPF_Okh0a9VDKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Okay, I'm giving you guys the heads up first. Screamscape.com has just posted the first unofficial rendering of Maverick and the rumored list of final stats and details... everything you've been wanting to know from Cedar Point over the summer but they wouldn't tell you. ;-) Check it out. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 14:51:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52660 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:50:27 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so1139868ugf for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.6 with SMTP id v6mr1459169ugl; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:50:23 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=JjODIc0p0eNpfm19eRTEtiCmXT726kttVTzl_TLkpBhFmQX7n-1hyCk X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > People have said that SFoG's Goliath is nice and > > forceful, but others have also called it forceless. > but with this one sentence we are back where we started from, arent > we? again its a matter of perception, even you seem to admit it with > this line. some people think that Goliath is forceful, some dont. No, that line indicates that I haven't ridden Goliath so I cannot comment with any certainty. I think there are a lot of fanboys who will praise the heck out of any ride that gets built at their home park, no matter how boring and forceless it is. For instance, when Dorney built Hydra, the fanboys were raving about it. Then two months later when everyone had ridden it, they quieted down and the truth came out - forceless. "Forcelessness" is a fact, not an opinion. It's one that can only be measured by personal perception (unless we're going to start taking accelerometers and doing a whole lot of mathematical equasions), but the "forcelessness" of a ride can certainly be measured. > so which is it-that companies are building weaker > rides, or that it all comes down to personal perception? Companies are building weaker rides. I don't think there are many enthusiasts who would argue that point. If you've ridden a few pre-1999 and a few post-1999 B&M coasters, you'd easily recognize the difference. > again, heres the sticking point. you and i both watch those coaster > shows on TLC, DSC, Travel, etc. how many times have you watched one > where they interview someone coming off a ride that you or I feel is > pretty weak and forceless, and yet the person on TV says that its > the most intense ride theyve ever been on Do you really think those travel programs are going to feature people getting off a huge ride they're essentially trying to promote saying it's boring? No matter how true it might be, it's not going to happen. > actually from what ive seen this summer Sheikra has had the longest > lines compared to the other two. Because it's new, it's huge, and it's being marketed. I addressed this at least twice in my other posts. Of COURSE SheiKra has the longest lines at the park. New coasters generally do. But line length is almost completely IRRELEVANT to this discussion, since most of those in line are probably first-time riders (meaning they haven't even ridden it yet to determine whether it's "forceless" or not). -Nate From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 14:55:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43290 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:53:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:53:32 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1083590ugc for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.10 with SMTP id r10mr1457904ugh; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:53:20 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=nOxhvKJBcQON6EZVyU2Kfohwhv60xOESyG5OsDqSJHn-TwdErt4LxCU X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > but thats your definition of intesity, not everyone elses. Oh please. And you blame *me* for arguing semantics! It's obvious that I'm using "intensity" here to refer to how forceful a ride is. It's been obvious since the beginning. Call it poor choice of words if you'd like, but it's stupid to spend all this time arguing when really it's the choice of words you have a problem with. > this is where i have no idea where you are getting this as it > pertains to Sheikra. ive left my seat on the drop just about every > time ive ridden it since my initial TR. now if there is no airtime, > how could that be?! Obviously someone found an anti-gravity cannon to use on you, because that ride is a dud. Take a trip to Holiday World and see what airtime is about. -Nate From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 01 14:58:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41680 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:58:01 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k81LvtWL021838 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02cf01c6ce11$b39af280$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <06b401c6cdfd$fef029d0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> <20060901202041.7067.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:58:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=yaT7zClsNar-r9ksD1LAgx6w3TKNdgi6EqJZWlN86bD-R0BtS61p4audHA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> The official announcement is to be on September 7th. I wouldn't put full >> faith in >> what screamscape has to say. I will hold out until the CP announcement to >> see > what it is really going to be like. The construction is coming >> along nicely though. > > Did you look at the concept artwork? > > What Screamscape has posted is exactly what is happening. There's no > denying that. Anyone expecting otherwise is going to be really > disappointed on the 7th. Hey, I don't lie about stuff like this. As far as I know, this is the real deal and has matched up to most of the clues I've posted to Screamscape over the last several months, including my own denial in the face of many people that this was NOT an AquaTrax. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 01 14:59:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19408 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2006 21:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Sep 2006 21:59:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 2006 21:59:37 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k81JWPSR029634 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <066e01c6cdfd$5fa051c0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060831225407.37675.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:32:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=fNmnTvC29IXIQreYESi0TuOT5LsRzJCZ5Gwf151LSfXFy2ep41NIth3P0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I think this "one-trick-pony" craze really began with Magnum, because the > most important advertised feature of the ride was simply its height: over > 200 feet. That became the sum total of its existence -- the first > 200-foot coaster. The ride experience to me was fun, but not as exciting > as the much tinier Blue Streak. But people flocked to it just to say they > rode a 200-foot-high coaster. I think the One Trick Pony concept began LONG AGO... long before Magnum. Plus Magnum talking about it's height as the main feature... coasters have been promoting that they were the tallest forever. I remember back in the day when Colossus at SFMM was the king because it was the biggest in the world for awhile. Look at The Beast... still the longest woodie ever built I believe. The Arrow Shuttels... drop, loop, return & repeat... Lets not even stick with coasters... look at other rides like the Shoot the Chutes / Tidal Waves. Up, turn, splash, done... it doesn't get more one trick pony than that. Go way way back now to the old days... the flip flap or whatever it was call...a true one trick pony because it was the first to have a loop... and really nothing else. Every major attraction has started off with one key gimick or concept that the rest of the ride was designed around at first. They may have expanded to include more as the design went, but there is usually a key element I think that sparks the idea for the entire ride's design. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 17:11:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74759 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 00:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 00:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 00:08:51 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 00:08:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 00:08:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 00:08:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:08:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=aaV_Wowfb0tmEj1zLTBcGd8-401XEWSzm2sHWBNppgGb1s4yhZWHUm4Mhg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > "Forcelessness" is a fact, not an opinion. It's one that can only be > measured by personal perception=20 that doesnt make any sense. you just contradicted yourself. first you=20 claim its fact, then you say it can only be measured by personal=20 perception. isnt that my definition "opinion"!? =20 > Companies are building weaker rides. I don't think there are many > enthusiasts who would argue that point. If you've ridden a few > pre-1999 and a few post-1999 B&M coasters, you'd easily recognize the > difference. S:UF-built in 02 and 03. you gonna call those forceless?=20 Nemisis:Inferno-built in 03, 4.5 Gs. again, forceless? what about=20 Tatsu? Air-3.5 Gs. Daemonen is at 4 Gs. and what about Wildfire?=20 Silver Star-4Gs. should i keep going?=20 sure some coasters overall have gotten weaker. and some are stronger.=20 but on the whole im not seeing that much difference. besides, is it=20 the companies that are building weaker rides, or is it parks not=20 wanting to take some risks?=20 regardless, i dont buy your arguement about pre and post 1999.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 01 17:26:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39083 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 00:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 00:26:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 00:26:08 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 00:26:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 00:26:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 00:26:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:26:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=GbzXqByGW-dan3FrOQ0_PaoXYPAIzD4tKhuEXFmx86HbsBY-EjHOTiCG6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > but thats your definition of intesity, not everyone elses. >=20 > Oh please. And you blame *me* for arguing semantics! >=20 > It's obvious that I'm using "intensity" here to refer to how=20 forceful > a ride is. It's been obvious since the beginning. Call it poor > choice of words if you'd like, but it's stupid to spend all this=20 time > arguing when really it's the choice of words you have a problem=20 with. but all youve done is replace "intensity" with "forceful", which is=20 just as vague. as tim said, its all in the eye of the beholder. if=20 you want strong Gs and lots of inversions, then thats what=20 intesity/forcefulness is to you. to me the airtime i get from the=20 drop on Shiekra is intense. just as i think the elements of the=20 Batman clones are intense to me.=20 its not coming down to semantics, or terminology, or wording, or=20 definitions or anything else. its getting down to what always=20 happens when people talk about coasters-like and dislike. simple as=20 that. you didnt have a good ride on Sheikra, or at least it didnt do=20 what you expected it to. thats fine. ive taken multiple rides on it=20 now, and i find it forceful and does what it set out to do. is there=20 much going on after the drop? not a whole lot no. i agree on that.=20 do i think its forceless? absolutely not.=20 and im not wrong, and neither are you. its just we have different=20 opinions on it, which is what ive been saying all along. what is=20 intense or forceful for you, or anyone for that matter, is going to=20 differ from others. and that goes for coaster enthusiasts or the=20 general public. ive gotten off rides that while i thought were crazy=20 intense, my friends have thought were just ok. and ive ridden things=20 that i thought were blah, but my friends thought were very forceful.=20 and yes, sometimes we agree too. and like you, most of my friends=20 arent enthusiasts either.=20 >=20 > > this is where i have no idea where you are getting this as it > > pertains to Sheikra. ive left my seat on the drop just about=20 every > > time ive ridden it since my initial TR. now if there is no=20 airtime, > > how could that be?! >=20 > Obviously someone found an anti-gravity cannon to use on you,=20 because > that ride is a dud. Take a trip to Holiday World and see what=20 airtime > is about. NOW whos being a fanboy? :P besides, i never said that any ride at HW was forceless, did I? From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Sep 02 00:37:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84862 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 07:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 07:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 07:37:07 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so1116099ugf for ; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr1624219ugm; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 02:27:02 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=YHCHvE6COIs7sBnZmQv7t8c5b1biZyV6KQovcfjN55m7VLj6IZBWiy8 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > "Forcelessness" is a fact, not an opinion. It's one that can only be > > measured by personal perception > that doesnt make any sense. you just contradicted yourself. first you > claim its fact, then you say it can only be measured by personal > perception. isnt that my definition "opinion"!? No. Did you bother to read the rest of that paragraph where I described how g-forces are physically measured? Right now (because we don't have accelerometers), "forcefulness" needs to be measured by personal perception. People should perceive forces in similar manners, assuming they've had enough experience to determine what is forceful and what is not. > S:UF-built in 02 and 03. you gonna call those forceless? > Nemisis:Inferno-built in 03, 4.5 Gs. again, forceless? what about > Tatsu? Air-3.5 Gs. Daemonen is at 4 Gs. and what about Wildfire? > Silver Star-4Gs. should i keep going? Sure, because I'd call *all* of those rides "forceless." Have you ridden S:UF? Outside of the pretzel loop, it's totally forceless. Many complained about Nemesis Inferno's lack of forces. Adam described the problems with marketing Silver Star because it's so weak. I don't care what the maximum g-force those rides pull is, because it's only for a fraction of a second. As anyone will tell you, duration of g-forces matters far more than level of g-force. > regardless, i dont buy your arguement about pre and post 1999. Then you probably haven't ridden enough pre-and-post-1999 B&M coasters to make a determination. I'm hardly the only enthusiast to ever have made that suggestion. > but all youve done is replace "intensity" with "forceful", which is > just as vague. If you think that's vague, then there's nothing else I can tell you because there's no way to be more specific. G-forces are g-forces. A ride with high g-forces (and, since I obviously need to specify to the ends of the earth with you, I'm talking about high g's at long enough durations for a normal person to significantly notice them) is a forceful ride. A forceful ride is an intense ride. Those are the definitions I'm using. > its not coming down to semantics, or terminology, or wording, or > definitions or anything else. its getting down to what always > happens when people talk about coasters-like and dislike. simple as > that. Except I'm not even debating what rides are "good" and "bad." You know what rides I probably feel are better because of our previous discussion, but I have made no statement that more forceful rides are better than less forceful rides. I'm making no judgement on how "good" a ride is, only discussing the "taming" of rides in conjunction with their marketing. > you didnt have a good ride on Sheikra, or at least it didnt do > what you expected it to. ...isthere >much going on after the drop? not a whole lot no. i agree on that. > do i think its forceless? absolutely not. Way to completely take back what you said one post ago. You said that you would agree that SheiKra is not a very forceful ride. But you won't agree to the term "forceless?" Again, it's all semantics with you. > > Obviously someone found an anti-gravity cannon to use on you, > > because > > that ride is a dud. Take a trip to Holiday World and see what > > airtime > > is about. > NOW whos being a fanboy? :P It's hard to be a Holiday World fanboy when the park is more than eight hours away and I've visited once in the past three years. But their rides are certainly forceful...and I think it's bizarre that a 90' tall wooden coaster is more forceful/intense than a 200' tall steel coaster with a vertical drop. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Sep 02 12:00:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18905 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 18:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 18:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.110) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 18:59:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 18:59:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 18:59:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 18:59:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:59:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=m3g_oAT9TjVssih_gn2JQgUJ9N7QLqVBodycVjzKM4CJOdBMW4pgEcA53w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > Did you bother to read the rest of that paragraph where I > described how g-forces are physically measured? Right now=20 (because we > don't have accelerometers), "forcefulness" needs to be measured by > personal perception. People should perceive forces in similar > manners, assuming they've had enough experience to determine what=20 is > forceful and what is not. but there is no scientific way of doing so. forces and levels=20 thereof are going to be percieved in different ways by different=20 people. what it sounds like you are wanting is that everyone should=20 agree with your ideas of forces because you consider yourself more=20 experienced than others. there is no way to prove or disprove based=20 on that, its all personal preference.=20 =20 > > S:UF-built in 02 and 03. you gonna call those forceless? > > Nemisis:Inferno-built in 03, 4.5 Gs. again, forceless? what about > > Tatsu? Air-3.5 Gs. Daemonen is at 4 Gs. and what about Wildfire? > > Silver Star-4Gs. should i keep going? >=20 > Sure, because I'd call *all* of those rides "forceless." Have you > ridden S:UF? Outside of the pretzel loop, it's totally forceless. > Many complained about Nemesis Inferno's lack of forces. Adam > described the problems with marketing Silver Star because it's so > weak. I don't care what the maximum g-force those rides pull is, > because it's only for a fraction of a second. As anyone will tell > you, duration of g-forces matters far more than level of g-force. again you are trying to come up with boundaries and definitions to=20 terms that are in the end strictly based on personal experience and=20 preference.=20 =20 > > regardless, i dont buy your arguement about pre and post 1999. >=20 > Then you probably haven't ridden enough pre-and-post-1999 B&M=20 coasters > to make a determination. I'm hardly the only enthusiast to ever=20 have > made that suggestion. and im not the only one to claim that Sheikra, SUF and some of the=20 other rides you claim as forceless are quite the opposite.=20 honestly, you are starting to sound like one of those "experts" over=20 on coasterbuzz that claim they know more than others just because=20 their coaster count is higher. unless youve got some scientific way=20 of showing how a ride is "forceless", saying "people should perceive=20 forces in similar manners, assuming they've had enough experience to=20 determine what is forceful and what is not" is not an accurate gauge=20 of forces.=20 > > you didnt have a good ride on Sheikra, or at least it didnt do > > what you expected it to. ...isthere > >much going on after the drop? not a whole lot no. i agree on that. > > do i think its forceless? absolutely not. >=20 > Way to completely take back what you said one post ago. You said=20 that > you would agree that SheiKra is not a very forceful ride. But you > won't agree to the term "forceless?" Again, it's all semantics=20 with > you. i said there isnt much going on after the drop. how you got that i=20 was claiming its forceless out of that i have no idea. its not the=20 same thing.=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Sat Sep 02 14:18:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23594 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 21:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 21:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 21:12:57 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so1446319uge for ; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr1949100ugg; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:12:54 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gard?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=0k07KUHXwxbcZmfakWkKtXwiHMYqftBlxAt81HFHd7eE7ogMvXkGC0E X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > but there is no scientific way of doing so. Ever heard of an accelerometer? > forces and levels > thereof are going to be percieved in different ways by different > people. Try telling that to a scientist! Everyone feels 4 G's the same way. Now, whether people decide they LIKE that feeling or HATE that feeling is another matter entirely, but that's not what I'm getting at here. > and im not the only one to claim that Sheikra, SUF and some of the > other rides you claim as forceless are quite the opposite. You're one of the few I've ever heard make that claim. > honestly, you are starting to sound like one of those "experts" over > on coasterbuzz that claim they know more than others just because > their coaster count is higher. That's not what's going on here at all. You're just completely missing the point over, and over, and over again (ironically enough, just like the 14-year-old kids on Coasterbuzz who don't bother to actually read what someone else has typed). I've never bragged about my track record. But if you haven't ridden a few pre-1999 B&M rides to contrast with the post-1999 B&M rides, how would you notice the obvious difference? > i said there isnt much going on after the drop. how you got that i > was claiming its forceless out of that i have no idea. its not the > same thing. You know, I tried to change the subject and lead this to an intelligent discussion of the business end of things, but you're so obsessed with this SheiKra fanboyism that you can't even let that go. This isn't solely about SheiKra, and it's about time we move past that. That said... This is what you said: "if you said "sheikra has no positive Gs", i wouldnt be arguing with you." Smells like"forceless" to me. -Nate From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Sep 02 16:31:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64011 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2006 23:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2006 23:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2006 23:27:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 23:26:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2006 23:26:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 23:26:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_E_dge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=UM4eXH851tnjkaVCB3adIrpoWxLRItkrcSTpT8zQlnJuBcLz9pw3-8E5qw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > > but there is no scientific way of doing so. >=20 > Ever heard of an accelerometer? so what are the readings, from beginning to end, on sheikra? do you=20 know?=20 > > and im not the only one to claim that Sheikra, SUF and some of=20 the > > other rides you claim as forceless are quite the opposite. >=20 > You're one of the few I've ever heard make that claim. well in case you havent noticed, hardly anyone is taking part in=20 this discussion but you and me.=20 > But if you haven't ridden a few pre-1999 B&M rides to > contrast with the post-1999 B&M rides, how would you notice the > obvious difference? and i have, and not noticed that much difference.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 02 17:48:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46386 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 00:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 00:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53104.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 00:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 49505 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 00:46:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903004633.49503.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.249.71] by web53104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:46:33 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 17:46:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe Goes Over the X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=JZKm2n3FNY75xgm-zJ_gYT4bOGUGGuOtkSU5LcD5W2ZzUQ8divkd X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It's hard to have what anyone would call "intensity" without having some high g-forces (or at least sustained g-forces). < Actually, I think it's possible. The forces don't necessarily have to be intense -- just the experience. So if a coaster is well-designed -- theatrically -- a rather mild ride force-wise can be perceived as a really intense experience. Look how many G.P.s come off of Space Mountain terrified, swearing they'll never ride it again. The coaster barely goes 30 mph, but because of the darkness and effects it feels like a much more intense ride. I think that BGE's new ride could be made to *seem* really intense if that's the effect the park wanted. Perhaps they're spending so much on the physical coaster, they can't afford theming. I mean, look at BBW -- that trip through the village is one of the most intense coaster moments out there, and the ride isn't really going that fast or pulling heavy Gs. Then look at Iron Dragon -- structurally a very similar coaster but without the theming and claustrophobic village. Yet it feels much less intense. > Jay said that he feels this is a relatively recent phenomenon, and I agree with that to some extent. < The only other early example I can think of would be the Crystal Beach Cyclone. That was certainly designed as a thrill ride. The problem with that was no one wanted to ride it. It crossed that intensity line and was too much for the G.P.s to handle. But even that ride didn't have a "talking point." Maybe the nurse's station was its claim to fame. Maybe it was the steel structure. Perhaps the old scenic railways were one-trick ponies. When Thompson began enclosing and theming them, each would have specific scenery and that would be the draw. The ride experience itself didn't vary much. But I really don't think those rides parallel what's been going on in the amusement industry over the past fifteen years, possibly because mass marketing is also a more recent phenomenon. Jay --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 02 18:14:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18773 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 01:12:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24970 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 01:12:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903011236.24968.qmail@web53105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.249.71] by web53105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:12:36 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:12:36 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=EVT2ySpMHTjLSvs75Z2riQugKqrIhmLy3Wp7nERfyLoeDRCitycO X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting. I was right about the lift hill location. Ten points for me. :D It looks to be a more interesting layout than I first imagined. It looks like there's some interesting theming along the route. I'm actually looking forward to riding it. To me, a coaster is a giant puzzle that neatly fits together. The biggest piece of the puzzle is the distribution of potential energy built up from the lift hill. For some reason, I feel it's cheating to add a LIM partway through the ride, as if Stengel couldn't distribute the forces properly. I know that's not the case. The idea is to surprise the riders with a sudden boost of power. And I knew that eventually, with the growing use of LIMs, someone would design a coaster like that. After all, I've been doing it for years with No Limits. :-P This opens up an entirely new chapter in coaster design. Regardless of the lift height, a coaster ride can continue indefinitely...or at least until the park runs out of money. Jay --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 02 18:34:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54523 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 01:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 01:34:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 01:34:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 9886 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2006 01:34:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060903013412.9884.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.249.71] by web53102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:34:11 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:34:11 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=61jZNGH1cFzMEUbAkrwkmTu4y20qCjY74hYNWH_CmvvNfeVwPLx3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I remember back in the day when Colossus at SFMM was the king because it = was the biggest in the world for awhile. Look at The Beast... still the lon= gest woodie ever built I believe. < Yes, but "biggest" isn't a one-trick-pony. I think Magnum is the bellweath= er because it broke that mythical 200-foot-high barrier. And that fact alo= ne became its biggest selling point. There have always been "bigger" rolle= rcoasters throughout history, but the height wasn't as much of a draw IMO a= s with Magnum. > Lets not even stick with coasters... look at other rides like the Shoot t= he=20 Chutes / Tidal Waves. Up, turn, splash, done... it doesn't get more one=20 trick pony than that. < Yes, but those aren't coasters. Shoot the Chutes are expected to have the = layout of lift, turn, drop, splash. That's what they're made to do. But c= oasters are supposedly made to deliver a bigger variety of thrills. As for= those old Arrow shuttles, they were basically demo coasters that Arrow cra= nked out and definitely were one-trick-ponies. But they didn't get the med= ia attention Magnum got. > Go way way back now to the old days... the flip flap or whatever it was=20 call...a true one trick pony because it was the first to have a loop... < Yup. And the Cannon Coaster was the first to jump the track (until they di= scovered it didn't work). Yes there were novelties, but none that were as = heavily advertised to the G.P. =20 > They may have expanded to include more as the design went, but there is u= sually a key element I think that sparks the idea for the entire ride's des= ign. < Absolutely, unless you're simply designing a "good" coaster without the gim= micks. Gimmicks wear out really fast. PKD's Volcano was a gimmick, but it= 's also a fun ride. Flight of Fear was a gimmick and a great ride (with th= e lap bars). But my point was (I think...I'm getting a bit fuzzy now...) that Magnum was= the first to really exploit that gimmick and make it the reason to come to= the park. Flip-Flap was just another novelty at Coney Island, among the m= any odd things they had there. It was more like, "Come to Coney Island! W= e have the Flip-Flap!" That's as opposed to "Come ride the Magnum! It's a= t Cedar Point." Okay, I'm getting a bit tired so I'm just gonna shut up for the night. :-P Jay =20 =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates= starting at 1=A2/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 02 22:33:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94917 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 05:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 05:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 05:33:48 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k835Xkhl001814 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <06af01c6cf1a$8e26e1d0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060903011236.24968.qmail@web53105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:33:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=hUtY_UkJtMuvB2Edwi-P5RHv90oXexlNJlPf0T3s4QDC8OafD-22t9XJlg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > To me, a coaster is a giant puzzle that neatly fits together. The biggest > piece of the puzzle is the distribution of potential energy built up from > the lift hill. For some reason, I feel it's cheating to add a LIM partway > through the ride, as if Stengel couldn't distribute the forces properly. > > I know that's not the case. The idea is to surprise the riders with a > sudden boost of power. And I knew that eventually, with the growing use > of LIMs, someone would design a coaster like that. Actually I believe this was first done years ago, first in 1998 I believe on Volcano: The Blast Coaster. I guess this would be followed by Linear Gale in Japan (first Intamin Impulse) but that's just going through the same LIM/LSM zone over and over... not a separate booster zone. The next ride with a completely separate booster zone would have been in 2000 on Speed: The Ride in Las Vegas. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 06:11:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11690 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 13:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 13:10:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 13:10:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 13:08:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 13:08:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 13:08:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:08:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060903013412.9884.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.113 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 202.88.82.195 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=sqnKHnZth4W1-cXRO0d7EGP19elOEgA5d7a9K_B-7au6A7HNfw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote:=20 > Okay, I'm getting a bit tired so I'm just gonna shut up for the=20 night. :-P >=20 > Jay I can't believe you guys are STILL going at it on this topic! I'd=20 comment on Sheikra, but I haven't been on it, only Oblivion for B&M=20 Dive Machines. I really don't think that coasters in general are being=20 made forceless, but that enthusiasts are becoming numbed to the=20 sensations that are there as we seek more and more from the rides. 10=20 inversions? 128 mph launch? 47 seconds of negative g-s? It's getting=20 out of hand, and we as a community seem to be almost ungrateful to the=20 parks and manufacturers who bring us these ride experiences. Chris B From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Sep 03 06:52:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52856 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 13:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 13:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.234) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 13:42:11 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h28so1607314wxd for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.50.18 with SMTP id x18mr3738202wxx; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i18sm5246110wxd.2006.09.03.06.41.07; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:41:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:41:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcbPWp3puou9uVKnTUuVH6XvBFlyKAAAlUEg Message-ID: <44fadb74.67d5f86a.075d.361d@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=8LQWNNnb6biM96-PtKzgNSF4QwapiOInJlKwGnHpd9r3JOY X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I really don't think that coasters in general are being made forceless, but that enthusiasts are becoming numbed to the sensations that are there as we seek more >and more from the rides. 10 inversions? 128 mph launch? 47 seconds of negative g-s? The only thing is that 10 inversions and a 128 mph launch have nothing to do with force (f=ma). As for 47 seconds of negative g's, you can have a ride with a ton of negative g's and not really notice them. From a theoretical standpoint I don't really think just because a ride would have 47 seconds of airtime it is automatically good, it is all how those seconds are used and the amount. >It's getting out of hand, and we as a community seem to be almost ungrateful to the parks and manufacturers who bring us these ride experiences. Sorry, I have never felt like I owed Kernacs or Burke something special because they built Kingda Ka. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 03 11:59:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42169 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 18:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 18:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 18:54:23 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 18:53:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 18:53:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 18:53:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:53:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=YfZXmwyXj6aWxDo74zq0zdFNlh3Ek43UORnj5Y_6qo5MSBeCHSe4EcS7iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: >I really don't think that coasters in general are being=20 > made forceless, but that enthusiasts are becoming numbed to the=20 > sensations that are there as we seek more and more from the rides.=20 10=20 > inversions? 128 mph launch? 47 seconds of negative g-s? It's getting=20 > out of hand, and we as a community seem to be almost ungrateful to=20 the=20 > parks and manufacturers who bring us these ride experiences. which was more or less my point when nate was talking about pre/post- 1999 B&Ms, and his claim that they somehow became weaker after that=20 year. coasters havent on a whole become more or less forceful, its=20 just that the companies are making both, as they always have. i=20 completely agree we are getting spoiled, even though i apparently find=20 a lot more coasters forceful than nate does. fine by me-that means i=20 enjoy more of them.=20=20 From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Sun Sep 03 14:47:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90913 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc11.comcast.net) (206.18.177.53) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.38.95]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060903211048b13003hpcje>; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:10:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <52b6adf972a3a596835f50d2e696db8d@law.wnec.edu> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 17:10:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Originating-IP: 206.18.177.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Beware the robot martial artists! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=8OB2344Bfx7mRlSWw27P3AcXjvuS7UTqHW84w6YNKA1zV-3msaSL2g X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The big question is whether the mannequin robots will be forceless and/or intense. BEIJING, China (UPI) -- China plans a Bruce Lee martial-arts themed park complete with a rollercoaster that will make his signature screams and grunts. The Sunday Times of London reports the park will be patrolled by Bruce Lee 'mannequin robots,' radio-controlled from inside a giant statue of the late film star. Lee was born in San Francisco and his action movies, such as 'Enter the Dragon' and 'Fist of Fury' were banned in China, but now government authorities are seeking to cash in on his pop culture legacy. They are promoting Lee as the 'father of modern martial arts,' a sport that once dismissed the diminutive actor for his unconventional moves and trademark yells. The theme park will be built at Shunde, a town of canals and bamboo gardens northwest of Hong Kong, the bucolic area that Lee`s grandfather left in the late 19th century to begin a new life in the United States. Lee died suddenly of cerebral edema a month before 'Enter the Dragon' opened in 1973 at 32. He was buried in Seattle. Copyright 2006 by United Press International http://people.monstersandcritics.com/article_1197596.php/ China_plans_Bruce_Lee_amusement_park [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 03 16:16:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47779 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2006 23:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2006 23:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2006 23:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 23:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 23:11:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2006 23:11:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:11:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52b6adf972a3a596835f50d2e696db8d@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Beware the robot martial artists! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=mLeHDcnT7QGaae344nRC8yFy80ZWx4WKOWZTEujKyqciotliHnpo_RVY1A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs =20 wrote: > > The big question is whether the mannequin robots will be forceless=20=20 > and/or intense. >=20 > BEIJING, China (UPI) -- China plans a Bruce Lee martial-arts themed=20=20 > park complete with a rollercoaster that will make his signature=20 screams=20=20 > and grunts. well, if they put in one of intamin's launching coasters, im sure it=20 will scream and groan a lot each time it breaks down.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Sun Sep 03 18:15:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18816 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:12:59 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k841ClPo023796 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05df01c6cfbf$444da440$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:13:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=7m8TSrYcRJuZEmCEpMyO4Q8n6fEST5qp3we4m4DHEmE7QnIMveP1p9S6Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>which was more or less my point when nate was talking about pre/post- 1999 B&Ms, and his claim that they somehow became weaker after that year. << So what exactly happened around 1999 that caused them to back off on the g-forces? Did they start useing a new version of their design software that year that put tighter restrictions on then ride, though that would apply to just about every major coaster installation since virtually everything is designed by Stengel these days for B&M, Intamin, Gerstlauer, etc... I know this was around the time that BGT decided to tame Montu and add trim brakes before the batwing and kicked up the ammount of braking done on the mid-course. This pretty much neutered many fun elements of the ride, including the high g-force batwing. Perhaps this was when some new report was issues from that famous Doc Brown guy who used to go to parks and measure their G-forces and make recommendations about what was possibly too much. Anyone know for sure? From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 18:45:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56321 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:36:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 77253 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2006 01:36:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20060904013624.77251.qmail@web53103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.12.108] by web53103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:36:24 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:36:24 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=VZ7Hu9rEBCXAbuvjO0T9mr54nah6sAsMgdlTKwQXxwJW7oIPowUt X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Actually I believe this was first done years ago, first in 1998 I believ= e on=20 Volcano: The Blast Coaster. < Well, I view that coaster more like Knoebel's Twister -- a sectioned lift h= ill. On Volcano you get blasted into the first tunnel, turn a corner, then= get blasted up out of the volcano mouth. The rest of the ride is just coa= sting. > The next ride with a completely separate booster zone would have been in= =20 2000 on Speed: The Ride in Las Vegas. < I didn't realize this. I thought there was just one LIM. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger=92s low PC-to-Phone call ra= tes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coreyml03@yahoo.com Sun Sep 03 18:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coreyml03@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96544 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 01:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 01:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 01:41:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 01:38:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 01:38:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:38:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <06af01c6cf1a$8e26e1d0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.219.15.162 From: "corey" Subject: Re: Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161497135; y=O7ojPCmp9n3UZkr69Jpg9knonSjHSPfNNxpXNK-E1x7baPgw X-Yahoo-Profile: coreyml03 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" wrote: > > > To me, a coaster is a giant puzzle that neatly fits together. The biggest=20 > > piece of the puzzle is the distribution of potential energy built up from=20 > > the lift hill. For some reason, I feel it's cheating to add a LIM partway=20 > > through the ride, as if Stengel couldn't distribute the forces properly. > > > > I know that's not the case. The idea is to surprise the riders with a=20 > > sudden boost of power. And I knew that eventually, with the growing use=20 > > of LIMs, someone would design a coaster like that. i think that the train's gonna stop after that turn, as a block, then boost from 0-70 out of the tunnel From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Sep 03 20:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33487 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 03:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 03:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.235) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 03:44:06 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h31so2106305wxd for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.10 with SMTP id 10mr4783502wxu; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h18sm7412205wxd.2006.09.03.20.44.04; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:44:05 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:44:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <05df01c6cfbf$444da440$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Thread-Index: AcbPv7k7Q4MHHEwuR82vifwCK9Ko7wAE2ydg Message-ID: <44fba105.3a91e5da.57ae.ffffc464@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=lmzoJj3HJb3LYjGVHnMhw9tKUYqSOUENm32vuS2RDHykjOo X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "So what exactly happened around 1999 that caused them to back off on the g-forces? Did they start using a new version of their design software that year that put tighter restrictions on then ride, though that would apply to just about every major coaster installation since virtually everything is designed by Stengel these days for B&M, Intamin, Gerstlauer, etc..." Remember, for a lot of people Stengel does static and dynamic calcs., but not the actual layout design. I believe he and B&M have not worked together for a few years, I think he has done most of Intamin's work, but not some of the work on the Impulse coasters, and I know he doesn't modify the layout Gerstlauer submits unless he has to for structural reasons. "I know this was around the time that BGT decided to tame Montu and add trim brakes before the batwing and kicked up the amount of braking done on the mid-course. This pretty much neutered many fun elements of the ride, including the high g-force batwing. Perhaps this was when some new report was issues from that famous Doc Brown guy who used to go to parks and measure their G-forces and make recommendations about what was possibly too much." Yeah, this was the doc's great idea. Of course, for him any force different than 1 G from standing still is "too much". He basically made a business of putting acceleramotrs on rides and telling people how much they should slow down a ride. A lot of people stopped using him (I believe he died a year or two ago) but Busch used him to the end. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Mon Sep 04 05:46:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42460 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 12:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 12:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 12:43:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 12:43:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 12:43:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:43:01 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52b6adf972a3a596835f50d2e696db8d@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 195.171.40.130 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Beware the robot martial artists! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=LByn--JpQzMP9FXC6V2eNO0lMGsLHmFsLVCytwKXIzR6IyT18aNH9TA X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs =20 wrote: > > The Sunday Times of London reports the park will be patrolled by=20 Bruce=20=20 > Lee 'mannequin robots,' radio-controlled from inside a giant statue=20 of=20=20 > the late film star. >=20 And I thought blackpool and great yarmouth were tacky! From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 04 07:04:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61041 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 13:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 13:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 13:58:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 13:58:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2006 13:58:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:58:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44fba105.3a91e5da.57ae.ffffc464@mx.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.22 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=TOFzBKmitofQ4Nenb78eMwcAjfsr8__koCfR080GzOxC7idVycwwZRsxjA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Adam F. Sandy"=20 wrote: > Yeah, this was the doc's great idea. Of course, for him any force=20 different > than 1 G from standing still is "too much". He basically made a=20 business of > putting acceleramotrs on rides and telling people how much they=20 should slow > down a ride. A lot of people stopped using him (I believe he died=20 a year or > two ago) but Busch used him to the end. must have changed their minds, since i havent noticed it breaking=20 much these days, if at all. a few times it breaks a little, last few=20 times it doesnt catch at all(or at least its not noticeable).=20 ive always wondered why it changes from day to day though(not just=20 montu, but many coasters around the country). why do the trim brakes=20 vary from day to day?=20 From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Mon Sep 04 17:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5344 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 00:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 00:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.89) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 00:52:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 42345 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2006 00:52:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060905005201.42339.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:52:01 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:52:01 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Coaster Forces, I'm joining in the argument X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=q8unz5WJVinjklQgEF1xXa30NYshN-oEgheG1EexWCWpMgm0V9wW X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Quote: >>>>>which was more or less my point when nate was talking about pre/post- 1999 B&Ms, and his claim that they somehow became weaker after that year. First of all, Nate's opinions may vary slightly from others. Nate's a guy who isn't happy unless a coaster is ripping your legs off as you ride it. When I say I dont like the 0-G roll on Chiller because it feels less like zero G's than just whipping your body around ungracefully, he says "Yeah, it's better that way." Quote: >>>>coasters havent on a whole become more or less forceful, its just that the companies are making both, as they always have. i completely agree we are getting spoiled, even though i apparently find a lot more coasters forceful than nate does. I'd tend to agree with the "1999 Theory" but only to a point. Yeah, Batman is one of the more forcefull designs B+M created, but you shouldn't hold all the following inverts to that same standard. Don't forget that Raptor has some pretty good forces too, as did Montu before it was braked. The argument that it was "neutered" implies that it did. Remember that Batman is maybe a 45 second ride. The body can handle stronger G's in a 45 second period. The average park goer would not be able to stand Batman's forces over the amount of ride time of Alpengeist or Montu. Some other "Intense" coasters built after 1999. (My opinions only, so back off!) Superman's Ultimate Flight: Someone a few posts back called it forceless, but the Pretzel loop I think is about the most positive G's I've ever felt on a coaster. Sure the rest is forceless, but that's intentional. It's a flying coaster, do you really want g forces trying to pull you out of your harness towards the ground? Invertigos/Deja Vu: Both have strong g's in the cobra rolls. Any S+S launch and Intamin Rocket, including TTD and KK: Those launch forces are incredible, even if the rest of the ride isn't. People focus on TTD and KK as being one trick ponys, and they are. I don't care for them either, but tell me you aren't intimidated as you're sitting there waiting to be launched. S:ROS: I think we can all agree on this one. And you can all tear into me for this one if you want, but: Millineum Force: Sure, there may not be as much air as all the Cameron's of the world would like, but the pullout from the first drop all the way around the first turn is packed with G forces. Maybe not short periods of intense g's but a sustained period of lesser g's. I've had many rides where I've gotten tunnel vision coming around that first turn. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (5 days left...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kevindreyling@charter.net Mon Sep 04 18:00:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55157 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 00:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 00:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 00:56:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 00:56:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 00:56:44 -0000 X-Sender: kevindreyling@charter.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77518 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2006 19:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2006 19:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net) (209.225.28.230) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2006 19:56:11 -0000 Received: from mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.181]) by mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k84JssPf030758 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:54:54 -0400 Received: from 71-87-46-156.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com (HELO PC) ([71.87.46.156]) by mxip26a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Sep 2006 15:54:54 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,209,1154923200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1641030680:sNHT36839030" Message-ID: <001701c6d05c$013a6290$9c2e5747@PC> To: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:54:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 209.225.28.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273425678; y=AqTKNZsi8TNupPW1iEe6OcVNdEJgd3V_2FkStHDRr-_ghg X-Yahoo-Profile: pink_floydfanatic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 05 Sep 2006 00:56:43 -0000 What coaster has 47 seconds of negative gs? The 128 mph launch and the 10 inversions are real record. Voyage has the woodie record but maybe a B&M hyper has 47 seconds of airtime!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 04 18:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44450 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 01:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 01:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 01:03:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 01:02:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 01:02:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:01:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060905005201.42339.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Coaster Forces, I'm joining in the argument X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=MmFb7t9SrNdkTezxmJ18od3MH8_e0_8ZgBXJY1rqwMPYs2EK9mHip3PaTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, brian farral=20 wrote: > Superman's Ultimate Flight: Someone a few posts back > called it forceless,=20 nate again >but the Pretzel loop I think is > about the most positive G's I've ever felt on a > coaster. Sure the rest is forceless, but that's > intentional. It's a flying coaster, do you really > want g forces trying to pull you out of your harness > towards the ground? i completely agree. the pretzel loop is the only time ive ever=20 greyed out on a coaster. i definitely could not handle 45 seconds of=20 that.=20 but i agree tommy-when it comes to forces, its all a matter of=20 preference and perception. which is what started this arguement in=20 the first place.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Tue Sep 05 07:01:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61354 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 14:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 14:00:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 14:00:45 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k85DEpIS025812 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <078601c6d0ed$45fd90f0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <001701c6d05c$013a6290$9c2e5747@PC> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:14:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=j8MRj-b_01OQ1P63A5Z96glgCpZDZAp61YmcNFos81pLX_7xImSutGNEyw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > What coaster has 47 seconds of negative gs? The 128 mph launch and the 10 > inversions are real record. Voyage has the woodie record but maybe a B&M > hyper has 47 seconds of airtime!! It may have changed over the years since, but I thought I read once that Apollo's Chariot (BGW) was supposed to have the most seconds of airtime... From lance@screamscape.com Tue Sep 05 07:10:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48415 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 14:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 14:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 14:07:31 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k85DDpvi022241 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <077f01c6d0ed$228dc220$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060905005201.42339.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 09:13:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Forces, I'm joining in the argument X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=E55g0xWDlOvfCVreYsfXb7XqZGfTYemHtdRjHBHbKaf9-KWv21yltxnMJg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Superman's Ultimate Flight: Someone a few posts back > called it forceless, but the Pretzel loop I think is > about the most positive G's I've ever felt on a > coaster. I think the experience of the rider may vary depending on which Superman: Ultimate Flight version they ride. I've only been on the original SFOG version, but people I've talked to who have experienced it as well as the two copies (SFGAdv or SFGAm) have reported that they felt the clones were noticeably weaker in the Pretzel Loop area where the SFOG really shines. Can anyone here who may have experienced the SFOG and one of the later clones share their own opinions on the difference? > And you can all tear into me for this one if you want, > but: > > Millineum Force: Sure, there may not be as much air > as all the Cameron's of the world would like, but the > pullout from the first drop all the way around the > first turn is packed with G forces. I'm probably in the minority here, but I was not impressed with Millennium Force when I visited CP in 2003. To be fair I had ridden both Magnum and Dragster the night before (starlight entry) but when I cost MF for my first ride the next morning I was disapointed. The drop, the height are all they build it up to be but after the first turn... I just didn't care for the rest of the ride at all. I think all the hype around it just made me expect a little too much. My airtime bar was set high on Magnum the night before which was running smooth and like a bat out of hell. The bar was set high for the feeling of Speed category as well by my ride on Dragster the night before as well. So by the time I got to MF I was just not impressed with much of anything after the first drop. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 05 08:12:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54919 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 15:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 15:09:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 15:09:04 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so1914593uge for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr3686370ugl; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:06:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060905005201.42339.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Forces, I'm joining in the argument X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=_P3UNW_vzrjTkZ6EvkaCd8LUOTZqvRQdcShwnWz2EnhrFEHLgIqBZmE X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > First of all, Nate's opinions may vary slightly from > others. Nate's a guy who isn't happy unless a coaster > is ripping your legs off as you ride it. That's only true in a general sense. I like a lot of rides that don't have insane forces. But if you look at my top ten lists, they're mostly made of rides with a lot of airtime and/or a lot of positive g's. > I'd tend to agree with the "1999 Theory" but only to a > point. Yeah, Batman is one of the more forcefull > designs B+M created, but you shouldn't hold all the > following inverts to that same standard. Don't forget > that Raptor has some pretty good forces too, as did > Montu before it was braked. Both Raptor and Montu were built prior to 1999, as I'm sure you know. Batman is an incredibly intense ride, and while I rank that ride highly because of that, I don't expect that every ride will be (or could be) as forceful. So while not all B&M rides were as forceful as Batman prior to 1999, they *were* being built more forceful than they are now. > Some other "Intense" coasters built after 1999. (My > opinions only, so back off!) Except for S:UF, all of the rides you listed here were non-B&M coasters, and the "1999 theory" really only applies to B&M rides. Top Thrill Dragster aside, I think new Intamin coasters are just as forceful as the older ones. The Voyage is one of the most forceful wooden coasters I've ever experienced. There are still plenty of forceful coasters being constructed. B&M just seems to have given up on forces. > Invertigos/Deja Vu: Both have strong g's in the cobra > rolls. Disagreed here. The Deja Vu rides have almost *no* forces in the cobra rolls because the train literally crawls through that element. The rest of the ride is crazy forceful, though, so I'm probably nitpicking with you. :) > People focus on TTD and KK as > being one trick ponys, and they are. I don't care for > them either, but tell me you aren't intimidated as > you're sitting there waiting to be launched. Would you believe me if I told you I was intimidated? I thought TTD was a ridiculous ride. I exited that ride frowning and feeling as though I just wasted 45 minutes of my life. I didn't get it then, and I still don't get it. > Millineum Force: Sure, there may not be as much air > as all the Cameron's of the world would like, but the > pullout from the first drop all the way around the > first turn is packed with G forces. While I don't think Millennium Force is the most forceful ride out there, I do greatly enjoy it. I don't think the first drop is the greatest ever, but there is some nice airtime. And there are some nice forces in the first overbanked turn. It ranks #3 on my top ten list. > > Superman's Ultimate Flight: Someone a few posts back > > called it forceless, > nate again Nate also noted that the Pretzel loop is insanely forceful. It's just the rest of the ride that's weak. > but i agree tommy-when it comes to forces, its all a matter of > preference and perception. which is what started this arguement in > the first place. That's actually not even what he said. Did you really read his post? -Nate From cameron@buzzneon.com Tue Sep 05 09:16:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53292 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 16:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 16:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 16:15:48 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k85GFGol022383 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:15:16 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:15:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060905005201.42339.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060905005201.42339.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A0986E9-2B2F-49AC-9F67-4C39F39815F6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:15:11 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2006 16:15:15.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[7931BEB0:01C6D106] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Coaster Forces, I'm joining in the argument X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Dchkuy_kG3QNyt0oEoEl2Tre1wDsP8BoI01r2aCas_eH-QV9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Millineum Force: Sure, there may not be as much air > as all the Cameron's of the world would like, but the > pullout from the first drop all the way around the > first turn is packed with G forces. I have often said that the first turn is the highlight of the ride. However my reasons for disliking MF has nothing to do with forces .. I like many rides with little forces way more than I like Millennium Force (Whizzer and Hoosier Hurricane to name two). My problem with Millennium is that it just doesn't do anything .. there's no layout, no sense of speed or fun. Whizzer (in several places) feels far faster, and makes me feel far more vulnerable than Millennium does .. it has nothing to do with forces. Hoosier Hurricane is little more than a fast train ride, but it's one of my favorite coasters because of the location, layout and the way it interacts with the surroundings. Raven is infinitely less forceful than Voyage (less intense too), but I do prefer it (even though I consider both to be A+ rides). etc, etc, etc..! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** All the ducks are * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** swimming in the water * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Sep 05 12:46:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76115 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 19:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 19:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 19:42:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 19:42:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 19:42:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:42:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Coaster Forces, I'm joining in the argument X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=tXMgxjsQoBE0VCUaeMXwR6Y1M6SeiiCqkkYxR45YN4y3zdoe2foiUZAo1A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > > but i agree tommy-when it comes to forces, its all a matter of > > preference and perception. which is what started this arguement in > > the first place. >=20 > That's actually not even what he said. Did you really read his post? yeah he said "First of all, Nate's opinions may vary slightly from others. Nate's a guy who isn't happy unless a coaster is ripping your legs off as you ride it". how is that different from=20 what i said about preference and perception?=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Sep 05 13:07:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38679 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 20:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 20:07:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.168) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 20:07:41 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so2363614ugc for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr3892121ugm; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 15:07:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Coaster Forces, I'm joining in the argument X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=8JPdRkSQGVjrj4PwKBXIimnrldRn9DPSG9Pcky-c7bU5UnVqwBAHTwo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > yeah he said "First of all, Nate's opinions may vary slightly from > others. Nate's a guy who isn't happy unless a coaster > is ripping your legs off as you ride it". how is that different from > what i said about preference and perception? Because that wasn't even related to the discussion of why B&M coasters may be being built "forceless" (post-1999). It was a fleeting comment that explained why this issue concerns me...but nothing more. The rest of his post basically backed up everything I had said about the taming of B&M rides. -Nate From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Sep 05 14:42:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6685 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 21:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 21:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.51) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 21:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 95447 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2006 21:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060905214227.95444.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.231.131] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:42:27 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Six Flags finds staff overseas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=2sCMCvyleEXOcuoD7solOm0mYCKMWc3DM5789cTAfhMhT-loYXTR X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's odd that this fairly uninformative article made the front page of our paper. Conveniently omitted in this story is the large number of international workers who abandoned Six Flags in past years and the few who tried to sue over unkept promises by the company and excessively harsh working conditions. > http://www.masslive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1157442792318020.xml?nnts < Jay --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Sep 05 14:53:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38361 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 21:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53102.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.52) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 21:53:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 18146 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2006 21:53:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060905215327.18144.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.231.131] by web53102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:53:27 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 14:53:27 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: Re: NEWS: Busch Gardens Europe... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=x7e5OaFgMyMjREjnB_fPndxKyl8WmuNW_-SD3YegKeG1BlSWB6bZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > It may have changed over the years since, but I thought I read once that= =20 Apollo's Chariot (BGW) was supposed to have the most seconds of airtime...= < As much as I like AC, I can't imagine that's the case. SFNE's SROS seems t= o deliver far more. But maybe overall, for sustaining the air time, AC act= ually is king. Those two abrupt changes of direction are insane! MF really should have beaten them all, but alas....=20=20 Jay =20 =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates= starting at 1=A2/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Sep 05 16:03:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28402 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2006 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2006 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2006 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 23:00:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 23:00:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2006 23:00:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:00:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060905214227.95444.qmail@web53101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags finds staff overseas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=ZPC16-L4TDMLkMN2bXm0u3oH0Q0oYrGG_yoIPs_OZGJfbxiJB_y_ X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme=20 wrote: > > Conveniently omitted in this story is the large number of=20 > international workers who abandoned Six Flags in past years and=20 > the few who tried to sue over unkept promises by the company and=20 > excessively harsh working conditions. Yeah, if you thought American teenagers were easy workers to exploit,=20 how about Bulgarian teenagers with even less familiarity with U.S.=20 working standards? Remember it was an international worker who got=20 killed by Scream! at SFMM; I wonder how much of the safety training=20 makes its way across language and cultural filters. All in all I'm=20 sure there are some pleasant cultural-exchange aspects of the program,=20 but I have to think there's a down side to this program that the=20 writer didn't delve into. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Sep 05 17:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58226 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 00:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 00:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 00:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:06:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:06:06 -0000 Date: 6 Sep 2006 00:06:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1157501165.318.24501.w104@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: COASTER BATTLE: Which coaster do you like better (these two are at Islands of Adventure in Orlando, FL)? o Ice Dragon o Fire Dragon o I have not ridden these coasters To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=2323599 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Sep 05 17:13:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24207 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 00:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 00:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 00:13:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Date: 6 Sep 2006 00:11:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1157501518.111.24997.w104@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: COASTER BATTLE: Incredible Hulk (Islands of Adventure) vs. Superman Ride of Steel (Six Flags New England) Which do you like better? o Incredible Hulk o Superman Ride of Steel o I have not ridden these coasters To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=2323600 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Tue Sep 05 17:23:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8415 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 00:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 00:22:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.174) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 00:22:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:22:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:22:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:22:14 -0000 Date: 6 Sep 2006 00:22:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1157502133.220.50660.w110@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the RollerCoasterTalk group: What is the best amusement/thrill park in the United States? o Six Flags Magic Mountain o Cedar Point o Six Flags Great Adventure o Universal's Islands of Adventure o Busch Gardens (Tampa Bay) o Busch Gardens (Williamsburg) o Knott's Berry Farm o Six Flags Over Georgia o Paramount's Kings Island o Lake Compounce o Universal Studios (Orlando, FL) o Other To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/surveys?id=2323608 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Sep 05 17:37:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59773 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 00:37:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:37:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 00:37:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:37:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1157501518.111.24997.w104@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=JZzAf287oJVMmdgpGQXhgg7kpyvKhdbaoOvOF-ROWw_Lq6EAvACuIWCZag X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com,=20 RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >=20 > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the=20 > RollerCoasterTalk group: >=20 > COASTER BATTLE: Incredible Hulk (Islands of Adventure) vs. Superman=20 Ride of Steel (Six Flags New England) >=20 > Which do you like better?=20 hehehe...gee, wonder how this one will turn out? is there even a point=20 of debate here?? From lance@screamscape.com Tue Sep 05 21:53:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 172 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 04:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 04:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 04:52:59 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k86330or008996 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2006 23:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <028301c6d160$f7a418b0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 23:03:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags finds staff overseas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=SA1qWtHLTNzdnYSLPl44AXluVcLmqBe3inJ3ZA9oWeuvdP4mFzwZWSsskA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance This is also nothing new to anyone in the Orlando area where the parks there (mostly Disney and Universal) have been using international program workers quite extensively for years. There are up sides and down sides to this situation, and every so often you read stories that point them out. Not too long ago something came out on the negative side this summer from some workers trapped into working for Universal. It wasn't Universal's fault, but the company/group who Universal used who put too many people in a house together and charged them rent that was out of this world so that the employees had almost no money left to eat with when they were off work. I think there was another negative one a year or two ago about some African workers who were hired to work at Animal Kingdom who were upset about the working and living conditions not being anything near what they were promised. ----- Original Message ----- From: "adamnvillani" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags finds staff overseas --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jay Ducharme wrote: > > Conveniently omitted in this story is the large number of > international workers who abandoned Six Flags in past years and > the few who tried to sue over unkept promises by the company and > excessively harsh working conditions. Yeah, if you thought American teenagers were easy workers to exploit, how about Bulgarian teenagers with even less familiarity with U.S. working standards? Remember it was an international worker who got killed by Scream! at SFMM; I wonder how much of the safety training makes its way across language and cultural filters. All in all I'm sure there are some pleasant cultural-exchange aspects of the program, but I have to think there's a down side to this program that the writer didn't delve into. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Wed Sep 06 06:46:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77282 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 13:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 13:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 13:43:41 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so2603181ugf for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.7 with SMTP id f7mr4380718ugm; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:41:39 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <028301c6d160$f7a418b0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <028301c6d160$f7a418b0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags finds staff overseas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=ed8eGLr765iLS6HEgQHvvzFTEqotGVD8V1SB9TFjFSewUWLlBSs4gFs X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This is also nothing new to anyone in the Orlando area where the parks there > (mostly Disney and Universal) have been using international program workers > quite extensively for years. This shouldn't really be news for anyone; most of the major parks in this country have international employee programs. Most treat their employees well, but sometimes a park or two does not. And that's really unfortunate, because people I know who have worked with these programs have said the vast majority of international employees are hard working and very dedicated to the program. And most parks would be majorly screwed without them, especially in the early and late summer when there's not an overabundance of young people to work." -Nate From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Sep 06 13:28:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55430 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 20:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 20:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.90) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 20:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 73871 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 20:18:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060906201819.73869.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:18:19 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: brian farral Subject: Airtime on AC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=vTN6t6mxGDij5iM_l_sd6ITh01s4_jyNayI2pqDbuY2veUXafc0h X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck This was originally one post, but I decided to split it up to allow breathing room for the extended rant in my next post. > It may have changed over the years since, but I >thought I read once that Apollo's Chariot (BGW) was >supposed to have the most seconds of airtime... < When I was there in 2002, AC was billed as having the greatest amount of vertical dropage, at something like 800 feet. That number could be off, but that's what they were saying. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (Big trip starts tomorrow night...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Wed Sep 06 13:56:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18789 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 20:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 20:44:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.87) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 20:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 44655 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2006 20:43:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.233.227.87] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:43:36 PDT Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:43:36 -0700 (PDT) To: coastertalk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.87 From: brian farral Subject: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=dZKJoZDKcoWMnX_8zojJUmViBMyKmUHJkxqfpH-lf2_oVwmj4O6H X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck >MF really should have beaten them all, but alas.... >Jay ...but alas, since they already had an airtime coaster, they decided it would be foolish to repeat themselves by simply building a larger version of Magnum. Therefore they built something completely different with many elements that did not exist at Cedar Point already. These include a near vertical drop, overbanked turns, and speed elements. With just the right amount of airtime thrown in for balance. Is that what you meant to say? Let's take a step back here and really look at MF for a second. Here's a breakdown of it's "elements" 4 Overbanked Turns 4 Airtime: 1st drop, middle hills, station camelback 5 low to ground speed 2 tunnels Now doesn't that sound like a nice, even balance of elements? A little something for everyone mixed together in a different order so as not to be repetetive? I'm so effing sick of everyone crying about the lack of air on MF. IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE AN AIRTIME COASTER! Get that through your patch jackets people. If it was, they would have just built Steel Dragon 2000 on the other side of the park from Magnum. That would look pretty stupid wouldn't it? Maybe when they do decide to go for the rumored 500 foot mark they should just build a larger version of Dragster, except put it up front after they sell Demon Drop. Makes perfect sense according to that logic. While I'm at it, let's just see what would happen in this perfect world where height = equal airtime... In Wooden coasters: The Beast would have the most airtime (2 lifts with drops of 135 and 141ft) and Son of Beast would be second. The Rattler and Mean Streak would have the same amount of air as the Voyage, El Toro and Colosos (the German one) ...And the Phoenix, Comet, and Raven would totally suck ass. In Steel coasters: The all time airtime record holders for airtime would be Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From serpmage@juno.com Wed Sep 06 14:38:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30728 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 21:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 21:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 21:38:31 -0000 Received: from webmail52.lax.untd.com (webmail52.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.192]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCR8RP7AVP8DGA for (sender ); Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAGNgKLxvNCKS+AzSfUA1ex/neQ3konjx+w== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail52.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LZL7K6LT; Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:28:42 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail52.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:28:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:28:07 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060906.142842.28262.876880@webmail52.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 22:11:621036642 X-MAIL-INFO:456f671b47232b47020223bf2bbf4a6eee574e1eceae27a71757eeba7b5feb4727 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.192|webmail52.lax.untd.com|webmail52.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=Xrr0Vu11c7MzMG5bLbfH4JHo5VONcO_7btS-YcbfsX8t9By5TA X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr >I'm so effing sick of everyone crying about the lack >of air on MF. IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE AN AIRTIME >COASTER! Get that through your patch jackets people.=20 >If it was, they would have just built Steel Dragon >2000 on the other side of the park from Magnum. That >would look pretty stupid wouldn't it? Amen brother! For the last week, the discussion has generally=20 focused on what kind and how many forces does it take to define a=20 good coaster. The fact of the matter is that for the average theme=20 park goer, they don't give a rat's ... about whether or not this=20 coaster pulls 1 or 15 G's, what they care about is whether or not the=20 ride is entertaining.=20=20 Some rides do this with continually beating the heck out of you, some=20 suck your brain through your toes, and some go the entire ride=20 makeing you think you are going to be thrown out of the car or have=20 your head cut off by the other piece of track above you. Then there=20 are the much more creative rides that entertain people by actually=20 adding thematic elements or by creatively and safely exposing them to=20 situations that the average person would consider dangerous, such as=20 hanging you over a 200 ft cliff, or shooting a fireball at you,=20 giving you the sensation of free flight, or simply adding another=20 train of people for you to interact with.=20=20 There's generally a whole lot more thought and creativity that goes=20 into the second category of rides than those that just get put up on=20 a cement slab and just advertize a bunch of stats. Think how boring=20 Gemini is when they are only running one train, and how much of the=20 experience is lost on Dueling Dragons when they don't race. The last=20 part of Alpengeist would be a complete snooze fest except that they=20 actually built the terrain up and around it.=20=20 Then there are some rides that manage to pull off a good mix of=20 thematic interest and Nate's touted intensity. Kraken has the first=20 half like the majority of Cedar Point's parking lot coasters with=20 lots of intensity, but the second half where the physical forces are=20 significantly less, they add in terrain to keep things interesting,=20 that's the biggest place where Hulk failed, they put all the forces=20 and theming together in the first half, then give you a small field=20 with nothing to look at in the second half where things slow down a=20 bit, eventhough the layout is almost identical to Kumba's second=20 half, even if they really slow Kumba's second half down in the=20 future, it will still be interesting because there is a lot of things=20 to look at and keep you interested in the last block. When you go to define a "good" coaster you really need to think a lot=20 beyond the "does it make me black out?" question. In general, you're=20 average park goer does not want to have to worry about whether or not=20 their heart is going to give out on them, which, I would venture a=20 guess, is why BEC has not been installing insane G machines, but=20 rather rides that everyone who walks through the gate and will fit=20 into the restraints will be able to ride. That's why all of their=20 parks are reffered to as a Theme Park, and a Family Park, and not a=20 Thrill Park or Amusement Park, which brings the conversation full=20 circle from the very original debate about whether or not Griffon is=20 going to be a "good" coaster. ~Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From chamomile1800@yahoo.com Wed Sep 06 14:54:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: chamomile1800@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17867 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 21:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 21:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 21:54:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 21:53:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2006 21:53:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:53:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.44.164.165 From: "chamomile1800" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=248622199; y=sexncK-uZ94t7R4RUtfJeHvv_HDiLb_lSlIiZA2fRvZ8p-DaxUaH5g X-Yahoo-Profile: chamomile1800 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com,=20 > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > >=20 > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the=20 > > RollerCoasterTalk group: > >=20 > > COASTER BATTLE: Incredible Hulk (Islands of Adventure) vs.=20 Superman=20 > Ride of Steel (Six Flags New England) > >=20 > > Which do you like better?=20 >=20 >=20 > hehehe...gee, wonder how this one will turn out? is there even a=20 point=20 > of debate here?? > LOL that's what I was thinking, but one a roller coaster site their=20 was a similar poll and the results were split nearly half and half,=20 i think a 47 and 53 percent split. So I think some people prefer the=20 loops and high acceleration into the sky over the dips and twists of=20 ride of steel. I was just interested if the hulk could actually pull=20 out over the ride of steel in this poll, since it was so close in=20 the other one. I myself voted for superman ride of steel, but i=20 think some others will choose the other. From jzerkel@consolidated.net Wed Sep 06 19:29:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzerkel@consolidated.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56660 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2006 17:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Sep 2006 17:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO email02.consolidated.net) (216.176.95.173) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2006 17:47:54 -0000 Received: from PC (client-216-176-76-53.consolidated.net [216.176.76.53]) by email02.consolidated.net (MOS 3.7.5-GA) with SMTP id IAY93036; Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000a01c6d1db$e88f8280$6401a8c0@MyDomain> To: "RollerCoaster Talk" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:43:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/90, host=email02.consolidated.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090201.44FF07A9.008E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=216.176.76.53, so=2006-03-30 10:46:40, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 X-Originating-IP: 216.176.95.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zerkel" Reply-To: "Jon Zerkel" Subject: HW announces additions for 07 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=158580138; y=FZZbrbWpNpBC8f2_Cb01m0AR5nvmMbsrRta1a06ze3RlBXuB X-Yahoo-Profile: jzerkel68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Thought you might be interested to read about HW's announcement for '07. They're adding another family water slide called "Bakuli" (basically sounds like another Zinga, but with a 'bowl' instead of a funnel) and also a turkey-themed tilt-a-whirl. Here's the link: http://www.holidayworld.com/new2007.html Also, they said that Plymouth Rock Cafe will *finally* open for the 07 season. Wasn't it SUPPOSED to be open this year? Does anybody here know what was up with that? Jon Z (Zerkel, not Zucker) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Sep 06 23:28:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4649 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 06:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 06:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 06:28:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 06:27:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 06:27:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:27:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=t6BnV3NKFki77yb33p3veThluh-8luLk0TujD5rCXhE8Rqd_FQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > 4 Overbanked Turns > 4 Airtime: 1st drop, middle hills, station camelback > 5 low to ground speed > 2 tunnels=20 While I agree with you on all of what you mentioned about it NOT being an a= irtime coaster=20 , I do have to say it's odd similar it is to S:ROS at SFNE (as far as over = banked, a few less=20 ground turns ... the tunnels and what not.... but yet it has as much Air in= it the whole=20 coaster, as S:ROS has on it's first two hills...... both good coasters , bo= th similar=20 designed ... but yet so different. > I'm so effing sick of everyone crying about the lack > of air on MF. IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE AN AIRTIME > COASTER! Get that through your patch jackets people.=20 > If it was, they would have just built Steel Dragon > 2000 on the other side of the park from Magnum. That > would look pretty stupid wouldn't it? Yes it would be stupid, so would a 200+ ft tall impulse , but it takes up a= small footprint=20 and can up the coaster count while doing so. It's a shame that we're the on= ly two people=20 who like that ride who visit the Point! > Maybe when they do decide to go for the rumored 500 > foot mark they should just build a larger version of > Dragster, except put it up front after they sell Demon > Drop. Makes perfect sense according to that logic. >=20 > While I'm at it, let's just see what would happen in > this perfect world where height =3D equal airtime... >=20 > In Wooden coasters: >=20 > The Beast would have the most airtime (2 lifts with > drops of 135 and 141ft) and Son of Beast would be > second. The Rattler and Mean Streak would have the > same amount of air as the Voyage, El Toro and Colosos > (the German one) Actually, isn't SoB taller than the Beast? >=20 > ...And the Phoenix, Comet, and Raven would totally > suck ass.=20 And you thought I stopped reading the list right? Cause honestly that is th= e one thing we=20 agree on (except you're only kidding and proving a point, while I on the ot= her hand believe=20 that all three coasters are boring and retarded) So for once, I AGREE! Hey = Nate, write that=20 down! haha > In Steel coasters: >=20 > The all time airtime record holders for airtime would > be Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster. King of Airtime , we all know isn't true. King of waisted money and space .... some would agree King of Unreliability .... there we have it! Something even Cameron, Jeremy= and all John's=20 whose last names begin w/ Z's can agree on!!!! >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. Progressive Insurance..... Jeremy D. From frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca Thu Sep 07 04:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: frederic.bastien@umontreal.ca X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90279 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 11:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 11:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 11:54:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 11:54:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 11:54:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:54:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 132.204.108.116 From: "bastienfred" Subject: NEWS: Maverick - A 17th roller coaster at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157042870; y=zDXNNt0eW0ec6i0UHZHDpfmA7yHAABy3P2WDXNLe6rD84sXDj5Y X-Yahoo-Profile: bastienfred The Old West Was Never This Wild!=20 CEDAR POINT ANNOUNCES DETAILS ON NEW ROLLER COASTER;=20 MAVERICK WILL RUSTLE UP RIDERS IN 2007 SANDUSKY, Ohio, 2006 =96 Cedar Point will take guests to a new frontier=20 in 2007. The historic amusement park/resort has announced plans for a=20 new roller coaster for next summer named Maverick. Located in=20 Frontiertown, Maverick will treat riders to multiple terrain-hugging=20 elements that have never been experienced on a Cedar Point roller=20 coaster.=20 Guests will begin their adventurous journey on Maverick by boarding=20 steam-era-styled coaster trains with an ultra-sleek profile that will=20 carry them along the 4,450-foot-long course. Linear synchronous=20 motors will propel the train to the top of a 105-foot-tall first=20 hill. From there, it's not straight down =96 it's more than straight=20 down! Maverick will take its passengers down to Earth at an=20 astonishing 95-degree angle at speeds of up to 57 mph to within five=20 feet above the ground! From there, the train will hug the terrain as=20 it twists and banks around hairpin turns with quick but smooth=20 changes in direction. Throughout the 2-minute, 30-second ride,=20 passengers will also experience eight "airtime-filled hills," three=20 inversions and a second launch through a dark tunnel that will leave=20 them in awe as they reach speeds of 70 mph!=20 Situated on 5.5 acres between the Mean Streak roller coaster and=20 Thunder Canyon water ride, Maverick will be Cedar Point's 17th=20 coaster, more scream machines than any park in the world. Maverick=20 will cost approximately $21 million to build, making it one of the=20 single largest investments in the park's 137-year history.=20 "Maverick represents a new brand of roller coaster," said John=20 Hildebrandt, vice president and general manager of Cedar Point. "It=20 is only right that it be built at the Roller Coaster Capital of the=20 World =96 Cedar Point."=20 At the end of the 2005 season, the former White Water Landing ride=20 was demolished and removed from the park =96 although the ride's=20 station remained for use with Maverick's queue line. Throughout the=20 winter and spring of 2006, construction crews prepared and poured=20 footers for Maverick, even before the park opened for the season.=20 Speculation grew throughout the summer as to what Cedar Point was=20 planning for the future. Up until this time, "On-Point!" =96 the=20 official Cedar Point online web log, has only teased the public and=20 worldwide audience of coaster enthusiasts about the latest happenings=20 at the site. Guests who crave fun and excitement can ride Maverick when Cedar=20 Point opens for the 2007 season in May. (Guests must be at least 48=20 inches tall to ride.) "As a coaster enthusiast, I can't wait to ride Maverick," stated=20 Carole Sanderson, president of American Coaster Enthusiasts, a=20 worldwide club of coaster enthusiasts. "I believe Maverick will=20 delight its riders with many surprising elements, including its=20 compact layout and staggered launches." Guests will be able to follow the construction progress of Maverick=20 at the park's Web site, www.cedarpoint.com. Exclusive=20 webcams, "OnPoint!" and the FUNtimes newsletter will help keep thrill- seekers up-to-date on the happenings at the ride site throughout the=20 construction process.=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 07 06:22:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54625 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 13:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 13:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 13:22:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8460 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 13:21:41 -0000 Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Sep 2006 13:21:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <83066424-11F8-41AF-BC0C-0A348E07B5EF@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:21:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=4W5bSpUi3tpFy2_qE4Vmb95-Y1uD_i0dXuzHAx8ed4YS0fmp X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon I'm sure Brian's little tirade was aimed at me, because I dared to say that Millennium Force isn't a good layout .. which is odd, because in the same post I also said that airtime isn't everything and some of my favorite coasters don't have any airtime at all. Oh well .. I'll reply, even though I know it'll fall on deaf ears. God Forbid someone doesn't like a Cedar Point coaster (an Intamin coaster at that!). > These include a near vertical drop A drop that is only near vertical for about 3 inches of it's 300 foot length. Why? Because for some reason it has an insanely large pullover. This bad first drop, coupled with the stupid fast lift hill, makes the coaster seem less than half as tall than it really is. > Let's take a step back here and really look at MF for > a second. Here's a breakdown of it's "elements" > > 4 Overbanked Turns The first over banked turn is great (I mentioned that in another post), but the rest are pointless. Most of them are so high up and so slow that they're completely ineffective. The higher above the ground you are, the slower it feels. It's like on a plane .. when you're at 30,000 feet if looks/feels like you're hardly moving ... but 5 seconds before landing it seems like you're going really fast (when really you're moving relatively slowly). For the record, I dislike the high turns on Raging Bull for the same reason. > 4 Airtime: 1st drop, middle hills, station camelback The airtime on all four hills is almost non-existent. You said it yourself, it's not an airtime machine. If you're going to put hills on such a tall/fast coaster, then the hills need to deliver. If you don't want airtime, then don't have hills. As it is now, the kills on Millennium Force are just sort of pathetic. > 5 low to ground speed > 2 tunnels Two of the the "low to ground speed" moments are in tunnels .. so the effect is wasted. So in a 300 foot tall coaster we have 3 fun elements .. the first over banked turn, and two non-tunnel low to ground elements. And you're saying that's a good layout?! Whizzer at Six Flags Great America is 70 feet tall, and has a much more interesting layout featuring two ground hugging turns, a helix, a fun lift, trees, water, etc. (No airtime or positive Gs, though). I'll admit that I rag on Cedar Fair probably more than they deserve, but Millennium Force is just not a good use of the height or speed. If it's good enough for you, then fine. But there's so much more they could have (and should have) done. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 07 06:23:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70998 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 13:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 13:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.7) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 13:23:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 12834 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 13:23:01 -0000 Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Sep 2006 13:23:01 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <457F49D1-96C0-4F85-BE78-2F2508594D36@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:22:53 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Maverick - A 17th roller coaster at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=pm8eav01ZHUMUjtzlU3XS6rLwfkcAECy3JVFVuoSiTj_gz3q X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon This looks like it could be pretty fun. Hopefully it'll have real lap- bars, and not those horrid (painful) backpack-straps Intamin insists on using! Cameron. On Sep 7, 2006, at 6:54 AM, bastienfred wrote: > The Old West Was Never This Wild! > CEDAR POINT ANNOUNCES DETAILS ON NEW ROLLER COASTER; > MAVERICK WILL RUSTLE UP RIDERS IN 2007 -- Cameron Silver: ** No, No.. * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** I'm doing the sauce! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Sep 07 06:45:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44950 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 13:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 13:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 13:43:17 -0000 X-JTAN-Outgoing-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Outgoing-To: X-JTAN-Received: thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138] X-JTAN-Recipient: X-JTAN-AntiSPAM: not spam, Outgoing not scanned X-JTAN-AntiVirus: Found to be clean, Outgoing not scanned Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k87DVttF011276 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:31:56 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:31:55 -0400 Message-ID: <008c01c6d281$fcb7dcc0$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbSgNSIslZj14BPSHOd3KSUCXY3igAAQUZQ In-Reply-To: <457F49D1-96C0-4F85-BE78-2F2508594D36@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Maverick - A 17th roller coaster at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=qd4c-AijGOsNXL7cW1tFouvBrPGaiU5k4ECvbtUClWz6Vvg X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 I think we're getting saddled with the shoulder straps. They're not horrid on Storm Runner, so I'm not too worried, but I WOULD vastly prefer the Dragster style lapbar... --Greg From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Sep 07 07:31:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10464 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 14:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 14:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.239) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 14:21:16 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so285176wxc for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.33.10 with SMTP id g10mr726259wxg; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.98.3 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0609070719u61f304a9xab1e2632ed8c950f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:19:12 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <457F49D1-96C0-4F85-BE78-2F2508594D36@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <457F49D1-96C0-4F85-BE78-2F2508594D36@buzzneon.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.239 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Maverick - A 17th roller coaster at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=NKYScvZK7aW1mnxfugqtl7596IgclcXi9Q_IaikKUBSrQKs X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it will have the OTSR's on it. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 07:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31471 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54207.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 14:41:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 93005 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2006 14:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20060907144101.93003.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.29] by web54207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:41:00 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:41:00 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <165816ef0609070719u61f304a9xab1e2632ed8c950f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Maverick - A 17th roller coaster at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=3aTd3rCDThTQQrM0S6GrH1yGMlSvKpAHuQAyACAjNNyGfY1F0iMlRIR04VyngZBg X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It does have OSTR's on it. see www.mavrick.cedarpoint.com You can find out alot about the nes coaster on this site. Adam Sandy wrote: I think it will have the OTSR's on it. Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 07 09:46:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96438 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 16:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 16:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 16:46:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 16:44:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 16:44:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:44:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: New poll for RollerCoasterTalk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=nJDQEoUYn1__rvFTdMarptbEQx0pl7-EqGfenGLmgOyGCmPCTtrOIcsNCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "chamomile1800"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 > wrote: > > > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com,=20 > > RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > >=20 > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the=20 > > > RollerCoasterTalk group: > > >=20 > > > COASTER BATTLE: Incredible Hulk (Islands of Adventure) vs.=20 > Superman=20 > > Ride of Steel (Six Flags New England) > > >=20 > > > Which do you like better?=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > hehehe...gee, wonder how this one will turn out? is there even a=20 > point=20 > > of debate here?? > > >=20 > LOL that's what I was thinking, but one a roller coaster site=20 their=20 > was a similar poll and the results were split nearly half and=20 half,=20 > i think a 47 and 53 percent split. So I think some people prefer=20 the=20 > loops and high acceleration into the sky over the dips and twists=20 of=20 > ride of steel. I was just interested if the hulk could actually=20 pull=20 > out over the ride of steel in this poll, since it was so close in=20 > the other one. I myself voted for superman ride of steel, but i=20 > think some others will choose the other. > i can appreciate to an extent how they could tie-more people go to=20 orlando FL than springfield MA for one, so probably more have ridden=20 Hulk. also the themeing and station on Hulk blows Superman away, no=20 question. and superman has had a lot of downtime and problems, which=20 might have pissed some people off. and yeah obviously its got=20 inversions and if you are more into that than Superman's not gonna=20 do much for you. but hell, i love inversions and i still voted for=20 Superman.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 07 10:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82958 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 17:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 17:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 17:25:56 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k87EPNQ5013930 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01f101c6d289$78570840$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <008c01c6d281$fcb7dcc0$0600a8c0@raven> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:25:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Maverick - A 17th roller coaster at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=uoCDx7jM2N2G_qJfptSWqFVZLKjG9KkqQia67LgCdCdAZURPVcp9cQZlkw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >I think we're getting saddled with the shoulder straps. They're not horrid > on Storm Runner, so I'm not too worried, but I WOULD vastly prefer the > Dragster style lapbar... So they use any kind of Seat Belt on those kind of restraints? I'm a bigger guy and I remember the belts being a tight squeeze on Dragster and Millennium Force last time I was there, so I'm just wondering how well these new style OTS fit the bigger folks. From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 07 10:29:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75445 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 17:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 17:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 17:27:25 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k87ELPJ5023157 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01de01c6d288$eadcec50$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <83066424-11F8-41AF-BC0C-0A348E07B5EF@buzzneon.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:21:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=zrmAUkpx95MLpP7XIoCofDFqHhyJaif0KhrYKeYnOulJfqUpw_CpPkLZXA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > A drop that is only near vertical for about 3 inches of it's 300 foot > length. Why? Because for some reason it has an insanely large > pullover. This bad first drop, coupled with the stupid fast lift > hill, makes the coaster seem less than half as tall than it really is. I'm going to disagree here... I found that I liked the Fast lift hill. It was almost intimidating in the way that MF goes up far more quickly than you are used to on other coasters, combined with the extreme height and lack of a safety staircase, I almost felt insecure, like I was going up too fast and felt a little panic at the idea... because the top of the hill was coming quick... almost too quick to prepare for it. So overall, the lift itself was almost an adrenalin rush of panic... From mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 10:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: mathew_mcguire@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91497 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 17:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 17:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 17:36:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 17:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 17:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 17:35:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:35:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.41.206.222 From: "Matt" Subject: Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=230130204; y=usc2jpN3q4ZI44Sp1BdCKJ7yfgiWP6b3us9OKdYQQSWyBTizs8srdXA X-Yahoo-Profile: mathew_mcguire This baby looks awesome. Just watched the POV video on Cedar Point's=20 email on the Maverick and wow I am excited about this one. I will=20 definetly be getting season passes for next year! I think this=20 coaster has a lot of potential and I'm glad they have some theming=20 with it. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 11:15:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82421 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 18:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 18:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 18:15:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 18:14:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 18:14:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:14:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83066424-11F8-41AF-BC0C-0A348E07B5EF@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=yxrpkhyU2WhP0jEadfnePQ4olZU_FGXlEzkGjWJEXXDiPVJe1-b- X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > I'm sure Brian's little tirade was aimed at me, because I dared to=20 say that Millennium Force isn't a good layout ..=20 No, it was aimed at anyone and everyone who ever blasts MF for not=20 being "the supreme airtime machine it was supposed to have been." I=20 do tend to use you as an example of the extreme anti-CP guy, but=20 hey, you asked for it.=20=20=20 > which is odd,=20=20 > because in the same post I also said that airtime isn't=20 >everything and some of my favorite coasters don't have any airtime=20 >at all.=20 Exactly... I pay attention to just about everything posted on this=20 list. Especially from people who I've met before, just makes it=20 that much more interesting when it's someone you run into every=20 other year or so. (If you want me to publicly retract the statement=20 that I know you, I guess I'll understand... :) > > These include a near vertical drop >=20 > A drop that is only near vertical for about 3 inches of it's 300=20 foot length. Why? Because for some reason it has an insanely large=20=20 > pullover.=20 Yup, it sure does. My first ride on this coaster took me by=20 complete surprise even though I knew about the steep drop. Why?=20=20 Because most people are used to a certain feeling of falling over=20 the top, but then leveling out at 60 deg. or so, But this one just=20 keeps going over. Very different sensation for the average first=20 time rider. Now, some 200 rides later, I just enjoy the view on the=20 way down. It's still my absolute favorite first drop.=20=20 And I don't know about you, but when I sit in the back,=20 that "insanely large pullover" floats me out of my seat the entire=20 way down. Yeah, I said you have to ride towards the back for the=20 first drop to have air, but that's true of most traditional lift=20 coasters. And the view from the front seat is amazing. Have you=20 ridden it at night? You know how everyone loves Nitro at night?=20=20 Exact same principle applies. > This bad first drop, coupled with the stupid fast lift=20=20 > hill, makes the coaster seem less than half as tall than it really=20 is. This "stupid fast lift hill" is what makes minute and a half=20 dispatches possible. (though they don't happen much anymore) If it=20 had a traditional chainlift, one of 2 things would happen: Each=20 ride cycle would take 3 minutes, halving capacity, or there would be=20 a midcourse brake. And I wouldn't want to hear all the bitching=20 that would take place if MF had a MCB. > The first over banked turn is great (I mentioned that in another=20=20 > post), but the rest are pointless. Most of them are so high up and=20 so=20=20 > slow that they're completely ineffective. The higher above the=20 ground you are, the slower it feels.=20 This is nit picky, but you seem to contradict yourself here a bit.=20=20 Yes, the first turn is the best, but also the highest and the=20 fastest.=20 > It's like on a plane .. when you're at=20=20 > 30,000 feet if looks/feels like you're hardly moving ... but 5=20=20 > seconds before landing it seems like you're going really fast=20 (when really you're moving relatively slowly). I wouldn't know anything about that... oh wait... > For the record, I dislike the high turns on Raging Bull for the=20 same=20=20 > reason. Hey we agree on something! And I love RB for the same reasons I=20 love MF. =20 > Whizzer at Six Flags Great=20=20 > America is 70 feet tall, and has a much more interesting layout=20=20 > featuring two ground hugging turns, a helix, a fun lift, trees,=20=20 > water, etc. (No airtime or positive Gs, though). I love Whizzer too... One of my faves. >=20 > I'll admit that I rag on Cedar Fair probably more than they=20 deserve,=20 Not really, I've been doing a lot too over the past few years, but=20 more from an operational standpoint. =20 AFLAC!!! -Brian F. (leaving tonight...) From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 11:18:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2797 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 18:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 18:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 18:17:39 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 18:17:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 18:17:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 18:17:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:17:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01de01c6d288$eadcec50$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.227.87 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=R57WIYk4FOCiCRJtEcHbjKTBL5n6RxinQHaB_p1jx1E7W43OJO8e X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > I'm going to disagree here... I found that I liked the Fast lift=20 hill. > It was almost intimidating in the way that MF goes up far more=20 quickly than=20 > you are used to on other coasters, combined with the extreme=20 height and lack=20 > of a safety staircase, I almost felt insecure, like I was going up=20 too fast=20 > and felt a little panic at the idea... because the top of the hill=20 was=20 > coming quick... almost too quick to prepare for it. >=20 > So overall, the lift itself was almost an adrenalin rush of=20 panic... Yeah, I forgot to mention this in my last post too. You're right=20 Lance... Every time I ride, I hear people commenting about how fast=20 we're going up, and it's always in a "holy crap" kinda way. Anyone=20 who disagrees should take a spin on Dragon Mountain sometime... AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 11:35:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16627 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 18:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 18:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 18:35:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 18:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 18:33:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:33:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c6d1db$e88f8280$6401a8c0@MyDomain> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: HW announces additions for 07 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=SwX2vMGGFZOTlEs9zaWg-A_xi8lTy_5unym3VdQCPgun6wYvcydb X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zerkel" =20 wrote: > and also a turkey-themed tilt-a-whirl. "The only leftovers will be your laughter." That's one of the weirdest ad slogans I've seen. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 07 13:36:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89471 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 20:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 20:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 20:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 20:31:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 20:31:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 20:31:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:31:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=hHTWf9lj6S0GAGpPUAqwUMfjEfpBLKpr-wORSVEEYVt6G2qygVbk3fQOiw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 all this talk about MF and Sheikra got me wondering-why has BG never=20 utilized Intamin? do they have an exclusive contract with B&M? dont=20 get me wrong i like B&M better, but i wouldnt mind a Intamin rides=20 being installed at their parks too. anyone know why they havent used=20 Intamin then?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 07 13:40:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37417 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 20:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 20:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 20:40:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 20:39:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 20:39:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:39:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=YROeJCV7cmFAErcYEuCuG4MI-GEDe8gRXd5cptl7P1EDakbjmNGCeTjuSA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" =20 wrote: > > This baby looks awesome. Just watched the POV video on Cedar=20 Point's=20 > email on the Maverick and wow I am excited about this one. I will=20 > definetly be getting season passes for next year! I think this=20 > coaster has a lot of potential and I'm glad they have some theming=20 > with it. it does look pretty nice. too bad they didnt save their money on TTD=20 and build a few smaller, better built rides like this. its cute, but=20 almost looks like a kiddie ride. at this point, thats probably a good=20 thing though.=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 13:41:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77298 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 20:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 20:40:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42203.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 20:40:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 54520 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2006 20:40:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20060907204028.54518.qmail@web42203.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.244.4] by web42203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:40:28 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=WJYJScE-IKBrz0lWzFlONuK_cipeqaV0eiEvoD5bGy9PPtzd X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Doug Nelson wrote: > all this talk about MF and Sheikra got me > wondering-why has BG never > utilized Intamin? do they have an exclusive contract > with B&M? dont > get me wrong i like B&M better, but i wouldnt mind a > Intamin rides > being installed at their parks too. anyone know why > they havent used > Intamin then? Because they believe in having rides that actually work? =] lata, jeremy --never too good to pass up a cheap shot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 13:59:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97399 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54202.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.244) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 20:59:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 67504 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2006 20:58:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060907205855.67502.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.29] by web54202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:58:55 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:58:55 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060907204028.54518.qmail@web42203.mail.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=BjHRkIrdrM5B6D1VBvbC6uIoLBUPdrSmd2hpbhYbGWUBdMvC1BpXgbJppeX_wTmn X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Intamin isn't that bad. TTD and KK are such highly advance rides that I don't think it sould have made a difference who designed and built them, there would have been the same problems. Just goes to show that higher isn't always better. Jeremy Norris wrote: Because they believe in having rides that actually work? =] lata, jeremy --never too good to pass up a cheap shot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 07 14:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90488 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 21:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 21:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 21:00:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 21:00:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 21:00:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:00:27 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060907204028.54518.qmail@web42203.mail.scd.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=DM3Na41MwkKGRQBnjQ-2ECe2_jbx4DRploj-WBbwZmwePCXwYSe7i24z7w X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris=20 wrote: > > --- Doug Nelson wrote: >=20 > > all this talk about MF and Sheikra got me > > wondering-why has BG never=20 > > utilized Intamin? do they have an exclusive contract > > with B&M? dont=20 > > get me wrong i like B&M better, but i wouldnt mind a > > Intamin rides=20 > > being installed at their parks too. anyone know why > > they havent used=20 > > Intamin then?=20 >=20 >=20 > Because they believe in having rides that actually > work? > =3D] > lata, jeremy > --never too good to pass up a cheap shot while i know you are joking, could this be a possible reason(down=20 time and reliability?) or maybe is it a capacity issue, since B&Ms=20 sit down trains are 4 seats instead of 2, thereby making for more=20 riders per hour?=20 From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 14:02:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24174 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 21:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 21:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42205.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.206) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 21:02:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 69884 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2006 20:59:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060907205933.69882.qmail@web42205.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.244.4] by web42205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:59:33 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:59:33 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <83066424-11F8-41AF-BC0C-0A348E07B5EF@buzzneon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=mxzSmEsuO5Iz90FfPSV708Kz8ZLqJDDAVXSH-JqaxlnFFuJM X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Cameron Silver wrote: > > These include a near vertical drop > > A drop that is only near vertical for about 3 inches > of it's 300 foot > length. Why? Because for some reason it has an > insanely large > pullover. This bad first drop, coupled with the > stupid fast lift > hill, makes the coaster seem less than half as tall > than it really is. Say what you will, but that drop is *very* effective. In fact, *because* of the 'insanely large pullover', IMO, it makes the drop seem *steeper*, as the drop continually increases in steepness. I think it's cool. > The first over banked turn is great (I mentioned > that in another > post), but the rest are pointless. Most of them are > so high up and so > slow that they're completely ineffective. The higher > above the ground > you are, the slower it feels. It's like on a plane > .. when you're at > 30,000 feet if looks/feels like you're hardly moving > ... but 5 > seconds before landing it seems like you're going > really fast (when > really you're moving relatively slowly). Actually, I guess I like the first overbank the least. But even that's not bad because the three overbanks are my favorite parts of the ride. In fact the final 'cutback' overbank is my single favorite element on the ride. > For the record, I dislike the high turns on Raging > Bull for the same > reason. Conversely, the turns are what puts Raging Bull in my top 3 steel. > > 4 Airtime: 1st drop, middle hills, station > camelback > > The airtime on all four hills is almost > non-existent. You said it > yourself, it's not an airtime machine. If you're > going to put hills > on such a tall/fast coaster, then the hills need to > deliver. If you > don't want airtime, then don't have hills. As it is > now, the kills on > Millennium Force are just sort of pathetic. I wonder why people say there is no air on Millie! Perhaps, perhaps you can say there is not much on the station flyby hill, but the 'out' and 'back' hills towards the island have plenty of air IMO. Sure, it's not S:ROS (SFA/DL) 3rd hill air, but it's right up there with "Sweet Morgan Air": more float than ejection...I'd call it flo-jection. =] > > > 5 low to ground speed > > 2 tunnels > > Two of the the "low to ground speed" moments are in > tunnels .. so the > effect is wasted. Norris Coaster Corollay #1: Tunnels are cool...ALWAYS! > So in a 300 foot tall coaster we have 3 fun elements > .. the first > over banked turn, and two non-tunnel low to ground > elements. And > you're saying that's a good layout?! Whizzer at Six > Flags Great > America is 70 feet tall, and has a much more > interesting layout > featuring two ground hugging turns, a helix, a fun > lift, trees, > water, etc. (No airtime or positive Gs, though). Now what I *dont* get is your extreme man-crush for Whizzer. Maybe it's because I've been riding Whizzer since '84 and it's always been known in my circles as the "kiddie" coaster, but I dont see it as such a great ride. There *literally* is no air on the ride (a big reason it was my favorite coaster when I was a coaster chicken). The *only* thing the ride has in its favor, IMO, is the trees. Whizzer is nothing more than a "starter" coaster. I wouldnt even think of comparing Whizzer and Millie and I'm not usually an "apples/oranges" type of guy. > I'll admit that I rag on Cedar Fair probably more > than they deserve, > but Millennium Force is just not a good use of the > height or speed. > If it's good enough for you, then fine. But there's > so much more they > could have (and should have) done. But the truth of the matter is that they did "enough" with Millie. Many people, so-called "GP" and "enthusiasts" alike, think that the ride is top tier as is. You dont dig the ride, we get that, but the ride does not suffer from some universally accepted flaw. It's like with me and Raptor. I dont really care for the ride (as inverts go); mostly, I dont like the pacing. But I cant call the ride a "failure" because *so* many other ppl love the damn thing. But really, in the case of Millie, it seems like you wanted a bigger Magnum. Well there are several of those, including Steel Force and Steel Dragon 2000. Millie is different, and if it's not your thing, that's cool...dont ride it. There is a coaster right across the way that should satify your desires...and look! The line is shorter! lata, jeremy --far from a Cedar Point/Fair fanboy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 14:18:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69437 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 21:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 21:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 21:18:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 2450 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2006 21:17:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20060907211713.2448.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:17:13 PDT Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:17:13 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=YOi3eKXgwGAF5SgIC5iN6PxlkD3aC0K8X8lmw5TIg9l1AGz3 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy > Norris > wrote: > > > > --- Doug Nelson wrote: > > > > > all this talk about MF and Sheikra got me > > > wondering-why has BG never > > > utilized Intamin? do they have an exclusive > contract > > > with B&M? dont > > > get me wrong i like B&M better, but i wouldnt > mind a > > > Intamin rides > > > being installed at their parks too. anyone know > why > > > they havent used > > > Intamin then? > > > > > > Because they believe in having rides that actually > > work? > > =] > > lata, jeremy > > --never too good to pass up a cheap shot > > > while i know you are joking, could this be a > possible reason(down > time and reliability?) or maybe is it a capacity > issue, since B&Ms > sit down trains are 4 seats instead of 2, thereby > making for more > riders per hour? I think we went through this once before (right Gregleg?) but I *think* that the theoretical math puts the the hourly capacity of Millie and Raging Bull/ Apollo's Chariot in the same ball park. Remember, Millie has 9 car trains so it too seats 36 ppl per train just like the B&Ms. But the slight capacity gain of the B&Ms could *possibly* come from the use of a Mid Course brake. That being said, based on my few visits to BGE/A, I think the "real world" throughput of Millie is higher than that of AC because the Busch crews dont seem to be as speedy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 07 15:28:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27033 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 22:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 22:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 22:27:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 22:27:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 22:27:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:27:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060907205933.69882.qmail@web42205.mail.scd.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=LVXeQQt4fGbDCO-PoUXKiRgvQNhihN-NKhBuR_IFxDCxXeW0I3gazirSwg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris=20 wrote: > > But the truth of the matter is that they did "enough" > with Millie. Many people, so-called "GP" and > "enthusiasts" alike, think that the ride is top tier > as is. You dont dig the ride, we get that, but the > ride does not suffer from some universally accepted > flaw. It's like with me and Raptor. I dont really > care for the ride (as inverts go); mostly, I dont like > the pacing. But I cant call the ride a "failure" > because *so* many other ppl love the damn thing. it is kinda funny that MF year after year tops the polls, usually=20 right after SROS. and where does Mag usually fit? i cant even think=20 of the last time it was on the top 10. its hardly even mentioned=20 anymore, unlike SROS and MF, which even years after they were built=20 are still big with fans and the GP alike.=20 > Millie is different, and if it's not your thing, > that's cool...dont ride it. There is a coaster right > across the way that should satify your desires...and > look! The line is shorter! ooh, that was a good burn.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 07 15:39:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6755 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 22:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 22:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 22:33:06 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 22:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 22:32:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2006 22:32:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:32:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060907211713.2448.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=zeW-7EDMOs8dxRBlu48wXiPJEJe-u6-2t7CO7_FLvKhP2uoE07jKH78ZSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Norris=20 wrote: > I think we went through this once before (right > Gregleg?) but I *think* that the theoretical math puts > the the hourly capacity of Millie and Raging Bull/ > Apollo's Chariot in the same ball park. Remember, > Millie has 9 car trains so it too seats 36 ppl per > train just like the B&Ms. But the slight capacity > gain of the B&Ms could *possibly* come from the use of > a Mid Course brake. >=20 > That being said, based on my few visits to BGE/A, I > think the "real world" throughput of Millie is higher > than that of AC because the Busch crews dont seem to > be as speedy. i could see that. so then maybe its a exclusive contractual thing with=20 B&M then?=20 From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 07 15:50:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69577 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 22:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 22:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 22:44:32 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k87MhioV009484 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:43:44 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:43:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <008c01c6d281$fcb7dcc0$0600a8c0@raven> References: <008c01c6d281$fcb7dcc0$0600a8c0@raven> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:43:37 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2006 22:43:44.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[12FB7350:01C6D2CF] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Maverick - A 17th roller coaster at Cedar Point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=bnafl4sG-gMRJEXWDl-t5oyO5mote-uUtqDYJgoWz9J_OHrh X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I think we're getting saddled with the shoulder straps. They're > not horrid > on Storm Runner, so I'm not too worried, but I WOULD vastly prefer the > Dragster style lapbar... They were horrid on Rita, which has a very twisted layout like Maverick .. Giant bruises on our necks and arms that lasted days (from just five rides). We ended up having to ride holding on to the straps near our necks, as that was the only way to stop the restraints from slamming into our jugular. Although since Maverick has inversions I'm going to guess that it will get real over-the-shoulder restraints, (ie: like on a looper), which will be far better. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 07 15:50:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72618 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 22:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 22:45:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 22:45:09 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k87MiwXE009542 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:44:58 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:44:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060907204028.54518.qmail@web42203.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20060907204028.54518.qmail@web42203.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40C7E7D7-EB62-4A74-93AC-34E8168C6C36@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:44:50 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2006 22:44:58.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EF0A7A0:01C6D2CF] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=NHdit6lEHegWurgQ8J8yGX_TosuvKu0TJJepQbZoSZTDmuz_ X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, >> all this talk about MF and Sheikra got me wondering-why has BG >> never utilized Intamin? do they have an exclusive contract with B&M? > > Because they believe in having rides that actually work? hahaha .. I was going to say the very same thing, but I knew I'd get yelled at! :) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I healed * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** A piano?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 07 16:01:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62751 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 23:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 23:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 23:01:42 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k87N1BED010303 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:01:11 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:01:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060907205933.69882.qmail@web42205.mail.scd.yahoo.com> References: <20060907205933.69882.qmail@web42205.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B90834C-B014-414F-8BF0-8D532BB0A881@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:01:03 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2006 23:01:10.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[82BBA050:01C6D2D1] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=GAiEFzsLhO4qlvMqazVWbMAtVO5ePgArA5L2fiUmCAZz7IY8 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, >> For the record, I dislike the high turns on Raging Bull for the >> same reason. > > Conversely, the turns are what puts Raging Bull in my top 3 steel. The turns at the end of Bull are awesome .. in fact I adore the whole second half of Bull (after the Mid-Course) .. but the first half is a great big old dose pointless (other than the first drop, which is really fun). >> Two of the the "low to ground speed" moments are in tunnels .. so >> the effect is wasted. > > Norris Coaster Corollay #1: Tunnels are cool...ALWAYS! Naa not at all. Good tunnels are good .. but tunnels for the sake of it are kind of stupid. The ones on MF do hurt the ride. Now if the first drop were to go below ground (in a tunnel), THAT would be awesome. (Again I'll compare to Bull, and say the tunnel there is stupid too). > Now what I *dont* get is your extreme man-crush for > Whizzer. Whizzer is far from being one of my favorite rides, but it's a much more full layout and design than Millennium. Whizzer also has no forces, which is my way of affirming the "forces aren't everything" argument. I'm sick of people assuming that I don't like Millennium because it doesn't have as much air as Magnum .. when the real reason I don't like Millennium is because it's a lazy, unimaginative, incomplete layout. > But the truth of the matter is that they did "enough" with Millie. > Many people, so-called "GP" and > "enthusiasts" alike, think that the ride is top tier as is. I don't think anyone is doubting the popularity of the ride. McDonalds is more popular than the top quality steak house near Six Flags Great America .. if you'd rather eat McDonalds, well that's your decision. > But really, in the case of Millie, it seems like you > wanted a bigger Magnum. NNNOOOO! .. ugh .. sigh .. why do I even bother?! Ok .. read every single word: I don't think Millennium Force is unsatisfactory because it's lacking in air time. I don't think it should be an out-n-back. I don't think it needs more positive Gs .. I just think that two hills and handful of slow turns is a pretty piss-poor effort for a 300 foot tall, 90 MPH coaster. It fails as an out-n-back, and it fails as a twister. Imagine how great it would be if the island portion of the ride had a layout like Maverick? Why does the ride feel slower than Raven? Because so much of it is miles up in there air where it's slower and there's no sensation of speed. And what do they do in one of the precious near-ground moments? They put stupid tunnels there! > Millie is different, and if it's not your thing, that's cool...dont > ride it. It's not my thing not because it's different, but because it's stupid! (Well OK, that's going too far, it's obviously not stupid - I'm just frustrated! :) ). Rita is different, and it's awesome. V2 is different and it's one of my favorite rides .. Batman is (well, was) different and that kicks butt. There is no particular style of ride that I like .. I like any ride, any layout, that has good pacing, and good 'effects'. Millennium Force has neither .. just a lot of track that doesn't do much. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Stop ahead * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Pay toll. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From serpmage@juno.com Thu Sep 07 16:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31554 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 23:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 23:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 23:02:04 -0000 Received: from webmail05.lax.untd.com (webmail05.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.145]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCSBKFSAMFJ6TJ for (sender ); Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAEo4TaV6Qw+PDsnc4WEgBbFa55oZaZz/DA== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail05.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LZPW9JNK; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:00:49 PDT Received: from [65.118.211.100] by webmail05.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:00:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:00:07 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060907.160049.3967.887542@webmail05.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 14:7:2272207307 X-MAIL-INFO:513e43bf1f4be31ffb874b3be33b6b7b0a479bce67fe7f37ee470a070eeb6f1f7f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.145|webmail05.lax.untd.com|webmail05.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=x0QPjH4aIbxTxJZOb6CZYv0iBHAIXJR-MlWQJr3P11ILoUMG8w X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr > I think we went through this once before (right > Gregleg?) but I *think* that the theoretical math puts > the the hourly capacity of Millie and Raging Bull/ > Apollo's Chariot in the same ball park. Remember, > Millie has 9 car trains so it too seats 36 ppl per > train just like the B&Ms. But the slight capacity > gain of the B&Ms could *possibly* come from the use of > a Mid Course brake. >=20 > That being said, based on my few visits to BGE/A, I > think the "real world" throughput of Millie is higher > than that of AC because the Busch crews dont seem to > be as speedy. >i could see that. so then maybe its a exclusive contractual thing=20 >with B&M then?=20 I don't think they have an exclusive contract, I mean, how would you=20 word that? Any steel coaster over a certain height? Because they=20 have built Gwazi, 2 Shamu Express coasters, and 2 Journey to=20 Atlantis's in the time frame that one would think that an "exclusive=20 coaster" contract might be formed. I think it's more likely that=20 B&M's has never failed BEC and has always worked well with BEC=20 engineering to integrate the coaster into the rest of the park=20 efficiently. I can't imagine that there's a big enough price=20 difference between Intamin and B&M for that to matter to Busch,=20 especially if there is already an established design relationship in=20 place. One of the really nice things I picked up from my time=20 working at Sea World is that there really is an ideal at the=20 corporate level that relationships make a difference and it's not=20 always about the dollar, just usually. The other thing though is=20 that the theme parks are only a small portion of Anheusier-Busch's=20 total budget, from the very top level, they almost view the parks as=20 advertizing more than revenue, and so a bit of visual uniformity and=20 familiarity is important when they put in new attractions as well. Just my thoughts and ramblings on that. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 07 16:13:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1092 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 23:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 23:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 23:08:10 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k87N85Qp024180 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:08:05 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:08:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:07:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2006 23:08:05.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[79980990:01C6D2D2] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=YGcFdflTXGkVM8tpF8LDATbuvCtjVkW3FS39Rnd9KWc1Q0L9 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hey, >> I'm sure Brian's little tirade was aimed at me, because I dared to >> say that Millennium Force isn't a good layout .. > > No, it was aimed at anyone and everyone who ever blasts MF for not > being "the supreme airtime machine it was supposed to have been." Which is not something I think I've ever said.. > I do tend to use you as an example of the extreme anti-CP guy, but > hey, you asked for it. Small side-track .. I'm really not "anti" Cedar Fair, I'm just puzzled by all the attention they get when they really seem to be little more than Six Flags II. I mean, it's not like I'll boycott them (I'll be at MIA on the 17th), and if the opportunity comes up to go to Cedar Point then I won't turn it down. I just won't rush there or schedule plans around it, etc. Ok .. I just want to make sure no-one thinks I'm some sort of whacko extremest! :) > And I don't know about you, but when I sit in the back, > that "insanely large pullover" floats me out of my seat the entire > way down. Yeah, I said you have to ride towards the back for the > first drop to have air, but that's true of most traditional lift > coasters. Oh, totally agree. > If it had a traditional chainlift, one of 2 things would happen: Each > ride cycle would take 3 minutes, halving capacity, or there would be > a midcourse brake. And I wouldn't want to hear all the bitching > that would take place if MF had a MCB. ?? What's wrong with a mid-course break? > This is nit picky, but you seem to contradict yourself here a bit. > Yes, the first turn is the best, but also the highest and the > fastest. It's also the turn with the most forces .. which makes it feel fast. That's all I'm saying .. Millennium Force only feels about half as tall and half as fast as it actually is. To me that signifies as bad layout. Voyage, Raven, Whizzer, Batman, V2, and many other smaller coasters feel much faster. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** I am Bender, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Please insert girder. * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 07 16:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14610 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 23:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 23:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 23:10:47 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k87NALvB024256 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:10:21 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:10:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060907.160049.3967.887542@webmail05.lax.untd.com> References: <20060907.160049.3967.887542@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D5064F7-A58F-4D7E-84E8-C735604DE774@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:10:14 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2006 23:10:21.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[CABD0C30:01C6D2D2] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=muqxTqZm7eEAtduvfJtEcb3olDAhKPPQWnhKXaNg-KDjkYUd X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon >> i could see that. so then maybe its a exclusive contractual thing >> with B&M then? > > I don't think they have an exclusive contract, I mean, how would you > word that? I imagine it'd be something like B&M offering them better prices if they order X number of coasters over X years. So Busch can order whatever they want from whomever they want, but if they want something big and expensive, they'll be likely to go back to B&M and get the discount. Pure speculation .. I have no actual knowledge of this.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** 20 GOTO 10 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Sep 07 16:50:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71139 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2006 23:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2006 23:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2006 23:44:41 -0000 X-JTAN-Outgoing-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Outgoing-To: X-JTAN-Received: thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138] X-JTAN-Recipient: X-JTAN-AntiSPAM: not spam, Outgoing not scanned X-JTAN-AntiVirus: Found to be clean, Outgoing not scanned Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k87NeZtF007989 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:40:35 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:40:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c6d2d7$048e3cf0$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbSwz7Cg1VcbwIHTFqOhfop++IIwQAE1kCg In-Reply-To: <20060907211713.2448.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=kjpY1NdGtLExjpWSl5mTDyOsxX0O1zXW937xh6FL_8xAJEM X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 Jeremy wrote: > I think we went through this once before (right > Gregleg?) but I *think* that the theoretical math puts > the the hourly capacity of Millie and Raging Bull/ > Apollo's Chariot in the same ball park. Remember, > Millie has 9 car trains so it too seats 36 ppl per > train just like the B&Ms. But the slight capacity > gain of the B&Ms could *possibly* come from the use of > a Mid Course brake. Yup. I was just about to send just about the same explanation as you, in fact :) B&Ms may seat 4 across, but they still basically have the same number of CARS, so the actual capacity-per-train is the same. Other factors, like the stupidly simple loading scheme of the dreaded horsecollar (as a short thin rider, I'm not a fan of them, even on B&M's), may make a difference, though. --Greg From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Thu Sep 07 18:27:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12887 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 01:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 01:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 01:23:34 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (145-232.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.232.145]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k87Ms94J026200 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c6d2d0$8bffb760$91e82341@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:54:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: Six Flags Names Mark Kane to Lead Its Largest Park, Six Flags Great Adventure X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=3YLhraWk5mMZrIAWhwSAQzBgGwQO7ggTl-0l-QYt87rCZIaBVPLj X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060907/dath026.html?.v=65 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 07 18:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91907 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 01:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 01:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 01:28:06 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k880brut027302 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <050a01c6d2df$094a1db0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060907204028.54518.qmail@web42203.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:37:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=R4g2jEeF826jmTkte8TfPmKOBQWe8HuwWiaXjQenBvaWv6k7Oyyq-Je4gw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Norris" > --- Doug Nelson wrote: > >> all this talk about MF and Sheikra got me >> wondering-why has BG never >> utilized Intamin? do they have an exclusive contract >> with B&M? dont >> get me wrong i like B&M better, but i wouldnt mind a >> Intamin rides >> being installed at their parks too. anyone know why >> they havent used >> Intamin then? > > > Because they believe in having rides that actually > work? You pretty much nailed it right on the head there. Busch is perfectly willing to pay whatever it costs to get the highest quality ride they can buy. Clearly B&M is the top quality manufacturer and the point is to pay extra at the start to save in maintence costs in the long run. Every so often Busch will branch out and try someone new and sometimes it works out and they start to use them on many new projects (case in point, I don't think they used Mack before Journey To Atlantis, and now they're installing their 3rd version) meanwhile they tried out Vekoma once for the custom ride system used under the water on Rhino Rally which was a disaster, so I don't think you'll see them use Vekoma ever again. Well... they used Vekoma once before on a kiddie coaster at Sesame Place I guess, but you can see when they wanted more kiddie coasters for SeaWorld Texas and Florida they went with Zamperla for the two Shamu Express coasters as well as the kiddie flat rides. Busch does use Intamin though, but mainly for their older Tidal Wave boat splash rides and all of their river rapids rides, but that's about it. (Oh, and the one looping starship (aka: Phoenix) at BGT). Busch has never had a reason to really look to anyone else for a coaster other than B&M so Intamin is never considered. Well, they did also branch out to GCI once for Gwazi, but that's because B&M doesn't make woodies. (not counting the Psyclone trains...) From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 07 18:37:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76360 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 01:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 01:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 01:35:29 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k880ioh8001781 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <051d01c6d2e0$01d01840$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:44:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=IUZmMPM4947KTPymg-eTmf-x2l717RsAu0ZTT3x0-wc2qfp-hphu1gWW5A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > > all this talk about MF and Sheikra got me > > wondering-why has BG never > > utilized Intamin? do they have an exclusive contract > > with B&M? dont > > get me wrong i like B&M better, but i wouldnt mind a > > Intamin rides > > anyone know why Busch havent used > > Intamin then? > > Because they believe in having rides that actually > work? while i know you are joking, could this be a possible reason(down time and reliability?) It's no joke... August Busch takes a very personal hand in how his parks work and function and doesn't put up with anything that is shoddy and prone to breakdowns or causes problems which is why Drachen Fire didn't last very long before it was removed. While Intamin's water ride division is fairly solid and they've used them many times, Intamin's coaster side just does not have a good industry reputation for reliability... not to mention the several incidents were riders have been tossed from Intamin restraints for one reason or another (Superman: ROS SFDL & SDNE, Perlilous Plunge, Hydro, etc) and by comparison, when was the last time someone was tossed from a B&M? I can't think of one single incident myself. Safety, Reliability, Reputation, Maintence, etc... they all factor in as to why Busch stays away. Which is why I could never quite figure out why Cedar Point keeps going back to the same questionable well time and time again over the last 7 years after having both good and bad experiences with Intamin coasters. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 19:05:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87180 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 02:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 02:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 02:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 02:04:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 02:04:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:04:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.233.111 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=cXEOI106NOdTDQPlrbXz5_qGdWpF34OsKihNR-TWXdg48FnedhHZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > ...but alas, since they already had an airtime > coaster, they decided it would be foolish to repeat > themselves by simply building a larger version of > Magnum. Therefore they built something completely > different with many elements that did not exist at > Cedar Point already. Is that what you meant to say? < No, not at all. > I'm so effing sick of everyone crying about the lack > of air on MF. IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE AN AIRTIME > COASTER! < Yeah, I know. That's what I was sad about. Remember, it's just my personal preference -- I love airtime, and if MF had been designed more like SROS with loads of airtime hills, I would have been in heaven. I know that's not what it was designed for, and I know that CP was looking for a different experience. But I can dream with no harm to the general public. :-) Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Sep 07 19:31:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27177 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 02:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 02:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 02:25:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n14.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 02:24:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 02:24:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:24:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c6d2d0$8bffb760$91e82341@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.233.111 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Names Mark Kane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=njOfxxIgfLzODt1bIEPvWI_ApvzDIe3VsI6sX6oiKewlc1tGe_yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme It's the Six Flags shuffle. Man, how can any of these managers get a feel for their parks when they ricochet from one park to another from year to year? > I firmly believe he will quickly transform Six Flags Great Adventure into a true exemplar of what it means to be a Six Flags park. < I thought GrAdv was already exemplar; I mean, it's the biggest park in the freaking chain! I guess with the way SF operates, it's not really about what a particular manager has as a vision for the park; it's more about how well the manager can implement the vision Shapiro has. Jay From lance@screamscape.com Thu Sep 07 20:53:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77560 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 03:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 03:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 03:46:34 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k883kWxh004274 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02c101c6d2f9$63fea400$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:46:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Names Mark Kane X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=7f6DzvnUG4NaTW5MThPIA8Tey6YUcYI1ocDujMDFD54DQkZG9S68sKwNFg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Remember that SFNE was on the short list of 6 "No Touch" parks according to Shapiro... while SFGAdv was reported as still needing help, so I guess he's hoping this guy can bring whatever he did to SFNE down to Jersey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay_ducharme" To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Names Mark Kane It's the Six Flags shuffle. Man, how can any of these managers get a feel for their parks when they ricochet from one park to another from year to year? > I firmly believe he will quickly transform Six Flags Great Adventure into a true exemplar of what it means to be a Six Flags park. < I thought GrAdv was already exemplar; I mean, it's the biggest park in the freaking chain! I guess with the way SF operates, it's not really about what a particular manager has as a vision for the park; it's more about how well the manager can implement the vision Shapiro has. Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 08 04:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78980 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 11:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 11:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 11:54:24 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GLevJ-00073z-QO for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: <450159B6.5010000@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:53:26 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <83066424-11F8-41AF-BC0C-0A348E07B5EF@buzzneon.com> In-Reply-To: <83066424-11F8-41AF-BC0C-0A348E07B5EF@buzzneon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478509ac0f1770e5437e644f08ba5bfed813261045e6a5bc68b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=l2ZrGRUr9j17H45aURSvKw8tN3sSe0Pr95TOkJq3DNR0Kzs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash I've stayed out so far, but had to chime in here: Cameron Silver wrote: > > > These include a near vertical drop > > A drop that is only near vertical for about 3 inches of it's 300 foot > length. Why? Because for some reason it has an insanely large > pullover. This bad first drop, coupled with the stupid fast lift > hill, makes the coaster seem less than half as tall than it really is. While I might agree on the part about not really being near vertical, it is one of the steepest drops out there. And I am actually a big fan of the drop. Easily the best part of the coaster in my book. Sorry Cam, but I will have to disagree with you on that part. > > 4 Overbanked Turns > > The first over banked turn is great (I mentioned that in another > post), but the rest are pointless. Most of them are so high up and so > slow that they're completely ineffective. The higher above the ground > you are, the slower it feels. It's like on a plane .. when you're at > 30,000 feet if looks/feels like you're hardly moving ... but 5 > seconds before landing it seems like you're going really fast (when > really you're moving relatively slowly). Am I the only one underwhelmed by overbanked turns? The coasters that have them that I've been on have generally gone so fast through them that you didn't notice. Overbanks just don't do a whole lot for me. > > 4 Airtime: 1st drop, middle hills, station camelback > > The airtime on all four hills is almost non-existent. You said it > yourself, it's not an airtime machine. If you're going to put hills > on such a tall/fast coaster, then the hills need to deliver. If you > don't want airtime, then don't have hills. As it is now, the kills on > Millennium Force are just sort of pathetic. Gotta completely go with Cam on this one. You get some air on the first drop, especially if you're in the back. But after that, forget it. I hear people talk all the time about the air on MF, but sorry, it's not there. Not in the middle hills at all, and barely a noticeable thing at all on the station camelback. Point to Cam on this one. > > > 5 low to ground speed > > 2 tunnels > > Two of the the "low to ground speed" moments are in tunnels .. so the > effect is wasted. Here's what the coaster is all about though- the speed. Regardless of the "elements" after the drop, what the coaster was designed around was to experience speed, and a lot of it in a few different ways. And that it does extremely well. Personally I would have really liked it if they had decided to include a couple of moments that actually included some real air, or something else. But they created a speed machine instead, and for what it is, it's awesome. It is in my top 10 of coasters, which says something. But at the same time, there's not all the "extras" that some try to make it seem like it has. Nor is it as disappointing as others may feel like it is. > I'll admit that I rag on Cedar Fair probably more than they deserve, > but Millennium Force is just not a good use of the height or speed. > If it's good enough for you, then fine. But there's so much more they > could have (and should have) done. Maybe if they had wanted it to do something. But I tend to agree with the assessment that Cedar Fair already had an airtime coaster in Magnum and didn't want to create a second larger version of it. I totally understand that. While we would have loved it, much of the public would probably have the "been there done that" feel about it then. Ah well. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 08 05:50:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26708 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 12:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 12:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 12:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:41:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:41:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:41:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:41:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <050a01c6d2df$094a1db0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=lYoXJ2_FmBDoesQ-8RDKvnls21ANLX2zErSjW6J0Xb4x8JVfOxVcDgDiCg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > meanwhile they tried out Vekoma once for the custom ride system used=20 under=20 > the water on > Rhino Rally which was a disaster, so I don't think you'll see them=20 use=20 > Vekoma ever again. whats wrong with RR? i didnt know they had had any problems with it.=20 someone want to fill me in here? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 08 05:54:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3427 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 12:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 12:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.206) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 12:47:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:46:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:46:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:46:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:46:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <051d01c6d2e0$01d01840$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=JcOSR-ina-R_yM27IMaWcshn_KfAgXdRGNVB_lY14XD5AIs2jHrleEEEjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > Safety, Reliability, Reputation, Maintence, etc... they all factor=20 in as to=20 > why Busch stays away. > Which is why I could never quite figure out why Cedar Point keeps=20 going back=20 > to the same > questionable well time and time again over the last 7 years after=20 having=20 > both good and bad > experiences with Intamin coasters. six flags too. which is kinda weird, isnt it? if intamin is so=20 unreliable, why do parks keep buying their coaster products? wouldnt=20 that go against proper business practice(im playing devil's advocate=20 here btw-i like most of the intamins ive been on. i just like B&M=20 better overall)? why would you buy from a company that in the long run=20 are going to cause you financial headaches? its not like say BG=20 somehow has management that knows this and the management at SF or CF=20 dont, does it?=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 08 06:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20284 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 12:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 12:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 12:55:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:54:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 12:54:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:54:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <450159B6.5010000@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=Zxkx3cDsnl-X02v3B6JxGWqYCpLJyH51fGu7aGFChBWiRWhA8Z6-cCzjrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > Am I the only one underwhelmed by overbanked turns? The coasters=20 that=20 > have them that I've been on have generally gone so fast through them=20 > that you didn't notice. Overbanks just don't do a whole lot for me. im with you on that one george. i dont get anything from them either,=20 other than an interesting view of the ground if you happen to be=20 sitting on the side that on the inside of the turn. they go by too=20 fast for me to notice them, and to me they are just a way to redirect=20 the coaster in another direction. so yeah i find them underwhelming as=20 well.=20 From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 08 07:57:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99837 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 14:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 14:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 14:52:46 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k88EqhL7020892 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <061101c6d356$75599090$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:52:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=WmhkFtwJum5HTU6eXbsN9il4sEerVTkORmeL_776lEIOotWFQddg0_Knug X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >six flags too. which is kinda weird, isnt it? if intamin is so >unreliable, why do parks keep buying their coaster products? >wouldnt >that go against proper business practice(im playing devil's advocate A few reasons... none of them good for the park, but good on the short-term budgets: 1) The "I'm Sorry" Discount Price. 2) Or the "We'll sell your our next prototype creation at cost" Discount. 3) Or finally the "Buy 3 and get one free" discount... or something to that extent which I think was something they did with Vekoma for the three Deja Vu's to get a fourth at the last second installed to WB MovieWorld in Spain when Six Flags was a partner in the project. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Sep 08 08:12:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36955 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 15:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 15:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 15:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 15:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 15:10:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 15:10:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:10:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=8P8f38B9oT12De4HqSx7YVZvg9MS97PraItTTwIbA_GffgF1Cw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" w= rote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 > wrote: >=20 > > Am I the only one underwhelmed by overbanked turns? The coasters=20 > that=20 > > have them that I've been on have generally gone so fast through them=20 > > that you didn't notice. Overbanks just don't do a whole lot for me. >=20 > im with you on that one george. i dont get anything from them either,=20 > other than an interesting view of the ground if you happen to be=20 > sitting on the side that on the inside of the turn. they go by too=20 > fast for me to notice them, and to me they are just a way to redirect=20 > the coaster in another direction. so yeah i find them underwhelming as=20 > well. of course their main objective is to redirect the coaster. changing directi= ons is a big part=20 of roller coasters. i mean, unless you're a shuttle looper/impulse coaster,= you're going to=20 have to make it back to the station at some point? right? overbanked turns are better than underbanked turns imho , and overbankeds a= re less=20 boring that your typical *helix* that most coasters use to change direction= (and slow you=20 down) i think that some coasters COULD have benefited from overbanked turns= , rather=20 than a normal turn around. (if this didn't work, it's Goliath at SFMM's turn) I love both Goliath & Titan, but to me, after one first drop, the ride isn'= t paced well , to just=20 kill it by having a CONEY ISLAND CYCLONE first turn after only one drop. To= me, if they=20 would've added an Intamin-Like Overbanked Turn here, it would've help keep = the pace of=20 the coaster. I know this coaster wasn't designed as a AIR TIME MACHINE eith= er, it was built=20 for speed, correct? As much as I like Laterals (usually on wooden coasters only), I feel that t= he underbanking=20 is un-necessary on PR. But it fits w/ the Kennywood Lateral theme they have= going (see=20 Thunderbolt, Kangaroo, etc...) From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 08 08:55:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93734 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 15:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 15:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 15:55:38 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k88EruCh002796 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <061801c6d356$a0c96840$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:54:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=5tsUUaB8SCk9jzXnKKQIshvBkNTgkrR7lAYbALLSQrkrXcGVSs7sHHI7rw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > Am I the only one underwhelmed by overbanked turns? The coasters that > have them that I've been on have generally gone so fast through them > that you didn't notice. Overbanks just don't do a whole lot for me. im with you on that one george. i dont get anything from them either, other than an interesting view of the ground if you happen to be sitting on the side that on the inside of the turn. they go by too fast for me to notice them, and to me they are just a way to redirect the coaster in another direction. so yeah i find them underwhelming as well. ---- I'll pop in a Me Too. I wasn't all that impressed with it... it was over too quick. I was more freaked out by the high up turn over Colossus on Goliath at SFMM instead where I could look down... way down... getting a view of Colossus I've never had before. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 08 09:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73639 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 16:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 16:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 16:03:59 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k88G3mQR026120 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:03:48 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:03:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:03:08 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2006 16:03:24.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[5076EC50:01C6D360] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=jB97452NRLtZkni7JnK3NDt0m4gcNr-ehtRCjmjxJ940cQYx X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > overbanked turns are better than underbanked turns imho , and > overbankeds are less > boring that your typical *helix* that most coasters use to change > direction (and slow you > down) Oh no way .. the high turns on the first half Raging Bull would be absolutely amazing if they were under-banked. Imagine some strong laterals when you're that high up in those totally exposed cars? It would rule. As they are now (over banked), they're a total yawn-fest. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Start wearing purple * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** for me now... * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 08 09:06:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25492 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 16:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 16:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 16:05:18 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k88G52FB018373 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:05:02 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:04:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <17483077-862C-4CAE-98F8-54DD3F1370A6@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:04:40 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2006 16:04:54.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[86380FE0:01C6D360] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=fgbqLON2q4_hvPOlyP5qiH1Gbcsaw0e_2tx8DDXFg3D6pvra X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > if intamin is so unreliable, why do parks keep buying their > coaster products? Why would someone buy a Honda Civic when a Porsche is a far more superior car?! Because they're cheap! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Need more * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Ice-cream! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 08 09:11:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11984 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 16:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 16:11:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 16:11:48 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k88GBeWm018824 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:11:46 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:11:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <450159B6.5010000@earthlink.net> References: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <83066424-11F8-41AF-BC0C-0A348E07B5EF@buzzneon.com> <450159B6.5010000@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0223D65D-1A46-4099-827B-95E4C6EB6056@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:11:36 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2006 16:11:45.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AE90DA0:01C6D361] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=7ac75u4lRq57O0tBBzOr9dCRiShQWoKS1TxyKTw2GLWN5Hdj X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > And I am actually a big fan of the drop. Easily the best part of > the coaster in my book. Sure .. but that's not saying much when the rest of the coaster isn't very good! :) > Here's what the coaster is all about though- the speed. Regardless of > the "elements" after the drop, what the coaster was designed around > was > to experience speed, and a lot of it in a few different ways. But my point is that it simply doesn't feel fast. A coaster that focuses on speed, so FEEL fast. Don't put changes of direction a mile up in the air where there are no close objects and the train is moving slowly. And then don't put lame tunnels over the few parts of the layout that are actually near the ground. Millennium Force just doesn't feel fast .. Raven, V2, Batman, Magnum and even Whizzer all feel faster. I'm sorry, but Millennium Force just fails in the speed department. > Maybe if they had wanted it to do something. But I tend to agree with > the assessment that Cedar Fair already had an airtime coaster in > Magnum Argh .. again, I'm not saying that Millennium Force needs more airtime. It just needs more something, because as it is it's pretty disappointing. If Cedar Point didn't want air, then why are there two boring hills? Hills should give air, that's a given. If Cedar Point wanted speed, then why is so much of the coaster so high in the air where nothing fun happens? It's like they missed every point they were trying to make. I don't think Cedar Point should have built another Magnum, and I'm glad they tried something else. They just failed with a boring, incomplete, lazy design. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You're nothing but a fish, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** you fish!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 08 10:37:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37891 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 17:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 17:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 17:31:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 17:27:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 17:27:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:27:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17483077-862C-4CAE-98F8-54DD3F1370A6@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=pnh1y3Je0xI7AypWLGpSdhEJJkyKXGRrlo9nGQb7AxvFf07RMUvZRrBX8A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver =20 wrote: > >=20 > > if intamin is so unreliable, why do parks keep buying their=20=20 > > coaster products? >=20 > Why would someone buy a Honda Civic when a Porsche is a far more=20=20 > superior car?! >=20 > Because they're cheap! id take a honda over a porsche any day, cause hondas are more=20 dependable. oh, and cheaper to fix.=20 From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Sep 08 10:45:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38274 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 17:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 17:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.188) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 17:39:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 17:38:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 17:38:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 17:38:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:38:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0223D65D-1A46-4099-827B-95E4C6EB6056@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=1utztsDCzIG9NyBbSHZEcbRHnt_tsdnB5HkjJX6pD76NkP0f1A X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrot= e: > >=20 > > And I am actually a big fan of the drop. Easily the best part of=20=20 > > the coaster in my book. >=20 > Sure .. but that's not saying much when the rest of the coaster isn't = =20 > very good! :) >=20 > > Here's what the coaster is all about though- the speed. Regardless of > > the "elements" after the drop, what the coaster was designed around = =20 > > was > > to experience speed, and a lot of it in a few different ways. >=20 > But my point is that it simply doesn't feel fast. A coaster that=20=20 > focuses on speed, so FEEL fast. Don't put changes of direction a mile = =20 > up in the air where there are no close objects and the train is=20=20 > moving slowly. And then don't put lame tunnels over the few parts of=20=20 > the layout that are actually near the ground. Millennium Force just=20=20 > doesn't feel fast .. Raven, V2, Batman, Magnum and even Whizzer all=20=20 > feel faster. I'm sorry, but Millennium Force just fails in the speed=20=20 > department. >=20 > > Maybe if they had wanted it to do something. But I tend to agree with > > the assessment that Cedar Fair already had an airtime coaster in=20=20 > > Magnum >=20 > Argh .. again, I'm not saying that Millennium Force needs more=20=20 > airtime. It just needs more something, because as it is it's pretty=20=20 > disappointing. If Cedar Point didn't want air, then why are there two = =20 > boring hills? Hills should give air, that's a given. If Cedar Point=20=20 > wanted speed, then why is so much of the coaster so high in the air=20=20 > where nothing fun happens? It's like they missed every point they=20=20 > were trying to make. >=20 > I don't think Cedar Point should have built another Magnum, and I'm=20=20 > glad they tried something else. They just failed with a boring,=20=20 > incomplete, lazy design. >=20 > Cameron. I just got off the phone w/ Dick Kenzel.... turns out you're right Cameron.= .. they're tearing=20 down Millinium Force, aparently the GP has been wrong this whole time. They= were tricked=20 into waiting in line for it year after year, in hopes that a Turkey Leg sta= nd would be at the=20 end of the queue! Turns out, everyone has opinions... and no one agrees on anything! imagine = that! and in response to your overbanked turns on RB, I hate that coaster for the= same reason=20 you hate MF , it just doesn't do ANYTHING for me. I've told this story to B= rian, Josh, George=20 and Nate the first time I met them (before i was converted into being an ra= ging retarded=20 enthusiast) , that my gf at the time was sick when we went to SFGrAm , and = couldn't=20 stomach eating breakfast or even walking. But did make the comment after we= got off of=20 Raging Bull that she felt better riding it (due to no forces or fun) than s= he did walking=20 through the park...... again this was before I was a biased tool. Go Figure= ! jeremy d. From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 08 11:33:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53780 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 18:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 18:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 18:33:02 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k88IWjCu032698 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:32:45 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:32:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C3535CD-6939-43A0-AB64-AA6FEA156CD8@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:32:35 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2006 18:32:44.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D306AE0:01C6D375] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ebZ1rzHyAxsDboUGZ_M2fP5X3bhQE9C0O7l_AqTJ77QYfgAO X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > I just got off the phone w/ Dick Kenzel.... turns out you're right > Cameron... they're tearing > down Millinium Force Mate, no need to start crying just because I think Cedar Fair and Intamin should have done a much better job with Millennium Force. > and in response to your overbanked turns on RB, I hate that coaster > for the same reason > you hate MF First of all I don't hate Millennium Force. Second of all I'm not a huge fan of Raging Bull either .. Most of the time I go to Six Flags Great America I don't even ride it. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Marigold with blue? * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Are you crazy?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gregleg@gregleg.com Fri Sep 08 12:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39896 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 18:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 18:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 18:58:16 -0000 X-JTAN-Outgoing-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Outgoing-To: X-JTAN-Received: io.jtan.com [207.106.84.135] X-JTAN-Recipient: X-JTAN-AntiSPAM: not spam, Outgoing not scanned X-JTAN-AntiVirus: Found to be clean, Outgoing not scanned Received: from webmail.jtan.com (io.jtan.com [207.106.84.135]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k88Iw7kJ019147 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 166.137.166.108 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1710.166.137.166.108.1157741886.squirrel@166.137.166.108> In-Reply-To: <17483077-862C-4CAE-98F8-54DD3F1370A6@buzzneon.com> References: <17483077-862C-4CAE-98F8-54DD3F1370A6@buzzneon.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:58:06 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=SEajMQ84JR_R1E4Xs8zd2uTy2Wsw1p1dfaRK1NtBsSKi5no X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 >> if intamin is so unreliable, why do parks keep buying their >> coaster products? > Why would someone buy a Honda Civic when a Porsche is a far more > superior car?! > > Because they're cheap! That analogy breaks down in the face of the "reliability" argument, though -- the Civic is not only less expensive (I wouldn't call them "cheap" any more) but more reliable as well... -- -Greg From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 08 12:25:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19111 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 19:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 19:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 19:24:57 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k88Em3iO011091 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <060a01c6d355$ce5f70c0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:48:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=RIaL0YL2aBTppT6dm5Pq_2ZR8Cyqh0A6lNBj9AxZTYW4egF0i8Xvfxr_nQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > meanwhile they tried out Vekoma once for the custom ride system used under > the water on > Rhino Rally which was a disaster, so I don't think you'll see them use > Vekoma ever again. whats wrong with RR? i didnt know they had had any problems with it. someone want to fill me in here? There's a lot of animository over Rhino Rally. Lots of technical problems with that attraction that have included several periods of time when they have to drain the water and work on it. Then there are times when they have had to shut down completely the water ending and only run the ride through the animal section. It's compounded by the problems Busch has had with Land Rover over the crappy vehicals and the day when one toppled over full of guests in the first summer, which led to a complete taming of the land portion of the ride. Then there are guest complaints over long lines due to lack of available drivers and/or functioning vehicals, and more guest complaints that they removed the guest favorite monorail through the animal exhibits in favor of this low capacity monstrosity. In general I think the whole project is just regarded as one of the park's biggest mistakes. From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 08 12:37:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67139 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 19:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 19:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 19:37:11 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k88JaOkN022635 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01cd01c6d37e$16e14580$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <060a01c6d355$ce5f70c0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:36:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=XkzbHVnnBqJ56tsBa8gGJMcWqS91DlJS5Vp92JMACKWLxeNjNGu0W_1xgA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > There's a lot of animository over Rhino Rally. "animository"? How the heck did that slip past the spell checker?! Damn... I meant... ANIMOSITY. > Lots of technical problems with that attraction that have included several > periods of time when they have to drain the water and work on it. Then > there > are times when they have had to shut down completely the water ending and > only run the ride through the animal section. It's compounded by the > problems Busch has had with Land Rover over the crappy vehicals and the > day > when one toppled over full of guests in the first summer, which led to a > complete taming of the land portion of the ride. Then there are guest > complaints over long lines due to lack of available drivers and/or > functioning vehicals, and more guest complaints that they removed the > guest > favorite monorail through the animal exhibits in favor of this low > capacity > monstrosity. In general I think the whole project is just regarded as one > of > the park's biggest mistakes. > > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 08 13:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15265 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 20:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 20:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 20:05:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:04:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:04:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2006 20:04:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:04:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <060a01c6d355$ce5f70c0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ll3uhJSOGkrKB9EO66gHNTahPFCdvS_ZVZhxa7_SmLqLLUbQ6KROquRBmA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > > > meanwhile they tried out Vekoma once for the custom ride system=20 used > under > > the water on > > Rhino Rally which was a disaster, so I don't think you'll see=20 them > use > > Vekoma ever again. >=20 > whats wrong with RR? i didnt know they had had any problems with=20 it. > someone want to fill me in here? >=20 >=20 > There's a lot of animository over Rhino Rally. > Lots of technical problems with that attraction that have included=20 several=20 > periods of time when they have to drain the water and work on it.=20 Then there=20 > are times when they have had to shut down completely the water=20 ending and=20 > only run the ride through the animal section. It's compounded by=20 the=20 > problems Busch has had with Land Rover over the crappy vehicals=20 and the day=20 > when one toppled over full of guests in the first summer, which=20 led to a=20 > complete taming of the land portion of the ride. Then there are=20 guest=20 > complaints over long lines due to lack of available drivers and/or=20 > functioning vehicals, and more guest complaints that they removed=20 the guest=20 > favorite monorail through the animal exhibits in favor of this low=20 capacity=20 > monstrosity. In general I think the whole project is just regarded=20 as one of=20 > the park's biggest mistakes. > i had not heard about any of that, but it makes sense. i knew about=20 the capacity issue, but not the other stuff. ive often felt that for=20 all its publicity it doesnt make a lot of sense. i remember riding=20 it once and thinking "thats it? thats what the big deal is?". even a=20 little kid would probably be more happy on one of the water rides,=20 if the intention is to get wet.=20 it always seemed that it was sort of an attempt to compete with=20 Universal in orlando for the "disaster-themed" ride, but i agree it=20 just cant compete. theres not a lot of payoff in the end. and it is=20 sad that a monorail was torn down for it. so yeah i can see how in=20 the long term it was a bad idea. now if thye would just get ride of Python... From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 08 14:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27733 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 21:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2006 21:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2006 21:04:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1231 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2006 21:04:16 -0000 Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Sep 2006 21:04:15 -0000 In-Reply-To: <1710.166.137.166.108.1157741886.squirrel@166.137.166.108> References: <17483077-862C-4CAE-98F8-54DD3F1370A6@buzzneon.com> <1710.166.137.166.108.1157741886.squirrel@166.137.166.108> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BFE9D38-BF9A-4707-B13E-7ED83CC3E079@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:04:05 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=hzr3woqq7foY0_15vK1HcyM0kdjH6Rq5wfp9fVhtiQl9x8m2 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon On Sep 8, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Greg Legowski wrote: >>> if intamin is so unreliable, why do parks keep buying their >>> coaster products? >> Why would someone buy a Honda Civic when a Porsche is a far more >> superior car?! >> >> Because they're cheap! > > That analogy breaks down in the face of the "reliability" argument, > though > -- the Civic is not only less expensive (I wouldn't call them > "cheap" any > more) but more reliable as well... ?? How many old Hondas do you see on the road? I see old Porsches all the time. I have several friends who've owned late 70s, and early and mid 80s P's that they've use as their daily driver. A Porsche is designed to be driven hard and live for hundreds of thousands of miles. A Civic is designed to commute to work and back until the lease runs out! (I'm not a Porsche guy, I don't even earn 1/10 of what I need to afford an old crappy one .. but to argue that a Civic is a better car is pretty silly :) ) Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Anything, * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Anytime! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From gregleg@gregleg.com Fri Sep 08 17:25:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67541 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 00:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 00:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 00:20:49 -0000 X-JTAN-Outgoing-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Outgoing-To: X-JTAN-Received: thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138] X-JTAN-Recipient: X-JTAN-AntiSPAM: not spam, Outgoing not scanned X-JTAN-AntiVirus: Found to be clean, Outgoing not scanned Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k890DFkJ011348 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:13:16 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c6d3a4$c0609450$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <0BFE9D38-BF9A-4707-B13E-7ED83CC3E079@buzzneon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbTiolabNs2J398QzS/U4FDR1nm+wAGW9QQ X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=FaTSeoiGaY70AUrHz0D39d7dmftOkKzqSWfo_EH0ZExhfak X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > ?? How many old Hondas do you see on the road? I see old > Porsches all > the time. I have several friends who've owned late 70s, and > early and > mid 80s P's that they've use as their daily driver. A Porsche is > designed to be driven hard and live for hundreds of thousands of > miles. A Civic is designed to commute to work and back until the > lease runs out! And I'll bet the Civic will be in the shop a lot less frequently during that lease timeframe. Sure, there are more old Porshes out there, but that's because people will give them boatloads of TLC to KEEP them out there. The Civics get abused until they die (lord knows I don't put ALL the maintenance into mine that I "should", but it's got 100K miles on it and runs as well as it did the day I got it.) > (I'm not a Porsche guy, I don't even earn 1/10 of what I need to > afford an old crappy one .. but to argue that a Civic is a > better car is pretty silly :) ) I didn't SAY the Civic was a better car. I said it was more potentially reliable while being cheaper. But certainly in terms of ride quality, comfort, looks, acceleration, top speed, overall coolness, the Porsche beats it. It depends on what you want OUT of the car. From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sat Sep 09 07:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47990 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 14:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 14:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 14:44:33 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 14:44:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 14:44:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2006 14:44:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:44:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0BFE9D38-BF9A-4707-B13E-7ED83CC3E079@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=dlSYkbiHY0Jy8XGfnzrQvwQexO3lT0qoxzNfAOHemM5nwTzUmnJUJLt7wA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > ?? How many old Hondas do you see on the road? I see old Porsches=20 all=20=20 > the time. I have several friends who've owned late 70s, and early=20 and=20=20 > mid 80s P's that they've use as their daily driver. A Porsche is=20=20 > designed to be driven hard and live for hundreds of thousands of=20=20 > miles. A Civic is designed to commute to work and back until the=20=20 > lease runs out! ever see the repair records for porsches in Consumer Reports,=20 especially the ones made in the 80s? their breakdown rate are=20 attrocious. the only reason you see some still on the road is=20 because like vintage vettes, camaros, firebirds etc, they are=20 collectible. and besides, if you are going to drop that kind of=20 money on a car, you are going to take care of it, and can probably=20 afford the cost for parts and labor.=20 my family has been Honda family for decades, and if any car is meant=20 to be driven hard and live for hundreds and thousands of miles, its=20 Honda. and they can go for a decade easy without a lot of big time=20 repairs, and weve been able to go longer than that on most of the=20 hondas weve owned.=20 =20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 09 08:10:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71106 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 15:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 15:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 15:02:40 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GM4Lr-0001U8-Ei for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4502D78E.7020803@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:02:38 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d478509ac0f1770e54378f95455ee1ba0aa9e5c61cfd62608284350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=XWNimQXvjMwWmI-HXSPveLpsYw8rr3TQ2CF_SPuDsrQjtko X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Doug Nelson wrote: > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com > , "Lance Hart" > wrote: > > > meanwhile they tried out Vekoma once for the custom ride system used > under > > the water on > > Rhino Rally which was a disaster, so I don't think you'll see them > use > > Vekoma ever again. > > whats wrong with RR? i didnt know they had had any problems with it. > someone want to fill me in here? > Where to begin? Multiple breakdowns every day, where the water portion has to be closed entirely and the ride run only as the "land safari". It's not unusual to have to do 3 or 4 evacuations a week of land rovers stuck on the water with passengers in them. During my 6 months there I was personally involved in 4 of them, and stayed in the station or driving land rovers during several others. There are 5 carriages that should be able to hold land rovers and operate for the ride, but they're never able to operate more than 3, and usually have to run only 2, because of the problems- mechanical and electrical- that would cause stoppages of the ride. I could go on and on, but suffice to say that there's good reason they're planning on ripping out the water portion and redoing. And having a certain company that we've been talking about in this thread redo it for them so that it works right. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 09 12:59:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82905 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2006 19:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2006 19:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2006 19:59:37 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k89INNbw016774 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 14:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0a8801c6d43d$0f66b280$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 14:23:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: BG and Intamin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=b9UvN1rSmUCnKR27C4m34US40LFbn0dUF9OV8Rq2yZ8_CzT9-4lzakDQDg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>now if thye would just get ride of Python... Give it a few more weeks... it's on the way out. For more info, check screamscape.com and the BGT page there. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 09 17:41:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68496 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 00:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2006 00:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 00:24:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 00:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 00:24:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:24:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0223D65D-1A46-4099-827B-95E4C6EB6056@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.247.23 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=JzzRrcUFxaaTl88YYST8m894W5IUpax90Ydg77ID9iAqsXjLt_xy X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > But my point is that it simply doesn't feel fast. [snip] Don't put changes of direction a mile up in the air where there are no close objects and the train is moving slowly. And then don't put lame tunnels over the few parts of the layout that are actually near the ground. < I completely agree with this. It might have been better to have placed arches along the ground-hugging route rather than tunnels.=20 Lots of tall bushes would have helped as well. There was so much more that could have been done around the island and water. It simply wasn't an inspired design. But then, CP never marketed the design -- just the height, drop and speed. And that's pretty much all the ride is (except I never really feel like I'm going 95 mph, just like TTD never feels like 120 mph). > They just failed with a boring, incomplete, lazy design. < I wonder how they determine a coaster's final cost. Do they get designs from Intamin that cost different amounts and then pick one that fits their budget? Or do they tell Intamin, "Make the coaster travel here," and then end up with whatever the cost is? Does anyone remember when Intamin had to re-engineer the structure of MF's lift hill, because they discovered wind shear was more of a problem than they anticipated? I wonder if that was factored into the cost or whether Intamin had to eat that. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 10 01:46:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40478 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 08:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2006 08:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 08:43:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 08:43:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 08:43:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:43:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060906204336.44653.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=vUSIRzpxII-r8Oh2TXmgPMs6WzIFBm5W7WQCc1mvcXliSovvtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 > >MF really should have beaten them all, but alas....=20 I never understand all the MF bashing that goes on. CP is the park=20 with the most rampant fanboyism and the Intamin fanboys are pretty=20 rambunctious too. I don't like CP at all, and I'd rather ride just=20 about any B&M over an Intamin anyday, but MF is still my #1 steel.=20 I've 'only' got about six or seven laps on it in two trips out to=20 the Point, and i seem to get 'stuck in the 5th to 8th row every=20 time. I've never had less than firm floater air on the two hills out=20 and back from the island, I feel that the sensation of speed is=20 fantastic on the island as well as in the overbanks and that it's=20 probably one of the first drops on any coaster anywhere.=20 I've been on EGF, Goliath (Europe) and all three S:RoS, so I have=20 plenty of Intamins to compare it to. I've been on more than half of=20 the B&M hypers, and they are nice, but not as good as the Intamins.=20 The catch is like the (interminable) discussion that spun off of the=20 Griffon thread about 'forceless' B&M's all of this (including my own=20 post) is matter of personal opinion. There's probably some French=20 kid sitting in Paris right now trying to convince his buddies that=20 Gouderix is the best coaster in the world, and to him, he's right.=20 Chris B From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 10 14:59:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49591 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2006 21:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2006 21:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2006 21:57:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2006 21:57:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: BGT construction? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=majUHkUd31PrM2Cs-qDaubf4Ybbgr48gd2qAxfYPpGyZ2EtgqjzNiJhRuA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 so as i was going up the lift hill of gwazi, it looked like there were=20 a bunch of this metal supportsin the empty area on the ground between=20 grazi and land of the dragons. anyone know what they are for? they=20 arent coaster supports, maybe something for howl-o-scream? they looked=20 maybe like scafolding. anyone been recently that knows what these are=20 for?=20 From serpmage@juno.com Sun Sep 10 20:25:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: serpmage@juno.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20895 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 03:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 03:22:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.164) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 03:22:22 -0000 Received: from webmail26.lax.untd.com (webmail26.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.166]) by smtpout07.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCSKXQAAY2CJ7S for (sender ); Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:19:28 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: hDpjfWVATT/I0Ozg9H6hAI7bKXwOo41cciWEo4y9E67dZVDSTyfZEQ== Received: (from serpmage@juno.com) by webmail26.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LZX47LD8; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:18:32 PDT Received: from [68.48.242.16] by webmail26.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:18:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 03:18:02 GMT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20060910.201832.23349.911744@webmail26.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:449030678 X-MAIL-INFO:56ed204df53554f58d8d35895489102d210c39bd0d496109d90c212445f025f561 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.166|webmail26.lax.untd.com|webmail26.lax.untd.com|serpmage@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.28.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Tim N." Subject: Griffon update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64263944; y=4aB6A3WfeASu-ZkNRtpIEspiPivy1JfuRI0ZAAdYkO8wziYxgg X-Yahoo-Profile: crepehangr Just thought a few people would be intersted to hear that I was at BGE today and saw a couple of footers for Griffon already poured, as well a bit of a pit being dug in the middle of the clearing, ostensibly for the splashdown area. Sorry I didn't bring my camera to show them off though. On a side note, all of the coasters were running in top form today, though Nessie didn't appear in her cave. It may just have been that it's been a long time since I've ridden them, but I think I had the best rides on both Alpie and Apollo's that I've ever had. If I get time tomorrow, I'll write up a little bit of a trip report. Tim N. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! From coasterclown@hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 21:07:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74301 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 04:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 04:07:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 04:07:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 04:07:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 04:07:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 04:07:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:07:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=zntroAPpvuYk9cgt0pO5IljF7Qt2xlEAm38mJBKFnZT99zFBnA X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > The catch is like the (interminable) discussion that spun off of the=20 > Griffon thread about 'forceless' B&M's all of this (including my own=20 > post) is matter of personal opinion. There's probably some French=20 > kid sitting in Paris right now trying to convince his buddies that=20 > Gouderix is the best coaster in the world, and to him, he's right.=20 >=20 > Chris B Finally, that's what i *tried* to get across in a previous post... opinions= happen and should be=20 accepted. but blatent bashing over anything one company does is different. As far as Intamin's and B&M's go , I've ridden 2 S:ROS' and thinks that SFN= E's is *too much*=20 air , and of the 3 B&M Hypers I've ridden, Nitro is a close 3rd to my MF. T= o me it's all about=20 having fun, and having a bruised lap after 1 or 2 laps on SFNE's S:ROS ....= that's NOT that=20 much fun! But 10 trips on Nitro at night in October.... now that's what I c= all fun! jeremy d. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 01:28:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60127 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 08:28:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 08:28:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 08:28:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 08:28:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:28:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=yFzGMbpkl-CoBI8Vo0D3VBAu5APO5I661dCGBSUE1QAVe0uhBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "djbosshogg"=20 wrote: > Finally, that's what i *tried* to get across in a previous post...=20 opinions happen and should be=20 > accepted. but blatent bashing over anything one company does is=20 different. >=20 > As far as Intamin's and B&M's go , I've ridden 2 S:ROS' and thinks=20 that SFNE's is *too much*=20 > air , and of the 3 B&M Hypers I've ridden, Nitro is a close 3rd to=20 my MF. To me it's all about=20 > having fun, and having a bruised lap after 1 or 2 laps on SFNE's=20 S:ROS .... that's NOT that=20 > much fun! But 10 trips on Nitro at night in October.... now that's=20 what I call fun! >=20 > jeremy d. > Thanks, Jeremy. I don't get to post NEARLY as much as I'd like to=20 lately, but I have definitely wanted to comment on a lot of the=20 discussion around here lately. I was hoping that 'they' would spin=20 down on thier own or somenone would put an end to it. I enjoy=20 reading this groups posts more than anywhere else on the net I can=20 get to, and I am worried that either it is spiraling down to=20 nonexistence or that it will become a bashing ground like so much of=20 the internet is.=20 On a positive note, barring the breakout of World War 3 in the next=20 24 days, I have gone to sea for the last time for at least the next=20 three years! I fly out of Japan on the 6th of October.=20 If anyone is interested, I am hoping to get to my new home park,=20 (6FGAm) on the 15th of October to close out my coaster season. If=20 anyone is interested, let me know! Chris B From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 01:38:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64590 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 08:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 08:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 08:37:20 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 08:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 08:36:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 08:36:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:36:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.237.152.202 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: TR: SFMM, Friday, Sep. 8, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=9mq9Ii6PCnd2m1-jPrIhFHDFbQjPEQk8yoMTxYmO9VrW1vwxWZyf X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I hadn't been to SFMM since last December, so this was my first time to ride Tatsu, my first flying coaster. I'll make this short and just post a few notes: 1. Crowds were very light. Many coasters were walk-ons, including my second trip on Tatsu, late in the afternoon. We got at least one ride on everything we wanted that was open, with the notable exception of Riddler's Revenge. I got in line at about 2:35 and noticed that the cycles were taking a really long time; they were churning people through, but they seemed to be having a lot of trouble with the restraints, causing a lot of downtime between rides. By about 3:10 I had moved about halfway closer to the front of the line and decided to leave, after which we noticed the train going through a couple of times on test runs without riders... not a good sign. 2. About the only down side to the lack of crowds was that about half of the places to eat were closed, but we had some pretty decent panini sandwiches for lunch at "Buon Gusto" over in the Cyclone Bay area. 3. X was closed; an operator on the Log Jammer said it had been closed for a month and would be closed for another month. I assume it's routine maintenance. 4. Tatsu! This ride was awesome. My thoughts as I went through the ride: "This position feels really weird." "This lift is fast." "This thing is really big." "Wheee! I'm flying! I'm flying!" "Holy crap. Aaaaiiigh!" "Whoa. That was great!" "Sitting here prone waiting to move into the station kinda sucks." 5. I was happy to see that by opening up the pathway alongside Tatsu they've now doubled the number of ways up the mountain compared to my last visit. Unfortunately the Sky Tower was still closed. So was the Orient Express. Also the Go-Karts, Circus Wheel, Sierra Twist, and, of course, Freefall, Flashback, and the Metro. 6. My wife took my advice and rode Psyclone wedging in her lower body while leaving her upper body loose. She said it was the first time she had ridden it without it hurting, and that it was a pretty fun ride that way. 7. I think Scream is perhaps the best coaster that does the least for its park. It's really a fine machine but it seems totally redundant at SFMM; I think it would really be happier somewhere else. 8. Upon riding the Canyon Blaster in Bugs Bunny World, I became one of the few people to have ridden every coaster that had ever been at Magic Mountain. I've been on all 17 coasters currently in the park (including Flashback and Goliath Jr.) along with the Mountain Express, Sarajevo Bobsleds, and Shockwave, all while they were installed at Magic Mountain. Do I win a prize? Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 11 06:18:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1644 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 13:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 13:16:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 13:16:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 13:15:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 13:15:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 13:15:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:15:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060910.201832.23349.911744@webmail26.lax.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Griffon update X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=VxyQUisPHsFHqK5TGAHPGCypgbSOJKUuBMLMtPfgdEf4dXoDK0Dyxdsbgg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Tim N." =20 wrote: > On a side note, all of the coasters were running in top form today, > though Nessie didn't appear in her cave. It may just have been that > it's been a long time since I've ridden them, but I think I had the > best rides on both Alpie and Apollo's that I've ever had. If I get > time tomorrow, I'll write up a little bit of a trip report. yeah BGA was great sunday too. everything was running at least 2=20 trains, and the longest i had to wait for front rows on everything was=20 maybe 15 minutes. and the Howl-O-Scream stuff that was already set up=20 look great too. definitely one of the best days ive had there.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 11 06:30:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14670 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 13:24:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 13:24:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:24:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: TR: SFMM, Friday, Sep. 8, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=oHsRsC-lSCJn5x1jZxanWM96GoNDPpVYjmsP6JFI4oL3uv5IJOcEwgGORw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > "Sitting here prone waiting to move into the station kinda sucks." tell me about it-i got stuck on the brakes on SUF @ SFOG for half an=20 hour one time.=20 >Unfortunately the Sky Tower was still closed. So was the > Orient Express. Also the Go-Karts, Circus Wheel, Sierra Twist, and,=20 of > course, Freefall, Flashback, and the Metro. so whats going on with S:TE? they ever decide what they are going to=20 do with it?=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 09:33:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56652 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 16:24:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 16:24:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 16:24:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:24:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: SFMM, Friday, Sep. 8, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=uORaBsZAi0k7b1f1ShvURATSN5jQc9fjYm9ubaIF1_sVm6rdr86P X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > so whats going on with S:TE? they ever decide what they are going to=20 > do with it? On Friday only the left station was open; the last time I had visited=20 (December 2005), only the right station was open. No idea beyond that.=20 Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 11:28:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42149 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 18:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 18:22:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 18:22:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 18:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 18:21:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2006 18:21:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:21:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Busch_Gardens_Europe_Goes_Over_the_Edge_with_=93Griffon=94?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=IfwW9GyN2u4oobzN7ENN7y9l4VGWKM_U0N1JnNUpv1FVv_g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: >SNIP< > Obviously someone found an anti-gravity cannon Where can I get one?! :p -Alan (Who would have responded MUCH earlier, but has been down with=20 the flu. It's here about a month early this year, and boy is it a=20 doosey.) From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Mon Sep 11 15:08:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46239 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2006 22:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Sep 2006 22:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2006 22:04:14 -0000 Received: from rcgate.vnet.wnec.edu ([141.154.140.63]:58052 helo=[10.4.18.247]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GMtsy-0002YS-68 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:04:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <8474bf97e1f4f186f48fdc8b80a71924@law.wnec.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:04:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Cruise Visits SFA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=pDfwia4i5EMxpBR8NG7970ZKNrsKVsC5baZfFeFRHj6QT_uPrZG4zg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.wonkette.com/politics/tom-cruise/dc-visit-marks-official-=20 end-of-tom-cruises-career-199880.php > According to Amy and Roxanne, Cruise spent yesterday at Six Flags=20=20 > (yeesh =97 that place is still open?), where they participated in a=20=20 > =93closing ceremony at end of the night with the park characters and=20=20 > employees, where Cruise and Snyder led the kids in the Electric Slide, = =20 > Hokey Pokey and limbo in the park=92s town square.=94 So, yes, this does = =20 > mean that the gates of hell have opened and the damned are walking the = =20 > Earth. In the event of rapture, this blog will continue uninterrupted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 17:06:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75366 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 00:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2006 00:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 00:02:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 00:02:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 00:02:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:02:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.253.14 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Airtime on MF X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=eFQBVo7sMtgDyMebJAXhO51nG9rUxW9c5nAA7GlLWnX1GHiK6qef X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I've ridden 2 S:ROS' and thinks that SFNE's is *too much* air < OMG! How is "too much air" a bad thing? I'd like the coaster even more if it weren't for those few moments of positive Gs! :-) > and having a bruised lap after 1 or 2 laps on SFNE's S:ROS < Perhaps your lap bar was a bit too low. In all the times I've ridden it, I've never gotten bruised. But I always keep about two inches between the bar and my lap. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 17:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85283 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 00:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2006 00:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 00:04:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 00:04:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 00:04:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:04:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.253.14 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: SFMM, Friday, Sep. 8, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=h9p4-fmX4txRUzYhQGZ9shi0J46Ug1lWjLxe267v8jcBLf1Bs5d1 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > along with the Mountain Express, Sarajevo Bobsleds, and Shockwave, all while they were installed at Magic Mountain. Do I win a prize? < Our humble admiration, and a request for your impressions of how those original coasters compare to the fare currently offered at the park. Jay From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Mon Sep 11 18:18:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76045 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 01:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2006 01:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 01:18:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 01:17:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 01:17:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 01:17:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:17:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.181 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: TR: SFMM, Friday, Sep. 8, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=TxCq4UkJKb1SmeqLqzdz2R6f1ccMQx26KI5vaF2EZ0Y_ExkKbMoy X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani I wrote: > > along with the Mountain Express, Sarajevo Bobsleds, and=20 Shockwave, > > all while they were installed at Magic Mountain. Do I win a=20 prize? Jay Ducharme:=20 > Our humble admiration, and a request for your impressions of how=20 > those original coasters compare to the fare currently offered at=20 the > park. Mountain Express: When I first visited MM sometime circa 1980, I was=20 only seven years old and this was one of only five coasters at the=20 park, the others being Gold Rusher, the Clown Coaster (now Goliath=20 Jr.), a lap-bar-only Revolution, and Colossus. I don't think I rode=20 the latter two, and this one was about as extreme a ride as I could=20 take at the time, and it was a real blast. According to the IMDB, it=20 was a Schwarzkopf 65m Wildcat and is now in Mexico. It was painted=20 green at the time. Obviously it's not the sort of thing that would=20 turn heads today, but it did provide a useful intermediate step for=20 a kid working his way up the coaster ladder; I think the park would=20 be better if it had more rides of a family-level intensity like=20 this.=20 Sarajevo Bobsleds: If I'm not mistaken, this and Shockwave used the=20 same loading station now being used by Psyclone. I'd have to think=20 that if they'd kept this ride, they would have had to change the=20 name sometime in the early '90s. Anyway, you can see this now at=20 SFOT as La Vibora, which I've never been to. It opened in 1984 (the=20 Winter Olympics were in Sarajevo that year) and closed just a couple=20 of years later. I may have only been on it once and don't have a=20 real good memory of it. But I do remember thinking it was a=20 fascinating ride, and the one that I would most be interested in=20 seeing again, even if it didn't add up to a particularly=20 overwhelming experience. Again, this would be another example of a=20 fun, different ride experience that isn't an extreme thrill. Shockwave: I think I must have been on this more times than the=20 others, and more recently, but to be honest I have very little=20 memory of it. The RCDB indicates that this is being moved to SFDL.=20 After this closed (rumors were that it was sinking into the ground),=20 the only inversion in the entire park was on the Revolution. This=20 was about as extreme as it got until Viper opened in 1990, when I=20 was in 11th grade. The funny thing is that even back then, MM was known as the big=20 thrill-seeker's park next to its competition in Southern California.=20 Roaring Rapids was the heaviest water ride in SoCal at the time, and=20 MM also had things like "Z-Force," a Looping Starship located where=20 Batman is now, a dance club for teenagers next to that, the Ninja,=20 etc. Montezooma's Revenge was the most intense ride at Knott's and=20 Star Tours was the latest and greatest at Disneyland.=20 Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From lance@screamscape.com Mon Sep 11 20:28:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94241 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 03:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2006 03:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 03:28:24 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8C3SLLO009611 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <036701c6d61b$7fb7f0a0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:28:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TR: SFMM, Friday, Sep. 8, 2006 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=3iWv0Wjv1T8G5_u--vAyu23CGwK41PIu-Ysr3V7c5nFiHn7uoDzz1c_n8g X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > along with the Mountain Express, Sarajevo Bobsleds, and Shockwave, all while they were installed at Magic Mountain. Do I win a prize? < Well, I've got those three under my belt too, but I haven't tried the current crop of kiddie coasters or the two new biguns (Scream & the flyer...) Though you know, I kind of miss seeing the Mountain Express in the front of the park. It was kind of near where they put Flashback down as I seem to recall... Bobsleds... eeehh... they were disapointing then and still disapointing to ride at SFOT. Shockwave I missed though... I like Riddler's better of course. ;-) It just didn't survive being moved around very well over the years and by the time I rode it again at Astroworld, it wasn't the same ride anymore. From coasterclown@hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 21:16:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30973 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 04:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2006 04:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 04:15:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 04:15:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 04:15:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 04:15:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:15:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8474bf97e1f4f186f48fdc8b80a71924@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Cruise Visits SFA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=Gb1J02T2umM28y9FPIhQLgAsi9XMkAWvoW5w2o8W1dHrHMevGA X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Bill Childs wrote: > > http://www.wonkette.com/politics/tom-cruise/dc-visit-marks-official-=20 > end-of-tom-cruises-career-199880.php >=20 > > According to Amy and Roxanne, Cruise spent yesterday at Six Flags=20=20 > > (yeesh =97 that place is still open?), where they participated in a = =20 > > "closing ceremony at end of the night with the park characters and=20=20 > > employees, where Cruise and Snyder led the kids in the Electric Slide, = =20 > > Hokey Pokey and limbo in the park's town square." So, yes, this does = =20 > > mean that the gates of hell have opened and the damned are walking the = =20 > > Earth. In the event of rapture, this blog will continue uninterrupted. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > so I guess he's not allowed at the Paramont Parks now huh?? his season pass must've been revoked when Hollywood kicked his goofy ass ou= t of town! wonder if he played any games to win his baby a MASTER P doll? jeremy From dougjnelson@gmail.com Tue Sep 12 11:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70744 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 18:48:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2006 18:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 18:48:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 18:46:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 18:46:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2006 18:46:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:46:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Cypress Gardens files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=ozVn4J2HgHIzKNR6FAC9yGFqHf7R_OyMK5KfnMzGbOoedwi7e5TzNn_HQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 Cypress Garden files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Associated Press WINTER HAVEN, Fla. - Cypress Gardens, the 70-year-old theme park=20 saved from the wrecking ball two years ago, filed for Chapter 11=20 bankruptcy protection, citing debts incurred after it was hit by=20 three hurricanes in 2004. The park, one of the oldest in Florida, will remain open and no=20 major cutbacks are planned, said Ward Stone Jr., a Macon, Ga.,=20 attorney who filed the bankruptcy petition Monday in federal court=20 in Georgia. "All passes will be honored, all discounts will be honored," Stone=20 said Tuesday. "There will be no interruption or changes in=20 operations. It will be business as usual." Cypress Gardens opened in 1936 and was a hit for decades, but it was=20 unable to compete with the sophisticated attractions at nearby Walt=20 Disney World, Universal Studios and Busch Gardens. It closed in 2003. Valdosta, Ga., theme park operator Kent Buescher bought Cypress=20 Gardens for $7 million under a complicated deal that involved state=20 and local government and a nonprofit conservation group. It reopened=20 in December 2004, after delays caused by the hurricanes. http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/business/15501148.htm From gregleg@gregleg.com Tue Sep 12 12:31:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19730 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2006 19:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2006 19:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2006 19:22:56 -0000 X-JTAN-Outgoing-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Outgoing-To: X-JTAN-Received: io.jtan.com [207.106.84.135] X-JTAN-Recipient: X-JTAN-AntiSPAM: not spam, Outgoing not scanned X-JTAN-AntiVirus: Found to be clean, Outgoing not scanned Received: from webmail.jtan.com (io.jtan.com [207.106.84.135]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8CJHa9J029391 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.165.27.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gregleg); by webmail.jtan.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41375.12.165.27.130.1158088656.squirrel@12.165.27.130> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:17:36 -0400 (EDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Cypress Gardens files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=gvfGxjfti5eRYTZL1FIjHeIIwK0DmObTibxz5sGobc12NL4 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 I hope this place makes it through, since it really is a gorgeous park with a cute little rides selection. --Greg From cameron@buzzneon.com Wed Sep 13 08:27:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 959 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2006 15:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2006 15:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2006 15:21:40 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k8DFLcE4025636 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:21:38 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:21:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Coaster Talk Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:21:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2006 15:21:38.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ED33700:01C6D748] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=Wpegpg7JvTtVQCQZE0-Qa1vHV0i0oHYlR6ZIv2BqwOtXq2Ok X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Hi, I will be in Orlando from October 18th -> 22nd with the Alveys and some other friends. They have all been to BGT before, so they're only planning on going Saturday evening. However I'd really like to spend a whole day there as I've never been. Do any of the local Floridians want to do Busch Gardens on Saturday 21st? I won't have a car, so it would require schlepping up to Orlando to pick me up, but I would ride back with the Alvey's on Saturday night so you won't have to take me back. I would of course treat said-driver to lunch or something ... Thanks, Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** Sandour 21 * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** Sandour 22 * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Sep 13 18:38:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1752 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 01:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 01:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 01:34:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 01:34:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 01:34:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:34:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=gpb0MOBrz139bJQNwdlDmBNVMRA2e8rNnywRpgb8E1Z4IhoNxRzpiKVnJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver=20 wrote: > >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I will be in Orlando from October 18th -> 22nd with the Alveys=20 and=20=20 > some other friends. They have all been to BGT before, so they're=20 only=20=20 > planning on going Saturday evening. However I'd really like to=20 spend=20=20 > a whole day there as I've never been. >=20 > Do any of the local Floridians want to do Busch Gardens on=20 Saturday=20=20 > 21st? I won't have a car, so it would require schlepping up to=20=20 > Orlando to pick me up, but I would ride back with the Alvey's on=20=20 > Saturday night so you won't have to take me back. I would of=20 course=20=20 > treat said-driver to lunch or something ... >=20 > Thanks, > Cameron. cam, if we had more than one car id probably do it, but seeing that=20 we dont i cant in good conscience do it, not all the way to orlando.=20 i dont think my wife and 10 month old would go for that, should they=20 need the car. if you figure out a way down here though id be happy=20 to go with you though.=20 From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Sep 14 12:12:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29071 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 19:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 19:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 19:10:39 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GNwbB-00021K-JU for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:10:09 -0400 Message-ID: <4509A90B.2030402@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:10:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47800df650746cd6c7eba20c0182d32350d0e3ee9473917be1b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=LVr3aSBXervVcJ2UNNaJiFxplIKMkqkDujFFh-E-iSwLTGY X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Cameron Silver wrote: > Do any of the local Floridians want to do Busch Gardens on Saturday > 21st? I won't have a car, so it would require schlepping up to > Orlando to pick me up, but I would ride back with the Alvey's on > Saturday night so you won't have to take me back. I would of course > treat said-driver to lunch or something ... hey Cam Saturdays are a bit tough for me to get off, but I'll see what I can do for you. If I can manage to get it off, I'll be happy to take you to the park since I don't live that far outside of Orlando. You are aware that Busch will be doing their Halloween Horror Nights that day, and that the park will be closing early as a result? They close the park at 5 or 6 and kick everyone out. Then you'll have to have another ticket to get back in. I'm sure the Alvey's are aware of that, but wanted to make sure you knew. So will I have to watch out for you guys at the Studios those days? :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 13:27:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6560 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 20:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 20:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 20:27:31 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:27:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:27:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:27:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:27:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.226.172.29 From: "WILEY" Subject: INTAMIN INFORMATION NEEDED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=8xt3PqOW59v8LKyW4cxQtQxB9L1By11eHg5MUzs-xpf0-qflc1Mf7u8bENPFivBv X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Hi All, I am doing a research paper for college on LIM/LSM systems and=20 how they have changed roller coaster designs in the last few years.=20=20 Does anyone know a good way to get ahold of Intamin/Intaride (other=20 than their web site)? I am hoping that they can provide me with=20 information on how the sytstems work and how they are being used to=20 change rollercoaster designs. Thanks in advance for your help. Wiley From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 13:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9405 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 20:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 20:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 20:37:02 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:36:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:36:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:36:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:36:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park ride turns tragic for teener X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-Xq35nETCuVccykvZ3bss_-U7AasZVfukp_zqUENicINUy0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09/11/2006 The Inquirer http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/metroregions/view_article.php? article_id=3D20380 By Jocelyn Uy Pasay City, Manila -- A night of fun turned tragic when a 13-y.o.=20 girl accidentally fell to her death from a height of 38' while riding=20 in one of the attractions at a Pasay City amusement park, police said. The victim was identified as Rachel Gem Suba, a resident of Dagupan=20 Street in Tondo, Manila. She fell Saturday from one of the log boats=20 on the Wild River ride, one of the attractions at Star City at the=20 Cultural Center of the Philippines complex on Roxas Blvd. Shennies Manuel, Suba's friend, told the police the victim suddenly=20 felt dizzy and stood up from her seat while they were at the ride's=20 highest point. "The victim was thrown out of the boat and fell to the=20 ground," investigator PO3 Reynaldo Aguba said in his report. Suba was rushed to the San Juan De Dios hospital where Dr. Reginaldo=20 Panopio declared her dead on arrival at 12:42 a.m. on Sunday. Her=20 injuries, according to Aguba, included a fractured left thigh,=20 lacerations on her chin and a hematoma on her chest. The police have yet to determine whether to hold the establishment=20 liable for Suba's accident as it is still under investigation. In a statement, Star Parks Corp., which manages the amusement park,=20 said "the accident that occurred is not in any way the result of any=20 mechanical defect in the ride." It added that it was still gathering details about the=20 incident. "Star City deeply regrets the incident and assures the=20 victim's family of its full assistance," the company said. --------- Copyright 2001-2006 INQ7 Interactive, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 13:41:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72052 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 20:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 20:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 20:32:20 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:31:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:31:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:31:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Lawsuit seeks to block Adventure Park annexation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=f2SwRGcGPd9Aj31UDy69-Qm8dAcNjPAxbXofdzMY7W_98U0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept. 14, 2006 The Gazette http://www.gazette.net/stories/091406/frednew190840_31957.shtml by Patrick Dunne New Market , MD -- The reasons why a lawsuit was filed to prevent=20 Adventure Park USA from annexing into New Market remains a mystery to=20 the town's mayor. Owners of Intercoastal Industrial Center filed a lawsuit Sept. 6 to=20 block the annexation of APUSA into the town. IIC says the land should be part of a larger industrial park. IIC sold a 204-acre lot to Larry Stottlemeyer and APUSA in September=20 2004. The contract stipulated park owners could not approach the town=20 with annexation plans and must abide by Frederick County zoning laws. Mayor Winslow Burhans III questioned IIC's motive for wanting to=20 block the annexation. "They're the ones that have to make the case,"=20 Burhans said. "I don't think they can. ... How are they going to win=20 a lawsuit if they can't be up-front?" The mayor maintains that the town approached the park with annexation=20 plans years before plans were made public this summer. The town scheduled a public hearing on the annexation Sept. 6, but=20 rescheduled for Oct. 11 due to lack of quorum. "We're not sure if=20 town will become involved in the lawsuit, but clearly we'll be=20 keeping an eye on it," he said. "This should be a feel-good thing for=20 everyone, not only the town or APUSA, but the whole region. Someone's=20 trying to rain on our parade." Stottlemeyer, who could not be reached prior to The Gazette's press=20 time, consented to the annexation on July 20. Miles and Stockbridge P.C., lawyers representing Clarksburg-based=20 IIC, filed a lawsuit claiming APUSA breached its contract and should=20 cease all annexation plans. Calls to IIC were not returned before The Gazette's press time on=20 Wednesday. The lawsuit states APUSA chose to "ignore the clear meaning and=20 intent" of the covenants and inappropriately gave New Market the=20 consent needed to annex. Thomas Lynch III, of Miles and Stockbridge, sent a letter to New=20 Market town leaders informing them of the lawsuit and requesting they=20 cease annexation. Lynch declined to comment further on what was written in the lawsuit=20 and letter to the town. The industrial park was meant to develop as a "uniform project,"=20 according to the lawsuit. Annexing into the town would break the=20 uniformity of the IIC park. "It makes no sense from a planning⁄ development standpoint to divide an existing [project] between 2=20 separate governmental jurisdictions," Lynch stated in the letter. According to the lawsuit, the town expressed interest in annexing the=20 park to increase its tax base since the early 1990s. Knowing the town was interested in annexing APUSA, an amendment was=20 added to the covenants preventing the park from approaching the town. Burhans said the town could be more responsive to park growth than=20 the county. In return for annexing into town limits, New Market would=20 place APUSA under recently created "amusement park" zoning. IIC owners knew of the town's interest in acquiring APUSA, and Lynch,=20 in his letter to the town, said that reaping an economic windfall is=20 not a substantial reason for APUSA to break its contract with IIC. ------------ =A9 2006 The Gazette From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 13:50:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68656 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 20:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 20:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 20:46:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:45:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:45:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 20:45:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:45:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Family Fun Screams Into Idlewild Park With Hallowboo! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=mguYkVo6wYmztCZGUYNkcQZtO0dZM0j6wbog-d6rYk56LCM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 13, 2006 Press Release: Kennywood Entertainment Yahoo! Finance PRNewswire http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060913/clwv034.html?.v=3D1 LIGONIER, PA. -- For the 2nd consecutive autumn, amusement park fans,=20 families and kids looking for an alternative to the more frightening=20 events of the season will be treated to "Hallowboo!" beginning=20 October 7th at Idlewild Park - one of the "best kid's parks" in the=20 world. "We didn't know what to expect with our 1st Hallowboo! event last=20 fall, but it a was huge success and exceeded our wildest expectations=20 and those of our guests too," said Brandon Leonatti, GM of=20 IP. "Hallowboo! is back and better than ever. And, I am confident in=20 making a prediction that Hallowboo! will become another wonderful=20 family fun tradition at IP. Families and kids will love it!" Many of the park's most popular rides and attractions in Olde=20 Idlewild, Jumpin' Jungle, Hootin' Holler, Raccoon Lagoon and Story=20 Book Forest will be completely redesigned and redecorated in fun=20 Halloween themes. Also, a wide variety of family friendly=20 entertainment will be provided such as Trick or Treating throughout=20 Story Book Forest sponsored by Boyer Candy, Giant Eagle, McDonald's=20 and Snyder's of Berlin; a walk-through hay bale maze; the Haunted=20 Hollow train ride; and 2 themed shows performed 3 times per day.=20 Spookier attractions include "Confusing Hilda's," an eerie house=20 where Guests see strange and unusual things and "The Parlor" - a tour=20 of a creepy funeral home. Concessions include many fall favorites,=20 plus some brand new menu items such as sausage bowls, Charley Biggs'=20 Chicken, and a fall version of the park's signature Cyclone Cone. In addition, several special fun events are scheduled. For example,=20 on October 8, Froggy 94.5 FM will present the "Haunted Hearse." On=20 October 14, Star 100.7 FM will be on-site from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.=20 And, on October 28, kids can join Radio Disney (560 AM) in Olde=20 Idlewild for games, trivia, music and fun. Idlewild's Hallowboo! is open October 7-8, 14-15, 21-22 and 28-29=20 from Noon to 6:00 p.m. Story Book Forest will close at 5:30 p.m.=20 Guests pay only one admission to stay all day. Tickets are available=20 at the gate on event days or in advance by calling 724.238.6784.=20 Admission is $15.95 for ages 3 and over (children 2 and under get in=20 free). All 2006 season pass holders can experience Hallowboo! every=20 day for free. A special rate of only $8.95 is available for groups of=20 15 or more and valuable $4.00 discount coupons are available at=20 participating Giant Eagle locations. -------- Source: Kennywood Entertainment =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 PR Newswire From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 14 13:54:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 232 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 20:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 20:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 20:50:39 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 78so116522ugn for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.18 with SMTP id u18mr5044944ugm; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:50:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4509A90B.2030402@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4509A90B.2030402@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=597KAjj7OsxN6jjeD0XcpB2rMjlBItUUxhC1BbjkDzN7dGwjT9U8ebo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 Does Busch Gardens still offer a bus from Orlando to Tampa? I think it costs a (small) amount of money, but perhaps that's an option for you. You could just use the Orlando-Tampa portion, stay in Tampa, and meet the Alvey's there the next day if the bus is still around. -Nate From coastermanokc@cox.net Thu Sep 14 14:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coastermanokc@cox.net X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29174 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 21:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 21:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO centrmmtao01.cox.net) (70.168.83.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 21:04:39 -0000 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060914210437.OOWH24246.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:04:37 -0400 Received: from MYCOMPUTER ([68.229.223.250]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id NM4H1V0075Qm0LL0000000 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:04:18 -0400 To: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:04:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c6d841$5e7d9480$fadfe544@MYCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcbYPD//QIxqioWYSneIR6hOmO6/8wABOcig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Originating-IP: 70.168.83.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] INTAMIN INFORMATION NEEDED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=272325397; y=FxUNuxBp88N_TRRJ2qgbYBN0VZaigHHL5m959N_pyDn9_3k7UWvH-w X-Yahoo-Profile: coastermanokc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could also try Premier Rides although I do not know their information off hand. Michael Lopez _____ From: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WILEY Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:27 PM To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] INTAMIN INFORMATION NEEDED Hi All, I am doing a research paper for college on LIM/LSM systems and how they have changed roller coaster designs in the last few years. Does anyone know a good way to get ahold of Intamin/Intaride (other than their web site)? I am hoping that they can provide me with information on how the sytstems work and how they are being used to change rollercoaster designs. Thanks in advance for your help. Wiley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 14 14:24:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33955 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2006 21:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2006 21:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.112) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2006 21:18:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 21:18:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 21:17:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2006 21:17:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:17:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Knoebels suffered a flood this summer - Visitors might have stayed away X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Lo3eGSxHIf_vdYkxIEARfTBsqsprZ9hECXZlXVBHi9xUPWs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 10, 2006 The Morning Call http://www.mcall.com/business/local/all-knoebelssep10,0,108296.story? track=3Drss By Kurt Blumenau Elysburg PA -- Clouds block the sun on the last Wednesday morning of=20 the season at Knoebels Amusement Park & Resort. But the parking lot=20 fills with cars nonetheless, as families turn out for a final taste=20 of summer. This year has been less kind than most to Knoebels, which straddles 3=20 townships and 2 counties in an area so rural, the park doesn't have a=20 street address. (Its location is commonly given as Elysburg, a=20 Northumberland County village about 2 hours from the Lehigh Valley.) Heavy flooding in late June washed out a few days of business at the=20 park, which remains open weekends until Sept. 24. After the park=20 reopened, some visitors stayed away, under the impression the park=20 had been harder hit. "People thought we were down and in trouble,=20 even though we did the best we could to get the word out," said Joe=20 Muscato, a former college professor who married into the Knoebel=20 family and now handles PR for the park. "Life was a little slower=20 than we anticipated." As Knoebels fought the floods, though, it continued a remarkable=20 winning streak among amusement-park fans. The rustic park with the '50s-vintage bumper cars, the wooden roller=20 coasters and the hard "K" in its name holds its own each year=20 alongside mega-park operators such as Disney and Six Flags in the=20 Golden Ticket awards, a survey-based honor given by trade paper=20 Amusement Today. Knoebels placed 3rd in Best Park in this year's Golden Tickets,=20 announced last month, beating out Disneyland and Busch Gardens=20 Europe. Knoebels won the Best Food category, topping names such as=20 Epcot and Dollywood. And it placed in the top-5 for friendliest=20 staff, best Halloween event and best dark ride =97 a tribute to=20 Knoebels' haunted house, built in 1973 when the park was rebounding=20 from another nasty flood. "We're always pleased about the company we=20 keep," Muscato said. Woodsy, glitz-free, pay-as-you-ride, Knoebels is everything the super- parks are not. And yet, Knoebels has built its own distinctive=20 formula for success. An example: When Knoebels looked for a new ride, it steered clear of=20 supercharged triple-loop roller coasters. Instead, the big new=20 attraction next year will be a re-creation of the "flying turns," a=20 banked, wooden train-style ride that disappeared from other parks in=20 the late 1960s. The flying turns won't pull anyone's cheeks back with G-forces. But=20 it's a safe bet that the last Wednesday of next year's season will=20 again find grandparents and shaggy-haired teens flocking to Knoebels,=20 waiting under rain clouds for a turn to ride. "Knoebels is building a=20 good tradition," said Gary Slade, publisher of Amusement=20 Today. "They've got a good thing rolling." Picnics in the park The Knoebels story goes back about a century, to the days when Henry=20 Knoebel let Sunday picnickers use his family's farmland. Those visitors loved to swim in the twin creeks that cut through the=20 land, Roaring Creek and Mugser's Run. So when Henry Knoebel developed=20 his land into an amusement park, he built it around the water =97 a=20 decision that comes back to haunt park officials when the creeks=20 rise. Muscato said this year's attendance will be "fine" despite the=20 flood, but will fall short of the company's high goals. Knoebels opened July 4, 1926, with a pool, a steam-powered carousel,=20 a few games and a restaurant, according to the company. The park has grown since, in a rambling fashion that can make it=20 confusing for 1st-timers to navigate. A few years ago, Knoebels even=20 swallowed a short stretch of state-owned highway that visitors had to=20 cross to get from one part of the park to another. Cars now follow a=20 route around the park, while the original bridge, roadway and state=20 route sign remain inside. Some parts of Knoebels have not changed amid the growth. Henry=20 Knoebel's grandsons, Dick and Buddy, run the park as co-GM's. 11=20 family members worked full- or part-time at Knoebels this year, Dick=20 Knoebel said. The park employs 130 people year-round, and up to 1,800=20 on a seasonal basis. Other families, working as outside contractors, have run the Playland=20 arcade since 1931 and the Fascination game since 1951. The park's=20 Grand Carousel has spun since the 1940s. Free admission Perhaps the most important constant, though, is the park's open-gate=20 policy. Knoebels offers free admission, free parking and free picnic=20 areas. Visitors pay at the ticket booths to take the rides they want,=20 at a price of 60 cents to $3 per ride. The open gate has its drawbacks. Knoebels officials say they never=20 know exactly how many people come, though they estimate the park gets=20 1.2 million to 1.3 million visits a year. Key markets include=20 southern New York, New Jersey and eastern Pennsylvania, including the=20 Lehigh Valley: "We've been drawing well out of there," Muscato said. But, judging from interviews with visitors, the open gate ranks among=20 Knoebels' biggest draws. Time and again, parents and grandparents=20 said they like being able to enter for free, especially when they=20 have no plans to ride. "We can come in and walk around with [our=20 children] without being hit for a $30 cover charge just to come in,"=20 said Jane Logue of Phoenixville, Chester County, who came with her=20 husband, Jim, and their 2 sons. "Free admission is the best part ever," added Cathi Schwartz of=20 Hegins Township, Schuylkill County, who brought her 2-y.o. son to the=20 park. "You pay for the rides you go on." Others said they enjoy the variety and old-school flavor of Knoebels'=20 rides. "They've got something for everybody," said Michelle Howland=20 of Binghamton, N.Y., at the park with her husband, 2 daughters and=20 their friends. "They've got thrill rides, they've got kiddie rides.=20 They've got wooden roller coasters, which are just as much of a=20 thrill." No economies of scale Knoebels' open gate and old-style rides have helped it survive a=20 gradual winnowing of family-run parks, as large companies play a=20 bigger role in the amusement industry. Dorney Park & Wildwater=20 Kingdom of South Whitehall Township, for instance, is owned by Cedar=20 Fair LLP, which operates 12 large parks in the U.S. and Canada. In other industries, big players have shouldered out smaller ones=20 through economies of scale. A regional or national department-store=20 chain, for instance, can buy clothing more cheaply than a single=20 local store. Muscato argues the bigger-is-better trend does not apply to amusement=20 parks, though. Small parks such as Knoebels are "a different animal"=20 from large corporate parks, which have a different atmosphere, he=20 said. Knoebels does not consider Dorney, Hersheypark and other, larger=20 regional parks to be rivals, because their rides and ambience differ=20 so sharply from those of Knoebels. And the Elysburg park has no plans=20 to ditch its rustic atmosphere in favor of higher-speed=20 thrills. "Some people like us. Some people like that," Muscato said,=20 referring to big parks. "Some people like both. Our only goal is to=20 take care of the people who like us." Also, the big-company, big-park model does not always succeed. 6F,=20 one of America's largest and best-known theme-park operators, lost=20 money last year and announced plans to sell some locations. "Look at=20 the 6F model," Muscato said, without gloating but with a certain=20 quiet satisfaction. "It didn't work out real well there, did it?" Some family parks have given way to real-estate redevelopment.=20 Knoebels' relative isolation guards against that kind of buyout,=20 though it also ensures that few travelers find the park by accident. Family parks like Knoebels are not yet rare or endangered, industry=20 experts say. Slade, of Amusement Today, said a few other such parks=20 win Golden Tickets each year =97 such as Kennywood of West Mifflin,=20 Allegheny County, which also placed on the top 10 list of Best Parks.=20 The Golden Tickets are based on a survey of several hundred amusement- park aficionados in all areas of the U.S., as well as several from=20 other countries. A ringing telephone Dick Knoebel ambles into the park office on the overcast Wednesday.=20 He is 67, lives next to the park and has worked there all his life=20 except for a stint in the military. His phone starts ringing with=20 park-related calls at 8 a.m., and does not stop until 11 p.m. some=20 nights. "I don't see myself slowing down too much," said Knoebel, who=20 sometimes sees former girlfriends in the park with their=20 grandchildren. "I've slowed down a little bit. Some days, I don't get=20 down here until 8:30." His goal, he says, is to keep Knoebels the way people know it. He is=20 driven, among other things, by the old saw that the 3rd generation of=20 family ownership tends to be the one that runs a company=20 aground. "I'm not going to let that happen," he said, before the=20 daily demands of the park took him out the door in other directions. Muscato said the park will likely do more advertising in the Southern=20 Tier of New York, to stir up more business there. The park also plans=20 to keep adding attractions, whether rides or restaurants, so "there's=20 always something new here," he said. And, if more Golden Tickets come Knoebels' way, that's an added=20 bonus. "There's a certain sense of validation," he said. -------- Copyright =A9 2006, The Morning Call From gburnash@earthlink.net Thu Sep 14 17:11:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19271 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 00:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 00:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 00:07:01 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GO1ET-0005I4-BS for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4509EEA4.8060307@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:07:00 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4509A90B.2030402@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47800df650746cd6c7e79281417535615b3746aa1284e4fcac4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=yUIQJ-vsBcyq98JZhC1nZ2XalWUtWCsgamuLwzhWB5Ew0aI X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > Does Busch Gardens still offer a bus from Orlando to Tampa? I think > it costs a (small) amount of money, but perhaps that's an option for > you. You could just use the Orlando-Tampa portion, stay in Tampa, and > meet the Alvey's there the next day if the bus is still around. > Yes, they do still offer it. You can pick it up at Sea World. It does, however, normally arrive 1-2 hours after Busch Gardens opens, which can be a lot of time on an already shortened day. Plus then there is the manner of how to get to Sea World to take the bus. :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 14 19:10:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17123 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 02:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 02:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 02:10:57 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so156831ugc for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr5182573ugj; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:10:55 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4509EEA4.8060307@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4509A90B.2030402@earthlink.net> <4509EEA4.8060307@earthlink.net> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=V5XRScqDW-AP6THHsArdjpuIGWRmv9Dka4JLpKIqcGcavFsJZ4wZKEY X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Yes, they do still offer it. You can pick it up at Sea World. It does, > however, normally arrive 1-2 hours after Busch Gardens opens, which can > be a lot of time on an already shortened day. True. But if you've never been to BGT, and you're not going to be down there again soon, I think it might be worth it. It's still six extra hours in the park. > Plus then there is the manner of how to get to Sea World to take the > bus. :) Well, depending on where they stay in Orlando, there should be some type of transportation. Orlando is the land of free transportation. -Nate From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Fri Sep 15 01:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91361 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 08:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 08:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.225) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 08:51:50 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t13so3153404wxc for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.59.20 with SMTP id h20mr14178716wxa; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.98.3 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <165816ef0609150151n269603c9he0a72925d949f56a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:51:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] INTAMIN INFORMATION NEEDED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=V5ttRtAaZiCOTFNPC6mrM7LntKCR9xAFDKMzEoHIlSnAb70 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The systems from Intamin are actually from Intrasys (or Intrasis, I can't remember which spelling). They also do Maurer, Gerstlauer and other companies accelerating and braking systems. Premier uses Force Engineering from the UK (http://www.force.co.uk). Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 06:00:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 365 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 12:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 12:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.148) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 12:35:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 12:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 12:31:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 12:31:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:31:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=oE7nfNbXmjHjjvO-1XE2nosLYEpTF77WVX8swVryMdQGV1q3ZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > > Yes, they do still offer it. You can pick it up at Sea World. It does, > > however, normally arrive 1-2 hours after Busch Gardens opens, which can > > be a lot of time on an already shortened day. >=20 > True. But if you've never been to BGT, and you're not going to be > down there again soon, I think it might be worth it. It's still six > extra hours in the park. >=20 > > Plus then there is the manner of how to get to Sea World to take the > > bus. :) >=20 > Well, depending on where they stay in Orlando, there should be some > type of transportation. Orlando is the land of free transportation. >=20 > -Nate > Just watch your step on those free buses... they like to trip ya. Right? ;) From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Sep 15 07:16:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96683 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 14:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 14:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.224) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 14:04:04 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so1083796wra for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr13347958nfg; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:03:01 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=W6pbgp1gRVFSkKgIypvmfSUMAf27hnhhnCpdQnDc5aS1KJ5hHWkwQwo X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > Well, depending on where they stay in Orlando, there should be some > > type of transportation. Orlando is the land of free transportation. > Just watch your step on those free buses... they like to trip ya. Right? ;) LOL! I hate that you remember that. But I believe that was the I-Drive Trolly, not a bus. :-) -Nate, who thinks the I-Drive Trolly has more forces than SheiKra From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 15 08:13:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73407 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 14:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 14:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.215) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 14:48:39 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 14:47:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 14:47:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2006 14:47:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:47:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: INTAMIN INFORMATION NEEDED X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=_OkiW-_B_4ZFXPSpKysZYIRYghw6AtFfGZP0U7d9bhUrl6HBYh2k6goJ3g X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "WILEY"=20 wrote: > > Hi All, >=20 > I am doing a research paper for college on LIM/LSM systems and=20 > how they have changed roller coaster designs in the last few years.=20=20 > Does anyone know a good way to get ahold of Intamin/Intaride (other=20 > than their web site)? I am hoping that they can provide me with=20 > information on how the sytstems work and how they are being used to=20 > change rollercoaster designs. >=20 > Thanks in advance for your help. >=20 > Wiley i dont know about intamin themselves, but you might try calling some=20 parks that have intamin rides and ask to speak/interview some of the=20 maintainence workers that work on these rides. just another idea.=20 maybe some of the folks here that work at parks could put in a good=20 work for you with the maintainence staff? From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Fri Sep 15 10:38:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16619 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 17:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 17:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO asmail.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 17:26:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:25:07 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00AE792D@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Colbert Report Thread-Index: AcbY6+PJaLgjcIeNTSSq/DTVkyjxuw== To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: Colbert Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=g8lGNqiTlFDgl8S-2nLmBlqHerQGUo3T5tIW_zl--IDXtbqx-w X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 According to Screamscape, Will Koch (of Holiday World) was to be on the Colbert Report Wednesday. I've been watching the show since I heard this on Tuesday, but haven't seen this segment. Did I miss it? Did anybody see this? Jon Z (yay, it's Friday) The First ______________________________=20 From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 15 11:21:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60557 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2006 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2006 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2006 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8FHstgT019078 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c401c6d8f0$12507050$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00AE792D@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:55:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Colbert Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=ZdkkCiV1MNCPg96l_DAwRa0VkSEYTmMXKquw64XJkppSbALLJ71wAIkp8A X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Holiday World reports that the segment was bumped and will air in the future. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Zucker" To: Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Colbert Report According to Screamscape, Will Koch (of Holiday World) was to be on the Colbert Report Wednesday. I've been watching the show since I heard this on Tuesday, but haven't seen this segment. Did I miss it? Did anybody see this? Jon Z (yay, it's Friday) The First ______________________________ From munkye1972@yahoo.com Fri Sep 15 18:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98428 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 01:38:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 01:37:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 01:37:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 01:37:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:37:40 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.204 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park ride turns tragic for teener X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=HuqKsWwTu29B8bqPVAKE78FbgAsaShjwTKCT1gGHU7LEE8ZMsg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" =20 wrote: > > 09/11/2006 > The Inquirer >=20 http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/metroregions/view_article.php? > article_id=3D20380 > By Jocelyn Uy >=20 >=20 > Pasay City, Manila -- A night of fun turned tragic when a 13-y.o.=20 > girl accidentally fell to her death from a height of 38' while=20 riding=20 > in one of the attractions at a Pasay City amusement park, police=20 said. >=20 > Shennies Manuel, Suba's friend, told the police the victim=20 suddenly=20 > felt dizzy and stood up from her seat while they were at the=20 ride's=20 > highest point. >=20 > The police have yet to determine whether to hold the establishment=20 > liable for Suba's accident as it is still under investigation. >=20 > In a statement, Star Parks Corp., which manages the amusement=20 park,=20 > said "the accident that occurred is not in any way the result of=20 any=20 > mechanical defect in the ride." > --------- > Copyright 2001-2006 INQ7 Interactive, Inc. Wow. The only person who actually knows what happened said it was=20 the girl's fault and others still try to blame the park. It's good=20 to see all those years of US colonialism in the Phillipines paid=20 off.=20 :roll Chris B (I made it on Pyrenees and Steel Dragon 2000 yesterday, details to=20 follow.) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 00:23:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80376 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 07:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 07:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 07:16:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 07:15:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 07:15:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:15:47 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=eXlq9GVeo_XGCD3INayMhXmRIYlMXTTeY_INHT6sjr0Jf0agyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I just spent three hours typing up a TR for Parque Espana and=20 Nagashima Spaland. Then, I accidentally hit the 'back' button on my=20 mouse. It's all gone!=20 Aaaargh! Chris B I'll try again later, but not right now! :( From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Sat Sep 16 07:42:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40580 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 14:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 14:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 14:32:24 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:7705 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GObDS-0004L9-Cq for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:32:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <209c558d3823edb29d6191d20f7624b7@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:32:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Philippines accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=zyB4mM-mxyuoT7rZwA-entXkH3c-FGR_konJeG-Pt1WAOFwF2jkreg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > Wow. The only person who actually knows what happened said it was > the girl's fault and others still try to blame the park. It's good > to see all those years of US colonialism in the Phillipines paid > off. > :roll Should it be that easy to get killed by standing up when scared? Should rides be designed to anticipate the foreseeable fear of riders? Just asking... -Bill . . . . . . . . . . . . . Bill Childs Assistant Professor of Law Western New England College School of Law 413.782.1447 v wchilds@law.wnec.edu http://masstort.org Editor, TortsProf Blog: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/tortsprof/ From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 16 09:48:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89877 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 16:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 16:44:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 16:44:09 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8GGi6xu006685 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02a701c6d9af$59647da0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <209c558d3823edb29d6191d20f7624b7@law.wnec.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:44:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Philippines accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=M-PqcT7RfppqsHuRGwgDUxI_7csYSctyibCIBIyO4W3yCEPCzW2ghIqWOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >> Wow. The only person who actually knows what happened said it was >> the girl's fault and others still try to blame the park. It's good >> to see all those years of US colonialism in the Phillipines paid >> off. >> :roll > > Should it be that easy to get killed by standing up when scared? > Should rides be designed to anticipate the foreseeable fear of riders? When you stand up on a moving log ride way up in the air... anything can happen. It just doesn't make sense, even when scared, to stand up or even jump out of a moving vehical. This reminds me of an indident that I believe took place at the former indoor Camp Snoopy park when a kid was so scared of going over the edge of the log ride that he jumped from the log out of pure insanity, and ended up going down the hard way instead of nice and safe inside the log. Some people do crazy things with they get scared, but can we prevent it? Some things yes... some things no. The only way to prevent all rider caused accidents is to restrain them down in a way that people are unable to move at all on their own, much in the way that most steel roller coasters do. However, we're talking about a water ride here... and in general water rides typically don't have restraints, and when they do they are the type that are easy to escape from simply because if something odd were to happen and the car were to take on water and/or sink... they want the riders to be able to escape to save themselves from drowning. In the case of the ride in question... a found a photo online of the log flume that looked pretty much like those traveling log flumes you see at fairs, so there was nothing put a flume up top. No walkways, nothing to hang on to... it's just you and the log. The only thing that could have helped here would have been if the park had some kind of catwalk/walkway up there along the entire track length where the girl could have escaped to, but that may be putting too much thought into it. I don't think it matters if the ride had seat belts or not, this girl was determined to stand up... which indicates that she wanted OUT of the log. I don't really believe the report that she stood and got dizzy and fell... I think she stood and either just fell or was trying to jump... trying to get out of the log in any way she could before the drop came and a seat belt would not have held a 13 year old girl in. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 16:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30924 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 23:37:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 23:36:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2006 23:36:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:36:56 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.1.158 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=PpZFBKVMysu6I1QXmQqOVV07O2Y9dEqT5SlDtJ1nRyQqM3ZqGQK0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I just spent three hours typing up a TR for Parque Espana and=20 > Nagashima Spaland. Then, I accidentally hit the 'back' button on my=20 > mouse. It's all gone! < Chris, I feel your pain. That happened to me once to often. So now what I do is first type my reports out with a word processor and save them as I type. Then when I'm finished, I copy and paste the text into RollerCoasterTalk. That saves me a lot of grief. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 17:08:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46920 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2006 23:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2006 23:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53111.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.61) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2006 23:54:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18898 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2006 23:54:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060916235412.18896.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.1.158] by web53111.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:54:12 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:54:12 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=oKSNodIXheNcbHQt3Bp0IjPWabCGAjHwe9D2MJdmzV9yc-lXOn1j X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was perusing CP's Maverick info and noticed that the ride manufacturer is listed as IntaRide, LLC of Glen Burnie, Md. Is this a subsidiary of Intamin? Or is it another company completely? Also I noticed that the ride is listed as using LSMs, not LIMs. Wasn't there a big problem with LSMs on S:TE? Are they power-hogs? Or has the technology (hopefully) improved? Jay --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 16 17:13:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22318 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53112.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.62) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 00:02:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 34289 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2006 00:02:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060917000217.34287.qmail@web53112.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.127.1.158] by web53112.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:02:17 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:02:17 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: MISC: IntaRide answer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Iq3u_riU6x2bgSIRSbuzK1Ixzc8YVRpCe7aj8Qmc6_vkRUB_kwWs X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I've just answered my own question. Here's an interesting article linked from PointBuzz: > http://www.funworldmagazine.com/2006/aug/features/coaster_connoisseurs/coasterconn.html < Jay --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 16 17:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21112 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 00:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 00:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 00:42:06 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8H0g4GU002641 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <021401c6d9f2$1fb4e660$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060916235412.18896.qmail@web53111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:42:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=udIQVWPYHO5FHTanuaZRLGqebHmvvGx3XSD_hr4fAgKtgVWK02gCPowAkw X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Ducharme" >I was perusing CP's Maverick info and noticed that the ride manufacturer is >listed as IntaRide, LLC of Glen Burnie, Md. Is this a subsidiary of >Intamin? Or is it another company completely? According to an article about Intamin in FunWorld over the summer... http://www.funworldmagazine.com/2006/aug/features/coaster_connoisseurs/coasterconn.html Intamin AG is now "strictly an engineering firm", and IntaRide is the side company that is strictly Rides it seems. Though I've always been confused where the whole "Ride Trade" side of the company was involved since if you visit the website they have an entirely different line of rides than the Intamin side of the website. http://www.ridetrade.com/ Ride Trade lists the Giant Wheels, Observation and Drop Towers, Simulators and Flat Rides Intamin lists all the water rides and roller coaster systems. Then there is the whole Intamin Transportation side of the company for all the monorail/tram systems. > Also I noticed that the ride is listed as using LSMs, not LIMs. Wasn't > there a big problem with LSMs on S:TE? Are they power-hogs? Or has the > technology (hopefully) improved? This is a good question because I was involved in another discussion that was never resolved about the LSM/LIM matter. It was mentioned to me not long ago that Intamin has ONLY used LSM systems for their rides and for the most part this seems to be true, starting with Superman: The Escape to next year's Maverick. However some of their ride systems have also been credited as using LIMs... namely all of their inverted coaster systems like Volcano: The Blast Coaster and the different versions of Impulse coasters lke Wicked Twister, Vertical Velocity, etc. At least I recall hearing that those were all LIM systems and they are also listed as such on RCDB. RCDB also listes Atlantis Adventure, the only existing Aqua Trax as a LIM ride, as well as Half Pipe (SFEG) but then again they also list California Screamin' as LIM when I believe it is really LSM. Now I don't know everything about LIMs vs LSMs but for some reason I seem to recall reading that LIMs only push one way when charged while LSM's can be powered to push in both directions. So for the shuttle style Impulse coasters it would make more sense if they were really LSM and not LIM under those guidelines (if true.). Otherwise, they would need to install two sets of LIMs, one for each direction while a single set of LSMs could handle the job. And in the LSM vs LIM argument side of things.... LSMs got a bad rap at first because of Superman: The Escape. An industry expert I talked with at lenght on the issues once told me that while LSMs are more difficult to calibrate and program at first, they are the future and far more powerful than LIMs. It's been a steep learning curve since S:TE and it's growing pains, but they've solved virtually all the problems with LSM systems now and had figured out how to use them not only launch systems but for slower lift hills as well. (I believe California Screamin' was the first). LIM's are pretty much brute force compared to LSMs it seems... LIMs you just line up in a row and turn them on and voooom... off goes the coaster. LSMs need to be set up more carefully, timed to give the right ammount of juice at the right time and in the right order to get the job done, but the results are supposed to give the ride far more control of the system, and in the end LSMs were said to be able to be far more powerful than LIMs. The end argument of this person was that the future was LSMs and eventually LIMs would give way to LSMs or other new launch systems. So far this seems to be true. For the brute force launch systems, Intamin has moved on to Hydraulic (Rocket) launch systems, and when they want to control the experience they use LSMs. Vekoma's only successful launch system used on the Disney Rock 'n Roller Coasters and the one outdoor clone are LSM systems, though instead of using the LSMs to launch the train directly, it's said to be more similar to a n LSM powered version of the old Schwarzkopf shuttle launch. The LSMs power the launch shuttle that pushes the train instead of launching the train itself. Vekoma tried one LIM system that I know of for their prototype Invertigo and it was a failure and they retrofitted the ride (and all future Invertigos) to use the old style Boomerang lift. S&S has stuck with their Air launched systems for the few lauched coasters they've done. There is only one launched B&M to date (Hulk) and that uses unique launch system all of it's own, like a turbo charged version the tire-drive lift system used on many kiddie coasters. Gerstlauer doesn't launch... neither does Zamperla or Maurer-Sohne that I know of off the top of my head. So that leaves Premier Rides... the creator of the modern LIM launched coaster, and they're still using LIM sysems to this day, but that's their claim to fame and they're the experts when it comes to LIMs so I don't see them changing it up. So back to the Intamin thing... does anyone know for sure if Intamin only uses LSMs now? Have they ever used LIMs or is the RCDB listings mistaken here? I just haven't been able to get a solid answer to this question from anyone yet. From gburnash@earthlink.net Sat Sep 16 18:24:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18012 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 01:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 01:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.62) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 01:16:18 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GOlGb-0003ur-4i for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: <450CA1E3.6090007@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:16:19 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47800df650746cd6c7e0bf0ac282475c5cd9240eedd213693b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=sGdSAKUUJCeyudWU0P_MlnxnWiynTVkKIVmjLbJEG2Noru0 X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jay_ducharme wrote: > > > > I just spent three hours typing up a TR for Parque Espana and > > Nagashima Spaland. Then, I accidentally hit the 'back' button on my > > mouse. It's all gone! < > > Chris, I feel your pain. That happened to me once to often. So now > what I do is first type my reports out with a word processor and save > them as I type. Then when I'm finished, I copy and paste the text > into RollerCoasterTalk. That saves me a lot of grief. > That was going to be my suggestion. I pretty much never type up a TR or anything that might be longish into much of anything but a word processor, and save it constantly. Maybe an email, but then that I'll also use an email program and safe it as a draft fairly often. But then I'm not sure how much of a viable option that is on a ship, since I don't know how much computer access or security you have to save files. But frankly I'd never type up anything that I wasn't willing to lose into a web browser. It's just to easy to have it erased, deleted, or lost. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Sat Sep 16 18:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27347 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 01:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 01:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 01:30:12 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:5569 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GOlTJ-0005z8-Kk for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:29:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <8b77831031666766def411d772c95db9@law.wnec.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:29:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: Philippines accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=i7qzWBqhYghiHNSeC9RpYBWKBRqunQodq3Fh_rh64GqBUgFJMkn2IA X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When you stand up on a moving log ride way up in the air... anything > can > happen. > It just doesn't make sense, even when scared, to stand up or even > jump out > of a moving vehical. That's my point. When people (especially kids) get scared, they act in a way that seems nonsensical and foolish to others. Theoretically, manufacturers are obligated to anticipate even foolish behavior when it's foreseeable, but it rarely seems to end up that way in practice. I'm not advocating blaming the manufacturer here. But I do think enthusiasts and others would be well-served to think in a more complex way about things that often get written off as "rider error" and recognize that fear and adrenaline makes people do dumb things -- things that could often be prevented, even by, yes, something as simple as a seatbelt. Of course, sometimes a seatbelt adds its own dangers and problems. Tricky stuff, not nearly as simple as it's often presented. -Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drounds@jvlnet.com Sun Sep 17 03:31:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69441 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 10:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 10:12:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 10:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 1144 invoked by uid 99); 17 Sep 2006 10:11:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20060917101133.1143.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 17 Sep 2006 05:11:33 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 70.226.134.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] LIMs vs LSMs (Was:IntaRide) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=4s44cjwU0sw46XZootaPWBroMm9KsmsT07nlzYB7KekaObOa X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Lance, In your comments on LIMs vs LSM, you contradict yourself: You state that some Intamin coasters like Wicked Twister and Vertical Velocity use LIMs but in the next paragraph you say that LIMs can drive only in one direction. These two rides accelerate the coaster in both directions. Therefore if these coasters are using LIMs, the LIMs do drive in both directions If you look at the website of the company Force Engineering, a major player in the LIM marketplace, you will find that LIMs can operate in both directions. Their web site (www.force.com.uk) has a very good technical description of LIM drive systems. On the page "Benefits of Linear Motors", it states "Travel can be reversed by swapping two phases." > > > Also I noticed that the ride is listed as using LSMs, not LIMs. Wasn't > > there a big problem with LSMs on S:TE? Are they power-hogs? Or has the > > technology (hopefully) improved? > > > This is a good question because I was involved in another discussion that > was never resolved about the LSM/LIM matter. It was mentioned to me not > long ago that Intamin has ONLY used LSM systems for their rides and for the > most part this seems to be true, starting with Superman: The Escape to next > year's Maverick. > > However some of their ride systems have also been credited as using LIMs... > namely all of their inverted coaster systems like Volcano: The Blast Coaster > and the different versions of Impulse coasters lke Wicked Twister, Vertical > Velocity, etc. At least I recall hearing that those were all LIM systems > and they are also listed as such on RCDB. > RCDB also listes Atlantis Adventure, the only existing Aqua Trax as a LIM > ride, as well as Half Pipe (SFEG) but then again they also list California > Screamin' as LIM when I believe it is really LSM. > > Now I don't know everything about LIMs vs LSMs but for some reason I seem to > recall reading that LIMs only push one way when charged while LSM's can be > powered to push in both directions. So for the shuttle style Impulse > coasters it would make more sense if they were really LSM and not LIM under > those guidelines (if true.). Otherwise, they would need to install two sets > of LIMs, one for each direction while a single set of LSMs could handle the > job. > > > Dave Rounds From lance@screamscape.com Sun Sep 17 04:28:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69655 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2006 11:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2006 11:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2006 11:26:37 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8HBQarU025959 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01e601c6da4c$299fb560$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <20060917101133.1143.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 07:26:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] LIMs vs LSMs (Was:IntaRide) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=oUAiuO7r1c2836CTOd8MQa9bSSMASPk9Hy-0A2OD9K9WXOR54jVGF3KEJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Rounds" > Lance, In your comments on LIMs vs LSM, you contradict yourself: > > You state that some Intamin coasters like Wicked Twister and Vertical > Velocity use LIMs but in the next paragraph you say that LIMs can > drive only in one direction. No, I said I thought I heard once that LIMs only push one direction, so if that theory were true the shuttle coasters would need two set of LIMs, one for each direction. "So for the shuttle style Impulse coasters it would make more sense if they were really LSM and not LIM under those guidelines (if true.). Otherwise, they would need to install two sets of LIMs, one for each direction while a single set of LSMs could handle the job." But as you point out next... according to Force Engineering, LIMs can be reversed. Or at least they can NOW... it was awhile back when I remember hearing that they could only push one way so that may have been an earlier design. > If you look at the website of the company Force Engineering, a major > player in the LIM marketplace, you will find that LIMs can operate in > both directions. Their web site (www.force.com.uk) has a very good > technical description of LIM drive systems. On the page "Benefits of > Linear Motors", it states "Travel can be reversed by swapping two > phases." From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 17 17:24:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 763 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 00:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 00:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 00:24:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 00:23:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 00:23:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:23:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02a701c6d9af$59647da0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.237.235 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Philippines accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=gD5TyYYJCYksMSgGg0ft3uwyVSswrOpGHr0L2H-2jlqo1WiHOEr- X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme This is a fascinating issue. As Bill indicated, there aren't any easy answers. How much are riders to be held responsible for their behavior, and how much are the manufacturers responsible for the experience they create? Are passengers going to need to take some sort of Rorshach test before boarding a ride? > The only thing that could have helped here would have been if the park had some kind of catwalk/walkway up there along the entire track length where the girl could have escaped to < Interesting concept, but would the ride manufacturer then be guilty of enticing a patron to exit the ride while it's moving? A passenger could look at a catwalk as a safety net, when in fact the very act of trying to get out of the boat would put them in peril. Water rides do have a unique problem: restraining a passenger could kill them. One possible solution would be to have each boat run in a submerged track so that it simply couldn't flip over. Then a simple lap-bar mechanism could be employed to restrain passengers. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 17 17:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69140 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 00:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 00:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.111) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 00:33:55 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 00:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 00:32:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 00:32:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:32:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <021401c6d9f2$1fb4e660$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.237.235 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TECH: IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=m0N36VK3TeGeepoegeqncdC1noQ2_Ujvj6NmRXiRtaNf5ETRl_9g X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Great explanation, Lance! Thanks. > It was mentioned to me not long ago that Intamin has ONLY used LSM systems for their rides and for the most part this seems to be true < Unless I'm mistaken (which I well could be), LSMs house the magnets on board the vehicle, whereas LIMs have the magnets in the track. If that's true then Intamin's Impulse coasters are all LIMs, because the trains contain only a metal fin. The magnets are definitely in the track. I'm wondering if the decision to use LSMs or LIMs is based on the ability of the park to provide the appropriate amount of electricity. If LSMs take more electricity to launch, in the long run a park would be paying more to operate the ride. I'm also curious as to any health issues with LSMs. If passengers are sitting so close to such a powerful magnet, even for a short time, I wonder if there are any physical consequences. > So back to the Intamin thing... < I was just thinking of their drop towers. The tower holds the fin.=20 That means the magnets must be housed behind each seat. So that would be similar to an LSM configuration. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 04:56:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93915 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 11:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 11:44:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 11:44:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 11:41:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 11:41:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:41:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <450CA1E3.6090007@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=IAbBkHWbctEQK7scC5JehUxt9Ru2iB3AeMFyOfEdTwRcVmBTyA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > jay_ducharme wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > > I just spent three hours typing up a TR for Parque Espana and > > > Nagashima Spaland. Then, I accidentally hit the 'back' button=20 on my > > > mouse. It's all gone! < > >=20 > > Chris, I feel your pain. That happened to me once to often. So=20 now > > what I do is first type my reports out with a word processor and=20 save > > them as I type. Then when I'm finished, I copy and paste the text > > into RollerCoasterTalk. That saves me a lot of grief. > >=20 >=20 > That was going to be my suggestion. I pretty much never type up a=20 TR or=20 > anything that might be longish into much of anything but a word=20 > processor, and save it constantly. Maybe an email, but then that=20 I'll=20 > also use an email program and safe it as a draft fairly often. >=20 > But then I'm not sure how much of a viable option that is on a=20 ship,=20 > since I don't know how much computer access or security you have=20 to save=20 > files. But frankly I'd never type up anything that I wasn't=20 willing to=20 > lose into a web browser. It's just to easy to have it erased,=20 deleted,=20 > or lost. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George Actually, when I could post at work, I always drafted my TR's in=20 Word and cut and pasted from there. I was using Netscape (Yeah, I=20 know!) for a while at home because my IE got destroyed by a virus,=20 and backing up accidentally doesn't erase fields if you go forward=20 instead of clicking the link again. When Evilsoft finally released=20 the 'new' IE Beta, I was able to install that successfully, and it=20 seems that the old virus was satisfied with only killing IE once.=20 Slowly, I've been working my way back over to IE from Netscape, and=20 voila! Disaster.=20 Anyhoo, I posted POV's of Pyrenees and back row AND front row on=20 Steel Dragon 2000 on TPR.=20 http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D29210 If anyone's interested that is. ;) Oh, Robb FINALLY posted my Eejanaika video, with POV, too, at: http://www.themeparkreview.com/eejanaika/eejanaika_belson.htm Enjoy! Chris B From lance@screamscape.com Mon Sep 18 04:57:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56303 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 11:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 11:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 11:51:21 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8IBpGHM028758 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <060501c6db18$c7dc9d20$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:51:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Philippines accident X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=htQgjqoqbdmhuP8VjpZTKVntEXn3CT-_leGOnDeJK35juGMM1yxLcjZURA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>Water rides do have a unique problem: restraining a passenger could kill them. One possible solution would be to have each boat run in a submerged track so that it simply couldn't flip over. Then a simple lap-bar mechanism could be employed to restrain passengers. The problem here isn't always boats flipping over... just the act of taking on water. Depending on the size of the boat and the ammount of water, flooding a boat could still put a small child UNDER the waterline, or close enough that they could drown. You see a few lap bars on boat rides... big ones like on some Tidal Waves (Shoot the Chutes) and even Jurassic Park, and then smaller lap bars across the Mack / Flume coasters (Journey to Atlantis) but in the end, I don't think any of these truely locks down. I think they are held down by pressure or weight and all of them can be forced to move enough to allow any rider to escape. From lance@screamscape.com Mon Sep 18 05:02:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95085 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 11:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 11:55:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 11:55:50 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8IBtl3L002328 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <061201c6db19$697be370$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:56:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=bcJq9XpyT61dvasa6wSFHbUg-2Pbb0F6JNBSgR7mkad2ZXpVln-vuiYHqg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance >>I was just thinking of their drop towers. The tower holds the fin. That means the magnets must be housed behind each seat. So that would be similar to an LSM configuration. I think you got it backwards... the seats are attached to the fin which passes through the magnetic braking zones in the slot built into the tower. But Magnetic Braking systems are not powered in any way like LIM or LSMs. It's just natural magnetism. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 09:56:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9141 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 16:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 16:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 16:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 16:35:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 16:35:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 16:35:13 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:35:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Officials mum on theme park plan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zVXp8WrATnW7BmMsgS3AsBqEj0Th8eJ3NiwGiGdVRCXrGXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09/16/2006 The Traverse City Record-Eagle http://www.record-eagle.com/2006/sep/16park.htm BY SHERI McWHIRTER GRAYLING, MI =97- Local and state officials remain tight-lipped about a=20 proposed theme park for Crawford County, possibly a Main Street USA=20 or Six Flags location. Talks are under way to bring an 1,800-acre amusement park to a site=20 south of Grayling, near I-75 on Four Mile Road, state officials=20 acknowledge, thought they shed little light on the deal. "Right now=20 we don't have any formal proposal," said David Freed, chief of land=20 and facilities for the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. The proposed location for the development is on state land set aside=20 as an industrial or commercial park. Rochester-based Axiom Entertainment, on behalf of investors, has been=20 in talks with state officials to build a $160 million theme park. The=20 attraction would employ 2,000 seasonal workers and 700 employees year- round, according to the company's initial estimates, Freed said. Axiom officials declined to comment. "As I understand it, we're still=20 waiting for the principles involved to line up their financing," said=20 Michael Shore, spokesman for the Michigan Economic Development Corp. Axiom is seeking $25 million in state aid for infrastructure=20 improvements, but Shore said he could not yet discuss details. Shore said state and economic development officials have been working=20 for months with the "folks behind the project" and are anxious to=20 finalize and announce the plans. Freed said a formal proposal must come from the Crawford County=20 Economic Development Partnership. Gaila Gilliland, director of that=20 agency, declined to comment. Ilene Geiss-Wilson, director of the local tourism bureau, said a=20 possible theme park so close to Grayling would benefit existing=20 businesses and likely spur new ones. ---------- =A9 Traverse City Record-Eagle, 1998-2006 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 10:07:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93826 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 16:49:40 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 16:46:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 16:46:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:46:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Fire hits theme park's building X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=X8045pgAo_8T3EHlmY1ngEPhhonnLscCdmi8SOepeW8kyf4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 16, 2006 BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/5351598.stm Alton, Staffordshire, UK -- A road sweeper fire that spread to a nearby=20 building at Alton Towers theme park has been put out by firefighters. Crews were called to the park in Alton, Staffordshire, at about 5:23am=20 on Saturday to reports of a fire at the Merry Mayhem building. The fire was put out 40 minutes later and is not believed to have=20 caused serious damage to the building. "There was a lot of smoke rather=20 than any sort of massive fire damage," said a Staffordshire fire=20 spokesman. The last of the 4 fire engines sent to the scene left at 8:37am BST, he=20 said. --------- Copyright 2006 BBC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 10:17:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77886 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 17:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 17:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 17:02:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 17:00:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 17:00:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:00:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Developer planning $600 million attraction for Branson in 2009 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=-FwVvO7otH0L_i47iAndPL_vzzzuDgRMZTh9wG1g6T3P7xg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 14, 2006 Springfield News-Leader http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060914/BREAKING01/60914011 by Kathryn Buckstaff=20 Branson, MO -- A longtime Branson developer announced today he will=20 build a $600 million "destination attraction" with an aquarium, a 300- room hotel featuring an indoor water park and high tech special- effects entertainment. Pinnacle Falls of Branson is expected to open in 2008 on 300 acres=20 just west of Celebration City. The property has been in David Cushman's family for 60 years. The=20 Cushman family built Mutton Hollow, a theme park on the site of what=20 is now Celebration City. The consultant on the project is Mel Bilbo, a former CEO with Silver=20 Dollar City. The theme is a European mountain city with man-made waterways, themed=20 restaurants and shops. The hotel will create a year-around attraction, Cushman said. The=20 park is expected to draw an estimated 400,000 new visitors to the=20 area, providing new customers for other Branson attractions as well,=20 Cushman said. Now that initial engineering and a feasibility study have been=20 completed, Bilbo said the next step is to begin the city process of=20 going through planning and zoning requirements and approvals. The city of Branson also will be asked to approve a tax-increment=20 financing district in order to defray costs of building the aquarium,=20 Bilbo said. Bilbo said the project also will need to obtain financing once all=20 the needed city approvals are in place. Bilbo said capital-raising=20 service First Albany is part of the development team. Urban Retail is on board to handle tenant acquisition, and PGAV Inc.=20 of St. Louis is handling architectural plans. -------- =A9 2006 Springfield News-Leader From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Mon Sep 18 11:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 483 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 18:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 18:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO asmail.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 18:17:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:04:33 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00AE7C82@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! Thread-Index: AcbbTOUS537wLw4CQya2qxgidU6nAg== To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=FPqW_bdgLeN2mzvWlQXcY6NawF7NusozZtto2DSS2tD2FN8I2g X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 > Posted by: "Chris"=20 >=20 > Oh, Robb FINALLY posted my Eejanaika video, with POV, too, at: >=20 > http://www.themeparkreview.com/eejanaika/eejanaika_belson.htm >=20 > Enjoy! >=20 > Chris B Most annoying. Sound track. Ever. But thanks for the great video! Jon ______________________________=20=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 18 12:54:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97581 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 19:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 19:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 19:40:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 19:40:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 19:40:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 19:40:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:40:07 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00AE7C82@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=9s_kC2v-3rsTBskqiA4O5wJfwQ7MT3CSDkIj0sRVGGevjxceeXsA7EybDg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zucker" =20 wrote: > > > Posted by: "Chris"=20 > >=20 > > Oh, Robb FINALLY posted my Eejanaika video, with POV, too, at: > >=20 > > http://www.themeparkreview.com/eejanaika/eejanaika_belson.htm > >=20 > > Enjoy! > >=20 > > Chris B >=20 >=20 > Most annoying. Sound track. Ever. >=20 > But thanks for the great video! >=20 > Jon no offense, but am i the only one annoyed that japan got a second X=20 before anywhere else in the US did? BG, CF, hello?! not all of us=20 can pick up and go to cali. "east coast X, east coast X, east coast=20 X!!!".=20 From gregleg@gregleg.com Mon Sep 18 13:27:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36945 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 20:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 20:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 20:15:21 -0000 X-JTAN-Outgoing-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Outgoing-To: X-JTAN-Received: thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138] X-JTAN-Recipient: X-JTAN-AntiSPAM: not spam, Outgoing not scanned X-JTAN-AntiVirus: Found to be clean, Outgoing not scanned Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8IKEb0u008185 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: <011301c6db5f$13c3e860$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbbXE4Tf6Mo+LrXRHKBbatkzgFPmgAAphsQ X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=p4NNASlWu3F_-lIZadkhV_s1GbdUw9yROFWCQWXS7WvLkeE X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 > no offense, but am i the only one annoyed that japan got a second X > before anywhere else in the US did? BG, CF, hello?! not all of us > can pick up and go to cali. "east coast X, east coast X, east coast > X!!!". You're probably not the only one, but I know personally I couldn't care less. I wasn't that impressed with X, and for the problems it's given SFMM over the years I certainly understand why Busch and Cedar Fair haven't put one in yet. --Greg From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Mon Sep 18 13:58:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82477 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 20:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 20:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 20:51:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 20:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 20:51:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 20:51:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:51:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <021401c6d9f2$1fb4e660$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 217.57.18.165 From: "Adam Sandy" Subject: Re: IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=AufuqeoTUtBzBcffge5bLQyYBvI7jDTKgVDgtTC-HY1ESG0 X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy > Intamin AG is now "strictly an engineering firm", and IntaRide is the side=20 > company that is strictly Rides it seems. > Though I've always been confused where the whole "Ride Trade" side of the=20 > company was involved since if > you visit the website they have an entirely different line of rides than the=20 > Intamin side of the website. > http://www.ridetrade.com/ Despite what the article says Intamin has divided up thier company for years, probably for tax purposes. A lot of other companies, Mack, Zamperla, do it too. > And in the LSM vs LIM argument side of things.... > LSMs got a bad rap at first because of Superman: The Escape. > An industry expert I talked with at lenght on the issues once told me that=20 > while LSMs are more difficult to calibrate and program at first, they are=20 > the future and far more powerful than LIMs. It's been a steep learning curve=20 > since S:TE and it's growing pains, but they've solved virtually all the=20 > problems with LSM systems now and had figured out how to use them not only=20 > launch systems but for slower lift hills as well. (I believe California=20 > Screamin' was the first). True. Most of the new stuff is using LSM's. The new LSM's operate much better (from both a power usage and reliability aspects) than back when Superman opened. > Gerstlauer doesn't launch... neither does Zamperla or Maurer-Sohne that I=20 > know of off the top of my head. Gerstlauer and Maurer are both using LSM's. Maurer is building a launched X-Car at Drivlett in the Netherlands for next year.=20 Gerstlauer actually has the superior system because they offer a very affordable and well-designed energy storage system that works great with the LSM's. Zamperla's new MotoCoaster uses a flywheel that is a cousin of the Schwarzkopf Shuttle. The big difference is that the clutch is hydraulic, while the old Anton clutch was mechanical. =20 Adam From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 16:17:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97432 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 23:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 23:00:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 23:00:42 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 23:00:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 23:00:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 23:00:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:00:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.233.87 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=FddC3vRldnAFe9h3b4isgvEopWsQee31vGX7yZBv2VA0iQiiBx5R X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Oh, Robb FINALLY posted my Eejanaika video < Wow. I love watching the seats rotate. That's got to be incredibly disorienting. What's up with the music? Is that what you hear in the queue line, kids chanting the name of the ride over and over? If so, I think by the time I got on board I'd be suicidal. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 16:27:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16310 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 23:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 23:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 23:09:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 23:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 23:08:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:08:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <061201c6db19$697be370$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.233.87 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TECH: IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=nf8PEPUkFWa2ceHR2iwtJOyCJG6Ud7VjIh8ddOkxv9dpRCnYWTUT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I think you got it backwards... < Really? Take a look at the ride pics here: > http://www.ridetrade.com/r_news.asp < It looks like the fins are on the tower and the cars ride along them. Or is the giant drop pictured there different from other Intamin giant drops? Jay From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 18 17:51:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35141 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 00:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 00:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 00:40:23 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 00:39:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 00:39:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 00:39:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:39:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=kTSOzy3TmO0qeQQoSs8AqT7XXu4FuWzlcb4p_-jAB-f7NXH47XzOtfHzsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > What's up with the music? Is that what you hear in the queue line, > kids chanting the name of the ride over and over? If so, I think by > the time I got on board I'd be suicidal. heh, well id still take that over the teen pop, emo and nu-metal you=20 hear at a lot of american parks.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 18 17:52:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40304 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 00:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 00:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.160) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 00:40:28 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 00:38:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 00:38:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:38:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011301c6db5f$13c3e860$0600a8c0@raven> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=TGo-Julvl2BIbtZFYN_oY6jkaxtWLUjFTVo9ReYoqM0B017lDKcuspfbsA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Legowski"=20 wrote: > You're probably not the only one, but I know personally I couldn't=20 care > less. I wasn't that impressed with X, and for the problems it's=20 given SFMM > over the years I certainly understand why Busch and Cedar Fair=20 haven't put > one in yet. makes sense, i didnt think of that. still, SF was dumb enough to put=20 in KingdaKa after all the problems with TTD. but of course, thats SF=20 for you... From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 18 18:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86353 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 00:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 00:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 00:55:52 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8ILmgJS022131 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006901c6db6c$374c5c60$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:48:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: SFI'S MOVERS AND SHAKERS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=WjdpkLpM4xClYSRKgzBv7hUhrVTYjOco5AUJbQzdt9njJGcn4tYI X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.topix.net/content/kri/3561381452022432861022827769961183468173 As reported by Lance on www.screamscape.com a week or two ago, comes an article that mentions names of other movers and shakers to along with the recent appointment at Great Adventure. Joe TAMPA, FLA. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 18 18:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37768 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8IM06St010256 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007401c6db6d$cf629360$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:00:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: CA WILDFIRES PROXIMITY TO SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=VYTjqA3ViWLXZ_9rjzxB7Sb4JJSGvKwLhdn2ux35HAaBHIAH9oMo X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a must see. http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/25258.html Joe TAMPA, FLA. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lance@screamscape.com Mon Sep 18 18:48:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59606 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 01:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 01:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 01:31:33 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8J1VFM7021164 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05c501c6db8b$55410760$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:31:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: TECH: IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=MnRVqOR9fLXgLaEiHoW2LpUEQj2yhVKQFg5loCKvzl6BVP4gWnndQFDxwA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > I think you got it backwards... < Really? Take a look at the ride pics here: > http://www.ridetrade.com/r_news.asp < It looks like the fins are on the tower and the cars ride along them. Or is the giant drop pictured there different from other Intamin giant drops? Okay, maybe I am totally conufsed right now. I haven't seen a Giant Drop inawhile in person so I think maybe I was thinking about another ride perhaps... From lance@screamscape.com Mon Sep 18 21:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45451 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 04:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 04:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 04:29:41 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8J1FfSE001539 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <052e01c6db89$284b8c00$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: <011301c6db5f$13c3e860$0600a8c0@raven> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:15:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=wE_K0syEeHJAtwAdYavIyCL_cy0LSq36q7pzJ_WoYsUPOYosGip4oymckA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance > You're probably not the only one, but I know personally I couldn't care > less. I wasn't that impressed with X, and for the problems it's given > SFMM > over the years I certainly understand why Busch and Cedar Fair haven't put > one in yet. You can't put all the blame on the coaster. Sounded to me like a good deal of the blame was because of SFMM. From toni_lee_f@yahoo.com Mon Sep 18 22:12:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toni_lee_f@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86404 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 05:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 05:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 05:07:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 05:07:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 05:07:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 05:07:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.32.251.183 From: "Toni" Subject: Rumor or truth? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10521091; y=w68eRzTd35IRVgq_pFV9acvCWdS7ZYiqkKSm__1BV9TusPnUlA X-Yahoo-Profile: toni_lee_f I have been in Yosemite for a week on a very nice motorcycle trip. At=20 dinner last night, someone in the group said that it was a done deal=20 that Six Flags Magic Mountain was sold to developers. I was very upset=20 and said this talk (from the news) but not a done deal. This person=20 said it was done and Magic Mountain would only be open for one more=20 year. HELP - is this true? I can't find anything on a quick search of any=20 truth of this. Thank you for your expertise? Toni From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Sep 18 22:56:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68971 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 05:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 05:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 05:56:09 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z38so548570ugc for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.2 with SMTP id u2mr6640137ugm; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:45:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.170 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor or truth? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=63LDt-7JLwx78TAut-XOLdW6aXvwVyN9-xakLt0tV5w9ZJ1oPSJnXik X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > This person > said it was done and Magic Mountain would only be open for one more > year. > > HELP - is this true? Rumor. Six Flags Magic Mountain has not yet been sold, but it could be sold in the future if the right offer came along. -Nate From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 00:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14326 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 07:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 07:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 07:24:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 07:23:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 07:23:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:23:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <061201c6db19$697be370$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TECH: IntaRide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Ga9dSnwN5oMPZPReg09MuFqEOoXCYoY7s9P-XQ01WwjrQxWZVg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > > >>I was just thinking of their drop towers. The tower holds the fin. > That means the magnets must be housed behind each seat. So that=20 would > be similar to an LSM configuration. >=20 > I think you got it backwards... the seats are attached to the fin=20 which=20 > passes through > the magnetic braking zones in the slot built into the tower. But=20 Magnetic=20 > Braking systems > are not powered in any way like LIM or LSMs. It's just natural=20 magnetism. > I know on Blue Fall (2nd Gen) that the brake fin is on the tower, not=20 the car. That's how it can drop a few feet, slow and then go again. Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 00:31:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38239 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 07:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 07:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 07:30:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 07:30:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 07:30:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:30:02 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0OzskzNB6DhYKBmUGxWkhScryCc0486rCOBKjBMz6ZBs1UapKA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > > Oh, Robb FINALLY posted my Eejanaika video < >=20 > Wow. I love watching the seats rotate. That's got to be incredibly > disorienting. >=20 > What's up with the music? Is that what you hear in the queue line, > kids chanting the name of the ride over and over? If so, I think by > the time I got on board I'd be suicidal. >=20 > Jay > That, my friends, is the queue music. I recorded it and looped it for=20 the video's soundtrack. I only had to loop it once, and the second go=20 around only makes it about one minute before the movie's over. It is=20 pretty bad, but now EVERYBODY knows how to pronounce the ride's name.=20 :)=20 Incidentally, Dodonpa's queue music is actually even worse! Chris B From kevindreyling@charter.net Tue Sep 19 04:49:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59496 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 11:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 11:42:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 11:42:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 11:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 11:42:18 -0000 X-Sender: kevindreyling@charter.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23079 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2006 19:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2006 19:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2006 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 19:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2006 19:34:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:34:05 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.87.51.102 From: "pink_floydfanatic" Subject: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=273425678; y=CZz7qRsQCI3TwB0KDfFoBZvQf1eS1LnyFQAU9wKNIiS81g X-Yahoo-Profile: pink_floydfanatic X-eGroups-Approved-By: gburnash via web; 19 Sep 2006 11:42:17 -0000 Why are they sooo slow at announcing it? Why the big secret? In the=20 mid to late 1980s Dick Kinzel when he was GM of Valleyfair was not=20 afraid to tell ACE News about VF's 5 year plans which included a=20 plan to build a new wooden roller coaster which turns out to be=20 Excalibur. I gave him a call asking about the new coaster and=20 mentioned that I'd like something like Riverside Cyclone. He than=20 told me that he and park officials are planning to tour several USA=20 parks to see what kind of features to put in the ride. At the time=20 they were undecide whether it would be a wood track or a steel track=20 but they later went with a steel track like Gemini but more of a=20 twister design and you know the rest of the story. Anyway I knew a=20 bit about them planning this ride much more in advance than I do for=20 rides that are planned today although I only know they were looking=20 at doing a wood coaster back then (Excalibur). But today they=20 (reliable sources) won't even hint at a new woodie! All of the talk=20 about the new woodie is from employees instead of management! Unless=20 the new woodie would have some type of element that never been done=20 before or have some records to be broken I can't understand why the=20 BIG secret and slow to announce the new coaster! From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 19 04:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36657 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 11:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 11:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 11:49:42 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GPe6Z-0005sw-TJ for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: <450FD94F.6020207@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:49:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <007401c6db6d$cf629360$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> In-Reply-To: <007401c6db6d$cf629360$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47800df650746cd6c7ebd409d219edb5b814ee40fcd89022418350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: CA WILDFIRES PROXIMITY TO SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=IWyNX6y8eTF7eS2jRWDH---CWHsp5Ny8JfPf3nTolM3ha3c X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > > > This is a must see. > > http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/25258.html > > It's practically an annual or semi-annual event out there. Every year the Santa Ana, or sometimes called Santana, winds come up and a bunch of wild and huge grassfires come up. That area gets hit so often it's not funny. In the six years I lived on the coast there were 3 times when the fires were so big that they were raining ash down on us. So while it sounds dramatic, and the smoke cloud in the picture looks scary, it's really nothing that is much out of the ordinary or much to worry about. Just kind of funny that the source of the good info is from a newspaper on the other end of the state instead of one in the Los Angeles area. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 19 05:03:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91892 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 11:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 11:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 11:54:10 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GPeAG-0000HY-5v for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:53:24 -0400 Message-ID: <450FDA33.8090001@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 07:53:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47800df650746cd6c7e0bc9b205bd06a3aeda42693142c4904a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor or truth? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=10QVr1RtkOcYxtOl9lLPVdrU1IR4yjurNy3x1x0T4V6W20c X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > This person > > said it was done and Magic Mountain would only be open for one more > > year. > > > > HELP - is this true? > > Rumor. Six Flags Magic Mountain has not yet been sold, but it could be > sold in the future if the right offer came along. > Agreed, it's just a rumor. As Nate mentions, there is talk about the possibility of selling the park, but I don't know that it's progressed much more beyond talk. And many of the local politicians in the area have said, and taken steps to ensure, that they won't allow it to be redeveloped but that it remain as a park. Six Flags has mentioned that they are looking at the possibility of selling it as part of a package with a few other parks. But they've also said that they may end up keeping the park as well. A lot of people heard the "might sell" park and just jumped to the conclusion that it was sold and gone though. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Tue Sep 19 05:39:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70109 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 12:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 12:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 12:32:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 12:32:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 12:32:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:32:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 195.171.40.130 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: Busch Gardens Tampa - Saturday October 21st.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=eshj4U5rv8fnQTJJ_Xsuoqs9eHi6rb6TyHTjed9h-TBFuD2WNEHCyQM X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch"=20 wrote: > >=20 > -Nate, who thinks the I-Drive Trolly has more forces than SheiKra > It's more ricketty than Gwazi too! ;) From lance@screamscape.com Tue Sep 19 07:41:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59088 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 14:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 14:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 14:27:17 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8JAslAi025577 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04bd01c6dbda$05f9faa0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:54:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor or truth? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=lgUiN2V7I22WSVn7bPYgTCN9ggdRyUlQv8TOyx3RfZsIq7dBkMV5ZFDMMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Even if they've had an offer, nothing has been made public yet, but they were only offering the park for sale to other companies who wanted to continue to run it as a park. They are not offering it to land developers yet and the local city is not happy about the idea of losing the park and will likely refuse to rezone it for any other use other than as a theme park. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor or truth? I have been in Yosemite for a week on a very nice motorcycle trip. At dinner last night, someone in the group said that it was a done deal that Six Flags Magic Mountain was sold to developers. I was very upset and said this talk (from the news) but not a done deal. This person said it was done and Magic Mountain would only be open for one more year. HELP - is this true? I can't find anything on a quick search of any truth of this. Thank you for your expertise? Toni From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 08:16:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79497 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.207) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 15:04:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 15:04:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 15:04:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:04:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=bdUnYgQCpm1ohqMvEvDk03ekvKO1bVdPqyLSzqSRAyKePefjsw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "pink_floydfanatic"=20 wrote: > > Why are they sooo slow at announcing it? Why the big secret? In=20 the=20 > mid to late 1980s Dick Kinzel when he was GM of Valleyfair was not=20 > afraid to tell ACE News about VF's 5 year plans which included a=20 > plan to build a new wooden roller coaster which turns out to be=20 > Excalibur. I gave him a call asking about the new coaster and=20 > mentioned that I'd like something like Riverside Cyclone. He than=20 > told me that he and park officials are planning to tour several=20 USA=20 > parks to see what kind of features to put in the ride. At the time=20 > they were undecide whether it would be a wood track or a steel=20 track=20 > but they later went with a steel track like Gemini but more of a=20 > twister design and you know the rest of the story. Anyway I knew a=20 > bit about them planning this ride much more in advance than I do=20 for=20 > rides that are planned today although I only know they were=20 looking=20 > at doing a wood coaster back then (Excalibur). But today they=20 > (reliable sources) won't even hint at a new woodie! All of the=20 talk=20 > about the new woodie is from employees instead of management!=20 Unless=20 > the new woodie would have some type of element that never been=20 done=20 > before or have some records to be broken I can't understand why=20 the=20 > BIG secret and slow to announce the new coaster! END PARAGRAPH Wow! That was a mouthful. Remember, CedarFair is a much bigger=20 company now. Plus, the rules of the game have changed now. It used=20 to take ages to really get the word out about a new coaster. Now,=20 everybody with a PC knows how many nails will be in the lift hill=20 and what the chain grease will taste like six months before a ride=20 opens. They just don't need to get the word out so early, so they=20 don't. Besides, CF is now always the last to let the cat out of the=20 bag about future projects.=20 From toni_lee_f@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 12:30:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: toni_lee_f@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64484 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 19:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 19:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.209) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 19:13:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 19:11:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 19:11:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 19:11:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:11:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04bd01c6dbda$05f9faa0$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 198.176.189.201 From: "Toni" Subject: Re: Rumor or truth? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10521091; y=G1_giHf_Eu28GlKRab9qL6uEIGZq0vOl0AkjCH6RxHDB8POU3g X-Yahoo-Profile: toni_lee_f Thank you all for your information. Geez, I was having a heart=20 attack. Toni --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Hart" =20 wrote: > > Even if they've had an offer, nothing has been made public yet, but=20 they=20 > were only offering the park for sale to > other companies who wanted to continue to run it as a park. They=20 are not=20 > offering it to land developers yet and > the local city is not happy about the idea of losing the park and=20 will=20 > likely refuse to rezone it for any other use other than as a theme=20 park. >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Toni" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:07 AM > Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Rumor or truth? >=20 >=20 > I have been in Yosemite for a week on a very nice motorcycle trip.=20=20 At > dinner last night, someone in the group said that it was a done deal > that Six Flags Magic Mountain was sold to developers. I was very=20 upset > and said this talk (from the news) but not a done deal. This person > said it was done and Magic Mountain would only be open for one more > year. >=20 > HELP - is this true? I can't find anything on a quick search of any > truth of this. >=20 > Thank you for your expertise? > Toni > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 13:15:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5206 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 20:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 20:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 20:06:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 20:06:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 20:06:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 20:06:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:06:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <450FD94F.6020207@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: CA WILDFIRES PROXIMITY TO SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JItbkrZYqhRTQs7VC9Rs3RJSf6Sz9cy69BTHtqS54q65OLE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 George, Thanks for replying to this. I didn't get a chance to read the story=20 before Sacbee.com moved/removed it: "Not Found. Our apologies.... We can't find the page you requested in=20 this location. The story may have moved or expired." (And they did=20 this after 1 day!) At least I now know what the story is about. (No=20 slight against you, Joe.) Which brings up a minor issue (or is it an issue? - I just don't=20 know). I always include the story with the link in my posts. I know=20 many of you don't like it because it takes up space (or is that an=20 issue any more?), and sometimes they are long (not much I can do=20 about that, I edit the best I can), but I'm not certain as to what=20 other solution there is to this issue. Any ideas? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > > This is a must see. > > http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/25258.html=20 > It's practically an annual or semi-annual event out there. Every=20 year=20 > the Santa Ana, or sometimes called Santana, winds come up and a=20 bunch of=20 > wild and huge grassfires come up. That area gets hit so often it's=20 not=20 > funny. In the six years I lived on the coast there were 3 times=20 when=20 > the fires were so big that they were raining ash down on us. >=20 > So while it sounds dramatic, and the smoke cloud in the picture=20 looks=20 > scary, it's really nothing that is much out of the ordinary or much=20 to=20 > worry about. >=20 > Just kind of funny that the source of the good info is from a=20 newspaper=20 > on the other end of the state instead of one in the Los Angeles=20 area. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 13:28:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44306 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 20:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 20:09:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 20:09:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 20:08:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 20:08:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:08:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: MISC: Aaaargh! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=QJ8pzExUFCMBwz6UYimIJDmSbblWryXiuB3ZLqUBCtKDFRk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Maybe, they're thinking you NEED to be suicidal to go on this ride, and=20 the're just helping you along ;) -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > Oh, Robb FINALLY posted my Eejanaika video < >=20 > Wow. I love watching the seats rotate. That's got to be incredibly > disorienting. >=20 > What's up with the music? Is that what you hear in the queue line, > kids chanting the name of the ride over and over? If so, I think by > the time I got on board I'd be suicidal. > Jay From lance@screamscape.com Tue Sep 19 14:08:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88430 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 20:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 20:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 20:57:38 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8JIpPLZ008657 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <061901c6dc1c$9c9b3450$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:51:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=uKmywc6lA2bA406ydgD19KLKyqithkb7pROpYYPeT88JtrDMcaGUBSp-ZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance From: "Chris" Wow! That was a mouthful. Remember, CedarFair is a much bigger company now. Plus, the rules of the game have changed now. It used to take ages to really get the word out about a new coaster. Now, everybody with a PC knows how many nails will be in the lift hill and what the chain grease will taste like six months before a ride opens. They just don't need to get the word out so early, so they don't. Besides, CF is now always the last to let the cat out of the bag about future projects. ---- Parks have also figured out that if they hold off big announcements until they are ready to pre-sale season passes for the next year, a well timed ammouncement can increase early pass sales. Announce it too early in the season (June for example) and people may put off visiting the park until the next year when do open something good. From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Tue Sep 19 15:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95587 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 22:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 22:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.133) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 22:37:51 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8JKiRtP026246 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006401c6dc2c$689ab940$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:44:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: CA WILDFIRES PROXIMITY TO SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=_hiDjR7BGqt8wFOj43nTnVRYEQ3I4-v_FaMiESZsjW_ujtq9MbpI X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No slight taken..... I went to go show it to someone, and was shocked it was moved or taken down already. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: CA WILDFIRES PROXIMITY TO SFMM George, Thanks for replying to this. I didn't get a chance to read the story before Sacbee.com moved/removed it: "Not Found. Our apologies.... We can't find the page you requested in this location. The story may have moved or expired." (And they did this after 1 day!) At least I now know what the story is about. (No slight against you, Joe.) Which brings up a minor issue (or is it an issue? - I just don't know). I always include the story with the link in my posts. I know many of you don't like it because it takes up space (or is that an issue any more?), and sometimes they are long (not much I can do about that, I edit the best I can), but I'm not certain as to what other solution there is to this issue. Any ideas? -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash wrote: > > THUNDER7NYFL wrote: > > This is a must see. > > http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/25258.html > It's practically an annual or semi-annual event out there. Every year > the Santa Ana, or sometimes called Santana, winds come up and a bunch of > wild and huge grassfires come up. That area gets hit so often it's not > funny. In the six years I lived on the coast there were 3 times when > the fires were so big that they were raining ash down on us. > > So while it sounds dramatic, and the smoke cloud in the picture looks > scary, it's really nothing that is much out of the ordinary or much to > worry about. > > Just kind of funny that the source of the good info is from a newspaper > on the other end of the state instead of one in the Los Angeles area. > > keep on ridin' > George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 16:06:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83852 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2006 22:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2006 22:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2006 22:47:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 22:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 22:47:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2006 22:47:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:47:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <450FD94F.6020207@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.0.198 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: CA WILDFIRES PROXIMITY TO SFMM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=dqwuAj70kcip9KkAbYRdPyE7sgoU4cVCL10bDFTDcDENTeqF6Fsu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Just kind of funny that the source of the good info is from a newspaper on the other end of the state instead of one in the Los Angeles area. < Yeah, the picture ran in our local paper today. It does look really dramatic. But obviously if the park was in danger no one would be riding coasters.... Jay From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Sep 20 00:09:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26505 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 07:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 07:09:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 07:08:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 07:08:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:08:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=LLEW_ZQdHavDnclaqsTI3Z1U-zKicXxgz-oz6Gajbb5tSaHztw X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg After setting the Guniess Book's WORLDS LONGEST PARAGRAPH RECORD >=20 >=20 > END PARAGRAPH >=20 > Wow! That was a mouthful. Remember, CedarFair is a much bigger=20 > company now. Plus, the rules of the game have changed now. It used=20 > to take ages to really get the word out about a new coaster. Now,=20 > everybody with a PC knows how many nails will be in the lift hill=20 > and what the chain grease will taste like six months before a ride=20 > opens. They just don't need to get the word out so early, so they=20 > don't. Besides, CF is now always the last to let the cat out of the=20 > bag about future projects. > What about those of us who have a Mac? Do we not know how many nails are go= ing to be in=20 the lift hill?? Actually, I was about to post the same thing, alot has chan= ged w/ technology=20 since the days of Excalibur.... message boards, yahoogroups & *bear* chat r= ooms have=20 gotten the word around about coasters faster and faster, so no need for 3 y= ear leaks! jeremy d. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 00:28:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99455 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 07:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 07:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 07:28:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 07:28:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 07:28:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:28:22 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=rZsjJ2LeK_RqyJt43ZGT2y2WjnIjuyfuqOK_MZgc07VQs8YixQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "djbosshogg"=20 wrote: > > After setting the Guniess Book's WORLDS LONGEST PARAGRAPH RECORD > >=20 > >=20 > > END PARAGRAPH > >=20 > > Wow! That was a mouthful. Remember, CedarFair is a much bigger=20 > > company now. Plus, the rules of the game have changed now. It=20 used=20 > > to take ages to really get the word out about a new coaster.=20 Now,=20 > > everybody with a PC knows how many nails will be in the lift=20 hill=20 > > and what the chain grease will taste like six months before a=20 ride=20 > > opens. They just don't need to get the word out so early, so=20 they=20 > > don't. Besides, CF is now always the last to let the cat out of=20 the=20 > > bag about future projects. > > >=20 > What about those of us who have a Mac? Do we not know how many=20 nails are going to be in=20 > the lift hill?? Actually, I was about to post the same thing, alot=20 has changed w/ technology=20 > since the days of Excalibur.... message boards, yahoogroups &=20 *bear* chat rooms have=20 > gotten the word around about coasters faster and faster, so no=20 need for 3 year leaks! >=20 > jeremy d. Any computer used in the home whether Apple or otherwise and=20 regardless of OS environment is still a 'personal computer.' I=20 intended no offense by my previous statement. So if you were=20 offended...=20 Bite me.=20 (With sugar on top!) :P I am actually surprised that no one ran with the line about the=20 taste of the chain grease! =3D) Chris B (I'm putting my Himeji / Kobe / Zaturn photos together right now.) From lance@screamscape.com Wed Sep 20 07:20:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41130 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 14:17:16 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8KBjrxd000125 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <040e01c6dcaa$55439000$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:45:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=B3_ZMd5CsPLC7ldwoZcjAnvNMAwUtuIOybDMPU0M3MMzMJnCFCuruQF-ng X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" I am actually surprised that no one ran with the line about the taste of the chain grease! =) ----- Mmmmmmm...tasty chaaaain greaaase! (in best Homer Simposon voice...) From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Sep 20 11:01:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71952 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 17:43:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 17:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 17:43:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 17:42:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 17:42:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 17:42:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:42:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=KYhPpbU-AzUdSvijRL7ZdZY2NsPJc8vIRUnIpVM2PVgQurIOO0Ga0fIG2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 wrote: > I am actually surprised that no one ran with the line about the=20 > taste of the chain grease! =3D) isnt that what they fry the Twinkies in? From dougjnelson@gmail.com Wed Sep 20 11:06:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75383 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 17:36:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 17:36:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:36:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Python news from BGT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=YY9reOkc_LOYas6WtLLlgtH-75ql_8XMjpj3TRWiLTgxnZ8hHZK1KhTZww X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 Python may slide into park history Busch Gardens' plan to renovate its Congo area could mean its 30- year-old ride is nearing its last corkscrew turn. By MARK ALBRIGHT, Times Staff Writer Published September 20, 2006 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- TAMPA - Is the Python, once touted as a death-defying thrill ride,=20 headed into its last loop? Busch Gardens Africa officials are not confirming anything. But the=20 Tampa theme park has taken out demolition permits as a prelude to=20 overhauling the Congo, a corner of the 335-acre park that the big=20 yellow and black coaster has anchored for 30 years. Theme park and coaster fan Web sites brim with speculation quoting=20 anonymous insiders that the curtain will fall on the Python right=20 after the park's monthlong Howl-O-Scream celebration ends in October. Screamscape.com even posted new park guest maps not yet distributed=20 that show the entire Congo area walled off as a construction zone.=20 BGTguide.com, which follows park ride developments with the zeal of=20 Woodward and Bernstein, thinks a themed kids play area is part of=20 the replacement plan. Because of the park's funding cycle, it's doubtful another major=20 thrill ride will open at Busch Gardens until 2008 or 2009, the=20 park's 50th anniversary year. The Python is one of the first of a once-daring breed of double=20 corkscrew-style steel coasters that flipped riders upside down.=20 Busch first promoted the ride in 1976 with the tag line "I=20 challenged the Python and lived." Unfortunately, the ad campaign was pulled within weeks of the=20 opening after one rider - a 6-foot-6, 340-pound, 39-year-old heart=20 patient - challenged the Python and died. Then, as now, health warnings were posted for people with heart and=20 back troubles. However, in today's world of stomach-churning, can-you-top-this=20 coasters, the Python's two rotations are variously rated by coaster=20 enthusiasts as tame to lame. So reactions posted on fan Web sites=20 have been subdued. One poster even said a Starbucks would be an=20 improvement. The Python, however, does carry sentimental value. ""If the rumors are true, it would be sad to lose this classic that=20 for many holds a special place in our hearts," said Chris=20 Kraftchick, a regional officer with the American Coaster=20 Enthusiasts. "It was my first looping coaster." Subsequent generations of rival coasters run much faster than the=20 Python's 50 mph. They last three to four times longer than the=20 Python's 70 seconds, most of which are spent inching up the lift- hill. Sometimes goosed by linear accelerators, today's coasters=20 subject riders to g-forces, 90-degree drops and flight patterns=20 borrowed from barnstorming stunt pilots. Busch officials have made no secret the Congo is next on their=20 renovation list now that the Serengeti, Timbuktu, Stanleyville,=20 Veldt, the front gate and the parking lots have been upgraded over=20 the past decade. But they have been vague about what they plan to do=20 there beyond freshen up the jungle theme and build new animal=20 habitats for the park's white tigers and probably for an orangutan=20 displaced from Stanleyville by the SheiKra dive coaster. Busch promotes itself as a blend of rides, animals and live=20 entertainment. But the park's marketing edge for young thrill=20 seekers relies on having the largest collection of coasters in=20 Florida, a tradition that started with the Python. Without it, Busch=20 still would have seven coasters counting both of Gwazi's tracks. http://www.sptimes.com/2006/09/20/Tampabay/Python_may_slide_into.shtm l i like the part about the "major thrill ride in 08 or 09". come on,=20 everybody-"east coast X! east coast X! east coast X!" :P From drounds@jvlnet.com Wed Sep 20 11:39:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96688 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 18:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 18:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 18:33:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 13380 invoked by uid 99); 20 Sep 2006 18:32:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20060920183232.13379.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 20 Sep 2006 13:32:32 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=AypDt1epaRXB9112WeT3dNhh7ZtXdN2mFW_tNs5QRDMkB3Lh X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters GURNEE, Ill. (AP) -- Six Flags has an interesting proposition for roller-coaster lovers who don't like waiting in long lines. The Gurnee amusement park is offering a line-skipping pass to people who eat a live Madagascar hissing cockroach. It's all part of a promotion for Great America's annual Fright-Fest, which starts October Seventh. Each roach-eater will get a pass to let themselves and three friends skip to the front of the line for any ride. Great America spokesman James Taylor says the roaches are considered safe to eat but everyone will be required to sign a waiver before tossing one back. Adult Madagascar hissing cockroaches are two-and-a-half to three inches long. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 12:43:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83264 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 19:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 19:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.180) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 19:27:57 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 19:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 19:26:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 19:26:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:26:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: VF's 2007 coaster. Why the BIG secret?? Why the BIG wait for the announcement? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=DfPOZ8HA-T8smFVPSOp_odVFd3p2TiK41g9lhJgt3Yb5PwY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" =20 > wrote: > > I am actually surprised that no one ran with the line about the=20 > > taste of the chain grease! =3D) >=20 > isnt that what they fry the Twinkies in? > No. CHAIN grease. You know, like McDonalds, Jack in the Box... -Alan From lance@screamscape.com Wed Sep 20 13:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94644 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 19:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 19:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.103) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 19:44:59 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8KJilaJ019629 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <047601c6dced$3d119480$6600a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:44:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Python news from BGT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=YuiFTix2U6ft7-L-mOiFPqpGzGGHjJkPI5GFfTLUlxBhlfgL9P_scIlMWg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance Woohoo... free plug. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Python news from BGT Python may slide into park history Busch Gardens' plan to renovate its Congo area could mean its 30- year-old ride is nearing its last corkscrew turn. By MARK ALBRIGHT, Times Staff Writer Published September 20, 2006 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- TAMPA - Is the Python, once touted as a death-defying thrill ride, headed into its last loop? Busch Gardens Africa officials are not confirming anything. But the Tampa theme park has taken out demolition permits as a prelude to overhauling the Congo, a corner of the 335-acre park that the big yellow and black coaster has anchored for 30 years. Theme park and coaster fan Web sites brim with speculation quoting anonymous insiders that the curtain will fall on the Python right after the park's monthlong Howl-O-Scream celebration ends in October. Screamscape.com even posted new park guest maps not yet distributed that show the entire Congo area walled off as a construction zone. BGTguide.com, which follows park ride developments with the zeal of Woodward and Bernstein, thinks a themed kids play area is part of the replacement plan. Because of the park's funding cycle, it's doubtful another major thrill ride will open at Busch Gardens until 2008 or 2009, the park's 50th anniversary year. The Python is one of the first of a once-daring breed of double corkscrew-style steel coasters that flipped riders upside down. Busch first promoted the ride in 1976 with the tag line "I challenged the Python and lived." Unfortunately, the ad campaign was pulled within weeks of the opening after one rider - a 6-foot-6, 340-pound, 39-year-old heart patient - challenged the Python and died. Then, as now, health warnings were posted for people with heart and back troubles. However, in today's world of stomach-churning, can-you-top-this coasters, the Python's two rotations are variously rated by coaster enthusiasts as tame to lame. So reactions posted on fan Web sites have been subdued. One poster even said a Starbucks would be an improvement. The Python, however, does carry sentimental value. ""If the rumors are true, it would be sad to lose this classic that for many holds a special place in our hearts," said Chris Kraftchick, a regional officer with the American Coaster Enthusiasts. "It was my first looping coaster." Subsequent generations of rival coasters run much faster than the Python's 50 mph. They last three to four times longer than the Python's 70 seconds, most of which are spent inching up the lift- hill. Sometimes goosed by linear accelerators, today's coasters subject riders to g-forces, 90-degree drops and flight patterns borrowed from barnstorming stunt pilots. Busch officials have made no secret the Congo is next on their renovation list now that the Serengeti, Timbuktu, Stanleyville, Veldt, the front gate and the parking lots have been upgraded over the past decade. But they have been vague about what they plan to do there beyond freshen up the jungle theme and build new animal habitats for the park's white tigers and probably for an orangutan displaced from Stanleyville by the SheiKra dive coaster. Busch promotes itself as a blend of rides, animals and live entertainment. But the park's marketing edge for young thrill seekers relies on having the largest collection of coasters in Florida, a tradition that started with the Python. Without it, Busch still would have seven coasters counting both of Gwazi's tracks. http://www.sptimes.com/2006/09/20/Tampabay/Python_may_slide_into.shtm l i like the part about the "major thrill ride in 08 or 09". come on, everybody-"east coast X! east coast X! east coast X!" :P From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 13:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75933 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 19:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 19:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 19:54:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 19:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 19:47:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:47:32 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Pasay_amusement_park,_victim=92s_kin_reach_settlement?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=aPFoFloseRhrhteoY9EOLhxgqipvPK0np5EaXqYa_y4f-Js X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09/19/2006 INQ7.net http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/metroregions/view_article.php? article_id=3D21882 Pasay City, Manila -- The management of an amusement park in Pasay=20 City where a teener fell to her death in one of its rides has reached=20 an agreement with her family, a GMA Network "Flash Report" said. Quoting one of the executives of Star City, the report said the=20 family of Rachel Gem Suba has decided to accept the money that was=20 offered in exchange for not filing a case against the theme park. The report said the amount was more than the 200,000-500,000-peso=20 insurance money the Star City management would usually give to those=20 who would suffer injuries from its rides. The agreement was reached after a hearing at the House of=20 Representatives on Tuesday where the formation of a board that would=20 regulate the operation of theme parks was discussed, the report said. Suba, a resident of Dagupan Street in Tondo, Manila fell to her death=20 last September 11 from one of the logboats of the Wild River ride,=20 one of the attractions of Star City. Shennies Manuel, Suba's friend, told the police that the victim=20 suddenly felt dizzy and stood up from her seat while they were at the=20 ride's highest point. "The victim was thrown out of the boat and fell=20 to the ground," investigator Police Officer 3 Reynaldo Aguba said in=20 his report. Suba was rushed to the San Juan De Dios hospital where Dr. Reginaldo=20 Panopio declared her dead on arrival, Aguba said. Suba's injuries included a fractured left thigh, lacerations on her=20 chin and a hematoma on her chest, Aguba said. -------- Copyright 2006 INQ7.net From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 20 13:41:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8047 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 20:08:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 20:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.195) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 20:08:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 20:07:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 20:07:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2006 20:07:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:07:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.195 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme Park Vets Plan Billion-Dollar Resort X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nxkFih4Q8-_j7yeZ_LQeh1JMDv_jGFfI3rxcDyxFFswKC-M X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 20, 2006 Globe St.com http://www.globest.com/news/724_724/lasvegas/149168-1.html By Brian K. Miller LAS VEGAS, NV -- A $1.1-billion destination resort anchored by an=20 indoor snow park and a massive indoor-outdoor water park is being=20 planned for more than 100 acres on Las Vegas Blvd. south of I-215 by=20 a group of former Disney and Universal Studios executives, designers,=20 architects and engineers. In addition to the ski and water park=20 components, plans include 2 hotels, a casino, an events arena, a spa,=20 a multiplex theater and several nationally recognized restaurants and=20 retailers. The developer is Las Vegas Wet LLC. One of the co-founders is Steve=20 Dooner, who spent 30 years in development and operations with the=20 likes of Disney, Universal, Paramount Parks, Raging Waters and other=20 theme parks around the world. His work includes brands like Chuck E.=20 Cheese and Discovery Zone, Club Disney, DisneyQuest, ESPNZone, and=20 Universal Studios Japan. In addition to heading up Las Vegas Wet LLC,=20 Dooner is a principal with Proteus Creative, an entertainment=20 development company. Dooner tells GlobeSt.com that he's got $1.1 billion lined up from a=20 consortium of banks and joint venture partners from New York,=20 Connecticut and the UK. The cost to construct the resort will range=20 from $800-$850 million; most of the remainder will be used to acquire=20 the property, Dooner says. The best case scenario has the development=20 up and running by the end of 2008; the more likely scenario is the=20 middle of 2009.=20 "When Wet-N-Wild closed in 2004, Vegas became one of the only major=20 cities in the US without some sort of water park somewhere nearby,"=20 Dooner says. "So my plan started life as a water park but the land=20 costs were too prohibitive so I got a bunch of gurus together--old=20 buddies from Universal and Disney--and said 'what should we do and=20 how much should it cost.'" The most unique part of the project is the indoor ski park, Dooner=20 says. There are 40 "snow domes" worldwide, mostly in Europe and Asia,=20 and no such facility in the US, though one is planned as part of=20 Mills Corp.'s Meadowlands Xanadu development in New Jersey. Dooner=20 says the one in Vegas likely will be in partnership with X-Leisure, a=20 UK-based company run by a former Disney alum that has developed=20 Xscape-branded facilities in Milton Keynes; Castleford, Leeds; and=20 Braehead, Glascow.=20 As for the location, Dooner isn't being too specific until he closes=20 on the land, most of which is already under contract. All he's=20 willing to say now is that the land is located along Las Vegas Blvd.,=20 south of I-215 and north of St. Rose Parkway. The investor group spent a year analyzing the needs of Las Vegas both=20 from a tourist perspective and a local's perspective. "Wet-N-Wild,=20 because it was on the Strip, only drew 13% locals, the rest were=20 tourists," Dooner says. "Having our facility somewhat away from the=20 Strip but close to I-215" will make it more accessible to the=20 region's 1.8 million locals, he says, and having hotels on site will=20 help attract the tourists along with cooperative deals with resort=20 casinos that don't have major water features. The resort's atmosphere will be Disney-like, with characters, musical=20 bands and other entertainers roaming the grounds. Retail and=20 restaurants will be spread throughout the park. The arena will seat=20 5,000 for concerts and sporting events. The casino will have a=20 tropical theme. The water park and indoor skiing and snow play area,=20 called "Snow Dome," each will have its own themed, 600-room hotel.=20 Dooner says one of the cool technology features of the resort will be=20 radio frequency wrist bands tied to a credit card or hotel so guests=20 don't have to carry cash or credit cards around with them at the park=20 to purchase food.=20 The water park will cover 30 acres and have several different themed=20 areas. Luxe lagoon, the main entry and central hub, will include a=20 giant wave pool and indoor beach, water slides and rivers wherein=20 guests can float to other areas, such as Painted Desert Oasis, which=20 will mimic Bryce Canyon National Park and include water slides,=20 swirling pools and private cabanas; Survivor Island, a South Seas- themed area with beaches, pools, and water adventures; Glacier Bay, a=20 family area with cold geyser fountains, mini slides, a pint-sized=20 inner tube river, and squirt gun stations; and Riviera, a 21-and-over=20 area with a beach, pools and hot tubs, a fine restaurant, bar and=20 dance club. In addition to Dooner, project participants include:=20 Las Vegas Wet LLC co-founder Greg Stevens, the founder of S&G=20 Management Group LLC, a consulting and management company focused on=20 the entertainment business. Kelly Horton, co-founder Proteus Creative, a 20-year veteran of the=20 high-tech industry, managing customers, projects, and programs for=20 such firms as Sun Microsystems and Mentor Graphics. Harrison Price, retired founder of Economic Research Associates,=20 performed the original feasibility study for Disneyland and has=20 advised on many major theme parks developed over the past 50 years=20 including all those of Disney and Universal Studio. Fred Cochrane, the financial analyst performing the feasibility=20 study, co-founded ERA with Price and has been providing financial=20 advice to theme parks since 1962. Thinkwell Design and Production, a Burbank, CA-based company that=20 specializes in the turnkey design and production of experience-based=20 attractions, exhibits, live shows and environments for the likes of=20 Harrah's, MGM, Nike, the Los Angeles Dodgers, Universal Studios,=20 MasterCard and Sesame Workshop.=20 --------- Copyright =A9 2006 ALM Properties, Inc. From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Sep 20 14:24:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11575 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2006 21:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2006 21:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2006 21:10:40 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8KIihXA002411 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701c6dce4$da959c50$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: References: <20060920183232.13379.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:44:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=FEP2fttXRreLHL6BSn6DX-HvCuFrv04HKm4I6zEB1mo93RlbtOIz X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To borrow the Homer Simpson Line. MMMMMMMMMMM!..... Live Hissing Madagascar Cockroaches. Just kidding, YUCK! I hope they have barf bags on site. Joe Tampa, Fla. ----- Original Message ----- From: David R. Rounds To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters GURNEE, Ill. (AP) -- Six Flags has an interesting proposition for roller-coaster lovers who don't like waiting in long lines. The Gurnee amusement park is offering a line-skipping pass to people who eat a live Madagascar hissing cockroach. It's all part of a promotion for Great America's annual Fright-Fest, which starts October Seventh. Each roach-eater will get a pass to let themselves and three friends skip to the front of the line for any ride. Great America spokesman James Taylor says the roaches are considered safe to eat but everyone will be required to sign a waiver before tossing one back. Adult Madagascar hissing cockroaches are two-and-a-half to three inches long. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 08:20:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12597 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 15:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 15:20:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:20:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:19:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:19:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:19:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:19:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Leaders back theme-park boss X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ySh9LQMFzp0-kXoz3CXz2vpBb38eOudYtKiXCcnvEXDP79A X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 17, 2006 Orlando Sentinel http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/southwest/orl- swcypress1706sep17,0,4238333.story?track=3Drss=20 by Kelly Griffith WINTER HAVEN, FL -- Cypress Gardens Adventure Park may have filed for=20 Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, but locals haven't lost confidence=20 in the reborn park or its savior. The park filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors in Georgia=20 federal court, listing more than $50 million in debts, forced mainly=20 from unpaid insurance claims from the trio of hurricanes that passed=20 through in 2004, park officials said. "This is not a surprise," said=20 Winter Haven Area Chamber of Commerce Executive Director Bob=20 Gernert. "We knew it [the insurance claim] was causing serious=20 concern." The park and its insurer, Landmark American Insurance Co. and J.=20 Smith Lanier & Co., have been embroiled in a civil lawsuit in Polk=20 County circuit court over the insurance claims, which total more than=20 $24 million. CG's owner Kent Buescher, who spent $50 million buying and revamping=20 the park after it closed in 2003, said last week that only about $7=20 million in hurricane damage has been paid, leaving the park with too=20 many bills to handle without the relief of Chapter 11 to stave off=20 creditors for a while. The storms rolled through just before the park's reopening after much=20 of the work had been done. The bankruptcy move will also allow the park to borrow $13 million=20 more from GE Capital to help in the near term, he said. "Kent is=20 brilliant," Gernert said. "We're optimistic Kent will use this=20 opportunity [wisely]." Dick Pope Jr., whose family founded CG 70 years ago before it closed=20 in 2003 because of poor attendance, also expressed confidence in=20 Buescher and had nothing positive to say about how some insurance=20 companies responded after the storms. Some homeowners have had=20 problems with slow payment, and one local school is also still=20 wrestling with a large claim, Gernert said. "I think he [Buescher] is=20 a great guy," Pope added. The park's main creditor listed in bankruptcy paperwork is Onesource=20 Landscape & Golf, an Atlanta-based company that specializes in theme- park landscaping that also has offices in Tampa. It is owed more than=20 $1.1 million. The park also owes the Florida Department of Revenue more than=20 $635,000; D&D Construction in Orlando nearly $249,000; and more than=20 $245,000 to Whitewater West Industries Ltd., a Canadian company that=20 designs and builds water slides. Other area companies that are owed money, according to in the=20 bankruptcy file, are: DMA Engineering Inc. of Lakeland, PRG Lighting=20 Orlando and WFTV Inc. of Orlando. Park officials met with employees first thing Tuesday morning to=20 explain the bankruptcy filing and say it will have no impact on the=20 700 full-time or 300 part-time employees at either CG or its=20 affiliated $10 million water park, Splash Island, which opened in=20 February. Patrons and season-pass holders will not be affected, park officials=20 said. Attendance figures are up with the opening of the water park, said=20 spokesperson Sara Sumner. The park expected 750,000 visitors in its first year of operation=20 after reopening in late 2004, but 1.3 million people came. There was=20 a slight dip in the first part of 2006, but the opening of the water=20 park boosted numbers again, and park attendance this summer was up=20 16.5% over last summer. "This involves non-operational issues,"=20 Buescher said of the Chapter 11 filing. "We've done well and are=20 ahead of what plan we had." On Tuesday, just after the Chapter 11 announcement was made public,=20 the park was operating like any typical weekday. 2 Junior Belles, teens adorned in lavish Southern attire, strolled=20 through the shady park in canary yellow and royal blue hoop skirts as=20 tourists snapped photos. Country music, a staple at the park, was=20 piped through hidden speakers. By late afternoon, a Starbucks had=20 little more than decaf coffee for sale. Gernert said the best thing the community can do is keep going to the=20 park. "Renew those passes," he said. --------- Copyright =A9 2006, Orlando Sentinel From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 08:20:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85889 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 15:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 15:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:13:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:11:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:11:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:11:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:11:45 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Indoor theme park to come up in capital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=dw-rwfPb6uvp2Z_BBo92wE2P5k9fFUcXB58C0fJude4Gmkc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 20 September 2006 The Khaleej Times http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp? xfile=3Ddata/theuae/2006/September/theuae_September659.xml§ion=3Dtheua e&col=3D By Silvia Radan ABU DHABI =97- The biggest indoor theme park in the world and the first=20 in the Middle East covering 80,000 sq.mt. will be built in Abu Dhabi=20 at a cost of 2.5 billion euros (Dh11.64 billion). The park will be=20 completed by 2009. Hollywood Adventures, a US-based group of companies specialised in=20 theme parks, whose clients include Walt Disney and Warner Bros, and=20 Italian Group Co, announced on Tuesday that they had just taken the=20 first step by signing a Letter of Intent with Italian Arner Bank to=20 establish a Real Estate Fund for financing the project. The project will include an indoor Hollywood Adventure Park, movie=20 theme park and international VIP centre, international horse racing=20 track, Formula One motor racing training circuit, fountain park with=20 the highest fountain in the world, congress centre with an=20 international innovation centre, large residential area reflecting=20 the themes of the Hollywood Adventure Park and hotels. The UAE partner is the Italian Group from Sharjah, which has signed a=20 contract with Leisure Entertainment Consultancy, part of Hollywood=20 Adventure Group, for the master plan of the project. --------- =A9 2006 Khaleej Times From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 08:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43501 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:28:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:28:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:28:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:28:29 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disney taking "Jungle Cruise" to Hollywood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=eyBtfCVugJVODAWq1CooeUbnDrNSBZax1g6EmM5qnjOHFiA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09/21/2006 Cinema Confidential http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?sid=3D54 Burbank, CA -- The Hollywood Reporter reports that Walt Disney Pictures=20 is looking to turn another theme park ride into a feature film=20 following the success of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" franchise. The studio would like to turn "Jungle Cruise" into a feature film=20 for "Smallville" creators Al Gough and Miles Millar to pen the=20 screenplay. "Jungle Cruise" is one of Disneyland's original park attractions which=20 opened in 1955. The ride thrills users by taking them through a jungle=20 filled with wild creatures and animals. --------- =A9 1997-2006 by Cinema Confidential From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 08:35:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8502 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 15:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 15:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.199) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:27:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:26:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:26:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:26:03 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: RUMOR: Begorrah! Leprechaun theme park for Jackson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ocB5q62Zzl3SSaDY_JiJURk6ln6SgLj8CrH8g20ypyCSK_I X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 21st, 2006 MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14626186/ By Jeannette Walls Ireland -- Looks like Michael Jackson has taken a liking to the wee=20 folk of Ireland. The "Thriller" singer, who left the U.S. for the Mideast following=20 his acquittal on sex charges, has been spending time on the Emerald=20 Isle recently, and is looking into buying an estate there =97 possibly=20 a castle =97 according to reports. What's more, he's supposedly interested in opening up a leprechaun- inspired theme park. "Michael is deadly serious about this idea," a source told Ireland's=20 Daily Mirror. "He loves the whole idea of leprechauns and the magic=20 and myths of Ireland. It would cost around 500 million Euros [about=20 $635 million] to do. He's always wanted to open his own theme park=20 and he thinks Ireland is the perfect place and it will all be built=20 around the leprechaun theme." The cash-strapped singer reportedly is meeting with businessmen to=20 raise money for the park. -------- =A9 2006 MSNBC.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 08:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31684 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 15:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 15:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.162) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:35:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:34:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:34:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:34:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:33:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Disney taking "Jungle Cruise" to Hollywood X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=brOWhqM1dcCWzDKnme3IxycEJzlecTRH6Lk5IXwiEC2C-qM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I don't write them, I just report them. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > 09/21/2006 > Cinema Confidential > http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?sid=3D54 >=20 > Burbank, CA -- The Hollywood Reporter reports that Walt Disney=20 Pictures=20 > is looking to turn another theme park ride into a feature film=20 > following the success of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" franchise. >=20 > The studio would like to turn "Jungle Cruise" into a feature film=20 > for "Smallville" creators Al Gough and Miles Millar to pen the=20 > screenplay. >=20 > "Jungle Cruise" is one of Disneyland's original park attractions=20 which=20 > opened in 1955. The ride thrills users by taking them through a=20 jungle=20 > filled with wild creatures and animals. > --------- > =A9 1997-2006 by Cinema Confidential From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Thu Sep 21 08:51:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19583 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 15:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 15:43:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.237) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:43:43 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s19so703549wxc for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.117.11 with SMTP id p11mr7437606agc; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f18sm2225702qba.2006.09.21.08.41.37; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:41:38 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:41:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acbdk/P8+WuiwX7VT22FmoKw2x3hiAAAF1Ww X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Message-ID: <4512b2b2.4068651d.453d.7119@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: RE: RUMOR: Begorrah! Leprechaun theme park for Jackson? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=gll6_na7cHU6YaGv9n-23jbGNNLovr9nEonwoEByZye3Xxw X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "What's more, he's supposedly interested in opening up a leprechaun-inspired theme park." Maybe he's switched to leprechauns because they're little but still legal? Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dougjnelson@gmail.com Thu Sep 21 08:51:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42877 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 15:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 15:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 15:47:04 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:46:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:46:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 15:46:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:46:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.212 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Halloween decorations, amusement park style X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=yQxBm9tklXoPKwp1pYbJNvdrukxYK0sgs_l0dlQL_nEslJksBmu2GlCxfg X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 ok for some reason they are not on the target website, but they have 4=20 amusement park-themed moving illuminated halloween decorations. one is=20 a carousel, one is like a swing-like thing, i think one was a haunted=20 house(duh), not sure of the 4th one. they were pretty cool, about 20=20 or 30 dollars a piece. if you are in target try and find em.=20 From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Sep 21 10:06:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41097 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 17:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 17:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 17:01:35 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.c85.20da700 (62952) for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:00:46 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Renegade to Hit Valley Fair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=GefPu5C1nWxsQXbIxig1sTmESeYRdESEiWZ2s6USSSBbJjHgkg X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A new wood coaster is coming to Valley Fair. _www.valleyfair.com_ (http://www.valleyfair.com) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From edi_meister@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 10:12:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3714 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 17:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 17:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.179) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 17:07:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 17:07:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:07:23 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Lateral forces on Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=x9XcQmIlE2cvZPPUZwWO3cMiQTibxzu9nwOFVrVovzmR5pBAyr0 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Hi Guys, I thought I'd ask a slightly more techncial vein, and this concerning lateral forces on this new Maverick. (It looks pretty wild!) I took a few runs on the Italian Job at PCW and found that its sharp turning left and right caused me some neck pain. I find I have to ride that with my head more relaxed. In looking at Maverick's layout and the CGI POV I am seeing some hard tilting left and right, so the train is being rotated over laterally with the track at the center of rotation. While this is necessary for the sharp turns it must navigate, I wonder about the biomechanical response in my neck area. (I have no existing back or neck problems.) BTW, my son thinks the POV was done up on RCT3. Is he right? Thanks, Andrew From edi_meister@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 10:13:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26500 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 17:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 17:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.148) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 17:10:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 17:09:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 17:09:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2006 17:09:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:09:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Max inversions on Eejanaika X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=5fB1oyppCiPClVr67VVrtsTLAr98CXleyjPqje7klg95G9WMUj0 X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister It appears as though Eejanaika is holding a Guiness record for maximum inversions on a roller coaster, which seems to be an incredible 14. Does anybody know how this is counted and to what extent this can be believed? I find it hard to believe that a rider experiences total inversion 14 times. Andrew From cameron@buzzneon.com Thu Sep 21 11:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69531 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2006 18:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2006 18:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2006 18:30:00 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k8LITenJ022973 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:29:40 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:29:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D17B459-0351-492D-AC25-75AD98E2E935@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:29:25 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2006 18:29:40.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[E66DF5F0:01C6DDAB] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Lateral forces on Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=ywxjrDBylZ50VKftmUXx4TaYiza3diSB_vYRvFkmOKpt0TW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon Remember, the POV is just computer generated for marketing purposes, so I doubt that the banking and angles are even close to being accurate. That said, I'd be really surprised if Intamin would design the ride that banked around the track, rather than the rider's heart- line. In short, I don't think you have anything to worry about .. Intamin are probably the second best turn builders in the business (with B&M being the best). The ride will probably pull little (if any) lateral forces.. Have you ridden any of the Intamin hyper-coasters? Both Supermen (Darien Lake and New Enagland) have very smooth and fluid turns. Even Rita had excellent banking, however the horrid restraints made for a terribly uncomfortable ride. Cameron. On Sep 21, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Andrew wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I thought I'd ask a slightly more techncial vein, and this concerning > lateral forces on this new Maverick. (It looks pretty wild!) > > I took a few runs on the Italian Job at PCW and found that its sharp > turning left and right caused me some neck pain. I find I have to ride > that with my head more relaxed. > > In looking at Maverick's layout and the CGI POV I am seeing some hard > tilting left and right, so the train is being rotated over laterally > with the track at the center of rotation. While this is necessary for > the sharp turns it must navigate, I wonder about the biomechanical > response in my neck area. (I have no existing back or neck problems.) > > BTW, my son thinks the POV was done up on RCT3. Is he right? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ > RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- Cameron Silver: ** If a man is alone in the * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** forest, is he still wrong?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 18:33:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49815 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 01:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 01:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 01:26:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 01:24:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 01:24:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 01:24:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:24:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060920183232.13379.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.232.77 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=UEOrzVvaorO5gId6hIa1CvCN61hv1eyGyTrchiQOxJ6TAfz9DvKG X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Each roach-eater will get a pass to let themselves and three friends=20 > skip to the front of the line for any ride. < What the heck!? I thought at first this was from ARN&R. This is *real?* > Great America spokesman James Taylor says the roaches are considered=20 > safe to eat but everyone will be required to sign a waiver before=20 > tossing one back. < Are they going to be live or dead? Or gummy? Can you imagine someone trying to swallow a live hissing roach? This is just too bizarre. Actually, no...I have something more bizarre. There's a traveling exhibit landing in various museums across the country. It's human bodies that have been "plasticized" after death and posed in various "natural" activities, like playing tennis or kicking a soccer ball.=20 All well and good -- but the bodies have no skin. It's just muscle, fat and bones. > http://www.bodyworlds.com/index.html < It's ancient Rome all over again! It's only a matter of time before a violinist becomes president.... Coney Island had freak shows, but they were contained there and to traveling circuses. It's as if the U.S. has become one giant traveling circus. Or maybe I'm just getting old.... Jay From edi_meister@yahoo.com Thu Sep 21 19:33:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: edi_meister@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6605 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 02:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 02:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 02:30:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 02:30:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 02:30:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 02:30:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:30:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D17B459-0351-492D-AC25-75AD98E2E935@buzzneon.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.141.69.68 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Lateral forces on Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83789821; y=I-6Rnj4sFa-nEJT8rr13KS2As3n0_nUOM8i3ZDcNsdKe1qZtF5I X-Yahoo-Profile: edi_meister Yes, I realize that is just a marketing POV. Truthfully, I do not have any criticism over any Intamin coasters, and the Italian Job is a Premiere deal. I was just wondering on the overall thoughts on the lateral rotations. Speaking of, you know I made a trip down to SFDL and anxiously rode the Superman, and I wasn't impressed with it much at all. I'll start another thread to see what all the hype is with this ride. It was pretty fast, but I didn't find it all that smooth and the course I found rather tedious. Andrew --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, Cameron Silver wrote: > >=20 > Remember, the POV is just computer generated for marketing purposes,=20=20 > so I doubt that the banking and angles are even close to being=20=20 > accurate. That said, I'd be really surprised if Intamin would design=20=20 > the ride that banked around the track, rather than the rider's heart-=20 > line. >=20 > In short, I don't think you have anything to worry about .. Intamin=20=20 > are probably the second best turn builders in the business (with B&M=20=20 > being the best). The ride will probably pull little (if any) lateral=20=20 > forces.. >=20 > Have you ridden any of the Intamin hyper-coasters? Both Supermen=20=20 > (Darien Lake and New Enagland) have very smooth and fluid turns. Even = =20 > Rita had excellent banking, however the horrid restraints made for a=20=20 > terribly uncomfortable ride. >=20 > Cameron. >=20 > On Sep 21, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Andrew wrote: >=20 > > Hi Guys, > > > > I thought I'd ask a slightly more techncial vein, and this concerning > > lateral forces on this new Maverick. (It looks pretty wild!) > > > > I took a few runs on the Italian Job at PCW and found that its sharp > > turning left and right caused me some neck pain. I find I have to ride > > that with my head more relaxed. > > > > In looking at Maverick's layout and the CGI POV I am seeing some hard > > tilting left and right, so the train is being rotated over laterally > > with the track at the center of rotation. While this is necessary for > > the sharp turns it must navigate, I wonder about the biomechanical > > response in my neck area. (I have no existing back or neck problems.) > > > > BTW, my son thinks the POV was done up on RCT3. Is he right? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/=20 > > RollerCoasterTalk > > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > -- > Cameron Silver: ** If a man is alone in the * ,_~o > cameron@... ** forest, is he still wrong?! * / //\ > **************************************************************** \>> | > I'd rather be Skiing. * \, > From dougjnelson@gmail.com Fri Sep 22 04:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74393 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 11:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 11:07:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 11:07:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 11:06:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 11:06:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:06:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=7aozmPQpI559envL48yP6NINyQ9_WCZmMn-xJZ00SBknyubrFj-huGoiQA X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > > Each roach-eater will get a pass to let themselves and three=20 friends=20 > > skip to the front of the line for any ride. < >=20 > What the heck!? I thought at first this was from ARN&R. This is=20 *real?* >=20 > > Great America spokesman James Taylor says the roaches are=20 considered=20 > > safe to eat but everyone will be required to sign a waiver=20 before=20 > > tossing one back. < >=20 > Are they going to be live or dead? Or gummy? Can you imagine=20 someone > trying to swallow a live hissing roach? This is just too bizarre. its bad enough that Universal put in that Fear Factor thing. now=20 this. but whatever-if someone wants to eat a roach, more power to=20 em.=20 From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 08:42:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12889 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 15:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 15:37:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 15:37:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:37:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=CUsDWFyrUWmtw0IrnY4pFxGNnorxvqqIL_LrYnKW68wYSJG46Qfr X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > Are they going to be live or dead? Or gummy? Can you imagine=20 > someone trying to swallow a live hissing roach? This is just too=20 > bizarre. I actually knew a girl in college who would find cockroaches, roast=20 them, and eat them. At least they weren't live, nor were they the=20 giant, hissing kind. > Actually, no...I have something more bizarre. There's a traveling > exhibit landing in various museums across the country. It's human > bodies that have been "plasticized" after death and posed in=20 > various "natural" activities, like playing tennis or kicking a=20 > soccer ball. All well and good -- but the bodies have no skin.=20=20 > It's just muscle, fat and bones. [raises hand again] I saw this show when it came to L.A. a couple years ago. Actually=20 the fat all gets drained off or something in the plastination=20 process. It was all presented as a big anatomy exhibition, and I=20 have to say that I learned more about human anatomy there than I=20 ever had known before. I think it was actually pretty tastefully=20 done, with just a few reservations. One thing that became really=20 obvious was that you could tell at a glance whether the person had=20 been a smoker or not; the smokers' lungs here invariably stained a=20 nasty charcoal gray. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From lance@screamscape.com Fri Sep 22 10:18:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30634 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 17:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 17:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 17:14:09 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8MHDpYh028793 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01c6de6a$7f309db0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: "Roller Coaster Talk" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:14:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Halloween Horror Nights fans X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=xiz_92a95cdpBDdw4w24jPbIfR5GrFJ8bH6GhHrfz9kcAnJgFBvwTER4CA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance If anyone is a big fan of Universal's Halloween Horror Nights, I had an interview with their head designer earlier today and just posted an article about it on Screamscape.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 12:18:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99659 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 19:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 19:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 19:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:14:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:14:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:14:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: West Mifflin council still at odds over amusement tax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Nk2ercp5KhYfnV1LJLtIpKDNNfxMKt95zHrHLHJhNZpMAhA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 09/20/2006 Daily News http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm? newsid=3D17221318&BRD=3D1282&PAG=3D461&dept_id=3D182121&rfi=3D6 By DAVID WHIPKEY West Mifflin, PA -- Issues regarding the potential loss of amusement=20 tax from Kennywood Park and repairs to Bettis Road continue to spark=20 debate among West Mifflin councilors. Council President William Welsh Jr. adjourned Tuesday's meeting early=20 after a heated discussion between himself and Councilman Richard=20 Olasz Sr. Earlier in the meeting, Welsh told the audience Olasz is not=20 supporting the taxpayers. "He is clearly for Kennywood Park," Welsh=20 said of Olasz. "There is no debate here, either you are for=20 Kennywood, or you're for council and the borough." -------- =A9The Daily News 2006 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 12:32:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34414 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 19:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 19:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 19:23:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:23:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:23:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Celebrating its 10th AnniverSCARY! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=1mHuUef-3tYHH8Rydr4dQjfzHCaYE-lTpbS0CLEHUyA7wr0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 22, 2006 Port Clinton News Herald http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20060922/NEWS01/609220310 SANDUSKY, OH -- It's an event a decade in the making. Cedar Point=20 amusement park/resort is ready to celebrate 10 years of frightful fun=20 as the historic amusement park/resort prepares for its annual=20 HalloWeekends event. HalloWeekends will be held on Friday nights,=20 Saturdays and Sundays, starting this weekend through Oct. 27-29. During HalloWeekends, CP transforms into a spooky playland that=20 features roaming Screamsters, spooktacular live entertainment,=20 haunted houses, special areas for kids and of course, the world's=20 largest collection of scream-inducing roller coasters on the planet!=20 CP's HalloWeekends event was recently named the "Best Seasonal Event"=20 in the Readers' Choice Awards, presented by Theme Parks Magazine, a=20 national magazine that is dedicated to helping its readers discover=20 America's theme parks. New this fall at HalloWeekends will be Fear Faire, CP's new haunted=20 walk-through attraction. Located just off the Main Midway, Fear Faire=20 will take guests back to a time when horror was commonplace and evil=20 was never far away! Guests will enter through one of 2 castle portals=20 and find themselves in the middle of a renaissance festival filled=20 with various street vendors. As they travel through Fear Faire,=20 guests will encounter a giant catapult, creepy cages and creatures=20 that lurk in the shadows, just waiting to scare unsuspecting prey. "Based on the popularity of our 3 other outdoor walk-through=20 attractions, I think our guests are really going to enjoy Fear=20 Faire," said John Taylor, manager of graphic services and the=20 mastermind behind CP's HalloWeekends decorating. During=20 HalloWeekends, CP will be open Friday nights from 6pm-12am; Saturdays=20 12pm-12am; and Sundays 10am-8pm. (On Sunday, Oct. 8, CP will remain=20 open until 10pm.) On Friday nights, some rides and attractions will=20 not be open. With the exception of Sunday, Oct. 8, the fright zones=20 will not be open on Sundays. -------- =A92006 News Herald From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 12:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42891 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 19:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 19:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.163) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 19:32:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:32:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:32:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:32:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:32:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: No listing for historic park ride X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=xszMlAPUL6O4xWfqW0uTBAKJ1lCpLUlYnZe32cYa7fQbCvM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 2006/09/22 BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/5369702.stm Southport, Merseyside UK -- The wooden rollercoaster that was a=20 landmark of a former Merseyside theme park will not be given listed=20 building status, English Heritage has said. The Cyclone, a feature at Pleasureland Amusement Park in Southport,=20 is under threat of demolition after the park closed earlier this=20 month. Owners Blackpool Pleasure Beach said it was "unsustainable" as a ride=20 park. Supporters of the ride asked English Heritage to have the ride=20 protected but the application was refused. A statement from the organisation said: "The Cyclone is not the=20 oldest rollercoaster of its type and is not part of a wider group of=20 historically significant entertainment buildings - an important=20 factor when assessing whether a building or structure is listable. "We are saddened that buildings and structures don't have stronger=20 protection while they are being considered for listing, but we hope=20 this will be reviewed in forthcoming changes to the heritage=20 protection system." The amusement park first opened with a figure-of-eight rollercoaster=20 and a slide back in 1913. More than =A32m was spent on renovations in 2004, but the park was=20 forced to close due to falling visitor numbers. --------- =A9 BBC MMVI From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 12:45:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58700 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 19:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 19:40:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 19:40:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:40:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2006 19:40:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:40:09 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: You Oughta Be in (Coaster) Pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=6A-xvAj9ZCz3dNBRJBWHEEP8OqKazRB34MCr4aruYD-6SOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 11, 2006 About.com http://themeparks.about.com/b/a/257251.htm From Arthur Levine Minneapolis, MN -- By now, the photo concession booth, which allows=20 passengers on coasters and other attractions to purchase still=20 pictures of themselves braving the rides, is nearly ubiquitous. While they're a great memento, wouldn't it be cool to have an actual=20 video of your ride on the rails to replay at home and show to family=20 and friends? Thanks to a company called CDRide, it's now possible at some parks.=20 The Top Gun coasters at the Paramount parks, Canada's Wonderland near=20 Toronto, Carowinds in NC, and Great America in CA, as well as=20 coasters at Morey's Pier and Playland Castaway Cove in NJ,=20 Adventuredome in Las Vegas, and Pacific Park in CA, have all been=20 outfitted with video capture systems. Riders in every seat have the option of purchasing a DVD that=20 includes about 3 minutes of their reaction to the ride intercut with=20 point-of-view footage as well as a video of other rides in the park.=20 It's a clever use of miniature cameras and technology. Prices vary at=20 parks; at Paramount's Great America, a CDRide DVD costs $15. -------- =A92006 About, Inc., A part of The New York Times Company From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 22 13:07:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11717 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.249) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 20:06:17 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx1.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k8MK4jV0000894 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:04:45 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:04:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:04:29 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2006 20:04:45.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[5989B6B0:01C6DE82] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.164 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.249 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: You Oughta Be in (Coaster) Pictures X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=wZgDIQxjOu-MNbURtI3Pq2UkXczUHukkKrvBaJXdAnEXtsgu X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > While they're a great memento, wouldn't it be cool to have an actual > video of your ride on the rails to replay at home and show to family > and friends? Ummm .. no! Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From cameron@buzzneon.com Fri Sep 22 13:19:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37355 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 20:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 20:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.midwaygames.com) (69.221.195.250) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 20:08:46 -0000 Received: from chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com (chicago-mail1.chicago.midway.com [10.6.19.151]) by mx2.midwaygames.com (8.13.0/8.12.11/Midway+spw (MIMEDefang)) with ESMTP id k8MK8Y9D026712 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:08:34 -0500 Received: from [10.6.41.24] ([10.6.41.24]) by chicago-ex1.chicago.midway.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:08:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:08:18 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2006 20:08:34.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1E19550:01C6DE82] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.6.19.165 X-Originating-IP: 69.221.195.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=nBGYn6P7_A59X8yQeRHFRjyMnoCUI3ub8QVSGQMrm51ALQn8 X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > Are they going to be live or dead? Or gummy? Can you imagine someone > trying to swallow a live hissing roach? This is just too bizarre. Live: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/21/eat.roach.ap/index.html Personally I don't see what the big deal is. It's certainly far better than than the stupid karaoke booths, or the floating heads videos. What I can't figure out is how this goes with Shapiro's inane family image.. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** You think it's OK to eat dog * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** dirt if you only eat a little?! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Sep 22 14:16:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82412 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 20:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 20:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.187) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 20:54:55 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so1232350nfb for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.94.20 with SMTP id w20mr2520033nfl; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.34.5 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30609221348j597647d3x3cd0a48468fb8c62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:48:33 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.187 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=apwSnCuk9IUi6mB2ctcT2U3s7m9JO84BMHPtdw4UbzdQ1NO9 X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons On 9/22/06, Cameron Silver wrote: > Live: > http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/21/eat.roach.ap/index.html > > Personally I don't see what the big deal is. It's certainly far > better than than the stupid karaoke booths, or the floating heads > videos. Agreed... plus it's probably the healthiest thing to eat in the park... > > What I can't figure out is how this goes with Shapiro's inane family > image.. It doesn't, but it does play into fright fest, I guess. I won't do it, but I could, as long as there isn't a scharacter waiting to jump out at me while I ate it. From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Sep 22 16:39:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42195 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2006 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2006 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2006 23:34:51 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8MKSSPI012214 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004501c6de85$af323e40$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:28:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Six Flags Offers Line-Skipping Pass To Roach-eaters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=B61UD_zaowOCJHLQZKlTvvSnbPGiSAsjpCzEHaRugQ9ITFgdjcHs X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Are they going to be live or dead? Or gummy? Can you imagine someone > trying to swallow a live hissing roach? This is just too bizarre. Live: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/21/eat.roach.ap/index.html Personally I don't see what the big deal is. It's certainly far better than than the stupid karaoke booths, or the floating heads videos. What I can't figure out is how this goes with Shapiro's inane family image.. In his own lame brain mind, if Universal can do the fear factor thing, SFI can do their own spoof on it. Universal = family park so I guess it's the family right thing to do. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Sep 22 19:11:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79952 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2006 02:08:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:08:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.9.34 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Lateral forces on Maverick X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=yxgIjNNC30Qd0NKOwJrSJJLYG_AwApWiiOkiUv5xrovV0YYfRaiz X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Speaking of, you know I made a trip down to SFDL and anxiously rode > the Superman, and I wasn't impressed with it much at all. < I rode it the year it opened. I was impressed with the first drop into the fog over the lake. And I loved the three bunny hops back to the station. But the giant helix didn't do anything for me, and the long stretch of flat track over the lake is odd. That was Intamin's first Superman so I'll cut them some slack. They struck gold with their second version at SFNE. That's a much better design, with superb pacing and non-stop airtime. The third seat is the place to be on that one (first seat of the second car). But the front has great visuals. Go ride that one and you'll find out what all the fuss is about. (And make sure you don't staple yourself in with the lapbar!) Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 12:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21626 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2006 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2006 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2006 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2006 19:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2006 19:23:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:23:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.203.84 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=7A9ixQ8yaEzFaLPueW30hkR1TEpHv09k9rvTCXoexCcnMLCgQXlz X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Does anyone even play this game? There was so much discussion over=20 RCT2 on this list, but almost nothing about RCT3. It's only $20 now=20 and we were considering getting it. Is it even worth it? opinions? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 12:29:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75865 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2006 19:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2006 19:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2006 19:25:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2006 19:22:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2006 19:22:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:22:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.203.84 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Best time to visit WDW in the spring? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=1JDFP-11YMFwfe5dHfG9Bzj0zQJ4e1LDlURQo0G3CfzFJhpNMyrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Hey all... Back from our big trip, we loved our cruise so much we're=20 planning another one already. We're thinking about doing a Disney=20 Cruise/multi park visit in the spring before William starts=20 kindergarden next year. But we don't want to do it over spring break=20 or any time the crowds are heavy. Can anyone tell me when the best post- spring break, pre- summer=20 vacation times are to visit Disney? I know February is great, but we=20 want it to be warm enough so we can maybe do some water parks too.=20=20 Thanks, AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 23 20:02:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23108 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 02:57:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 02:57:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 02:57:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:57:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.243.5 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: TR: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=JbV3tp8kD7Q5zAaqLvk246FIC2VWxm-yqGNFAaELfiTwh9xk1sb9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Friday, Karen, I and the girls headed over to the neighboring town of West Springfield MA for our annual trip to the Eastern States Exposition, one of the largest fairs on the east coast. It began as many local fairs did, an agricultural display. Many of the smaller area fairs still maintain that heritage. The Big E has evolved into something more resembling a gigantic flea market. Rather than historical, agricultural and cultural displays, it's wall-to-wall vendors hawking every item conceivable, from car squeegees to moccasins to maple candy. I still go primarily to absorb that enticing smell of roasting peppers and onions and to check out Conklin's huge midway. Karen loves checking out the State buildings (one for each of the six New England states) and the "Better Living Center," which is basically like a live Home Shopping Network. This year the girls wanted to see the Royal Hanneford Circus, a perennial Big E attraction. The circus was featuring a quick-change act that was seen on TV, David and Dania. We parked in the nearby town of Agawam. An abandoned strip mall was offering parking for $4, which certainly beat the fair's price of $10. It was a five minute walk to the gate. Admission to the Big E went up this year to $15 for an all-day pass (not including rides).=20 We decided to go after 5 pm, when it was supposed to be $5.=20 Unfortunately, that price wasn't good on Fridays. So we each paid $12, which really wasn't much of a discount. We looked for the circus tent in its usual spot near Gate 1, but it had been moved. So instead we wandered through a couple of the State buildings. Normally, we walked shoulder to shoulder through those aisles; it was usually a mob scene. But this time there was plenty of breathing room. The crowds seemed much lighter than usual. That struck me as odd for a Friday night with beautifully clear weather. The girls wanted to be sure we caught the circus act; there was only one performance left at 7 pm. So we went in search of the tent. It was located at the other end of the extensive fairgrounds. On the way we passed by the Big E's specially commissioned giant Stinson Band Organ. It was silent. As we arrived at the big top, there was an identical Stinson organ there, this one labeled "Larry's," playing merrily. There were several attendants at the entrance efficiently guiding people to either end of the tent. Admission, happily, was free. We sat high up near the tent's nine-o'clock position. To our left (at the "back" of the tent) was a big screen projection continuously running television advertisements. A couple of barkers roamed through the packed audience chanting, "Get yer popcorn!" and "Snoooooow cooooones!" (which was almost sung out like a doorbell). Within a few minutes the screen disappeared and spotlights traced colors around the canvas ceiling. We were welcomed to "the Big E circus." The man's voice was exactly how you'd expect a circus M.C. to sound. He had that wonderfully artificial cadence: "Ladies-ah and-ah gentle-ah-men, children of-ah all-ah ages!" The M.C., a middle-aged tuxedoed man, emerged from a curtain where the screen was. Our girls instantly recognized him as David, one of the quick change artists. The first act he announced was a pair of acrobats from Romania. They expertly performed various high-wire routines. The man would hold on to a strap twenty feet in the air by his teeth while the woman hung upside-down with only their feet locked together and spun around.=20 They were enthusiastically received. The next act was really peculiar. The M.C. set it up to be a really dangerous animal act. Stagehands brought out various small round platforms that I'd expect to see lions stand on. Then a woman emerged with a whip and cracked it. Out came four...things. We didn't quite know what to make of them. They were dogs wearing bizarre full-head masks that looked a bit like Mickey Mouse, but had large manes of shaggy orange foam strips. Each dog also had strapped to its butt a long wiry lion's tail. There was also a big black labrador that had prosthetic attachments to make it look like a panther. The woman put the dogs through their paces as if they were vicious lions, cracking her whip and making them perform routine tricks. The grand finale was when she inserted her head into the "panther's" mouth. The M.C. returned to the center ring as the stagehands prepped for the next act. As he spoke, a clown with a grey wig, large glasses and a baggy yellow shirt stepped to the inside edge of the ring, walking obliviously with a bag of popcorn, attempting to catch pieces in her mouth but continually missing. The M.C. referred to the clown as Grandma, and attempted unsuccessfully to get her out of the ring.=20 Finally the M.C. left in mock exasperation. The stagehands had put a treadmill in the ring and Grandma did various comic bits around that exercise device. She concluded her bit by lip-synching to various pop and hip-hop songs. It was a big hit with the audience. Next was the moment the girls waited for. A woman introduced David and Dania. As various genres of dance music played, David would walk over to Dania, hold a shimmering screen in front of her for a second or two, remove the screen and then show her to be standing there in a completely different costume. They did this repeatedly and rapidly, defying all common sense and logic. There seemed to be no physical way for her to change that quickly (especially since there was audience on all sides). His tux changed as well, from black to white. They interspersed their routine with some stock magic tricks (like pulling a bouquet of flowers from a handkerchief). One neat trick was when she held a top hat and he dipped his gloved hand in and pulled it out -- wearing a strikingly different colored glove. He did that over and over with each hand, going through about six different colors.=20 The finale was pretty spectacular, David took a bag of shredded silver mylar and dumped it over Dania's head -- and her costume changed yet again. That act was worth the Big E's admission price. The now-white M.C. introduced the next act as a famous foreign clown. A little man in the requisite bright baggy clothes and painted face emerged with three small stuffed elephants. He produced a giant fake wind-up key and one by one attempted to wind up each elephant. They would simply fall over. One of the elephants finally did start to move after he gave it a shove. It would waddle slowly and robotically and then keel over. This went on for a long long time, and it wasn't very funny. The children in the audience were giggling, though.=20 Finally he got one of the elephants to waddle halfway around the ring. He grabbed it in his arms and with one movement tugged at its skin and pulled it off, revealing it to be a fluffy little white dog in a full-body costume. So the other elephants really were stuffed toys, but it was impossible to tell them apart. The final act was actually a bit sad. It was the obligatory elephant act. Three giant pachyderms lumbered into the ring and the trainer made them perform the usual assortment of tricks: standing on their hind legs, twirling around, kneeling. I can understand how all of this would have been amazing to an audience in the 1800s who had only heard tales of the giant animals but had never seen one. In this day and age when TV channels feature all sorts of wildlife specials, the creatures certainly don't leave the impression they once did. Plus, right next to the circus was a concession giving rides on an elephant. The animals in the ring looked so weary. Instead of inspiring awe, their predicament seemed almost cruel. Then David called all the acts back out for a final bow. Stagehands placed a long box at the center of the ring and hooked a cable to it. David thanked us all for coming, and wanted to give a special thanks to this great country of ours. Out of the box rose a giant American flag. Two of those air-powered floppy fabric tubes shot up on either side, with stars and stripes on them. It was a bit excessive and seemed to pander to a sort of mock patriotism. But the audience dutifully rose to its feet as the National Anthem blared. We left the circus and headed back for the State buildings. On the way Liz got a hand-rolled giant pretzel (and it really was huge!) and I got a waffle cone. We sped through from building to building, rarely stopping because there really wasn't all that much to see. How many lighthouse paintings do we really need to look at? After exiting the Rhode Island building, we could see the bright lights of the midway. This was one of the few times we had been to the Big E after dark. We walked toward the colorful displays.=20 Conklin Shows for many years has brought their Pinfari Looping Star roller coaster to the Big E. It wasn't much of a ride, more like a Galaxi with a small loop. This year they brought a brand new coaster, a stock Zamperla spinning wild mouse. It seemed to be popular with the guests. But we had already ridden an identical one at Mt. Olympus. So we passed on that. Instead we just casually strolled between the dazzling rides. Their Afterburner was especially spectacular. We watched the Ring of Fire, a sort of poor man's looping coaster, spin around for a while. Naturally, there was a large assortment of dark rides and walk-thru fun houses.=20 Unfortunately, most of them I tried in the past had been really lame. There were two colorful mirror mazes. Their big portable flume ride had a good crowd. And there were two giant Ferris wheels.=20 Conspicuous by its absence was the Moser Drop Tower that had been at the fair for several years. Leaving the midway, we passed by the big Mallory building with its giant butter sculpture and dairy displays. We walked through the 4-H building, which had various garden landscape displays. Then we passed through the International Building, which contained vendors that loosely qualified as "international," such as Irish or Egyptian themed gifts. It was about 9:30 by that point. The State buildings had closed up for the night, as had many other displays. Karen said she had enough, so we walked toward the exit. If it weren't for the circus, I would have felt that our $12 was wasted. The bulk of the musical acts this year were country and western, and several of them for the first time entailed an extra charge ($35!). The night we were there the act happened to be free, but we're not into country and western. As always, I enjoy a carnival atmosphere. But the Big E seems to offer less and less of that as the years go on. It more and more resembles a shopping mall. There are plenty of those near us, and they don't charge for admission or parking. The circus was a surprising treat. But I'm not sure it would pull us back next year.=20 Neither would a butter sculpture -- not for $15 plus parking. There are plenty of other rural agricultural fairs in this area every year and they're a lot cheaper. The Big E probably continues on because it's simply the biggest around. But it seems to be losing its personality, becoming more and more generic and less about what makes New England special. It's no longer a celebration of our heritage, it's an orgy of commercialism. But maybe that's what the public wants now. Maybe my waxing nostalgic for a bygone era is pointlessly naive. But at least there''s always that smell of peppers and onions... Jay From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 23 20:03:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27958 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 03:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 03:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 03:02:27 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8O32MW1001288 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <057a01c6df85$e1a21ca0$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:02:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=jejerWJBny1zP3prVuPIieQkIOHNmYa2GUgCprV3Y3Aaaicb38XRWiJcoA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've got a copy still unopened from when it was brand new that I got for a present. I just haven't had the free time to even think about playing it considering how much of a time suck the first two were... ----- Original Message ----- From: "tommytheduck" To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:23 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 Does anyone even play this game? There was so much discussion over RCT2 on this list, but almost nothing about RCT3. It's only $20 now and we were considering getting it. Is it even worth it? opinions? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From lance@screamscape.com Sat Sep 23 20:10:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20044 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 03:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 03:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 03:03:27 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8O33Phw001671 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <058101c6df86$07090080$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:03:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.100 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best time to visit WDW in the spring? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=b6cSJ0xr2IdJFdu821NI2pG2PTc3vdLgCJ-k-5p12p844DT1wOpFDcN7qA X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance I've always been happy visiting just after Memorial Day weekend is over through to the first week of June. The big crowds are not there yet, but the parks are typically open for their summer hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tommytheduck" To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: [RollerCoasterTalk] Best time to visit WDW in the spring? Hey all... Back from our big trip, we loved our cruise so much we're planning another one already. We're thinking about doing a Disney Cruise/multi park visit in the spring before William starts kindergarden next year. But we don't want to do it over spring break or any time the crowds are heavy. Can anyone tell me when the best post- spring break, pre- summer vacation times are to visit Disney? I know February is great, but we want it to be warm enough so we can maybe do some water parks too. Thanks, AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 05:40:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7621 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 12:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 12:40:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 12:40:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 12:40:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 12:40:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:40:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.248.41 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=FLJi8-x-qp2S6E88urXJm4GTEz2VVc33mBNYT0RpuZY5eW3ycbvS X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I just discovered that Conklin Shows is no more. Does anyone (maybe Adam Sandy?) know who's running the midway at the Big E now? Jay From adamf.sandy@gmail.com Sun Sep 24 05:48:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamf.sandy@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80259 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 12:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 12:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.231) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 12:47:30 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1851978wxc for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 05:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.90.17 with SMTP id n17mr4594053wxb; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 05:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from VALUED3253602F ( [68.33.108.17]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h12sm1711895wxd.2006.09.24.05.47.28; Sun, 24 Sep 2006 05:47:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:47:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acbf1qRaVCrIJMVjQwqhLJwWcDEXWAAAIexg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45167e61.221ea5e7.1538.1ca6@mx.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Adam F. Sandy" Subject: Re: TR: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=256330587; y=O79VD1dBJp6B753qAGLL53SYvCD8hvq8w34lHqRpsYeazqA X-Yahoo-Profile: afrsandy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I just discovered that Conklin Shows is no more. Does anyone (maybe Adam Sandy?) know who's running the midway at the Big E now?" I just might. It is run by NAME, a corporate group that bought the equipment and routes from Farrow, Conklin, All Star, Astro, Mid-America and Theabault. Think of it as the first attempt at consolidation in the carnival industry. I haven't heard how they are doing economically. http://www.northamericanmidway.com/about.aspx Adam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 14:17:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76078 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 21:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 21:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 21:15:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 21:15:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:15:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45167e61.221ea5e7.1538.1ca6@mx.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.251.162 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=wbhyhg4wyat5HOajhQHCmhW5I_psM2huXKbQFPlYD5c7Ay4c4HuT X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > It is run by NAME < Thanks, Adam. I knew you'd know. Do you think there's going to be any adverse fallout from the takeover? It seems like the individual companies were faltering. Certainly Conklin was. So this helps keep all those companies afloat under one banner. It seems sort of like Six Flags' situation. Since NAME is so huge, they have much more buying clout. But it also seems like a great chance for cross-pollination of rides; rather than buying rides in bulk like Six Flags they can rotate their yearly fair lineups, bringing in attractions that may never have been on a particular circuit before. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 14:52:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70563 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 21:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 21:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.188) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 21:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 21:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 21:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 21:33:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:33:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.188 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.251.162 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=CyLrd9WrlU4eV-Nex00H0OY3yYUHXkbfrWl8TnfvJiGJLbMlKEmB X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Does anyone even play this game? < No. I have a copy of it that, like Lance, I never opened. The PC overhead for the game seemed a bit excessive at the time. (It's probably quite reasonable now.) But during that period I had switched over to the Mac platform. I can still play the original RCT trilogy (via an emulator). If I had one of the new Intel Macs it wouldn't be a problem to play RCT3. But I guess part of it is that I really like the original interface. I really didn't need POV shots from the midway and on the rides. The graphics weren't the draw for me, the gameplay was. I'm really spoiled by No Limits, so RCT3 just wouldn't cut it in the simulation department. And I really don't see the benefit of that gimmick anyway. I found the improvements in RCT2 to be more intelligent -- the separate coaster editor, having the guests actually enjoy the scenery, etc. I wonder how the sales of RCT3 were. I couldn't find any hard data on it. Jay From cameron@buzzneon.com Sun Sep 24 15:19:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: cameron@buzzneon.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77911 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 22:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7514 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 22:13:16 -0000 Received: from dsl017-072-083.chi4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([69.17.72.83]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 24 Sep 2006 22:13:15 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <906B7FE6-4634-47AA-BE28-871A3E7113B2@buzzneon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:12:56 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 69.17.117.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Cameron Silver Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=54528050; y=rsts0HwZhZr_P3zLuds61QGLjxQqFBGoJ9npTosf2HhW3HNL X-Yahoo-Profile: buzz_neon > But I guess part of it is that I really like the original > interface. I really didn't need POV shots from the midway and on > the rides. The graphics weren't the draw for me, the gameplay was. The irony is of course, that the original games (1 & 2) had much better looking graphics anyway. I pretty much agree with you, the third version just wasn't the same .. lost a lot of realism, and seemed so much more like a kids game. Cameron. -- Cameron Silver: ** It's a * ,_~o cameron@buzzneon.com ** COOK-BOOK!! * / //\ **************************************************************** \>> | I'd rather be Skiing. * \, From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 24 16:59:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64386 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2006 23:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2006 23:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2006 23:55:03 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 23:54:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 23:54:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2006 23:54:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:54:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=weamsP5W7sC5TLaifgXUZl4r4u8mb9G_Xghmc76QXhf3JMTEB1yBAsP8hQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > > Does anyone even play this game? There was so much discussion over=20 > RCT2 on this list, but almost nothing about RCT3. It's only $20 now=20 > and we were considering getting it. Is it even worth it? opinions? >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. > i got it when it came out, and like others have said, at the time my=20 computer couldnt handle it. then when we got a new one, i tried it=20 out.=20 i played it for a while but honestly i didnt really care for it that=20 much(and i freakin LOVED the first two). i didnt really like the look,=20 the controls were annoying, it was complicated, etc. i liked some of=20 the new rides and the night scenes looked great(something i always=20 wondered why was excluded from 1 & 2), but it just wasnt that fun. i wonder if there will be a 4th one, and what it will look like. it=20 definitely seems as though RCT3 didnt do as well as the others did.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 24 17:00:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28377 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 00:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 00:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 00:00:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 00:00:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 00:00:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:00:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=xDQlnhp6ylQIiVXMDcKuZuS2u47EbfoUt58AdUX7QKpplX1yuG1mAhtaVw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: >I really didn't need POV shots from the > midway and on the rides. The graphics weren't the draw for me, the > gameplay was.=20 i think that says it all right there. you had much more opportunity=20 for different scenarios and individual customizations in 2. RCT3 is=20 extremely limiting, and you can tell they were more interested in=20 graphics than in gameplay.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 24 17:15:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38641 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 00:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 00:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 00:15:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 00:14:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 00:14:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:14:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: life imitating art imitating life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=a-VxHVbFvNV93tjYLLbzIpo4rF0Ne0zdvAHmpnyJDtbgdgv1WN_s6aC4Rw X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 i duno if anyone saw the preview tonight during the Simpsons, but=20 there is a show on Fox called Justice and look what the topic for the=20 next episode is going to be; http://www.fox.com/video/index.htm? cat_id=3Djustice&clip_id=3Drebecca_kerr_notag i would have posted the preview but i cant find it on the site. anyone=20 gonna watch? from the commercial it looks pretty awful show(if youve=20 seen it, you can tell the creators didnt really do their homework),=20 but i still might watch given the subject.=20 From dougjnelson@gmail.com Sun Sep 24 17:36:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12851 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 00:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 00:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.210) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 00:36:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 00:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 00:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 00:35:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:35:50 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: life imitating art imitating life pt II X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=7Lj1OoLHnSmRhnlbwp8z4z5Gwgo2gt6deO28d6UNx8KsP8_sxjIFbHz51A X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 heh, speaking of which, did anyone see the Simpsons episode? homer=20 becomes a carpenter and is hired to fix a huge SBNO delapidated old=20 wooden coaster called the Zoominator, and of course screws it up and=20 the thing collapses.=20 hmmm..rickety old wooden coasters that arent being maintained? and the=20 show takes place in a town called Springfield? of course, the episode=20 must take place at SFNE! :) From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 19:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26539 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 02:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 02:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.149) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 02:02:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 02:01:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 02:01:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 02:01:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:01:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.214.159.163 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: life imitating art imitating life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=3JBL8-5dTXwDttf-n5rLHckjijyUNzKieSB8Nyx_hOQ4Vd4V1z6s X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson" wrote: > > i duno if anyone saw the preview tonight during the Simpsons, but=20 > there is a show on Fox called Justice and look what the topic for the=20 > next episode is going to be; Yeah, I saw that... I'm 95% certain the ride was the Scandia Screamer at Scandia Amusement Park in Ontario, CA. It's a good little ride, a shame to see it slammed on a show like that. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 20:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5236 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 03:41:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 03:41:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 03:41:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:41:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Jl1ExnKpEwiHw_BztN9STzR5xGSzVfV1k0MNyX8vW0xqN6Dbcw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Nelson"=20 wrote: > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 > wrote: >=20 > >I really didn't need POV shots from the > > midway and on the rides. The graphics weren't the draw for me, the > > gameplay was.=20 >=20 > i think that says it all right there. you had much more opportunity=20 > for different scenarios and individual customizations in 2. RCT3 is=20 > extremely limiting, and you can tell they were more interested in=20 > graphics than in gameplay. > I actually bought a new computer so I could play RCT3. (OK, my old one=20 was 6 years old and one foot in the grave.) I played it a bit, and I=20 even bought the first expansion, but I actually went BACK to playing=20 RCT2! It just isn't as fun as the first two. So, if you have those, I=20 don't know if you need 3.=20 Chris B From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 20:49:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78353 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 03:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 03:48:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 03:47:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 03:47:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:47:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: RollercoasterTalk Website X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=0P3SX9K1gU9K53KXbQHJAJyeL0NPJLwWtc0HKCDGNKLuZjLoeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 Hey, I was bored last night and was reading some of the profiles over=20 at the geocities site. Woo! Times have changed! If you've been around=20 here a while, you should read what some of you said back then! Good=20 stuff!=20 Chris B (I put one together and submitted it, but it seems to have been lost=20 in the ether.) From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Sep 24 20:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49759 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 03:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 03:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 03:53:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 03:53:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 03:53:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:53:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: TR: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=sNOP5TzMHMuhkho_JgZQ942svUy-IeHuUcagBxbDG6Vhr--Waw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > Friday, Karen, I and the girls headed over to the neighboring town of > West Springfield MA for our annual trip to the Eastern States > Exposition, one of the largest fairs on the east coast.=20=20 >=20 > Jay Jay, I think this is the 3rd or 4th Big E TR I've read from you. I can=20 really tell that this fair has changed in that time. You didn't seem=20 to have as wonderful a time this year, and that's a trend that's been=20 building over the years. It's sad, but I think that it's true of all=20 the fairs around the country, they just aren't what they used to be.=20 Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Mon Sep 25 05:56:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60246 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 12:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 12:55:02 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GRpzB-0006zS-8d for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:55:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4517D1A9.4080206@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:55:05 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786a166ed818d7c7476ad8448cd2439873838e5ce778848056350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=WjERJWoGb4fSfHGipZmCUeBUMBCIVeCkknezehkKd0HjqFc X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash tommytheduck wrote: > > > Does anyone even play this game? There was so much discussion over > RCT2 on this list, but almost nothing about RCT3. It's only $20 now > and we were considering getting it. Is it even worth it? opinions? I'm a bit of a different take on the game than several of the others. I really liked RCT3, with my biggest problem being that I just don't have a lot of time for games in general so I don't get to play it much. But when I do have time, it's one of the first ones that I go for. The control interface is a little more clunky than the first couple, but it's not that big of a difference. It's not one that caused me any real problems once I got used to it's nuances. And if you're interested in building a park that's more "realistic", then RCT3 certainly seems to fit that bill much better than the others with some of the things that it offers (fireworks, a couple of the shows, night time, etc.) Really, overall I haven't found much different in the gameplay from this one to the others, so when I hear that, I end up a bit confused. For me at least the gameplay is so similar as to be virtually identical, with the main differences being the graphics and how the controls work. Once I got over the controls and learned to deal with the couple irritating parts, I didn't have any problem with them anymore. And frankly I love being able to "walk" around the park and take a virtual ride on my rides and coasters. It's not unusual for me to just spend a hour doing that instead of working on the park itself. The expressions on the peeps sometimes is hysterical. It's fun enough that we've bought 2 of the expansions, and my kids love to play it to. While they liked the first 2 games, 3 is easily their favorite of the series. But then I've always been a bit different, but you knew that already. :P keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 06:18:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27626 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 13:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 13:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.181) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 13:18:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2265 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2006 13:15:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20060925131514.2263.qmail@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [15.227.249.72] by web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:15:14 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:15:14 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4517D1A9.4080206@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=xNN2qkQr1Hjm6RrivhB5f0-_09XWeACXEQ4c_BCwKUSDaLlgOCHgOaij X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz Tommy, Playing coaster/park sim games is the way I find to meditate and forget about life. I have NoLimitsCoaster, NoLimitsFairground, UltraCoaster, RCT1, RCT2 and, last but not least, RCT3 and all its 2 expansion packs. Funny to read your e-mail. Yesterday, a rainny sunday here in Rio de Janeiro, I spent the entire day on that game. IMHO, RCT3 rules! I really enjoy the game quite a whole lot and for sure I recommend it. The but's go to the overall easy scenarios and what I consider a missing feature: on-line game cooperation or competition. However, for you to enjoy full game capabilities and play large heavy themed parks, very fast hardware resources are required. I play RCT both on my home's desktop (1GB RAM, NVidia GE FORCE4 128MB, Intel P4, XP-SP2) and on my notebook (512GB RAM, Intel Graphics Acelerator 128MB, Intel PentiumM, XP-SP2). Yesterday I spent about 4 hours designing a duel inverted coaster with 6 inversions each. And anothe hour riding them in everyway possible. Still think I have a blast from that game. My advice: get the game and the expansion packs and have fun. Best regards, Gus. --- george burnash wrote: > tommytheduck wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone even play this game? There was so much > discussion over > > RCT2 on this list, but almost nothing about RCT3. > It's only $20 now > > and we were considering getting it. Is it even > worth it? opinions? > > I'm a bit of a different take on the game than > several of the others. I > really liked RCT3, with my biggest problem being > that I just don't have > a lot of time for games in general so I don't get > to play it much. > But when I do have time, it's one of the first ones > that I go for. > > The control interface is a little more clunky than > the first couple, but > it's not that big of a difference. It's not one > that caused me any real > problems once I got used to it's nuances. And if > you're interested in > building a park that's more "realistic", then RCT3 > certainly seems to > fit that bill much better than the others with some > of the things that > it offers (fireworks, a couple of the shows, night > time, etc.) > > Really, overall I haven't found much different in > the gameplay from this > one to the others, so when I hear that, I end up a > bit confused. For me > at least the gameplay is so similar as to be > virtually identical, with > the main differences being the graphics and how the > controls work. Once > I got over the controls and learned to deal with the > couple irritating > parts, I didn't have any problem with them anymore. > > And frankly I love being able to "walk" around the > park and take a > virtual ride on my rides and coasters. It's not > unusual for me to just > spend a hour doing that instead of working on the > park itself. The > expressions on the peeps sometimes is hysterical. > > It's fun enough that we've bought 2 of the > expansions, and my kids love > to play it to. While they liked the first 2 games, > 3 is easily their > favorite of the series. > > But then I've always been a bit different, but you > knew that already. :P > > keep on ridin' > George > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God > life is one thrill > ride you'll never want to end. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dougjnelson@gmail.com Mon Sep 25 06:28:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: dougjnelson@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69024 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 13:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 13:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 13:26:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 13:26:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 13:26:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:26:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.186.73.159 From: "Doug Nelson" Subject: Re: life imitating art imitating life X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=261787472; y=YhbZZ3LgII5vDVeNDV3SjqKEwwS_jUzccBcEILa5wSufxs5UsKB1G6v-Og X-Yahoo-Profile: fluffythegod3000 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "adamnvillani"=20 wrote: > Yeah, I saw that... I'm 95% certain the ride was the Scandia Screamer > at Scandia Amusement Park in Ontario, CA. It's a good little ride, a > shame to see it slammed on a show like that. yes, apparently it cause giant bloody open head wounds lol.=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 07:13:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45570 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.111) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 14:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 14:05:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 14:05:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:05:06 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 134.241.135.70 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: TR: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YdxIoqRCh2Fab2Ol6AAZjES3X7_dLgpLSbxDgIBN4iI5so1reKsk X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I can really tell that this fair has changed in that time. < I often wonder if that's the case, or whether I'm just getting burned out on it. I can remember my delight going there when I was a kid.=20 There was still the Better Living Center, but the State buildings weren't mini Better Living Centers, with vendors packed wall to wall. Every building had a huge elaborate display at its center, showing off what their specialty was. In Massachusetts, there was a gigantic pond stocked with trout where you could actually practice fishing.=20 (The EPA would probably have issues with that these days.) I think Vermont had a giant ski slope at one point. The idea was to simply let the public experience what was so great about New England. That extended to the fairgrounds in general. I remember tractor displays where you were encouraged to climb up and sit at the controls. And of course there were non-stop livestock shows. Now the tractor displays are roped off. It seems like the livestock are corraled in a small section of the fair, almost placed out of sight. But I think the biggest change (which thankfully hasn't yet hit the small fairs in this area) is the rampant commercialism. I wonder what the admission charge is for, when the only thing to do (outside of the circus) is to spend more money. *That* seems to have become the national passtime in the U.S. -- blowing your paycheck. > They just aren't what they used to be. < Well, nothing is, really. But what's sad to me is that today's children will grow up remembering those big fairs fondly (because everything as you get older looks better when you were a child). So the bulk of the fond memories they'll have will be of products.=20 They'll know little about their heritage and about pride in their community. But they will have been well-trained for a life as a consumer.=20 Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 07:22:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30693 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 14:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 14:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.196) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 14:18:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 14:18:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 14:18:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 14:18:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:18:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060925131514.2263.qmail@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.196 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 134.241.135.70 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=sGrg7aXHyI-2LCs1L7D1woKkfrzMOeAv8yVNNdpRO-S8fR5X7-xX X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > and on my notebook (512GB RAM < Holey Moley, Gus! Would I love to have that notebook! :-) Jay From Briguy7568@aol.com Mon Sep 25 08:33:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32438 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 15:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 15:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 15:23:51 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.c5c.39dbed0 (58677) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:51:31 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=pVir5ut3SRS8Hni3dAPHRRVL3cOWLVRYN3KkS2t4NO9nu3s8xA X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I installed RCT 3 on my system, my computer crashed! I had to have my harddrive overhauled as a result. I think my graphics card couldn't handle it, and it took up all of my memory, which is what caused it to crash. I think you need to have probably a Pentium 4 with like 3 gigs of ram or something. I have played the game on a friends computer, and found it hard to navigate. You can't rotate the screens like on the first 2. It really was hard to do anything with. I'd like to see them just keep adding onto RCT 2 with more rides and themeing objects to put in your parks. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 08:51:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gustavo_queiroz@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28280 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 15:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 15:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.192) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 15:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 54066 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2006 15:49:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060925154957.54064.qmail@web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [15.227.249.72] by web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:49:57 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:49:57 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gustavo Queiroz Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63357662; y=2PP0mEq2lojAuMadYHAINA318IME9xfDF62ORCQvL8zrRX9QY8XWGC3F X-Yahoo-Profile: gustavo_queiroz LOL! OOOps, I did it again... 512MB Gus --- jay_ducharme wrote: > > and on my notebook (512GB RAM < > > Holey Moley, Gus! Would I love to have that > notebook! :-) > > Jay > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lance@screamscape.com Mon Sep 25 09:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lance@screamscape.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 778 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 16:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 16:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 16:02:55 -0000 Received: from SCREAMSCAPE001 (cpe-024-074-181-037.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.181.37]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8PG2ruK004341 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01df01c6e0bc$17898600$6500a8c0@SCREAMSCAPE001> To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:03:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 24.25.9.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Lance Hart" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=44384404; y=VgwU3H0xJSQUE3isgTpgR3i5ppSaalmbVcbeOLAekduBo8AiVHKa11GkKg X-Yahoo-Profile: screamscapelance As I said, I never got around to playing RCT 3 but making it 3D was something I really wanted to see from this version of the game and something I was disapointed that didn't happen with RCT2. Actually, I was kind of irritated with RCT2... it was pretty much RCT1 all over again with slightly improved graphics. It was the lame expansions for RCT2 that turned me off though... mostly scenery and small mods to existing rides and not like the huge expansions seen from RCT1. As for RCT3... I did try the demo but found it to run a little slow on my system, which I found odd since I had a Pentium 4 3gig processor. I've since expanded my ram from half a gig to 1.5 gigs of RAM so perhaps that would make a bigger difference. That and running the real software instead of the demo... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 12:01:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26394 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 18:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 18:58:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 18:58:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 18:58:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 18:58:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:58:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: RCT3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zc3zeqjr0JVFxDy5cODHZWrNPE7D1WwcjACiUFX_ie87O_g X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Brian, Here's my take on it: Plus' It looks great. You can create your own "family" of peeps. The parks=20 stay open into the night. On-ride POV! You can create buildings, and=20 save them. Minus' The interface took a little getting used to. I HATE some of the ground=20 digging tools. They don't really have have any of the old "Fix this=20 Park" scenarios - just build "new" parks. The building pieces take-up=20 an entire square. I don't play it as much as I did RCT1&2, but I do play it from time too=20 time. I play it enough to have gotten the Soaked! expansion pack. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > Does anyone even play this game? There was so much discussion over=20 > RCT2 on this list, but almost nothing about RCT3. It's only $20 now=20 > and we were considering getting it. Is it even worth it? opinions? >=20 > AFLAC!!! > -Brian F. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 12:29:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51822 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 19:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 19:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 19:29:41 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:29:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:29:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:29:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:29:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme Park on Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=uni6XRPTMFc5Ugt87AY-Hsj8iFqPxfMrMTMcRPA46OYY1Lc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 25, 2006 The Intelligencer http://www.theintelligencer.net/News/articles.asp?articleID=3D10910 By MARIO MUSCAR DALLAS PIKE, WV =97 A roller coaster from Germany. A steam-powered=20 train from the United Kingdom. A launch coaster and tea cups from=20 Italy. It's safe to say the Wild Escape Theme Park at The Highlands will=20 have an international flair as plans for the 100-acre amusement site=20 move forward. WE President Steve Minard said he is coordinating with his suppliers=20 from countries such as Italy, Argentina, Germany and the U.K. for=20 park equipment. "Things are going very well," Minard said. "We hope=20 to open as soon as possible." Minard and Ohio County Administrator Greg Stewart have approved the=20 final site layout for the park, which will be at the west end of The=20 Highlands, near the bottom of Two-Mile Hill. Minard also said he has been discussing the land-grading plans with=20 engineers and determining when "blasting rock" and leveling the 100- acre site will begin. Decisions on the park site only can be made after determining what=20 would be best for The Highlands in its entirety, Minard said. "We're=20 not an island," Minard said. "We are part of a much larger=20 development." Minard said the project is "like planning a small city" and he hopes=20 to have phase 1 of the 3-phase project completed next summer, as=20 planned. The feasibility of that happening, however, depends on when the=20 ground is ready and earthwork is complete. Stewart said plans are to complete sections of earthwork one at a=20 time so parts of the park can open. "We're going to move as much dirt=20 with this project as we have in the last 3 years" at the entire=20 Highlands site, Stewart said. The goal is to begin earthwork in the=20 next 2-3 months. "There is a large amount of work to be done." Major infrastructure projects also must be completed before=20 construction on the park can begin, Stewart added. "It is necessary=20 to know conceptually where things are so infrastructure like=20 utilities and roadways are in the appropriate areas," Stewart said. The $200 million development =97all privately financed =97 will have both=20 indoor and outdoor portions with thrill rides, waterparks, ongoing=20 entertainment, lodging, shopping and restaurants. The theme park was=20 announced by the Ohio County Development Authority along with other=20 retail additions to The Highlands at a groundbreaking event in July. ---------- =A9 2006 The Intelligencer & Wheeling News Register From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 12:35:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18203 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 19:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 19:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.202) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 19:34:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:33:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:33:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:33:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: PETA slams cockroach eating contest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=N86V0wrzxVDMiDOBljf1ZFdC0jfwsyaCCEvEHYjt_ruZk5k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sept. 25, 2006 United Press International http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=3D20060925-013315-7165r CHICAGO, IL -- An animal rights organization is asking a suburban=20 Chicago amusement park to cancel plans to hold a live cockroach- eating contest next month. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals says it has been flooded=20 with calls and e-mails protesting the upcoming contest at Six Flags=20 Great America in Gurnee, IL, the Chicago Sun-Times reports. Last week 6F announced that any visitor who ate a live, 3-inch=20 Madagascar hissing cockroach at this year's Halloween Fright Fest=20 would receive a pass allowing them to go to the head of the line for=20 any ride in the amusement park. In addition to the free pass offer, 6F said it planned to host an=20 open-invitation contest for those who wanted to try to break the=20 Guinness world record for the most baked Madagascar cockroaches eaten=20 in a single minute. The current world record of 36 roaches was set 5 years ago. "We're=20 asking them to cancel (this) gratuitously cruel practice, which is=20 really just a tired gag from 'Fear Factor,'" says Jackie Vergerio, a=20 PETA spokeswoman. ----------- =A9 Copyright 2006 United Press International, Inc. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 12:40:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87204 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 19:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 19:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.203) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 19:40:22 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:39:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:39:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Many capture final ride at park X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=FFbUa4wxctaQR9lX5rg9Yl04QDzd6_Aj7WSQJw9fkiMVTwE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 25, 2006 The Sun News http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/1560 2170.htm?source=3Drss&channel=3Dmyrtlebeachonline_local by Lisa Fleisher & Jessica Foster Myrtle Beach, SC -- Little Cameron Van Schaick draped himself over=20 The Pavilion turnstile on Ninth Avenue North, waiting at the head of=20 the line for the park to open on the last day the general public=20 could get into the park for free. Once inside, the 8-y.o. ran straight for the Wave Swinger and=20 joyfully said, "There's no one on it!" It was the last regular day at the iconic Myrtle Beach Pavilion=20 Amusement Park - the last time teenagers could hang out and eat=20 funnel cakes, the last day for the general public and the last day=20 season-ticket-holders such as Cameron could use their passes. "He was=20 afraid it would be too crowded today," said his grandmother, Suzanne=20 Paradis, as she watched him fly through the air on the swing. "He=20 wanted to be first so he could ride the swings and not have to wait=20 in line forever." She clutched the last of 7 disposable cameras she's used to document=20 their last summer at the park. "He's going to miss it," she said. Sunday drew little more than half the 14,500 who turned out Saturday,=20 said Pat Dowling, spokesman for park owner Burroughs & Chapin Co.=20 Inc. "Today's crowd was primarily locals," he said. "Yesterday's=20 crowd was primarily vacationers who were in town for the last day of=20 their vacation." The weekend closed out the strongest September the company has seen=20 in years and was comparable to a July Fourth weekend. Tickets are still available for the "Last Ride" experience on=20 Saturday, a last hurrah for the park from 3pm-8pm. The tickets, sold=20 in advance, are $35 for those 7 and over and $20 for ages 3 to 6.=20 They include snacks, unlimited rides, a commemorative gift and=20 entertainment. Prices are $5 more if tickets are bought that day. But 4-y.o. Abbigail Strickland will not return next weekend. Sunday=20 she had her last thrill on her favorite ride, the Tooter Train. "Choo- choo train!" Abbigail yelled from the bleachers near the park's=20 entrance, munching on a corndog in the 90-degree weather. The train and most other kiddie rides were packed by early afternoon,=20 while the bigger, more gut-wrenching rides such as the Pirate were=20 practically vacant. To Abbigail's mom, Tammi Strickland, the park's appeal to youngsters=20 is its biggest attraction. When The Pavilion is gone, she's worried that there won't be anything=20 in the Myrtle Beach area that caters to small children like the 58- y.o. park does. Armed with digital cameras and video recorders, parents surrounded=20 rides such as the Frog Hopper and the Kiddie Swings hoping to capture=20 their children's last moments on the cherished rides. Some came for the first time, knowing it would be their last. "My=20 girls have never been here, so I was like, I've got to make it," said=20 Christy Adkins, who watched her daughters Mia, 5, and Emme, 3, ride=20 the Dune Buggies. "I've put it off through the summer because it=20 being too crowded. Because we live local, I just decided, OK, we'll=20 go today. Last day, you know?" Many of those parents remember riding those rides themselves. "It=20 makes me want to cry," said Jessie Reed of Murrells Inlet, who has=20 been coming to the park for 40 years. Her favorite ride is and always=20 has been the Carousel, she said. "You feel like part of your heritage=20 is gone," Reed said. The park has been a traditional hangout for Myrtle Beach's teens. One=20 group waiting on line at the HydroSurge on Sunday said they would=20 feel the void when The Pavilion closed. "I don't think it's fair of=20 them to close it, because we don't really have anything else to do in=20 Myrtle Beach," said Eliana Elia, 14. And Mary Cannon Tolson of Pawleys Island couldn't speak, tearing and=20 choking up when she thought about The Pavilion closing. Instead, she=20 tended to her daughter Sassy's 7th birthday party in the Park Place=20 Restaurant. When the rides shut down and lights were dimmed around 8pm, people=20 took their final pictures and trickled out through the souvenir shop,=20 where a line stretched from the cash register to the door. Betty Harrington, 60, who grew up in the Washington, D.C., area,=20 earlier in the day bought souvenir T-shirts to bring home for friends=20 whom she used to go to The Pavilion with in the 1950s. "To me, as a=20 child, it was just the greatest thing in the world - I'd died and=20 gone to heaven when I came here," she said. "We would drive nine=20 hours to get here, and it was worth every mile. Worth every mile." ------- Copyright 2006 The Sun News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 12:42:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23765 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 19:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 19:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 19:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:41:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2006 19:41:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:41:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: The Pavilion History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zCZ9yI-OSBc_YLhGrU4iwfZbAB7ba2Dxo-Y4P_crZUATIh4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 1908 | Pavilion built as a wooden, one-story structure. 1920 | Pavilion burns down and is replaced by a 2-story wooden=20 building in 1925. 1944 | Pavilion burns down again, and this time is rebuilt using=20 reinforced concrete walls. 1948 | Burroughs & Chapin Co. Inc. buys the traveling Husted Brothers=20 Carnival, reincarnating the site as The Myrtle Beach Pavilion &=20 Amusement Park. 1950 | Zebras, frogs, giraffes, roosters and ostriches are among the=20 animals on the Herschell-Spillman Carousel, one of 14 rides added to=20 The Pavilion this year. 1954 | The concrete building survives Hurricane Hazel. 1957 | A 2-ton pipe organ, the German Baden Band Organ, is installed. ---------- Copyright 2006 The Sun News From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Sep 25 20:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17909 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.197) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 03:08:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 03:08:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 03:08:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:08:33 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.197 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Theme Park on Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=b9Hnl6pui_H3rLVnwpM9QHLEJnvjVsOy3Ll7j16pv897n_rhAA X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote: > > September 25, 2006 > The Intelligencer > http://www.theintelligencer.net/News/articles.asp?articleID=3D10910 > By MARIO MUSCAR >=20 >=20 > DALLAS PIKE, WV =97 A roller coaster from Germany. A steam-powered=20 > train from the United Kingdom. A launch coaster and tea cups from=20 > Italy. Launch coaster from Italy? Do we have the first Zamperla Motobike=20 coaster in the US identified in such an off the cuff manner? It seems=20 like it... Chris B From yaytez@hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 21:31:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: yaytez@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3863 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 04:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 04:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 04:29:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 04:28:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 04:28:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:28:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.186 From: "yaytez" Subject: Halloween Horror Nights Podcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283972031; y=gvHU_ZkN6drjt9RwybePhDPbrQvsidWnfdUvNCw5QpD6 X-Yahoo-Profile: yaytez This is not an official site podcast, but it will be good. I have=20 been doing this little podcasting thing for a few weeks now and I have=20 a HUGE HHN show coming up for any fans, or those who want to be=20 Halloween Horror Nights fans. I wont tell you whats going to be on,=20 but I will tell you that it will be HUGE!!! And I will have some=20 guests. So please tune in at ioacentralradio.libsyn.com From gburnash@earthlink.net Tue Sep 26 06:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65959 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 13:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 13:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 13:41:12 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GSDB2-0004Xy-Cy for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: <45192DE5.8000902@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:40:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786a166ed818d7c747fb7d3d8e28a69360985f1e14bc6b9bfb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Theme Park on Track X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=tjKISddOxBxZDacIRxJUnaStx9uHK10dnhfBrDZPfvHvTxA X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Alan wrote: > DALLAS PIKE, WV — A roller coaster from Germany. A steam-powered > train from the United Kingdom. A launch coaster and tea cups from > Italy. > > It's safe to say the Wild Escape Theme Park at The Highlands will > have an international flair as plans for the 100-acre amusement site > move forward. Umm, yeah, but then wouldn't that mean that most parks have an "international flavor?" hehe But then this line just cracks me up: > "We hope > to open as soon as possible." And that means exactly what? Talk about the ambiguous line of the year award! :) But ok, after all the marketing drivel-speak, it does sound like this might have the potential to be a nice park. Should be fun to watch the building process. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 13:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92274 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 20:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 20:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 20:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:12:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:12:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:12:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: MISC: New Photo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=RhNjk-hgReB1arXR4Ih6cOGABg-fm1Uhg8kbSEoGebizDUw X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 I was perusing a "Retro" photo sight (I got there via a long and=20 winding road), and I came across this Bohn Aluminum & Brass ad from=20 1946. I Hope you like it! (I sure do) (You have to log-in to the Group sight to see the pic) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk/photos/view/b589?b=3D4 -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 13:35:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9547 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 20:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 20:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.181) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 20:31:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:30:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:30:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:30:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:30:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Genting consortium reveals Universal Studios theme park project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=gytBIcEjt9V-bxyIuYMrggWRG1yGikM6cr-ywn9ZZyxG-zU X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 26 September 2006 Channel NewsAsia http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporebusinessnews/view/2326 70/1/.html By Wong Siew Ying Singapore -- Singaporeans and visitors can look forward to a=20 Universal Studios theme park with at least 16 customised attractions=20 at Sentosa if Genting International-Star Cruises consortium lands the=20 integrated resort project there. The bidder says the physical design of Universal Studios Singapore=20 will be larger than its Hollywood counterpart. Dubbing it a "first-of-its-kind theme park in Asia", the resort=20 operator estimates the attraction will draw over 5 million visitors=20 each year. Some US$1 billion will be invested to build USS which will include 6=20 themed areas encircling a lagoon, as well as new rides based on=20 movies like Madagascar, King Kong, Revenge of the Mummy and=20 Waterworld. There will also be live entertainment shows and educational features=20 about computer-generated animation and the art of making a hit movie. The 4 bidders vying for the Sentosa integrated resort project are due=20 to submit their proposals on October 10th. --------- =A9 2006 MCN International Pte Ltd. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 13:44:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4913 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 20:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.214) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 20:37:59 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:37:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:37:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Ailing Macau theme park may be sold off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Umzc6bab6QMJ3b7GIYBSGpNfOm_7BTY5y_CjcNdouj7QrS8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 25, 2006 Yahoo! News Asia Agence Fran=E7aise d'Information http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060925/afp/060925061713business.html HONG KONG, China -- A new theme park that hoped to cash in on Macau's=20 casino-led economic boom may be sold off, a media report has said, as=20 attendance figures remain low just months after it was opened. Fisherman's Wharf, a harbourside complex of rides and fair-ground=20 oddities controlled by casino kingpin Stanley Ho, could be spun off=20 as part of a package of properties including a casino and 2 hotels. According to a report in the South China Morning Post, sources=20 suggested an initial public offering of the new company could go=20 ahead before year's end. Fisherman's Wharf - the first theme park in the tiny former=20 Portuguese enclave - opened on New Year's Day with great fanfare. Built to resemble the architecture of the world's great cities, the=20 park features a 40-metre-high man-made volcano attraction, a Roman=20 amphitheatre as well as shops, bars and a convention hall. Its owners hoped it would benefit from the explosion in tourist=20 arrivals since US investment revitalised the city's once ailing=20 casino market. However, the park has failed to attract the 60,000 daily visitors=20 developers had planned for, and its close proximity to the Sands=20 Macau - the world's largest casino - has drawn away potential=20 customers. It is one of a number of tourist attractions designed to prolong the=20 current average length of visitor stay in Macau of less than 2 days,=20 a level economists say would not sustain recent growth rates. Some 25 billion US dollars of investment has been committed to the=20 southern Chinese city to build hotels and resorts to house the new=20 influx. --------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Pte Ltd. =A9 2005 AFP From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 13:44:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54750 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2006 20:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2006 20:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2006 20:42:29 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:42:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2006 20:42:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:42:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Jackson slams Leprechaun theme park reports Sunday X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=j7mXt0L1sxjBo0nQZyhtInVFUnwzXF5cANdAPhlwxe2_TIM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 24, 2006 World Entertainment News Network Yahoo! News UK & Ireland http://uk.news.yahoo.com/24092006/364/jackson-slams-leprechaun-theme- park-reports.html Bahrain -- Michael Jackson has slammed media reports claiming he=20 plans to buy an estate in Ireland and open a leprechaun-inspired=20 theme park. Jackson has been spending time in Ireland, prompting the reports in=20 the Ireland Daily Mirror. A source quoted in the story claimed, "Michael is deadly serious=20 about this idea. He loves the whole idea of leprechauns and the magic=20 and myths of Ireland. "It would cost around 500 million Euros to do. He's always wanted to=20 open his own theme park and he thinks Ireland is the perfect place." But a spokesperson for the cash-strapped star, who is currently based=20 in Bahrain, insists the reports are "erroneous and ridiculous". --------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! UK Limited From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Sep 26 20:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46185 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 03:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 03:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 03:02:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 03:01:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 03:01:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:01:49 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.203.84 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Next Year's Holiwood Nights? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=qoJXk0y_o4ElXh68-S3ejarmoZ666_XHv3O6_7KHTeFlnTRixIIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Anyone know if and when they are doing this again next year? AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 02:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90710 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 09:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 09:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 09:54:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 09:54:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 09:54:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:54:35 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: Next Year's Holiwood Nights? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=o7cZdW1wOTzn44FIvJjLNxLRchr47IvepKQ7IVGF_iaQ0YLqGw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > > Anyone know if and when they are doing this again next year? >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. > Dunno, but I am so there if they do!=20 OBTW, Brian, the AFLAC commercials in Japan are even funnier than the=20 ones in the US! I saw one the other day where the duck was a giant and=20 defeated Gojira (Godzilla) with an ultra-powerful 'AFLAC!' Chris B From gburnash@earthlink.net Wed Sep 27 04:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98876 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 11:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 11:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 11:16:10 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GSXNp-0000VF-H6 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: <451A5D4B.9010402@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:15:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786a166ed818d7c7478fa05cd1347d2df6806aff0105fd555a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Ailing Macau theme park may be sold off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=PgDUDBnGNifZ4ccPLdJpr7RTAOyiDypZWelmVXcO1NMnIWw X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash OK I've decided that the people who built this park must be a bit nuts... Alan wrote: > > However, the park has failed to attract the 60,000 daily visitors > developers had planned for, and its close proximity to the Sands > Macau - the world's largest casino - has drawn away potential > customers. 60,000 daily visitors? Ummm, hello? That's a pretty busy summer day at the Magic Kingdom, the second busiest park in the entire world! And these guys think that they're going to get more people coming through their brand new place that isn't even as big every single day? Heck, MK only does that for a couple of months and holidays. Most of the time it's much less. And then they built their success model based on that attendance? Duh! It's no wonder it's failing. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From munkye1972@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 05:16:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5232 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 12:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 12:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 12:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 12:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 12:16:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 12:16:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:16:26 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <451A5D4B.9010402@earthlink.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 125.14.204.9 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: NEWS: Ailing Macau theme park may be sold off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Zo6bPS0p_XHYhbFcVY4T40TeYkBKzAQa0FWi4rz7Xgxygf9BGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 You know, I read this and didn't catch that number was out of whack.=20 After some of these Japanese parks that get 60 people a day, you=20 think it would have stood out. I wonder if the casino gets 60,000=20 people a day? Chris B --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, george burnash=20 wrote: > > OK I've decided that the people who built this park must be a bit=20 nuts... >=20 > Alan wrote: > >=20 > > However, the park has failed to attract the 60,000 daily visitors > > developers had planned for, and its close proximity to the Sands > > Macau - the world's largest casino - has drawn away potential > > customers. >=20 > 60,000 daily visitors? Ummm, hello? That's a pretty busy summer=20 day at=20 > the Magic Kingdom, the second busiest park in the entire world!=20=20 And=20 > these guys think that they're going to get more people coming=20 through=20 > their brand new place that isn't even as big every single day?=20=20 Heck, MK=20 > only does that for a couple of months and holidays. Most of the=20 time=20 > it's much less. >=20 > And then they built their success model based on that attendance?=20=20 Duh!=20 > It's no wonder it's failing. >=20 > keep on ridin' > George >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >=20 > Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one=20 thrill=20 > ride you'll never want to end. > From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 09:38:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11060 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 16:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 16:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 16:34:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n20.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 16:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 16:33:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:33:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Prices rising for some amusement park passes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=cySEYMOOVkOuCV3KGCAAPzxnTRFXiTN2g1jbaHTmWbdYJvc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 26, 2006 The Muskegon Chronicle http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news- 10/1159285505208920.xml&coll=3D8 By Dave Alexander Muskegon, MI -- The typical Cedar Fair season pass holder who wants=20 to visit Michigan's Adventure Amusement Park in Muskegon and Cedar=20 Point in Ohio will have a 23% price hike for 2007. However, the MA-only user will have a 5% price reduction. CF, owners of 12 amusement parks across the country including MA,=20 sent letters recently to current season pass holders explaining a new=20 multiple-option season pass program for 2007. The season pass program was redesigned with the CF acquisition of the=20 5 Paramount amusement parks earlier this year, according to MA's GM=20 Camille Jourden-Mark. For 2006, MA provided a season pass for a special fall price of $85.=20 The regular price for a season pass in 2006 was $95. The season pass=20 was good for general admission to MA and all of the CF amusement=20 parks including the popular Cedar Point in Sandusky, OH. According to the MA letter, there are now 4 season pass options. The=20 letter included a price list through Dec. 22 at which time the=20 company said prices would increase. The letter did not give specific=20 prices for the 2007 passes after Dec. 22. "The pass has a much=20 greater potential and value," Jourden-Mark said of the expanded CF=20 lineup of parks. "These passes are deals right now. They are on sale.=20 The prices will increase at the end of the year." The new pass options include a MA-only pass for $79.95 per person and=20 a MA/CP only pass for $105. Thus, a typical MA and CF season pass user for this past season will=20 find at least a 23% increase for 2007. CF has a Maxx Pass for all of its 12 amusement parks for $125 per=20 person. The price jumps to $149.95 for the CF Maxx Plus Pass for all=20 the amusement parks and 5 separate outdoor water parks. The Maxx Pass will give a West Michigan customer many nearby options.=20 CF has parks in Muskegon, Sandusky and Cleveland but now also has=20 Canada's Wonderland in Toronto and King's Island in Cincinnati.=20 MA's Wildwater Adventure outdoor water park is included in the price=20 of general admission and the season pass. General admission at MA was=20 $24 in 2006, an increase of $1 from the prior year. From 2002 to 2005, MA held its admission price steady at $23. Because=20 of falling attendance and a tough economy in the Upper Midwest, CP=20 actually lowered prices for 2006. General admission prices for the next season at MA and the regular=20 season pass prices for CF will not be announced until later in the=20 fall, Jourden-Mark said. ----------- =A92006 Michigan Live LLC From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 10:02:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19661 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 16:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 16:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.176) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 16:58:11 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 16:58:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 16:58:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 16:58:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:00 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Storyland-Playland will remain open X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Oy8-FFB774u-LGaZeBExhPZLRc-06qp-7_9n3FDc2WuEhoI X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep 26, 2006 KSEE-TV 24 http://www.ksee24.com/Story.aspx?type=3Dln&NStoryID=3D5307 =20 Fresno, CA -- The City of Fresno has voted to keep Storyland-Playland=20 open, but only if the amusement park makes a series of improvements. The City Council says it will pay the park's $75,000 liability=20 insurance premium if park officials meet its guidelines. Council members want the park to fix various fire, health and=20 electrical hazards. Most of them can be resolved by putting up fences.=20 Park operators say they should be able to make the repairs within a few=20 weeks. ----------- =A9 2006 KSEE24-TV From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 12:43:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40745 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 19:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 19:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.127) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 19:42:16 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 19:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 19:42:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 19:42:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:41:59 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Nick or Treat(TM) at Paramount's Great America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=66inzGZ6j_Yqwja5RHc73ZdU3aDNcIrWC6JIjs2lpcNbAFE X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 26, 2006 Press Release Source: Paramount's Great America=20 PR Newswire Yahoo! Finanace http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060926/sftu061.html?.v=3D75 SANTA CLARA, CA. -- Nick or Treat(TM) returns to Paramount's Great=20 America for 6 days of family-friendly Halloween fun! Weekends only,=20 October 14-29, PGA will be costumed in thousands of pumpkins, hay=20 bales, corn stalks and skeletons to create a unique Northern=20 California Halloween experience that the entire family can enjoy=20 together. In addition to the park's array of rides and attractions, families=20 can: * Trick-or-treat along with Nickelodeon characters like SpongeBob=20 SquarePants(TM) and Dora the Explorer(TM) at 5 designated trick-or- treat stations in Nickelodeon Central(TM). PGA is the only place in=20 Northern California where kids can trick-or-treat along with their=20 Nickelodeon friends. This safe and fun trick-or-treating experience=20 for kids ages 12 and younger runs from noon to 4 p.m. * Join Nickelodeon=AE friends in a Halloween-version of the Nickelodeon (TM) Celebration Parade at 5 p.m. daily! Halloween music, more than=20 20 Nickelodeon characters, 7 floats including the SpongeBob=20 SquarePants(TM) and Dora the Explorer(TM) brigades and a cast of=20 nearly 100 costumed performers will dance through the guest-lined=20 streets of PGA in a 30-minute spectacular. Costumed children 12 years=20 of age and under, along with their parents, are encouraged to take=20 part in the parade for a one-of-a-kind experience. * Ride the Scary-Go-Round, the world's tallest double-decker=20 carousel, complete with giant spider webs, skeletons and fog to help=20 create a mystical experience. * Take a haunted ride among dim lighting, fog and bats on the=20 Collision Caverns bumper cars. * Join skeletons and grim reapers for a leisurely skyward journey in=20 gondolas along the park's Phantom Flyer. * Jump around in bubbling pumpkin patch foam pits or weave through a=20 corn maze. * Experience the thrills of two motion-simulator movies,=20 Elvira's "Superstition" and "Fun House Express" in the park's Action=20 FX Theater. * Sing along at Scary-okie, a frightfully-fun Halloween version of=20 karaoke that includes songs such as "Monster Mash" and "Thriller." * See sun-loving skeletons frolicking in and around the park's=20 reflection pond at Skeleton Beach. * Interact with a funny talking pumpkin that has its eyes on all the=20 guests! PGA is committed to the safety of all park guests. Parents and=20 guardians are asked to use good judgment on masks and make-up that=20 could obstruct a child's vision while visiting the park. Nick or Treat is free with park admission and runs Saturdays &=20 Sundays, October 14-29, 2006. For more information and to purchase=20 discount tickets, visit www.pgathrills.com or call 408-988-1776. ----------- =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 PR Newswire From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 14:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67669 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 21:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 21:39:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 21:39:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:37:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:37:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:37:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.250.222 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: NEWS: See the world, one Disney park at a time X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WHvIlFow90j_7KLPRMaKypK4JQLZjialxcnSFef7_aLR-IoTJCeF X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme These Australians love Mickey: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20060925/ap_tr_ge/travel_trip_disney_worl= d_tour < Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 14:49:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43651 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:45:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:45:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.250.222 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: MISC: Wiegand Mountain Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=Z4WvMbkgp9Fh-ADl5gggOVPQ2B3huZYGHTdyXda11t4l-eyHd7CZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme I just got the September issue of Amusement Today, prompt as usual :-P On the cover is a new type of coaster at Park City (Utah) Mountain Resort, a Wiegand Mountain Coaster. It's basically an alpine bobsled with a single two-person car that rides along a rail 4,000 feet down the mountain. From the pictures it looks like a blast! Has anyone else heard of this? You can find the manufacturer at > http://www.wiegandslide.com/alpine-coaster-bobs.html < It solves the age-old Alpine Slide problem of the cars flying off out of the trough. But I bet it's really expensive. And I just found out there's one at Jiminy Peak in Hancock MA! (But it's half the length of the Utah one...) I'll have to check it out. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Sep 27 14:56:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45437 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2006 21:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2006 21:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2006 21:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:53:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2006 21:53:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:53:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.200 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.250.222 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: New Photo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=B6mp7z2WtRF96Rh6LTgDjnxq8OHvG0XOoo61pEDonoS7WsJwrara X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I was perusing a "Retro" photo sight < Whoa! Talk about Art Deco! It looks sort of like a bus with a carousel built into it. Some of the fun of a carousel might be lost, though: that sensation of being thrown from the horse because of centrifugal force. But then again, it might seem much more like really riding an animal. Very interesting.... I wonder if any were built. Jay From bethtoons@gmail.com Wed Sep 27 17:54:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55276 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 00:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 00:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.184) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 00:49:23 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x30so598144nfb for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.80.12 with SMTP id h12mr3058319nfl; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.34.5 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30609271746tf6d83b4l252623aa952c6e41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:18 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Wiegand Mountain Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=IAoUU5T1A82rXt0LHWgfIdHqD2zmrTQR5WYBl-JCKUGfP2ms X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons There's also one at Glenwood Caverns in Colorado.... very unique and was a lot of fun! :) On 9/27/06, jay_ducharme wrote: > I just got the September issue of Amusement Today, prompt as usual :-P > > On the cover is a new type of coaster at Park City (Utah) Mountain > Resort, a Wiegand Mountain Coaster. It's basically an alpine bobsled > with a single two-person car that rides along a rail 4,000 feet down > the mountain. From the pictures it looks like a blast! Has anyone > else heard of this? You can find the manufacturer at > > > http://www.wiegandslide.com/alpine-coaster-bobs.html < > > It solves the age-old Alpine Slide problem of the cars flying off out > of the trough. But I bet it's really expensive. > > And I just found out there's one at Jiminy Peak in Hancock MA! (But > it's half the length of the Utah one...) I'll have to check it out. > > Jay > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Sep 27 18:14:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72577 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 01:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 01:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 01:06:43 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8RKfWVd028087 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6e275$5557b460$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:41:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS SFI ANNOUNCES DREAM NIGHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=3kHcSsdb5uGCwuSksX45cEPnf91VDWt7HtdwaAkdZhdmCm-q57qs X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/six-flags-announces-dream-nite/n20060927085909990025 Joe Tampa, Fla. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 19:15:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52413 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 02:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 02:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 02:08:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 02:08:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 02:08:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:08:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c6e275$5557b460$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: NEWS SFI ANNOUNCES DREAM NIGHT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=OaDKbaX2S7xxJFjL7mRHUyBXNwrqoeiw77A4EjNS1kuYbD-YHA X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL" = wrote: > > http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/six-flags-announces-dream-nite/ n20060927085909990025 >=20 >=20 > Joe > Tampa, Fla. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I love how after they tell you that when you buy a season pass, you are Aut= omatically entered=20 to win... but then at the bottom they have a NO PURCHASE NECESSARY way to e= nter the=20 contest..... not like it matters anyways, the people who win will be friend= s/relatives of those=20 who are the higher ups! After working w/ Radio Promotions, I know how the BIG contest winners are c= hosen! caller=20 199 my @$$! jeremy d. From daniel_roach@hotmail.com Thu Sep 28 05:02:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: daniel_roach@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69971 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 12:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 12:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 12:01:21 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 12:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 12:00:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 12:00:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:00:54 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 195.171.40.130 From: "daniel_roachus" Subject: Re: MISC: Wiegand Mountain Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=10520796; y=bsVBJz4lQ3_MtU6TCUknVRO25qvEbqsDxeldnkzFbwYpcsVsiQZwIRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: daniel_roachus --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > I just got the September issue of Amusement Today, prompt as=20 usual :-P >=20 > On the cover is a new type of coaster at Park City (Utah) Mountain > Resort, a Wiegand Mountain Coaster. It's basically an alpine=20 bobsled > with a single two-person car that rides along a rail 4,000 feet down > the mountain. From the pictures it looks like a blast! Has anyone > else heard of this? You can find the manufacturer at >=20 > > http://www.wiegandslide.com/alpine-coaster-bobs.html < >=20 > It solves the age-old Alpine Slide problem of the cars flying off=20 out > of the trough. But I bet it's really expensive. >=20 > And I just found out there's one at Jiminy Peak in Hancock MA! (But > it's half the length of the Utah one...) I'll have to check it out. >=20 > Jay > There are a few around europe. I hope to get on the one at Todtnau=20 in germany next year! From jzucker@alpha-sys.com Thu Sep 28 10:47:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jzucker@alpha-sys.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92681 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 17:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 17:47:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO asmail.alpha-sys.com) (64.242.6.137) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 17:47:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00B8D979@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The Big E Thread-Index: AcbjJhow28FdKXb6RqSKB9gxUT4kpg== To: X-Originating-IP: 64.242.6.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Jon Zucker" Subject: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192106588; y=bkIqHK0BhvA42h2qf09BPyfoylf-YPXKQcUI995XzW83Wdf8EA X-Yahoo-Profile: zucker0615 Jay's report mentioned the Dave and Dania quick-change act. Another friend of mine who also saw them at the Big E sent me this clip. It really is amazing. http://www.youtube.com/v/RB-wUgnyGv0 Jon Z (still trying to change my socks) The First ______________________________=20 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 10:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28417 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 17:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 17:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.110) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 17:58:11 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 17:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 17:56:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 17:56:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:56:10 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Theme Park Treasure Hunt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Agj4_R9S8G_bFBmua18IuxAXu0X22avhe47q-7jjhJ8hA6Y X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 -WARNING- ADULT CONTENT Okay it's more like PG-13, but I thought I had better let everyone=20 know. -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 20 September 2006 Rainbow Network http://www.rainbownetwork.com/Fun/detail.asp? iData=3D26378&iCat=3D110&iChannel=3D20&nChannel=3DFun Alton, Staffordshire, UK -- This year's GaydarDays event at Alton=20 Towers promises to be a high octane mix of fun, music, dance,=20 adrenaline rides, thrills, spills, tacky souvenirs and camp=20 shenanigans as Europe's largest theme park goes pink. What's more, the event on Saturday, September 30th promises to be a=20 veritable treasure trove of new experiences (apart from a whole host=20 of muscled party boys queuing up to ride into `Oblivion') as drag=20 queens, burly bears, twinks, hunks, chunks, trannies, dykes and=20 lipstick lezzas all congregate to ride till their hearts content. As if things won't be lively enough with so much entertainment we=20 have devised a cunning treasure hunt which is sure to delight and=20 have you skipping around the park with glee. This is an individual game, and the stakes are high, so be ruthless!=20 The winner will be the first to collect the following: =95 An autograph from a super star DJ, Greg Myers, Gonzalo and Slamma=20 are just a few spinning tunes all day, an easy one to get you started. =95 2 different types of whistles, make some noise, apart from the=20 screams of excitement as you ride around those roller coasters of=20 course. =95 The most unlikely type of fluffy toy you can find. There are stalls=20 aplenty where you can test your skills for a fluffy tiger, bear, frog=20 or dolphin. =95 The tackiest, tasteless branded item that you can find. Hats,=20 drinks holders, teeny boppers, tennis caps emblazoned with a suitably=20 gauche logo `Scream if you wanna' go faster'. =95 3 telephone numbers of possible dates for the night. An extra point=20 for more than 3, and double points if you get a celebrity phone=20 number. =95 4 kisses from victims of your choice. These can be some of the same=20 people you get the phone numbers from. After all, you want to test=20 the goods before you dive, don't you? 1 extra point for a complete=20 minger, and double points for a celebrity. =95 6 flyers, one for each colour of the rainbow flag (yes, I know the=20 real rainbow has 7 colours, but they missed one on our beloved Pride=20 symbol). =95 A drag queen's eyelash or false finger nail (this'll be a toughie.=20 Few queens are likely to part with beloved accessories, so you're a=20 real pro if you get one). Bonus Point: A bonus point goes to the one with the most hilarious=20 photos of someone on a ride. If you think you can keep your cool=20 while all about you are losing theirs just check out your face on the=20 cameras after those white knuckle monsters have finished with you. Go forth, my pretties, and conquer! Read our article on Theme Park Thrills, our review of GaydarDays at=20 Thorpe Park and our huge image gallery! GaydarDays Alton Towers: 30 September with special weekend packages=20 available! To book your ticket to the most spine-tingling, invigorating and=20 thrilling event this year, visit www.gaydardays.co.uk and come out=20 and play for what we are sure will be a fabulous weekend! --------- =A9 1999 - 2006 QSoft Consulting From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 11:19:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38418 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 18:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 18:17:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 18:17:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n15.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 18:16:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 18:16:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:16:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.32 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: PR: Sage CRM SalesLogix Connects With LEGOLAND to Triple Its Customer Accounts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Po28eA0HAS92qd2Ix11G3T0J3cwOv93gSGqgn9bcmQzJkbc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 28, 2006 Press Release: Sage Software Market Wire Yahoo! Finance http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060928/0167274.html SCOTTSDALE, AZ -- Sage Software today announced that LEGOLAND=20 California, a 128-acre interactive children's theme park, has=20 successfully used Sage CRM SalesLogix to increase its consignment=20 contract and prepaid sales accounts nearly threefold, growing from=20 250 to 725 accounts, since implementing the solution in 2002. LLCa=20 attributes its growth to prioritized sales activities that employees=20 identify using customized SalesLogix account management capabilities. "With SalesLogix, our salespeople know exactly where to direct their=20 attention," said Colin Ross, sales manager for LLCa. "We can generate=20 reports that clearly identify prime targets, enabling our team to be=20 proactive and more efficient in servicing our customers. Our account=20 growth is directly related to our use of SalesLogix." Customized CRM And Employee Adoption Revitalizes Sales Strategy LLCa primarily sells theme park admission tickets on consignment, a=20 practice that differentiates the park from its competitors. When a=20 customer such as a hotel or corporation wants to offer its guests or=20 employees discounted tickets to LLCa, it purchases a yearlong=20 consignment contract that provides an allotment of tickets and=20 provisions for unused tickets to be returned for credit. The theme park opened in 1999 using a contact management program to=20 track its customer interactions, but employees never fully embraced=20 the system. LLCa defined and instituted a formal sales methodology in=20 2002, and selected Sage to support its new focus on identifying and=20 prioritizing sales activities with its most valuable customers. LLCa worked with Spinnaker Network Solutions, Inc., a Sage Solutions=20 business partner, to implement SalesLogix. Spinnaker customized the=20 system to automate LLCa's consignment contract sales model, and=20 provided a training program that has achieved 100% employee adoption=20 of SalesLogix. Spinnaker also created a tickets tab for the SalesLogix account=20 detail screen that has further aided LLCa employees' use of the=20 system. Sales representatives can track detailed account information=20 including the number of tickets ordered, price per ticket, how many=20 tickets have been redeemed and when. LLCa management can now more=20 accurately make revenue projections and set sales team priorities=20 based on each account's running balance, the likely number of tickets=20 to be returned for credit, and identification of customers who need=20 their ticket supplies replenished. "SalesLogix has become an integral tool that LLCa relies heavily=20 upon," said Mitch Cannady, president for Spinnaker. "We customized=20 the system to allow LLCa employees to track complex account=20 information that makes a positive daily impact on the company's=20 financial success." "LLCa's CRM results are a wonderful example of what is possible using=20 SalesLogix," added Bob Neeser, VP of sales for Sage. "LLCa began with=20 specific customer-focused processes in mind and, leveraging the=20 flexibility of SalesLogix, was able to match the system to their=20 processes and not the other way around." -------- =A9 2006 Sage Software, Inc. =A9 2006 Yahoo! Inc. =A9 2006 Market Wire From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 11:52:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41167 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 18:50:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 18:50:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:50:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: A hair-raising ranking X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=vFl1bxOw9ArtJSB5jYMNCmvGfxEnO-h0zxlyERFzGqs8PyY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 28, 2006 Bay News 9 http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2006/9/28/186274.html by Jason Lanning =20 Tampa, FL -- The Internet site, hauntedhousemagazine.com, has lifted=20 Busch Gardens Howl-O-Scream to a new level in theme park=20 entertainment. The web site lists H-O-S the number 2 Halloween attraction in the=20 country, while Universal Studios Halloween Horror Nights ranked 3rd=20 on the list. BG Entertainment VP Elaine College credits research and development=20 for the new ranking. "We are looking at each house," Colleges=20 said. "We are listening to guests. We do focus groups and we intend=20 to be the best for ourguests." The park doesn't release attendance numbers, but it said each year=20 almost 80% of the people attending H-O-S have visited the park for=20 the event in previous years. That may be because of added attractions. New to H-O-S this year are 2 new scare zones, a street show and a=20 brand-new haunted house called 'Trapped'. "It is a very exciting time=20 here," College said. "We are just busy from morning to night,=20 tweaking everything to make sure everything is as scary as possible."=20 Alexis Muellner with the Tampa Bay Business Journal said the H-O-S=20 number 2 ranking gives BG an identity in a very competitive=20 market. "The competition for leisure dollars is so extreme that=20 anytime you get a bounce from a magazine or another group who can=20 rate them, it's going to have an impact for those folks," Muellner=20 said. ---------- =A9 2006 Bay News 9 From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 12:07:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70702 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 19:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 19:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 19:05:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 19:03:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2006 19:03:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:03:20 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Disneyland_Gay_Days,_October_6=968?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wdcdF9z1FUrjmWUSyvzjCIJnQBnK6OCv-PVFbUwUFOP-Wxc X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 -WARNING- ADULT CONTENT Now wait a minuite! I swear I'm not doing this on purpose. It must be that time of the year? -Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ September 28, 2006 The Advocate http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid36906.asp Anaheim, CA -- The annual "Gay Days" at the Disney theme parks in=20 Anaheim, Ca., will kick off Friday, October 6, with a party at=20 Downtown Disney. The event continues Saturday, October 7, with an=20 unofficial "Gay Day" in the Disneyland theme park and a party that=20 night at the House of Blues featuring Dreamgirls star Jennifer=20 Hudson. Sunday, October 8, will be the unofficial "Gay Day" at=20 Disney's California Adventure theme park. "Gay Days at DL is our chance to relive our childhood without all the=20 $#!++/ parts!" said actor and Advocate columnist Alec Mapa, who is co- hosting the Saturday night party, called "Kingdom," with Wilson Cruz.=20 Hudson will perform at Kingdom at 10 p.m., organizers said. The Trevor Project =97 a nonprofit organization that runs a 24-hour=20 suicide hot line for queer teens =97 will sponsor all of the youth=20 activities planned for the weekend, which include on October 7 a=20 scavenger hunt, lunch, and "dinner and movie" =97 all free for youth 21=20 and under who sign up at TheTrevorProject.org. The screening will be=20 of the campy flick Psycho Beach Party, and director Bob King will be=20 there to answer questions from the youth after the screening, which=20 will be held in the Gay Days Entertainment Center inside the DL=20 Hotel.=20 Gay Days Anaheim typically attracts more than 10,000 LGBT park- hoppers to the Disney theme parks, most of them wearing red shirts to=20 be visible among other park guests. Both the Saturday gathering in DL=20 and the Sunday gathering in DCA are privately organized and not=20 endorsed by the Disney company. For more information or to buy=20 tickets to the parties, go to gaydaysanaheim.com. ---------- =A9 2006 PlanetOut Inc From AcousticViscosity@gmail.com Thu Sep 28 12:25:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: acousticviscosity@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8121 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 19:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 19:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.225) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 19:18:59 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t10so704008wxc for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.125.11 with SMTP id x11mr840773wxc; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?12.214.216.121? ( [12.214.216.121]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h8sm2710365wxd.2006.09.28.12.18.54; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <080D7100-9C87-4D03-B7DF-DF9178372F9B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:18:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Matt Scott Subject: Re: MISC: Wiegand Mountain Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=228552549; y=k0AEpyJ-J3Tgy5hBPm46GKp_8cVHKUCv-fVaHprgevaGq-Hq6GdgGBVNOLE X-Yahoo-Profile: acousticviscosity I guess this would be a good time to make my first post since rejoining CoasterTalk after a long hiatus. I rode the one in Colorado along with Beth and several others over Labor Day weekend. It was a blast! Easily a top-ten steel coaster. Matt Scott From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Thu Sep 28 12:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82025 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2006 19:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2006 19:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.175) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2006 19:28:16 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so197452ugd for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr2134859ugm; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.18 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:18:13 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.92.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[RollerCoasterTalk]_NEWS:_D?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?isneyland_Gay_Days,_October_6=968?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=Rjj09cfDYH_ERPykQ6jP-5bJ8nsBy-Y2zjEamvDj1--HnZTgI92JYzA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > -WARNING- > ADULT CONTENT If there was adult content in there, I must have missed it...which is really too bad, because this is one of those days where I could use some adult humor. -Nate From yaytez@hotmail.com Thu Sep 28 19:26:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: yaytez@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58696 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 02:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 02:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.173) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 02:25:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 02:24:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 02:24:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:24:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.173 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.186 From: "yaytez" Subject: Re: Halloween Horror Nights Podcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283972031; y=Fn8ru66S-Zf3Hv-c7H9SH2HyXcEWvfamfEfuw9frCM2F X-Yahoo-Profile: yaytez Just to let everyone know, the podcast is now up. Make sure to listen. --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "yaytez" wrote: > > This is not an official site podcast, but it will be good. I have=20 > been doing this little podcasting thing for a few weeks now and I=20 have=20 > a HUGE HHN show coming up for any fans, or those who want to be=20 > Halloween Horror Nights fans. I wont tell you whats going to be on,=20 > but I will tell you that it will be HUGE!!! And I will have some=20 > guests. So please tune in at ioacentralradio.libsyn.com > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Thu Sep 28 22:41:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65555 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 05:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 05:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 05:37:50 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 05:37:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 05:37:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 05:37:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:37:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.203.84 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_NEWS:_Disneyland_Gay_Days,_October_6=968?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=c_l3gVihBW6OdDqSdnuMTiIHgkkBIJPuZub7-1PYGBFHHWW-T7Wc X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck > > -WARNING- > > ADULT CONTENT >=20 > If there was adult content in there, I must have missed it...which is > really too bad, because this is one of those days where I could use > some adult humor. >=20 > -Nate > How about this... "a nonprofit organization that runs a 24-hour suicide hot line for queer teens." That made me laugh. A suicide hotline that calls it's users=20 deragatory name? Doesn't sound too supportive to me. From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Fri Sep 29 03:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74098 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 10:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 10:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 10:31:10 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:7684 helo=[10.0.1.2]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GTFd5-0000yg-Km for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:30:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <563beab50e761dc55ab207fbec574787@law.wnec.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:30:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 From: Bill Childs Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_NEWS:_Disneyland_Gay_Days,_October_6=968?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=Aj2xm3KG0QqqVNfKpYp79PG_O-RQ6Gd4X8bORoj-rMBmR0x1QSbXBw X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How about this... > > "a nonprofit organization that runs a 24-hour > suicide hot line for queer teens." > > That made me laugh. A suicide hotline that calls it's users > deragatory name? Doesn't sound too supportive to me. "Queer" is generally no longer universally considered a derogatory term. For a reasonable history of its "reclaiming," see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer. Especially among activist communities, it's sometimes considered preferable. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 09:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22438 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 16:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 16:14:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 16:14:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:14:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:14:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:14:36 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF82B2D905C754D8A20EF01A7A1DD00B8D979@ASMAIL.Prod.alpha-sys.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: The Big E X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=g9mD-lUu3VsdXHL8C00dyRP6TXJptZZbLQXfP5sbg3PdBSg5Go6D X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Zucker" =20 wrote: > > Jay's report mentioned the Dave and Dania quick-change act. Another > friend of mine who also saw them at the Big E sent me this clip. It > really is amazing. I watched America's Got Talent on a pretty consistent basis this=20 summer, and yes, they really are amazing... the first time you see=20 them. Then you see them a second time, and they're exactly the same.=20 Ask for something different, like the British judge did, and they=20 come back the next week with the same exact act, except one or two=20 of the dresses were different. Eventually as the competition went=20 on, I started really hating this act, and even the "nice" judges=20 were progressively less impressed. There's no denying that what they=20 do is spectacular, but a two-minute act seems to be all they have in=20 them. And then when they got called out on it, Dave just came off as=20 an obstinant jerk, trying to pass off a new dress as an exciting=20 twist on their always-identical act. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 09:38:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6322 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 16:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 16:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 16:29:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:27:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:27:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:27:37 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Casting all creatures for Halloweekends X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=v_FhiH-w9iDwynK0t41bzySX9KuE4pzH2lw-ke71M2rIcsA X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 9/29/06 The Bowling Green News http://www.bgnews.com/media/storage/paper883/news/2006/09/29/Pulse/Cas ting.All.Creatures.For.Halloweekends-2316399.shtml? norewrite200609291217&sourcedomain=3Dwww.bgnews.com by Addie Curlis Sandusky, OH -- The 10th annual HalloWeekends at Cedar Point provides=20 students with an opportunity not only for entertainment, but for a=20 fun side job. During September and throughout October, the amusement park is=20 transformed into a spooky play land featuring roaming "Screamsters",=20 live entertainment, haunted houses, rides and entertainment for kids. Sophomore Josh Jones was asked to be a part of the HalloWeekends=20 after the man in charge saw him perform as the beast in Beauty and=20 the Beast. He is excited to be working as a live performer at CP this season=20 since it is his first taste of scaring people. Jones goes home every=20 weekend to work at the park and plans on doing it next year as=20 well. "I work as a live performer with others as part of an=20 illusion," he said. "The best part is scaring younger kids when they=20 come up with their friends and girlfriends and act like I won't be=20 able to scare them." New this fall will be Fear Faire, a new haunted walk-through=20 attraction. Located just off the Main Midway, guests will enter=20 through one of 2 castle portals and find themselves in the middle of=20 a renaissance festival filled with various street vendors. According to PR Manager Bryan Edwards, the new attraction will create=20 a scary atmosphere for guests. "We turn down the lights and fill Fear=20 Faire will a heavy, thick fog that makes it almost impossible to see=20 what's in front of you," he said. "Medieval characters lurk behind=20 every corner and in the fog, just waiting to scare unsuspecting=20 guests." Fear Faire is the 4th outdoor walk-through attractions, combining the=20 best of CarnEvil and Fright Zone. CarnEvil features spooky clowns & sideshow freaks and Fright Zone is=20 filled with fog and ominous creatures that roam around. Other forms=20 of entertainment for those who don't like being scared include live=20 music, fortune telling and magicians. On top of entertaining and scaring people, this is an easy way to=20 make some extra money for college students. According to sophomore Alexis Kollay, the application process is=20 simple. She filled out an online application and then completed a=20 phone interview. "I was asked questions regarding my acting=20 experience, my physical capabilities (they were looking for those who=20 wouldn't tire easily or become upset by being pushed around in the=20 dark walkways), my availability, and my excitement for Halloween=20 themes," she said. As Screamsters, they are to be in character at all times when in=20 front of guests. During the interview, they wanted to be sure that=20 each person was up to the acting challenge.=20 They also hoped that each Screamster enjoys Halloween and the act of=20 scaring others to make for a more interesting and exciting=20 environment for guests. According to Kollay, it was not unlikely that=20 a guest becomes so frightened that he/she hits a Screamster or=20 something of the like. After interviewing, the participants attend an orientation meeting=20 where the ground rules are learned and costumes are determined. "I=20 played the dead bride. The costume from the previous year worked well=20 with my body type. We were encouraged to develop a character for=20 ourselves based on our costumes and own creative ideas," she said. "I=20 found that my character was most frightening when silent. I was proud=20 to hear guests say that I was the 'creepiest' character. I snuck up=20 quietly behind guests and swooped out in front of them." Kollay said it was a great feeling to see a guest's eyes grow wide as=20 they scream with terror. She added that the best scares of all were=20 the ones when a guest would lose control to the point of spilling a=20 cup full of beer or wetting themselves. She said the coolest part of her costume was her face. She only wore=20 a half mask. It covered one full half of her face, leaving the other=20 side natural. "I think that guests were so afraid because there was=20 an element of reality to me. It was as if it was possible for someone=20 to look that horrible," she said. Kollay is happy to have met a lot of new people and had the great=20 experience; however, her schedule is too busy to return this=20 year. "It was a great feeling to be friends with the man with the=20 chainsaw or the demon around the corner," Kollay said.=20 ----------------- =A9 Copyright 2006 BG News From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 09:45:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90180 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 16:38:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:37:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:37:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:37:12 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Seniors enjoy day at Knoebels X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=I8igeE0qPjqEx5IXOpSJk363s2K18w7PbgruMsIwuC3Q3Co X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 29, 2006 The Standard-Journal http://www.standard-journal.com/articles/2006/09/28/news/news6.txt LEWISBURG, PA -=97 RiverWoods Senior Living Community staff and=20 volunteers recently took 7 of the Nursing Care Center residents to=20 Knoebels Amusement Park, Elysburg, for the day. The residents enjoyed their time out by watching the swans swim by=20 the covered bridge, visiting the habitat that is home to 2 injured=20 bald eagles who have lived at Knoebels for 9 years, eating ice cream=20 and other treats, shopping at the Carousel Museum and Shop, and=20 attending a bluegrass concert, "Stained Grass Window," at the=20 Grandstand. The residents taking the trip were, Helen Hemrick, Betty Carter, Joan=20 Dressler, Clara Narehood, Anna Lytle, Philip Cotner, and Martha=20 Swartzlander. Staff and volunteers present included Nancy Wise, Veda=20 King, Alecia Engle, Leslie Roush, Dawn Martina, Penny Golder, Sandy=20 Watts, and her granddaughter, Sharon. Everyone had a wonderful time, according to nursing home officials. Stacy Drum, director of therapeutic recreation, coordinated the=20 outing, along with the help of the transportation department, social=20 services other recreation staff, and the nursing department. It was=20 the first time the organization took their residents to the park. "It=20 was great to be a part of the day and see the residents enjoy=20 themselves so much," said Drum. "I think the staff had as much fun as=20 the residents did." From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 10:01:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29227 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 17:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 17:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.171) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 17:01:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:58:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:58:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:58:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:58:46 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Last Weekend for the Bloomsburg Fair X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ufpUR__VljuFjorbEfkhM2SvZfStkEj9a5OEN3DSu2pQaNY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Sep. 29, 2006 Times Leader http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/entertainment/events/15636355 .htm?source=3Drss&channel=3Dtimesleader_events Bloomsburg, Pa -- The 152nd annual agricultural event wraps up this=20 weekend with amusement rides, grandstand concerts, carnival midway,=20 livestock and horticultural exhibits, monster truck show, the Rosarie- Zoppe Chimps, Animals of Distinction, horse pulling, an exhibit by the=20 Atlantic Coast Old-Timers Auto Racing Club, dog show, demolition derby=20 and tractor & truck pulling. Today and Saturday, 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. $4. 784-4949 or=20 bloomsburgfair.com. ------- Copyright 2006 The Times Leader From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 10:03:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10089 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 16:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 16:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 16:54:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2006 16:52:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:52:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: N.J. carnival accidents are down X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ILIrOL4bPCyeohbZY6aSG4c2dTOothW-dGRDX1-mTtBWaWY X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 September 29, 2006 The Star-Ledger http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news- 4/1159507683169400.xml&coll=3D1 BY TOM HESTER Trenton, NJ -- The summer of 2006 was a safer one at New Jersey=20 amusement parks and carnivals. As amusement parks go dark and the traveling carnivals head south=20 with the end of summer, figures compiled by the state Division of=20 Codes & Standards show 3 people suffered serious injuries and 226=20 others had minor injuries this year. In 2005, 2 people died, 2 were=20 seriously injured and 382 sustained minor injuries. Nationally, at least 7 people died at amusement parks and carnivals=20 and 8 were critically in jured. As for the serious injuries in NJ -- defined as requiring hospital=20 care -- a 17-y.o. girl was grazed by a go-kart at The Funplex in=20 Mount Laurel on Sept. 15 and was treated for breathing trouble, which=20 was described as a possible panic attack. A boy, 3, slipped and injured his head while entering a ride at Fun=20 town Amusement Pier in Seaside Park on Sept. 9. The same day, a girl,=20 13, fell and injured an ankle while jumping on an inflated Moonwalk=20 ride in Bayonne that is owned by Resniek's Party Rental. At a carnival in Egg Harbor, Atlantic County, firefighters had to=20 rescue a boy who was stranded high above the ground when a rotating=20 ride stalled on June 8. The boy was not injured. State inspectors conducted 2,256 ride inspections at 194 amusement=20 parks and 130 traveling carnivals. They temporarily shut down 208=20 rides until safety viola tions were repaired and issued 51 fines=20 totaling $167,750. No figures are kept by the state or the industry on how many people=20 visited NJ amusement parks and carnivals. Kathy Fackler, president of Safeparks, a La Jolla, California-based=20 on-line guide to amusement park and carnival safety issues, describes=20 NJ's ride safety program as leading the country in many areas. "NJ=20 has stayed at the top of the pack in terms of strong consumer=20 protections," Fackler said, citing a "strong engineering- based ride=20 inspection program" and helping lead the development of industry=20 standards. NJ toughened its ride inspection efforts after a mother and her 8- y.o. daughter were ejected from a roller coaster and killed at=20 Wonderland Pier in Ocean City in 1999. Including the woman and child,=20 amusement park and carnival accidents claimed 13 lives in NJ between=20 1983 and 2002. Since then, 2 people have died. The latest national figures available=20 show between 1987 and 2004, 67 people died in amusement ride=20 accidents. The number includes NJ deaths. NJ is the only state that requires new or remodeled rides to be=20 approved by state engineers before they are constructed or returned=20 to operation. Lary I. Zucker of Cherry Hill, counsel for the NJ Amusement Ride=20 Association, said ride operators attempt to work with the state on=20 safety issues. "The common goal is to make rides in the entire=20 industry as safe as possible," he said. "As a result NJ has the=20 strictest and toughest laws and regulations in the country." State Community Affairs Commissioner Susan Bass Levin oversees the=20 Codes & Standards Division. "The DCA's strict enforcement and=20 inspection process continues to show effective results," she=20 said. "The number of injuries reported this year was down=20 significantly from the number reported last year. This drop in=20 injuries occurred despite 25 more amusement and water parks operating=20 this year compared to last year." She said the department increased inspection of electrical components=20 of rides and more strictly enforced maintenance checklists and logs=20 for both fixed parks and mobile rides. The additional interest in electrical components follows the death=20 last year of a 22-y.o. electrician who was shocked while inspecting a=20 ride at the Funtown Pier. A patron had complained of static electric=20 shock while on the ride, which was then shut down by state inspectors. 42 other states and the District of Columbia have ride safety=20 regulations, some strong, some weak. 8 states have no regulations:=20 Alabama, Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, South=20 Dakota and Utah. U.S. Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) has introduced legislation annually=20 since the mid-1990s that calls for the federal government to oversee=20 amusement ride safety, and the proposal stalls in committee every=20 year. --------- =A9 2006 The Star Ledger =A9 2006 NJ.com From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Fri Sep 29 12:57:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99502 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2006 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2006 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.225.91) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2006 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.38.95]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060929193752b11008c6n9e>; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:37:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5ce21118f46781a6cb6ff93d0b8c7f0e@law.wnec.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:37:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Originating-IP: 204.127.225.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Suher possible buyer of Mountain Park site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=ZfFi0ikgrjy8BxKnU39nb4SLfTPswyM_ZPvlfgSpK0BfwhXBUGqI_w X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Mostly of interest to Jay Ducharme and me, but possibly to others -- http://www.gazettenet.com/newsroom/index.cfm/2006/9/29/Suher-potential- buyer-of-former-Mountain-Park-Amusement-Park The guy mentioned, Eric Suher, owns most of the good music venues in Northampton, and a ton of other real estate. He is a savvy business guy. The site has been demolished (see http://childsfamily.com/park/ for pictures from a couple of years ago) and I don't think anyone thinks it would ever be a park again. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Sep 29 17:16:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85018 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2006 00:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2006 00:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2006 00:12:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2006 00:12:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2006 00:12:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:12:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <080D7100-9C87-4D03-B7DF-DF9178372F9B@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.255.216 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: Wiegand Mountain Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=JU8RirPFNLFVeP8XBBeec8RvzKTmHoxcNumYjIK1cSwceSm9iWNd X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I rode the one in Colorado along with Beth and several others over=20=20 > Labor Day weekend. It was a blast! Easily a top-ten steel coaster. < Welcome back, Matt! Can you tell us a bit more about the experience (and maybe Beth and anyone else who's ridden it)? I'm confused about the description of the lift. Is there actually a traditional lift hill? How does it begin the downhill portion? Do you turn a corner or does it go up backwards? Is there any airtime? The curves look intense, but heavily banked. Is it really a four minute downhill run? What happens at the end? Does the track just stop? Jay From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Sep 29 17:59:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40835 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2006 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2006 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.70) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2006 00:50:03 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GTT3E-0007HW-Pa for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:49:57 -0400 Message-ID: <451DBF2E.3030601@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:49:50 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d4786a166ed818d7c74786c5ea6207311aabea16d04f2bea2e56350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.70 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BRollerCoasterTalk=5D_NEWS=3A_Dis?= =?windows-1252?Q?neyland_Gay_Days=2C_October_6=968?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=bETYZ0gGLjXtJ8c3d7rh8GT7D4KZLCfC0WFi4PNYILHyP2c X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nate Kohlrusch wrote: > > > > -WARNING- > > ADULT CONTENT > > If there was adult content in there, I must have missed it...which is > really too bad, because this is one of those days where I could use > some adult humor. > You mean I don't have to keep hiding my eyes? ;) Rats. Was hoping no-one would notice that I was peeking again. To quote one of my favorite Warner Brothers cartoon quotes, "What's all the hubbub, Bud?" :) keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Sep 29 19:11:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4185 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2006 02:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2006 02:04:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.185) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2006 02:04:59 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so1190396nfc for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.8.15 with SMTP id l15mr2499979nfi; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.34.5 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30609291902u32d3a22do2757b891e8b1bb8f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:02:57 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <080D7100-9C87-4D03-B7DF-DF9178372F9B@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Wiegand Mountain Coaster X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=9TQtdb8On4-lRsnbLkHv7bvwH6f4WFT41ZvO6q3N6rPnwwYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons the station has a conveyer to advance the cars, they have an employee spotting the start and once given the go-ahead, you release the brake on the car and it coasts around the corner and down the first drop. None of the drops are severe, but there are some small bunny hills that really deliver some crazy air and make it difficult to hold the brake full out. There is an employee at the bottom of the run who monitors the lift and the slowdown zone before the lift. The lift is similar to a tow rope, and it takes a while to ride it back up to the station. On 9/29/06, jay_ducharme wrote: > > I rode the one in Colorado along with Beth and several others over > > Labor Day weekend. It was a blast! Easily a top-ten steel coaster. < > > Welcome back, Matt! Can you tell us a bit more about the experience > (and maybe Beth and anyone else who's ridden it)? I'm confused about > the description of the lift. Is there actually a traditional lift > hill? How does it begin the downhill portion? Do you turn a corner > or does it go up backwards? Is there any airtime? The curves look > intense, but heavily banked. Is it really a four minute downhill run? > What happens at the end? Does the track just stop? > > Jay > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sat Sep 30 17:45:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98709 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2006 00:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2006 00:39:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2006 00:39:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 00:34:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2006 00:34:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:34:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5ce21118f46781a6cb6ff93d0b8c7f0e@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.73.160.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.224.61 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Suher possible buyer of Mountain Park site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=TeNQFe0aKDCd0C50P4xkFwaEanQ2fZrVErF1CFvfUc5R6_edAn6i X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Bill's link requires a subscription, but this one is free: > http://www.masslive.com/chicopeeholyoke/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-5/1= 159604350117140.xml&coll=3D1 < Jay Collins is now 84, which is hard for me to believe (or accept).=20 He probably thought he was never going to sell the land after the casino options expired. It's a difficult piece of property: it abuts a reservoir and is on steep rocky ground. There little that can be done with it besides recreation, and even then it would take an enormous amount of money to do anything. About a month ago, a college student from central Massachusetts wrote to me. She saw my website's Mt. Park section and got it into her head that she was going to buy the land and rebuild the park. She asked me what I thought that would take. When I said, "probably close to $50 million," she apparently dropped the idea. She hasn't contacted me since. Suher is one of the few people in the area who could make a go of it. As Bill said, he's quite shrewd. The rumor right now is a concert venue, but heck -- the guy's got three already nearby. Does he really need another one? He's going to start competing with himself. I haven't a clue what he might do with the land. He might even just sit with it for a while. It's certainly one of the nicest pieces of recreational real estate in the Valley. So this closes the book on Mountain Park. A new era is beginning. As you might expect, it's a bittersweet feeling for me. I too had always held out a hope that the park would one day rise from the ashes. Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 02 09:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42515 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:33:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:33:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:33:18 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water Park Resort Gets Key Zoning Approval X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ldgT0QFJR-zS9O6VQDHtb8DGh0CoqDGXXslQlGOhhHs2X70 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 29 September 2006 The Providence Journal RedOrbit.com http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/675495/water_park_resort_gets_key _zoning_approval/index.html?source=3Dr_science By TALIA BUFORD WEST WARWICK - The prospective developer of a $100-million indoor=20 water park and resort in the town's business park won a second key=20 approval for the project this week. The Zoning Board of Review, on Wednesday, unanimously granted Dial=20 Family Resorts a special-use permit that was needed to build a hotel=20 on the site. Earlier this month, the Planning Board voted master-plan=20 approval for the venture that DFR, based in Nebraska, has dubbed=20 Shipwreck Falls. Now that the zoning board has acted, the project will return to the=20 Planning Board for a series of further approvals. That probably will=20 not happen for several months, according to Elaine Mansour, the=20 town's block-grant manager, who is familiar with the procedure. "In=20 order to come for preliminary approval, DFR has to have their=20 drainage and engineering worked out," Mansour said. "It's quite a=20 process for a project of this size." As described by DFR, the indoor park would include 9 water slides, a=20 wave pool, a tubing ride and a "lazy river" for floating, as well as=20 forts with spray guns, fountains and other attractions. An outdoor=20 pool and large deck area would be open in the summers. Surrounding this would be 347 hotel rooms, 28,000 sq-ft of convention=20 space, a restaurant, family dinner theater, spa and fitness center,=20 according to Michael Day, the president of DFR. In issuing the special-use permit, the zoning board imposed=20 stipulations including a requirement that any above-ground retention=20 pools or basins be surrounded by fencing, that evergreens be planted=20 as a buffer between the complex and an adjoining neighborhood, and=20 that there be no deterioration in water service to nearby households. Day estimates the resort would need about 120,000 gallons of water=20 per day. Shipwreck Falls would be built less than a mile from the site of=20 Harrah's Entertainment's proposed casino in the business park. Under=20 a 1999 ordinance, the water park site could not be used for gambling=20 or for access to a gambling venue. The company hopes to begin construction by the spring and complete=20 the park by the spring of 2009. -------- (c) 2006 Providence Journal. =A9 2002-2006 redOrbit.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 02 09:43:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25309 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.182) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:40:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:40:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:40:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:40:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Water play park & amphitheater at Woodward? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Ci3rceFx-j95ZLtGl2qFOivV3N0n_cSONttxCsRGm-gUE9k X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 1, 2006 The Manteca Bulletin http://www.mantecabulletin.com/articles/2006/10/01/news/news2.txt By Dennis Wyatt Woodward Park, CA -- The giggling is infectious as a boy of perhaps 5=20 repeatedly pushes the big button atop a pseudo fire hydrant. In an instant, the water comes on. Kids are manning a pair of massive=20 colorful steel water cannons that are swivel mounted a bid to squirt=20 each other. Other kids laugh as they race through a spiral tunnel as=20 they're drenched with numerous water sprays. Nearby, a boy lays on the ground beneath one of 4 fellow buckets=20 suspended above while other kids gather standing up near the others,=20 When the bucket fills, it tips sending a cooling slosh of water down=20 on the youths. Those less inclined for madcap adventure are nearby playing with an=20 interactive fountains of water much like the ones in Mistlin Sports=20 Park in Ripon. You can see such antics at water play parks in valley cities such as=20 Turlock. And if the Manteca Parks & Recreation Commission recommendations=20 hold, it may not be too many years before you see such a water play=20 park installed at Woodward Park. The water park is just one of a number of items the public has told=20 the commission they'd like to see at Woodward Park in surveys=20 completed over the summer. The City Council will consider authorizing the commission to have a=20 preliminary revision of the Woodward Park Master Plan prepared for=20 public hearings and required modifications to the park plan. The commission believes the highest priorities for funding in the=20 budget year starting July 1, 2007 should be completion of the=20 perimeter walkways and jogging paths, the water play park, and=20 installation of a group picnic shade shelter. The surveys also revealed those responding would like to see the=20 massive storm retention basin on the western portion of the 52-acre=20 park include an amphitheater and sports fields. The commission proposes placing an amphitheater in the basin with a=20 large grass area for seating. There would also be a sports field=20 large enough for regulation baseball and regulation soccer. There=20 would be a second sports field large enough for regulation soccer. The City Council has already committed bonus bucks from Tesero to pay=20 for sports lighting for the storm retention basin. The commission would like a hub placed above the storm basin water=20 line to accommodate a restroom and snack bar. In addition the basin may also contain an open stage for smaller=20 performances or theatrical productions. The initial proposal calls for a dog park on the northeast corner of=20 the park along Woodward Avenue and Bridewell Drive. The water play park is envisioned northwest of the basketball courts=20 and due west of the large play structure where originally volleyball=20 courts were planed. Bocce ball courts are proposed where handball courts once were=20 envisioned. Horseshoes would be added on the retention basin's edge between the 2=20 playground areas. --------- =A9 2004 Manteca Bulletin From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 02 10:03:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12860 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 16:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 16:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.184) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 16:51:54 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:51:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:51:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 16:51:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:51:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park complex millions from completion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=wrEtgt2v22WMN8HLHjyzcTOeo6Nz0U0d4zzLE1nUr6_X_zM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct. 02, 2006 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution http://www.ajc.com/services/content/business/stories/2006/10/02/1002me tcurve.html?cxtype=3Drss&cxsvc=3D7&cxcat=3D6 by Charles Yoo Lithonia, GA -- Developers have begun clearing land for the Grand=20 Empire at Fun World, a huge amusement park complex proposed for south=20 DeKalb County. But they still have a long way to go before the=20 project becomes reality. Workers have started clearing trees and underbrush from the 31-acre=20 site on Hillandale Drive off I-20 near the Mall at Stonecrest. The developers, Top Flight Development Group, say they are trying to=20 secure funds to build their planned $675 million hotel/water=20 park/condo complex. But TFDG is still in bankruptcy after defaulting on a $6.3 million=20 loan to buy the site. They must pay back $500,000 of the debt by Jan.=20 1. An attorney representing TFDG said no date has been set to begin=20 construction on the project. "They are clearing [the site] right now=20 and getting that out of the way," David Miller said. TFDG officials say the bankruptcy involves another company, Palazzo=20 di Stonecrest LLC, formed by the same developers, that defaulted on a=20 loan from Arizona-based Lithonia Commercial Lender. After 3 payments on the loan, the lender said, the developers stopped=20 paying. The developers filed for bankruptcy in March. TFDG now must pay about $68,000 a month from February 2007 until Jan.=20 1, 2008, when the full amount =97 $6.93 million, including interest =97=20 is due. TFDG say they also are looking for assistance from the Development=20 Authority of DeKalb County. Last spring, TFDG officials asked the development authority for "a=20 letter of inducement," which the company said its prospective lenders=20 requested. The development authority agreed, offering to help TFDGt get $400=20 million in general revenue bonds =97 but only after TFDG raises the=20 entire sum of the bond. The bonds offer businesses graduated property tax savings and=20 possibly lower interest rates. "Things are looking good right now,"=20 Miller said. ------- =A9 2006 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution From aelk2004@yahoo.com Mon Oct 02 10:07:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66304 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2006 17:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2006 17:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.191) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2006 17:06:31 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n24.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 17:06:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 17:06:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2006 17:06:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:06:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Just Add a Water Park, and Watch Revenue Climb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=VTgnkHgDHYGEq2bMrhm8ZB44lcQN3UtY6_W_gczJQvaPDF8 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 1, 2006 The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/realestate/commercial/01sqft.html? ref=3Dbusiness By ALISON GREGOR Some of the hotel industry's most sought-after guests don't carry=20 credit cards; in fact, they don't even have jobs. And when it comes=20 to dining, their tastes can be somewhat capricious.=20 These valued customers are children, and in recent years, some hotel=20 companies have been developing more family-oriented destination=20 resorts to attract these pint-sized travelers. Even leisure hotels=20 that have not opened full resorts =97 from Loews to Travelodge to=20 Howard Johnson =97 have been adding more elaborate child-friendly=20 amenities.=20 "The major brands have kid programs, such as Camp Hyatt and Ritz=20 Kids, but never was there such a focus on the development of hotel=20 real estate specifically designed for the kids," said Nolan E. Hecht,=20 director of the hospitality group at Cushman & Wakefield, the=20 brokerage firm. One of the largest projects is the Nickelodeon Family Suites by=20 Holiday Inn in Orlando, FL, which opened in May 2005 with 2 swimming=20 pools, 13 water slides, a "kids' spa" and cartoon-themed rooms with=20 child-sized furniture. Originally a Holiday Inn tailored to children, the building was=20 bought by Miller Global Properties, a developer based in Denver; it=20 undertook a $20 million conversion and licensed the name of=20 Nickelodeon, the children's cable television channel. The hotel's 777=20 rooms, all "family style" with a separate bedroom for children, cost=20 $169 to $600 a night. "Our occupancy at the end of this year will be 80%," said Anthony=20 Melchiorri, the hotel's manager and a managing director at MGP. He=20 says the hotel has become a "destination location." MGP, which has developed or acquired around 65 office buildings and=20 hotels worldwide, is in the final design phases for a 2nd hotel under=20 the Nickelodeon brand, in San Diego. The hotel is expected to cost=20 about $200 million to build. The company is also seeking sites for future Nickelodeon resorts in=20 Hawaii, New York City and Europe, Melchiorri said, adding that it had=20 submitted a bid to redevelop part of Governors Island in New York as=20 a Nickelodeon resort. Last year, Great Wolf Resorts, in Madison, WI, opened Great Wolf=20 Lodge Poconos in PA, bringing to 8 the number of water park resorts=20 it runs in the U.S. and Canada. The company plans to develop 3 more=20 resorts by 2008. The resorts =97 from 270-400 units and organized around elaborate=20 indoor water parks of 34,000-82,000 sq-ft =97 typically cost more than=20 $100 million to build. John Emery, CEO of Great Wolf Resorts, says the returns are=20 warranting that sizable investment. "About a third of what people=20 spend is outside of what they paid for the room," Mr. Emery said. About 30-35% of the company's revenue, he said, comes from sales of=20 food, beverages and merchandise; in-hotel entertainment; game rooms;=20 spas and other attractions. Suites, which can sleep 6 and cost $169=20 to $699 a night, include the use of the water park. The average daily rate is $205.91, and revenue per available room =97 a=20 measure typically calculated by multiplying a hotel's average daily=20 room rate by its occupancy rate =97 is $133.71; both figures are about=20 double the national figures. Those attractive returns are spurring more hotels to develop water=20 parks. About 200 or so projects have been proposed or are under way=20 nationwide, including several at Holiday Inn and Best Western hotels,=20 according to David J. Sangree, president of Hotel & Leisure Advisors,=20 a consulting company in Cleveland that specializes in water park=20 resorts. "What these water parks are showing is there is a real=20 market for families and children," Sangree said. "Children are the=20 ones driving their parents to these facilities, because parents=20 themselves wouldn't go." Travelodge was the first chain to go nationwide with the idea of=20 rooms designed for children, with its Sleepy Bear Den Rooms, in 1997.=20 The rooms, with miniature furniture and Sleepy Bear d=E9cor, have been=20 popular, especially in leisure markets like Orlando and Anaheim, CA.,=20 said Joe Maddux, director of operations at the Westmont Hospitality=20 Group, which has 540 hotels under 13 different brands worldwide. In the continuing struggle to differentiate the brand, "in leisure=20 markets, you're starting to see themed hotels, rather than hotels=20 with just themed rooms," he said. Even some more-traditional hotels are trying to tap into that family=20 market, especially on weekends. The Sheraton Orlando North in=20 Maitland, FL, was upgraded and reopened in August with the addition=20 of pool-area water features like jets, fountains and hot tubs. There=20 is also a game room, a big picnic area and family suites. "The plan=20 is to entice the business traveler to come in earlier or stay later=20 and bring their families," said Anita Blackwelder, sales and=20 marketing director for the Paramount Hotel Group, which runs the=20 hotel. "Families use more services in the hotel, so there's more restaurant,=20 bar and services revenue," she said. A hotel chain can add child-friendly amenities to a facility,=20 including water features in the pool area, family suites and a game=20 room, for as little as $2 million, according to Kenneth P. Balin, the=20 president and CEO of AMC Delancey, a private real estate investment=20 firm in Philadelphia that owns the Sheraton Orlando North. His=20 company is doing a similar upgrade with children's amenities at the=20 Holiday Inn Select Naperville near Chicago. But such an investment won't pay off if extra services are not=20 offered as well, he added; those could mean anything from baby- sitting to a special menu for children. "When a family of 4 is=20 staying at your hotel, you have 4 opportunities to either make things=20 right or 4 opportunities to get things wrong," Balin said. "If one=20 kid whines the whole time, it ruins it for everyone. You have to be=20 able to please them all." That includes parents and older children. The Nickelodeon hotel, for=20 example, is adding events for teenagers, and the San Diego resort=20 will have a spa for the entire family. The Great Wolf Lodges, meanwhile, offer Aveda spas. The water parks=20 also have features big enough for adults to enjoy, so "Dad doesn't=20 feel like he invaded McDonald's Playland," Mr. Emery said. Great Wolf also handles business groups of up to 250 people during=20 the school year and is adding conference space to its lodges. Its=20 newest facility, in Mason, OH, will open in December with a 40,000-sq- ft conference center. The Nickelodeon hotel under construction in San Diego will have a=20 separate wing for business meetings and conferences, too. "If you=20 want to have a business meeting," Melchiorri said, "you won't even=20 know you're in a Nick hotel." --------- Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Oct 03 17:28:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15807 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 00:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 00:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.161) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 00:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 00:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 00:27:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 00:27:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:27:14 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.247 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park complex millions from completion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=iknQoX989IOrcqAq0BKAjv_dbrPy5gnzPWsSbWv5pHwhaoAKmtja X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > Workers have started clearing trees and underbrush from the 31-acre=20 site on Hillandale Drive off I-20 near the Mall at Stonecrest. [snip] But TFDG is still in bankruptcy after defaulting on a $6.3 million=20 loan to buy the site. < Okay...someone explain to me how these companies that are bankrupt can somehow have resources to keep plugging along, spending tons of money. Clearing land isn't cheap. I've never understood that. So they couldn't pay for the site they bought, but now they're allowed to clear it? What the heck kind of government do they have in Stonecrest to allow this? Maybe the selectmen wanted the site cleared, and are letting this dying venture do it for them. Capitalism never ceases to amaze me.... Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Oct 03 17:34:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53603 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 00:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 00:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 00:32:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 00:31:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 00:31:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:31:38 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.245.247 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Just Add a Water Park, and Watch Revenue Climb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=WLh9g5nxvI1iwVRtI0PMfcDBKrVwcN52-Jj35IiBYoub5dfXym7V X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > "Our occupancy at the end of this year will be 80%," [snip] The average daily rate is $205.91 < Wow. I guess these places are a good investment after all. Where the heck are families getting the money to spend there? I'm slowly realizing that most people in this country must be far wealthier than I can ever hope to be. I could never justify spending $200 a night on a hotel room, water park or not. Jay From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Tue Oct 03 19:04:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74924 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 01:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 01:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.158) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 01:59:52 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 01:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 01:59:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 01:59:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:59:44 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.203.84 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: height requirements for Phoenix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=NcS8nc425FdxF6yxC10A9DW_IbZfVzLWGuGsPaIEgVAMN5Onal4Z X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck Anyone know what they are? Can't find them listed on the website but=20 maybe one of you with kids knows. Thinking of bringing William to his=20 first tool event, but only if he can ride the Phoenix. He's 40=20 inches. I can always call tomorrow I guess. AFLAC!!! -Brian F. From ranch_inc@yahoo.com Wed Oct 04 08:12:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: ranch_inc@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43667 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 15:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 15:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.198) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 15:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n7.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 15:11:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 15:11:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 15:11:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:11:24 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 165.225.194.10 From: "ranch_inc" Subject: Re: height requirements for Phoenix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=253780364; y=wwZYFtkGwgcC2wIcaMuDI03tV72WszFzJGI2NIHbjRZQiYT1 X-Yahoo-Profile: ranch_inc --I visited Knoebels this summer and my 46" son rode. I=20 think the restriction is 42" Dale - In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "tommytheduck"=20 wrote: > > Anyone know what they are? Can't find them listed on the website but=20 > maybe one of you with kids knows. Thinking of bringing William to=20 his=20 > first tool event, but only if he can ride the Phoenix. He's 40=20 > inches. I can always call tomorrow I guess. >=20 > AFLAC!!! >=20 > -Brian F. > From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Oct 04 08:23:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15874 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 15:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 15:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 15:21:07 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.4a6.ae3c6b7 (60453) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by ciaaol-r02.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR022-ec254523d14d224; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:20:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:20:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4523D151.5020503@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] height requirements for Phoenix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=s0sDM69U2bkO1nyKjXo2VyKjxWWx-Q0oXaq8SIoT0bxUsoy6sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo tommytheduck wrote on 10/3/2006, 9:59 PM: > Anyone know what they are? Can't find them listed on the website but > maybe one of you with kids knows. Thinking of bringing William to his > first tool event, but only if he can ride the Phoenix. He's 40 > inches. I can always call tomorrow I guess. > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. The requirment for Phoenix and Twister is 42". It is also 42" for HSTC with an adult, and 46" without. I don't know just how well enforced it is, but I would not take any chances. I personally think these height requirments are too short. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Rick '06 www.ricksantorum.com The insensitivity rolls on... From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 04 09:27:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19163 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 16:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 16:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 16:26:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 16:26:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:25:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: NEWS: Amusement park complex millions from completion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=s66DFKcNAwHaU-f4M2rD-EUMEGY71YMZrkXvh35RHgLiwfk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Depending upon what Chapter they file under, they may have enough money=20 to do the work, just not enough to pay the bills. The company then=20 usually has to come up with some kind of plan to correct their=20 financial situation. But your right, "Capitalism never ceases to amaze me...." -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "jay_ducharme"=20 wrote: > > > Workers have started clearing trees and underbrush from the 31-acre=20 > site on Hillandale Drive off I-20 near the Mall at Stonecrest. [snip] > But TFDG is still in bankruptcy after defaulting on a $6.3 million=20 > loan to buy the site. < >=20 > Okay...someone explain to me how these companies that are bankrupt can > somehow have resources to keep plugging along, spending tons of money. > Clearing land isn't cheap. I've never understood that. So they > couldn't pay for the site they bought, but now they're allowed to > clear it? What the heck kind of government do they have in Stonecrest > to allow this? Maybe the selectmen wanted the site cleared, and are > letting this dying venture do it for them. Capitalism never ceases to > amaze me.... > Jay From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 04 09:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83326 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 16:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 16:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 16:34:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 16:34:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 16:34:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:34:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Amusement park annexation halted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=ZTmNdktUsHN5o2qLSNxTUCt_pzqEEHmW15jZA_oK_gqywGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 4, 2006 The Frederick News-Post http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display_breakingDaily.h tm?storyid=3D556 By Clifford G. Cumber FREDERICK, VA -- Plans to annex an amusement park into the Town of=20 New Market came to a stop today with opposition from the Frederick=20 County Commissioners. New Market had proposed that the 24-acre location of Adventure Park=20 U.S.A. be brought into town limits as a potential tax windfall. The=20 site is south of I-70. The plan was shot down by the county Planning Commission in=20 September, which found that the proposed land use was inconsistent=20 with the county's planning maps for the area. New Market planned to=20 create an amusement park zoning for the land. Commissioners upheld the Planning Commission's decision at this=20 morning's meeting and because of the law governing annexations, it=20 will be 5 years before New Market's mayor and town council can rezone=20 the property and try to annex again. Commissioners declined 4-1 to waive the property's inconsistency with=20 county zoning. Commissioner John L. Thompson Jr. dissented. The=20 county had not been asked to step in to the matter, but had chosen to=20 interfere, he said. ------ Copyright 1997-06 Randall Family, LLC. From aelk2004@yahoo.com Wed Oct 04 09:48:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15757 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 16:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 16:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 16:48:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 16:45:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2006 16:45:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:44:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: N. Naples King Richards park a royal treat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bBw9GHTkSj41utkWcF6IJOfmj1sHdcL99tJPIUan1Khtgx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 03, 2006 The News-Press http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=3D/20061003/ENT21/61003045/1115/NEWS0119 By Andrea Stetson Naples, FL -- Imagine having your own amusement park. There would be=20 no lines, and never a wait to get on rides. Park attendants would=20 outnumber guests and would be there to escort and assist guests=20 through each attraction. Well all that can easily happen to anyone in Southwest Florida. It=20 doesn't take fame or fortune. All it takes is good timing. At King Richards there are never any lines during the weekdays and=20 rarely lines on the weekends, so guests can enjoy all the fun without=20 the wait. The attraction in North Naples looks like a giant castle from the=20 outside, but on the inside it's just pure games and fun. Inside the castle a giant rock wall towers in the middle of the room.=20 It's one of the few places with an indoor rock wall where people can=20 climb in the comfort of air conditioning. Surrounding the rock wall are dozens of video games, Skee-Ball and=20 air hockey. There's also the very popular laser runner, an indoor laser tag game. But it's the backyard of this castle that boasts the most popular=20 attraction: the go-karts. There are carts for kids and adults of every size. For tiny tots there are the small, slower carts that move around a=20 tiny track. For bigger kids there are the medium go-karts that go on=20 a single oval track, and for teens and adults the main go-kart track=20 is full of twists and turns and runs along the side of the entire=20 attraction. The outside area is also where all the rides are. These aren't the=20 big Disney type rides, but there's enough there to keep most kids=20 entertained. There's a mini roller coaster, merry-go-round, drop=20 ride, spinning ride, bumper boats and more. There's also mini golf=20 and batting cages. "The go-karts are my favorite and I like the=20 bungee jump," said Jose Manuel Rodriguez, 11, after racing around the=20 track. "I like the go-karts too and I like the roller coaster," added his=20 brother Gustavo Rodriguez, 10. Sierra Rice, 12, said she likes the variety of things to do at the=20 park. "I like the rides and I like to play the games and I like the=20 racing," Sierra said. Ron Anderson, the park's GM, said the go-karts are the most popular=20 ride there, followed by laser tag and the batting cages. Guests can pay by the individual ride or buy an armband for unlimited=20 rides. "Most people buy the armband. It's the best value," Anderson=20 said. Now no castle would be complete without a moat, and King Richards has=20 one of those too. But this isn't one of those medieval moats that=20 enemies want to stay away from. Instead this moat invites guests to=20 splash on in and have some fun. The moat, open only on weekends, is=20 called Merlin's moat and it's full of little slides, shooting water,=20 sprinklers and things to climb, all in water that ranges from ankle-=20 to knee-deep. Rumors of closing greatly exaggerated There's not many people going to King Richards amusement park in=20 North Naples. That's because a lot of people think it's closed. Last summer Toll Brothers, a national luxury homebuilder, submitted=20 plans to Collier County to build 133 townhouses and condos there.=20 Toll Brothers was planning to purchase the 12- acre property if=20 zoning for its development was approved. But in September the deal was called off. So King Richards won't=20 close after all. But Anderson said publicity about the sale meant=20 many people thought they were closing. In past years the park was always closed Mondays, this year Anderson=20 said it's open because he's afraid if people see it closed Mondays=20 they might think it's gone for good. "We made the decision to stay=20 open Mondays this year because we don't want to lead anyone astray,"=20 Anderson said. "People ask every day when we are closing." Then there's the new Sun-N-Fun Lagoon water park that's taking away=20 some of King Richard's customers. "The water park and the news of us=20 closing, those things together put a hurt on us," Anderson said. "We=20 knew the (water) park would hurt because every kid wants to go to the=20 water park." Anderson hopes once the weather gets cooler some of the water park=20 customers will head back to King Richards. The park is offering a family night on Tuesdays to lure people back.=20 For $59.95 a family of 4 can have a pizza and soda and unlimited=20 rides. But even that's not getting the crowds. This past week no one=20 showed up for the special. Last week they had only 5 families. "We're=20 really slow," Anderson said. "That's the way it's been since back in=20 July. So we're still losing money." But that doesn't mean a closing is in sight. "We're still here. I=20 still have a job," Anderson said. He said he knows of no plans right now to sell the property and there=20 are no plans to close. That makes the few customers at King Richards=20 very happy. Gretchen Rice held her son Ian's 6th birthday party at the park this=20 week. "When I pulled up today I commented that nobody's here," Rice=20 said about how empty the park was even on a Saturday afternoon. She liked that the children could go from ride to ride without any=20 wait. And she was thrilled to hear that even with the lack of crowds,=20 the park is staying put. "It's a fun thing for the kids to do and=20 there's not a lot of other things to do in Naples," Rice said. Ian said he loves the rides while his sister Sierra, 12, said she=20 likes the rides and the indoor games. Olivia Leamer, 11, just heard this week that the park wasn't being=20 sold and was very happy about that. "It was the first amusement park=20 I'd ever been to," she said. "I have 1,675 tickets," she added about=20 the tickets she's won for playing games. "I like the go carts and the=20 rides and the games. I basically like everything." Her father Joel Leamer was also pleased to hear King Richards is=20 sticking around. "Naples needs something for the kids," he said. -------- Copyright 2006, The News-Press From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 04 13:22:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44593 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 20:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 20:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 20:20:22 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k94KK8tX007460 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007101c6e7f2$80a18a10$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:20:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: Form 8-K for SIX FLAGS INC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=S-adAk3fruljdmvamB1qOvwdRlQofhGCCyfFyRnyZeCwKZAJlNnq X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see how much of an uproar this causes amongst investors..... Form 8-K for SIX FLAGS INC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2-Oct-2006 Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement, Financial Statements and Exhibits Item 1.01 Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement. On September 26, 2006, Six Flags, Inc. (the "Company") entered into an employment agreement (the "Agreement") with Mark Shapiro, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Company. The Agreement will terminate on December 31, 2009, subject to Mr. Shapiro's right to extend the Agreement for two one-year periods and subject further to earlier termination in accordance with the Agreement. The Agreement incorporates the compensation terms previously disclosed by the Company on the Form 8-K filed on January 23, 2006, which terms are incorporated herein by reference, except as described below. In addition to such terms, the Agreement provides that Mr. Shapiro will receive a base salary of $1.3 million commencing on January 1, 2007. The Agreement also provides that (i) Mr. Shapiro will have a target bonus of $1.3 million rather than $1.0 million as previously disclosed; (ii) a maximum bonus set at $2.6 million rather than 200% of base salary as previously disclosed and (iii) 50% of the restricted shares granted to Mr. Shapiro will vest on each of the third and fourth anniversaries of the date of grant rather than 100% on the third anniversary of the date of grant as previously disclosed. The rest of it attached as a link: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/061002/six8-k.html My two cents: I have been sitting on the sidelines watching Shapiro and Company. I am not impressed with him or his business practices at all. As Lance wrote on www.screamscape.com when this news broke, "let's see how many investors like this one". The guy does not know how to run a theme park company, but yet he's rewarded..... Rewarded for what??? The guy did nothing in my eyes this year that made a real contribution to the success or SFI. Joe Tampa, Fla. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 04 13:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91152 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 20:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 20:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.132) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 20:26:36 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k94KQW9v000841 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007e01c6e7f3$6593ebe0$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:26:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.132 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: NEWS: SFI STOCK - HOLD/DANGEROUS RISK RATING EFF 10/4/06 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=Udj3vT92-C3vET35n_fVxDQFxdU8cHdihelQX4_PRetxPUy9uC32 X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://reports.finance.yahoo.com/w0?r=37519913:1 Joe Tampa, Fla. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 04 13:39:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49894 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2006 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2006 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.136) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2006 20:32:36 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k94KViMQ016562 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008501c6e7f4$1f463890$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:31:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: LOOK AT WHO ARE MAJOR HOLDERS OF SIX FLAGS, INC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=ejNpx8WeiPR-oH2V4LWkh5YmqthJjcW9FslGuCZNjdhokgRnKlGP X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MAJOR DIRECT HOLDERS (FORMS 3 & 4) Holder Shares Reported RED ZONE LLC 11,421,300 23-Jun-06 JANA PARTNERS LLC 10,408,100 17-Apr-06 BURKE KIERAN E 745,922 13-Dec-05 DANNHAUSER JAMES F 499,545 2-Jan-06 SHAPIRO MARK S 284,485 28-Jun-06 To see the entire page, click this: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=SIX Joe Tampa, Fla. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Cyclonic07@aol.com Wed Oct 04 20:47:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30326 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 03:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 03:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 03:38:53 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.bbd.5b75e49 (60452) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by ciaaol-r02.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR021-ec2445247dd6279; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:36:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:36:58 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008501c6e7f4$1f463890$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> Message-ID: <45247DDA.2040705@aol.com> References: <008501c6e7f4$1f463890$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: LOOK AT WHO ARE MAJOR HOLDERS OF SIX FLAGS, INC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=wmOp4WvhMpDQIMikVGTpRJGj5ighcnlLIEQB038EVYk0V24luA X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo THUNDER7NYFL wrote on 10/4/2006, 4:31 PM: > MAJOR DIRECT HOLDERS (FORMS 3 & 4) > > Holder Shares Reported > RED ZONE LLC 11,421,300 23-Jun-06 > JANA PARTNERS LLC 10,408,100 17-Apr-06 > BURKE KIERAN E 745,922 13-Dec-05 > DANNHAUSER JAMES F 499,545 2-Jan-06 > SHAPIRO MARK S 284,485 28-Jun-06 > > To see the entire page, click this: > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=SIX > > Joe > Tampa, Fla. First off, what is with all the shouting? Jeez, keyboards have two "Shift" keys, learn to use them already. Secondly, is it my imagination, or is it bash Six Flags day. Who the F#$% cares who the major shareholders are? How does that add anything to any discussion? -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Rick '06 www.ricksantorum.com The insensitivity rolls on... From munkye1972@yahoo.com Thu Oct 05 05:54:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42820 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 12:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 12:53:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.162) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 12:53:24 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n19.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 12:51:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 12:51:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 12:51:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:51:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45247DDA.2040705@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 165.76.85.12 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: LOOK AT WHO ARE MAJOR HOLDERS OF SIX FLAGS, INC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Fkswruh2oRLF1xDQS6sxfZME2L-nRg7KUk91UqpM7IkDLmvkMg X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Brown"=20 wrote: > Secondly, is it my imagination, or is it bash Six Flags day. Who the=20 > F#$% cares who the major shareholders are? How does that add=20 anything=20 > to any discussion? > --=20 > Nathan Brown I thought every day was bash Six Flags Day. :) Agreed, I didn't care who owns a piece of Six Flags, although I own a=20 piece, too. (Yup! One whole share of penny stock Six Flags!) Chris B From Cyclonic07@aol.com Thu Oct 05 06:07:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Cyclonic07@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74852 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 13:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 13:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 13:02:57 -0000 Received: from Cyclonic07@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.326.ce78acf (60454) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HAL-5000.hsd1.pa.comcast.net. (c-68-83-171-237.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [68.83.171.237]) by ciaaol-r02.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR023-ec264524ff61352; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:49:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:49:42 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4524FF66.8040507@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030919.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 68.83.171.237 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nathan Brown" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Amusement park annexation halted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169705679; y=D3pWk0ISKNcX6Qn9yJOdzfysSL4ehOtF5jK_8KiaZqevqWsHFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: black7.geo Alan wrote on 10/4/2006, 12:34 PM: > FREDERICK, VA -- Plans to annex an amusement park into the Town of > New Market came to a stop today with opposition from the Frederick > County Commissioners. > > New Market had proposed that the 24-acre location of Adventure Park > U.S.A. be brought into town limits as a potential tax windfall. The > site is south of I-70. > > The plan was shot down by the county Planning Commission in > September, which found that the proposed land use was inconsistent > with the county's planning maps for the area. New Market planned to > create an amusement park zoning for the land. > > Commissioners upheld the Planning Commission's decision at this > morning's meeting and because of the law governing annexations, it > will be 5 years before New Market's mayor and town council can rezone > the property and try to annex again. > > Commissioners declined 4-1 to waive the property's inconsistency with > county zoning. Commissioner John L. Thompson Jr. dissented. The > county had not been asked to step in to the matter, but had chosen to > interfere, he said. This is interesting. I wonder if this annexation plan has anything to do with the coaster? It is too bad the author did not interview the park owner, I am wondering if this is something he wanted because the county will not let him open the coaster, saying it lacks building permits despite it being a portable ride and not needing the permits. -- Nathan Brown AKA Cyclonic Penncoasters.com Rick '06 www.ricksantorum.com The insensitivity rolls on... From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Oct 05 06:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38587 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 13:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 13:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 13:47:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 4993 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2006 13:45:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20061005134559.4991.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.240.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:45:58 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Just Add a Water Park, and Watch Revenue Climb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=JHHkZeuqsyheD8a7iG5AhnMCHhokv9fI0HwqymmFtj8dsq59 X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- jay_ducharme wrote: > > "Our occupancy at the end of this year will be > 80%," [snip] The > average daily rate is $205.91 < > > Wow. I guess these places are a good investment > after all. Where the > heck are families getting the money to spend there? > I'm slowly > realizing that most people in this country must be > far wealthier than > I can ever hope to be. I could never justify > spending $200 a night on > a hotel room, water park or not. Could it be that you're just cheap? I dont mean that to come off as smart alecky as it sounds, but maybe the price seems high due to your own frugality. For example, my Mom never had much trouble with spending bucks on our vacations, but she still doesnt believe in spending more than $20 on a pair of sneakers. We all have our limits on what we will spend and on what items. A $200/night hotel room may be pricey to you, but I really dont have much of a problem with it. I've actually spent about that much before...at a place without a waterpark. Seriously, the onsite Universal hotels are about that much (and worth every penny IMO...TR forthcoming?). However, I dont believe in spending more than about $20 for a bottle of wine ($30 if it's port). But there are those who buy Dom P and Cristal (sp?) like water. Similarly, I wouldnt think of buying a Lexus when a Toyota is just as good. I'm sure there are things that you like to splurge on that other would find extravagant. But then again, our househole income puts us right at the threshold for the top 5% in the USA so maybe I'm just an over wealthy assh0le. =] lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gregleg@gregleg.com Thu Oct 05 07:15:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gregleg@gregleg.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26829 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 14:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 14:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO atlas.jtan.com) (207.106.84.159) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 14:09:21 -0000 X-JTAN-Outgoing-From: gregleg@gregleg.com X-JTAN-Outgoing-To: X-JTAN-Received: thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138] X-JTAN-Recipient: X-JTAN-AntiSPAM: not spam, Outgoing not scanned X-JTAN-AntiVirus: Found to be clean, Outgoing not scanned Received: from raven (thebe.jtan.com [207.106.84.138]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k95E7iOA016567 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:07:45 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:08:16 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c6e887$b4965d60$0600a8c0@raven> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 thread-index: AcbohatevmEh2aH3TxmZGGe8Q5jMHwAAYWeg In-Reply-To: <20061005134559.4991.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 207.106.84.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Greg Legowski" Subject: RE: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Just Add a Water Park, and Watch Revenue Climb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102344349; y=Z3scr4dXBMiqotv7oeXAZce1UyzKwVIGivSTRi1Pi8LE4O0 X-Yahoo-Profile: GregLeg1 I agree with Jeremy on the cost of hotels. It's relative and what's acceptable depends on what you're looking for. When on vacation, sometimes it's worth the splurge for a more expensive place. For instance, I spent the last two weeks in Germany on vacation (Oktoberfest, parks, sightseeing, etc.). For two of those nights I stayed here: http://www.hotel-adlon.de/en/hotel/index.htm 250 euro a night, and worth every one in my opinion. I wouldn't do it all the time (I couldn't afford to ;) ), but how often am I going to find myself in Berlin? --Greg From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 05 09:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47671 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 16:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 16:23:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.178) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 16:23:38 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 16:23:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 16:23:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 16:22:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:22:58 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Disneyland Tom Sawyer Island may get new occupants X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=YmhkZHbDDszRcBqhRWQ031dfLPTUZeDRgTtIjCgZG3Q1tcs X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 5, 2006 The Orange County Register http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1298379.php By SARAH TULLY and COURTNEY BACALSO ANAHEIM, CA -=96 Goodbye, Tom Sawyer. Ahoy, Capt. Jack Sparrow. If Disney film execs have their way, a "Pirates of the Caribbean"- themed attraction reportedly will take over Tom Sawyer Island =96 a=20 Disneyland playground designed by Walt Disney himself. The Disney watchdog Web site, Miceage.com, reported Wednesday that=20 the island, which began in 1956, will be updated. Disneyland=20 officials refused to confirm or deny the news. "We're always looking=20 at ways of doing things differently. It could happen. Or it could=20 not," Disney spokesman Bob Tucker said. Theme-park visitors board rafts to get to the island featuring caves,=20 secret passageways, tunnels and rope bridges =96 all inspired by Mark=20 Twain's books. In 2003, Disneyland rehabilitated many of the island's features to=20 make them safer, said Al Lutz, the Web site's editor. "The island is=20 just a shadow of what it used to be," he said. Lutz said executives, who cashed in on movies based on the Disneyland=20 pirate ride, are pushing for the island makeover in time for the 3rd=20 movie's release next year. "I think they are just reacting to the=20 marketplace," Lutz said. -------- Copyright 2006 The Orange County Register From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Oct 05 11:20:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1519 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 18:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 18:19:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.93.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 18:19:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 8931 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2006 18:18:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20061005181828.8929.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.207.244.4] by web42209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:18:28 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:18:28 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.218.93.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jeremy Norris Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland Tom Sawyer Island may get new occupants X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64084290; y=h8R6wkVm934Qm-wIphlq1Tt0k6uDd1h1_L7aMJgKq3lh9-UV X-Yahoo-Profile: scrunch17 --- Alan wrote: > October 5, 2006 > The Orange County Register > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1298379.php > By SARAH TULLY and COURTNEY BACALSO > > > ANAHEIM, CA -– Goodbye, Tom Sawyer. Ahoy, Capt. Jack > Sparrow. > > If Disney film execs have their way, a "Pirates of > the Caribbean"- > themed attraction reportedly will take over Tom > Sawyer Island – a > Disneyland playground designed by Walt Disney > himself. {SNIPPAGE} > Theme-park visitors board rafts to get to the island > featuring caves, > secret passageways, tunnels and rope bridges – all > inspired by Mark > Twain's books. {SNIPPAGE PT-II} > Lutz said executives, who cashed in on movies based > on the Disneyland > pirate ride, are pushing for the island makeover in > time for the 3rd > movie's release next year. "I think they are just > reacting to the > marketplace," Lutz said. Well this makes perfect sense to me as in many places across the nation "people-with-entirely-too-much-time-on-their-hands" have worked so hard (successfully) to get "Tom Sawyer" and "The Adventures of Huckelberry Finn" banned from libraries and school reading lists that it's quite possible that Disney's target demographic (i.e. sub pre-teen kids) no longer have any familiarity with the subject. They'd be better off theming it to "Fillmore!", "Doug", or "The Proud Family". Did I ever mention that I hate censorship? lata, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Oct 05 13:35:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50311 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 20:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 20:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.226) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 20:33:00 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so645866wxc for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.22.10 with SMTP id 10mr3813342wxv; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.69.10 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0610051329y51b7f28cj5c7438b08b8b3ace@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:29:25 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061005181828.8929.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20061005181828.8929.qmail@web42209.mail.scd.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Disneyland Tom Sawyer Island may get new occupants X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=XJUlQuHHXXZP-_0A72h0vNlmQgTlbmmeL2VKfyVBJQyEpuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The most interesting part about the Tom Sawyer/ Huck Finn censorship issue is how the book used to be banned for portraying black people in too positive of a light, and now it's being censored for being racist. On 10/5/06, Jeremy Norris wrote: > > --- Alan > wrote: > > October 5, 2006 > > The Orange County Register > > > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1298379.php > > By SARAH TULLY and COURTNEY BACALSO > > > > > > ANAHEIM, CA -=96 Goodbye, Tom Sawyer. Ahoy, Capt. Jack > > Sparrow. > > > > If Disney film execs have their way, a "Pirates of > > the Caribbean"- > > themed attraction reportedly will take over Tom > > Sawyer Island =96 a > > Disneyland playground designed by Walt Disney > > himself. > {SNIPPAGE} > > Theme-park visitors board rafts to get to the island > > featuring caves, > > secret passageways, tunnels and rope bridges =96 all > > inspired by Mark > > Twain's books. > {SNIPPAGE PT-II} > > Lutz said executives, who cashed in on movies based > > on the Disneyland > > pirate ride, are pushing for the island makeover in > > time for the 3rd > > movie's release next year. "I think they are just > > reacting to the > > marketplace," Lutz said. > > Well this makes perfect sense to me as in many places > across the nation > "people-with-entirely-too-much-time-on-their-hands" > have worked so hard (successfully) to get "Tom Sawyer" > and "The Adventures of Huckelberry Finn" banned from > libraries and school reading lists that it's quite > possible that Disney's target demographic (i.e. sub > pre-teen kids) no longer have any familiarity with the > subject. They'd be better off theming it to > "Fillmore!", "Doug", or "The Proud Family". > > Did I ever mention that I hate censorship? > lata, jeremy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From m.e.cowan@gmail.com Thu Oct 05 14:53:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.e.cowan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86511 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 21:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 21:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.231) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 21:49:55 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so636339wxd for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.56.2 with SMTP id e2mr4036210wxa; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.69.10 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6ab4641f0610051449o48e75354r34d4fa556a2c3396@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:49:54 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Michael Cowan" Subject: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=284040117; y=xsA-z5UE-rRpd7c6CR4hkUChS9UPafHzPpMCO65n_47mtvw X-Yahoo-Profile: mike_ska Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone, it's good to be back and to see a lot of familiar names posting lately. I just wanted to write a note saying that I rejoined the list earlier this week. Some of you may remember me from the original coaster-talk, or from about two years ago on this list. For those who don't remember me, my name is Michael Cowan. My tag used to be Mike_ska. I currently live in Brooklyn and am a second year grad student in the NYU School of Social Work. I will be at PPP this weekend with my girlfriend, starting at GrAdv tomorrow and ending with Dorney on Sunday. I don't think my girlfriend has any idea what she signed on to with this trip. I know I'll be meeting up with Brian, and maybe I'll be able to meet up with some others. Hope everyone has a good holiday weekend (whether you consider that holiday Columbus Day or PPP is up to you). -Michael E. Cowan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aelk2004@yahoo.com Thu Oct 05 15:27:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96286 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2006 22:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2006 22:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2006 22:25:07 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 22:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 22:23:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2006 22:23:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:23:51 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0610051449o48e75354r34d4fa556a2c3396@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=Bds0_hI5fRrLs1qv1N4o17Mc3qXskAndo1E545h56lntLQk X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Hey Mike SKA!!!! Yeah, long-time no see. Glad you're back. Keep us "posted" on your travels. -Alan --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan"=20 wrote: > > Hey everyone, it's good to be back and to see a lot of familiar=20 names > posting lately. >=20 > I just wanted to write a note saying that I rejoined the list=20 earlier this > week. Some of you may remember me from the original coaster-talk,=20 or from > about two years ago on this list. >=20 > For those who don't remember me, my name is Michael Cowan. My tag=20 used to > be Mike_ska. I currently live in Brooklyn and am a second year=20 grad student > in the NYU School of Social Work. I will be at PPP this weekend=20 with my > girlfriend, starting at GrAdv tomorrow and ending with Dorney on=20 Sunday. I > don't think my girlfriend has any idea what she signed on to with=20 this > trip. I know I'll be meeting up with Brian, and maybe I'll be able=20 to meet > up with some others. >=20 > Hope everyone has a good holiday weekend (whether you consider that=20 holiday > Columbus Day or PPP is up to you). > -Michael E. Cowan From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Oct 05 17:41:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71543 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 00:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 00:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 00:38:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 00:38:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 00:38:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:38:31 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <45247DDA.2040705@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.240.152 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: MISC: LOOK AT WHO ARE MAJOR HOLDERS OF SIX FLAGS, INC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=_JCH0qpMZCwPUg5_2-71l5gP5wiR82VhtXJhTOJfRoR_twAUiLcC X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > First off, what is with all the shouting? < I think that's because he simply copied and pasted the names from the Yahoo listing. > Who the F#$% cares who the major shareholders are? < Well, it's amusement park related, and actually I didn't realize that Kieran Burke still had such a large stake in the company. It's interesting to see how the shares are divided up. I'm not sure it's "bash Six Flags day." We do that any old day. But that warning about Six Flags stock being risky is news to me, though not a surprise. I was hoping that Shapiro and crew would have been able to restore investor confidence. That should be one of the company's top priorities. Jay From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Oct 05 17:57:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35786 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 00:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 00:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 00:57:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 15435 invoked by uid 99); 6 Oct 2006 00:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20061006005706.15434.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 5 Oct 2006 19:57:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: LOOK AT WHO ARE MAJOR HOLDERS OF SIX FLAGS, INC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=49wNDVygC_X0WmYr4T7Y1fNO2tTuggqvOkl2v-hlU1NcDnmh X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I own a small piece through one of the Mutual Funds that has stock in them. > > Agreed, I didn't care who owns a piece of Six Flags, although I own a > piece, too. (Yup! One whole share of penny stock Six Flags!) > > Chris B > Dave Rounds From drounds@jvlnet.com Thu Oct 05 17:57:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: drounds@jvlnet.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10099 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 00:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO emerald.jvlnet.com) (156.46.57.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 00:57:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 15486 invoked by uid 99); 6 Oct 2006 00:57:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20061006005710.15485.qmail@emerald.jvlnet.com> Date: 5 Oct 2006 19:57:10 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 207.40.99.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Originating-IP: 156.46.57.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "David R. Rounds" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: LOOK AT WHO ARE MAJOR HOLDERS OF SIX FLAGS, INC. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59700077; y=A12uZ7T5WeXTRwXNNlaT68Kbae655-I5XcOwkZa7tfNWbnVI X-Yahoo-Profile: drrounds2 I own a small piece through one of the Mutual Funds that has stock in them. > > Agreed, I didn't care who owns a piece of Six Flags, although I own a > piece, too. (Yup! One whole share of penny stock Six Flags!) > > Chris B > Dave Rounds From bethtoons@gmail.com Fri Oct 06 06:50:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19070 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 13:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 13:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.187) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 13:46:49 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a27so1102749nfc for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.48.15 with SMTP id v15mr5481554nfv; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.211.3 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 06:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30610060634t184c40aahaa60134e0d6e3eaa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:34:38 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6ab4641f0610051449o48e75354r34d4fa556a2c3396@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=5Tt3eewuoVYEIsZ6nT-CcRKVm3HpSfcTfZI_MBr7DJ3MFvdd X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons Definitely long time no see... I'll keep an eye out for the lot of you at PPP this weekend :) On 10/5/06, Alan wrote: > Hey Mike SKA!!!! > Yeah, long-time no see. Glad you're back. > Keep us "posted" on your travels. > > -Alan > > --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Cowan" > wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, it's good to be back and to see a lot of familiar > names > > posting lately. > > > > I just wanted to write a note saying that I rejoined the list > earlier this > > week. Some of you may remember me from the original coaster-talk, > or from > > about two years ago on this list. > > > > For those who don't remember me, my name is Michael Cowan. My tag > used to > > be Mike_ska. I currently live in Brooklyn and am a second year > grad student > > in the NYU School of Social Work. I will be at PPP this weekend > with my > > girlfriend, starting at GrAdv tomorrow and ending with Dorney on > Sunday. I > > don't think my girlfriend has any idea what she signed on to with > this > > trip. I know I'll be meeting up with Brian, and maybe I'll be able > to meet > > up with some others. > > > > Hope everyone has a good holiday weekend (whether you consider that > holiday > > Columbus Day or PPP is up to you). > > -Michael E. Cowan > > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > From tommytheduck@yahoo.com Fri Oct 06 09:22:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: tommytheduck@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55784 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 16:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 16:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 16:20:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 16:16:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 16:16:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:16:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <74b0c9f30610060634t184c40aahaa60134e0d6e3eaa@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.233.203.84 From: "tommytheduck" Subject: Re: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=64391012; y=k42VauLzubd06gk8nguPi-gU3UGpYHKVeEuq9w6qqYxB5G0Hs52- X-Yahoo-Profile: tommytheduck --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Aslakson"=20 wrote: > > Definitely long time no see... I'll keep an eye out for the lot of=20 you > at PPP this weekend :) Yeah, just look for him on the Twister as it goes into the tunnel...=20=20 I'm talking about full on penetra... oh never mind... See ya'll this weekend. Boogieless. Can you believe it's 42 inches=20 to ride the HSTC? What a load of crap! Maybe next year he can get=20 his tool on. AFLAC!!! -Brian F.=20=20 From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Fri Oct 06 09:36:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73435 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 16:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 16:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.231) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 16:36:03 -0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i32so215207wra for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.116.6 with SMTP id o6mr1870863agc; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.104.6 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:34:28 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <74b0c9f30610060634t184c40aahaa60134e0d6e3eaa@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=FXDDoRW8ZN-t3pTPSi_bpBFAUfjejizKwY-qa3RumHh9JUW0N45JDCA X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > Yeah, just look for him on the Twister as it goes into the tunnel... > I'm talking about full on penetra... oh never mind... LOL! That was seriously one of the best posts ever...second only to Jeremy's popcorn post and his theory on the woman who was hit by the Scream train. And maybe Adam's "Escape from Snatch Cavern" post. You've gotta watch those drunk postings. :) -Nate From aelk2004@yahoo.com Fri Oct 06 10:47:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16308 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.149) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n6.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 17:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 17:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2006 17:47:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:47:34 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Family Gets Magic Kingdom For A Day X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=JyupDWnSPfY9bUkLqTWXUgH4gOAAPzQOE5a5Fu3m7SZQoZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 6, 2006 NBC5 http://www.nbc5.com/travelgetaways/10016942/detail.html? rss=3Dchi&psp=3Dentertainment by Kyle Enevoldsen LAKE BUENA VISTA, FL -- Most families relish the idea of not having=20 to wait in line at the amusement park, but that's rarely the case at=20 some of the nation's top travel destinations. That is, of course, unless you win a contest at one of the most=20 famous family fun destinations of all time -- and get the park all to=20 yourself. An Ohio family became the 1st in history Wednesday to get the entire=20 Magic Kingdom at Florida's Walt Disney World to themselves for a day.=20 Ray & Tammy Spangler, of Randolph, OH, and their children, 13-y.o.=20 Derick and 11-y.o. Ashley, won the adventure through an online=20 sweepstakes competition that kicked off Disney's "The Year of a=20 Million Dreams" celebration. The Spanglers were welcomed to the park by a single red carpet that=20 led them down the MK's Main Street U.S.A. attraction. At the end of=20 the carpet, they were welcomed with a trumpet fanfare and received by=20 about 1,500 Disney park employees and characters, according to a=20 Disney Parks news release. Throughout the day, the family got their pick of all the top=20 attractions, met all the Disney characters and made an appearance on=20 ABC-TV's "Good Morning America." The Spanglers also dined in=20 Cinderella Castle, were named grand marshals for the "Disney Dreams=20 Come True" parade and got an exclusive showing of the nightly=20 fireworks presentation. Tammy Spangler said she never thought she would win the sweepstakes.=20 She said that before she entered the Disney contest, she rarely=20 entered any contests. "I hardly ever enter these things," she=20 said. "Disney's the most fun we've ever had on vacation, so when I=20 discovered the contest when I was [online], I entered it. But I=20 really didn't figure we'd win, not in a million years." Disney theme parks will be giving away more prizes throughout the=20 year during "The Year of a Million Dreams" celebration. Disney parks=20 officials said future prizes include free luxury suite hotel stays,=20 park passes, Disney Vacation Club memberships, traveling around the=20 world as a parade grand marshal in each Disney theme park, free=20 Disney cruises and many more giveaways. Anyone can enter the "The Year of a Million Dreams" celebration by=20 visiting the official Disney parks Web site. ----------- Distributed by Internet Broadcasting Copyright NBC Univeral, Inc. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 06 12:16:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30406 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 19:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 19:16:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.67) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 19:16:10 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVvAz-0006wB-Eb for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:16:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4526AB7E.8080006@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:16:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47812a3b82df2d80484cbf66114cbf6f5306271493941949354350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: NEWS: Just Add a Water Park, and Watch Revenue Climb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=6zPcqHenvUbNar8jwS0Q_MgeyyV3lD6dOpBhdJH4BjOWWYs X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash jay_ducharme wrote: > > > > "Our occupancy at the end of this year will be 80%," [snip] The > average daily rate is $205.91 < > > Wow. I guess these places are a good investment after all. Where the > heck are families getting the money to spend there? I'm slowly > realizing that most people in this country must be far wealthier than > I can ever hope to be. I could never justify spending $200 a night on > a hotel room, water park or not. No, not wealthier. Just going more and more into debt to pay for it. Hence why the credit card debt in the county seems to continue to rise. My kids are dying to go to the hotel, but I've already told them there's no way we'd ever stay in a place like that when I can get a hotel that is going to work just as well for 1/4 of the price. Especially since we don't go to hotels to stay at the hotel all day. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 06 12:35:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16111 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 19:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 19:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 19:26:47 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVvI3-0008VT-Fn for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:23:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4526AD34.1090308@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:23:32 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <4524FF66.8040507@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4524FF66.8040507@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47812a3b82df2d80484cf32f4b1822edad3ea3ff86eaf8c2085350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Amusement park annexation halted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=4mrhgCAURjP_EqClvW7rcEqBp8ndinAi7nJ5j9e-y1MxqMg X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Nathan Brown wrote: > > This is interesting. I wonder if this annexation plan has anything to > do with the coaster? I had the impression that the annexation process was already well along when the park started to suddenly build the coaster without any permits, notification, permissions, etc. > > It is too bad the author did not interview the park owner, I am > wondering if this is something he wanted because the county will not let > him open the coaster, saying it lacks building permits despite it being > a portable ride and not needing the permits. > -- From what I've read, the park owner isn't talking to anyone about much of anything. I'm curious about the permitting to. I'm not clear on what the local regulations are, but I know that many places require permits even for temporary carnivals, let alone a ride built in a semi-permanent location, even if it's a "portable" ride. I don't think, though, that the owner ignoring repeated stop-building orders is a very smart move. But then since he hasn't spoken about it or explained anything, it's hard to say. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From gburnash@earthlink.net Fri Oct 06 12:36:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: gburnash@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10418 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 19:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 19:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.66) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 19:32:12 -0000 Received: from [70.46.35.184] (helo=[192.168.0.100]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVvMx-00069g-UK for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:28:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4526AE65.9050909@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:28:37 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com References: <6ab4641f0610051449o48e75354r34d4fa556a2c3396@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6ab4641f0610051449o48e75354r34d4fa556a2c3396@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 95f3a1acbbcf5638846e115e3e8cf45574bf435c0eb9d47812a3b82df2d804848940111ad23bc6a3a1ba7104c3929f23350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.66 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: george burnash Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Introduction X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115345197; y=yIY9Ab1nZh4nFsw-owT5MFTvU95R7ZXGDSAf2LNePFY6O3k X-Yahoo-Profile: gburnash Michael Cowan wrote: > > > Hey everyone, it's good to be back and to see a lot of familiar names > posting lately. > > I just wanted to write a note saying that I rejoined the list earlier this > week. Some of you may remember me from the original coaster-talk, or from > about two years ago on this list. Welcome back Mike! Good to see you back again. Trust me, there's still a good number of people around who remember you. :) Looking forward to reading your posts again. keep on ridin' George -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sometimes it's up, sometimes it's down, but with God life is one thrill ride you'll never want to end. From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Oct 06 13:50:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67198 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 20:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2006 20:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 20:47:14 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k96Kl1dj023607 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c6e988$98afcd00$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:47:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: MISC: SFI EMAIL RESPONSES X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=VhOP6XwJ5i_YFUWqwKohmiK3t7UxOHUbUsLaKHCO6-yak-AmVq3b X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > First off, what is with all the shouting? < I think that's because he simply copied and pasted the names from the Yahoo listing. Joe's comment: That's exactly what I did. > Who the F#$% cares who the major shareholders are? < Well, it's amusement park related, and actually I didn't realize that Kieran Burke still had such a large stake in the company. It's interesting to see how the shares are divided up. Joe's comment: That's exactly why I posted it. Kieran Burke is not totally out of the picture when it comes to having an interest in the company, eventhough he's not calling the "shots" anymore on a day to day aspect. For someone that got ousted from the company, he's still a major shareholder. Amusement park related stuff is not exclusive to ride and trip reports. I'm not sure it's "bash Six Flags day." We do that any old day. But that warning about Six Flags stock being risky is news to me, though not a surprise. I was hoping that Shapiro and crew would have been able to restore investor confidence. That should be one of the company's top priorities. Joe's comment: It wasn't posted to "bash SF". It was strictly informative. You don't know how hard it was to keep from "jumping down throats" in a very colorful language worded email yesterday when I got home from work and saw the emails from two individuals. After writing it, I decided to re-read it, deleted it, and decided to see if anyone on this list saw the reason why it was posted. I refuse to bash anyone on this list, but since I've been a member some on this list seem to think it's ok to bash me. It continues year after year after year, and the insensitivity continues to this day. Just remember..... What goes around comes around, eventually, to everyone. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Fri Oct 06 17:20:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2613 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 00:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2006 00:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.185) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 00:20:19 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 00:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 00:19:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 00:19:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 00:19:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007601c6e887$b4965d60$0600a8c0@raven> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.247.144 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: NEWS: Just Add a Water Park, and Watch Revenue Climb X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=ACRS7q8kxiJ3AYzMS9AxJj6ps76R7mzTdeaV_SNj7eEcIOdT2tP8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I wouldn't do it all the time (I couldn't afford to ;) ), but how often am I going to find myself in Berlin? < Exactly, and in such a case I would probably do the same thing. But with these indoor waterparks, they're sprouting up all over the place. I'm amazed they can all charge about $200 a night and pack people in. Maybe I really *am* cheap, but I just can't see how so many families across the country can afford those prices year in and year out in order to keep these waterpark/hotels solvent. I don't have a problem spending big bucks for once-in-a-lifetime events. But those types of trips maybe happen once every several years for me, and I have to spend a long time saving up for them. Gosh...I feel so poor. :-P Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Sun Oct 08 16:26:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96439 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2006 23:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2006 23:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.187) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2006 23:22:48 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2006 23:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2006 23:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2006 23:22:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:22:43 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 216.231.60.137 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Bonus Credits! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=ip6uzwVU9zG8FMOTP28YKgskPklcLi4CckZRk5GdF6qCISiwGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I am in Seattle right now, waiting to pick up my car, after I shipped=20 it from Japan. I went to the Experience Music Project at Seattle Center=20 (Worth $16 for the Jimi Hendrix exhibit alone, but everything else was=20 kind of meh.) and I exited towards the plaza between the EMP and the=20 Children's Museum to catch the monorail to downtown. Unfortunately the=20 monorail is down right now, but the Fun Forest has two coasters that=20 weren't there the last time I was in Seattle back in 97. They have a=20 SDC Hurricane named Windstorm and a Schiff kiddy coaster that looks a=20 lot like an old Miler. Both were actually pretty fun and I got=20 two 'bonus' credits I wasn't expecting for less than ten bucks. Sadly,=20 Enchanted Village seems to be only doing Fright Fest today, and I don't=20 know if that means the rides are closed. I do have reservations for the=20 Space Needle restaurant tonight, so I'm going to pass up the Fright=20 Fest. I'll be able to get the Timberland Twister at Mall of America and=20 maybe Opa at Mt. Olympus before I get to Chicago next Saturday.=20 Chris B From bethtoons@gmail.com Mon Oct 09 08:12:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66278 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2006 15:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2006 15:09:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.185) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2006 15:09:53 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so1868844nfa for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.18 with SMTP id w18mr10329764nfi; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 07:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.211.3 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30610090755j5b6c6025mb461d2671faa3353@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:55:50 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Bonus Credits! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=WqLYOrOwhj63oviXPCOky-Q8zlQU2K8G-LfMgO2FsX34jKaT X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons The coasters should be open for FrightFest, I was there around this time last year, but the resteraunt at the Space Needle is far more exciting than the stuff at EV. On 10/8/06, Chris wrote: > Enchanted Village seems to be only doing Fright Fest today, and I don't > know if that means the rides are closed. I do have reservations for the > Space Needle restaurant tonight, so I'm going to pass up the Fright > Fest. I'll be able to get the Timberland Twister at Mall of America and > maybe Opa at Mt. Olympus before I get to Chicago next Saturday. > > Chris B From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Mon Oct 09 17:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51711 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 00:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 00:26:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53108.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.58) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 00:26:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21096 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2006 00:24:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20061010002405.21094.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.70.243.6] by web53108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:24:05 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:24:05 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: TR: Mass MoCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=O-FCJ4tuyDPNlr16sosJ2h1GmLwjg2LH9WRUijRXohORHa1FU211 X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On a sparkling autumn day, Karen and I drove to the picturesque town of Nor= th Adams, MA, to visit the Massachusetts Museum of Modern and Contemporary = Art. It was also a chance to drive through the beautiful Berkshires, the mo= untainous region whose annual display of fall colors is a magnet for touris= ts. There were still some colors remaining, but our trip came about a week = past the peak foliage season. We were surprised at how many trees were alre= ady bare. We traveled quiet backroads to reach our destination, passing thr= ough small farming communities still frozen in time except for the occasion= al new housing development. One of the most stunning scenes we passed was i= n Charlemont, where rows of ancient knarled bare trees guarded each side of= the road, a perfect harbinger to Halloween. Mass MoCA was built in 1999 out of a series of converted factory buildings = on the banks of the Hoosic River. There were many separate buildings, some = with performance spaces and some with cafes. We walked toward the building = at the back of the complex, where the art galleries were. Some of you might= be wondering why an art exhibit is being written up as an amusement park t= rip. Well, the exhibit that got our attention was by the sculptor Carten H= =F6ller titled "Amusement Park." The write-up by Mass MoCA promised, "a vas= t landscape of altered carnival midway rides, Carsten H=F6ller explores hum= an perception, sensory experience, pacing, balance, and time with his large= -scale installation. Amusement park rides familiar from childhood -- the di= zzying Gravitron, bumper bars, Twister and others -- are installed in MASS = MoCA's massive Building 5 space but with light and movement dramatically sl= owed. H=F6ller tampers with the velocity of the rides and the pattern of th= e lights to unsettle the viewer's mind, just as conventional amusement parks unsettle the body = through radical changes in gravity, direction, and bodily orientation." Tha= t sounded pretty inviting! We paid our $10 entry fee (quite reasonable) and were left to our own devic= es. Karen suggested I ask one of the guards what the heck we were supposed = to do. In short order we entered the first gallery. To the right was a larg= e wall covered with all sorts of firearms arranged in various geometric for= ms like pinwheels. It was like a frozen Busby Berkeley musical number with = guns instead of dancers. In front of us was the entrance to a large, tall g= allery. Some opera costumes were on display there. At the far left hanging = high in the air was a large space capsule with two astronauts floating near= by, tethered to it. The astronauts spacesuits appeared to be made out of qu= ilts. We walked back into the main hallway, where there was a series of photograp= hs of Roswell, New Mexico. Another room off to the side held an exhibit tit= led, "Ahistoric Occasion." It was a series of photographs of nine Abraham L= incoln impersonators. Some of the impersonators looked uncannily like Linco= ln's original photographs. Others looked like what I'd expect bad Elvis imp= ersonators would look like: obviously fake hair attachments and absolutely = no physical resemblance beyond the costume. But each man certainly looked e= arnest. A sign for the Amusement Park exhibit pointed to some stairs leading up. So= we climbed to another series of galleries. We first encountered "House of = Oracles," a retrospective of installations by Huang Yong Ping. This Chinese= artist had an extensive and varied series of displays. We first spotted tw= o iron cages, as if for circus animals. Each had a lighted yellow sign abov= e it. One read, "EC Nationals" and the second read, "Others." Another room = had giant wooden disks suspended like roulette wheels with writing on them = in chinese. Another room had a large wooden chariot with wheels similar to = the roulette wheels. Brass tacks formed chinese characters around the perim= eter of the wheels. A small anti-room to the side house what looked like a = large birdcage wrapped in tight brass screening. A lamp inside the cage cas= e eerie shadows throughout the space. Inside the center of the cage was a t= aratula. I don't know whether it was live or dead, but it stayed quite stil= l. Below that was a writing table with some papers on it. The shadow of the spider loome= d large on the papers. Another huge room was fascinating and somewhat distubing. Titled "Theater o= f the World," the bulk of the room was taken up by a gigantic snake skeleto= n made out of formed wooden pieces. It was suspended about ten feet in the = air, extending perhaps 60 feet end-to-end, with its head and gaping mouth r= esting on the floor. A thick black cord ran straight down from the center o= f the skeleton and ended at a light which was attached to a large domed tab= le shaped like a turtle's shell. The dome was made of thick screening. The = table surface was dirt. On the table was a lizard basking in the lamp's glo= w, along with an assortment of real snakes, scorpions, cockroaches and toad= s. The brochure for the piece stated that the table was an arena, where the= creatures were to battle in a Darwinian fight for survival. The lizard loo= ked to be the winner so far. Karen spotted a set of smoked glass doors. Through them could dimly be seen= twinkling colored lights. She opened a door and we walked onto a raised pl= atform in a huge darkened room. We walked down the stairs. Directly in fron= t of us appeared to be an old Herschell helicopter ride that had the propel= ler assembly and the tail removed. The cabs were painted in dark colors to = resemble billiard balls, with giant numbers painted on them. The ride was r= evolving, but at such a slow pace that movement was nearly imperceptible. S= trips of white lights on the center column were sequenced so that they swit= ched from one set to another about once every minute. Just beyond that was a pretty abused looking Gravitron (which basically loo= ks like a giant flying saucer). As with the helicopters, the lights sequenc= ed about once per minute. It was a lot more colorful, but since only a few = strips of lights were on at any given time the ride looked bleak. It too wa= s revolving almost imperceptibly. Karen noticed a series of old inspection = stickers that were affixed to it, probably from its years on the fair circu= it. Beside the Gravitron was an old portable bumper car building. The cars insi= de were sort of randomly placed in the corners of the building, leaving the= center wide open and empty. Nothing moved. It looked really dark. And like= everything else, the lights sequenced really really slowly. Just past the bumper cars and to the left was a tiny auto car ride, one of = those carousel-like kiddie amusements (with a fire truck, motorcycle, etc.)= . This one was so small it almost looked like a coin-operated version. It d= idn't move. And next to that was a Tilt-A-Whirl (with an unlit sign labelin= g it Twister). The clamshell back on one of the cabs was missing. The ride = platform moved perhaps an inch every ten seconds. Karen and I stood there h= oping to see something more happen. Eventually, some of the cabs would have= to roll as the platform tilted in a different direction. But after about t= hree minutes of waiting we gave up. We followed an open doorway out of the hall and found ourselved in a smalle= r darkened room. There were three spots of light on the floor and three lar= ge screens to the left. As we entered the light, our video images were proj= ected in black and white on the three screens. But the projection was sligh= tly delayed. That was intreguing and slightly disorienting. It was like a f= un house mirror that took a while to react. From there stairs led up to a b= rightly-lit room. In the center was a collection of mirror panels affixed l= ike the revolving doors you'd see at a bank. The mirrors even had push bars= attached to each side. There were about a half-dozen sets arranged in clos= e proximity, like a maze. That really looked interesting. Unfortunately, ev= en though all of the "doors" were interconnected to a metal structure so th= ey could revolve, none of them did. And the entire display was roped off so= that we couldn't interact with it. At one end of the room was a sort of ov= erlook. Through it we could gaze out from above over the entire darkened amusement= park exhibit. There was a brief whooshing sound as one of the Tilt-a-Whirl= cars rocked ever so slightly. About the exhibit, Mass MoCA's director said, "The amusement park -- alread= y a site of physiological and psychological disorientation, unease, and ine= ffable strangeness -- gets further refracted and warped in Carsten's hands.= Though this work is experienced through the eyes and the ears, our staff h= as been surprised how physical the effect can be. Your body enters a space = of warped time, and your mind follows with dizzying speed. Though forebodin= g for some -- amusement parks have a dark underbelly, which this work embra= ces -- the experience is otherwordly, pleasantly disorienting and theatrica= l." I'm not sure if we were looking at the same exhibit. The one we saw was an = exercise in boredom. Unless something technically went wrong between the ex= hibit's opening and when we saw it, there was absolutely nothing disorienti= ng about it. If the rides randomly sped up then slowed down, the effect wou= ld have been much more disturbing. Why not have some of the bumper cars loc= ked into the go position with the wheels cranked so that the cars spun in p= lace? As far as theatricality, it looked like H=F6ller simply got some junk= ed amusement rides and plopped them down into the room. There was no partic= ular environment for each ride. Nothing was done to the walls or floors. Th= e rides didn't appear to have been dressed in any particular way. (Perhaps = even the billiard ball helicopters were purchased in that condition.) If th= ere were mirrors placed everywhere around the exhibit -- on the walls and j= udiciously standing up in various positions along the floor -- and the ride= s spun slightly faster, that would have been disorienting. What about some sinister clown = faces staring down from above? The ceiling was extremely high and all that = space could have been more effectively used. Karen spotted another stairway leading up. It was another brightly lit room= . But the exhibit there was actually part of the Huang Yong Ping show. To t= he left was the cockpit of an old military aircraft. The fuselage was made = from a series of thick bamboo poles, like giant hula hoops, covered by a tu= be of multicolored sheer cloth. There was a short staircase to climb up ins= ide the fuselage. But something wasn't quite right... I told Karen not to l= ook up. Hanging from the ceiling over the entire length of the fuselage, an= d packed into the cockpit were dozens and dozens of real bats -- dead ones,= but real nonetheless, in all sizes. There were crude countertops running a= long either side of the fuselage with technical drawings and other articles= scattered about. But it was difficult to pay attention to that. We walked back down through the amusement park exhibit, hoping to see the r= ides do something else. But no, the boredom continued. So we left the exhib= its and walked through the museum's small gift shop area. There was a spare= black helicopter car available for purchase. It was painted to resemble an= eight ball. The asking price was $1200. I assume that price did not includ= e delivery. Overall, Mass MoCA was an impressive facility. I thought Huang Yong Ping's = displays alone were worth the price of admission. They were thought-provoki= ng and visually arresting. We were brought there under false pretenses, tho= ugh. The write up about H=F6ller's exhibit far exceeded the experience of i= t. But I'm glad we went, and we'll probably return if another exhibit catch= es our attention. Even if there are no exhibits worth remembering, the Berk= shires in the fall is a stunning work of art all its own. Jay =20=09=09 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Tue Oct 10 07:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63436 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 14:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 14:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc13.comcast.net) (206.18.177.53) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 14:05:29 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[71.192.38.95]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061010130532b1300l7ouce>; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:05:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1160484301.921.7746.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1160484301.921.7746.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <2589db53c9385a776c04fca3b862dd98@law.wnec.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:05:34 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Originating-IP: 206.18.177.53 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: Mass MoCA TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=r4gFiOS4ULLu4z9zQHZqlsm8sGqj-mnNFr9LXHsI9SSm3YD48n7ogg X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > Jay wrote: > > Overall, Mass MoCA was an impressive facility. I thought Huang Yong=20 > Ping's displays alone were worth the price of admission. They were=20 > thought-provoking and visually arresting. We were brought there under=20 > false pretenses, though. The write up about H=F6ller's exhibit far=20 > exceeded the experience of it. But I'm glad we went, and we'll=20 > probably return if another exhibit catches our attention. Even if=20 > there are no exhibits worth remembering, the Berkshires in the fall is=20 > a stunning work of art all its own. > We went to Mass MoCA this summer while up in North Adams for a judges'=20 conference I was teaching at. I enjoyed the amusement rides, I think,=20 more than you did. I felt the atmosphere and the (incredibly) slow=20 motion, in the almost entirely dark room, was quite the experience. We=20 did not get back to the delayed-video room or the other sections -- my=20 daughter was starting to actually get a little freaked out by the rides=20 -- but I still thought it was effective. I agree, though, that other=20 parts of the museum were more impressive. Incidentally, we stayed at Porches -- the hotel directly across from=20 Mass MoCA -- and ate at the sit-down restaurant in Mass MoCA, and=20 thought they were both terrific, especially the hotel. It's a bit=20 pricey if you're paying your own way, but happily, we weren't. Bill From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 12:26:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46954 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 19:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 19:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.23) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 19:24:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:22:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:22:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:22:57 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20061010002405.21094.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.23 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: Re: TR: Mass MoCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=bBI_QPw1r38Bpd3UOuLtYazkvwiVFxMP39on4RHBGLR7T1o X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Jay, Thanks for the walk through of the H=F6ller exhibit. I've seen it listed,=20 but couldn't get my head wrapped around what they were saying. It also=20 helps to explain the few pictures I've seen. -Alan From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 12:34:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23466 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 19:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 19:31:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.190) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 19:31:17 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:29:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:29:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:29:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:29:15 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Nut Tree amusement center preps for opening X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=zB5vPBo-nSyJ9bFaDWTIkoOy3sH5vZ63oYzs_zf313Mzk90 X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 10, 2006 The Daily Democrat MediaNews Group http://www.dailydemocrat.com/news/ci_4469787 By AMANDA JANIS Vacaville, CA -- Opening day at the Nut Tree Family Park is nearly 2=20 weeks away, but Nut Tree Railroad engineer Jim Holtz is already=20 polishing Engine No. 5. "This is my baby," he said while patting the=20 refurbished locomotive. The train is one of several classic Nut Tree=20 icons being revived in the new development's family amusement park. Holtz performed maintenance work at the former Nut Tree - often=20 relating to the train - and he's thrilled to be returning as one of=20 its crew. In part, he said, because being a train conductor or=20 engineer is every boy's dream come true. But mostly because he missed=20 the Nut Tree. "I just loved it," he said. Even on days when he wasn't=20 working, he recalled, he often dropped what he was doing and took his=20 daughter to ride the steam engine replica. Starting at 10 a.m. on Friday, Oct. 20 - the park's official grand=20 opening date - many locals will relive similar memories and bring=20 along new generations to create them. "We always talk about 'family- oriented,' but this place really is family-oriented," Holtz said,=20 gesturing around the 3.7-acre Family Park. The admission-free park is meant to appeal to multi-generations. At=20 its center sits Harbison House, the Nut Tree founders' 1907 home;=20 once its interior is fully restored it will serve as a museum of Nut=20 Tree and California history. There are also gardens, hobby horses and=20 a boat pond in addition to amusement rides. Aside from the famous train, which will cost $3.40 per ride, there=20 are 6 rides in the park, including a carousel, bumper cars and roller=20 coaster. Each will cost between 2-4 tickets, which are 85 cents each.=20 Packages of 10 & 20 tickets can be purchased for $8.50 and $17,=20 respectively, or an unlimited ride wristband costs $16.95 per person.=20 There's also a family special: $39.99 buys 50 ride tickets and 20=20 redemption game tokens for the games building. (Charter memberships,=20 which include a season pass, are also available online or at Nugget=20 Markets.) Starting Oct. 20, the Family Park will be open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.=20 Monday to Thursday, and from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. Friday to Sunday. --------- Copyright 2005, The Daily Democrat From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 12:41:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6901 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 19:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 19:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 19:36:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:36:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:36:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:36:17 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Insurance broker admits he bilked Indiana Beach X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=BQ8CA7GGNBhuYqQWS3aEqW8QjNH49gWDPgm7aRqFFX5rQbg X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 10, 2006 Northwest Indiana Times http://www.nwitimes.com/articles/2006/10/10/news/lake_county/9bce4377e 08fa95c86257203000b3d69.txt BY JOE CARLSON Monticello, IN -- An Illinois insurance broker has pleaded guilty in=20 federal court to overbilling the Indiana Beach amusement park for 5=20 types of insurance, including a property insurance policy that IB=20 never had. The indictment against Naperville agent Jeffrey Kennedy said he over- billed IB by more than $300,000 and kept the difference. All of the=20 overbillings occurred between 1999 and 2002. Kennedy pleaded guilty on Thursday to 5 counts of mail fraud. He=20 could receive 5 years in prison on each count when he's sentenced in=20 January in U.S. District Court in Hammond. Kennedy was VP of the Lauerman Brothers insurance agency before it=20 was involuntarily dissolved last year, Illinois corporate records say. On 4 types of insurance -- general liability, excess liability,=20 commercial auto and concession liability -- Kennedy said he simply=20 overbilled IB for policies that it had in place. In 2001, for example, the broker billed IB $250,250 for its general=20 liability insurance, even though the policy only cost $200,200. Kennedy also billed IB from 1999-2001 for a property insurance=20 policy, even though he had not secured any such policy for IB. ------- =A9 1996-2006 nwitimes.com From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 12:49:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30337 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 19:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 19:47:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.172) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 19:47:10 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n5.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:45:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:45:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:45:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:45:41 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?NEWS:_Town_and_County_disagree_on_amusement_park=92s_future?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=oWjtzJ-BM5cOyg_lKq9DgHprmITkoyyOlHtoTNGSotA44Qo X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 Oct. 5, 2006 The Gazette http://www.gazette.net/stories/100506/fredcou185236_31945.shtml by Patrick Dunne New Market, VA -- This week, Frederick County commissioners became=20 the latest of several entities to become involved in the Town of New=20 Market's controversial annexation of a 24.5-acre amusement park.=20 During a Monday morning workshop, the majority of commissioners=20 disagreed with New Market's plan to annex the park into town limits. Still, town leaders expect to vote on creating a new zoning district=20 to govern the amusement park and will continue annexation discussions=20 Wednesday night. If the Town of New Market successfully annexes land that includes=20 Adventure Park USA, the park may not be able to add rides or grow in=20 any other way for 5 years. Frederick County law requires a 5-year=20 construction moratorium if New Market incorporates the park into town=20 limits. While the town and county disagree on the future of the AP land, the=20 2 have equal footing in the decision, according to state law. Commissioner Jan H. Gardner (D), along with 3 other board members,=20 agreed an AP annexation is inconsistent with the county's=20 comprehensive growth plan. Gardner said some of her reservations stemmed from the difference=20 between county and town zoning. "The annexation is inconsistent with=20 the county comprehensive plan and zoning ordinance because the=20 property is [limited industrial]," she said. "The town does not have=20 an `LI' zoning." She said not only was the town's annexation application incomplete,=20 but the park had built a roller coaster too high for county standards. Commission President John "Lennie" Thompson Jr. (R) said at the=20 meeting that the county should not get involved in the issue. New Market has yet to approve an amusement park zoning ordinance for=20 the land. If approved on Wednesday night, the town's amusement park=20 zoning would allow the park to build rides and lights higher than the=20 county's limit. New Market Mayor Winslow Burhans III said he hoped the town and=20 county could agree to disagree on AP's future. "At the end of the=20 day, annexed or not annexed, this thing is still going to be an=20 amusement park," he said. The annexation of AP hit another snag early last month when owners of=20 Intercoastal Industrial Center filed a lawsuit to block the=20 annexation of AP into the town. Intercoastal sold a nearly 24.5-acre lot to Larry Stottlemeyer of AP=20 in September 2004. The contract stipulated park owners could not=20 approach the town with annexation plans and must abide by Frederick=20 County zoning laws. The lawsuit states AP chose to "ignore the clear=20 meaning and intent" of the covenants and inappropriately gave New=20 Market the consent needed to annex. Miles and Stockbridge P.C., lawyers representing Clarksburg-based=20 Intercoastal, filed a lawsuit claiming the park breached its contract=20 and should cease all annexation plans. Stottlemeyer, who could not be reached prior to The Gazette's press=20 time, consented to the annexation on July 20. -------- Copyright =A9 2006 The Gazette From aelk2004@yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 12:58:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: aelk2004@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80073 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 19:54:01 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:51:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:51:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 19:51:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:51:48 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 192.133.42.1 From: "Alan" Subject: NEWS: Cedar Point parent to offer 2007 pass good for parks nationwide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=174904329; y=nI80v22RG8sA0hePxzYgMpitrMqypDjQJElvXwzgxPVZnmM X-Yahoo-Profile: aelk2004 October 09, 2006 THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH http://www.dispatch.com/business-story.php? story=3Ddispatch/2006/10/09/20061009-F6-03.html by Marla Matzer Rose=20 Sandusky, OH -- The recent purchase of Paramount Parks by Cedar Fair=20 will mean savings for tourists who frequent both of Ohio's top=20 amusement parks. The company that now owns Cedar Point and Paramount's Kings Island is=20 offering a 2007 season pass good for admission to all 12 of its=20 amusement parks for $125, $35 more than a season pass for CP alone. For $25 more, a "Maxx Pass Plus" will get buyers into the Sandusky- based company's 6 separately gated water parks as well, including=20 Soak City by CP. Michigan's Adventure in Muskegon, MI, is offering a 2-park 2007=20 season combo pass with CP for $105. Lorrie Crum, a spokeswoman for CF, said a similar Ohio-only park=20 combo pass is being discussed, and could be announced later. However,=20 that might be after season-pass prices are raised early next year. Crum said the company is looking to stabilize prices at its parks. CP=20 lowered its regular daily admission rates this past season, saying it=20 wanted to stimulate business in the tough economic climate of=20 northern Ohio. The daily adult admission will creep back up next year=20 to $42 from $40. PKI will lower its full-fare daily rates for adults=20 to $44.95 from $49.95 in 2007. Both parks are slightly raising the=20 cost of a 1-park season pass. Gary Slade, editor and publisher of industry publication Amusement=20 Today, said CF's sale of all-park season passes is in line with the=20 practices of park operators such as Anheuser-Busch and Six Flags. He=20 said such passes represent good value to consumers and park=20 owners. "Chances are you're going to buy photos, food and souvenirs=20 once you're in the park, so it's to their benefit to get you there,"=20 Slade said. They'll also hit patrons up for parking. A season parking pass at CP=20 next year will cost $50; there is no multipark parking deal, although=20 PKI is offering pass holders who re-up before Nov. 15 free parking=20 for 2007. -------- =A92006, The Columbus Dispatch From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 14:30:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16585 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 21:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 21:20:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 21:20:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:20:52 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 63.70.138.182 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Somewhat OT: Tate Modern installs slides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=zJ28OBfbtz7l7Hbfbc3O6SxiSlJirBnE4Uc29LApAPX3ltHwAKa5 X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani The Tate Modern art gallery in London has an exhibit that features=20 five large non-water slides: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061010/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentbritaing ermanyart_061010154300 Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 16:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87664 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2006 23:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2006 23:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.157) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2006 23:59:00 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 23:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 23:57:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2006 23:57:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:57:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2589db53c9385a776c04fca3b862dd98@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.70.251.96 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Mass MoCA TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=bbfhc5bQygXOWFWV2fbJhu-2y0GXBngdyNLMyoXJlHnRtetQ3vWZ X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > I enjoyed the amusement rides, I think, more than you did. I felt the atmosphere and the (incredibly) slow motion, in the almost entirely dark room, was quite the experience. < Interesting, Bill. Was the exhibit when you saw it the same way I described it? The room wasn't all that dark when we were there, because the numerous large windows that had been boarded up were leaking light through. It was darker than the other halls (except for the pitch black projector room), but not completely. The rides actually spun that slowly when you were there? I think it would have been neat if Holler had placed mannequins inside the Gravitron or on some of the other rides. The frozen people would have added a sense of eerieness to it all. Jay From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Tue Oct 10 17:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53833 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2006 00:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2006 00:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2006 00:34:41 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:2149 helo=[10.0.1.3]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GXS2c-0001JO-NW for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:33:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:33:40 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: Mass MoCA TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=mHKn8eay-56GRZN9o-PYPYiaTaRTvC-mIVdUL_RKKC2U94ODk_NNiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay wrote: > Interesting, Bill. Was the exhibit when you saw it the same way I > described it? The room wasn't all that dark when we were there, > because the numerous large windows that had been boarded up were > leaking light through. It was darker than the other halls (except for > the pitch black projector room), but not completely. The rides > actually spun that slowly when you were there? It wasn't completely dark, but dark enough that the ride lights were a bit...startling isn't quite the right word, but they were the dominant source of light. They were blinking quite slowly as well, which made it feel somewhat like I was in, well, a slow-motion carnival. And yes, the rides were that slow -- I had to hold a program next to the Tilt-A-Whirl to show that it was actually moving. > > I think it would have been neat if Holler had placed mannequins inside > the Gravitron or on some of the other rides. The frozen people would > have added a sense of eerieness to it all. Indeed, it would have -- though I found it eerie in the first place. Some of that may be why I found it more compelling in the first place, and that was being with Ella (who's seven). She was not freaked out (if she was we wouldn't have stayed in there for any length of time), but she definitely found it eerie and was clutching my hand. Maybe her reaction informed mine. More generally, it was fascinating to go through a contemporary art museum with kids. They don't bring the "I could do that" attitude that a lot of adults bring and see some really interesting things that I didn't. They certainly miss some of the symbolism, etc., but it was still a lot of fun. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 17:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85635 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 00:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2006 00:29:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 00:29:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 00:29:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 00:29:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:29:13 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.6.226 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Mass MoCA TR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=YMKt05icjkaDcweKAvPlPqex4MNML-5QME6v6iGggjwBHB-TpMmq X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > the ride lights were a bit...startling isn't quite the right word, but they were the dominant source of light. They were blinking quite slowly as well, which made it feel somewhat like I was in, well, a slow-motion carnival. < *That* would be interesting to see. When we were there, they weren't so much blinking slowly as much as simply *cycling* slowly. One set would come on and hold for about thirty seconds to a minute, then go off and another set would come on for thirty seconds. It would have been neat if they actually dimmed out as another set slowly dimmed on, like watching a real lighting display in slow motion. It also would have been neat if the rides weren't level. (That would probably wreak havoc with their operation though.) It would give it much more of a Twilight Zone quality. > She was not freaked out (if she was we wouldn't have stayed in there for any length of time), but she definitely found it eerie and was clutching my hand. Maybe her reaction informed mine. < Interesting. You're probably right. I'm think I'm just getting more and more jaded.... > it was fascinating to go through a contemporary art museum with kids. They don't bring the "I could do that" attitude that a lot of adults bring and see some really interesting things that I didn't. < True, and they'll probably come away with a greater appreciation of the art than a lot of adults do. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 17:46:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48083 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 00:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2006 00:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.25) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 00:38:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 00:37:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 00:37:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:37:55 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.6.226 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Tate Modern installs slides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=tBpUE32Nrl42gVlyI05D1AF-SfpYWewRR9XBkcWv0m5h6dkID0pw X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Well well, it's ol' Carsten Holler again! I wish *this* had been at Mass MoCA! > "This is what we need in art galleries, something to put smiles on peoples' faces," he told AFP. < Now this is a sad statement. As Bill intimated in his previous email, art by itself can bring a lot of joy if you open yourself up to it. As amusing as Holler's slides are, they're cheap gimmicks compared with Huang Yong Ping's displays at Mass MoCA, which were there not only to amuse but to make you think. Jay From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 17:46:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99677 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 00:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2006 00:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 00:43:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 00:42:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2006 00:42:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:42:53 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.127.6.226 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: Somewhat OT: Tate Modern installs slides X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=n049dRdZq_0Wj3QL7Ml41DJryflrF7ALrRSzpbqKaMMnUCV99Hlu X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Another thought popped into my tiny brain: I'm wondering if Holler's London installation is the first piece of modern art to require liability insurance. Jay From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Fri Oct 13 15:47:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97600 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 22:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2006 22:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.135) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 22:46:00 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9DKikI9012770 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c6ef08$717026b0$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.135 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: Misc/News: Ghost Rider, The Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=ZspdT9Ayyo-fE3oB6atA4xL4Jfo4uY1s78nNbvKzDmnUaM1-7K7d X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/ghostrider/ I'm not sure if anyone was aware of this one. It's interesting what the movie plot is. It's scheduled to be released 2/16/07. This is somewhat related to theme/amusement parks as we talk about characters used in parks. I think it would be cool if KBF somehow tied these two together for an awesome promotion. Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From adamnvillani@yahoo.com Sat Oct 14 15:16:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: adamnvillani@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86458 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 22:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2006 22:16:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.21) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2006 22:16:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2006 22:16:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2006 22:16:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:16:11 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801c6ef08$717026b0$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.77.245.51 From: "adamnvillani" Subject: Re: Misc/News: Ghost Rider, The Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=145821173; y=9gBy1zHIK42Z5f0W4wqVb8-y97KOsmG-99l-kDTF-zUmF9gpKCuL X-Yahoo-Profile: adamnvillani --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "THUNDER7NYFL" wrote: > This is somewhat related to theme/amusement parks as we talk about=20 > characters used in parks. I think it would be cool if KBF somehow=20 > tied these two together for an awesome promotion. It's based on the Marvel Comics character Ghost Rider, who became popular during the supernatural superhero craze of the '70s and had a resurgence in the '90s. He's a motorcycle rider who gets possessed by a demon and drives around with a flaming skull for a head and whipping bad guys with a flaming chain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_%28comics%29 Closer to the concept of the KBF rollercoaster was the original Marvel Comics Ghost Rider of the 1950s, an Old West gunslinger who fought bad guys dressed up like a ghost. That character's been retroactively renamed the Phantom Rider. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Rider I'm guessing that legends of haunted horsemen were fairly common in the Old West, and so both the rollercoaster and the comics character (and hence, the film) drew on the same tradition. Remember that old song "Ghost Riders in the Sky?" Wikipedia says that song first became a hit in 1949, so the original comics character probably drew directly on the song for inspiration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Riders_in_the_Sky So the movie and the coaster aren't directly related to each other, and Marvel's licensing is only with Universal right now, so I'd doubt there'd be any cross-promotion. Adam http://blogbilongadam.blogspot.com From profsol22@aol.com Sat Oct 14 15:19:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: profsol22@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27675 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 22:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2006 22:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2006 22:18:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2006 22:18:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2006 22:18:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:18:28 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.55 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.248.42.149 From: "profsol2000" Subject: book about Coney Island X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115937091; y=YmvOr9BFgsl3ro5k6PIVtwuNXOsBCypbhO33ZwR3RLizVULnHto X-Yahoo-Profile: profsol2000 To download a free copy of my book "Coney Island" (a history and profile of the amusement area), go to: http://www.professorsolomon.com It's a pdf file (41.2 MB). Professor Solomon =20=20=20 From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Sun Oct 15 13:35:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41567 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2006 20:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2006 20:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2006 20:34:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2006 20:34:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2006 20:34:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:34:04 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.192.84 From: "jay_ducharme" Subject: Re: book about Coney Island X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=0-T0IYVdR_pLU1CVzKmaurP60mBqb9_aIJHVo1LR4kXvU9L5nQ1z X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme > To download a free copy of my book "Coney Island" < That was awfully nice of you to tell us about this. The book looks like an interesting read, well-illustrated. (It'll take me a while to get through it!) You may have to tack an addendum onto it, if all the plans for renovation come true. And BTW your website is a lot of fun. Thanks. Jay From munkye1972@yahoo.com Mon Oct 16 17:00:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49000 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 23:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2006 23:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2006 23:54:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2006 23:54:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2006 23:54:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:54:19 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.27.211.238 From: "Chris" Subject: MISC: Dells, 6FGAm, and a new coaster destination? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=Im_Azdb-gaOFPV-JYFfRfB6XVdF_sfEA3HtQ14DS7OuFaKX6Uw X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 I only have a couple minutes left on this terminal, but I figured=20 I'd mention a couple things from my drive from Seattle to Chicago. The Dells was nice despite the unseasonal cold. Kalahari was OK, but=20 very crowded. I was most disappointed at the minimum requirement for=20 two riders on so many slides, as my wife tends to not ride the=20 bigger waterslides. (Yes, no Master Blaster for me.) The Disko at Mt Olympus has been broken down and is now outside the=20 Parthenon. It seems that it will be reopened at a new location=20 outside the row of food places. The path from the main gate is still=20 fenced off and it seems that the new permanent way into the park=20 from the Hades lot will be through Zeus' structure. The employees I=20 asked didn't know why and they thought it was pretty odd, too. Zeus=20 was the bonus ride and a couple of the tracks were open in addition=20 to the indoor attractions. The Parthenon has more theming to the=20 outside, but it still looks like a big tent, especially inside.=20 All the other outdoor places pretty much called it quits after last=20 weeks snow, which all melted off. I did get my first ride on the=20 Original Dells Ducks, which was pretty cool. Mayumi said she wants=20 to go back in the summer when its warmer. (Yeah!) The Fright Fest at 6FGAm was packed (IMO, I've never been to a=20 Halloween event.) The closest parking space I found at 11 was right=20 by the main parking booths. I picked up two of my missing credits,=20 even though Deja Vu and Ragin' Cajun were open. I got my 2007 passes=20 for $80 each, and season parking passes are back for $50. This is=20 now on the ID and it was verbally stated that this will pay for=20 parking at ALL 6F parks. I'll believe it when they let me drive into=20 another park. I liked Superman, but I felt that the pretzel was=20 actually a bit too forceful. V2 was OK, but I actually prefer the no=20 twist variant at LaQua, go figure. (The back spike brake was on, and=20 I didn't care for it.) I used my other two flash passes on Whizzer=20 and Raging Bull. I actually like RB even though it has been trimmed.=20 The first trim was on hard, but I still felt I got plenty of air in=20 my back row ride. Mayumi and I also rode the Big Easy Ballons and=20 had an Aunt Martha's Chicken Dinner to round out our short day at=20 the park. I figure I have plenty of time to reacquaint myself with=20 the park next year.=20 Deja Vu was up with 2.5 hour wait times, Superman (2), Whizzer (4)=20 and RB (3) had multiple train operations with little to no stacking.=20 Finally, while driving around the Black Hills I found a new park=20 under construction. It is part of the Boondocks chain and has mostly=20 kiddie rides. There is a Miler or Schiff kiddie oval, which is=20 believed by RCDB to be South Dakota's first permanent coaster. The=20 construction was mostly completed, and the park is on US 385 south=20 of Deadwood on the way to Mt. Rushmore. I didn't suspect that it=20 was a new project, so I didn't stop to take pictures, sorry!=20 Chris B Next up? Next year... :( From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Mon Oct 16 19:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27019 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 02:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2006 02:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.227) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2006 02:35:17 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t13so1799691wxc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.49.19 with SMTP id w19mr4231404agw; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.104.6 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:32:06 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] MISC: Dells, 6FGAm, and a new coaster destination? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=shIsS0V0GOjiEQkC2YXvEb-gw5_jVSwwk1iRPTedAEyylXvKZ4TGW9Y X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > The Disko at Mt Olympus has been broken down and is now outside the > Parthenon. It seems that it will be reopened at a new location > outside the row of food places. It's the other way around. The Disk'o moves indoors during the winter and outdoors during the summer. > The path from the main gate is still > fenced off and it seems that the new permanent way into the park > from the Hades lot will be through Zeus' structure. The employees I > asked didn't know why and they thought it was pretty odd, too. I figured this one out on my last visit. They built a gift shop at the top of the hill right at the Zeus entrance/exit. They force you to exit the park *through* the gift shop now, which (I think) is pretty smart. The other entrance is much too wide for a gift shop. I suspect that they may have the old entrance open during the first few hours of park operation while lots of people are entering/buying tickets, but I haven't been there to find out for sure. -Nate From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Mon Oct 16 20:23:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63165 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 03:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2006 03:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2006 03:13:44 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9GMEhJE000156 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6f170$7dd09290$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:14:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.134 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: News: Six Flags Launches New Package of Season Pass Benefits X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=lI_wC0Jgkw9PGlHo_HZfM_X5sT_81kCJl7VUFBUK3Y6QYa4aYPEc X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/six-flags-launches-new-package-of-season/n20061016091009990006 Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bethtoons@gmail.com Tue Oct 17 13:09:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: bethtoons@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67529 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 20:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2006 20:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.185) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2006 20:07:00 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so376578nfc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr2275942nfl; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.211.3 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <74b0c9f30610171303m424424adyf244735945718e23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:03:49 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 64.233.182.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Beth Aslakson" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Next Year's Holiwood Nights? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189987440; y=8O9BpVXwitZ6FwpqNQ68juRXGLlenHUvZ_B6C3mewOkbpMlG X-Yahoo-Profile: bethtoons It's been announced now http://holidayworld.com/clubs/ On 9/26/06, tommytheduck wrote: > Anyone know if and when they are doing this again next year? > > AFLAC!!! > > -Brian F. > > > > > > Don't forget our group site at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RollerCoasterTalk > bookmarks, files, chatroom, and more are all found there. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From munkye1972@yahoo.com Tue Oct 17 20:54:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: munkye1972@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33052 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.205) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 03:51:56 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n14.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 03:50:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 03:50:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2006 03:50:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:50:39 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.34.55.98 From: "Chris" Subject: Re: MISC: Dells, 6FGAm, and a new coaster destination? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=124743306; y=-r5pUjZcs--LRsl8R0lucvUigZdlVA5p1kgmRmUy9w_7JXFC5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: munkye1972 --- In RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Kohlrusch" wrote: > > The path from the main gate is still > > fenced off and it seems that the new permanent way into the park > > from the Hades lot will be through Zeus' structure. The employees I > > asked didn't know why and they thought it was pretty odd, too. >=20 > I figured this one out on my last visit. They built a gift shop at > the top of the hill right at the Zeus entrance/exit. They force you > to exit the park *through* the gift shop now, which (I think) is > pretty smart. The other entrance is much too wide for a gift shop. I > suspect that they may have the old entrance open during the first few > hours of park operation while lots of people are entering/buying > tickets, but I haven't been there to find out for sure. >=20 > -Nate > The fencing looked pretty permanent, sunk into concrete and all... Chris B From natekohlrusch@gmail.com Tue Oct 17 21:21:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: natekohlrusch@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24934 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 04:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2006 04:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.235) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 04:19:34 -0000 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so150289wxd for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.34.9 with SMTP id h9mr5719753agh; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.104.6 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:16:58 -0500 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Originating-IP: 66.249.82.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Nate Kohlrusch" Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] Re: MISC: Dells, 6FGAm, and a new coaster destination? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=252692647; y=y5wVwlxs_7NL9dRDttvKs7o--eL7ttNtZzhNzUGdzELcAALf3DeQuu4 X-Yahoo-Profile: coasterdude318 > > > The path from the main gate is still > > > fenced off and it seems that the new permanent way into the park > > > from the Hades lot will be through Zeus' structure. > The fencing looked pretty permanent, sunk into concrete and all... That could very well be. I didn't get a very good look at it. Or it could have changed since my last visit. As I think I've said before, things just seem to change overnight at Mt. Olympus all year round. Either way, the purpose of the "new" entrance is obviously to force people through the gift shop. It's too bad they couldn't have incorporated a gift shop in to the nice, wide entrance they built two years ago, but it's awfully wide and the hill pretty much takes up all of their building room. -Nate From thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 18 18:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: thunder7nyfl@tampabay.rr.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98377 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 01:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 01:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.5.131) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 01:09:50 -0000 Received: from THUNDER7NYFL (113-132.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.127.132.113]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9IM57qp006284 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c6f301$7d8da6f0$71847f46@THUNDER7NYFL> To: "RollerCoasterTalk" Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:05:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Disposition-Notification-To: "THUNDER7NYFL" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Originating-IP: 65.32.5.131 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "THUNDER7NYFL" Subject: News: The Six Flags Guest Code of Conduct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=227512481; y=tqhCVMMgIepc3YqdtgxtEjJlZXyzHFq599sxgW-vse848GpShbOf X-Yahoo-Profile: thunder7nyfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061018/daw010.html?.v=67 Another link stating the same thing: http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articlehybrid.aspx?storyID=urn:newsml:reuters.com:20061018:MTFH28429_2006-10-18_14-47-31_N18351854&type=comktNews&rpc=44 Joe Tampa, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wchilds@law.wnec.edu Thu Oct 19 06:41:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: wchilds@law.wnec.edu X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25156 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 13:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 13:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO orga.liquidweb.com) (209.59.128.2) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 13:40:44 -0000 Received: from c-71-192-38-95.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.38.95]:2066 helo=[10.0.1.3]) by orga.liquidweb.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GaY6y-0002aj-J0 for RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:39:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1161264859.1197.99947.m20@yahoogroups.com> References: <1161264859.1197.99947.m20@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39ae7eb95364364d71fac85fc8d39fa3@law.wnec.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:39:00 -0400 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ClamAntiVirus-Scanner: This mail is clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orga.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - law.wnec.edu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Originating-IP: 209.59.128.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bill Childs Subject: Re: News: The Six Flags Guest Code of Conduct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204821633; y=N0uxr21W9hn_64zPvsaZzke_46FEtDhv9vn19hRHpQGYcx_jBhHbAw X-Yahoo-Profile: childswilliam > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061018/daw010.html?.v=67 > > Another link stating the same thing: > > http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articlehybrid.aspx?storyID=urn:newsml: > reuters.com:20061018:MTFH28429_2006-10-18_14-47 > -31_N18351854&type=comktNews&rpc=44 > > Well, that will, I'm sure, take care of all of the problems. From jay_ducharme@yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 09:27:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: jay_ducharme@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: rollercoastertalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1833 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 16:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 16:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53110.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.60) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 16:24:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 86579 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2006 16:23:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20061019162303.86577.qmail@web53110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.241.135.70] by web53110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:23:03 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:23:03 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk , Dave Anderson , gazette@wnycc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.49.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Jay Ducharme Subject: NEWS: Flyer Comet falls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=258680536; y=TgBhUvebQedAgsG7qEqSRamB_paQP-wonhTfZ2SlCIlmjBqroG4n X-Yahoo-Profile: jay_ducharme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Boston Globe just ran an article about the demolition of Whalom Park's Flyer Comet, bringing officially to a close the life of that old trolley park. > http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/10/19/coasting_to_a_stop_at_whalom_park/ < Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 10:00:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: rollercoasterpsycho67@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95958 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 16:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 16:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54213.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.46) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 16:59:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 85900 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2006 16:58:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061019165846.85898.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.226.172.29] by web54213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:58:46 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:58:46 -0700 (PDT) To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20061019162303.86577.qmail@web53110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wiley reed jr." Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Flyer Comet falls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=271386421; y=5Uu2zg3aK4juZVwY5qRnoaS_-HFpKYjPsGs2wyYBIAtsYUjtc_pupHyU2y1oenVM X-Yahoo-Profile: rollercoasterpsycho67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading that article and seeing the picture of the demolition reminded me of the day they finally tore down what was left of Idora Park in Youngstown. I didn't know they were tearing it down, but I happened to be in town that day and stopped for a look at the old park. I was in shock when I saw what they were doing. I must have stood there for at least 4 hours just watching in awe and disbilief at what I was seeing. The parks mey be gone, but the memories will always remain. Jay Ducharme wrote: The Boston Globe just ran an article about the demolition of Whalom Park's Flyer Comet, bringing officially to a close the life of that old trolley park. > http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/10/19/coasting_to_a_stop_at_whalom_park/ < Jay --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coasterclown@hotmail.com Thu Oct 19 10:18:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: coasterclown@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23484 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 17:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 17:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.177) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 17:18:45 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n10.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2006 17:18:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2006 17:18:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2006 17:18:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:18:21 -0000 To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39ae7eb95364364d71fac85fc8d39fa3@law.wnec.edu> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.187.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.109.18.10 From: "djbosshogg" Subject: Re: News: The Six Flags Guest Code of Conduct X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96029376; y=yxusAiXQcrxF_Hd4MRPpvPCRfTJN3pqCPCbXq-wcY18s8IWO1A X-Yahoo-Profile: djbosshogg > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061018/daw010.html?.v=3D67 > > > > Another link stating the same thing: > > > > http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articlehybrid.aspx?storyID=3Durn:newsml:= =20 > > reuters.com:20061018:MTFH28429_2006-10-18_14-47=20 > > -31_N18351854&type=3DcomktNews&rpc=3D44 > > > > >=20 > Well, that will, I'm sure, take care of all of the problems. > From Briguy7568@aol.com Thu Oct 19 11:01:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: Briguy7568@aol.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34888 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2006 17:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2006 17:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2006 17:58:02 -0000 Received: from Briguy7568@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id r.c1e.733b78a (42809) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:44:13 EDT To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Briguy7568@aol.com Subject: Re: [RollerCoasterTalk] NEWS: Flyer Comet falls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3522502; y=ksN2XTbNhgsmGDe3Pg9a-1KmcrE_1YYLDPqfwb9ESQGnnXOZQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: briguy7568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Its a crying shame to see all these wonderful small parks being demolished. I wish there was some way to preserve them and keep them going. It seems anymore that the only parks left are the Cedar Fair's, and Six Flags parks. I think this year, we may have lost more parks than any other time in this century. Don't get me wrong, I love Cedar Point and Disney World, but I also love the small family parks, as well. I guess we need to visit them more often if possible. Brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scrunch17@yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 12:24:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: scrunch17@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: RollerCoasterTalk@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16231 invoked from network); 19 Oct